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  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,473
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic, can anyone think of some seriously horrible drinks?

    I am compiling a list, for a project, of the world's worst beverages. They don't have to be alcoholic. eg a friend has just told me of "Franz Josef Bitter Water" which is apparently the world's most disgusting water

    McEwans Lager, weak and horrible tasting.
    It keeps dying and then returning, currently deceased I think.

    WORSE THAN CARLING!
    But not as bad as Tennents.
    Someone I was at school with used to drink what he called purple nasties

    a pint of snake bite made out of special brew and hard scrumpy with blackcurrent cordial and a shot of pernod and a shot of baileys added.....it curdled in the glass and a straw would stand upright in it
    And the winner is …..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,849
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic, can anyone think of some seriously horrible drinks?

    I am compiling a list, for a project, of the world's worst beverages. They don't have to be alcoholic. eg a friend has just told me of "Franz Josef Bitter Water" which is apparently the world's most disgusting water

    Red Bull, of course.

    Most orange liqueurs. Far too sweet.

    Limoncello; tastes chemical.

    Fernet Branca.

    Most US soft drinks.

    WKD.
    Unicum

    And that dreadful digestif that the Italians make out of artichokes

    Limoncello; Tesco economy air freshener in a bottle

    And Laphroaig, if you’re not in the right mood for it.
    There’s a drink that has the word ‘cum’ in its name?

    Oh my days.

    This is going to amuse me for literally years.
    If you haven’t come across it, it’s probably the worst tasting thing that so far you haven’t tasted

    https://www.bestofhungary.co.uk/products/zwack-unicum
    And if you have come across it ... ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,849
    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic, can anyone think of some seriously horrible drinks?

    I am compiling a list, for a project, of the world's worst beverages. They don't have to be alcoholic. eg a friend has just told me of "Franz Josef Bitter Water" which is apparently the world's most disgusting water

    Red Bull, of course.

    Most orange liqueurs. Far too sweet.

    Limoncello; tastes chemical.

    Fernet Branca.

    Most US soft drinks.

    WKD.
    Unicum

    And that dreadful digestif that the Italians make out of artichokes

    Limoncello; Tesco economy air freshener in a bottle

    And Laphroaig (/Lagavulin), if you’re not in the right mood for it.
    Both Laphroaig and Lagavulin are estimable.
    Talisker is the malt which tends to divide the critics, but I like it.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,259

    Roger said:

    tlg86 said:

    Does this mean that niece will be the candidate? She's proper scary.

    Wasn’t there a falling out with the Le Pen niece?
    A Pen without ink.....
    Good ol’ Wikipedia. She’s more far right than Marine. She supported Jean-Marie, her grandfather, when Marine had him expelled from the party. She ended up in Reconquête, Zemmour’s party, and supported him over Marine in the 2022 presidential election. She became a Reconquête MEP, but got chucked out of the party by calling for people to vote RN (Marine’s party) in the 2024 legislative election after a rapprochement with Marine. She then joined the ECR group in the European Parliament. You remember, the group David Cameron co-founded. She now leads a relatively new French party, Identity–Liberties, which is close to RN.
    The Le Pen name itself is terminal in France. It'll get you so far but too many dislike fascists whatever the alternative and generations of fascists standing on the right brings back memories
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,493
    A fictitious tv programme:

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1906697638306554207

    @Keir_Starmer
    As a father, watching Adolescence with my teenage son and daughter hit home hard.

    We all need to be having these conversations more.

    I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools across the country, so as many young people as possible can see it.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,611
    If you want foul tasting healthy drinks, get a juicer.

    As a rule of thumb, the darker green the juice, the worse it tastes.

    Kale usually does the trick.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,691
    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic, can anyone think of some seriously horrible drinks?

    I am compiling a list, for a project, of the world's worst beverages. They don't have to be alcoholic. eg a friend has just told me of "Franz Josef Bitter Water" which is apparently the world's most disgusting water

    McEwans Lager, weak and horrible tasting.
    It keeps dying and then returning, currently deceased I think.

    WORSE THAN CARLING!
    Stone's tinned bitter, if they still make it.
    Bud Light
    Yak butter tea isn't my cup of tea.
    I've been asking my well-travelled journalistic colleagues out here in Uzbekistan for their examples of terrible drinks

    One mentioned "truffle gin", which does indeed sound repulsive. Gin flavoured with truffle???? Eeek

    But apparently camel milk is OK. "Gamey golden top" was the description

    Have you ever read 'Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant' by Joel Golby? Strikes me as not entirely outwith your alley. Anyway, he writes entertainingly on the subject of camel milk. Can make you shit almost instantly. Foisting it on unsuspecting westerners is a great sport, apparently.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,335
    .
    tlg86 said:

    A fictitious tv programme:

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1906697638306554207

    @Keir_Starmer
    As a father, watching Adolescence with my teenage son and daughter hit home hard.

    We all need to be having these conversations more.

    I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools across the country, so as many young people as possible can see it.

    A real TV programme depicting a fictional story.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,330
    Horrible drinks:

    Limoncello, Baileys Irish Cream, Harvey’s Bristol Cream, Pere Patriarch French wine, Blue Nun, Benedictine, Buckfast Tonic Wine, Blue Curacao, Tokay, Crème de Menthe.

    Some of the above are okay for food preparation, however.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,473
    tlg86 said:

    A fictitious tv programme:

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1906697638306554207

    @Keir_Starmer
    As a father, watching Adolescence with my teenage son and daughter hit home hard.

    We all need to be having these conversations more.

    I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools across the country, so as many young people as possible can see it.

    Next, what about showing Mr. Bates v The Post Office for free in all politicians, civil servants, lawyers and quango offices?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,439
    edited March 31
    tlg86 said:

    A fictitious tv programme:

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1906697638306554207

    @Keir_Starmer
    As a father, watching Adolescence with my teenage son and daughter hit home hard.

    We all need to be having these conversations more.

    I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools across the country, so as many young people as possible can see it.

    "I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools"

    Presumably what this actually means is that the government is going to pay Netflix to show it. "Free at the point of delivery."
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,427
    Oh dear, what a pity, never mind...

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Tesla shares have fallen 7% on the opening of the New York stock exchange, the biggest fall of any tech company.

    Meanwhile, the S&P 500 also dropped generally on fears of Trump’s tariffs coming into effect on April 2.

    #TrumpSlump

    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3llojdnlxr22r
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,362
    Sean_F said:

    Horrible drinks:

    Limoncello, Baileys Irish Cream, Harvey’s Bristol Cream, Pere Patriarch French wine, Blue Nun, Benedictine, Buckfast Tonic Wine, Blue Curacao, Tokay, Crème de Menthe.

    Some of the above are okay for food preparation, however.

    Benedictine is very nice in a Bobbie Burns cocktail, but I've never drunk it on its own.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,560
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic, can anyone think of some seriously horrible drinks?

    I am compiling a list, for a project, of the world's worst beverages. They don't have to be alcoholic. eg a friend has just told me of "Franz Josef Bitter Water" which is apparently the world's most disgusting water

    McEwans Lager, weak and horrible tasting.
    It keeps dying and then returning, currently deceased I think.

    WORSE THAN CARLING!
    But not as bad as Tennents.
    Someone I was at school with used to drink what he called purple nasties

    a pint of snake bite made out of special brew and hard scrumpy with blackcurrent cordial and a shot of pernod and a shot of baileys added.....it curdled in the glass and a straw would stand upright in it
    There was a 'fashion' for Airdie Cocktails back in the day. 50/50 Night Nurse (the proper stuff) and Buckfast.

  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 149

    tlg86 said:

    A fictitious tv programme:

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1906697638306554207

    @Keir_Starmer
    As a father, watching Adolescence with my teenage son and daughter hit home hard.

    We all need to be having these conversations more.

    I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools across the country, so as many young people as possible can see it.

    "I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools"

    Presumably what this actually means is that the government is going to pay Netflix to show it.
    Having watched it the other day I'd say kids will be bored to tears by most of it.

    The first episode was like watching a decent episode of 24 hours in police custody then they went downhill fast after that. Apart from the impressive 1 take not cut scenes, I can't say I get the hype.
  • Sorry, haven't read all posts, has anyone asked Leon if he's tried a ladyboy ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fh6EUQ41JU
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,832
    Scott_xP said:

    Oh dear, what a pity, never mind...

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Tesla shares have fallen 7% on the opening of the New York stock exchange, the biggest fall of any tech company.

    Meanwhile, the S&P 500 also dropped generally on fears of Trump’s tariffs coming into effect on April 2.

    #TrumpSlump

    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3llojdnlxr22r

    The Trump slump and its effects on the investment fortunes of Congress and holdings of ordinary Americans might be his Waterloo.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,362

    tlg86 said:

    A fictitious tv programme:

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1906697638306554207

    @Keir_Starmer
    As a father, watching Adolescence with my teenage son and daughter hit home hard.

    We all need to be having these conversations more.

    I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools across the country, so as many young people as possible can see it.

    "I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools"

    Presumably what this actually means is that the government is going to pay Netflix to show it.
    Having watched it the other day I'd say kids will be bored to tears by most of it.

    The first episode was like watching a decent episode of 24 hours in police custody then they went downhill fast after that. Apart from the impressive 1 take not cut scenes, I can't say I get the hype.
    I've not seen it yet but my 16yo son has watched it and I think liked it. It seems to be quite popular with his peers.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,691

    .

    tlg86 said:

    A fictitious tv programme:

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1906697638306554207

    @Keir_Starmer
    As a father, watching Adolescence with my teenage son and daughter hit home hard.

    We all need to be having these conversations more.

    I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools across the country, so as many young people as possible can see it.

    A real TV programme depicting a fictional story.
    Good pedantry. Have five points.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,428
    tlg86 said:

    A fictitious tv programme:

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1906697638306554207

    @Keir_Starmer
    As a father, watching Adolescence with my teenage son and daughter hit home hard.

    We all need to be having these conversations more.

    I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools across the country, so as many young people as possible can see it.

    And probably a fictitious anecdote.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,120
    edited March 31
    Has Midori been done? Not absolutely foul to drink but the melon infused burps and hangover are fckn awful.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,832

    tlg86 said:

    A fictitious tv programme:

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1906697638306554207

    @Keir_Starmer
    As a father, watching Adolescence with my teenage son and daughter hit home hard.

    We all need to be having these conversations more.

    I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools across the country, so as many young people as possible can see it.

    Next, what about showing Mr. Bates v The Post Office for free in all politicians, civil servants, lawyers and quango offices?
    They did, which is why Parliament legislated to clear subpostmasters (if not compensate them). The joke went around that after Mr Bates and Adolescence, what Lucy Letby needs is a three-part drama.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,427
    It seems like Trumpski is going to announce a universal 20% tariff tomorrow
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,225

    Sorry, haven't read all posts, has anyone asked Leon if he's tried a ladyboy ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fh6EUQ41JU

    There is a great yarn on Reddit about some lucky mongerer who gets two LBs back to his hotel. They start fucking the shit out of each other and he can't get rid of them. The writing style was somewhat redolent but actually funny so, on balance, dunno.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,428
    Cookie said:

    .

    tlg86 said:

    A fictitious tv programme:

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1906697638306554207

    @Keir_Starmer
    As a father, watching Adolescence with my teenage son and daughter hit home hard.

    We all need to be having these conversations more.

    I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools across the country, so as many young people as possible can see it.

    A real TV programme depicting a fictional story.
    Good pedantry. Have five points.
    And a bonus point for correctly spelling 'programme'.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,819
    edited March 31

    algarkirk said:

    viewcode said:

    algarkirk said:

    Just noting FPT that Lord Sumption has apparently come out in favour of Letby being perhaps innocent, though the report in the Mail is extremely thin and adds nothing of substance to the story, though Sumption is one of the weightiest figure in the law.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14553061/supreme-court-judge-Lucy-Letby-innocent.html

    FWIW, though I think the case against Letby is sound, I think there is going to be enough for the CCRC to refer the verdicts back to the Court of Appeal.

    That's the easy bit. There is a very recent example of how the CA deals with CCRC referrals, from a case where the evidence is very thin indeed and where there was apparent grounds that a 'cell confession' (a notorious field) had been retracted by the unreliable criminal alleging it had been made.

    The CA carved through it with an interesting mix of scalpel and bulldozer, upholding the conviction. Not for the faint hearted it is here:

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2025/345.html

    Compared with this the case against Letby is strong.

    I have no idea on the Letby case (guilt is deterministic not statistical and statistical evidence should not be sufficient for a guilty verdict) but "Supreme Judge has an reckon because some of the people he knows has a reckon" has exactly the same status as "bloke down the pub said so". Sumption is far too keen on talking to the press.
    The evidence against Letby -- which was presented over 26 weeks, which shows how much there was and how much it was scrutinised -- was not purely statistical.
    I wasn't at the trial but SFAICS no expert statistical evidence was called; it didn't enter into the trial (correct me if I am wrong).

    It is not statistical evidence to say that occurrences XYZABCDEFG occurred when person A was present on each occasion. It is factual evidence.

    Statistical evidence is when a DNA sample is found at location X, and an expert says there is a 1 in Y chance of it belonging/not belonging to person Z.
    Thats playing fast and loose with how the evidence was used. If you say "XYZABCDEFG occurred when person A" - how likely was that? Then you are using the public's perception of statistics.
    Don’t all trials involve saying something along the lines of “how likely was that”? That’s how trials work.

    I was on a jury trial once, in a murder case. We were shown various lines of evidence, including (grainy) CCTV footage of the accused or someone very similar looking going towards where the murder was convicted and, shortly after, running away from the scene. That’s circumstantial evidence: there was no video of the murder. We were asked how likely was that. How likely was it that someone very similar looking and dressed the same would’ve have been in the recording? How likely was it that the accused was the man in the footage? How likely was it, if he was the man in the footage, that he had committed the murder?
    Yes. Every single contested criminal case rests on the tribunal coming to a decision, in our jurisdiction the test being 'satisfied so that you are sure' or 'beyond reasonable doubt', based upon the totality of the evidence presented. All evidence is evidence about circumstances, or circumstantial, apart from expert evidence when it goes into expert opinion and, evidence of what was said after the event.

    You could describe, in every case, the tribunal as undertaking a pop statistical exercise based on experience and common sense. They aren't. Statistics is forensic and expert evidence exercise.

    BTW in the recent CA case I linked above in this thread, though the evidence was exceedingly thin, the CA will have known perfectly well, as will everyone involved in the case, that the appellant was guilty, as he did not give evidence in the trial. People who were somewhere else when a rival is murdered say so and provide evidence, especially when facing 30+ years in prison.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,439
    Scott_xP said:

    It seems like Trumpski is going to announce a universal 20% tariff tomorrow

    He's inventing the principle of "most disfavoured nation" status. All foreign countries get treated as badly as the worst to ensure fairness.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,675
    One of @Leon ’s more successful thread derailments today, and one I don’t think many would object to.

    We had a PB sub thread about drinks that are only nice in their home environment a while back. Some of those noted here fall into that category: retsina and pastis/ouzo in particular.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,427
    @JenniferJJacobs

    Three US soldiers were found dead today in Lithuania after their armored vehicle sunk into a bog on March 25 while conducting a mission to repair and tow an immobilized tactical vehicle; search continues for the fourth soldier, US Army says.

    https://x.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1906712869833498731
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,404

    NEW THREAD

  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,225
    Is the Fukkers' new slogan "Reform'll Fix It" some sort of postfoundationalist deification of Jimmy Savile as the ultimate rejection of woke? Or is it just fucking stupid?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,264

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic, can anyone think of some seriously horrible drinks?

    I am compiling a list, for a project, of the world's worst beverages. They don't have to be alcoholic. eg a friend has just told me of "Franz Josef Bitter Water" which is apparently the world's most disgusting water

    McEwans Lager, weak and horrible tasting.
    It keeps dying and then returning, currently deceased I think.

    WORSE THAN CARLING!
    Stone's tinned bitter, if they still make it.
    Bud Light
    Yak butter tea isn't my cup of tea.
    I've been asking my well-travelled journalistic colleagues out here in Uzbekistan for their examples of terrible drinks

    One mentioned "truffle gin", which does indeed sound repulsive. Gin flavoured with truffle???? Eeek

    But apparently camel milk is OK. "Gamey golden top" was the description

    Sounds foul. Local Greek wine is usually undrinkable, especially if accompanied by the dreaded words 'we produce it ourselves from grapes from our own vineyards'. If you hear this in Greece tell them that you are on antibiotics and aren't allowed to drink alcohol, or you have a grape allergy, or you have recently converted to Islam,
    You're probably talking about retsina, which is an acquired taste.
    As usual you are wrong.

    Retsina is just a bad attempt to disguise the foul taste of the wine.

    Context: I lived in Greece for 3 years.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,819
    Sean_F said:

    Horrible drinks:

    Limoncello, Baileys Irish Cream, Harvey’s Bristol Cream, Pere Patriarch French wine, Blue Nun, Benedictine, Buckfast Tonic Wine, Blue Curacao, Tokay, Crème de Menthe.

    Some of the above are okay for food preparation, however.

    Bristol cream is fine for the right person on the right occasion. An old friend of mine died age 101 having lived for some years on Harvey's Bristol Cream and jaffa cakes. But, top tip, IMHO Lidl's something something sherry is about half the price and does the trick just as well. We get through about a bottle of year.

    Everyone should keep it in, in case the wealthy maiden great aunt, of whom you have hopes and expectations, comes to visit.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,145

    tlg86 said:

    A fictitious tv programme:

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1906697638306554207

    @Keir_Starmer
    As a father, watching Adolescence with my teenage son and daughter hit home hard.

    We all need to be having these conversations more.

    I've backed Netflix's plan to show the series for free in schools across the country, so as many young people as possible can see it.

    Next, what about showing Mr. Bates v The Post Office for free in all politicians, civil servants, lawyers and quango offices?
    I’m sure Ed ‘the hammer of the postmasters’ Davey will give it a miss.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,280
    Bukhara at night is phenomenally beautiful
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,930

    Sorry, haven't read all posts, has anyone asked Leon if he's tried a ladyboy ?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fh6EUQ41JU

    GODDAMIT I'M AT WORK AND I JUST CLICKED ON THAT.

    :(:(:(:(
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,390
    kamski said:

    Interesting how much of Biden's clean energy investment was in swing states:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/31/clean-energy-spending-republicans-trump

    Yet Harris didn't think it was worth campaigning on.

    Now Harris is a liberal lawyer from California so banging on about abortion and trans rights was her comfort zone.

    But didn't the Dem establishment have anyone with the experience or empathy to realise where and what to campaign on ?

    Did the Dems really learn nothing from Hilary's failed campaign in 2016 ?

    Harris was a poor candidate, but AFAIK she didn't bang on about trans rights. But the Republicans did.

    https://www.npr.org/2024/10/19/g-s1-28932/donald-trump-transgender-ads-kamala-harris

    Voters consistently say issues like the economy and reproductive rights are their top concerns in this election. But in the closing weeks of the campaign, Republican ads focusing on transgender rights are dominating airwaves all over the country.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/kamala-harris-trans-rights-platform/

    Harris has been virtually silent on trans rights
    Desperate for answers on what went wrong on Election Day, finger-pointing among Democrats and media pundits has been swift. Many — in private — are holding President Joe Biden responsible. Others are blaming the operatives who have run the party’s last several campaigns. But some are pointing to an issue with far less power in American politics: transgender rights.

    “The Democrats have to stop pandering to the far left,” Rep. Tom Suozzi, D-N.Y., told The New York Times on Wednesday. “I don’t want to discriminate against anybody, but I don’t think biological boys should be playing in girls’ sports.”

    Rep. Seth Moulton, D-Mass., shared a similar view, telling the Times on Thursday: “Democrats spend way too much time trying not to offend anyone rather than being brutally honest about the challenges many Americans face. I have two little girls. I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete, but as a Democrat, I’m supposed to be afraid to say that.”


    https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/democrats-blame-partys-position-transgender-rights-part-harris-loss-rcna179370
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,390

    Interesting how much of Biden's clean energy investment was in swing states:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/31/clean-energy-spending-republicans-trump

    Yet Harris didn't think it was worth campaigning on.

    Now Harris is a liberal lawyer from California so banging on about abortion and trans rights was her comfort zone.

    But didn't the Dem establishment have anyone with the experience or empathy to realise where and what to campaign on ?

    Did the Dems really learn nothing from Hilary's failed campaign in 2016 ?

    She did campaign on clean energy. You mistake Republican claims as to what she campaigned on with what she actually campaigned on.
    Clean energy is not the same as cheap energy.

    If a government invests tens/hundreds of billions in clean energy it needs to show the benefits.

    And those factories and their jobs were visible benefits. Benefits which the Dems did not campaign on. And by not campaigning on them they conceded the economic argument to Trump.
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