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  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,079
    Nigelb said:

    The US isn't an autocracy yet, despite Trump's tendencies, and the readiness of his party to facilitate them.

    China isn't exactly a pure autocracy, either, though it's gone most of the way under Xi.
    Yes it's nuanced.

    I'm arguing in black and white for simplicity. But it isn't simple.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,937
    Nigelb said:

    The US isn't an autocracy yet, despite Trump's tendencies, and the readiness of his party to facilitate them.

    China isn't exactly a pure autocracy, either, though it's gone most of the way under Xi.
    Various terms are bandied about and often used incorrectly.

    - Authoritarian: lots of countries
    - Autocracy: means one person in control
    - Dictatorship: ditto but with absolute power
    - Totalitarian: leadership can be either individual or by a group/junta

    I would describe China as an authoritarian state with totalitarian tendencies, that is not a full autocracy yet but on the way to being one.

    Whereas Hungary is an authoritarian autocracy that’s not totalitarian or a dictatorship. Likewise Turkey.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,273

    Point of order, Singapore is Partly Free, according to Freedom House, whereas the UAE is classed as Not Free.
    Scores are Singapore 48/100 versus UAE 18/100.
    Compare 84/100 for USA and 92/100 for Blighty.

    China is down at 9/100.

    https://freedomhouse.org/country/china
    https://freedomhouse.org/country/singapore
    https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-arab-emirates
    https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-kingdom
    https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-states
    Their summary of Singapore

    "Singapore’s parliamentary political system has been dominated by the ruling People’s Action Party (PAP) and the family of current prime minister Lee Hsien Loong since 1959. The electoral and legal framework that the PAP has constructed allows for some political pluralism, but it constrains the growth of credible opposition parties and limits freedoms of expression, assembly, and association."

    In NOTA speak, thats an autocracy.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569

    Point of order, Singapore is Partly Free, according to Freedom House, whereas the UAE is classed as Not Free.
    Scores are Singapore 48/100 versus UAE 18/100.
    Compare 84/100 for USA and 92/100 for Blighty.

    China is down at 9/100.

    https://freedomhouse.org/country/china
    https://freedomhouse.org/country/singapore
    https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-arab-emirates
    https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-kingdom
    https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-states
    UAE is, I understand, a good place to live if you're either an Emirati citizen or a European (or American) expat worker.
    Otherwise......... no, thanks
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,458
    Cyclefree said:

    That is not the problem in the U.K. The problem is that we have, for far too long, had low expectations of those in charge. We have tolerated - and far too often rewarded - the incompetent, the malign, the self-serving, the dishonest, the unprofessional. We have allowed people in charge of public services to put their personal interests first or to treat the public sector as something to be plundered for profit without in return providing the quality of service we ought to expect. We have refused to hold leaders meaningfully accountable for their actions and failures to act. We have covered up gross incompetence and malfeasance and done everything possible to avoid providing effective compensation for those harmed by this.

    And the result is that we have second and third rate public services, leaders who think only about what they can take rather than what they can give to those whom they are meant to serve and when any of this is pointed out to those who fail us we have to endure a load of self-pitying whining and laughable excuses. If anything works in this country it is down to those who do try to behave professionally and with some degree of responsibility and honesty and who, frankly, do not get properly recognised or rewarded.

    Pointing this out is not putting people in the stocks or being mean-spirited. It is necessary and long overdue if we are even to begin changing this for the better.

    We should expect and demand better.
    Beware the hounds of self righteousness. You never know what's around the corner


  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,323
    edited April 5
    Sean_F said:

    The US is not *yet* an autocracy. If it becomes one under Trump, we can safely assume that it will become not just less free but also less competently run.

    But, if you do want worked examples of efficiency/inefficiency, in terms of outcomes between democracies and autocracies, compare:

    East v West Germany; North v South Korea; China v Taiwan; just about anywhere in Eastern Europe under Communism v Eastern Europe after 1991. Indonesia under Sukarno/Suharto, and Indonesia as a democracy.
    Comparing the 2 biggest countries in the world: India and China had similar GDP per capita until the 90s. Now China's GDP per capita is 5 times bigger than India's.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,273

    UAE is, I understand, a good place to live if you're either an Emirati citizen or a European (or American) expat worker.
    Otherwise......... no, thanks
    Lots of people from Asia also like living there, depends on their job and employer.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,937
    15 minutes to takeoff on United UA17, and I’m already getting irritated by the little microaggressions.

    Like travellers joshing loudly and performatively with the cabin crew, and the fact they insist on calling the main course in menus the “Entree”.

    At least there’s no expectation of 30% tips on a flight.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674

    Unfree in what sense?
    https://freedomhouse.org/country/china

    "China’s authoritarian regime has become increasingly repressive in recent years. The ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP) continues to tighten control over all aspects of life and governance, including the state bureaucracy, the media, online speech, religious practice, universities, businesses, and civil society associations."

    https://freedomhouse.org/country/china/freedom-world/2024

    "Was the current head of government or other chief national authority elected through free and fair elections?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Were the current national legislative representatives elected through free and fair elections?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Are the electoral laws and framework fair, and are they implemented impartially by the relevant election management bodies?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Do the people have the right to organize in different political parties or other competitive political groupings of their choice, and is the system free of undue obstacles to the rise and fall of these competing parties or groupings?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Is there a realistic opportunity for the opposition to increase its support or gain power through elections?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Are the people’s political choices free from domination by forces that are external to the political sphere, or by political forces that employ extrapolitical means?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Do various segments of the population (including ethnic, racial, religious, gender, LGBT+, and other relevant groups) have full political rights and electoral opportunities?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Do the freely elected head of government and national legislative representatives determine the policies of the government?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Are safeguards against official corruption strong and effective?"
    Score = 1/4

    "Does the government operate with openness and transparency?"
    Score = 0/4
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,548

    Probably not a popular opinion here, but private schools are another reason much of the establishment think there are different sets of rules for the elite and the rest.
    Public schools, certainly.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    TimS said:

    15 minutes to takeoff on United UA17, and I’m already getting irritated by the little microaggressions.

    Like travellers joshing loudly and performatively with the cabin crew, and the fact they insist on calling the main course in menus the “Entree”.

    At least there’s no expectation of 30% tips on a flight.

    Good Luck!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,548

    ON TOPIC:

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

    House of Lords = House of Unelected Has-Beens!

    Spielman is not a has been, she’s a never was.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    edited April 5

    Lots of people from Asia also like living there, depends on their job and employer.
    Yes, should have included them with the Europeans & Americans. Depends, as you say, on job and place on the social scale.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674

    Lots of people from Asia also like living there, depends on their job and employer.
    https://www.climatechangenews.com/2024/11/26/rights-group-alleges-abusive-conditions-for-migrant-workers-at-uae-renewable-projects/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    .
    pm215 said:

    Do you think there's a difference between "autocracy, but the leader is on a ten year term and everybody knows it'll be someone different after that" and the more common straight-up "autocracy, same guy indefinitely" ? Or is it much of a muchness?
    The former implies a mechanism to remove and replace them, so it's limited autocracy.

    Same guy indefinitely means that other sources of political power have been extinguished. Which in turn means greater fear of, and compliance with the ruler's wishes.

    China is a fair example, as Xi has steadily eroded the status of institutions independent of his direct control, as he moves China from the first category to the second.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,644
    TimS said:

    15 minutes to takeoff on United UA17, and I’m already getting irritated by the little microaggressions.

    Like travellers joshing loudly and performatively with the cabin crew, and the fact they insist on calling the main course in menus the “Entree”.

    At least there’s no expectation of 30% tips on a flight.

    You are forgetting the additional 10% tariff on tips.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,273

    https://www.climatechangenews.com/2024/11/26/rights-group-alleges-abusive-conditions-for-migrant-workers-at-uae-renewable-projects/
    Indians alone are 38% of the population in UAE. Some of have it great, some have it good, some have it bad, some have it very bad. My point was it not just Emiratis and Europeans who enjoy life there.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,360
    ydoethur said:

    Spielman is not a has been, she’s a never was.
    If only...

    (In terms of getting top jobs. I'm not calling for her existence to never have happened.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733

    On infrastructure we manage to change our mind a bit too often.....
    Or not make up our mind in the first place.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    "@EuropeElects

    Germany, INSA poll:

    CDU/CSU-EPP: 24% (-3)
    AfD-ESN: 24%
    SPD-S&D: 16%
    GRÜNE-G/EFA: 11% (-1)
    LINKE-LEFT: 11%
    FDP-RE: 4%
    BSW-NI: 4% (-1)

    +/- vs. 28-31 March 2025

    Fieldwork: 31 March-4 April 2025
    Sample size: 1,206"

    https://x.com/EuropeElects/status/1908472338774966726
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674

    Indians alone are 38% of the population in UAE. Some of have it great, some have it good, some have it bad, some have it very bad. My point was it not just Emiratis and Europeans who enjoy life there.
    https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-arab-emirates

    "The United Arab Emirates (UAE) is a federation of seven emirates. Limited elections are held for a federal advisory body, but political parties are banned, and all executive, legislative, and judicial authority ultimately rests with the seven hereditary rulers. The civil liberties of both citizens and noncitizens are subject to significant restrictions."

    https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-arab-emirates/freedom-world/2024

    "Was the current head of government or other chief national authority elected through free and fair elections?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Were the current national legislative representatives elected through free and fair elections?"
    Score = 1/4

    "Are the electoral laws and framework fair, and are they implemented impartially by the relevant election management bodies?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Do the people have the right to organize in different political parties or other competitive political groupings of their choice, and is the system free of undue obstacles to the rise and fall of these competing parties or groupings?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Is there a realistic opportunity for the opposition to increase its support or gain power through elections?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Are the people’s political choices free from domination by forces that are external to the political sphere, or by political forces that employ extrapolitical means?"
    Score = 1/4

    "Do various segments of the population (including ethnic, racial, religious, gender, LGBT+, and other relevant groups) have full political rights and electoral opportunities?"
    Score = 1/4

    "Do the freely elected head of government and national legislative representatives determine the policies of the government?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Are safeguards against official corruption strong and effective?"
    Score = 2/4

    "Does the government operate with openness and transparency?"
    Score = 0/4
  • isamisam Posts: 41,329
    edited April 5
    Quite a brave image to go with from Labour in the era of blackface cancellations. It’s not blackface, but is in the ball park I think, especially as it’s only half the face that isn’t Farage, the clothes are his



    https://x.com/uklabour/status/1908464212336050533?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,273

    https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-arab-emirates

    "The United Arab Emirates (UAE) is a federation of seven emirates. Limited elections are held for a federal advisory body, but political parties are banned, and all executive, legislative, and judicial authority ultimately rests with the seven hereditary rulers. The civil liberties of both citizens and noncitizens are subject to significant restrictions."

    https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-arab-emirates/freedom-world/2024

    "Was the current head of government or other chief national authority elected through free and fair elections?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Were the current national legislative representatives elected through free and fair elections?"
    Score = 1/4

    "Are the electoral laws and framework fair, and are they implemented impartially by the relevant election management bodies?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Do the people have the right to organize in different political parties or other competitive political groupings of their choice, and is the system free of undue obstacles to the rise and fall of these competing parties or groupings?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Is there a realistic opportunity for the opposition to increase its support or gain power through elections?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Are the people’s political choices free from domination by forces that are external to the political sphere, or by political forces that employ extrapolitical means?"
    Score = 1/4

    "Do various segments of the population (including ethnic, racial, religious, gender, LGBT+, and other relevant groups) have full political rights and electoral opportunities?"
    Score = 1/4

    "Do the freely elected head of government and national legislative representatives determine the policies of the government?"
    Score = 0/4

    "Are safeguards against official corruption strong and effective?"
    Score = 2/4

    "Does the government operate with openness and transparency?"
    Score = 0/4
    Lots of number but is there a point you are trying to make? I listed the UAE as an autocracy so the above is all to be expected.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    isam said:

    Quite a brave image to go with from Labour in the era of blackface cancellations. It’s not blackface, but is in the ball park I think, especially as it’s only half the face that isn’t Farage, the clothes are his



    https://x.com/uklabour/status/1908464212336050533?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Labour sort of did it with Maggie T and Willie Hague back in 2001!

    image
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,273
    ydoethur said:

    Whichever they were trying to do, @isam is right it's a dumb idea.
    It might work a bit better with a light dividing line down the middle and Kemi in her own clothes.

    And probably much better would be merging Farage with Trump at the moment and go for orange face.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    ydoethur said:

    Whichever they were trying to do, @isam is right it's a dumb idea.
    And it certainly doesn't look good.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,591
    TimS said:

    15 minutes to takeoff on United UA17, and I’m already getting irritated by the little microaggressions.

    Like travellers joshing loudly and performatively with the cabin crew, and the fact they insist on calling the main course in menus the “Entree”.

    At least there’s no expectation of 30% tips on a flight.

    Just thank the Lord you're English. It's a blessing of which we are generally unaware, except when engulfed by foreigners.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    That was Jim Clark. Verstappen over the course of the last 75 years would be fortunate to make the top 20.
    I used to have a Jim Clark racing car (small, hand held) that used to go up and down our hall of our army quarters in my hand. His was the first death that really shocked me when I was about 7. I was distraught.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,548
    The only good thing about being a Gloucestershire supporter this morning is at least it means I'm not a Yorkshire supporter.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,591

    Labour sort of did it with Maggie T and Willie Hague back in 2001!

    image
    The most flattering image of Little Billy since his precocious advent at the Tory conference in 1977.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,717
    Scott_xP said:

    When Ted Cruz is the voice of reason...

    Republican senator Ted Cruz warned of a potential “bloodbath” for his party in the 2026 midterm elections if Donald Trump’s tariffs send the US economy into recession.

    The senator from Texas also predicted a “terrible” fate for the world’s largest economy should a full-blown trade war erupt and Trump’s tariffs, as well as any retaliatory measures on US goods, stay in place long-term.

    Republican lawmakers have begun to worry about the effects of Trump’s tariffs on the economy and their party’s prospects for keeping control of both chambers of Congress in the 2026 midterm elections. Their concerns grew as Americans watched about $5.4tn of stock market capitalisation evaporate over a two-day Wall Street rout.

    On Thursday, Republican Chuck Grassley introduced a bill in the Senate, alongside a Democrat, to reassert Congressional control of tariff policy. Under the proposed law, new levies would expire in 60 days unless approved by Congress, and there would be a mechanism for lawmakers to cancel tariffs at any point.


    https://www.ft.com/content/00ee505e-57bb-4272-8b51-09ebb67dc5ee

    I have a soft spot for Cruz, because the first sentence one of his daughters ever said was “I like butter”. Senators are more independent creatures than representatives. Cruz doesn’t face another election for 6 years. Will we see Republicans in the House start to shift?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    Leon said:

    At this point, anyone who still maintains there's a good chance it came from the market and not the lab is a flailing idiot who can't handle information

    "'The French Academy of Medicine voted almost unanimously--97% to 3%--to say we believe SARS-CoV-2 originated from a lab error and precautions must be taken in the future,' revealed Professor Jean-François Delfraissy in a press conference April 2, 2025."

    So, yeah, you. Idiot

    https://x.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1907452384135070199
    And they merit respect, the French Academy of Medicine. Plenty of serious opinion (in addition to yours) does favour lab leak. Plenty also favours market. And there's a third strand (and here I include myself) which takes the view that there's no clinching evidence either way. I hope it does get resolved one day. I guess we can agree on that at least.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    Labour leaflet for locals through the door.

    Seems to be mainly about potholes.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    "Trying to squash every bilateral balance to zero through brute-force tariffs is to levy taxes on international trade exactly where it provides the most benefits to Americans. Yet, this is what Trump's tariff numbers are designed to do."

    https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2025/trumps-tariffs-are-designed-maximum-damage-america
  • PJHPJH Posts: 815

    A putative Chinese equivalent to PB.com would be TOTALLY FUCKING BORING!

    "And in this week's Opinion Poll, the Chinese Communist Party achieved 99.9% approval! Exactly the same as last week's poll!"
    "And that Amanda Spielman was an excellent head of OFSTED and fully deserves her election to the Standing Committee"
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    .

    Are they trying to make Reform look bad by association with the Tories, or the Tories look bad by association with Reform? Or both?
    Yes.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    ydoethur said:

    The only good thing about being a Gloucestershire supporter this morning is at least it means I'm not a Yorkshire supporter.

    It'd quite good being an Essex supporter this morning, although as Mrs C always wisely says, we haven't seen (whoever the opposition is) bat yet!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,132

    "Trying to squash every bilateral balance to zero through brute-force tariffs is to levy taxes on international trade exactly where it provides the most benefits to Americans. Yet, this is what Trump's tariff numbers are designed to do."

    https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2025/trumps-tariffs-are-designed-maximum-damage-america

    Yup

    Apple, recently the most valuable company in the World, has exactly the supply chain that will be maximally hit by tariffs.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    Scott_xP said:

    Yup

    Apple, recently the most valuable company in the World, has exactly the supply chain that will be maximally hit by tariffs.
    Was anyone from Apple at Trumps inauguration?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,810
    Sean_F said:

    The US is not *yet* an autocracy. If it becomes one under Trump, we can safely assume that it will become not just less free but also less competently run.

    But, if you do want worked examples of efficiency/inefficiency, in terms of outcomes between democracies and autocracies, compare:

    East v West Germany; North v South Korea; China v Taiwan; just about anywhere in Eastern Europe under Communism v Eastern Europe after 1991. Indonesia under Sukarno/Suharto, and Indonesia as a democracy.
    Autocracies sometimes work ok before they become autocracies, ie a strong leader gets things done and has success, then it goes to their head, they get to thinking they should hold power indefinitely, and the rot sets in. There are several examples of this.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,132

    Was anyone from Apple at Trumps inauguration?
    Note sure if Tim Apple (sic) was there, but he did donate $1m to Trump
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,548
    edited April 5

    It'd quite good being an Essex supporter this morning, although as Mrs C always wisely says, we haven't seen (whoever the opposition is) bat yet!
    Essex are just getting Surrey for us.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    Just thank the Lord you're English. It's a blessing of which we are generally unaware, except when engulfed by foreigners.
    but in spite of all temptations
    to belong to other nations,
    he remains an englishman!
    he remains an englishman!
    all.
    for in spite of all temptations
    to belong to other nations,
    he remains an englishman!
    he remains an englishman!

    Hurrah!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,673
    I have stuck a tenner on Bravermansgame to win the Grand National today.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,673

    I would make gongs the sole preserve of nominated recipients for their selfless work for the greater public benefit.

    Not for sportsmen. Nor luvvies. Not for ex-MPs. And certainly not for civil servants. Time-servers in paid employment reluctant to take a decision because it might impact on their getting letters after their name is one of the curses that goes down the ages. End it now.

    I agree with this.

    Coincidentally I'd deserve a hereditary Dukedom for running PB.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548

    I have stuck a tenner on Bravermansgame to win the Grand National today.

    I'm on Perceval Legallois.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,548
    edited April 5

    I have stuck a tenner on Bravermansgame to win the Grand National today.

    Will you rw andan over your cash credit card details?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    I agree with this.

    Coincidentally I'd deserve a hereditary Dukedom for running PB.
    At least.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,548

    I'm on Perceval Legallois.

    #Well, good luck, I hope you have an easy ride.

    I gather the Chair's a bastard in dry conditions so go safely.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    Scott_xP said:

    Note sure if Tim Apple (sic) was there, but he did donate $1m to Trump
    BBC says he was there.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263

    Just thank the Lord you're English. It's a blessing of which we are generally unaware, except when engulfed by foreigners.
    It's a glorious day in Britain. Who would want to be anywhere else when the weather is so fine, and the blossom out?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    Why are actors held in such contempt that they merit the derisive “luvvies”? It’s hard to see what they’ve, as a group, done wrong and it’s one of the few remaining fields of endeavour that these islands remain an undisputed global leader in. Actor expresses opinion. So what?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,673
    DavidL said:

    At least.
    Talking about titles, at university I did serious consideration about applying for a job at the Foreign Office.

    I really wanted the title 'Your Excellency' and the GCMG honour (God Calls Me God) but I realised I would make more money in the private sector.

    In an alternative universe I am His Majesty's Most Excellent Ambassador and Plenipotentiary to France or the United States.

    I often wonder about the road not travelled.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    Foxy said:

    It's a glorious day in Britain. Who would want to be anywhere else when the weather is so fine, and the blossom out?
    Those who suffer from hayfever
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    Talking about titles, at university I did serious consideration about applying for a job at the Foreign Office.

    I really wanted the title 'Your Excellency' and the GCMG honour (God Calls Me God) but I realised I would make more money in the private sector.

    In an alternative universe I am His Majesty's Most Excellent Ambassador and Plenipotentiary to France or the United States.

    I often wonder about the road not travelled.
    They gave one to Daniel Craig because James Bond had one IIRC
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,079
    edited April 5
    kinabalu said:

    Autocracies sometimes work ok before they become autocracies, ie a strong leader gets things done and has success, then it goes to their head, they get to thinking they should hold power indefinitely, and the rot sets in. There are several examples of this.
    Maggie.
    Tony.

    Hubris
  • vikvik Posts: 248
    edited April 5
    algarkirk said:

    I don't care much what they do with the second chamber except for one thing. There should only be one elected decision making body - ie the House of Commons. To have two or more such outfits sets the country against itself.

    An added and increasingly obvious benefit of the position the House of Commons holds is that it is very much harder for a charismatic psychopath to take the sort of control that is occurring in the USA. The powers of a single president are of course reinforced by having a mandate. The UK mandate belongs to 650 MPs, the PM has no less and no more than being one of those. The Lords has wisdom but no mandate. Keep it that way.
    An elected second chamber would be very helpful to curb a charismatic but autocratic UK Prime Minister, if the second chamber is elected using a different and more proportional electoral system.

    For example, Margaret Thatcher had a huge Commons majority with only 42% of the vote in the 1987 election. Her Community Charge was opposed by both Labour & the Alliance, and if there had been a 2nd chamber elected using PR, then the Upper House would have been able to block her from implementing it.

    The elected second chamber can also be used to give greater political power to Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland.

    In Australia, the government usually lacks a majority in the Senate because it is elected using PR & each of the 6 States have an equal number of Senators. This is very helpful to push governments towards pursuing centrist and moderate policies.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806
    Foxy said:

    It's a glorious day in Britain. Who would want to be anywhere else when the weather is so fine, and the blossom out?
    Me. Because, although it is pissing down in Almaty, Kazahstan, from the window of my modernised late-Soviet apartment in downtown I can see the extraordinary skyline of the Tien Shan mountains - they are so close they practically loom over the Opera House

    And tomorrow the rain breaks and a warm sunny spell begins. Spring in the Tien Shan mountains! Imagine! The Alpine lakes, the incredible canyons, the vastness and the grandeur...

    Also, Almaty unexpectedly has a real buzz and some great cafes and bars, and life is short, and I want to see EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,673

    I'm on Perceval Legallois.

    Good luck, my tips are usually glue by the end of the day.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,985
    ydoethur said:

    The only good thing about being a Gloucestershire supporter this morning is at least it means I'm not a Yorkshire supporter.

    As a Worcestershire supporter, I envy you both.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    Labour leaflet for locals through the door.

    Seems to be mainly about potholes.

    Oh, for those happy, halcyon days when there was only 4000 holes in Blackburn Lancashire. Didn't know they were living.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,481
    Betting Post

    F1: backed Albon to beat Tsunoda and Hadjar at 2.87.
    https://morrisf1.blogspot.com/2025/04/japanese-grand-prix-2025-pre-race.html
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    DougSeal said:

    Those who suffer from hayfever
    There is that.

    Big match for the Tractor boys today.

    Best of luck. Leicester are totally doomed if not mathematically certain yet. We haven't scored a home goal since December, and no clean sheets either...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806
    isam said:

    Quite a brave image to go with from Labour in the era of blackface cancellations. It’s not blackface, but is in the ball park I think, especially as it’s only half the face that isn’t Farage, the clothes are his



    https://x.com/uklabour/status/1908464212336050533?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Good grief. That's awful in so many ways
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    Talking about titles, at university I did serious consideration about applying for a job at the Foreign Office.

    I really wanted the title 'Your Excellency' and the GCMG honour (God Calls Me God) but I realised I would make more money in the private sector.

    In an alternative universe I am His Majesty's Most Excellent Ambassador and Plenipotentiary to France or the United States.

    I often wonder about the road not travelled.
    My wife is a great fan of the Midnight Library. On balance it seems to suggest that contentment with the road you did travel is the better way to happiness.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806
    kinabalu said:

    And they merit respect, the French Academy of Medicine. Plenty of serious opinion (in addition to yours) does favour lab leak. Plenty also favours market. And there's a third strand (and here I include myself) which takes the view that there's no clinching evidence either way. I hope it does get resolved one day. I guess we can agree on that at least.
    At this point anyone who thinks this is "kinda 50/50" or "we can't really know, so why bother" is so dumb it's not worth engaging. So I am happy to yield. Believe what you like, if it consoles you
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,079
    Leon said:

    Me. Because, although it is pissing down in Almaty, Kazahstan, from the window of my modernised late-Soviet apartment in downtown I can see the extraordinary skyline of the Tien Shan mountains - they are so close they practically loom over the Opera House

    And tomorrow the rain breaks and a warm sunny spell begins. Spring in the Tien Shan mountains! Imagine! The Alpine lakes, the incredible canyons, the vastness and the grandeur...

    Also, Almaty unexpectedly has a real buzz and some great cafes and bars, and life is short, and I want to see EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD
    Book a flight to the ISS (and back). You'll see everything in the world in 90 minutes. Costs about $50 million. Take binoculars.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Leon said:

    Good grief. That's awful in so many ways
    Tie's a bit squint for a start.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806
    TimS said:

    15 minutes to takeoff on United UA17, and I’m already getting irritated by the little microaggressions.

    Like travellers joshing loudly and performatively with the cabin crew, and the fact they insist on calling the main course in menus the “Entree”.

    At least there’s no expectation of 30% tips on a flight.

    This entire discourse of yours, today, is one long humblebrag designed to tell us, *subtly*, that you are flying in Business

    "I'm just off to the Maple Leaf Lounge to annoy Trump", "the menu says Entrees", etc

    However I cannot critcise because I do this endlessly myself
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,291
    ydoethur said:

    I apologise to @viewcode for the length.

    In my defence, there is a *lot* to say...

    Ahem. I don't impose limits, I measure them.

    OGH used to impose a 800 word limit, although this was not imposed on Cyclefree. Her articles came in around the 1200 word mark, for which she was teased. 1200 became known as "the Cyclefree limit". Then I did one around 1400 mark (1400="the Viewcode limit"). Arguments went back and forth until Ydoethur published one around 1800 (1800="the Ydoethur limit"), at which point word limits became pointless. The current limiting factor is the tolerance of the mods.

    This article is around the 1600 mark and is well within the Ydoethur limit
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263

    I'm on Perceval Legallois.

    Looks a reasonable tip. I have put a beer token on e/w.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    isam said:

    Quite a brave image to go with from Labour in the era of blackface cancellations. It’s not blackface, but is in the ball park I think, especially as it’s only half the face that isn’t Farage, the clothes are his



    https://x.com/uklabour/status/1908464212336050533?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Labour Comms are truly incompetent in so many ways.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,829
    Leon said:

    Good grief. That's awful in so many ways
    It's tragic. And oddly reassuring about voting either Tory or Reform.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,707
    DougSeal said:

    Why are actors held in such contempt that they merit the derisive “luvvies”? It’s hard to see what they’ve, as a group, done wrong and it’s one of the few remaining fields of endeavour that these islands remain an undisputed global leader in. Actor expresses opinion. So what?

    Eloquent naivety is irritating.

    (Why actors tend to have airhead views is more interesting. In theory their understanding of the human condition should be strong - perhaps it comes from not understanding the difference between anecdotes and policy).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,317
    Leon said:

    This entire discourse of yours, today, is one long humblebrag designed to tell us, *subtly*, that you are flying in Business

    "I'm just off to the Maple Leaf Lounge to annoy Trump", "the menu says Entrees", etc

    However I cannot critcise because I do this endlessly myself
    Ooh someone stealing your thunder and there's a hint of petty irritation from you.

    @TimS 's little narrative has been less of a "brag" and more of an observation of the moment. His reservations about transiting through the US and flying with an American carrier, offset by his supporting the Canadian transit lounge. It has been quite an interesting little story. You see it as a "brag" because that is how you roll.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,263
    carnforth said:

    Eloquent naivety is irritating.

    (Why actors tend to have airhead views is more interesting. In theory their understanding of the human condition should be strong - perhaps it comes from not understanding the difference between anecdotes and policy).
    Not all actors are airheads. I think it more that there is resentment of success in the UK.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806

    Ooh someone stealing your thunder and there's a hint of petty irritation from you.

    @TimS 's little narrative has been less of a "brag" and more of an observation of the moment. His reservations about transiting through the US and flying with an American carrier, offset by his supporting the Canadian transit lounge. It has been quite an interesting little story. You see it as a "brag" because that is how you roll.
    No, I recognise the behaviour because I do it

    However, I enjoy @TimS's travelogues - I enjoy all the PB travelogues because I am furiously interested in travel (to an almost pathological degree) - so I hope he keeps us posted on Mexico City. I really liked his musings and photos from Senegal, even if they were not *quite* enough to make me go
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,707
    Foxy said:

    Not all actors are airheads. I think it more that there is resentment of success in the UK.
    I'm sure. But success in acting is only partly talent and hard work. There's also plenty of luck - in getting on a hit show, in being born pretty and so on. Plenty to be jealous about.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806

    It's tragic. And oddly reassuring about voting either Tory or Reform.
    It's so unbelievably crass, awkward and cringe it makes me admire Kemi B, and I think she's pretty terrible as Tory leader and LOTO
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,317
    Foxy said:

    Labour Comms are truly incompetent in so many ways.
    They really are.

    I don't like the ad. There's a racial discrimination angle to be seen if one so wishes but I suspect any available misunderstanding is more down to incompetence than racist unpleasantness.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Foxy said:

    No one should have a peerage. Scrap the lot.

    It'll happen one day. But not for some time I suspect, for the moment the patronage alone to reward old chums and donors keeps all the big parties sweet on it.

    I'm a supporter of reforming and retaining an appointed chamber, but I think general sentiment is against that long term.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,317
    Leon said:

    No, I recognise the behaviour because I do it

    However, I enjoy @TimS's travelogues - I enjoy all the PB travelogues because I am furiously interested in travel (to an almost pathological degree) - so I hope he keeps us posted on Mexico City. I really liked his musings and photos from Senegal, even if they were not *quite* enough to make me go
    No, sorry Leon I am detecting just a hint of grrr. You've been upstaged (probably inadvertently).
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,829
    edited April 5
    Leon said:

    It's so unbelievably crass, awkward and cringe it makes me admire Kemi B, and I think she's pretty terrible as Tory leader and LOTO
    Exactly.

    Also, I would like a combination like this in Government. It would mean we wouldn't be getting a load of golf-club racists (a worry of many with Reform), but we also wouldn't be getting another trip to woke TINA heartbreak hotel (a worry of many with the Tories). Bring it on I say.

    The only thing that would make me afraid of such a photoshop creature coming to power would be if it had any of Keir Starmer in it. Since it doesn't, rock on.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    algarkirk said:

    I don't care much what they do with the second chamber except for one thing. There should only be one elected decision making body - ie the House of Commons. To have two or more such outfits sets the country against itself.

    An added and increasingly obvious benefit of the position the House of Commons holds is that it is very much harder for a charismatic psychopath to take the sort of control that is occurring in the USA. The powers of a single president are of course reinforced by having a mandate. The UK mandate belongs to 650 MPs, the PM has no less and no more than being one of those. The Lords has wisdom but no mandate. Keep it that way.
    I agree for the most part, but I think the long term trend will be to end up with two elected bodies. It obviously can work, and as it is 'normal' in most places the argument against is harder to make, and since politicians abuse the appointments process once the argument of democratic legitimacy exceeds political benefits of rewarding mates and those who give politicians money the apathy keeping the status quo will go.

    I reiterate one of my quick and easy fixes for the Lords, which is to ban ex-MPs until 8 years or two terms has passed (whichever is longer). It's not that ex-MPs make terrible Peers necessarily, but without a gap they are too immersed in day to day partisanship for the role, or they are some old duffer kicked upstairs to convince them to stand down.

    Likewise no one who makes a donation to a political party or politician should get an honour or peerage for the same length of time (this includes top union heads), to ensure there is no quid pro quo. It isn't a punishment to decide not to donate money if you want to focus on good works to earn acclaim.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    Their summary of Singapore

    "Singapore’s parliamentary political system has been dominated by the ruling People’s Action Party (PAP) and the family of current prime minister Lee Hsien Loong since 1959. The electoral and legal framework that the PAP has constructed allows for some political pluralism, but it constrains the growth of credible opposition parties and limits freedoms of expression, assembly, and association."

    In NOTA speak, thats an autocracy.
    Yes, though not as blatant or blunt about it as some.

    Then you have the other absurd side of argument that places like Russia are genuine democracies because they hold elections.

    I'm not sure about the comment about a badly run democracy being able to quickly turn course. It's obviously happened, there are places which are democratic today which were not 40 years ago, but in the last decade it feels like the trend is for democratic standards to slip.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    edited April 5
    An optimist’s view of the tariffs.

    You're also going to hear the Trump Third Term nonsense stop cold in its tracks if this continues.

    "Make me a dictator so I can gut your pensions and retirement and raise costs" is not a strategy that any successful despot has ever employed in taking over a prosperous nation.

    https://x.com/lxeagle17/status/1908307560689787366
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,770

    They really are.

    I don't like the ad. There's a racial discrimination angle to be seen if one so wishes but I suspect any available misunderstanding is more down to incompetence than racist unpleasantness.

    There a bit of a track record of “incompetent” posters that are racist dog whistles though.

    Like that MP who got disbarred or the Michael Howard/Fagin poster

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    US consumers are reacting very very negatively.

    These are the worst ratings for any US government’s economic policy since records began.

    https://x.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1908140430610321894
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,806

    No, sorry Leon I am detecting just a hint of grrr. You've been upstaged (probably inadvertently).
    Hmm maybe

    Perhaps there was a tiny grr there. However if there was, then it was certainly not some absurd chagrin at being upstaged or whatever, it was jealousy of someone going to an interesting place, even as I am next to the Tien Shan mountains

    That is to say, I am so keen on travel even as I am in Kazakhstan when I hear of someone going to Mexico (or Iceland, Namibia, Australia, Toronto, Anglesey on a boat, fuck knows - almost anything) then I get a pang of envy and I want to be doing that AS WELL

    I am like the smoker described by Martin Amis who is so addicted to cigarettes even as he's smoking a cigarette he feels the desire to smoke a cigarette. Even as I travel to Kazakhstan I feel the desire to be in Mexico, Montpelier, or Malmo

    It is absolutely pathological, and closely linked to my aversion to boredom, but at this late stage in life I have accepted I am not going to change
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    carnforth said:

    Eloquent naivety is irritating.

    (Why actors tend to have airhead views is more interesting. In theory their understanding of the human condition should be strong - perhaps it comes from not understanding the difference between anecdotes and policy).
    I don't think it is that complicated, it's just that actors are often charismatic and confident (even if just in performance, be it professional performance or them speaking as themselves on TV etc), even if they know very little. And because of their fame they will get a chance to reveal how little they know if they want to speak on something - even if they are no less stupid on average than other people.

    So you have an increased chance of hearing what an actor thinks about something if they want, and if they are simplistic or wrong about it, their confidence in spouting it will be infuriating.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    He seems to have fallen in love with crypto right around the time it was seen very publicly how easy it was to use it to scam people. Sam Bankman-Fried will probably be out of prison soon, even though his parents are Democrats.

    Surprised the first corporation pardon wasn't a pre-emptive one for the Trump Organisation though.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,852
    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1908498779487039909

    China has been hit much harder than the USA, not even close. They, and many other nations, have treated us unsustainably badly. We have been the dumb and helpless "whipping post," but not any longer. We are bringing back jobs and businesses like never before. Already, more than FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT, and rising fast! THIS IS AN ECONOMIC REVOLUTION, AND WE WILL WIN. HANG TOUGH, it won't be easy, but the end result will be historic. We will, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,317

    There a bit of a track record of “incompetent” posters that are racist dog whistles though.

    Like that MP who got disbarred or the Michael Howard/Fagin poster

    No I agree the incompetence of Party Comms. people over the years seem to allow them to fall into the same bear trap year after year, but I doubt they all sit around a table and groupthink ads that can make the party appear racist. Although that probably did happen during Corbyn 's time in charge.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,733
    Polls are a lagging indicator…

    Net-Right Track On:

    Immigration Policy: +3%
    Employment/Jobs: -15%
    American Foreign Policy: -19%
    National Economy: -23%
    National Politics: -23%
    International Trade: -24%
    Inflation: -37%

    (Right Track - Wrong Track = Net)

    Ipsos / April 2, 2025 / n=1486

    https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1908199469616926884
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    .

    Are they trying to make Reform look bad by association with the Tories, or the Tories look bad by association with Reform? Or both?
    I'm sure it is the latter, and some spad thought it was great.

    "Like, it's both of them right, only in one image together"
    "Genius. It's so subtle and nuanced. You deserve a raise"
    "I'll take a safe seat candidacy instead, but thanks".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1908498779487039909

    China has been hit much harder than the USA, not even close. They, and many other nations, have treated us unsustainably badly. We have been the dumb and helpless "whipping post," but not any longer. We are bringing back jobs and businesses like never before. Already, more than FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT, and rising fast! THIS IS AN ECONOMIC REVOLUTION, AND WE WILL WIN. HANG TOUGH, it won't be easy, but the end result will be historic. We will, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!

    It's an old thought, but revolution has always seemed like an odd word for what it is meant to be, given when you complete 1 revolution you are back where you started. Obviously some revolutions end up that way, but most cases things are genuinely transformative.
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