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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,162
    "Why it could be a great – or awful – time to visit America
    With tourists boycotting the States, those who make the journey could find fewer crowds – but also airport chaos and litter-strewn parks

    Robert Jackman" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/north-america/united-states/visit-america-trump/
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,673
    We don’t need to worry bout chlorinated Chicken from Murica. Even if we assume that Starmer is frit and we end up with a deal, they won’t come here.

    So much of the chicken we eat in the UK is from either Thailand or Brazil. There is no way that Murica chicken is going to undercut what we already buy, deal or no deal.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,473

    Andy_JS said:

    Am I the only person on here interested in today's county cricket matches?

    No. Notably, Banton scored 344 not out for Somerset.
    Even more importantly, I can't remember the first two days of the cricket season being accompanied by such blissful weather.
    Things can only get worse.
    Test match in May surely brings the rain…
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,574

    Andy_JS said:

    Am I the only person on here interested in today's county cricket matches?

    No. Notably, Banton scored 344 not out for Somerset.
    Even more importantly, I can't remember the first two days of the cricket season being accompanied by such blissful weather.
    Things can only get worse.
    It's ridiculously early in the year for first-class cricket but they've gotten away with it this time. Back in the day the cricket season would start on the Monday after the FA Cup Final which was the first Saturday in May. All the divisions would have been resolved the previous weekend, so the Final was exactly what it claimed to be.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,162
    edited April 5
    Looks like RefUK have taken the lead for the first time in the unofficial "Latest 10 polls polling average".

    RefUK 24.5%
    Lab 23.8%
    Con 22.8%
    LD 13.3%
    Grn 9.2%
    SNP 2.8%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#National_poll_results
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,473

    Andy_JS said:

    Am I the only person on here interested in today's county cricket matches?

    No. Notably, Banton scored 344 not out for Somerset.
    Even more importantly, I can't remember the first two days of the cricket season being accompanied by such blissful weather.
    Things can only get worse.
    It's ridiculously early in the year for first-class cricket but they've gotten away with it this time. Back in the day the cricket season would start on the Monday after the FA Cup Final which was the first Saturday in May. All the divisions would have been resolved the previous weekend, so the Final was exactly what it claimed to be.
    Times are not what they were and no mistake. Rugby drags on into June. The authorities have truly lucked out this time, but some years the early start and late finish can seriously hinder sides in the pursuit of wins, which decides the championship.
    Get rid of the hundred, back the Blast as a Friday night fixture for TV (not pay per view) and return championship matches to the heart of summer.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,269
    I wonder if one of the biggest problems with the US constitution is the two year terms for everyone in the House of Representatives.

    Combined with primaries it means they are in campaign mode for a far too high percentage of the time.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,803
    Andy_JS said:

    Looks like RefUK have taken the lead for the first time in the unofficial "Latest 10 polls polling average".

    RefUK 24.5%
    Lab 23.8%
    Con 22.8%
    LD 13.3%
    Grn 9.2%
    SNP 2.8%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#National_poll_results

    On the graph, REF/LAB recrossover has occurred and CON/LAB crossover may be imminent?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,516

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    It is not as simple as that. Firstly, it isn't the fact that the chicken is washed with chlorine, it's the fact that the chicken was so covered with filth, abscesses and disease that it needed to be cleaned with chlorine. Secondly, it will not be as easy as Anderson suggests not to buy it, as it will undoubtedly be part of the deal that it cannot be labelled (that has always been mooted at any rate).
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,320

    I posted this interview yesterday before having had chance to listen to the whole thing but Scott Bessent is probably the best advocate for the Trump administration at the moment. Far more gravitas and experience than JD Vance.

    He makes a good case for what Trump is trying to do economically:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnX1SQfgJI

    William, you are an intelligent person. You cannot possibly think Trump knows what he is doing.

    He doesn't even understand who pays tariffs!
    It is indeed a mystery Grasshopper
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,516

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Looks like RefUK have taken the lead for the first time in the unofficial "Latest 10 polls polling average".

    RefUK 24.5%
    Lab 23.8%
    Con 22.8%
    LD 13.3%
    Grn 9.2%
    SNP 2.8%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#National_poll_results

    I'm happy to check in again in 12 months time.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,803

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    What I've always wondered about chlorinated chicken is whether the US has significantly fewer cases of Salmonella and other chicken-based instances of food poisoning compared to other places??
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,276

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,574

    Andy_JS said:

    Am I the only person on here interested in today's county cricket matches?

    No. Notably, Banton scored 344 not out for Somerset.
    Even more importantly, I can't remember the first two days of the cricket season being accompanied by such blissful weather.
    Things can only get worse.
    It's ridiculously early in the year for first-class cricket but they've gotten away with it this time. Back in the day the cricket season would start on the Monday after the FA Cup Final which was the first Saturday in May. All the divisions would have been resolved the previous weekend, so the Final was exactly what it claimed to be.
    Times are not what they were and no mistake. Rugby drags on into June. The authorities have truly lucked out this time, but some years the early start and late finish can seriously hinder sides in the pursuit of wins, which decides the championship.
    Get rid of the hundred, back the Blast as a Friday night fixture for TV (not pay per view) and return championship matches to the heart of summer.
    Another casualty of changing times is mid-week afternoon football matches. The last I saw was during the three-day week on 27th February 1974: Brighton 2, Wrexham 1. One of Brian Clough's few matches in charge of the Seagulls. The next day was the General Election, followed by Edward Heath's lost weekend, trying to strike a deal with Jeremy Thorpe.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,974

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    There’s no need to wash chicken as the proper cooking itself should kill any bacteria . Washing the chicken doesn’t just cause an issue in the sink areas , around the sink can get easily splashed as you do that .
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,162
    edited April 5
    I noticed a red-headed bloke at the cricket today who'd obviously been sitting in the sun all day and part of his leg had turned bright red. What was he thinking? He must have known that would happen if he spent 7 hours sitting there like that. Madness really.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,803
    edited April 5

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cook properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,320

    I posted this interview yesterday before having had chance to listen to the whole thing but Scott Bessent is probably the best advocate for the Trump administration at the moment. Far more gravitas and experience than JD Vance.

    He makes a good case for what Trump is trying to do economically:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnX1SQfgJI

    His argument seems very simple. If you price your competitors out of the market it'll force your citizens to buy American and if Americans don't produce the products they need they can build factories so they can. The flaws in this seem so obvious it's almost childish
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,276
    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,473
    Andy_JS said:

    I noticed a red-headed bloke at the cricket today who'd obviously been sitting in the sun all day and part of his leg had turned bright red. What was he thinking? He must have known that would happen if he spent 7 hours sitting there like that. Madness really.

    Johnny Bairstow?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,573

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    I'm genuinely curious why you would wash chicken before cooking it. Do you also wash ... lamb? Beef? Venison? Then just eat it raw or something?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,803
    Andy_JS said:

    I noticed a red-headed bloke at the cricket today who'd obviously been sitting in the sun all day and part of his leg had turned bright red. What was he thinking? He must have known that would happen if he spent 7 hours sitting there like that. Madness really.

    A lot of people don't realize how strong the sun is in April.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,098

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Depends on the "thing" surely: I'll always wash shrimp/prawns, but never beef.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,516
    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    I'm genuinely curious why you would wash chicken before cooking it. Do you also wash ... lamb? Beef? Venison? Then just eat it raw or something?
    Yes, I wash all meat before cooking it. And vegetables. Anything raw without a skin (like an orange) I suppose.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,803

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Lovely 😋
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,600

    I posted this interview yesterday before having had chance to listen to the whole thing but Scott Bessent is probably the best advocate for the Trump administration at the moment. Far more gravitas and experience than JD Vance.

    He makes a good case for what Trump is trying to do economically:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnX1SQfgJI

    He is fluent, also the first LGBT US Treasury Secretary
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,098
    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cook properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    Some things have dirt on them: I'm not worried about the bacteria, merely the fact that the dirt doesn't taste good.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,005

    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    I'm genuinely curious why you would wash chicken before cooking it. Do you also wash ... lamb? Beef? Venison? Then just eat it raw or something?
    Yes, I wash all meat before cooking it. And vegetables. Anything raw without a skin (like an orange) I suppose.
    How strange
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,683
    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cook properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    Some things have dirt on them: I'm not worried about the bacteria, merely the fact that the dirt doesn't taste good.
    Points out plenty of organisms live round thermal vents on the ocean floor where the temperature is far in excess of 200c
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,276

    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    I'm genuinely curious why you would wash chicken before cooking it. Do you also wash ... lamb? Beef? Venison? Then just eat it raw or something?
    Yes, I wash all meat before cooking it. And vegetables. Anything raw without a skin (like an orange) I suppose.
    Why?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,516
    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cook properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    Some things have dirt on them: I'm not worried about the bacteria, merely the fact that the dirt doesn't taste good.
    Quite. As well as the chemical residue of plastic packaging. And pesticides in the case of fruit and veg. These things aren't living bacteria that are going to give up the ghost because you cook them.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,951

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
    I cook chicken breasts in the air fryer as you do at 180 for 20 minutes turning the breast over after 10 minutes

    I also cook a whole chicken in the air fryer at 180 for 60 minutes with 20 minutes breast down then turning it

    It works perfectly and tastes exceptional though it is M & S British chicken

    Also hygiene and washing hands and utensils is paramount but I do not wash the chicken or the breasts
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,573

    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    I'm genuinely curious why you would wash chicken before cooking it. Do you also wash ... lamb? Beef? Venison? Then just eat it raw or something?
    Yes, I wash all meat before cooking it. And vegetables. Anything raw without a skin (like an orange) I suppose.
    What a curious fellow you are. Do you not trust your cooking? I could understand if you were having chicken sashimi or the like (which is delicious). And if your veg is still covered with dirt - go for it.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,803
    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cook properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    Some things have dirt on them: I'm not worried about the bacteria, merely the fact that the dirt doesn't taste good.
    Well anything that could have dirt on (potatoes, carrots, salad, etc) can and should be washed.

    Chicken however... not so much. But each to their own, lol!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,803

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
    I cook chicken breasts in the air fryer as you do at 180 for 20 minutes turning the breast over after 10 minutes

    I also cook a whole chicken in the air fryer at 180 for 60 minutes with 20 minutes breast down then turning it

    It works perfectly and tastes exceptional though it is M & S British chicken

    Also hygiene and washing hands and utensils is paramount but I do not wash the chicken or the breasts
    I'm going to call into Big G's this summer for some roast chicken! :D
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,276

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
    I cook chicken breasts in the air fryer as you do at 180 for 20 minutes turning the breast over after 10 minutes

    I also cook a whole chicken in the air fryer at 180 for 60 minutes with 20 minutes breast down then turning it

    It works perfectly and tastes exceptional though it is M & S British chicken

    Also hygiene and washing hands and utensils is paramount but I do not wash the chicken or the breasts
    Does M & S British chicken taste different to A N other chicken?

    I have never tasted a difference between Aldi, Lidl, Tesco, Asda or Morrisons chicken - all of which I buy regularly, it depends where I am when I go shopping.

    Chicken is chicken.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,951
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
    I cook chicken breasts in the air fryer as you do at 180 for 20 minutes turning the breast over after 10 minutes

    I also cook a whole chicken in the air fryer at 180 for 60 minutes with 20 minutes breast down then turning it

    It works perfectly and tastes exceptional though it is M & S British chicken

    Also hygiene and washing hands and utensils is paramount but I do not wash the chicken or the breasts
    I'm going to call into Big G's this summer for some roast chicken! :D
    You would be more than welcome
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,803

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
    I cook chicken breasts in the air fryer as you do at 180 for 20 minutes turning the breast over after 10 minutes

    I also cook a whole chicken in the air fryer at 180 for 60 minutes with 20 minutes breast down then turning it

    It works perfectly and tastes exceptional though it is M & S British chicken

    Also hygiene and washing hands and utensils is paramount but I do not wash the chicken or the breasts
    I'm going to call into Big G's this summer for some roast chicken! :D
    You would be more than welcome
    Awwwww... Thank you.

    I have friends in North Wales and I've not seen them since 2022, so if I head that way this summer I'll send you a DM :D
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,951

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
    I cook chicken breasts in the air fryer as you do at 180 for 20 minutes turning the breast over after 10 minutes

    I also cook a whole chicken in the air fryer at 180 for 60 minutes with 20 minutes breast down then turning it

    It works perfectly and tastes exceptional though it is M & S British chicken

    Also hygiene and washing hands and utensils is paramount but I do not wash the chicken or the breasts
    Does M & S British chicken taste different to A N other chicken?

    I have never tasted a difference between Aldi, Lidl, Tesco, Asda or Morrisons chicken - all of which I buy regularly, it depends where I am when I go shopping.

    Chicken is chicken.
    We find it exceptional and it is welfare British chicken

    More expensive but maybe try it and compare notes
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,276

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
    I cook chicken breasts in the air fryer as you do at 180 for 20 minutes turning the breast over after 10 minutes

    I also cook a whole chicken in the air fryer at 180 for 60 minutes with 20 minutes breast down then turning it

    It works perfectly and tastes exceptional though it is M & S British chicken

    Also hygiene and washing hands and utensils is paramount but I do not wash the chicken or the breasts
    Does M & S British chicken taste different to A N other chicken?

    I have never tasted a difference between Aldi, Lidl, Tesco, Asda or Morrisons chicken - all of which I buy regularly, it depends where I am when I go shopping.

    Chicken is chicken.
    We find it exceptional and it is welfare British chicken

    More expensive but maybe try it and compare notes
    All 5 supermarkets I mentioned sell British chicken too.

    Personally I think it depends upon how you season and cook it, how good its going to be, not what label was on its packaging.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,951

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
    I cook chicken breasts in the air fryer as you do at 180 for 20 minutes turning the breast over after 10 minutes

    I also cook a whole chicken in the air fryer at 180 for 60 minutes with 20 minutes breast down then turning it

    It works perfectly and tastes exceptional though it is M & S British chicken

    Also hygiene and washing hands and utensils is paramount but I do not wash the chicken or the breasts
    Does M & S British chicken taste different to A N other chicken?

    I have never tasted a difference between Aldi, Lidl, Tesco, Asda or Morrisons chicken - all of which I buy regularly, it depends where I am when I go shopping.

    Chicken is chicken.
    We find it exceptional and it is welfare British chicken

    More expensive but maybe try it and compare notes
    All 5 supermarkets I mentioned sell British chicken too.

    Personally I think it depends upon how you season and cook it, how good its going to be, not what label was on its packaging.
    Possibly but we only buy M & S now
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,544

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
    I cook chicken breasts in the air fryer as you do at 180 for 20 minutes turning the breast over after 10 minutes

    I also cook a whole chicken in the air fryer at 180 for 60 minutes with 20 minutes breast down then turning it

    It works perfectly and tastes exceptional though it is M & S British chicken

    Also hygiene and washing hands and utensils is paramount but I do not wash the chicken or the breasts
    Does M & S British chicken taste different to A N other chicken?

    I have never tasted a difference between Aldi, Lidl, Tesco, Asda or Morrisons chicken - all of which I buy regularly, it depends where I am when I go shopping.

    Chicken is chicken.
    We find it exceptional and it is welfare British chicken

    More expensive but maybe try it and compare notes
    All 5 supermarkets I mentioned sell British chicken too.

    Personally I think it depends upon how you season and cook it, how good its going to be, not what label was on its packaging.
    Possibly but we only buy M & S now
    Plus five points on the privilege test for that:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14570565/Woke-Labour-council-staff-white-privilege-test.html
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,030
    nico67 said:

    The IDF finally admits they slaughtered medics in Gaza after they were caught lying when video footage clearly shows they knew they were medics and decided to execute them .

    The IDF are out of control enabled by Netanyahu and the rest of the genocidal maniacs in his cabinet .

    It cannot be excused by the terrorism of Hamas.
    This is plain evil.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g2z103nqxo
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,951

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
    I cook chicken breasts in the air fryer as you do at 180 for 20 minutes turning the breast over after 10 minutes

    I also cook a whole chicken in the air fryer at 180 for 60 minutes with 20 minutes breast down then turning it

    It works perfectly and tastes exceptional though it is M & S British chicken

    Also hygiene and washing hands and utensils is paramount but I do not wash the chicken or the breasts
    Does M & S British chicken taste different to A N other chicken?

    I have never tasted a difference between Aldi, Lidl, Tesco, Asda or Morrisons chicken - all of which I buy regularly, it depends where I am when I go shopping.

    Chicken is chicken.
    We find it exceptional and it is welfare British chicken

    More expensive but maybe try it and compare notes
    All 5 supermarkets I mentioned sell British chicken too.

    Personally I think it depends upon how you season and cook it, how good its going to be, not what label was on its packaging.
    Possibly but we only buy M & S now
    Plus five points on the privilege test for that:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14570565/Woke-Labour-council-staff-white-privilege-test.html
    Really - what nonsense
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,175
    Approx 70% of xmas lights in US come from Cambodia.

    "It'll be lonely this Christmas
    Lonely and cold."

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,162
    "‘I was a British tourist trying to leave the US. Then I was detained, shackled and sent to an immigration detention centre’

    Jenny Kleeman"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/05/i-was-a-british-tourist-trying-to-leave-america-then-i-was-detained-shackled-and-sent-to-an-immigration-detention-centre
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,516
    edited April 5
    Yes, and it's complete tosh. The entire 'reason' given is that a splash of hidden chicken-y water could remain festering in your kitchen for weeks and eventually give you food poisoning. Which can be avoided neatly by keeping your kitchen and especially your sink clean.

    Undesirable chemicals from the packaging are a very good reason to wash your meat before cooking it. It is also a good opportunity to check the quality of the meat thoroughly (there could be small feathers, clotted blood) before you splosh it in a pan or casserole pot. And there is zero drawback to doing so.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,951

    Yes, and it's complete tosh. The entire 'reason' given is that a splash of hidden chicken-y water could remain festering in your kitchen for weeks and eventually give you food poisoning. Which can be avoided neatly by keeping your kitchen and especially your sink clean.

    Undesirable chemicals from the packaging are a very good reason to wash your meat before cooking it. It is also a good opportunity to check the quality of the meat thoroughly before you splosh it in a pan or casserole pot. And there is zero drawback to doing so.
    It is general practice not to wash poultry and of course correct cooking destroys any adverse health issue

    However each to their own
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,632
    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Reasons why Trump is genuinely evil, part 347 of lots

    NEW — After putting all Institute of Museum & Library Services (IMLS) employees on administrative leave Monday, I'm told DOGE is canceling congressionally-appropriated grants to state libraries across the entire country. Libraries are getting notice that funding was canceled as of 4/1.

    More here: https://www.everylibrary.org/trump_termination_imls_grants

    SOURCE: https://bsky.app/profile/marisakabas.bsky.social/post/3llwdagmsh225

    HE's GOING AFTER THE LIBRARIANS. HOW CAN YOU TOLERATE THIS?
    Sash! This used to be a library.
    I'm not joking. I think Musk is evil to do this. How dare he, and how dare Trump empower him to do this. Bastards, both of them. And that's only because the mods wont let me use the proper word for them.
    I'm not sure if it's still there, but there used to be a sign in the Bodleian Library saying "Ask Google and get a million answers; ask a Librarian and get one, correct, answer". I fear that shutting down access to sources of objective truth is one of the standard hallmarks of a tyrant, and in my opinion that is what we are seeing right now. Of course, Joe Redneck will say, "Yeah, we don't need libraries, everything is on line now!" and that is exactly the problem - who controls what we see on line?
    This is also a cancelling of congressional funds which is a total usurp of power by
    executive etc.

    One day I hope this gang will be held properly accountable by the law.
    That’s what I don’t understand.

    A majority of politicians, especially in the US, go into politics because of power and prestige

    But Congress is standing by and letting the executive take all their power with nary a whisper. Is it really just prestige?
    TBH I thought we were clear on this. Apologies if I am repeating.

    Trump turned the GOP into a Trump family operation around a year ago - Laura Trump being the boss iirc, and the ones who were not Trump arselickers were expelled.

    He then looted the GOP funds - very likely illegally - to pay for his personal lawyers.

    Now he (and Elon) have threatened any Congress (and Senate) who do not kneel under the table and lick-the-boot (to use a polite metaphor) with "primarying", backed up by a $25m campaign budget from Musk.

    Primarying is I think the USA version of
    "deselection", except that it is putting up an
    alternative Trump-local candidate for the
    post of the Representative.

    If there are any non-Trumpists left, and allegedly there are, they are just shit-
    scared.
    That is what. I am asking *why*

    If you have no power what is the point of being a Congressman or woman?

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,516

    Yes, and it's complete tosh. The entire 'reason' given is that a splash of hidden chicken-y water could remain festering in your kitchen for weeks and eventually give you food poisoning. Which can be avoided neatly by keeping your kitchen and especially your sink clean.

    Undesirable chemicals from the packaging are a very good reason to wash your meat before cooking it. It is also a good opportunity to check the quality of the meat thoroughly before you splosh it in a pan or casserole pot. And there is zero drawback to doing so.
    It is general practice not to wash poultry and of course correct cooking destroys any adverse health issue

    However each to their own
    No it doesn't. High temperatures destroy bacteria, they have no affect whatever on chemical contamination.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,030
    Pagan2 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
    I cook chicken breasts in the air fryer as you do at 180 for 20 minutes turning the breast over after 10 minutes

    I also cook a whole chicken in the air fryer at 180 for 60 minutes with 20 minutes breast down then turning it

    It works perfectly and tastes exceptional though it is M & S British chicken

    Also hygiene and washing hands and utensils is paramount but I do not wash the chicken or the breasts
    I'm going to call into Big G's this summer for some roast chicken! :D
    You would be more than welcome
    Big G suddenly goes why are there are a 100 people knocking on my door seeking roast chicken
    And all claiming to be GIN1138.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,162
    This reminds of the debate about eggs: US puts them in the fridge in shops, we don't.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,632
    Pagan2 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    The problem really isn't however chlorine washed food, the problem is the us will insist we cant label there chicken as chlorine washed to distinguish it from non chlorine washed european chicken which takes away the consumer
    choice
    They allowed Arla to label its milk as “rBST free” despite the fact that *no* milk contains rBST…
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,516
    edited April 5

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
    I cook chicken breasts in the air fryer as you do at 180 for 20 minutes turning the breast over after 10 minutes

    I also cook a whole chicken in the air fryer at 180 for 60 minutes with 20 minutes breast down then turning it

    It works perfectly and tastes exceptional though it is M & S British chicken

    Also hygiene and washing hands and utensils is paramount but I do not wash the chicken or the breasts
    Does M & S British chicken taste different to A N other chicken?

    I have never tasted a difference between Aldi, Lidl, Tesco, Asda or Morrisons chicken - all of which I buy regularly, it depends where I am when I go shopping.

    Chicken is chicken.
    Obviously the supermarket label will not affect the quality of the chicken, but it's likely that M&S stock good chicken. The chicken's food, environment and overall health will have an affect on the taste and the nutritional value of the chicken.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,632
    Foxy said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    I am not against having it as long as I can know as a consumer that this chicken is from the US and washed with chlorine, so I know to avoid it.
    If you want to avoid it, you should feel free to do so.

    I would have no reason to do so, its safe and that's all I care about.
    The Americans don't want it labelled.

    Chlorination is a piss poor substitution for proper animal husbandry and slaughter.
    More specifically it’s about their refusal to use salmonella vaccines
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,516
    Andy_JS said:

    This reminds of the debate about eggs: US puts them in the fridge in shops, we don't.

    They also mandate that the eggs must be washed - we say that they must not be.

    In general, food quality in the UK is waaaaay higher for most people, and we should not be going down the US route in terms of food.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,558

    Foxy said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    I am not against having it as long as I can know as a consumer that this chicken is from the US and washed with chlorine, so I know to avoid it.
    If you want to avoid it, you should feel free to do so.

    I would have no reason to do so, its safe and that's all I care about.
    The Americans don't want it labelled.

    Chlorination is a piss poor substitution for proper animal husbandry and slaughter.
    More specifically it’s about their refusal to use salmonella vaccines
    EU doesn't vaccinate, and doesn't chlorine wash. So it's more than that.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,098

    Pagan2 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    The problem really isn't however chlorine washed food, the problem is the us will insist we cant label there chicken as chlorine washed to distinguish it from non chlorine washed european chicken which takes away the consumer
    choice
    They allowed Arla to label its milk as “rBST free” despite the fact that *no* milk contains rBST…
    A friend of mine has a small beer business here in the US, that sells "craft vegan beer". I asked him isn't most beer vegan?

    To which he replied shhhh....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,175

    Andy_JS said:

    This reminds of the debate about eggs: US puts them in the fridge in shops, we don't.

    They also mandate that the eggs must be washed - we say that they must not be.

    In general, food quality in the UK is waaaaay higher for most people, and we should not be going down the US route in terms of food.

    In parts of Europe and elsewhere, eggs are often left on the kitchen counter. That has to do with the natural exterior coating kept on the eggs, which protects them from microbes, but also can harbor salmonella. That’s why egg producers in the U.S. have washed and refrigerated their eggs since the 1970s. Doing so removes that protective cuticle that helps keep any dangerous bacteria out — and means that eggs should be refrigerated to keep them safe.

    NY Times
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,558
    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    The problem really isn't however chlorine washed food, the problem is the us will insist we cant label there chicken as chlorine washed to distinguish it from non chlorine washed european chicken which takes away the consumer
    choice
    They allowed Arla to label its milk as “rBST free” despite the fact that *no* milk contains rBST…
    A friend of mine has a small beer business here in the US, that sells "craft vegan beer". I asked him isn't most beer vegan?

    To which he replied shhhh....
    How old fashioned. It's plant based now, doncha know.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,516

    ohnotnow said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    I'm genuinely curious why you would wash chicken before cooking it. Do you also wash ... lamb? Beef? Venison? Then just eat it raw or something?
    Yes, I wash all meat before cooking it. And vegetables. Anything raw without a skin (like an orange) I suppose.
    How strange
    It really isn't.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,175
    Andy_JS said:

    This reminds of the debate about eggs: US puts them in the fridge in shops, we don't.

    see my reply to @Luckyguy1983
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,269
    Pagan2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Am I the only person on here interested in today's county cricket matches?

    Possibly the only person in the world
    Dickie Bird is around somewhere.

    I would say Rachel Heyhoe-Flint, but she popped off in 2017.

    John Major? :wink:
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,632
    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I noticed a red-headed bloke at the cricket today who'd obviously been sitting in the sun all day and part of his leg had turned bright red. What was he thinking? He must have known that would happen if he spent 7 hours sitting there like that. Madness really.

    A lot of people don't realize how strong the sun is in April.
    It’s UV8 here today…
  • vikvik Posts: 183

    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Reasons why Trump is genuinely evil, part 347 of lots

    NEW — After putting all Institute of Museum & Library Services (IMLS) employees on administrative leave Monday, I'm told DOGE is canceling congressionally-appropriated grants to state libraries across the entire country. Libraries are getting notice that funding was canceled as of 4/1.

    More here: https://www.everylibrary.org/trump_termination_imls_grants

    SOURCE: https://bsky.app/profile/marisakabas.bsky.social/post/3llwdagmsh225

    HE's GOING AFTER THE LIBRARIANS. HOW CAN YOU TOLERATE THIS?
    Sash! This used to be a library.
    I'm not joking. I think Musk is evil to do this. How dare he, and how dare Trump empower him to do this. Bastards, both of them. And that's only because the mods wont let me use the proper word for them.
    I'm not sure if it's still there, but there used to be a sign in the Bodleian Library saying "Ask Google and get a million answers; ask a Librarian and get one, correct, answer". I fear that shutting down access to sources of objective truth is one of the standard hallmarks of a tyrant, and in my opinion that is what we are seeing right now. Of course, Joe Redneck will say, "Yeah, we don't need libraries, everything is on line now!" and that is exactly the problem - who controls what we see on line?
    This is also a cancelling of congressional funds which is a total usurp of power by
    executive etc.

    One day I hope this gang will be held properly accountable by the law.
    That’s what I don’t understand.

    A majority of politicians, especially in the US, go into politics because of power and prestige

    But Congress is standing by and letting the executive take all their power with nary a whisper. Is it really just prestige?
    TBH I thought we were clear on this. Apologies if I am repeating.

    Trump turned the GOP into a Trump family operation around a year ago - Laura Trump being the boss iirc, and the ones who were not Trump arselickers were expelled.

    He then looted the GOP funds - very likely illegally - to pay for his personal lawyers.

    Now he (and Elon) have threatened any Congress (and Senate) who do not kneel under the table and lick-the-boot (to use a polite metaphor) with "primarying", backed up by a $25m campaign budget from Musk.

    Primarying is I think the USA version of
    "deselection", except that it is putting up an
    alternative Trump-local candidate for the
    post of the Representative.

    If there are any non-Trumpists left, and allegedly there are, they are just shit-
    scared.
    That is what. I am asking *why*

    If you have no power what is the point of being a Congressman or woman?

    It is similar to the situation in UK Labour during the Corbyn years.

    Lots of Labour MP's hated Corbyn and wished he would disappear, but couldn't do anything about it. So, they just kept their heads down and voted along Party lines.

    I mean, imagine if Corbyn had won the election and become Prime Minister. He would have been able to do a lot of crazy things before there would have been an open revolt among Labour MP's.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,098

    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I noticed a red-headed bloke at the cricket today who'd obviously been sitting in the sun all day and part of his leg had turned bright red. What was he thinking? He must have known that would happen if he spent 7 hours sitting there like that. Madness really.

    A lot of people don't realize how strong the sun is in April.
    It’s UV8 here today…
    I'm changing planes in NYC, and it's grey and miserable and raining.

    SoCal it ain't.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,230
    Sort of related: In many places in the US, chicken wings are popular, specifically Buffalo chicken wings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_wing

    Never had any, but think they might go well with beer. I do, from time to time, make batches of five spice chicken, when I can find drumsticks and thighs on sale for a dollar a pound.

    The big political fight here is over Chick-fil-A. Since it is an openly Christian chain, some people would never eat there. I like their sandwiches from time to time, and find their staff so darn nice it embarrasses me.

    (Oh, and they are very good at following our civil rights laws -- which offends many of our leftist politicians.)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,269
    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I noticed a red-headed bloke at the cricket today who'd obviously been sitting in the sun all day and part of his leg had turned bright red. What was he thinking? He must have known that would happen if he spent 7 hours sitting there like that. Madness really.

    A lot of people don't realize how strong the sun is in April.
    It’s UV8 here today…
    I'm changing planes in NYC, and it's grey and miserable and raining.

    SoCal it ain't.
    2 people in the USA not on the way to El Salvador.

    Looking up !
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,098

    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Reasons why Trump is genuinely evil, part 347 of lots

    NEW — After putting all Institute of Museum & Library Services (IMLS) employees on administrative leave Monday, I'm told DOGE is canceling congressionally-appropriated grants to state libraries across the entire country. Libraries are getting notice that funding was canceled as of 4/1.

    More here: https://www.everylibrary.org/trump_termination_imls_grants

    SOURCE: https://bsky.app/profile/marisakabas.bsky.social/post/3llwdagmsh225

    HE's GOING AFTER THE LIBRARIANS. HOW CAN YOU TOLERATE THIS?
    Sash! This used to be a library.
    I'm not joking. I think Musk is evil to do this. How dare he, and how dare Trump empower him to do this. Bastards, both of them. And that's only because the mods wont let me use the proper word for them.
    I'm not sure if it's still there, but there used to be a sign in the Bodleian Library saying "Ask Google and get a million answers; ask a Librarian and get one, correct, answer". I fear that shutting down access to sources of objective truth is one of the standard hallmarks of a tyrant, and in my opinion that is what we are seeing right now. Of course, Joe Redneck will say, "Yeah, we don't need libraries, everything is on line now!" and that is exactly the problem - who controls what we see on line?
    This is also a cancelling of congressional funds which is a total usurp of power by
    executive etc.

    One day I hope this gang will be held properly accountable by the law.
    That’s what I don’t understand.

    A majority of politicians, especially in the US, go into politics because of power and prestige

    But Congress is standing by and letting the executive take all their power with nary a whisper. Is it really just prestige?
    TBH I thought we were clear on this. Apologies if I am repeating.

    Trump turned the GOP into a Trump family operation around a year ago - Laura Trump being the boss iirc, and the ones who were not Trump arselickers were expelled.

    He then looted the GOP funds - very likely illegally - to pay for his personal lawyers.

    Now he (and Elon) have threatened any Congress (and Senate) who do not kneel under the table and lick-the-boot (to use a polite metaphor) with "primarying", backed up by a $25m campaign budget from Musk.

    Primarying is I think the USA version of
    "deselection", except that it is putting up an
    alternative Trump-local candidate for the
    post of the Representative.

    If there are any non-Trumpists left, and allegedly there are, they are just shit-
    scared.
    That is what. I am asking *why*

    If you have no power what is the point of being a Congressman or woman?

    It makes you more attractive to the opposite sex?

    You become "The Honorable [x]"?

    You get to spend six hours a day calling constituents for money in windowless buildings in DC?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,175
    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    The problem really isn't however chlorine washed food, the problem is the us will insist we cant label there chicken as chlorine washed to distinguish it from non chlorine washed european chicken which takes away the consumer
    choice
    They allowed Arla to label its milk as “rBST free” despite the fact that *no* milk contains rBST…
    A friend of mine has a small beer business here in the US, that sells "craft vegan beer". I asked him isn't most beer vegan?

    To which he replied shhhh....
    How old fashioned. It's plant based now, doncha know.
    Isn't there an issue with how 'finings' are used to clear the beer?

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,632
    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    I am not against having it as long as I can know as a consumer that this chicken is from the US and washed with chlorine, so I know to avoid it.
    If you want to avoid it, you should feel free to do so.

    I would have no reason to do so, its safe and that's all I care about.
    The Americans don't want it labelled.

    Chlorination is a piss poor substitution for proper animal husbandry and slaughter.
    More specifically it’s about their refusal to use salmonella vaccines
    EU doesn't vaccinate, and doesn't chlorine
    wash. So it's more than that.
    I wonder what people are using all the salmonella vaccines they are buying for then?

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,632
    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I noticed a red-headed bloke at the cricket today who'd obviously been sitting in the sun all day and part of his leg had turned bright red. What was he thinking? He must have known that would happen if he spent 7 hours sitting there like that. Madness really.

    A lot of people don't realize how strong the sun is in April.
    It’s UV8 here today…
    I'm changing planes in NYC, and it's grey and miserable and raining.

    SoCal it ain't.
    Here until Easter if you are around
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,098

    Sort of related: In many places in the US, chicken wings are popular, specifically Buffalo chicken wings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_wing

    Never had any, but think they might go well with beer. I do, from time to time, make batches of five spice chicken, when I can find drumsticks and thighs on sale for a dollar a pound.

    The big political fight here is over Chick-fil-A. Since it is an openly Christian chain, some people would never eat there. I like their sandwiches from time to time, and find their staff so darn nice it embarrasses me.

    (Oh, and they are very good at following our civil rights laws -- which offends many of our leftist politicians.)

    Personally, I believe that gay people should be allowed to get married.

    But I accept that people are allowed to have the opposite opinion. I am friends with a tech guy who lost his job because of his views on gay marriage, and I think that's wrong. (Don't cry for him: the loss of his job made him hundreds of millions.)

    And so I am very happy to patronise Chick-fil-A. People are allowed to have different opinions.

    That's OK.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,175
    Tim Farron
    @timfarron
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    3h
    This is a useful reminder that Reform are the enemy of UK farmers. US chicken is chlorinated to compensate for the hygiene risk to humans from poor animal welfare standards. To welcome such products into the UK is to throw British farmers under the bus to appease Trump.


    Lee Anderson MP

    @LeeAndersonMP_
    ·
    11h
    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    https://x.com/timfarron/status/1908605764866093217
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,098

    New Thread.

    Which @ydoethur probably needs to avoid.
  • vikvik Posts: 183

    I posted this interview yesterday before having had chance to listen to the whole thing but Scott Bessent is probably the best advocate for the Trump administration at the moment. Far more gravitas and experience than JD Vance.

    He makes a good case for what Trump is trying to do economically:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnX1SQfgJI

    Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent is reportedly looking for a way out of the Trump administration following the Republican president’s disastrous tariff rollout damaged his “credibility,” alleged MSNBC host Stephanie Ruhle on Friday.

    ....

    Ruhle suggested that Bessent, who built his $521 million fortune managing massive hedge funds, can’t stomach Trump’s “absurd tariff math,” which some critics have slammed as a “kindergarten-level understanding” of international trade.

    According to Ruhle’s sources, Trump is “not listening” to his treasury secretary, “the odd man out” in the president’s inner circle.


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/msnbc-host-stephanie-ruhle-alleges-trumps-treasury-sec-looking-for-an-exit-door/
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 804
    vik said:

    MattW said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Reasons why Trump is genuinely evil, part 347 of lots

    NEW — After putting all Institute of Museum & Library Services (IMLS) employees on administrative leave Monday, I'm told DOGE is canceling congressionally-appropriated grants to state libraries across the entire country. Libraries are getting notice that funding was canceled as of 4/1.

    More here: https://www.everylibrary.org/trump_termination_imls_grants

    SOURCE: https://bsky.app/profile/marisakabas.bsky.social/post/3llwdagmsh225

    HE's GOING AFTER THE LIBRARIANS. HOW CAN YOU TOLERATE THIS?
    Sash! This used to be a library.
    I'm not joking. I think Musk is evil to do this. How dare he, and how dare Trump empower him to do this. Bastards, both of them. And that's only because the mods wont let me use the proper word for them.
    I'm not sure if it's still there, but there used to be a sign in the Bodleian Library saying "Ask Google and get a million answers; ask a Librarian and get one, correct, answer". I fear that shutting down access to sources of objective truth is one of the standard hallmarks of a tyrant, and in my opinion that is what we are seeing right now. Of course, Joe Redneck will say, "Yeah, we don't need libraries, everything is on line now!" and that is exactly the problem - who controls what we see on line?
    This is also a cancelling of congressional funds which is a total usurp of power by
    executive etc.

    One day I hope this gang will be held properly accountable by the law.
    That’s what I don’t understand.

    A majority of politicians, especially in the US, go into politics because of power and prestige

    But Congress is standing by and letting the executive take all their power with nary a whisper. Is it really just prestige?
    TBH I thought we were clear on this. Apologies if I am repeating.

    Trump turned the GOP into a Trump family operation around a year ago - Laura Trump being the boss iirc, and the ones who were not Trump arselickers were expelled.

    He then looted the GOP funds - very likely illegally - to pay for his personal lawyers.

    Now he (and Elon) have threatened any Congress (and Senate) who do not kneel under the table and lick-the-boot (to use a polite metaphor) with "primarying", backed up by a $25m campaign budget from Musk.

    Primarying is I think the USA version of
    "deselection", except that it is putting up an
    alternative Trump-local candidate for the
    post of the Representative.

    If there are any non-Trumpists left, and allegedly there are, they are just shit-
    scared.
    That is what. I am asking *why*

    If you have no power what is the point of being a Congressman or woman?

    It is similar to the situation in UK Labour during the Corbyn years.

    Lots of Labour MP's hated Corbyn and wished he would disappear, but couldn't do anything about it. So, they just kept their heads down and voted along Party lines.

    I mean, imagine if Corbyn had won the election and become Prime Minister. He would have been able to do a lot of crazy things before there would have been an open revolt among Labour MP's.
    They didn't just keep quiet and put out sycophantic Tweets in praise of Corbyn though. Many openly criticised him and they tried unsuccessfully to force him out. It's not the inability of Congressional Republicans to get rid of Trump that's the worrying thing, it's their silence and open complicity.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,353
    Pagan2 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chlorinated Food.

    This is the type of chlorine washed salad eaten every day by millions of people in the UK.

    Yet there is outrage over chlorinated chicken.

    Simple solution - just don't buy it.

    It's not that complicated.

    https://x.com/LeeAndersonMP_/status/1908481747332878430

    Fundamentally for me this is why Reform has a low ceiling. Just too many divergent opinions.

    He's normally a loon but he is entirely correct on this one though.

    Its unscientific, protectionist BS.

    On food safety alone there is absolutely no argument - its safe.
    That's not quite true: the US has significantly more salmonella cases per capita than the UK. 26,500 people were hospitalized if the US with salmonella poisoning last year, against just just a 1,000 in the UK.
    Some Americans have a habit of washing chicken in the sink before cooking it, which probably just increases cross-contamination.
    My Mum always washes chicken in the sink before cooking it*.

    * for herself, of course :)

    I always wash chicken. Who is saying it shouldn't be washed? Idiotic. Naturally you then clean the sink.
    Why the hell would you wash it?

    Of course it shouldn't. It should be cooked.

    Cooking it gets rid of anything that you don't want, washing it just spreads whatever you're washing around the kitchen and serves no hygienic purpose not served by cooking it.
    Yeah, there's no need to wash as long as you cool properly. Absolutely nothing survives an hour and twenty minutes at 180C/200C lol! 😂

    You should of course wash your hands after handling, however. 👍
    I cook my boneless chicken thighs 15 minutes in the air fryer at 185C which works well too, turning it over half-way. Chicken breast I give 20 minutes.

    Absolutely agreed on washing hands, and having separate utensils/boards etc for raw etc - that's what your sink is for, washing your hands, not your meat!
    I cook chicken breasts in the air fryer as you do at 180 for 20 minutes turning the breast over after 10 minutes

    I also cook a whole chicken in the air fryer at 180 for 60 minutes with 20 minutes breast down then turning it

    It works perfectly and tastes exceptional though it is M & S British chicken

    Also hygiene and washing hands and utensils is paramount but I do not wash the chicken or the breasts
    I'm going to call into Big G's this summer for some roast chicken! :D
    You would be more than welcome
    Big G suddenly goes why are there are a 100 people knocking on my door seeking roast chicken
    A good deed never goes unpunished.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,972
    MattW said:

    One thing I think I learned this week is that I can't buy back pension record gaps for the period when I was in a contracted-out scheme.

    Complicated :cold_sweat: .

    They’ve multiplied down those years, but against a lower total needed for full pension, so effectively you have to cover the reduction either by working longer or covering any gaps you had anyway.
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