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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    @DavidGauke

    Congress needs to step in and strip the President of his powers over tariffs. Will require political courage from Republicans but when your leader is intent on a mad policy that will have a devastating impact on the prosperity of your people you have to do what you have to do.

    Twenty one of us did it in 2019 over Brexit and I don’t think any of us regret it.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1909270021852782776
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,368
    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    China isn’t going to back down - I wonder when they start to sell their US treasury bonds
    Selling US bonds is the problem to which Trump has no answer. Japan has already started. China would be an order of magnitude different though.

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,181
    Scott_xP said:

    @DavidGauke

    Congress needs to step in and strip the President of his powers over tariffs. Will require political courage from Republicans but when your leader is intent on a mad policy that will have a devastating impact on the prosperity of your people you have to do what you have to do.

    Twenty one of us did it in 2019 over Brexit and I don’t think any of us regret it.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1909270021852782776

    Not going to happen.

    The U.S. has essentially declared a kind of war on China, and the C-in-C is in control of overall strategy.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,243
    edited April 7

    Trump has spoken to the Japanese Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba this morning, and says that the country has treated the US "very poorly on trade".

    "They don’t take our cars, but we take MILLIONS of theirs. Likewise Agriculture, and many other '"things"."

    He does know that Japan drives on the left - and US car manufacturers can't be arsed to make them?

    He probably doesn't know, and if he was told he'd probably suggest they should change.
    It's an additional trade barrier, justifying ramping up the tariffs on Japanese imports!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,231
    "Plastic surgeon guilty of trying to kill colleague

    Jonathan Peter Brooks "hated" Graeme Perks, a court in Loughborough heard, due to the proceedings, which had begun three days before the stabbing on 14 January 2021. Brooks went to Mr Perks's home in Halam, Nottinghamshire, in the early hours and broke in armed with a crowbar, cans of petrol, matches and a knife.

    Brooks was convicted of two counts of attempted murder, one of attempted arson with intent to endanger life and one count of possession of a bladed article. He is due to be sentenced on 3 June.

    It can now be reported that Brooks was "voluntarily absent" from the trial, because he was on hunger strike.

    He also sacked his lawyers before the trial and was unrepresented in the case."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly12gxxd1qo
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    China isn’t going to back down - I wonder when they start to sell their US treasury bonds
    Selling US bonds is the problem to which Trump has no answer. Japan has already started. China would be an order of magnitude different though.

    There is a theory that since the US has to refinance trillions in Government debt soon, devaluing the US economy is a cunning plan...
  • eekeek Posts: 29,653
    Scott_xP said:

    @DavidGauke

    Congress needs to step in and strip the President of his powers over tariffs. Will require political courage from Republicans but when your leader is intent on a mad policy that will have a devastating impact on the prosperity of your people you have to do what you have to do.

    Twenty one of us did it in 2019 over Brexit and I don’t think any of us regret it.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1909270021852782776

    Can someone ask David what he thinks stripping Trump of the power would do? The damage is already done and reversing things isn’t going to remove the business issues
  • vikvik Posts: 226
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @DavidGauke

    Congress needs to step in and strip the President of his powers over tariffs. Will require political courage from Republicans but when your leader is intent on a mad policy that will have a devastating impact on the prosperity of your people you have to do what you have to do.

    Twenty one of us did it in 2019 over Brexit and I don’t think any of us regret it.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1909270021852782776

    Can someone ask David what he thinks stripping Trump of the power would do? The damage is already done and reversing things isn’t going to remove the business issues
    We saw today how fast the market recovered on just a rumour that the tariffs were being delayed.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e
  • vikvik Posts: 226

    Scott_xP said:

    @DavidGauke

    Congress needs to step in and strip the President of his powers over tariffs. Will require political courage from Republicans but when your leader is intent on a mad policy that will have a devastating impact on the prosperity of your people you have to do what you have to do.

    Twenty one of us did it in 2019 over Brexit and I don’t think any of us regret it.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1909270021852782776

    Not going to happen.

    The U.S. has essentially declared a kind of war on China, and the C-in-C is in control of overall strategy.
    7 Republican Senators are already ready to do this.

    There'll be a lot more, as the market carnage continues.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    @lauren.rotatingsandwiches.com‬

    stocks briefly rallied on Monday after CNBC ran a Citigroup ad featuring a purple haired lesbian and investors speculated that Woke is being restored

    https://bsky.app/profile/lauren.rotatingsandwiches.com/post/3lmac7gothk2r
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,383
    Scott_xP said:

    @lauren.rotatingsandwiches.com‬

    stocks briefly rallied on Monday after CNBC ran a Citigroup ad featuring a purple haired lesbian and investors speculated that Woke is being restored

    https://bsky.app/profile/lauren.rotatingsandwiches.com/post/3lmac7gothk2r

    Drop woke, go broke.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,469
  • isamisam Posts: 41,198
    edited April 7
    Scott_xP said:

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    China isn’t going to back down - I wonder when they start to sell their US treasury bonds
    Selling US bonds is the problem to which Trump has no answer. Japan has already started. China would be an order of magnitude different though.

    There is a theory that since the US has to refinance trillions in Government debt soon, devaluing the US economy is a cunning plan...
    One of the school Dads, who works for a bank in the Futures dept, told me this was the rumour at work last week
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,560

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    China isn’t going to back down - I wonder when they start to sell their US treasury bonds
    Selling US bonds is the problem to which Trump has no answer. Japan has already started. China would be an order of magnitude different though.

    So what happens if China sells all its US bonds? The US has already sold them, so I can't see what effect it will have. Presumably there will be some effect on attempts to finance future debt with bonds - increased interest rates?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,181
    10 yr US bonds are back at the levels they were last week. Market is factoring a decent dose of inflation.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979

    Scott_xP said:

    @lauren.rotatingsandwiches.com‬

    stocks briefly rallied on Monday after CNBC ran a Citigroup ad featuring a purple haired lesbian and investors speculated that Woke is being restored

    https://bsky.app/profile/lauren.rotatingsandwiches.com/post/3lmac7gothk2r

    Drop woke, go broke.
    DEI was the only thing keeping planes in the sky

    Pronouns and unisex bathrooms were the only thing keeping Wall Street afloat
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979

    10 yr US bonds are back at the levels they were last week. Market is factoring a decent dose of inflation.

    But Donny said only this morning IN CAPITAL LETTERS there is no inflation???
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,181

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    China isn’t going to back down - I wonder when they start to sell their US treasury bonds
    Selling US bonds is the problem to which Trump has no answer. Japan has already started. China would be an order of magnitude different though.

    So what happens if China sells all its US bonds? The US has already sold them, so I can't see what effect it will have. Presumably there will be some effect on attempts to finance future debt with bonds - increased interest rates?
    The market would collapse, pushing yields through the roof.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,983
    Scott_xP said:

    @DavidGauke

    Congress needs to step in and strip the President of his powers over tariffs. Will require political courage from Republicans but when your leader is intent on a mad policy that will have a devastating impact on the prosperity of your people you have to do what you have to do.

    Twenty one of us did it in 2019 over Brexit and I don’t think any of us regret it.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1909270021852782776

    Didn't stop brexit though did it ?
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    China isn’t going to back down - I wonder when they start to sell their US treasury bonds
    Selling US bonds is the problem to which Trump has no answer. Japan has already started. China would be an order of magnitude different though.

    There is a theory that since the US has to refinance trillions in Government debt soon, devaluing the US economy is a cunning plan...
    One of the school Dads, who works for a bank in the Futures dept, told me this was the rumour at work last week
    That reliant on bond yields dropping though
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,899
    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,348

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    China isn’t going to back down - I wonder when they start to sell their US treasury bonds
    Selling US bonds is the problem to which Trump has no answer. Japan has already started. China would be an order of magnitude different though.

    So what happens if China sells all its US bonds? The US has already sold them, so I can't see what effect it will have. Presumably there will be some effect on attempts to finance future debt with bonds - increased interest rates?
    The price will drop like a stone if China floods the market with US bonds it holds.

    The yield will rise in proportion (ie the effective interest rate).

    Makes refinancing US deficit harder.

  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,383
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lauren.rotatingsandwiches.com‬

    stocks briefly rallied on Monday after CNBC ran a Citigroup ad featuring a purple haired lesbian and investors speculated that Woke is being restored

    https://bsky.app/profile/lauren.rotatingsandwiches.com/post/3lmac7gothk2r

    Drop woke, go broke.
    DEI was the only thing keeping planes in the sky

    Pronouns and unisex bathrooms were the only thing keeping Wall Street afloat
    Litch.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,367
    Andy_JS said:

    "Plastic surgeon guilty of trying to kill colleague

    Jonathan Peter Brooks "hated" Graeme Perks, a court in Loughborough heard, due to the proceedings, which had begun three days before the stabbing on 14 January 2021. Brooks went to Mr Perks's home in Halam, Nottinghamshire, in the early hours and broke in armed with a crowbar, cans of petrol, matches and a knife.

    Brooks was convicted of two counts of attempted murder, one of attempted arson with intent to endanger life and one count of possession of a bladed article. He is due to be sentenced on 3 June.

    It can now be reported that Brooks was "voluntarily absent" from the trial, because he was on hunger strike.

    He also sacked his lawyers before the trial and was unrepresented in the case."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly12gxxd1qo

    He must have been very cross
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    Meanwhile...

    @Shayan86

    After a second unvaccinated child dies of measles as a result of the ongoing outbreak of the disease in Texas, Health Secretary RFK Jr syas: "The most effective way to prevent the spread of measles is the MMR vaccine."

    https://x.com/Shayan86/status/1909061876366917702

    Good news, right?

    @Shayan86

    Anti-vaccine influencers are disappointed and angry with Health Secretary RFK Jr and are trying to find out "what's happened to him" after he recommended the MMR vaccine to tackle the ongoing measles outbreak.

    They're wondering if big pharma or the Clintons "have got him".

    https://x.com/Shayan86/status/1909254701478015413
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,904
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @DavidGauke

    Congress needs to step in and strip the President of his powers over tariffs. Will require political courage from Republicans but when your leader is intent on a mad policy that will have a devastating impact on the prosperity of your people you have to do what you have to do.

    Twenty one of us did it in 2019 over Brexit and I don’t think any of us regret it.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1909270021852782776

    Can someone ask David what he thinks stripping Trump of the power would do? The damage is already done and reversing things isn’t going to remove the business issues
    TBF, since you raise the issue, the question is not: Is Gauke's plan perfect and the finished article in every detail? but: Have you got a better one?

    I think the military should conduct a coup against this USA administration to enable a return to constitutionalism and the rule of law, and I believe they have abundant justification for doing so already as governments who don't obey their own laws and courts (eg the El Salvador cases) have rejected their own legitimacy; but I am not able to suggest there are no possible downsides.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,490

    Scott_xP said:

    @DavidGauke

    Congress needs to step in and strip the President of his powers over tariffs. Will require political courage from Republicans but when your leader is intent on a mad policy that will have a devastating impact on the prosperity of your people you have to do what you have to do.

    Twenty one of us did it in 2019 over Brexit and I don’t think any of us regret it.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1909270021852782776

    Didn't stop brexit though did it ?
    Sadly.
  • vikvik Posts: 226
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @DeItaone

    TRUMP: U.S. WILL IMPOSE ADDITIONAL 50% TARIFFS ON CHINA EFFECTIVE APRIL 9TH IF CHINA DOES NOT WITHDRAW 34% INCREASE

    Are you thinking of retracting, @Gardenwalker ?
    Nervous laughter.

    I just think it doesn’t help anybody to pronounce Trump as mad. His policies, sure.

    Even then, there is a logic of sorts behind what we are experiencing, per Bessent on Tucker Carlson.
    I think this arguably qualifies as "raving" ?

    "Yesterday, China issued Retaliatory Tariffs of 34%, on top of their already record setting Tariffs, Non-Monetary Tariffs, Illegal Subsidization of companies, and massive long term Currency Manipulation, despite my warning that any country that Retaliates against the U.S. by issuing additional Tariffs, above and beyond their already existing long term Tariff abuse of our Nation, will be immediately met with new and substantially higher Tariffs, over and above those initially set. Therefore, if China does not withdraw its 34% increase above their already long term trading abuses by tomorrow, April 8th, 2025, the United States will impose ADDITIONAL
    Tariffs on China of 50%, effective April 9th. Additionally, all talks with China concerning their requested meetings with us will be terminated! Negotiations with other countries, which have also requested meetings, will begin taking place immediately. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

    And Bessent is beginning to sound as though he's away with the fairies.
    I'm starting to think that he wants Congress to take away his power to set tariffs.

    He realises that this can't continue, but his ego won't allow him to back down.

    He wants someone else to stop him, because he is incapable to stopping himself.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    China isn’t going to back down - I wonder when they start to sell their US treasury bonds
    Selling US bonds is the problem to which Trump has no answer. Japan has already started. China would be an order of magnitude different though.

    So what happens if China sells all its US bonds? The US has already sold them, so I can't see what effect it will have. Presumably there will be some effect on attempts to finance future debt with bonds - increased interest rates?
    The price will drop like a stone if China floods the market with US bonds it holds.

    The yield will rise in proportion (ie the effective interest rate).

    Makes refinancing US deficit harder.

    Doesn't China just have to stop buying them ?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,904
    The Guardian is running a proper cheery Sun football/USA/bloke story with no downside, except that the Sun would do it better.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/apr/07/southend-united-evan-johnston-national-league-wrong-boat-sutton
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,419
    Remain calm everyone. This is my video of the Almaty Opera House just now



    The only negative is that about an hour before this I got utterly drenched in the fiercest storm in history. The nearby Tien Shan mountains cause insane weather

    Also: food in Kazakhstan is BAD. It’s so bad even the Georgian food is bad

    Decent gin and tonics however
  • eekeek Posts: 29,653

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    China isn’t going to back down - I wonder when they start to sell their US treasury bonds
    Selling US bonds is the problem to which Trump has no answer. Japan has already started. China would be an order of magnitude different though.

    So what happens if China sells all its US bonds? The US has already sold them, so I can't see what effect it will have. Presumably there will be some effect on attempts to finance future debt with bonds - increased interest rates?
    China doesn’t need to sell its bonds, remember the US has to refinance a lot of them. So it can simply wait for the ones it has to expire and refuse to bid on the new ones. Which would make supply of bonds greater than demand so increasing interest rates while China has some cash it can pull back home or invest elsewhere
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329
    eek said:

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    China isn’t going to back down - I wonder when they start to sell their US treasury bonds
    Selling US bonds is the problem to which Trump has no answer. Japan has already started. China would be an order of magnitude different though.

    So what happens if China sells all its US bonds? The US has already sold them, so I can't see what effect it will have. Presumably there will be some effect on attempts to finance future debt with bonds - increased interest rates?
    China doesn’t need to sell its bonds, remember the US has to refinance a lot of them. So it can simply wait for the ones it has to expire and refuse to bid on the new ones. Which would make supply of bonds greater than demand so increasing interest rates while China has some cash it can pull back home or invest elsewhere
    Congress just voted to renew the Trump tax cut, and lift the debt ceiling by the odd $5trillion.
    I'm sure this will go well.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,904
    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    In that case the judgment falls on those around him who are allowing all this to happen, supporting him and cheering him on. This would include GOP's in Congress, and loads of others.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329
    Leon said:

    Remain calm everyone. This is my video of the Almaty Opera House just now



    The only negative is that about an hour before this I got utterly drenched in the fiercest storm in history. The nearby Tien Shan mountains cause insane weather

    Also: food in Kazakhstan is BAD. It’s so bad even the Georgian food is bad

    Decent gin and tonics however

    Gins and tonic ?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    algarkirk said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @DavidGauke

    Congress needs to step in and strip the President of his powers over tariffs. Will require political courage from Republicans but when your leader is intent on a mad policy that will have a devastating impact on the prosperity of your people you have to do what you have to do.

    Twenty one of us did it in 2019 over Brexit and I don’t think any of us regret it.

    https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/1909270021852782776

    Can someone ask David what he thinks stripping Trump of the power would do? The damage is already done and reversing things isn’t going to remove the business issues
    TBF, since you raise the issue, the question is not: Is Gauke's plan perfect and the finished article in every detail? but: Have you got a better one?

    I think the military should conduct a coup against this USA administration to enable a return to constitutionalism and the rule of law, and I believe they have abundant justification for doing so already as governments who don't obey their own laws and courts (eg the El Salvador cases) have rejected their own legitimacy; but I am not able to suggest there are no possible downsides.
    They just need to read the declaration of Independence



    https://x.com/TheOmniLiberal/status/1908270028073341379
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,368
    Roger said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Plastic surgeon guilty of trying to kill colleague

    Jonathan Peter Brooks "hated" Graeme Perks, a court in Loughborough heard, due to the proceedings, which had begun three days before the stabbing on 14 January 2021. Brooks went to Mr Perks's home in Halam, Nottinghamshire, in the early hours and broke in armed with a crowbar, cans of petrol, matches and a knife.

    Brooks was convicted of two counts of attempted murder, one of attempted arson with intent to endanger life and one count of possession of a bladed article. He is due to be sentenced on 3 June.

    It can now be reported that Brooks was "voluntarily absent" from the trial, because he was on hunger strike.

    He also sacked his lawyers before the trial and was unrepresented in the case."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly12gxxd1qo

    He must have been very cross
    Although he'd had so much botox, you couldn't tell...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,490
    edited April 7
    Leon said:

    Remain calm everyone. This is my video of the Almaty Opera House just now



    The only negative is that about an hour before this I got utterly drenched in the fiercest storm in history. The nearby Tien Shan mountains cause insane weather

    Also: food in Kazakhstan is BAD. It’s so bad even the Georgian food is bad

    Decent gin and tonics however

    Friend of mine, sadly now no longer with us, was honoured shortly before his death by the Kazakstan government for services to education for the elderly.
    Although he spelled it Qazakstan.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,368
    Go on, tell us how proud you are...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329
    As an aside, how do we expect the World Cup to go ?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    Nigelb said:

    As an aside, how do we expect the World Cup to go ?

    With or without a massive boycott ?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
    It's not unreasonable to assume though that when they voted for him, they expected him to act rationally.

    At what point is the implicit pact with the electorate null and void?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,513
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    As an aside, how do we expect the World Cup to go ?

    With or without a massive boycott ?
    Certainly by Scotland. :wink:
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,490
    Nigelb said:

    As an aside, how do we expect the World Cup to go ?

    I'd be a bit wary of going to play there, let alone watch.

    Not that, even allowing the Heard Islands to enter, would I be likely to play. Ever!
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,761
    edited April 7
    Understandably, the thread header seems to have been largely ignored in the thread itself, with Trump continuing to stand astride the discourse. I don't think the government is doing much wrong in its response to the chaos, with a measured, 'wait and see' approach largely sensible.

    One thing Labour/the government should be doing while it's waiting however is bring in the big guns to do whatever it takes to settle the Birmingham bin strikes. Other parties will exploit the Birmingham chaos ruthlessly in the run-up to May elections, regardless of the location of those elections. It needs sorting, quickly.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    tlg86 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    As an aside, how do we expect the World Cup to go ?

    With or without a massive boycott ?
    Certainly by Scotland. :wink:
    It's a long running protest...
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,361

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
    Being up against first Biden with his decline and then Harris with her ineptitude probably flattered him a little.
  • BogotaBogota Posts: 119
    Scott_xP said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
    It's not unreasonable to assume though that when they voted for him, they expected him to act rationally.

    At what point is the implicit pact with the electorate null and void?
    Hes acting just like he always has done..stupid decisions masked by braggadico and bullshit.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,361
    Nigelb said:

    As an aside, how do we expect the World Cup to go ?

    It’s coming home, it’s coming home. Soccers coming home.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IdiotPlot
    Originated by SF author James Blish and popularized by film critic Roger Ebert during his review of the remake of Narrow Margin, this trope is a term for a Plot that hangs together only because the main characters behave like idiots. A single intelligent move or question by any of the characters, and all problems would be resolved. It's not so bad if the characters are supposed to be acting like idiots, but it's very bad if the Idiot Plot depends on intelligent characters picking up the Idiot Ball for the plot to work.

    Even worse than that is the "Second-Order Idiot Plot", in which the plot can only function if the world population suddenly loses about 50 IQ points...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,649
    Scott_xP said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
    It's not unreasonable to assume though that when they voted for him, they expected him to act rationally.

    At what point is the implicit pact with the electorate null and void?
    Pre-election:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/15/trump-tariffs-price-hikes-warnings

    Donald Trump doubled down on his promise to levy tariffs on all imports in a bid to boost American manufacturing, a proposal that economists say would probably mean higher prices for consumers while angering US allies.

    “To me, the most beautiful word in the dictionary is ‘tariffs’,” Trump said in an often-combative conversation with John Micklethwait, editor-in-chief of Bloomberg News, at the Economic Club of Chicago on Tuesday. “It’s my favorite word.”

    Trump was grilled on the potential impacts of tariffs, and often dodged questions about the tangible impacts of the levies on inflation and geopolitics. Trump is proposing an at least 10% blanket tariff on all imports, with tariffs as high as 60% on goods from China.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,214
    Scott_xP said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
    It's not unreasonable to assume though that when they voted for him, they expected him to act rationally.

    At what point is the implicit pact with the electorate null and void?
    He is doing what he said he'd do.

    If the people expected Trump to act rationally then they've not been watching him the last ten years, and particularly the last four, since he lost in 2020.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,361
    edited April 7
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    As an aside, how do we expect the World Cup to go ?

    With or without a massive boycott ?
    Given we didn’t boycott Qatar over LGB issue or some other shit, aren’t they daggers drawn with the Saudi’s and Iran’s buddies, it’s unlikely we will boycott this one.

    I’m sure the pundits who hate Trumps America will put such mundanities aside and go anyway for the payday. As happened with Qatar.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,361

    Nigelb said:

    As an aside, how do we expect the World Cup to go ?

    I'd be a bit wary of going to play there, let alone watch.

    Not that, even allowing the Heard Islands to enter, would I be likely to play. Ever!
    Well it is also being played in Mexico and Canada so border crossing may be tricky. 😂
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,490
    I found this in the Guardian
    Police in the Brazilian state of São Paulo have uncovered that a judge spent 23 years working under a false identity – and a distinctly British one.

    Born José Eduardo Franco dos Reis – a name fairly typical in a country once colonised by Portugal – he entered law school and served for over two decades as a judge using the false name Edward Albert Lancelot Dodd Canterbury Caterham Wickfield.


    He's vanished, apparently. Can't be found under either identity.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979

    Scott_xP said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
    It's not unreasonable to assume though that when they voted for him, they expected him to act rationally.

    At what point is the implicit pact with the electorate null and void?
    He is doing what he said he'd do.
    He's not though

    He said the economy would be great if he was elected. He didn't say he would crash it
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,899

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
    Of course he shouldn't have stood and shouldn't have been elected, but still he is not well and it's not really fair to judge him.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,979
    President Trump would veto a bill introduced by Sens. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) that would limit the president's authority to unilaterally impose tariffs, according to a White House statement seen by Axios.

    Why it matters: In the midst of a potential trade war, Trump wants to ensure that the president retains full authority to tariff products entering America.

    "If passed, this bill would dangerously hamper the President's authority and duty to determine our foreign policy and protect our national security," according to a statement of administration policy that was sent to congressional offices today.
    "If S. 1272 were presented to the President, he would veto the bill."


    https://www.axios.com/2025/04/07/trump-veto-tariff-bill-grassley
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,231
    edited April 7
    If I've understood it right, most of Trump's tariffs have been set at a level which is the same as tariffs in the opposite direction. Why is that such a bad thing? Isn't it slightly odd that that wasn't already the situation beforehand.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,608
    17th of March.

    :D
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,899
    algarkirk said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    In that case the judgment falls on those around him who are allowing all this to happen, supporting him and cheering him on. This would include GOP's in Congress, and loads of others.
    Of course his Republican supporters are contemptible.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,412
    Lee Anderson laying into Reform when still a Conservative. Not one I have heard before.

    LEAKED AUDIO OF LEE ANDERSON MERCILESSLY CRITICISING REFORM UK

    "We are not taping this are we?"

    The audio from November 2023 involves Lee claiming:

    - Reform offered him A LOT of money to join💰
    - A vote for Reform is a vote for Labour 🔴
    - All Reform want is PR, they don't care about this country at all

    Lee later went on to stand for Reform UK at the 2024 general election

    https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1908965133688394150
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,374
    edited April 7
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    As an aside, how do we expect the World Cup to go ?

    With or without a massive boycott ?
    Given we didn’t boycott Qatar over LGB issue or some other shit, aren’t they daggers drawn with the Saudi’s and Iran’s buddies, it’s unlikely we will boycott this one.

    I’m sure the pundits who hate Trumps America will put such mundanities aside and go anyway for the payday. As happened with Qatar.
    They're held to a different standard.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,243
    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
    Of course he shouldn't have stood and shouldn't have been elected, but still he is not well and it's not really fair to judge him.
    I suspect that is the line his defence attorney will take when the time comes.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,899
    Scott_xP said:

    President Trump would veto a bill introduced by Sens. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) that would limit the president's authority to unilaterally impose tariffs, according to a White House statement seen by Axios.

    Why it matters: In the midst of a potential trade war, Trump wants to ensure that the president retains full authority to tariff products entering America.

    "If passed, this bill would dangerously hamper the President's authority and duty to determine our foreign policy and protect our national security," according to a statement of administration policy that was sent to congressional offices today.
    "If S. 1272 were presented to the President, he would veto the bill."


    https://www.axios.com/2025/04/07/trump-veto-tariff-bill-grassley

    As far as I understand, the president doesn't have any authority over tariffs at all. He's had to invoke an emergency powers act to impose these tariffs. That's the basis of the legal action against the tariffs. Or at least one of the bases.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,904

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
    Do you not think that a plain refusal to abide by the rule of law (eg Garcia and the El Salvador cases) delegitimises all the rest? Is there not an implied or explicit term in the deal that the POTUS acts within the constitution and the law?

    That's not to defend those who voted for him. They knew or should have known what he might do, though I suspect he has surprised on the downside.

    I think Trump's government has delegitimised itself, and is a proper target for a constitutionalist military rapid unscheduled disassembly.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,032

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329
    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    President Trump would veto a bill introduced by Sens. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) that would limit the president's authority to unilaterally impose tariffs, according to a White House statement seen by Axios.

    Why it matters: In the midst of a potential trade war, Trump wants to ensure that the president retains full authority to tariff products entering America.

    "If passed, this bill would dangerously hamper the President's authority and duty to determine our foreign policy and protect our national security," according to a statement of administration policy that was sent to congressional offices today.
    "If S. 1272 were presented to the President, he would veto the bill."


    https://www.axios.com/2025/04/07/trump-veto-tariff-bill-grassley

    As far as I understand, the president doesn't have any authority over tariffs at all. He's had to invoke an emergency powers act to impose these tariffs. That's the basis of the legal action against the tariffs. Or at least one of the bases.
    Congress voted to basically rubber stamp that for 12 months. So actually he now does.

    It would take another vote for them to reassert their constitutional power over the matter. Which Trump could use a presidential veto on.

    That's what I mean by his GOP "enablers".
  • isamisam Posts: 41,198
    Isn't it the case with Trump's action here, as well as the Brexit vote in 2016, that the majority of not that well off people prefer protectionism to the free market, and that clashes with the political orthodoxy to such an extent that most politicians, and people interested in politics, think it absolutely insane?

    Most poor Americans aren't long of shares, just as most poor British people had no hope of ever retiring to the EU, so the perceived downsides don't really bother them.

    Quite bizarrely I was chatting with an uber driver on Saturday night, who had just moved from Scunthorpe to Tilbury; he was originally from Bangladesh I think, and was telling me how the Chinese owner of the Steelworks pulling out was going to ruin the town. I compared it to the mines closing in the 80s. Sometimes it is probably better for governments to prop up industries, if not doing so puts people on benefits and destroys communities. I think Tucker Carlson made a similar point about keeping people in driving jobs even if it were cheaper to have driverless cars
  • eekeek Posts: 29,653
    Scott_xP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    If I've understood it right, most of Trump's tariffs have been set at a level which is the same as tariffs in the opposite direction. Why is that such a bad thing? Isn't it slightly odd that that wasn't already the situation beforehand.

    That's absolutely not what happened.

    The tariff rate was set based on balance of trade. Existing tariffs, if they existed at all, were not used in the calculations
    Nope the tariff rates were set based on balance of trade for physical goods. Which means that Britain did very well out of it as our 30% trade deficit with the US comes from us being very good at consultancy and not so good at making things where our balance of trade is roughly even.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,983
    algarkirk said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
    Do you not think that a plain refusal to abide by the rule of law (eg Garcia and the El Salvador cases) delegitimises all the rest? Is there not an implied or explicit term in the deal that the POTUS acts within the constitution and the law?

    That's not to defend those who voted for him. They knew or should have known what he might do, though I suspect he has surprised on the downside.

    I think Trump's government has delegitimised itself, and is a proper target for a constitutionalist military rapid unscheduled disassembly.
    You seem to be suggesting that the US descends into a full blown civil war !!!!!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,329
    Andy_JS said:

    If I've understood it right, most of Trump's tariffs have been set at a level which is the same as tariffs in the opposite direction. Why is that such a bad thing? Isn't it slightly odd that that wasn't already the situation beforehand.

    That was what was planned.
    Reportedly the administration spent weeks preparing the details, and Trump changed his mind the night before the announcement.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,653
    isam said:

    Isn't it the case with Trump's action here, as well as the Brexit vote in 2016, that the majority of not that well off people prefer protectionism to the free market, and that clashes with the political orthodoxy to such an extent that most politicians, and people interested in politics, think it absolutely insane?

    Most poor Americans aren't long of shares, just as most poor British people had no hope of ever retiring to the EU, so the perceived downsides don't really bother them.

    Quite bizarrely I was chatting with an uber driver on Saturday night, who had just moved from Scunthorpe to Tilbury; he was originally from Bangladesh I think, and was telling me how the Chinese owner of the Steelworks pulling out was going to ruin the town. I compared it to the mines closing in the 80s. Sometimes it is probably better for governments to prop up industries, if not doing so puts people on benefits and destroys communities. I think Tucker Carlson made a similar point about keeping people in driving jobs even if it were cheaper to have driverless cars

    Scunthorpe is different to even the mines - we need a certain amount of steel manufacturing going forward and the last place standing is Scunthorpe - I don't think we have any choice other than trying to keep it open..
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,608
    OllyT said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
    China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.

    The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,348
    Laurence D. Fink, chief executive of the giant asset manager BlackRock: Most Americans don’t understand the extent of how the tariffs will affect them.



    They are soon gonna find out though.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,169
    Andy_JS said:

    If I've understood it right, most of Trump's tariffs have been set at a level which is the same as tariffs in the opposite direction. Why is that such a bad thing? Isn't it slightly odd that that wasn't already the situation beforehand.

    It is done on trade gap not tariffs.

    Take Madagascar. It produces loads of vanilla*, enough for 80% of the world. The USA buys its share, the Madagascans don't have the wealth to buy the same amount of US goods back. So vanilla exported to the USA gets hit with massive tariffs. There is nothing Madagascar can offer in return, so US consumers will have to pay more for vanilla.

    It makes no sense whatsoever.

    * The spice not the web hosting platform....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,490

    eek said:

    isam said:

    Isn't it the case with Trump's action here, as well as the Brexit vote in 2016, that the majority of not that well off people prefer protectionism to the free market, and that clashes with the political orthodoxy to such an extent that most politicians, and people interested in politics, think it absolutely insane?

    Most poor Americans aren't long of shares, just as most poor British people had no hope of ever retiring to the EU, so the perceived downsides don't really bother them.

    Quite bizarrely I was chatting with an uber driver on Saturday night, who had just moved from Scunthorpe to Tilbury; he was originally from Bangladesh I think, and was telling me how the Chinese owner of the Steelworks pulling out was going to ruin the town. I compared it to the mines closing in the 80s. Sometimes it is probably better for governments to prop up industries, if not doing so puts people on benefits and destroys communities. I think Tucker Carlson made a similar point about keeping people in driving jobs even if it were cheaper to have driverless cars

    Scunthorpe is different to even the mines - we need a certain amount of steel manufacturing going forward and the last place standing is Scunthorpe - I don't think we have any choice other than trying to keep it open..
    We are supposed to be rearming. It would be utter madness to allow the last steel production plant to close.
    I've 'liked' this, although I suppose if one is Chinese......
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,899

    OllyT said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
    China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.
    You're joking.

    If the Chinese are trying to undermine the West, they must be down on their knees thanking Heaven for Trump.

    You really are quite unbelievably clueless.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,169

    algarkirk said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
    Do you not think that a plain refusal to abide by the rule of law (eg Garcia and the El Salvador cases) delegitimises all the rest? Is there not an implied or explicit term in the deal that the POTUS acts within the constitution and the law?

    That's not to defend those who voted for him. They knew or should have known what he might do, though I suspect he has surprised on the downside.

    I think Trump's government has delegitimised itself, and is a proper target for a constitutionalist military rapid unscheduled disassembly.
    You seem to be suggesting that the US descends into a full blown civil war !!!!!!
    It could already be described as in a cold civil war perhaps.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 84
    Scott_xP said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @newseye.bsky.social‬

    Trump refuses to introduce Senators Adam Schiff and Alex Padilla.

    No man has ever been this small.

    https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lmacrthpo22e

    I loathe the man based on his attitudes and actions in the past, but seriously he is not well mentally, and it's not really fair to judge him on what he is doing now.
    He was elected five months ago and sworn in less than three months ago. If he wasn't well - and he's not deteriorated that far that fast - he shouldn't have stood, or shouldn't have been elected. But he did and he was. The man in office is the man the American people chose to govern them, character, attitude and all.
    It's not unreasonable to assume though that when they voted for him, they expected him to act rationally.

    At what point is the implicit pact with the electorate null and void?
    Wrong. He is doing what he said. His supporters are happy..for now.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,381
    isam said:

    Isn't it the case with Trump's action here, as well as the Brexit vote in 2016, that the majority of not that well off people prefer protectionism to the free market, and that clashes with the political orthodoxy to such an extent that most politicians, and people interested in politics, think it absolutely insane?

    Most poor Americans aren't long of shares, just as most poor British people had no hope of ever retiring to the EU, so the perceived downsides don't really bother them.

    Quite bizarrely I was chatting with an uber driver on Saturday night, who had just moved from Scunthorpe to Tilbury; he was originally from Bangladesh I think, and was telling me how the Chinese owner of the Steelworks pulling out was going to ruin the town. I compared it to the mines closing in the 80s. Sometimes it is probably better for governments to prop up industries, if not doing so puts people on benefits and destroys communities. I think Tucker Carlson made a similar point about keeping people in driving jobs even if it were cheaper to have driverless cars

    The problem is going for protectionist solutions (Brexit, Trump) often ends up hurting the working class more than the liberal, middle class in the end (e.g. lawyers, bankers etc. have been less impacted by Brexit than SMEs who export products to the EU).
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,899
    Nigelb said:

    Chris said:

    Scott_xP said:

    President Trump would veto a bill introduced by Sens. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) and Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) that would limit the president's authority to unilaterally impose tariffs, according to a White House statement seen by Axios.

    Why it matters: In the midst of a potential trade war, Trump wants to ensure that the president retains full authority to tariff products entering America.

    "If passed, this bill would dangerously hamper the President's authority and duty to determine our foreign policy and protect our national security," according to a statement of administration policy that was sent to congressional offices today.
    "If S. 1272 were presented to the President, he would veto the bill."


    https://www.axios.com/2025/04/07/trump-veto-tariff-bill-grassley

    As far as I understand, the president doesn't have any authority over tariffs at all. He's had to invoke an emergency powers act to impose these tariffs. That's the basis of the legal action against the tariffs. Or at least one of the bases.
    Congress voted to basically rubber stamp that for 12 months. So actually he now does.

    It would take another vote for them to reassert their constitutional power over the matter. Which Trump could use a presidential veto on.

    That's what I mean by his GOP "enablers".
    Maybe what I've read is wrong.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,075

    OllyT said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
    China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.

    The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
    Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,419
    Rumours of US/Israeli war against Iran….

    Would serve to distract
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,608

    OllyT said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
    China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.

    The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
    Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
    Where would you suggest one should wash it?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,449

    OllyT said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
    China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.

    The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
    Some evocative words. Surely though China is simply doing what's best for its people. (Perhaps perceived through an odd glass)

    There are countless examples of China not really playing by the rules, but many where they have.



  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,348
    Leon said:

    Rumours of US/Israeli war against Iran….

    Would serve to distract

    No surprise. I was expecting some kind of distraction to be engineered shortly.

    It is classic Trump: how to we divert the TV shows onto something else?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,368
    Leon said:

    Rumours of US/Israeli war against Iran….

    Would serve to distract

    The B2 bombers are all on Diego Garcia...
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,449
    Leon said:

    Rumours of US/Israeli war against Iran….

    Would serve to distract

    To my mind Israel and Iran should actually be the strongest of allies. Either I'm wrong, or religion dulls the minds. I don't think I'm wrong.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,983

    OllyT said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
    China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.

    The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
    Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
    Where would you suggest one should wash it?
    Don't wash it - cook it correctly
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,075

    OllyT said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
    China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.

    The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
    Yes but you wash chicken in the sink
    Where would you suggest one should wash it?
    The bath perhaps
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,608
    Omnium said:

    OllyT said:

    nico67 said:

    So Trumps allowed to hammer China but they’re not allowed to respond . If the Chinese don’t back down or some agreement is reached then the markets are going to completely implode .

    I never thought I would be on the side of China, but I hope they fuck Trumpistan until the blood runs out of Trump’s arse.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing. Thank goodness there is one country willing & able to face the bully down. I'm cheering them on (for the time being at least).
    China has been on a decades long mission to undermine our economy as well as America's. To do this they have employed every tactic from sharp business practice to outright theft. It is high time they were faced down, and I am glad that someone has come in with the balls to do it.

    The UK actually trades very little with China, but as Malmesbury was explaining, our tariff relationship is completely unbalanced due to the Foreign Office's fear of 'upsetting' them. Well, bugger them.
    Some evocative words. Surely though China is simply doing what's best for its people. (Perhaps perceived through an odd glass)

    There are countless examples of China not really playing by the rules, but many where they have.

    China may or may not be doing what is best for its own people (though perhaps the advancement of its own state power would be a more accurate phrase), but it is clearly not doing what is best for our people, or for Americans.

    Therefore, whilst its own aggressive posture may be understandable, our pathetic, servile, demoralised acquiescence is not.

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,449

    Leon said:

    Rumours of US/Israeli war against Iran….

    Would serve to distract

    The B2 bombers are all on Diego Garcia...
    Is that actually true? All of them?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,348
    "One of the Conservatives’ biggest donors has stopped funding the party in a move insiders believe will result in the closure of its northern HQ, the Guardian can reveal.

    Richard Harpin, the founder of home repairs business HomeServe, has ended his donations to the Conservatives, according to two Tory sources."

    Guardian
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