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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,405
    Nigelb said:

    So far then, we've got Big_G and spouse, Leon, and the JD Vances.

    The quality of visitors to Greenland is somewhat variable.
    I have been to both Greenland and Iceland and I would like to say both are hopelessly misnamed.

    Greenland should be named Iceland and Iceland should be named Greenland.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,586
    Dopermean said:

    Part of the reason it doesn't work is that tax experts from the big 4 are seconded to help
    with these tax schemes then sell consultancy on how to exploit them. The "patent box" was one example.
    I’m sure that our resident big 4 tax partner would never sully his hands with that
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,859

    I have been to both Greenland and Iceland and I would like to say both are hopelessly misnamed.

    Greenland should be named Iceland and Iceland should be named Greenland.
    Viking irony.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,859
    I served two combat tours in Iraq. I know how these operations are supposed to go.

    Top takeaways:

    1) Hegseth definitively exposed CLASSIFIED war plans.

    2) Hegseth must resign. IMMEDIATELY.

    3) This is a cover-up at the highest levels of government.

    Let me explain...

    https://x.com/PatRyanUC/status/1904898412438249593

  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286

    My wife and I have been to Greenland so not quite unique in that respect
    When I was in Ilullisat I did hear talk of “strange visitors from Celtic wastelands, bearing endless tales of children in the far west” but I thought it was more gloomy Inuit mythology


    Only joking, Big G
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,385
    Nigelb said:

    So far then, we've got Big_G and spouse, Leon, and the JD Vances.

    The quality of visitors to Greenland is somewhat variable.
    I think we only have one outlier there and that is counting @Big_G_NorthWales and his wife as one.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286

    "With friends like these, who needs Yemenis?"
    Is that all your own work?

    👏
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,385
    edited March 27

    I have been to both Greenland and Iceland and I would like to say both are hopelessly misnamed.

    Greenland should be named Iceland and Iceland should be named Greenland.
    I don't know what happened between your trip and my trip to Iceland, but green it isn't (mostly) and what is green is mainly moss, which I suppose does make it largely green (sigh).
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,683

    I’m sure that our resident big 4 tax partner would never sully his hands with that
    Dopermean’s original post is based on social media misquoting of media misinterpretation of a nonsense story dating back to well over a decade ago.

    As usual people on the outside, particularly journalists looking for scoops, assume degrees of conspiracy and Machiavellian manoeuvring several orders of magnitude removed from the very prosaic reality.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,090
    Politically, for re-election, it's the NHS and cost of living that matter most.

    Poverty would largely affect the activist base.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,388
    Leon said:

    Is that all your own work?

    👏
    Sadly, I have to fess up and say no. It was....

    Boris, at a summit dealing with Yemen, in September 2017.
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson#Attributed
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,842

    I have been to both Greenland and Iceland and I would like to say both are hopelessly misnamed.

    Greenland should be named Iceland and Iceland should be named Greenland.
    That was a Mitchell & Webb sketch.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOBhf8f7cXM
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,683
    kjh said:

    I think we only have one outlier there and that is counting @Big_G_NorthWales and his wife as one.
    I think we should start calling Greenland “Big G”. It fits. @Big_G_NorthAtlantic
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,405
    edited March 27
    kjh said:

    I don't know what happened between your trip and my trip to Iceland, but green it isn't (mostly) and what is green is mainly moss, which I suppose does make it largely green (sigh).
    This is the sort of greenery I saw in Iceland.




    https://icelandtrippers.com/summer-in-iceland/
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,451
    @lepettre

    According to Danish TV2, representatives from the USA have been going door-to-door in Nuuk over the past few days to find Greenlanders who wanted to be visited by Usha Vance. After they failed to find anyone, the visit was cancelled.

    https://x.com/lepettre/status/1905024080668962956
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,123
    The NDP go even lower with the latest Canadian poll.

    Lib 45% (+1)
    Con 41% (+1)
    NDP 6% (-1)
    Grn 1% (-1)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2025_Canadian_federal_election#National_polls
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,451
    @shashj

    Seriously disturbing. “"We need Greenland for international safety and security. We need it. We have to have it," Trump told podcaster Vince Coglianese. "I hate to put it that way, but we're going to have to have it."”

    https://x.com/shashj/status/1904981721428197621
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,385
    edited March 27

    This is the sort of greenery I saw in Iceland.




    https://icelandtrippers.com/summer-in-iceland/
    Yeah, its moss though. OK I'm wrong as you can guess I realised after my multiple edits trying to worm my way out of my first ridiculous statement.

    Greenland though - That is not white.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,894
    kjh said:

    I don't know what happened between your trip and my trip to Iceland, but green it isn't (mostly) and what is green is mainly moss, which I suppose does make it largely green (sigh).
    To be fair we also did Iceland and Greenland together but we had to leave Greenland a few hours early as an Atlantic hurricane was threatening our voyage back to Southampton
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,272
    Leon said:

    Right now the Guardian website has four stories at the top, all different versions of “Rachel Reeves is a cruel, lying, incompetent clown”

    Unbelievable hostility to a Labour Chancellor. I wonder if Labour’s polling might dip below 20

    Labour have a real voter coalition problem (the same as the Tories). It is probably - at least partially - fixable in the next few years, but it’s not a given.

    Their left wing could desert them to LDs/Greens/Gaza Indys, some of the WWC vote to Reform, and then all they’ve really got left is their middle class vote - and if they don’t improve their economic lot, those votes might start to have their heads turned by the Tories.

    They’re trying to build a Blairite coalition that doesn’t exist anymore.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,756
    TimS said:

    I think we should start calling Greenland “Big G”. It fits. @Big_G_NorthAtlantic
    Thts why Goldberg was in the Signal chat.

    Waltz and Hegseth thought he was representing the Atlantic Ocean, rather than The Atlantic magazine. It's an easy mistake to make.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,756
    edited March 27
    Scott_xP said:

    @shashj

    Seriously disturbing. “"We need Greenland for international safety and security. We need it. We have to have it," Trump told podcaster Vince Coglianese. "I hate to put it that way, but we're going to have to have it."”

    https://x.com/shashj/status/1904981721428197621

    Greenland is part of a NATO country and already has a US airbase. What more was needed?

    Of course if you are planning to leave NATO this no longer applies.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,586

    No wonder the King in Government makes so many bad decisions if that's the quality of his Counsellors!
    You do realise the Cabinet is a sub-committee of the King’s Privy Council?
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,915

    Victory for those wanting to import more oil and gas - and those countries that export the stuff to us.
    Just Stop Oil never protested at the Saudi or Iranian embassies, did they?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,752

    I know that it's regarded as a political no-no, but I do wonder if Sir Keir would be better served shifting her to the Foreign Office sooner rather than later and getting Wes in. I don't think I've seen as CoE lose every modicum of goodwill so quickly and so comprehensively. Norman Lamont perhaps, but even that's a close-run thing.
    What has the Foreign Office ever done to you? "Rachel From Travel" has a certain ring to it, and I guess she would be able to get all sorts of freebies in that job
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,446
    edited March 27

    What has the Foreign Office ever done to you? "Rachel From Travel" has a certain ring to it, and I guess she would be able to get all sorts of freebies in that job
    She knows how to Thomas [Cook] the books.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,752

    JD Vance compared Trump to Hitler. That's one forgiven right there.
    I suspect Trump thought it a compliment. Seriously!
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,821
    Not long ago the deportation of a BBC journalist by a NATO member democracy would have been a big story. Changing times. Perhaps it won't be a huge story when the USA joins Turkey in this or similar actions.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly34rg5ee5o
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,980
    Scott_xP said:

    @shashj

    Seriously disturbing. “"We need Greenland for international safety and security. We need it. We have to have it," Trump told podcaster Vince Coglianese. "I hate to put it that way, but we're going to have to have it."”

    https://x.com/shashj/status/1904981721428197621

    At what point does Denmark start shipping guns to Greenlandic citizens? This is literally a signpost to an invasion.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,586
    TimS said:

    No wonder he seems to like Macron. Handsomest male political leader.
    And yet he saw Trudeau as a rival…
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286
    kjh said:

    Yeah, its moss though. OK I'm wrong as you can guess I realised after my multiple edits trying to worm my way out of my first ridiculous statement.

    Greenland though - That is not white.
    Here’s my Iceland photo, from 2023



    All looks quite icy. But we were in the “ice cave of Vatnajokull” (a brilliantly scary place if you haven’t been)
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,752

    Just Stop Oil never protested at the Saudi or Iranian embassies, did they?
    Probably similar reasons as to why the League Against Cruel Sports doesn't protest outside travellers campsites to attempt to stop hare coursing
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,123
    Maybe Trump's cunning plan wrt Canada was to wipe out the main left-of-centre party in the shape of the NDP.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,859
    Scott_xP said:

    @shashj

    Seriously disturbing. “"We need Greenland for international safety and security. We need it. We have to have it," Trump told podcaster Vince Coglianese. "I hate to put it that way, but we're going to have to have it."”

    https://x.com/shashj/status/1904981721428197621

    What an arse.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,752
    Nigelb said:

    What an arse.
    Trump or Scott_xP?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286

    At what point does Denmark start shipping guns to Greenlandic citizens? This is literally a signpost to an invasion.
    If Trump is serious then Greenland is finished. No way Denmark can defend it against the USA, nor can 50,000 Greenlanders fight off the USMC

    It could all be done and dusted in a day
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,752
    Leon said:

    If Trump is serious then Greenland is finished. No way Denmark can defend it against the USA, nor can 50,000 Greenlanders fight off the USMC

    It could all be done and dusted in a day
    Don't fret. it isn't going to happen.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,272
    edited March 27

    Politically, for re-election, it's the NHS and cost of living that matter most.

    Poverty would largely affect the activist base.

    COL and “poverty” are linked though.

    Benefits cuts are always popular on paper but similar to tax rises (on anyone other than yourself). There will be a lot of people in the country related to or knowing someone who will be impacted by benefits changes and that has the possibility of turning entire families away from Labour, who would be traditional supporters. This was also one of the issues, I suspect, with the WFA cut and why it resonated so deeply.

    I don’t have the answers for Labour, I just comment that one of the reasons why they are so low in the polls has to be that a lot of their policies of late have really miffed a number of people who think “Labour are supposed to be on my side” .
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,980
    Leon said:

    If Trump is serious then Greenland is finished. No way Denmark can defend it against the USA, nor can 50,000 Greenlanders fight off the USMC

    It could all be done and dusted in a day
    They could make things difficult for them as any insurgency can. Nobody is suggesting Denmark or Greenland can fight off the US Army…
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,123
    "Nigel Farage gets NatWest payout over debanking row
    Reform leader’s Coutts account was closed in 2023 because of his political views" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/26/nigel-farage-gets-natwest-payout-over-debanking-row/
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 930

    Don't fret. it isn't going to happen.
    You think? What odds would you be offering?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,388
    Leon said:

    If Trump is serious then Greenland is finished. No way Denmark can defend it against the USA, nor can 50,000 Greenlanders fight off the USMC

    It could all be done and dusted in a day
    "Ah, Grenada! Five hours of firefight, five weeks of surf!"
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,825

    Don't fret. it isn't going to happen.
    Operation Polar Glory is a Go.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,555
    edited March 27
    My Iceland photo from 2022.

    Dynjandi
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,385
    edited March 27
    Leon said:

    Here’s my Iceland photo, from 2023



    All looks quite icy. But we were in the “ice cave of Vatnajokull” (a brilliantly scary place if you haven’t been)
    Whilst I enjoyed my trip to Iceland it failed on most of its selling points:

    a) I didn't see the Northern lights even though we did 2 night time trips
    b) I did see dolphins and Minke whales, but have since seen a better display on a ferry from France to the UK
    c) It wasn't cold at all. It was significantly warmer than it should have been for the time of year

    Geyser was good though as was the Cod War boat and as was the Blue Lagoon which I believe is now closed for the ridiculous reason of an erupting volcano next door.

    PS And the waterfalls and standing on 2 continents simultaneously wasn't bad.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,752

    You think? What odds would you be offering?
    No odds. It is just called wisdom. Trump thinks he is a clever negotiator and part of his style of negotiation is playing the hard man. He is modelling himself on Putin and perhaps he thinks his legacy will be to make the USA bigger in his dementia riddled mind, and that could be a threat. I think though there is more likely to be a US coup than the US invading a territory owned by another NATO member. Even under this fecking lunatic.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286

    Don't fret. it isn't going to happen.
    This is Trump. He very often does exactly what he says - eg tariffs

    I thought he’d try and bribe the Greenlanders to accede. Give each one $50k. The USA can afford it

    But maybe he’ll just fly in the Marines (if they are willing to obey)
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,957

    They could make things difficult for them as any insurgency can. Nobody is suggesting Denmark or Greenland can fight off the US Army…
    Greenlanders have made it clear that they don't want to be part of the US. We'd have to back Denmark, a NATO ally and all-round good chaps (cyclists + monarchy + democracy). At the very least so the Argentinians don't get funny ideas.

    The key is to make sure that kind of stupidity never happens. If that means relocating Attenborough, Judi Dench, Princess Anne and 100 very cute cockapoos to Nuuk then so be it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,220
    Barnesian said:

    The King should visit Canada during the state visit.
    Trump should be offered a dinner with Andrew.

    In a Pizza Express in Woking.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,446
    Iconic non-AI images of Pikachu taking part in protests in Turkey:

    https://x.com/bilgeisback/status/1905216319424786920

    image
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,752
    Leon said:

    This is Trump. He very often does exactly what he says - eg tariffs

    I thought he’d try and bribe the Greenlanders to accede. Give each one $50k. The USA can afford it

    But maybe he’ll just fly in the Marines (if they are willing to obey)
    He could, but the USA would just be a bullying occupying force. He knows that no-one (except Russia) would recognise territorial ownership so it would be like squatters in Trump Tower. It would be meaningless. He will hope he can buy it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286
    edited March 27
    kjh said:

    Whilst I enjoyed my trip to Iceland it failed on most of its selling points:

    a) I didn't see the Northern lights even though we did 2 night time trips
    b) I did see dolphins and Minke whales, but have since seen a better display on a ferry from France to the UK
    c) It wasn't cold at all. It was significantly warmer than it should have been for the time of year

    Geyser was good though as was the Cod War boat and as was the Blue Lagoon which I believe is now closed for the ridiculous reason of an erupting volcano next door.

    PS And the waterfalls and standing on 2 continents simultaneously wasn't bad.
    I love Iceland. Been several times. That Ice Cave is one of the most beautiful & incredible places on earth

    They’ve even improved the food, of late

    The problem is the cost, esp booze. Luckily I don’t have to pay for most of it
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,388
    Leon said:

    If Trump is serious then Greenland is finished. No way Denmark can defend it against the USA, nor can 50,000 Greenlanders fight off the USMC

    It could all be done and dusted in a day
    Sad to remind everyone, during ze War, Denmark surrendered to Germany after only 6 HOURS (in April 1940).
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,752

    Trump should be offered a dinner with Andrew.

    In a Pizza Express in Woking.
    It's the only time I can think of where one thinks it is a shame Jimmy Saville is dead, because if he were not, he would be an ideal ambassador to the court of the Orange Clown.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,515
    Leon said:

    This is Trump. He very often does exactly what he says - eg tariffs

    I thought he’d try and bribe the Greenlanders to accede. Give each one $50k. The USA can afford it

    But maybe he’ll just fly in the Marines (if they are willing to obey)
    He might need to do both, Greenlanders won't accept US occupation peacefully without a big bribe
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,752

    Sad to remind everyone, during ze War, Denmark surrendered to Germany after only 6 HOURS (in April 1940).
    No surrender would be necessary. The US already has no restrictions. Sending in the big battalions will not suddenly confer ownership.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,515
    Eabhal said:

    Greenlanders have made it clear that they don't want to be part of the US. We'd have to back Denmark, a NATO ally and all-round good chaps (cyclists + monarchy + democracy). At the very least so the Argentinians don't get funny ideas.

    The key is to make sure that kind of stupidity never happens. If that means relocating Attenborough, Judi Dench, Princess Anne and 100 very cute cockapoos to Nuuk then so be it.
    Trump doesn't want the Falklands which have a bigger garrison than Greenland and unlike Denmark belong to a nation with nukes
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,859

    Iconic non-AI images of Pikachu taking part in protests in Turkey:

    https://x.com/bilgeisback/status/1905216319424786920

    image

    No use trying a Taser on him.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,446

    No surrender would be necessary. The US already has no restrictions. Sending in the big battalions will not suddenly confer ownership.
    He could repeat the Crimea strategy and send in little green men to organise a referendum.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,515

    Labour have a real voter coalition problem (the same as the Tories). It is probably - at least partially - fixable in the next few years, but it’s not a given.

    Their left wing could desert them to LDs/Greens/Gaza Indys, some of the WWC vote to Reform, and then all they’ve really got left is their middle class vote - and if they don’t improve their economic lot, those votes might start to have their heads turned by the Tories.

    They’re trying to build a Blairite coalition that doesn’t exist anymore.
    Yes the only voters who like Starmer and Reeves now are bankers and developers.

    The left hate them, the white working class hate them, farmers hate them, pensioners hate them and business owners hate them and now the public sector, civil servants and ex NHS England workers and the disabled and those on benefits hate them too
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,123
    Leon said:

    Right now the Guardian website has four stories at the top, all different versions of “Rachel Reeves is a cruel, lying, incompetent clown”

    Unbelievable hostility to a Labour Chancellor. I wonder if Labour’s polling might dip below 20

    Unfair on Reeves because she's doing the right thing and no-one likes it.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,385
    Eabhal said:

    Greenlanders have made it clear that they don't want to be part of the US. We'd have to back Denmark, a NATO ally and all-round good chaps (cyclists + monarchy + democracy). At the very least so the Argentinians don't get funny ideas.

    The key is to make sure that kind of stupidity never happens. If that means relocating Attenborough, Judi Dench, Princess Anne and 100 very cute cockapoos to Nuuk then so be it.


    He is ready to defend Greenland.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,740
    HYUFD said:

    Yes the only voters who like Starmer and Reeves now are bankers and developers.

    The left hate them, the white working class hate them, farmers hate them, pensioners hate them and business owners hate them and now the public sector, civil servants and ex NHS England workers and the disabled and those on benefits hate them too
    That's a real hatefest.
    I guess it also means that the roughly 25% who indicate they'd still vote Labour are all bankers and developers. Huge if true.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,359
    MattW said:

    There's been an Apprenticeship Levy since 2017, and it raises £3.5 billion per annum:

    The Apprenticeship Levy, a 0.5% levy on annual paybills exceeding £3 million, currently raises around £3.5 billion annually, with a portion allocated to the Department for Education (DfE) for apprenticeships in England and the remainder distributed to devolved governments.

    https://feweek.co.uk/apprenticeship-levy-cash-cow/
    The organisation of and rules around apprenticeships allowed in this scheme is a nightmare. I am constantly surprised how little attention it receives. Cut all the red tape and it would be a good scheme.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,144

    He could, but the USA would just be a bullying occupying force. He knows that no-one (except Russia) would recognise territorial ownership so it would be like squatters in Trump Tower. It would be meaningless. He will hope he can buy it.
    Any occupying force would be a the end of quite a long and vulnerable supply line. Everything would have to be flown or sailed in, over Canada or the sea. Supply ships and fat aircraft are very hittable targets for a missile.

    So, for that matter, are Air Force One and Mar-a-Lago.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,144

    Sad to remind everyone, during ze War, Denmark surrendered to Germany after only 6 HOURS (in April 1940).
    It took longer in 1864 though.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,515

    That's a real hatefest.
    I guess it also means that the roughly 25% who indicate they'd still vote Labour are all bankers and developers. Huge if true.
    25% would be the lowest Labour GE voteshare for 100 years and that was pre spending review
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,446

    Any occupying force would be a the end of quite a long and vulnerable supply line. Everything would have to be flown or sailed in, over Canada or the sea. Supply ships and fat aircraft are very hittable targets for a missile.

    So, for that matter, are Air Force One and Mar-a-Lago.
    Who do you think is going to be firing missiles at them?
  • Leon said:

    If Trump is serious then Greenland is finished. No way Denmark can defend it against the USA, nor can 50,000 Greenlanders fight off the USMC

    It could all be done and dusted in a day

    Indeed, there's no way for Denmark to stop the US taking Greenland by force. But it would very likely turn into an unmitigated disaster for Trump.

    NATO would die that day, taking all of the US' bases in Europe with it. What happens if the Greenlanders resist and the Marines are ordered to shoot civilians and some (possibly all) refuse? And would the US be prepared to start a shooting war if Europe mustered a fleet to take the island back?

    Bear traps everywhere.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,359
    Barnesian said:

    Trump likes good looking people who make good TV. That's his criterion.

    He admires Starmer's accent and thinks he is handsome.

    Speaking to Metro, Lip reading expert Jacqui Press reveals Trump reportedly said to Starmer: ‘How are you? Nice to see you here, good journey? ‘You look good… handsome.’

    And as for Starmer's wife Vic, well ,,,
    The US president said he was “very impressed” with Sir Keir Starmer's "beautiful wife".

    This is Starmer's edge with Trump. Jesus.

    You'd think Ukraine would deploy Olena Zelenska then.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,359
    PJH said:

    Perhaps, having turned their backs, everyone should do a moonie? The police can't arrest everyone!
    Moonies have been banned: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cge1lr7225yo
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,945

    Sad to remind everyone, during ze War, Denmark surrendered to Germany after only 6 HOURS (in April 1940).
    Look at a map, Sunil
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,446
    Starmer decides to follow up on a promise that’s over a year old.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1905238067843150186

    Confirmed: Ninja swords will be banned by this summer.

    When we promise action we take it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286

    Indeed, there's no way for Denmark to stop the US taking Greenland by force. But it would very likely turn into an unmitigated disaster for Trump.

    NATO would die that day, taking all of the US' bases in Europe with it. What happens if the Greenlanders resist and the Marines are ordered to shoot civilians and some (possibly all) refuse? And would the US be prepared to start a shooting war if Europe mustered a fleet to take the island back?

    Bear traps everywhere.
    Yes even for a lunatic like Trump a military assault looks absurdly risky - there would be a real chance his orders are disobeyed and then he’d be toppled and likely end in jail

    I revert to my earlier opinion. He will try and use bullying, bluster and basic cash. He will try and buy it with added menaces
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,515
    edited March 27
    Andy_JS said:

    The NDP go even lower with the latest Canadian poll.

    Lib 45% (+1)
    Con 41% (+1)
    NDP 6% (-1)
    Grn 1% (-1)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2025_Canadian_federal_election#National_polls

    Would be the highest Liberal voteshare since 1993 and the highest Conservative voteshare since 1988.

    PPC ahead of Greens now too
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,388
    viewcode said:

    Look at a map, Sunil
    Context is for Kings, Viewcode.

    @Leon was talking about Denmark hypothetically losing to the USA in a day. I provided a real, historical example when Denmark DID surrender within a day.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,945
    Andy_JS said:

    Unfair on Reeves because she's doing the right thing and no-one likes it.
    If I may politely disagree. The function of the Labour Party is to increase the wealth and opportunities of the working class and the poor. To do this it increases equality by taxing the rich and spreading that wealth to the poor. But the belief has spread that one cannot tax the rich (because they leave) so the only tool Labour have left is to impoverish and immiserate the poor and/or working class, therefore obviating the entire point of the Labour movement.

    If things keep going this way the South Wales Valleys will go Reform in 2029, which is Olympus has fallen for Labour. Starmer flirts unthinking with the destruction of his party, which as a metropolitan elite lawyer he failks to understand or even intuit.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,220
    viewcode said:

    If I may politely disagree. The function of the Labour Party is to increase the wealth and opportunities of the working class and the poor. To do this it increases equality by taxing the rich and spreading that wealth to the poor. But the belief has spread that one cannot tax the rich (because they leave) so the only tool Labour have left is to impoverish and immiserate the poor and/or working class, therefore obviating the entire point of the Labour movement.

    If things keep going this way the South Wales Valleys will go Reform in 2029, which is Olympus has fallen for Labour. Starmer flirts unthinking with the destruction of his party, which as a metropolitan elite lawyer he failks to understand or even intuit.
    You do have to think that a Labour Government taking a quarter of a million more into poverty has a fundamental problem.

    But then, all Labour Governments leave office with fewer employed than they inherited.

    At some point, voters WILL realise their business model is shite.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,515
    viewcode said:

    If I may politely disagree. The function of the Labour Party is to increase the wealth and opportunities of the working class and the poor. To do this it increases equality by taxing the rich and spreading that wealth to the poor. But the belief has spread that one cannot tax the rich (because they leave) so the only tool Labour have left is to impoverish and immiserate the poor and/or working class, therefore obviating the entire point of the Labour movement.

    If things keep going this way the South Wales Valleys will go Reform in 2029, which is Olympus has fallen for Labour. Starmer flirts unthinking with the destruction of his party, which as a metropolitan elite lawyer he failks to understand or even intuit.
    Indeed if progressive inner city and university town seats went Green and the LDs held their anti Brexit seats and the white working class seats went Reform and soft Leave seats went back to Tory and Muslim seats Corbynite Independent that would be curtains for Labour
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,220
    kjh said:



    He is ready to defend Greenland.
    "Trump is going to confiscate your ball..."
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,365

    You do have to think that a Labour Government taking a quarter of a million more into poverty has a fundamental problem.

    But then, all Labour Governments leave office with fewer employed than they inherited.

    At some point, voters WILL realise their business model is shite.
    Employment in April 1997: 26.5mn
    Employment in April 2010: 29.5mn

    Employment rate in April 1997: 58.1%
    Employment rate in April 2010: 58.2%
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,365

    Starmer decides to follow up on a promise that’s over a year old.

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1905238067843150186

    Confirmed: Ninja swords will be banned by this summer.

    When we promise action we take it.

    Kowabunga!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286

    This is a tweet from the actual Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Next there will be legislation against “foul winds that bringeth demons”


    “Confirmed: Ninja swords will be banned by this summer.

    When we promise action we take it.”

    https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1905238067843150186?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    He’s worse than Truss. More embarrassing. More excruciating. God help us
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,220

    Employment in April 1997: 26.5mn
    Employment in April 2010: 29.5mn

    Employment rate in April 1997: 58.1%
    Employment rate in April 2010: 58.2%
    UK population rise between 1997 and 2010: 4.45m
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286
    THANK GOD SIR KEIR STARMER HAS BANNED NINJA SWORDS

    You could sense the tension in the streets. Waiting for him to do this. To finally bring peace to urban Britain. It was the question everyone asked in every pub, shop and casualty ward - “when will they finally have the sense to ban ninja swords, so all this violence will stop”

    Now, he’s done it. Taken action. Expect Labour to poll 50%+ by May
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,331

    I suspect Trump thought it a compliment. Seriously!
    I expect Vance considers it a compliment.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,945

    Context is for Kings, Viewcode.

    @Leon was talking about Denmark hypothetically losing to the USA in a day. I provided a real, historical example when Denmark DID surrender within a day.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context_Is_for_Kings
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,446
    Leon said:

    THANK GOD SIR KEIR STARMER HAS BANNED NINJA SWORDS

    You could sense the tension in the streets. Waiting for him to do this. To finally bring peace to urban Britain. It was the question everyone asked in every pub, shop and casualty ward - “when will they finally have the sense to ban ninja swords, so all this violence will stop”

    Now, he’s done it. Taken action. Expect Labour to poll 50%+ by May

    They're being freely sold on Amazon right now. It's a disgrace.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lizzy-Scabbard-Warrior-Samurai-accessory/dp/B0D382PYNZ/
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286

    They're being freely sold on Amazon right now. It's a disgrace.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lizzy-Scabbard-Warrior-Samurai-accessory/dp/B0D382PYNZ/
    Starmer is why Americans are right to despise Britain
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,945
    edited March 27
    As you may know, I was disgusted by the recent award of a NHS contract to Peter Thiel. If you want to keep track of yet another billionaire buying the UK, may I recommend the Byline Times articles thus:
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,756

    UK population rise between 1997 and 2010: 4.45m
    That doesn't affect the rate though does it.

    Because of the changing age pyramid in the country that expansion of the population is almost entirely of the retired. The working age population is pretty much unchanged. Without immigration taxes would be higher or pensions would be less, or both. This is the debate on immigration that we never have. Do we want to be pure but poor?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,365

    UK population rise between 1997 and 2010: 4.45m
    That's why I also included the employment rate.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,527
    viewcode said:

    As you may know, I was disgusted by the recent award of a NHS contract to Peter Thiel. If you want to keep track of yet another billionaire buying the UK, may I recommend the Byline Times articles thus:


    Better source than Waitrose Infowars?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286
    “By the end of November, mark my words, all wooden spoons over nine inches long will be forever banished. Along with wasps. I’m sending in Jonathan Powell to negotiate with the King of the Wasps and they’ve agreed to move to Ireland as long as we give them seventy trillion pounds in apricot jam”
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,756
    HYUFD said:

    Indeed if progressive inner city and university town seats went Green and the LDs held their anti Brexit seats and the white working class seats went Reform and soft Leave seats went back to Tory and Muslim seats Corbynite Independent that would be curtains for Labour
    I am certain that even though they will lose large numbers of seats at the next GE there will still be more Labour MPs than Tory ones.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,272
    Ninjas for Labour will be devastated.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,515
    edited March 27
    Leon said:

    Starmer is why Americans are right to despise Britain
    Americans with a grievance of course can just pop down the gun store in some states
    buy an AK 47 and shoot all those who pissed them off. No need to bother with a sword
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,515
    Foxy said:

    That doesn't affect the rate though does it.

    Because of the changing age pyramid in the country that expansion of the population is almost entirely of the retired. The working age population is pretty much unchanged. Without immigration taxes would be higher or pensions would be less, or both. This is the debate on immigration that we never have. Do we want to be pure but poor?
    We need to increase our birthrate, on that Musk is right
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,286
    Starmer, Lammy and Reeves

    What did we do to deserve this? Yes, I voted for them, but no one could have expected them to be this bad, this stupid, this inept, this flailing, this futile, this clueless, this embarrassing, this absolutely fucking terrible in every single aspect

    I think it's karmic justice for the Irish Famine
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,945
    carnforth said:

    Better source than Waitrose Infowars?
    I had to look that up! ("Waitrose Infowars" = "Byline Times"). I don't know of a better one on Thiel/Palantir: care to suggest one/two?
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