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  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,716

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    I don't think most on the right disagree with that in the least at least in the uk. I am fairly right wing compared to most others here though not what I would describe as far right. I subscribe to all of those statements
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,544

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I think the use of calculators etc is just ingrained now. I was doing an interview the other day and the candidate used a calculator for 20 x 10. Really.
    Could have been worse, they could have ChatGPT'd it?
    I think I’d prefer that.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,378
    Bogota said:

    Hes going to ban vaccines isnt he.

    RFK Jr: "By September we will know what has caused the autism epidemic and we will be able to eliminate those exposures."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1910385387614146987

    Americans may need to have vaccination certificates in order to travel. We should not let this mindless idiocy become a threat to our own public health.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,075

    Why is there a row about Adolescence?

    Because the stabby perp wasn't black - 'and they all are aren't they?'

    Because the Prime Minister has dictated that it should be shown in schools

    It's now propaganda
    Big scary Netflix propaganda oooooo
    You're doing a super job of showing you don't care about this issue.
    Thanks
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,284

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I wouldn't get out of primary school now on that metric due to failing maths.

    And I have a maths degree.

    Very worrying.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,241

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    Propaganda means things to be spread

    The PM said it should be shown in schools

    When I went to a British Library exhibition about propaganda, there was a whole section dedicated to tuberculosis propaganda

    Do you know your own language?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,757
    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    Here's the problem. Women have to be careful. Consider where they are going. What they are wearing. Who knows where they are. Girls are having to be raised to manage the threat against them.

    The threat isn't from Trans which can be solved by bathroom rules - as Badenoch says. The threat is from men and from boys who have had masculinity perverted and weaponised.

    I get the pushback. Men don't want to accept that we are the problem. But we are/. At which point do we man up and do something about it? We've successfully addressed issues about mental health. How about we address issues about treating women like property that we have rights over? Bloody incel - as if men have *any* rights for sex with anyone who doesn't want to.

    But yeah, the PM addressing the issue is the problem. Not the endless numbers of women murdered and raped and assaulted and afraid.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,169
    Scott_xP said:

    Rubio wanted to deport this guy for thought crime

    https://bsky.app/profile/jaredlholt.bsky.social/post/3lmi7zhwch225

    To be fair if the Americans started to use thought it would change the world very radically.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,219
    Cicero said:

    Bogota said:

    Hes going to ban vaccines isnt he.

    RFK Jr: "By September we will know what has caused the autism epidemic and we will be able to eliminate those exposures."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1910385387614146987

    Americans may need to have vaccination certificates in order to travel. We should not let this mindless idiocy become a threat to our own public health.
    If only there were a vaccination for mindless idiocy.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,757

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    Propaganda means things to be spread

    The PM said it should be shown in schools

    When I went to a British Library exhibition about propaganda, there was a whole section dedicated to tuberculosis propaganda

    Do you know your own language?
    Is Maths propaganda?
    History?
    Biology?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,716

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    I have few issues with TV drama being used as a jumping off point for education. There was a huge fuss some years back about watching Blackadder Goes Forth in a lesson on the Great War. IIRC it was just that - a start point to develop further. Of course certain types of media liked to suggest that it was simply watching the programme…
    I have no problem if schools want to use it....I do have a problem if its dictated schools have to use it. The former is they can fit it into their curriculum and helps them with mysogyny...a good thing...the latter is they have to show it anyway without a teaching context alongside it
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    J.D Vance calls the Chinese peasants, but looks at this!

    https://x.com/Suzierizzo1/status/1910379432251949472
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,169

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    Here's the problem. Women have to be careful. Consider where they are going. What they are wearing. Who knows where they are. Girls are having to be raised to manage the threat against them.

    The threat isn't from Trans which can be solved by bathroom rules - as Badenoch says. The threat is from men and from boys who have had masculinity perverted and weaponised.

    I get the pushback. Men don't want to accept that we are the problem. But we are/. At which point do we man up and do something about it? We've successfully addressed issues about mental health. How about we address issues about treating women like property that we have rights over? Bloody incel - as if men have *any* rights for sex with anyone who doesn't want to.

    But yeah, the PM addressing the issue is the problem. Not the endless numbers of women murdered and raped and assaulted and afraid.
    Men are the problem, but we also need more help, and for society to re-adapt to fit in social media with far less of the toxic shit.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,801

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    Propaganda means things to be spread

    The PM said it should be shown in schools

    When I went to a British Library exhibition about propaganda, there was a whole section dedicated to tuberculosis propaganda

    Do you know your own language?
    Didn’t know he was Italian?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,075
    edited April 10

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    Here's the problem. Women have to be careful. Consider where they are going. What they are wearing. Who knows where they are. Girls are having to be raised to manage the threat against them.

    The threat isn't from Trans which can be solved by bathroom rules - as Badenoch says. The threat is from men and from boys who have had masculinity perverted and weaponised.

    I get the pushback. Men don't want to accept that we are the problem. But we are/. At which point do we man up and do something about it? We've successfully addressed issues about mental health. How about we address issues about treating women like property that we have rights over? Bloody incel - as if men have *any* rights for sex with anyone who doesn't want to.

    But yeah, the PM addressing the issue is the problem. Not the endless numbers of women murdered and raped and assaulted and afraid.
    Yes. We need to ensure kids understand that true masculinity is not being a massive fanny when asked to confront your own issues and the impact of your own behaviour on others.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,148

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I think the use of calculators etc is just ingrained now. I was doing an interview the other day and the candidate used a calculator for 20 x 10. Really.
    If you can't do basic arithmetic then you can't work out when you've made a key entry error in your calculator for a more complicated calculation. And that's when things get dangerous, because it ends with the wrong dosage being given by orders of magnitude, or a building that can't support its own weight.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,544
    Bogota said:

    J.D Vance calls the Chinese peasants, but looks at this!

    https://x.com/Suzierizzo1/status/1910379432251949472

    Big deal. The Auckland Uni gym had a palm print entry way back in 1998.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,241

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    Propaganda means things to be spread

    The PM said it should be shown in schools

    When I went to a British Library exhibition about propaganda, there was a whole section dedicated to tuberculosis propaganda

    Do you know your own language?
    Is Maths propaganda?
    History?
    Biology?
    I know that you can tell the difference
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,026
    ydoethur said:

    Cicero said:

    Bogota said:

    Hes going to ban vaccines isnt he.

    RFK Jr: "By September we will know what has caused the autism epidemic and we will be able to eliminate those exposures."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1910385387614146987

    Americans may need to have vaccination certificates in order to travel. We should not let this mindless idiocy become a threat to our own public health.
    If only there were a vaccination for mindless idiocy.
    We would run out very quickly. There's a lot of it about.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,213

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    Here's the problem. Women have to be careful. Consider where they are going. What they are wearing. Who knows where they are. Girls are having to be raised to manage the threat against them.

    The threat isn't from Trans which can be solved by bathroom rules - as Badenoch says. The threat is from men and from boys who have had masculinity perverted and weaponised.

    I get the pushback. Men don't want to accept that we are the problem. But we are/. At which point do we man up and do something about it? We've successfully addressed issues about mental health. How about we address issues about treating women like property that we have rights over? Bloody incel - as if men have *any* rights for sex with anyone who doesn't want to.

    But yeah, the PM addressing the issue is the problem. Not the endless numbers of women murdered and raped and assaulted and afraid.
    Whilst I agree with that, I'd also add that boys (and men...) are also under threat from this sort of behaviour by other boys and men. The victims are not just women and girls. And also, the toxic environment online can affect girls as well.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,148

    Scott_xP said:

    Two more planes on the ground just ran into each other, and a helicopter fell into the Hudson river

    What is going on with American aircraft recently? Has Elon sacked or deported the staff who clean their windows?
    People making mistakes with their calculators, perhaps?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,284
    ydoethur said:

    Cicero said:

    Bogota said:

    Hes going to ban vaccines isnt he.

    RFK Jr: "By September we will know what has caused the autism epidemic and we will be able to eliminate those exposures."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1910385387614146987

    Americans may need to have vaccination certificates in order to travel. We should not let this mindless idiocy become a threat to our own public health.
    If only there were a vaccination for mindless idiocy.
    Unfortunately, not many would be cured.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,757
    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    I don't think most on the right disagree with that in the least at least in the uk. I am fairly right wing compared to most others here though not what I would describe as far right. I subscribe to all of those statements
    Good. For the record, as sensational a production Adolescence is, I don't think *anyone* is suggesting that it be shown in schools in its entirety.

    I remember lots of TV being shown in school. Short sections of things. Used to illustrate an issue. With discussion and work following.

    There is very clearly something in the program which can be useful in combatting the toxic masculinity "uppity bitchez are the problem brothers" narrative which has flourished.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,075

    Scott_xP said:

    Two more planes on the ground just ran into each other, and a helicopter fell into the Hudson river

    What is going on with American aircraft recently? Has Elon sacked or deported the staff who clean their windows?
    People making mistakes with their calculators, perhaps?
    I heard that Keir has been forcing them to watch Adolescent
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,366
    Pulpstar said:

    Political Polls
    @PpollingNumbers
    New - Trump approval poll

    🟢 Approve 48%
    🔴 Disapprove 46%

    Morning Consult #C - A - 4/7

    They had a female pollster on the 5PM News who said trumps numbers were going down very fast. I can't get it easily but here is a different finding from yesterday

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trumps-approval-rating-keeps-getting-worse.html
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,219
    edited April 10
    Bogota said:

    J.D Vance calls the Chinese peasants, but looks at this!

    https://x.com/Suzierizzo1/status/1910379432251949472

    I was mildly surprised to find the link wasn't an erotic display of couches.

    Hand jobs, all from China.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,148

    Glad to see that Tories are standing up for the Real Issues such as Adolescence.

    Meanwhile, in the actual real world, you have to ask how the US-China war de-escalates.

    China is now in a position to destroy America. Trade has effectively stopped - and American consumers want and need the stuff sat in those shipping containers that are on stop. China? Increase trade with notAmerica by only 6% and it need not ship anything to China.

    Worse for America - China owns an awful lot of American debt. Even if it only stops buying it, that's really bad for America. The chaos in the bond market yesterday saw the handbrake pulled.

    Imagine if China starts dumping its positions...

    I thought that the Chinese had already been reducing their exposure to US treasuries over the last several years?

    A combination of not wanting their investment devalued by QE, and not wanting to lose the lot when they invade Taiwan.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,757

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    Propaganda means things to be spread

    The PM said it should be shown in schools

    When I went to a British Library exhibition about propaganda, there was a whole section dedicated to tuberculosis propaganda

    Do you know your own language?
    Is Maths propaganda?
    History?
    Biology?
    I know that you can tell the difference
    I can. Apparently you cannot.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,026

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    Here's the problem. Women have to be careful. Consider where they are going. What they are wearing. Who knows where they are. Girls are having to be raised to manage the threat against them.

    The threat isn't from Trans which can be solved by bathroom rules - as Badenoch says. The threat is from men and from boys who have had masculinity perverted and weaponised.

    I get the pushback. Men don't want to accept that we are the problem. But we are/. At which point do we man up and do something about it? We've successfully addressed issues about mental health. How about we address issues about treating women like property that we have rights over? Bloody incel - as if men have *any* rights for sex with anyone who doesn't want to.

    But yeah, the PM addressing the issue is the problem. Not the endless numbers of women murdered and raped and assaulted and afraid.
    Whilst I agree with that, I'd also add that boys (and men...) are also under threat from this sort of behaviour by other boys and men. The victims are not just women and girls. And also, the toxic environment online can affect girls as well.
    I agree. Toxic masculinity is not just a treat to women, it is a threat to and prison for men as well.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,241
    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    Propaganda means things to be spread

    The PM said it should be shown in schools

    When I went to a British Library exhibition about propaganda, there was a whole section dedicated to tuberculosis propaganda

    Do you know your own language?
    Didn’t know he was Italian?
    I think that some latin gerundives have been English longer than us
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,075

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    I don't think most on the right disagree with that in the least at least in the uk. I am fairly right wing compared to most others here though not what I would describe as far right. I subscribe to all of those statements
    Good. For the record, as sensational a production Adolescence is, I don't think *anyone* is suggesting that it be shown in schools in its entirety.

    I remember lots of TV being shown in school. Short sections of things. Used to illustrate an issue. With discussion and work following.

    There is very clearly something in the program which can be useful in combatting the toxic masculinity "uppity bitchez are the problem brothers" narrative which has flourished.
    I remember watching the first 15 minutes of Gladiator to learn about Roman military tactics or some rubbish
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,066

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    Here's the problem. Women have to be careful. Consider where they are going. What they are wearing. Who knows where they are. Girls are having to be raised to manage the threat against them.

    The threat isn't from Trans which can be solved by bathroom rules - as Badenoch says. The threat is from men and from boys who have had masculinity perverted and weaponised.

    I get the pushback. Men don't want to accept that we are the problem. But we are/. At which point do we man up and do something about it? We've successfully addressed issues about mental health. How about we address issues about treating women like property that we have rights over? Bloody incel - as if men have *any* rights for sex with anyone who doesn't want to.

    But yeah, the PM addressing the issue is the problem. Not the endless numbers of women murdered and raped and assaulted and afraid.
    But Kemi says the issue of concern isn't toxic masculinity but Islamic terrorism.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,026

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    Here's the problem. Women have to be careful. Consider where they are going. What they are wearing. Who knows where they are. Girls are having to be raised to manage the threat against them.

    The threat isn't from Trans which can be solved by bathroom rules - as Badenoch says. The threat is from men and from boys who have had masculinity perverted and weaponised.

    I get the pushback. Men don't want to accept that we are the problem. But we are/. At which point do we man up and do something about it? We've successfully addressed issues about mental health. How about we address issues about treating women like property that we have rights over? Bloody incel - as if men have *any* rights for sex with anyone who doesn't want to.

    But yeah, the PM addressing the issue is the problem. Not the endless numbers of women murdered and raped and assaulted and afraid.
    But Kemi says the issue of concern isn't toxic masculinity but Islamic terrorism.
    Can we not be concerned with both?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,075
    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    Here's the problem. Women have to be careful. Consider where they are going. What they are wearing. Who knows where they are. Girls are having to be raised to manage the threat against them.

    The threat isn't from Trans which can be solved by bathroom rules - as Badenoch says. The threat is from men and from boys who have had masculinity perverted and weaponised.

    I get the pushback. Men don't want to accept that we are the problem. But we are/. At which point do we man up and do something about it? We've successfully addressed issues about mental health. How about we address issues about treating women like property that we have rights over? Bloody incel - as if men have *any* rights for sex with anyone who doesn't want to.

    But yeah, the PM addressing the issue is the problem. Not the endless numbers of women murdered and raped and assaulted and afraid.
    But Kemi says the issue of concern isn't toxic masculinity but Islamic terrorism.
    Can we not be concerned with both?
    I think there’s a hell of a lot of toxic masculinity in islamism
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,544

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    I don't think most on the right disagree with that in the least at least in the uk. I am fairly right wing compared to most others here though not what I would describe as far right. I subscribe to all of those statements
    Good. For the record, as sensational a production Adolescence is, I don't think *anyone* is suggesting that it be shown in schools in its entirety.

    I remember lots of TV being shown in school. Short sections of things. Used to illustrate an issue. With discussion and work following.

    There is very clearly something in the program which can be useful in combatting the toxic masculinity "uppity bitchez are the problem brothers" narrative which has flourished.
    I remember watching the first 15 minutes of Gladiator to learn about Roman military tactics or some rubbish
    First fifteen of Saving Private Ryan to learn you should never take your helmet off under fire, even if you think it has just saved your life…
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,241

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    Propaganda means things to be spread

    The PM said it should be shown in schools

    When I went to a British Library exhibition about propaganda, there was a whole section dedicated to tuberculosis propaganda

    Do you know your own language?
    Is Maths propaganda?
    History?
    Biology?
    I know that you can tell the difference
    I can. Apparently you cannot.
    I can tell the difference between fictional Netflix dramas and maths

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,066

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    That's Kemi's argument. Islamic terrorism trumps Toxic masculinity.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,544

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    Propaganda means things to be spread

    The PM said it should be shown in schools

    When I went to a British Library exhibition about propaganda, there was a whole section dedicated to tuberculosis propaganda

    Do you know your own language?
    Is Maths propaganda?
    History?
    Biology?
    I know that you can tell the difference
    I can. Apparently you cannot.
    I can tell the difference between fictional Netflix dramas and maths

    Fictional Netflix maths? Is that there subscriber numbers vs the number of people actually watching?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,075

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    That's Kemi's argument. Islamic terrorism trumps Toxic masculinity.
    To be honest I don’t really care what Kemi watches on tv either
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,716

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    Here's the problem. Women have to be careful. Consider where they are going. What they are wearing. Who knows where they are. Girls are having to be raised to manage the threat against them.

    The threat isn't from Trans which can be solved by bathroom rules - as Badenoch says. The threat is from men and from boys who have had masculinity perverted and weaponised.

    I get the pushback. Men don't want to accept that we are the problem. But we are/. At which point do we man up and do something about it? We've successfully addressed issues about mental health. How about we address issues about treating women like property that we have rights over? Bloody incel - as if men have *any* rights for sex with anyone who doesn't want to.

    But yeah, the PM addressing the issue is the problem. Not the endless numbers of women murdered and raped and assaulted and afraid.
    I never claimed men aren't the problem, however it is a limited number of men. I think most men would agree with what you say. I made a point to say I would as well. I think the problem comes from teaching all women that all men are there enemies when its like maybe 10 to 20% of us are. Is that a problem hell yes and needs to be addressed but the majority of men are really not a danger to women in my view
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,193
    ..

    Why is there a row about Adolescence?

    Because the stabby perp wasn't black - 'and they all are aren't they?'

    That’s kinda what Joey Barton thinks.
    Strange because his white brother was convicted of the racist murder of a black lad.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,450
    edited April 10
    Ratters said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I wouldn't get out of primary school now on that metric due to failing maths.

    And I have a maths degree.

    Very worrying.
    Ditto. I have a maths degree also and have never learnt my times tables. People confuse a memory test with actual maths. Learning your times table is not maths. Trouble is learning your times table does not equip you with anything outside of that boundary. Learning maths properly equips you to deal with problems you haven't encountered before.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,066
    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    Here's the problem. Women have to be careful. Consider where they are going. What they are wearing. Who knows where they are. Girls are having to be raised to manage the threat against them.

    The threat isn't from Trans which can be solved by bathroom rules - as Badenoch says. The threat is from men and from boys who have had masculinity perverted and weaponised.

    I get the pushback. Men don't want to accept that we are the problem. But we are/. At which point do we man up and do something about it? We've successfully addressed issues about mental health. How about we address issues about treating women like property that we have rights over? Bloody incel - as if men have *any* rights for sex with anyone who doesn't want to.

    But yeah, the PM addressing the issue is the problem. Not the endless numbers of women murdered and raped and assaulted and afraid.
    But Kemi says the issue of concern isn't toxic masculinity but Islamic terrorism.
    Can we not be concerned with both?
    Apparently not.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,148

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    Propaganda means things to be spread

    The PM said it should be shown in schools

    When I went to a British Library exhibition about propaganda, there was a whole section dedicated to tuberculosis propaganda

    Do you know your own language?
    Are you saying that the National Curriculum is propaganda?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,198
    edited April 10

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    I don't think most on the right disagree with that in the least at least in the uk. I am fairly right wing compared to most others here though not what I would describe as far right. I subscribe to all of those statements
    Good. For the record, as sensational a production Adolescence is, I don't think *anyone* is suggesting that it be shown in schools in its entirety.

    I remember lots of TV being shown in school. Short sections of things. Used to illustrate an issue. With discussion and work following.

    There is very clearly something in the program which can be useful in combatting the toxic masculinity "uppity bitchez are the problem brothers" narrative which has flourished.
    "I don't think *anyone* is suggesting that it be shown in schools in its entirety."

    Maybe I am wrong, but isn't that exactly what Starmer is suggesting? Otherwise no one would be talking about this in a political sense

    "The prime minister told them the show was "at times harrowing" but had "lit a touch paper" under the debate about the issues.

    "We've been watching with our children - my boy is 16, my girl is 14 - and I have to say, I found it really hard," he told BBC political editor Chris Mason.

    It was so arresting, he said, because "in a sense, what happens in the drama could really happen anywhere, and almost happen to any child".

    It shone a light "on misogyny, on online content, and this sense of children, particularly boys, getting drawn in to this world", he said.

    But unlike some things the government deals with, "there isn't an obvious policy response which will answer all of these questions", he added.

    "It's much broader than that. It's a cultural issue, and therefore we're going to have to look more broadly, work as a society on this, and discuss it, which is why I'm really pleased that Adolescence is now going to be shown in schools free because I do think young people should be watching it.""


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx28neprdppo
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,960
    Art of the Deal...

    @Birdyword

    The miserable triple whammy begins again: Stocks down, 10yr bond yields up, dollar down.

    https://x.com/Birdyword/status/1910364014825070652
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,241
    edited April 10
    How many of our teachers think that watching a video of Adolescence would be a good way to educate their students?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,026
    Roger said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Political Polls
    @PpollingNumbers
    New - Trump approval poll

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    Morning Consult #C - A - 4/7

    They had a female pollster on the 5PM News who said trumps numbers were going down very fast. I can't get it easily but here is a different finding from yesterday

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trumps-approval-rating-keeps-getting-worse.html
    This is the Gallup polling:


  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,757

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    Propaganda means things to be spread

    The PM said it should be shown in schools

    When I went to a British Library exhibition about propaganda, there was a whole section dedicated to tuberculosis propaganda

    Do you know your own language?
    Is Maths propaganda?
    History?
    Biology?
    I know that you can tell the difference
    I can. Apparently you cannot.
    I can tell the difference between fictional Netflix dramas and maths

    No, you can't. You defined propaganda as "things to be spread"

    Which is literally Maths, History, Biology etc. Why did I pick those three? Because all three have been literal propaganda when taught in school at various times in the past. Biology and History are still taught as propaganda in some American schools.

    But even if we only teach normal maths. It is a thing, to be spread. Which you described as propaganda.

    I get it. Respect for women being taught in schools is a terrible thing. Its an opinion. But with all due respect, there is a reason that Kemi is so spectacularly shit that they're plotting to depose her...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,175
    Well I've got a maths degree and could multiply 15 by 15 at the age of 7
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,075
    Pulpstar said:

    Well I've got a maths degree and could multiply 15 by 15 at the age of 7

    No one likes a show off
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,241
    kjh said:

    Ratters said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I wouldn't get out of primary school now on that metric due to failing maths.

    And I have a maths degree.

    Very worrying.
    Ditto. I have a maths degree also and have never learnt my times tables. People confuse a memory test with actual maths. Learning your times table is not maths. Trouble is learning your times table does not equip you with anything outside of that boundary. Learning maths properly equips you to deal with problems you haven't encountered before.
    That's a truly pathetic admission

    Learn your times tables, then teach them to someone else

    You'll be a better mathematician and person by doing so
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,219

    How many of our teachers think that whacking a video of Adolescence would be a good way to educate their students?

    Not having seen it, I couldn't say, but generally I find watching fiction to learn anything factual isn't very effective unless you have a very clear idea of what you are teaching and how you will get it across afterwards.

    That's certainly true of anything over ten minutes long.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,757
    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    I don't think most on the right disagree with that in the least at least in the uk. I am fairly right wing compared to most others here though not what I would describe as far right. I subscribe to all of those statements
    Good. For the record, as sensational a production Adolescence is, I don't think *anyone* is suggesting that it be shown in schools in its entirety.

    I remember lots of TV being shown in school. Short sections of things. Used to illustrate an issue. With discussion and work following.

    There is very clearly something in the program which can be useful in combatting the toxic masculinity "uppity bitchez are the problem brothers" narrative which has flourished.
    "I don't think *anyone* is suggesting that it be shown in schools in its entirety."

    Maybe I am wrong, but isn't that exactly what Starmer is suggesting? Otherwise no one would be talking about this in a political sense

    "The prime minister told them the show was "at times harrowing" but had "lit a touch paper" under the debate about the issues.

    "We've been watching with our children - my boy is 16, my girl is 14 - and I have to say, I found it really hard," he told BBC political editor Chris Mason.

    It was so arresting, he said, because "in a sense, what happens in the drama could really happen anywhere, and almost happen to any child".

    It shone a light "on misogyny, on online content, and this sense of children, particularly boys, getting drawn in to this world", he said.

    But unlike some things the government deals with, "there isn't an obvious policy response which will answer all of these questions", he added.

    "It's much broader than that. It's a cultural issue, and therefore we're going to have to look more broadly, work as a society on this, and discuss it, which is why I'm really pleased that Adolescence is now going to be shown in schools free because I do think young people should be watching it.""


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx28neprdppo
    The question is *who* is talking about this in political terms. And why.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    Propaganda means things to be spread

    The PM said it should be shown in schools

    When I went to a British Library exhibition about propaganda, there was a whole section dedicated to tuberculosis propaganda

    Do you know your own language?
    Is Maths propaganda?
    History?
    Biology?
    I know that you can tell the difference
    I can. Apparently you cannot.
    I can tell the difference between fictional Netflix dramas and maths

    A few months ago you couldn't tell the difference between bullshit on the internet about Starmer and reality.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,219
    Pulpstar said:

    Well I've got a maths degree and could multiply 15 by 15 at the age of 7

    225, also aged 7.

    But no maths degree.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,960
    From a US colleague


  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,469

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    Propaganda means things to be spread

    The PM said it should be shown in schools

    When I went to a British Library exhibition about propaganda, there was a whole section dedicated to tuberculosis propaganda

    Do you know your own language?
    Is Maths propaganda?
    History?
    Biology?
    I know that you can tell the difference
    I can. Apparently you cannot.
    I can tell the difference between fictional Netflix dramas and maths

    A few months ago you couldn't tell the difference between bullshit on the internet about Starmer and reality.
    Starmer is Labour in name only...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,469
    Pulpstar said:

    Well I've got a maths degree and could multiply 15 by 15 at the age of 7

    We only went up to 12 x 12 at our Primary!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,469

    How many of our teachers think that watching a video of Adolescence would be a good way to educate their students?

    We can make our kids watch the original Star Wars to warn them of the dangers of creating planet-destroying super-weapons?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,746
    Pulpstar said:

    Well I've got a maths degree and could multiply 15 by 15 at the age of 7

    You have picked an unusually easy example in the 15x table.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,198

    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    I don't think most on the right disagree with that in the least at least in the uk. I am fairly right wing compared to most others here though not what I would describe as far right. I subscribe to all of those statements
    Good. For the record, as sensational a production Adolescence is, I don't think *anyone* is suggesting that it be shown in schools in its entirety.

    I remember lots of TV being shown in school. Short sections of things. Used to illustrate an issue. With discussion and work following.

    There is very clearly something in the program which can be useful in combatting the toxic masculinity "uppity bitchez are the problem brothers" narrative which has flourished.
    "I don't think *anyone* is suggesting that it be shown in schools in its entirety."

    Maybe I am wrong, but isn't that exactly what Starmer is suggesting? Otherwise no one would be talking about this in a political sense

    "The prime minister told them the show was "at times harrowing" but had "lit a touch paper" under the debate about the issues.

    "We've been watching with our children - my boy is 16, my girl is 14 - and I have to say, I found it really hard," he told BBC political editor Chris Mason.

    It was so arresting, he said, because "in a sense, what happens in the drama could really happen anywhere, and almost happen to any child".

    It shone a light "on misogyny, on online content, and this sense of children, particularly boys, getting drawn in to this world", he said.

    But unlike some things the government deals with, "there isn't an obvious policy response which will answer all of these questions", he added.

    "It's much broader than that. It's a cultural issue, and therefore we're going to have to look more broadly, work as a society on this, and discuss it, which is why I'm really pleased that Adolescence is now going to be shown in schools free because I do think young people should be watching it.""


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx28neprdppo
    The question is *who* is talking about this in political terms. And why.
    Well Starmer introduced the subject I think, and it has followed from there - Badenoch being repeatedly asked whether she has watched it, and kind of attacked when she said she hasn't. It appears that in the media's eyes she is now the bad guy for not having watched it, which seems a bit much
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,213

    kjh said:

    Ratters said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I wouldn't get out of primary school now on that metric due to failing maths.

    And I have a maths degree.

    Very worrying.
    Ditto. I have a maths degree also and have never learnt my times tables. People confuse a memory test with actual maths. Learning your times table is not maths. Trouble is learning your times table does not equip you with anything outside of that boundary. Learning maths properly equips you to deal with problems you haven't encountered before.
    That's a truly pathetic admission

    Learn your times tables, then teach them to someone else

    You'll be a better mathematician and person by doing so
    The problem is people's minds work in different ways. For some, learning the tables by rote might be best. For others, calculating them quickly in their head might be best. And the great thing about that is that it is extensible: the same techniques can also be used to multiply larger numbers.

    Like a lot of learning, a lot depends on what works best for the individual.

    And why does it matter, as long as someone get the correct answer quickly?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,230
    "Woman in her 40s airlifted to hospital with 'life-changing' injuries after 'being mauled by XL Bully' at home"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14596597/Woman-airlifted-hospital-life-changing-injuries-mauled-XL-Bully.html
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,901
    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    Here's the problem. Women have to be careful. Consider where they are going. What they are wearing. Who knows where they are. Girls are having to be raised to manage the threat against them.

    The threat isn't from Trans which can be solved by bathroom rules - as Badenoch says. The threat is from men and from boys who have had masculinity perverted and weaponised.

    I get the pushback. Men don't want to accept that we are the problem. But we are/. At which point do we man up and do something about it? We've successfully addressed issues about mental health. How about we address issues about treating women like property that we have rights over? Bloody incel - as if men have *any* rights for sex with anyone who doesn't want to.

    But yeah, the PM addressing the issue is the problem. Not the endless numbers of women murdered and raped and assaulted and afraid.
    But Kemi says the issue of concern isn't toxic masculinity but Islamic terrorism.
    Can we not be concerned with both?
    I think there's a danger of appearing to tell all followers of Islam that they are terrorists and all young men that they are dangerous and toxic, especially as regards women.

    It would be good to hear more about the overwhelming majority who are really rather great.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,544

    How many of our teachers think that watching a video of Adolescence would be a good way to educate their students?

    We can make our kids watch the original Star Wars to warn them of the dangers of creating planet-destroying super-weapons?
    A lesson sadly ignored or forgotten within just a few short years by (1) the Empire again and then (2) the First Order. #lazyscriptwriting
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517
    isam said:

    Went to Tescos today and paid £2.25 for my broccoli instead a pound, because I forgot my club card. First thing that came to mind was that I felt like I was on the wrong end of one of Trump's tariffs

    Download the Tesco app to your phone.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,824
    edited April 10
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    I do have to giggle. I poke a stick at the PB Angry Right and they respond predictably.

    "Propaganda"

    Saying that boys shouldn't stab girls
    Saying that girls need to treat boys with respect
    Saying that boys need to treat girls with respect
    Saying that we have a real problem with violence against women and girls which starts in school

    Propaganda.
    I don't think most on the right disagree with that in the least at least in the uk. I am fairly right wing compared to most others here though not what I would describe as far right. I subscribe to all of those statements
    Good. For the record, as sensational a production Adolescence is, I don't think *anyone* is suggesting that it be shown in schools in its entirety.

    I remember lots of TV being shown in school. Short sections of things. Used to illustrate an issue. With discussion and work following.

    There is very clearly something in the program which can be useful in combatting the toxic masculinity "uppity bitchez are the problem brothers" narrative which has flourished.
    "I don't think *anyone* is suggesting that it be shown in schools in its entirety."

    Maybe I am wrong, but isn't that exactly what Starmer is suggesting? Otherwise no one would be talking about this in a political sense

    "The prime minister told them the show was "at times harrowing" but had "lit a touch paper" under the debate about the issues.

    "We've been watching with our children - my boy is 16, my girl is 14 - and I have to say, I found it really hard," he told BBC political editor Chris Mason.

    It was so arresting, he said, because "in a sense, what happens in the drama could really happen anywhere, and almost happen to any child".

    It shone a light "on misogyny, on online content, and this sense of children, particularly boys, getting drawn in to this world", he said.

    But unlike some things the government deals with, "there isn't an obvious policy response which will answer all of these questions", he added.

    "It's much broader than that. It's a cultural issue, and therefore we're going to have to look more broadly, work as a society on this, and discuss it, which is why I'm really pleased that Adolescence is now going to be shown in schools free because I do think young people should be watching it.""


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx28neprdppo
    The question is *who* is talking about this in political terms. And why.
    Well Starmer introduced the subject I think, and it has followed from there - Badenoch being repeatedly asked whether she has watched it, and kind of attacked when she said she hasn't. It appears that in the media's eyes she is now the bad guy for not having watched it, which seems a bit much
    It's really reflective of the hole the Conservatives are still in. I remember from 97-03 it was really open season from the media on any Tory on any subject and especially the leader - Sometimes justified and sometimes not so justified.

    Kemi is doing the right thing sticking to her guns. At least by not watching it and calmly saying why, she remains authentic.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,544
    biggles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Well I've got a maths degree and could multiply 15 by 15 at the age of 7

    You have picked an unusually easy example in the 15x table.
    Far easier than, say, 20 x 10…
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,716
    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    Here's the problem. Women have to be careful. Consider where they are going. What they are wearing. Who knows where they are. Girls are having to be raised to manage the threat against them.

    The threat isn't from Trans which can be solved by bathroom rules - as Badenoch says. The threat is from men and from boys who have had masculinity perverted and weaponised.

    I get the pushback. Men don't want to accept that we are the problem. But we are/. At which point do we man up and do something about it? We've successfully addressed issues about mental health. How about we address issues about treating women like property that we have rights over? Bloody incel - as if men have *any* rights for sex with anyone who doesn't want to.

    But yeah, the PM addressing the issue is the problem. Not the endless numbers of women murdered and raped and assaulted and afraid.
    But Kemi says the issue of concern isn't toxic masculinity but Islamic terrorism.
    Can we not be concerned with both?
    I think there's a danger of appearing to tell all followers of Islam that they are terrorists and all young men that they are dangerous and toxic, especially as regards women.

    It would be good to hear more about the overwhelming majority who are really rather great.
    Neither group are mostly bad
  • isamisam Posts: 41,198

    kjh said:

    Ratters said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I wouldn't get out of primary school now on that metric due to failing maths.

    And I have a maths degree.

    Very worrying.
    Ditto. I have a maths degree also and have never learnt my times tables. People confuse a memory test with actual maths. Learning your times table is not maths. Trouble is learning your times table does not equip you with anything outside of that boundary. Learning maths properly equips you to deal with problems you haven't encountered before.
    That's a truly pathetic admission

    Learn your times tables, then teach them to someone else

    You'll be a better mathematician and person by doing so
    The problem is people's minds work in different ways. For some, learning the tables by rote might be best. For others, calculating them quickly in their head might be best. And the great thing about that is that it is extensible: the same techniques can also be used to multiply larger numbers.

    Like a lot of learning, a lot depends on what works best for the individual.

    And why does it matter, as long as someone get the correct answer quickly?
    The BBC show "Numberblocks" is absolutely different class in getting kids to know their numbers/times tables. Couldn't recommend it enough.

    Dominic Cummings wrote an interesting piece on his substack about the poor way UK kids are taught Maths compared to other countries; there were several books recommended to help youngsters, which I have bought for when my kids are a bit older
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,716

    isam said:

    Went to Tescos today and paid £2.25 for my broccoli instead a pound, because I forgot my club card. First thing that came to mind was that I felt like I was on the wrong end of one of Trump's tariffs

    Download the Tesco app to your phone.
    This is part of today's problems....download the app to your phone.....how about we just don't take a phone everywhere and interact
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,990
    Pulpstar said:

    Well I've got a maths degree and could multiply 15 by 15 at the age of 7

    With all the gadgets round the house showing the time I have a continuous urge to work out whether the digits are divisible by 7

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,610
    isam said:

    Went to Tescos today and paid £2.25 for my broccoli instead a pound, because I forgot my club card. First thing that came to mind was that I felt like I was on the wrong end of one of Trump's tariffs

    Don't go into a Dublin branch on holiday. Won't take British club cards. Which is fine for points-accumulation, because it's a different system in a different country. But you don't get the discount! Presumably applies to Irish citizens in NI too. And you can't sign up without an Irish credit card.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,332
    Why am I getting adverts for Kazakhstan on my twitter feed this evening?

    Is this something to do with @Leon ?
  • FffsFffs Posts: 100
    isam said:

    kjh said:

    Ratters said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I wouldn't get out of primary school now on that metric due to failing maths.

    And I have a maths degree.

    Very worrying.
    Ditto. I have a maths degree also and have never learnt my times tables. People confuse a memory test with actual maths. Learning your times table is not maths. Trouble is learning your times table does not equip you with anything outside of that boundary. Learning maths properly equips you to deal with problems you haven't encountered before.
    That's a truly pathetic admission

    Learn your times tables, then teach them to someone else

    You'll be a better mathematician and person by doing so
    The problem is people's minds work in different ways. For some, learning the tables by rote might be best. For others, calculating them quickly in their head might be best. And the great thing about that is that it is extensible: the same techniques can also be used to multiply larger numbers.

    Like a lot of learning, a lot depends on what works best for the individual.

    And why does it matter, as long as someone get the correct answer quickly?
    The BBC show "Numberblocks" is absolutely different class in getting kids to know their numbers/times tables. Couldn't recommend it enough.

    Dominic Cummings wrote an interesting piece on his substack about the poor way UK kids are taught Maths compared to other countries; there were several books recommended to help youngsters, which I have bought for when my kids are a bit older
    What were the books, out of interest?
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 853
    isam said:

    kjh said:

    Ratters said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I wouldn't get out of primary school now on that metric due to failing maths.

    And I have a maths degree.

    Very worrying.
    Ditto. I have a maths degree also and have never learnt my times tables. People confuse a memory test with actual maths. Learning your times table is not maths. Trouble is learning your times table does not equip you with anything outside of that boundary. Learning maths properly equips you to deal with problems you haven't encountered before.
    That's a truly pathetic admission

    Learn your times tables, then teach them to someone else

    You'll be a better mathematician and person by doing so
    The problem is people's minds work in different ways. For some, learning the tables by rote might be best. For others, calculating them quickly in their head might be best. And the great thing about that is that it is extensible: the same techniques can also be used to multiply larger numbers.

    Like a lot of learning, a lot depends on what works best for the individual.

    And why does it matter, as long as someone get the correct answer quickly?
    The BBC show "Numberblocks" is absolutely different class in getting kids to know their numbers/times tables. Couldn't recommend it enough.
    Warning - if you watch it wear noise cancelling headphones or you will have the theme tune stuck in your head continually. Even worse than most kids TV programs
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,213
    isam said:

    kjh said:

    Ratters said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I wouldn't get out of primary school now on that metric due to failing maths.

    And I have a maths degree.

    Very worrying.
    Ditto. I have a maths degree also and have never learnt my times tables. People confuse a memory test with actual maths. Learning your times table is not maths. Trouble is learning your times table does not equip you with anything outside of that boundary. Learning maths properly equips you to deal with problems you haven't encountered before.
    That's a truly pathetic admission

    Learn your times tables, then teach them to someone else

    You'll be a better mathematician and person by doing so
    The problem is people's minds work in different ways. For some, learning the tables by rote might be best. For others, calculating them quickly in their head might be best. And the great thing about that is that it is extensible: the same techniques can also be used to multiply larger numbers.

    Like a lot of learning, a lot depends on what works best for the individual.

    And why does it matter, as long as someone get the correct answer quickly?
    The BBC show "Numberblocks" is absolutely different class in getting kids to know their numbers/times tables. Couldn't recommend it enough.

    Dominic Cummings wrote an interesting piece on his substack about the poor way UK kids are taught Maths compared to other countries; there were several books recommended to help youngsters, which I have bought for when my kids are a bit older
    Number blocks was excellent.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,026
    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Is it the programme you object to? Or the teaching about the dangers of misogyny on social media?

    Presumably if you think the latter is a suitable subject for secondary schools, how would you teach it and with what supporting materials?
    Mysogyny absolutely needs to be a subject raised at secondary school as does racism and homophobia etc. I don't however think this is a good way its too sensationalist. It ends in murder....mostly those things don't. Yes we need to tackle them I agree.....making them sensationalist I think personally sends the wrong message
    Here's the problem. Women have to be careful. Consider where they are going. What they are wearing. Who knows where they are. Girls are having to be raised to manage the threat against them.

    The threat isn't from Trans which can be solved by bathroom rules - as Badenoch says. The threat is from men and from boys who have had masculinity perverted and weaponised.

    I get the pushback. Men don't want to accept that we are the problem. But we are/. At which point do we man up and do something about it? We've successfully addressed issues about mental health. How about we address issues about treating women like property that we have rights over? Bloody incel - as if men have *any* rights for sex with anyone who doesn't want to.

    But yeah, the PM addressing the issue is the problem. Not the endless numbers of women murdered and raped and assaulted and afraid.
    But Kemi says the issue of concern isn't toxic masculinity but Islamic terrorism.
    Can we not be concerned with both?
    I think there's a danger of appearing to tell all followers of Islam that they are terrorists and all young men that they are dangerous and toxic, especially as regards women.

    It would be good to hear more about the overwhelming majority who are really rather great.
    That's why , if it is to be to taught at all, it should be in small groups with good facilitators so the students lead the teaching. I would also structure the groups so the boys and girls are in the same groups and the boys not sitting in gangs, with the facilitators making sure that the girls voices are heard and the students tie it in to their own experiences.

    If not controlled well by the facilitators it could go very very badly wrong.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 631

    GIN1138 said:

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1910363020204589297

    "You deserve to lose every single penny."

    Nigel Farage says let private water companies go bust.

    Nigel is still a Thatcherite after all?
    I don't think the great woman would agree. She despised fascists. His apologist views on Putin would disgust her
    Pinochet?

    Have a MT novelty nutcrackers in a drawer at home. Must put it on EBay.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,241

    How many of our teachers think that watching a video of Adolescence would be a good way to educate their students?

    We can make our kids watch the original Star Wars to warn them of the dangers of creating planet-destroying super-weapons?
    We should show it to Trump to point out the downsides of mucking up trade systems.

    As for Adolescence, I can't imagine many (any?) schools having the time to watch the whole thing. And I haven't watched it. Having said that, the issues it raises are incredibly relevant and appropriate scenes might be a very good way into the necessary conversations with pupils.

    (And if KB didn't want to be asked if she has seen it all the time, she shouldn't have slagged it off based on what she read on Twitter.)
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,901
    isam said:

    Went to Tescos today and paid £2.25 for my broccoli instead a pound, because I forgot my club card. First thing that came to mind was that I felt like I was on the wrong end of one of Trump's tariffs

    Not long ago Lidl was conspicuous for being inexpensive and simple. Sadly they have joined this complex game in which some stuff is cheaper for Group X who have joined Scheme Y, which means remembering to take stuff with you, correctly scanning it etc, and it slows down and complicates the process.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,284

    kjh said:

    Ratters said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I wouldn't get out of primary school now on that metric due to failing maths.

    And I have a maths degree.

    Very worrying.
    Ditto. I have a maths degree also and have never learnt my times tables. People confuse a memory test with actual maths. Learning your times table is not maths. Trouble is learning your times table does not equip you with anything outside of that boundary. Learning maths properly equips you to deal with problems you haven't encountered before.
    That's a truly pathetic admission

    Learn your times tables, then teach them to someone else

    You'll be a better mathematician and person by doing so
    No, I wouldn't be. Learning times table by heart would just mean I can calculate things marginally quicker. The hard part of proper maths problems is the logic behind it, not the numerical processing.

    I think it's better to have the tools to quickly calculate different sums. I would calculate 13 x 15 the same way as I would 283 x 15. By quickly breaking down each sum into solvable parts. You still get to the result in seconds.

    I think that is a far more valuable thing to learn than memorising a set number of multiplications by rote.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517
    edited April 10
    I achieved an A in both Maths and Further Maths at A-Levels which reinforces my status as a polymath.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,219

    I did Maths and Further Maths at A-Levels which reinforces my status as a polymath.

    Was that an oblique pun?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,026
    edited April 10

    isam said:

    Went to Tescos today and paid £2.25 for my broccoli instead a pound, because I forgot my club card. First thing that came to mind was that I felt like I was on the wrong end of one of Trump's tariffs

    Download the Tesco app to your phone.
    Just save the barcode in Google wallet, or take a screenshot. The app can be slow to load in store.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,517
    ydoethur said:

    I did Maths and Further Maths at A-Levels which reinforces my status as a polymath.

    Was that an oblique pun?
    Oblique as it was a subtle humblebrag.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,156

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I think the use of calculators etc is just ingrained now. I was doing an interview the other day and the candidate used a calculator for 20 x 10. Really.
    At least it was a short interview.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,544

    I achieved an A in both Maths and Further Maths at A-Levels which reinforces my status as a polymath.

    Same, and in my case a year early for both, too.

    #sadclaimtofame
  • isamisam Posts: 41,198
    edited April 10
    Fffs said:

    isam said:

    kjh said:

    Ratters said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I wouldn't get out of primary school now on that metric due to failing maths.

    And I have a maths degree.

    Very worrying.
    Ditto. I have a maths degree also and have never learnt my times tables. People confuse a memory test with actual maths. Learning your times table is not maths. Trouble is learning your times table does not equip you with anything outside of that boundary. Learning maths properly equips you to deal with problems you haven't encountered before.
    That's a truly pathetic admission

    Learn your times tables, then teach them to someone else

    You'll be a better mathematician and person by doing so
    The problem is people's minds work in different ways. For some, learning the tables by rote might be best. For others, calculating them quickly in their head might be best. And the great thing about that is that it is extensible: the same techniques can also be used to multiply larger numbers.

    Like a lot of learning, a lot depends on what works best for the individual.

    And why does it matter, as long as someone get the correct answer quickly?
    The BBC show "Numberblocks" is absolutely different class in getting kids to know their numbers/times tables. Couldn't recommend it enough.

    Dominic Cummings wrote an interesting piece on his substack about the poor way UK kids are taught Maths compared to other countries; there were several books recommended to help youngsters, which I have bought for when my kids are a bit older
    What were the books, out of interest?
    Quicker for me to link his article than type them

    https://dominiccummings.substack.com/p/how-to-help-parents-and-teachers
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,660
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Immigration judge backed calls to decriminalise illegal UK entry

    Social media posts shared by Greg Ó Ceallaigh also criticised President Trump and said the Tory party should be dealt with ‘like Nazis’" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/78bf9b12-1cbf-4caa-b08e-42b0adf0d140?shareToken=3780356a6206b9907de7da6c31070296

    How did someone as biased as him get appointed I’m the first place?
    Based on the article they’ve only come to light now.
    Who does better vetting of their candidates, Reform or the judiciary?
    Isn’t this just a case of Blair’s idiotic renaming of “immigration tribunal panel chairs” as “judges” undermining confidence in the judicial system?
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119

    I achieved an A in both Maths and Further Maths at A-Levels which reinforces my status as a polymath.

    Same, and in my case a year early for both, too.

    #sadclaimtofame
    I got an A in A level Maths too. Definitely the hardest A level to get an A in.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,193
    Battlebus said:

    GIN1138 said:

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1910363020204589297

    "You deserve to lose every single penny."

    Nigel Farage says let private water companies go bust.

    Nigel is still a Thatcherite after all?
    I don't think the great woman would agree. She despised fascists. His apologist views on Putin would disgust her
    Pinochet?

    Have a MT novelty nutcrackers in a drawer at home. Must put it on EBay.
    ‘As used by Pinochet’s secret police’
  • isamisam Posts: 41,198

    isam said:

    kjh said:

    Ratters said:

    @BlancheLivermore why do you care so much about a tv series? I haven’t seen it and I don’t care.

    Because Starmer has turned it into semi-official propaganda

    And he keeps accidentally calling it fact rather than fiction

    Is he doing it stupidly or deliberately?
    Who cares? There are more important things going on
    How dare you

    Adolescence is the most important TV show ever

    All the lefties, like the PM, told me that already

    It must shown in schools, apparently..
    Maybe it should be shown in schools. Who cares?
    Sensible people who don't think that it's worthwhile educational material?
    Nah. I haven’t seen it but it’s the same people who are irrationally angry about it are also the same people who think any criticism of white men is woke or racist or both. You need to get out more
    How many lessons at school would have to be missed by watching Adolescence?

    If it's more than half, fuck off
    Im sure you put this much energy into all other aspects of the curriculum too.
    If I had the chance..

    Maths would be old school

    Nobody gets out of primary school without knowing their times tables, up to 15
    I wouldn't get out of primary school now on that metric due to failing maths.

    And I have a maths degree.

    Very worrying.
    Ditto. I have a maths degree also and have never learnt my times tables. People confuse a memory test with actual maths. Learning your times table is not maths. Trouble is learning your times table does not equip you with anything outside of that boundary. Learning maths properly equips you to deal with problems you haven't encountered before.
    That's a truly pathetic admission

    Learn your times tables, then teach them to someone else

    You'll be a better mathematician and person by doing so
    The problem is people's minds work in different ways. For some, learning the tables by rote might be best. For others, calculating them quickly in their head might be best. And the great thing about that is that it is extensible: the same techniques can also be used to multiply larger numbers.

    Like a lot of learning, a lot depends on what works best for the individual.

    And why does it matter, as long as someone get the correct answer quickly?
    The BBC show "Numberblocks" is absolutely different class in getting kids to know their numbers/times tables. Couldn't recommend it enough.
    Warning - if you watch it wear noise cancelling headphones or you will have the theme tune stuck in your head continually. Even worse than most kids TV programs
    “5-4-3-2-1, sorry what?”
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,052

    How many of our teachers think that watching a video of Adolescence would be a good way to educate their students?

    We can make our kids watch the original Star Wars to warn them of the dangers of creating planet-destroying super-weapons?
    We should show it to Trump to point out the downsides of mucking up trade systems.

    As for Adolescence, I can't imagine many (any?) schools having the time to watch the whole thing. And I haven't watched it. Having said that, the issues it raises are incredibly relevant and appropriate scenes might be a very good way into the necessary conversations with pupils.

    (And if KB didn't want to be asked if she has seen it all the time, she shouldn't have slagged it off based on what she read on Twitter.)
    I like to think it's a subtle in-joke from Starmer. Episode 2 is all about a failing school where the teachers have resorted to just showing TV shows and films.
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