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  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    CatMan said:

    Who's upset you this time Taz?
    No one, I’ve bounced back.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,109
    Leon said:

    No one is disputing the story. I have linked to the recently released court documents, below: they are public
    I know, I was just joshing with this poster who expects the Guardian to report it when we all know they won't.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,906

    Sorry but I don't remotely accept that logic.

    If you wanted the next generation to be better off then you should want to ensure that the next generation can afford a home of their own when they're young, not want to leave them a nest egg only when you pop your clogs.

    If you're alive today then you'll probably still be alive into at least your eighties, which means that your "children" will likely be in their sixties or older by the time you die. An inheritance in your sixties might be a nice pension boost but it doesn't give you something to live well with throughout most of your lifetime - most of which you've already had by then.

    If you want the next generation to be better off then help them to be better off throughout their life, not what they have remaining only after you've enjoyed yours.
    If you want the next generation to be better off, put up taxes to reduce the National Debt.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,871

    Surprised Leon and Billy Glenn haven't spammed PB with this, given how keen they were to expose Biden going gaga.

    Donald Trump: "We're gonna have tremendous goodies in the bag for women too. The women…Fertilization. I'm still very proud of it, I don't care. I'll be known as the fertilization president and that's okay."


    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1905002779300765743

    He's going full prima nocta?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    Trump applies 25% tariffs on imported cars.

    Up next Pharma.

    https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1905007749735293089?s=61
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,425
    Taz said:

    Trump applies 25% tariffs on imported cars.

    Up next Pharma.

    https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1905007749735293089?s=61

    25% on Granny Smiths to protect Apple.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,930
    Taz said:

    Trump applies 25% tariffs on imported cars.

    Up next Pharma.

    https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1905007749735293089?s=61

    There’s still time for Starmer and co to beg for scraps as I thought these tariffs were coming in on 2nd April .

    I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,733
    ydoethur said:

    It's a good job there are no posters on this thread who would post about drunkenly perving young teenage girls. The tone has definitely been raised since we got rid of SeanT.
    On another subject entirely:

    I note another British paedophile has been caught having been on the run in Thailand for years.

    https://news.sky.com/story/paedophile-who-spent-27-years-on-the-run-guilty-of-dozens-of-child-sexual-abuse-offences-13327060
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    DavidL said:

    To me, despite Reeves once again embarrassing herself, the most significant story of the day was this one: https://kyivindependent.com/lifting-eu-sanctions-depends-on-russias-withdrawal-from-ukraine-commission-says/

    Russia, having got their puppet to propose dropping sanctions for something meaningless in the context of Ukraine, tried the same with the EU. They were told EU sanctions would be dropped when all Russian troops had left all of Ukraine.

    The significance of this is that it is the mirror image of the silly tantrums from Vance and the like about "helping out the freeloading Europeans" and hating it. Let there be no doubt about it, the contempt is mutual. Europe is not willing to back stab the Ukrainians in the way that Trump has. It is not willing to kowtow to Putin. And it will not play Trump's silly games. This is almost certainly what is infuriating the likes of Vance. It is making their grandstanding and attempts to bully Zelenskyy look just a little ridiculous and they hate it.

    Which is a shame, I suppose. But the gap between the US and Europe grows ever wider. Decades of goodwill thrown away in weeks. It would be astonishing if it were not so predictable.

    What's worse to me is that the US were even considering dropping sanctions anyway. It's clear now that the US wants the cheap Russian gas deal than India and China have got and are desperate for Russian grain and fertiliser exports to recommence so that it drives down US food price inflation. What I don't understand is that they've had 3 years to increase domestic production of the list Russian imports and done nothing. Despite food prices not falling here, they have finally stopped rising substantially, that isn't the case in the US and I don't understand why they're still struggling with it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,011

    ‪Aaron Rupar‬ ‪@atrupar.com‬
    ·
    7m
    REPORTER: Are these auto tariffs permanent for the rest of your term?

    TRUMP: Oh, this is permanent. Yeah. 100 percent.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,377
    Cicero said:

    Wrong Alexander.
    Ooops! My bad.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,394
    Senile old fool

    kaitlancollins

    Asked if he still believes no classified information was shared on the group chat, President Trump says, "Well, that's what I've heard. I don't know. I'm not sure. You'll have to ask the various people involved. I really don't know."

    https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/1905012766563262660
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,820
    edited March 26
    ohnotnow said:

    I first remember him in I, Claudius. I really hope he's amassed a gargantuan amount of cash by now and spaffs it all on some bizarre niche charity one day.
    Sejanus wasn't he ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    nico67 said:

    There’s still time for Starmer and co to beg for scraps as I thought these tariffs were coming in on 2nd April .

    I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
    They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.

    Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,394
    Taz said:

    They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.

    Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
    Range Rovers
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    Could Iran be next target for the emboldened Israeli regime ?

    Apparently Iran delivered their response to the Trump letter today

    https://x.com/aliostad/status/1905011664396726589?s=61
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Scott_xP said:

    Range Rovers
    Which happily are not particularly price sensitive products. The people who buy Range Rovers are going to buy them if they cost 15-20% more anyway, same with the high end sports and track cars that sell well in the US that are made here. This is much more of an issue for Japan, Korea and Germany than it is for us but I'd still be comfortable with the government retaliating against it.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,930
    Taz said:

    They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.

    Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
    I never realised we sold that many cars to the USA . So Trump is happy to screw the UK even though there’s no big trade deficit and yet we have the government acting like a gimp.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,904


    ‪Aaron Rupar‬ ‪@atrupar.com‬
    ·
    7m
    REPORTER: Are these auto tariffs permanent for the rest of your term?

    TRUMP: Oh, this is permanent. Yeah. 100 percent.

    So cancelled tomorrow then?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    Scott_xP said:

    Range Rovers
    👍

    Makes sense, I should have known that having worked there.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155


    ‪Aaron Rupar‬ ‪@atrupar.com‬
    ·
    7m
    REPORTER: Are these auto tariffs permanent for the rest of your term?

    TRUMP: Oh, this is permanent. Yeah. 100 percent.

    Gone tomorrow then
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,733

    https://x.com/howardmortman/status/1904952409161634006

    "Should the Defense Secretary.."
    Marjorie Taylor Greene: "Wait what country are you from?"
    "From the UK"
    "OK we don't give a crap about your opinion and your reporting. Why don't you go back to your country. We have a major migrant problem. You should care about your own borders"

    Yet when Ukranians want to protect their borders, they are supposed to give in.

    Ditto for Canada, Panama and Greenland.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    Nigelb said:

    Sejanus wasn't he ?
    Yes.

    I remember him as Salieri in a drama about the trial of Mozart. Very good he was too with a superb wig.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    nico67 said:

    I never realised we sold that many cars to the USA . So Trump is happy to screw the UK even though there’s no big trade deficit and yet we have the government acting like a gimp.
    It's all high end segment cars though so I don't think there will be much demand drop off. Customers who are buying British cars in the US aren't doing so because they're cheap, we don't make cheap export cars in the UK for price sensitive buyers.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,733
    Scott_xP said:

    Range Rovers
    Yes, they have no taste.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,930
    MaxPB said:

    It's all high end segment cars though so I don't think there will be much demand drop off. Customers who are buying British cars in the US aren't doing so because they're cheap, we don't make cheap export cars in the UK for price sensitive buyers.
    Regardless the act itself is a slap in the face for the UK . And yet we have the government on their hands and knees grovelling to avoid further tariffs .
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,733
    I see Bolsanaro faces up to 40 years in nick for his coup attempt.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/26/bolsonaro-trial-coup-brazil-supreme-court?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    Funny old world when Brazil knows what to do better than the USA.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,517
    DavidL said:

    To me, despite Reeves once again embarrassing herself, the most significant story of the day was this one: https://kyivindependent.com/lifting-eu-sanctions-depends-on-russias-withdrawal-from-ukraine-commission-says/

    Russia, having got their puppet to propose dropping sanctions for something meaningless in the context of Ukraine, tried the same with the EU. They were told EU sanctions would be dropped when all Russian troops had left all of Ukraine.

    The significance of this is that it is the mirror image of the silly tantrums from Vance and the like about "helping out the freeloading Europeans" and hating it. Let there be no doubt about it, the contempt is mutual. Europe is not willing to back stab the Ukrainians in the way that Trump has. It is not willing to kowtow to Putin. And it will not play Trump's silly games. This is almost certainly what is infuriating the likes of Vance. It is making their grandstanding and attempts to bully Zelenskyy look just a little ridiculous and they hate it.

    Which is a shame, I suppose. But the gap between the US and Europe grows ever wider. Decades of goodwill thrown away in weeks. It would be astonishing if it were not so predictable.

    It's the right stance for now. However...

    Prediction: Russia will never leave Crimea, and EU sanctions will be dropped. Bonus prediction: in ten years' time, all or almost all EU countries will recognise Crimea as part of Russia.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    nico67 said:

    Regardless the act itself is a slap in the face for the UK . And yet we have the government on their hands and knees grovelling to avoid further tariffs .
    We should match this tariff, I think our tariff in cars is 10% currently, if an exemption isn't agreed then we should match that to America's 25% rate.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,930
    edited March 26
    Reeves plans have already bitten the dust . Even if the UK avoids the tariffs after its grovelling any US trade war with the EU will effect growth here .
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,394
    Foxy said:

    Yes, they have no taste.
    Hollywood. The Bad Guys all have black Range Rovers.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,733
    MaxPB said:

    We should match this tariff, I think our tariff in cars is 10% currently, if an exemption isn't agreed then we should match that to America's 25% rate.
    Not much point as we import so few from the USA.

    Slap a tarriff on Redstate products like Bourbon, American candies, Oreo biscuits and of course Teslas.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.

    They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155
    Foxy said:

    Not much point as we import so few from the USA.

    Slap a tarriff on Redstate products like Bourbon, American candies, Oreo biscuits and of course Teslas.
    Is there any point in putting a tariff on Teslas now?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,394
    Senile...

    @Acyn

    Reporter: Do you still believe nothing classified was shared?

    President Trump: Well, that's what I've heard. I don't know.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1905012657578746310
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,733

    Is there any point in putting a tariff on Teslas now?
    As a matter of principle...
  • eekeek Posts: 29,478
    Taz said:

    Go to London you’ll either be mugged or disappointed.

    Catch the train to London, stopping at Rejection, Disappointment, Backstabbing Central and Shattered Dreams Parkway
    Waves from a hotel bar in London where I’m working today and tomorrow
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    carnforth said:

    It's the right stance for now. However...

    Prediction: Russia will never leave Crimea, and EU sanctions will be dropped. Bonus prediction: in ten years' time, all or almost all EU countries will recognise Crimea as part of Russia.
    Nah. It will join the EU and the dispute will be inherited. A far more likely scenario is that the EU tweaks its own rules to expel the likes of Hungary. Europe is in this one for the duration, and Russia is (in the long term strategic sense) screwed.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,478
    Taz said:

    Trump applies 25% tariffs on imported cars.

    Up next Pharma.

    https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1905007749735293089?s=61

    Given the insane prices Pharma companies charge relative to the rest of the world I doubt anyone will notice
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,930
    The UK is in a horrible position . Stuck in this situation with having to go cap in hand to Trump and too frightened to retaliate .
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Foxy said:

    Not much point as we import so few from the USA.

    Slap a tarriff on Redstate products like Bourbon, American candies, Oreo biscuits and of course Teslas.
    No, that just leads to an escalation of tariffs which would end up hurting our already fragile economy. Matching Trump's tariff won't do that but will send a message. Upping the standard tariff on cars would capture the small number of Teslas that get imported from the US too.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,871

    Is there any point in putting a tariff on Teslas now?
    The 100% embarrassment tariff is more than enough.

    I have seen quite a few with logos removed, even here in the Flatlands.

    We should not retaliate on tariffs but instead remind the world of the works of Adam Smith.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,756
    biggles said:

    There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.

    They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.

    Not to mention it opens up clear blue water with Ref/Farage and Con would be on the right side of public opinion for once.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,930
    edited March 26
    It won’t be long before we start seeing the US flag being burnt on European streets . Trump is turning the US into one of the most hated nations on earth .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,011
    nico67 said:

    The UK is in a horrible position . Stuck in this situation with having to go cap in hand to Trump and too frightened to retaliate .

    What's the point of retaliating? If we stick a tariff of 25% on imported US stuff it just costs our own consumers more to buy stuff.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,394

    What's the point of retaliating? If we stick a tariff of 25% on imported US stuff it just costs our own consumers more to buy stuff.
    We should put a 100% tariff on American 'beer'
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,425
    GIN1138 said:

    Not to mention it opens up clear blue water with Ref/Farage and Con would be on the right side of public opinion for once.
    And could frame joining the CPTPP as a foreign policy masterstroke, avoiding the tit-for-tat EU-US trade war and giving us more flexible options.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,733
    Scott_xP said:

    We should put a 100% tariff on American 'beer'
    I think it is brewed here under licence, though God only knows why.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,733
    biggles said:

    There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.

    They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.

    Yes, the Tories should copy Ed Davey and the LDs and call Trump out.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,425
    Foxy said:

    Yes, the Tories should copy Ed Davey and the LDs and call Trump out.
    Kemi is more likely to be able to trigger the kind of response that would rally support behind her.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,930

    What's the point of retaliating? If we stick a tariff of 25% on imported US stuff it just costs our own consumers more to buy stuff.
    At what point do you retaliate? If you don’t you effectively let them destroy your exports to that country whilst their manufacturers get away with no pain .
  • stodge said:

    Perhaps I didn't explain myself very well - not the first time and won't be the last - perhaps you didn't quite get the point I was trying to make.

    I did say "Part of securing that improvement" was inheritance - not all of it and by no means the only part of it. I agree we should be giving as many people as possible the opportunity to live independently - I don't just mean home ownership which I appreciate is important to Conservatives as a method of rebuilding their shattered voting coalition - but the ability to rent as well if that's the choice.

    To have your children on a secure financial footing must be the aim of every parent - that's part of ensuring the next generation have better prospects and greater opportunities but there are other elements.
    If you want your children on a secure financial footing then you should want to see that when your children are in their 20s or 30s or 40s. Throughout their entire working lives - or while they're parents of children themselves, your grandchildren.

    Not just in their sixties, by the time your "children" are already grandparents themselves and you have great-grandchildren.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,922

    Is there any point in putting a tariff on Teslas now?
    Shits and giggles?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,930
    GIN1138 said:

    I went to New York at the end of 2022. It was absolutely amazing. Me and my friend vowed we'd go back, but I wouldn't go back while Trump is POTUS.

    Is that silly?
    No not at all . I love NY it’s an amazing city but won’t go to the US as long as Trump is President.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    Foxy said:

    Yes, the Tories should copy Ed Davey and the LDs and call Trump out.
    Indeed. In time this might look like the Iraq war positioning, where Clarke might have been more aligned to Charlie Kennedy.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,472
    Foxy said:

    I think it is brewed here under licence, though God only knows why.
    To satisfy the low IQ numpties that want to own or use everything they see in the movies, because they think it’s cool.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    edited March 26
    Foxy said:

    I think it is brewed here under licence, though God only knows why.
    It’s like the old days. Small beer in case we can’t drink the water one day.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,002

    What's the point of retaliating? If we stick a tariff of 25% on imported US stuff it just costs our own consumers more to buy stuff.
    It's an import tax. It helps Reeves balance the books without increasing income tax or VAT.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,756
    edited March 26

    I think it's sensible.

    US law enforcement has always been a bit arbitrary, but that has been way dialled up, particularly at the border. There appears to be total impunity, they can do anything, for no reason, and keep you locked up in degrading conditions indefinitely on a whim.

    Why would you risk it?
    Well I hadn't thought about that. I was thinking more about one person in little old Blighty taking a stand against the Putin loving, Orange One.

    But now you mention it...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,922

    Kemi is more likely to be able to trigger the kind of response that would rally support behind her.
    but I think she's less likely than Davey.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,126
    Has anyone heard anything about the US soldiers missing in Lithuania near the Belarus border?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,756

    Has anyone heard anything about the US soldiers missing in Lithuania near the Belarus border?

    Have they joined the Russian army?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,109
    nico67 said:

    The UK is in a horrible position . Stuck in this situation with having to go cap in hand to Trump and too frightened to retaliate .

    Realpolitik.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,126
    GIN1138 said:

    Well I hadn't thought about that. I was thinking more about one person in little old Blighty taking a stand against the Putin loving, Orange One.

    But now you mention it...
    My mother-in-law is from Staten Island. There's a lot of family in the US, and my wife, who has US citizenship, spent a year playing and teaching music over there. She has loads of friends and family over there and would love to spend a couple of months playing music and catching up with people. She won't risk it while Trump is President, even though she has an American passport.

    They've shown very quickly that they do not give a fig for the law, and the law cannot protect you if there is no-one to enforce it.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,906

    Kemi is more likely to be able to trigger the kind of response that would rally support behind her.
    Would Trump call Kemi a "DEI leader".?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,733

    I think it's sensible.

    US law enforcement has always been a bit arbitrary, but that has been way dialled up, particularly at the border. There appears to be total impunity, they can do anything, for no reason, and keep you locked up in degrading conditions indefinitely on a whim.

    Why would you risk it?
    I'm off there in a couple of months for a research meeting.

    Planning to take a burner phone for my travel phone. I find it useful for getting a local sim in any case.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,394

    Has anyone heard anything about the US soldiers missing in Lithuania near the Belarus border?

    It was reported earlier that they were dead, but that was refuted. Last I heard search still underway
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,480
    biggles said:

    There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.

    They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.

    Kemi is a friend of Vance who hugged her when she visited the US recently
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,274
    PBers do not understand how SHAMED we are, in the eyes of the world, especially the eyes of the American Right
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,756
    HYUFD said:

    Kemi is a friend of Vance who hugged her when she visited the US recently
    Or maybe it was a case of keep you friends close and your enemies closer... ;)
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,666
    Foxy said:

    I'm off there in a couple of months for a research meeting.

    Planning to take a burner phone for my travel phone. I find it useful for getting a local sim in any case.
    I’m going next week.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,242

    I agree, but on the other hand, is there not something in her advice to 'care about your own borders'? Of course that journalist was there to report on foreign affairs and there are other journalists covering the borders, but the amount of btl comments here outraged at Trump’s japes and Signal messages vs. the amount of outrage about a judge giving a Pakistani paedophile leave to remain in our country on the basis of the ECHR is telling.

    Are we just so beaten down by these outrages we've given up even feeling angry about them?
    But even if it is advice for us its not for the journalist, so there's no point to it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,109
    edited March 26
    It's that time of year when it's reasonably warm in the day but bloody freezing at night by comparison. Oddly enough you notice it more than when it's cold all day.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,815
    Leon said:

    Don't be a twat, you are misconstruing me entirely

    1. I deeply admire Jonny Rotten as a cantankerous character willing to endure the consensus of hostility (notice a tiny parallel?)

    2. He's smart and funny

    3. His caring for his wife was touching, sincere and poignant

    4. He's a dude

    I am saluting him, and the task accomplished, you ninny
    What you are also showing is how easy it is for the nomadic citizen of nowhere to miss the news, on both Lydon and Burchill. Is it any wonder that our globe-trotting Prime Minister is driven to action only by television dramas such as Mr Bates vs the Post Office, and now Adolescence?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,820
    Putin’s FM Lavrov calls on the U.S. to pressure the EU to restart its dependence on #Russian gas.🤯

    "It will probably be interesting if the Americans use their influence on #Europe and force it not to refuse #Russian gas." ~ Lavrov

    https://x.com/BLSchmitt/status/1904987342261117269
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,480
    nico67 said:

    It won’t be long before we start seeing the US flag being burnt on European streets . Trump is turning the US into one of the most hated nations on earth .

    Not really, most African and Asian nations aren't bothered by him. The Russian, Israeli and Argentine and Italian leaders like Trump.

    Yes the Chinese, Mexicans and Canadians and EU dislike his tariffs and the rest of NATO want him to do more against Putin but that is hardly the whole world
  • glwglw Posts: 10,288
    GIN1138 said:

    Well. As far as I can see, we're on the right side of history and America (and especially the American Right) are just a bunch of cheese-burger eating surrender monkeys.
    👊🇬🇧🔥
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,480

    If you want your children on a secure financial footing then you should want to see that when your children are in their 20s or 30s or 40s. Throughout their entire working lives - or while they're parents of children themselves, your grandchildren.

    Not just in their sixties, by the time your "children" are already grandparents themselves and you have great-grandchildren.
    Helping your grandchildren with a deposit for instance
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,815

    Ooops! My bad.
    Signalgate II.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,109
    Omnium said:

    Reeves was again good today, and Stride again completely painful.

    Badenoch badly needs a GE just to clear out the poor selection of MPs that she has. However she doesn't have anything like the control of the party needed to make it work.

    The Tories are looking into the abyss that Corbyn ran Labour round the edge of.

    One thing Reeves and Stride have in common: it's not easy on the ears to listen to either of them talking for more than 2 minutes.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,274
    GIN1138 said:

    Well. As far as I can see, we're on the right side of history and America (and especially the American Right) are just a bunch of cheese-burger eating surrender monkeys.
    You don’t understand. And we’re not allowed to talk about it
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,249
    nico67 said:

    Reeves plans have already bitten the dust . Even if the UK avoids the tariffs after its grovelling any US trade war with the EU will effect growth here .

    There's never been a better time to rejoin. The EU with the UK in it could be a real economic threat to the US. Being bullied at the whim of a lunatic for the next 4 years is unsustainable and unacceptable. With 28 nations possibly rising to 30 we start setting the agenda. No more flapping around treating Trump like royalty
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,274
    TimS said:

    I’m going next week.
    Omg thoughts and prayers for you both. Hope it’s ok

    As far as I know the Trump administration is not yet targeting tedious half retired quacks from mid Leicestershire who once voted Green, nor quasi estate agents who own half a hectare of Bacchus vineyard and might get angry about J D Vance on an anonymous online forum based in Bedford

    But who knows. Maybe you’re in their sights. As a veteran of dangerous places I salute your incredible courage
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,756
    edited March 26
    Leon said:

    You don’t understand. And we’re not allowed to talk about it
    We have our own internal (and external) problems, as do all countries. Although why the cheese-eating, surrender monkey US right are taking such an interest in UK internal affairs, is another matter?

    But... We have always had a (generally) tolerant history of race relations and inclusion. We should be proud of our history and heritage since the abolition of the slave trade, especially set against American history of Ku-Klux-Klan, segregation, lynchings, etc...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,109
    One thing I don't understand is Trump's attitude towards Canada and Greenland.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,274
    Roger said:

    There's never been a better time to rejoin. The EU with the UK in it could be a real economic threat to the US. Being bullied at the whim of a lunatic for the next 4 years is unsustainable and unacceptable. With 28 nations possibly rising to 30 we start setting the agenda. No more flapping around treating Trump like royalty
    You tell ‘em, Rog

    Get Starmer to call that referendum for September, do all the campaigning, give the British people a reason to vote Yes, give them a firm position on the euro and Schengen, make sure the renegotiations with Europe are all done on a couple of weeks - so that no EU nation vetoes - also sort out Northern Ireland, and fisheries, and common foreign policy, and free movement, and also make sure everyone votes Yes so they agree with you as after all you’re a government polling at <<< checks notes >>> 22%, a literally historic low, so there’s no way you lose the vote coz Kier’s so popular


    Bingo
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,756
    edited March 26
    Roger said:

    There's never been a better time to rejoin. The EU with the UK in it could be a real economic threat to the US. Being bullied at the whim of a lunatic for the next 4 years is unsustainable and unacceptable. With 28 nations possibly rising to 30 we start setting the agenda. No more flapping around treating Trump like royalty
    Look, Rog, I know if we rejoined you'd be able to get through customs to your Cote D' Azur mansion a few minutes quicker, but it's not happening. Maybe if Lab gets a second term in 2029 we might *MIGHT* revisit the Single Market?

    But it really is time to accept Brexit, for good or ill and move on...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,109
    "The Conservative Party’s recently elected new leader, Kemi Badenoch, is black—but not black enough, for some, because of her political views.

    Theodore Dalrymple"

    https://www.city-journal.org/article/britain-conservative-party-leader-kemi-badenoch
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,274
    GIN1138 said:

    We have our own internal (and external) problems, as do all countries. Although why the cheese-eating, surrender monkey US right are taking such an interest in UK internal affairs, is another matter?

    But... We have always had a (generally) tolerant history of race relations and inclusion. We should be proud of our history and heritage since the abolition of the slave trade, especially set against American history of Ku-Klux-Klan, segregation, lynchings, etc...
    They despise us. And they are right to do so
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,930
    Leon said:

    They despise us. And they are right to do so
    Why ? Are we allowed to talk about this ? Did I miss some previous drama in here on this issue ?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,517
    edited March 26
    GIN1138 said:

    Look, Rog, I know if we rejoined you'd be able to get through customs to your Cote D' Azur mansion a few minutes quicker, but it's not happening. Maybe if Lab gets a second term in 2029 we might *MIGHT* revisit the Single Market?

    But it really is time to accept Brexit, for good or ill and move on...
    The EES entry system, which will allow for e-gate usage for UK citizens, was slated for July 2022. Had Roger's blessed EU been competent, the post-brexit passport queues would have been an 18 month abberation. Current implementation date end 2025.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,249
    GIN1138 said:

    Look, Rog, I know if we rejoined you'd be able to get through customs to your Cote D' Azur mansion a few minutes quicker, but it's not happening. Maybe if Lab gets a second term in 2029 we might *MIGHT* revisit the Single Market?

    But it really is time to accept Brexit, for good or ill and move on...
    I'm past that, The EU has the second largest GDP in the wiorld. With the UK it's very close to the US. We either get shafted or we use our combined muscle. I mean the lot. Not hanging around the edges. The Euro Schengen the you name it.....There has never been a better time or a greater necessity to throw our lot in with our nearest and dearest.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,480
    Roger said:

    I'm past that, The EU has the second largest GDP in the wiorld. With the UK it's very close to the US. We either get shafted or we use our combined muscle. I mean the lot. Not hanging around the edges. The Euro Schengen the you name it.....There has never been a better time or a greater necessity to throw our lot in with our nearest and dearest.
    The Euro and Schengen means loss of our economic and immigration policies anyway, not happening at most EFTA
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,377
    Leon said:

    PBers do not understand how SHAMED we are, in the eyes of the world, especially the eyes of the American Right

    Fuck the American "Right" :lol:
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