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  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,688
    TimS said:

    A dystopian few pages to catch up on this evening. But not as dystopian as my day.

    The car got crunched by a slow moving lorry turning right out of a garage. Borderline write off / reparable, because repairs these days cost so much and the car is 6 years old.

    But what makes it a right bugger is we’re in France, the insurance doesn’t provide a courtesy car abroad let alone repatriation, so I’m having to leave the old smashed up car at the body shop awaiting an estimate, and in the meantime had to buy a week of last-minute car hire and 3 overpriced easyJet tickets home this Sunday, and then one of us will have to fly back out in a couple of months to pick up the car, if it gets repaired.

    Second time I’ve had a car accident abroad (I’ve never had one in Britain). To be avoided.

    So many PBers with stories of woe tonight! Good luck with all the arrangements, Tim.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,287
    MattW said:

    I think there are several of those, including several involving Usonia, and several slightly further back involving almost every "advanced" country.

    However I have enough complications of my own around here today, involving my inability to be able to take a treatment involving an injection into my eyeball that I have not sufficiently explained yet but which may be as simple as being very flinchy due to a very uncomfortable lack of sleep last night due possibly to an argumentative insulin pump for various reasons that happen occasionally, and a late rescheduling of appointment time.

    So good evening all, genuinely - and sympathy for @TSE .
    Oh lord, that's worrying. Good luck!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    Cookie said:

    Where to? This is common all over the Anglophone world. And I don't speak foreign.
    FWIW, I've been on the wrong end of this in the public sector.
    Eastern Europe it doesn't happen, nor Meloni's italy, nor now Trump's US which is clamping down on it too.

    If underrepresented levels of ethnic minorities at top levels relative to staff and those they serve there may be a case for it in limited form but no more
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    glw said:

    No point asking the US Marshals to enforce a Court order as they are under the DOJ which is full MAGA. Maybe the Supreme Court Police could be used, but this is unlikely as we could see bits of the US government fighting one another. My hunch is the SCOTUS will simply buckle, and that will be the end of the USA as a democracy.
    The Supreme Court is not elected unlike Trump. Democracy does not guarantee enforcing the rule of law and constitution
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,488
    edited April 14
    Reform would sweep through Labour’s Red Wall at election, shock poll reveals as 68% think Britain is broken
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/34466460/reform-labours-red-wall-election-starmer-farage/

    Reform on 30%, Labour 27%, Tory 22%.

    Local Election voting intention, Reform 30%, Labour 20%, Tory 24%.

    Supplementary questions aren't good for Labour, particularly Rachel from accounts.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,170
    edited April 14
    HYUFD said:

    Eastern Europe it doesn't happen, nor Meloni's italy, nor now Trump's US which is clamping down on it too.

    If underrepresented levels of ethnic minorities at top levels relative to staff and those they serve there may be a case for it in limited form but no more
    Was it wrong for the PSNI to prioritise Catholic applicants?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,240
    isam said:

    I'm saying I think that Europeans will end up creating something like that. Does that mean I am promoting it? I don't think so, I'm just saying it's what I think will happen in the next 50-60 years, I'm not about to start trying to set it up myself
    I don't think it will happen at all, and that it is the usual "Great Replacement Theory" claptrap so beloved of those down far right rabbit holes.

    But why mention it and 1960s Rodesia if you do not approve of it? Don't take us for fools.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,240
    HYUFD said:

    The Supreme Court is not elected unlike Trump. Democracy does not guarantee enforcing the rule of law and constitution
    Democracy requires no one to be above the law, otherwise it is democracy in name only.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,317

    I am a human. I feel like England is a nice place to live for humans. You talk of “we”, but my idea of “we” is not based on other people matching my skin tone or my gender, it’s not based on whether someone was born near or far.

    Maybe it, the pleasantness of England, will end, but if it does, it won’t end because immigrants exist and some people’s ancestors worshipped a different sky god. No, it will end because racists and misogynist sociopaths gain power through lies and propaganda, as has happened in the US.
    Strange. I am saying middle class, white men enjoy a certain privilege living in England, and you are applauded for disagreeing
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,838

    I am a human. I feel like England is a nice place to live for humans. You talk of “we”, but my idea of “we” is not based on other people matching my skin tone or my gender, it’s not based on whether someone was born near or far.

    Maybe it, the pleasantness of England, will end, but if it does, it won’t end because immigrants exist and some people’s ancestors worshipped a different sky god. No, it will end because racists and misogynist sociopaths gain power through lies and propaganda, as has happened in the US.
    There's an unstated assumption that the bad guys against whom you need to be on your guard are members of your own in-group, and if only you can prevent them from gaining power, nothing will disturb the march towards utopia. It's dangerously misguided.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,090

    Reform would sweep through Labour’s Red Wall at election, shock poll reveals as 68% think Britain is broken
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/34466460/reform-labours-red-wall-election-starmer-farage/

    Reform on 30%, Labour 27%, Tory 22%.

    Local Election voting intention, Reform 30%, Labour 20%, Tory 24%.

    Supplementary questions aren't good for Labour, particularly Rachel from accounts.

    25% said Reform would be better for the NHS ! Looks like the pandemic of idiocy from across the Atlantic is spreading to the UK .
  • isamisam Posts: 41,317
    Foxy said:

    I don't think it will happen at all, and that it is the usual "Great Replacement Theory" claptrap so beloved of those down far right rabbit holes.

    But why mention it and 1960s Rodesia if you do not approve of it? Don't take us for fools.
    Maybe you are a fool? I’m just saying what I think will happen, I don’t really care what anyone thinks of me for it
  • TresTres Posts: 2,819

    Sentencing has been shown to have a racial bias, with ethnic minorities getting harsher punishments for equivalent crimes.
    Don't you be bringing facts into the discussion, this is about saloon bar prejudice.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,814
    isam said:

    Yes, I feel like England is still a nice place to live for a middle class, white man, and they/I enjoy an amount of privilege that fifty years ago would have been considered perfectly normal. But the country is changing, and soon "we" won't be in charge any more and so I think the comparison with late 60s Rhodesia is apt. The white/Europeans there were basking in the twilight of their gilded lives, knowing in the back of their mind that it was all going to end soon, and that's how I feel about England.
    Really? I'm glad I don't feel like that - politically I've never felt so optimistic.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,659
    Foxy said:

    Democracy requires no one to be above the law, otherwise it is democracy in name only.
    HYUFD thinks Putin's Russia is a democracy.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Foxy said:

    Democracy requires no one to be above the law, otherwise it is democracy in name only.
    Why isn't the law on illegal migration being applied in the UK?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629
    edited April 14
    viewcode said:

    Oh lord, that's worrying. Good luck!
    Worrying, but basically discomfort, and a Doctor who picked up on a patient who was unable to hold sufficiently still for an eye injection even with extra quantities of numbing eye drops as "it happens sometimes" - though not to me previously. The Doc's comment was "don't worry too much, we see it".

    I've had a week off the insulin pump, and going back and recovering control, an uncomfortable, or just moving the appointment time could cause instability. My worst ever period was related to just moving GP, and the change of pattern. It's minor, and personal.

    Relatively, Jenrick and Philp driving slogans into our politics they have picked up from Nick Griffin and Stuart Yaxley-Lennon via Lee Anderson, Nigel Farage, Natcon and the Spectator to weaponise their expressed racism is extremely concerning, and societal, but we have a thicket of checks and balances, and underlying values which are humanitarian, which I think will fight off the trend to mainstream racism *.

    Trump imo is very dangerous, and is yanking innocent brown people of the streets, and vanishing them to concentration camps in El Salvador in the hope that his rhetoric will bury the issue, and the innocent victims will die off in obscurity. The historic underlying culture in the USA is of performative brutality, and the victims can go and f*ck themselves. The USA has done this many times and not look in the mirror; in Europe we have tried to leave it behind because we *have* looked in the mirror.

    Trump is one stride from Third World Dictatorship values which involve arresting Judges, and that is one step from Argentina or Chile in the 1970s, and vanishing people then killing them yourselves or throwing them out of helicopters at 5000 feet.

    People like Anderson, Philp and Jenrick are - I hope - merely varieties of useful idiot.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,240
    edited April 14
    Andy_JS said:

    Why isn't the law on illegal migration being applied in the UK?
    I'm not sure what you mean. It's not illegal to enter the country to seek asylum.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    Foxy said:

    Democracy requires no one to be above the law, otherwise it is democracy in name only.
    No it doesn't, if a party or leader was elected to power with a manifesto commitment to exempt certain groups from some laws that would still be democratic even if contrary to the ruie of law
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629
    We have been talking about controversial individuals.

    Quite an interesting "Great Lives" - evaluating Benny Hill.

    Hero or anti-hero?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0029zdg
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    nico67 said:

    25% said Reform would be better for the NHS ! Looks like the pandemic of idiocy from across the Atlantic is spreading to the UK .
    'Sir Keir’s net rating in the North and Midlands is -26 per cent, based on 27 per cent approving of him and 53 per cent disapproving.

    It compares to Mr Farage on -4 and Tory leader Kemi Badenoch on -8.
    Voters in the Red Wall heartlands are particularly damning of Chancellor Rachel Reeves, who has an approval rating of -35 after last year’s Budget and cuts to winter fuel payments.

    Asked who would make the best PM, Mr Farage pips Sir Keir by 26 to 25 per cent, with Ms Badenoch on 12.

    Mr Farage also leads the PM by 30 per cent to 22 when respondents were asked which party leader best represents the views of working people.

    And today the Reform boss tells The Sun that the Government has abandoned its traditional voters to “pander to the middle classes”.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    nico67 said:

    25% said Reform would be better for the NHS ! Looks like the pandemic of idiocy from across the Atlantic is spreading to the UK .
    Calling voters idiots probably isn't the best strategy.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,384
    HYUFD said:

    No it doesn't, if a party or leader was elected to power with a manifesto commitment to exempt certain groups from some laws that would still be democratic even if contrary to the ruie of law
    So, it would be OK for the majority to strip the minority of the right to ... say ... vote?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,838
    rcs1000 said:

    So, it would be OK for the majority to strip the minority of the right to ... say ... vote?
    There's a practical example that applies to the UK. At the moment Commonwealth citizens have the right to vote in UK elections. I don't think there would be anything sinister about removing that right.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,629
    HYUFD said:

    'Sir Keir’s net rating in the North and Midlands is -26 per cent, based on 27 per cent approving of him and 53 per cent disapproving.

    It compares to Mr Farage on -4 and Tory leader Kemi Badenoch on -8.
    Voters in the Red Wall heartlands are particularly damning of Chancellor Rachel Reeves, who has an approval rating of -35 after last year’s Budget and cuts to winter fuel payments.

    Asked who would make the best PM, Mr Farage pips Sir Keir by 26 to 25 per cent, with Ms Badenoch on 12.

    Mr Farage also leads the PM by 30 per cent to 22 when respondents were asked which party leader best represents the views of working people.

    And today the Reform boss tells The Sun that the Government has abandoned its traditional voters to “pander to the middle classes”.
    That I think may relate partly to investment decisions, and to how they have been publicised.

    The Govt are timid in coming forward with their own achievements.

    I refer back to what Margaret Hodge said when she defeated Nick Griffin in 2010 (without checking). It is delivery and putting forward positive values, rather than working from the back foot.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,384

    There's a practical example that applies to the UK. At the moment Commonwealth citizens have the right to vote in UK elections. I don't think there would be anything sinister about removing that right.
    That wouldn't be removing the rights of British citizens.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    rcs1000 said:

    So, it would be OK for the majority to strip the minority of the right to ... say ... vote?
    It would be democratic if immoral
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,838
    rcs1000 said:

    That wouldn't be removing the rights of British citizens.
    It's the same principle. It would be removing rights from the minority in a way that changed the polity.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,319
    MattW said:

    Once the Clacton Panto has been mentally relocated to the end of the Clacton Pier, it helps a little :smile: .

    The local version in Ashfield is a little more annoying, as it impinges on Planet Normal.

    My photo quota (I think - that is satirical and I do not recognise the action men. The one on the right rings a small bell.):
    It's Leon and Livermore on their alcohol dependent, white nationalist walking holiday.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,319
    isam said:

    I'm saying I think that Europeans will end up creating something like that. Does that mean I am promoting it? I don't think so, I'm just saying it's what I think will happen in the next 50-60 years, I'm not about to start trying to set it up myself
    If only you hadn't been daft enough to vote for brexit, you could have moved to this new Galt's Gulch in the Polish hinterlands once they get it going.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,384

    It's the same principle. It would be removing rights from the minority in a way that changed the polity.
    I'm not sure that's true.

    It's not unusual to change the rights of non-citizens in the UK. It happens all the time, such as when visa types are changed or whatever. I realize you may disagree, and that is your right, but it seems a very situation to (for example) the government stripping the right to vote from all redheads.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited April 14
    Nigelb said:

    Harvard University President Alan Garber has rejected the Trump Admin's demand to prohibit protests and cut DEI programs to receive funding: "[Harvard] will not negotiate over its independence or constitutional rights."
    https://x.com/DisavowTrump20/status/1911850688000254311

    So they're going to continue with the failed ideas of DEI.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,838
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm not sure that's true.

    It's not unusual to change the rights of non-citizens in the UK. It happens all the time, such as when visa types are changed or whatever. I realize you may disagree, and that is your right, but it seems a very situation to (for example) the government stripping the right to vote from all redheads.
    It's not unusual to change the rights of anyone in the UK, whether citizen or not, but the fact is that at the moment the right to vote is not directly tied to UK citizenship, and narrowing the definition of who gets to vote is precisely the question we're talking about.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    "Donald Trump says the US could deport 'homegrown criminals' to El Salvador jail

    The Trump administration has sent hundreds of alleged Venezuelan gang members to a notorious facility in El Salvador, since March, but the president has now suggested that "homegrown criminals" could also be sent there."

    https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-says-the-us-could-deport-homegrown-criminals-to-el-salvador-jail-13348980
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,384

    It's not unusual to change the rights of anyone in the UK, whether citizen or not, but the fact is that at the moment the right to vote is not directly tied to UK citizenship, and narrowing the definition of who gets to vote is precisely the question we're talking about.
    Look: if the question is should Commonwealth citizens resident in the UK have the right to vote in national elections? then the answer is no.

    But I was specifically responding to @HYUFD's comment, which was

    if a party or leader was elected to power with a manifesto commitment to exempt certain groups from some laws that would still be democratic even if contrary to the ruie of law

    Which has nothing to do with immigrants.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,488
    edited April 15
    Andy_JS said:

    "Donald Trump says the US could deport 'homegrown criminals' to El Salvador jail

    The Trump administration has sent hundreds of alleged Venezuelan gang members to a notorious facility in El Salvador, since March, but the president has now suggested that "homegrown criminals" could also be sent there."

    https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-says-the-us-could-deport-homegrown-criminals-to-el-salvador-jail-13348980

    That one definitely won't fly with the supreme court. The Republican constitution absolutists on the court will see anybody born in the US regardless of status as American.

    I thought this was an interesting chart,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_and_removal_from_the_United_States#/media/File:1892-_Immigration_Enforcement_Actions_-_Department_of_Homeland_Security.svg

    Bush, Clinton, Obama, all at some point went big on deporting foreign criminals, doing far more numbers than Trump is currently managing.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited April 15
    Kaufmann is right as usual.

    "If ‘Woke’ Puritanism Is the Disease, Trump’s Amoral Populism Isn’t the Cure
    Valid critiques of progressive moralism have devolved into an embrace of anything-goes strongman rule.
    Eric Kaufmann"

    https://quillette.com/2025/04/11/if-woke-puritanism-is-the-disease-trumps-amoral-populism-isnt-the-cure-2/

    Quote

    "While Trump has commendably crippled the use of aggressive DEI policies in government and academia, he’s failed to persuade moderates to back his campaign—in part because his administration hasn’t developed a compelling moral narrative that serves to address the resulting pushback. The need to build broad constituencies to support one’s policies, a central focus of most politicians in free societies, is seen as irrelevant to those, such as Trump, whose only goal is to keep tossing red meat to core supporters.
    This behaviour isn’t just amoral and anti-democratic. It’s juvenile. Trump and Musk have become America’s trolls-in-chief—as exemplified by the White House’s posting of an AI-generated cartoon depicting an immigrant crying in handcuffs. This type of “shitposting” is the furthest thing from presidential."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,287
    Andy_JS said:

    So they're going to continue with the failed ideas of DEI.
    Trump hasn't attempted to persuade Harvard of the necessity of doing so, he's attempting to make them do so thru the power of the purse. If somebody told you to not do a legal thing and they'd put a lien on your salary to prevent you, what would you do?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    edited April 15

    I don't post as often as I used to (among other things getting married again on Wednesday, hooray), but I think the current system still works well. There are one or two posters who I tend to skim past (maybe they skim me too), but that's no more of a problem than the newsstand having papers that I don't usually read. PB still works well IMO, giving a flow of news and opinion from people with a common interest in how we're governed.
    Congratulations for Wednesday Nick! ❤
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    A lot of the most interesting posters from 10 years ago aren't on here now, but there are probably a wide variety of reasons for that.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,384
    viewcode said:

    Trump hasn't attempted to persuade Harvard of the necessity of doing so, he's attempting to make them do so thru the power of the purse. If somebody told you to not do a legal thing and they'd put a lien on your salary to prevent you, what would you do?
    Indeed
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,384
    There's a good Nate Silver piece on tariffs and the four factions of Trump 2.0:

    https://www.natesilver.net/p/the-4-factions-of-trump-20?r=2a9ngu&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    Nigelb said:

    Trump channeling Leon again.

    “I took a cognitive test and I got the highest score, and one of the doctors said, ‘Sir, I’ve never seen anyone get that score — that was the highest score.’” — Trump
    https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1911822076132134936

    Does Leon dictate his medical "records" too?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,171

    Just a dozen days to my next big walk

    I'll be in Biarritz a week Saturday eating fresh anchovies

    I'm starting to get quite excited

    On pizza?

    Anchovies, anchovies, you're so delicious...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPSbH3x1Ox8
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,171
    Today's Express:-

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,240

    That one definitely won't fly with the supreme court. The Republican constitution absolutists on the court will see anybody born in the US regardless of status as American.

    I thought this was an interesting chart,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_and_removal_from_the_United_States#/media/File:1892-_Immigration_Enforcement_Actions_-_Department_of_Homeland_Security.svg

    Bush, Clinton, Obama, all at some point went big on deporting foreign criminals, doing far more numbers than Trump is currently managing.
    90% of those deported to El Salvador had no criminal record. None had due process.

    So why do you use the Trumpian language that they were "foreign criminals"?

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,240
    Andy_JS said:

    So they're going to continue with the failed ideas of DEI.
    Isn't Harvard one of the world's leading Universities? So why describe its DEI policies as failed?
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 99
    Foxy said:

    90% of those deported to El Salvador had no criminal record. None had due process.

    So why do you use the Trumpian language that they were "foreign criminals"?

    Presumably because they entered the country illegally.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,240
    scampi25 said:

    Presumably because they entered the country illegally.
    Without due process how do you know?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    Andy_JS said:

    "Donald Trump says the US could deport 'homegrown criminals' to El Salvador jail

    The Trump administration has sent hundreds of alleged Venezuelan gang members to a notorious facility in El Salvador, since March, but the president has now suggested that "homegrown criminals" could also be sent there."

    https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-says-the-us-could-deport-homegrown-criminals-to-el-salvador-jail-13348980

    I thought he wanted to spend his retirement in Florida?

    Maybe he hears good things about the climate in El Salvador?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,764

    Was Liz Truss always this mad and hid it to climb the greasy poll or was it encounter with the "deep state"* that caused it?

    * she never shuts up about it these days and appears to be basically include everything.

    Trump is the best argument against the existence of the deep state. Discuss.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,240
    edited April 15
    I see as suspect has been arrested for setting fire to Governor Shapiros official residence with a molotov cocktail while the Governor and his family were sleeping on the first night of Passover

    Cody Balmer has a long history of misogynistic, pro-gun, anti-semitic and anti-Biden Social Media posts and was out on bail at the time.

    Just another ordinary day in Trumpistan.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,154

    Trump is the best argument against the existence of the deep state. Discuss.
    Agreed, if the movies were right, a shady cabal from the Military/Industrial complex would have engineered his end by now for damaging their arms sales and military influence around the world.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,764

    Weird case. I’d like to know who the man in his forties who reported the iPads as stolen is. And why he did that. Did the girls claim that they had been stolen? Hence the police action?
    Her ex, the girls’ father.

    The comments from the neighbours about her are not positive

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,716
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm not sure that's true.

    It's not unusual to change the rights of non-citizens in the UK. It happens all the time, such as when visa types are changed or whatever. I realize you may disagree, and that is your right, but it seems a very situation to (for example) the government stripping the right to vote from all redheads.
    I'm not sure William and HYUFD discriminate between democracy, and liberal democracy.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy

    Democracy just means the rule of the people, as opposed to the elite.
    Both ancient and modern era democracy were quite happy to tolerate (for example) mass slavery, and severely limit those who could vote. There are those in the right who woukd remive women's suffrage.

    Their definition has so narrow in terms of constraints on arbitrary power, that it's close to meaningless.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,716
    .

    Does Leon dictate his medical "records" too?
    He boasts of his mental capacity in a similarly foolish manner.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,360
    If I may grumble, for a moment:

    One of my pet hates is web forms that do not send you a response. They are everywhere, including in government.

    A couple of weeks ago, I applied for a non-government service (*) through a web form. I put my details in, including a long comment about the service I required. I gave my email address and all other info. I heard nothing back, and when I contacted them yesterday, they said that they had not received the request.

    So I've no idea if they are lying, made a mistake, or the web form got sent to /dev/null.

    In ye olden days, a fair few websites used to send your submission back to your email address, or at the very least just send an email saying something along the lines of "Thanks for your submission." This meant you at least knew it had been received. Nowadays, including from government services, you often get nothing.

    (*) A bike fitting, before dirty minds get started... ;)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,764
    Andy_JS said:

    So they're going to continue with the failed ideas of DEI.
    That doesn’t matter

    They are fighting for their independence from the government
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,011

    If I may grumble, for a moment:

    One of my pet hates is web forms that do not send you a response. They are everywhere, including in government.

    A couple of weeks ago, I applied for a non-government service (*) through a web form. I put my details in, including a long comment about the service I required. I gave my email address and all other info. I heard nothing back, and when I contacted them yesterday, they said that they had not received the request.

    So I've no idea if they are lying, made a mistake, or the web form got sent to /dev/null.

    In ye olden days, a fair few websites used to send your submission back to your email address, or at the very least just send an email saying something along the lines of "Thanks for your submission." This meant you at least knew it had been received. Nowadays, including from government services, you often get nothing.

    (*) A bike fitting, before dirty minds get started... ;)

    All computer programs are written by the writer with little thought for the user. Was it ever thus?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,716
    .

    That doesn’t matter

    They are fighting for their independence from the government
    In Trump's America, the 'marketplace of ideas' means only the opinions of the highest bidder count.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,171

    If I may grumble, for a moment:

    One of my pet hates is web forms that do not send you a response. They are everywhere, including in government.

    A couple of weeks ago, I applied for a non-government service (*) through a web form. I put my details in, including a long comment about the service I required. I gave my email address and all other info. I heard nothing back, and when I contacted them yesterday, they said that they had not received the request.

    So I've no idea if they are lying, made a mistake, or the web form got sent to /dev/null.

    In ye olden days, a fair few websites used to send your submission back to your email address, or at the very least just send an email saying something along the lines of "Thanks for your submission." This meant you at least knew it had been received. Nowadays, including from government services, you often get nothing.

    (*) A bike fitting, before dirty minds get started... ;)

    You are probably right but check your spam folder, just in case. Almost-empty acknowledgement emails can be false positives. Mine right now has one such.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,360

    All computer programs are written by the writer with little thought for the user. Was it ever thus?
    In the case of a small company, blaming the programmer might be reasonable. But IME it also happens with services on governmental/official websites, where there would have been a team of people involved.

    As another example: I submitted a response to the new EWR scheme, as they were very keen for locals to do. I submitted it through their web page. There was zero response to the submission (*), and if I had not already saved a copy of my long submission, I would have lost it.

    (*) And yes, I checked junk email and other folders.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,360

    You are probably right but check your spam folder, just in case. Almost-empty acknowledgement emails can be false positives. Mine right now has one such.
    That's something I routinely do. Although as that particular email address is attached to a website, I get *lots* of junk email...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,478
    Probably going to go and make a doctor's appointment today. Mildly amused when checking the list on the NHS website that one of the reasons to call 999 is if you can't breathe.

    Ahem. Unlikely I'd be giving a great description of my symptoms if that's the case...
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,509
    HYUFD said:

    It would be democratic if immoral
    So let's take this to its logical absurd conclusion. How about an elected government which was elected with a manifesto to remove the vote of everyone. Does that mean the subsequent dictatorship is democratic?

    Seems like an oxymoron to me.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    kjh said:

    So let's take this to its logical absurd conclusion. How about an elected government which was elected with a manifesto to remove the vote of everyone. Does that mean the subsequent dictatorship is democratic?

    Seems like an oxymoron to me.
    Alexis de Tocqueville (and John Stuart Mill for that matter) were there before you:

    https://www.rug.nl/ucg/education/webinar/images-pdf/detoqueville-tyranny-of-the-majority.pdf

    It is interesting to reflect that Tocqueville was perturbed about the US for precisely the reasons we are seeing now:

    In my opinion, the main evil of the present democratic institutions of the United States does not arise, as is often asserted in Europe, from their weakness, but from their irresistible strength. I am not so much alarmed at the excessive liberty which reigns in that country as at the inadequate securities which one finds there against tyranny. When an individual or a party is wronged in the United States, to whom can he apply for redress? If to public opinion, public opinion constitutes the majority; if to the legislature, it represents the majority and implicitly obeys it; if to the executive power, it is appointed by the majority and serves as a passive tool in its hands. The public force consists of the majority under arms; the jury is the majority invested with the right of hearing judicial cases; and in certain states even the judges are elected by the majority. However iniquitous or absurd the measure of which you complain, you must submit to it as well as you can.

    I do not say that there is a frequent use of tyranny in America at the present day; but I maintain that there is no sure barrier against it, and that the causes which mitigate the government there are to be found in the circumstances and the manners of the country more than in its laws.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,360

    Probably going to go and make a doctor's appointment today. Mildly amused when checking the list on the NHS website that one of the reasons to call 999 is if you can't breathe.

    Ahem. Unlikely I'd be giving a great description of my symptoms if that's the case...

    IMV it's good advice. Dialling 999 will put you in touch with an operator, and they're fairly experienced and well-trained to detect when someone is genuinely in trouble or when there's a hoax. Even if you cannot breathe, they might tell from rasping or other sounds that you're in trouble. If you're on a landline, they know the address. If on a mobile, dialling 999 should automatically turn on your GPS and send your approximate location AIUI.

    (There's also the 55 feature, for silent calls to the police.)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    edited April 15
    kjh said:

    So let's take this to its logical absurd conclusion. How about an elected government which was elected with a manifesto to remove the vote of everyone. Does that mean the subsequent dictatorship is democratic?

    Seems like an oxymoron to me.
    You could argue it was the will of the people.

    But if only 60% voted and they gave the governing party a massive majority on only 33% of the votes cast, then yes, that does look rather like the tyranny of democracy enabling dictatorship.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,784
    Foxy said:

    Isn't Harvard one of the world's leading Universities? So why describe its DEI policies as failed?
    Harvard is a very rich organisation with something like $50bn of funds. It also has some of the cleverest people on the planet according to itself. Why does it need government funding?
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 913
    Foxy said:

    Without due process how do you know?
    First word of the post, of course! Presume. Who does the presuming, and who 'benefits' from the presumption are also questions with easy answers. For the first, it's 'people like me' and the second is 'people not like me.'

    What happens when one suddenly finds themselves in the out group is similarly obvious, but some people don't seem to think that could ever happen. If only someone, a German pastor perhaps, had written a poem about that exact situation.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    edited April 15

    Harvard is a very rich organisation with something like $50bn of funds. It also has some of the cleverest people on the planet according to itself. Why does it need government funding?
    They are nearly rich enough to get a post in Trump's Administration...

    But probably too clever.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,664

    NEW THREAD

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536

    Harvard is a very rich organisation with something like $50bn of funds. It also has some of the cleverest people on the planet according to itself. Why does it need government funding?
    I suspect that is the whole reason why they have told Donald Trump to shove it. They can afford to.

    Regardless of the merits or demerits of this as a policy, or the issues behind it, they are right to do so. Universities should be beholden to nobody but their own senate.

    Interestingly, it has been known to happen in this country as well. When Leighton Andrews went off on one and ordered all unis in Wales to merge on his terms because he wanted more central control, with one exception (Newport) they simply ignored him.
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