Basically the courts are saying that it's better that this rapist alcoholic Pakistani assaults British girls, rather than Pakistani girls back home, because..... what? Can someone tell me?
GB News is saying that. There's a good chance that they're 'misinterpreting' what the court actually said.
@BartholomewRoberts people don’t really want growth. They just want wealth. For themselves, primarily. This is the inherent contradiction in British political culture. They want things to stay exactly the same, but just a little bit better. That’s my experience anyway.
Hence the desire for rising house prices and inheritances.
I disagree slightly. For many people it's not so much about themselves but for their family. They want their children to be better off and to have a better life. That's a human nature thing and has always been a part of our economics and our politics.
It's when the next generation ends up worse off than the previous generation (or when that has been the expectation or perception) that you get problems.
Part of securing that improvement is inheritance - what can I pass on in asset terms to give my children a better future? - but it's also about maintaining a degree of stability though I'd argue in societal, cultural and technological terms, the changes across generations have been profound.
We are still (just) at the stage when if you were to ask when was the best time to be born, the answer would be "yesterday" but that's nowhere near as clear cut as it was and you have to ask with what kind of world those born now will have to deal in 50-60 years and many find the answers troubling.
Sorry but I don't remotely accept that logic.
If you wanted the next generation to be better off then you should want to ensure that the next generation can afford a home of their own when they're young, not want to leave them a nest egg only when you pop your clogs.
If you're alive today then you'll probably still be alive into at least your eighties, which means that your "children" will likely be in their sixties or older by the time you die. An inheritance in your sixties might be a nice pension boost but it doesn't give you something to live well with throughout most of your lifetime - most of which you've already had by then.
If you want the next generation to be better off then help them to be better off throughout their life, not what they have remaining only after you've enjoyed yours.
If you want the next generation to be better off, put up taxes to reduce the National Debt.
Surprised Leon and Billy Glenn haven't spammed PB with this, given how keen they were to expose Biden going gaga.
Donald Trump: "We're gonna have tremendous goodies in the bag for women too. The women…Fertilization. I'm still very proud of it, I don't care. I'll be known as the fertilization president and that's okay."
Russia, having got their puppet to propose dropping sanctions for something meaningless in the context of Ukraine, tried the same with the EU. They were told EU sanctions would be dropped when all Russian troops had left all of Ukraine.
The significance of this is that it is the mirror image of the silly tantrums from Vance and the like about "helping out the freeloading Europeans" and hating it. Let there be no doubt about it, the contempt is mutual. Europe is not willing to back stab the Ukrainians in the way that Trump has. It is not willing to kowtow to Putin. And it will not play Trump's silly games. This is almost certainly what is infuriating the likes of Vance. It is making their grandstanding and attempts to bully Zelenskyy look just a little ridiculous and they hate it.
Which is a shame, I suppose. But the gap between the US and Europe grows ever wider. Decades of goodwill thrown away in weeks. It would be astonishing if it were not so predictable.
"Should the Defense Secretary.." Marjorie Taylor Greene: "Wait what country are you from?" "From the UK" "OK we don't give a crap about your opinion and your reporting. Why don't you go back to your country. We have a major migrant problem. You should care about your own borders"
Why do they take such pleasure in being unpleasant? It's not like we should get an attack of vapours at rudeness, but there just seems not purpose in being that hostile.
I agree, but on the other hand, is there not something in her advice to 'care about your own borders'? Of course that journalist was there to report on foreign affairs and there are other journalists covering the borders, but the amount of btl comments here outraged at Trump’s japes and Signal messages vs. the amount of outrage about a judge giving a Pakistani paedophile leave to remain in our country on the basis of the ECHR is telling.
Are we just so beaten down by these outrages we've given up even feeling angry about them?
Nicely phrased
The Pakistani pedophile thing is clearly the most outrageous thing on this thread, but people would much rather ventilate at the Trump admin
It's a good job there are no posters on this thread who would post about drunkenly perving young teenage girls. The tone has definitely been raised since we got rid of SeanT.
On another subject entirely:
I note another British paedophile has been caught having been on the run in Thailand for years.
Russia, having got their puppet to propose dropping sanctions for something meaningless in the context of Ukraine, tried the same with the EU. They were told EU sanctions would be dropped when all Russian troops had left all of Ukraine.
The significance of this is that it is the mirror image of the silly tantrums from Vance and the like about "helping out the freeloading Europeans" and hating it. Let there be no doubt about it, the contempt is mutual. Europe is not willing to back stab the Ukrainians in the way that Trump has. It is not willing to kowtow to Putin. And it will not play Trump's silly games. This is almost certainly what is infuriating the likes of Vance. It is making their grandstanding and attempts to bully Zelenskyy look just a little ridiculous and they hate it.
Which is a shame, I suppose. But the gap between the US and Europe grows ever wider. Decades of goodwill thrown away in weeks. It would be astonishing if it were not so predictable.
What's worse to me is that the US were even considering dropping sanctions anyway. It's clear now that the US wants the cheap Russian gas deal than India and China have got and are desperate for Russian grain and fertiliser exports to recommence so that it drives down US food price inflation. What I don't understand is that they've had 3 years to increase domestic production of the list Russian imports and done nothing. Despite food prices not falling here, they have finally stopped rising substantially, that isn't the case in the US and I don't understand why they're still struggling with it.
Brussels has rejected Russia’s demand to lift EU restrictions on a key agro bank as part of a partial ceasefire deal, saying its sanctions regime will stay in place until “unconditional withdrawal” of Moscow’s troops from Ukraine. https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1904884790202872051
How long before Trump gets bored of Ukraine and puts peace efforts on the backburner?
I don't think there are any possible peace terms that are acceptable to Putin that are within Trump's power to offer.
Incidentally, today is the 25th anniversary of Putin first being elected president.
Asked if he still believes no classified information was shared on the group chat, President Trump says, "Well, that's what I've heard. I don't know. I'm not sure. You'll have to ask the various people involved. I really don't know."
I first remember him in I, Claudius. I really hope he's amassed a gargantuan amount of cash by now and spaffs it all on some bizarre niche charity one day.
There’s still time for Starmer and co to beg for scraps as I thought these tariffs were coming in on 2nd April .
I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.
Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
Range Rovers
Which happily are not particularly price sensitive products. The people who buy Range Rovers are going to buy them if they cost 15-20% more anyway, same with the high end sports and track cars that sell well in the US that are made here. This is much more of an issue for Japan, Korea and Germany than it is for us but I'd still be comfortable with the government retaliating against it.
There’s still time for Starmer and co to beg for scraps as I thought these tariffs were coming in on 2nd April .
I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.
Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
I never realised we sold that many cars to the USA . So Trump is happy to screw the UK even though there’s no big trade deficit and yet we have the government acting like a gimp.
"Should the Defense Secretary.." Marjorie Taylor Greene: "Wait what country are you from?" "From the UK" "OK we don't give a crap about your opinion and your reporting. Why don't you go back to your country. We have a major migrant problem. You should care about your own borders"
Yet when Ukranians want to protect their borders, they are supposed to give in.
I first remember him in I, Claudius. I really hope he's amassed a gargantuan amount of cash by now and spaffs it all on some bizarre niche charity one day.
Sejanus wasn't he ?
Yes.
I remember him as Salieri in a drama about the trial of Mozart. Very good he was too with a superb wig.
There’s still time for Starmer and co to beg for scraps as I thought these tariffs were coming in on 2nd April .
I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.
Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
I never realised we sold that many cars to the USA . So Trump is happy to screw the UK even though there’s no big trade deficit and yet we have the government acting like a gimp.
It's all high end segment cars though so I don't think there will be much demand drop off. Customers who are buying British cars in the US aren't doing so because they're cheap, we don't make cheap export cars in the UK for price sensitive buyers.
There’s still time for Starmer and co to beg for scraps as I thought these tariffs were coming in on 2nd April .
I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.
Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
I never realised we sold that many cars to the USA . So Trump is happy to screw the UK even though there’s no big trade deficit and yet we have the government acting like a gimp.
It's all high end segment cars though so I don't think there will be much demand drop off. Customers who are buying British cars in the US aren't doing so because they're cheap, we don't make cheap export cars in the UK for price sensitive buyers.
Regardless the act itself is a slap in the face for the UK . And yet we have the government on their hands and knees grovelling to avoid further tariffs .
Russia, having got their puppet to propose dropping sanctions for something meaningless in the context of Ukraine, tried the same with the EU. They were told EU sanctions would be dropped when all Russian troops had left all of Ukraine.
The significance of this is that it is the mirror image of the silly tantrums from Vance and the like about "helping out the freeloading Europeans" and hating it. Let there be no doubt about it, the contempt is mutual. Europe is not willing to back stab the Ukrainians in the way that Trump has. It is not willing to kowtow to Putin. And it will not play Trump's silly games. This is almost certainly what is infuriating the likes of Vance. It is making their grandstanding and attempts to bully Zelenskyy look just a little ridiculous and they hate it.
Which is a shame, I suppose. But the gap between the US and Europe grows ever wider. Decades of goodwill thrown away in weeks. It would be astonishing if it were not so predictable.
It's the right stance for now. However...
Prediction: Russia will never leave Crimea, and EU sanctions will be dropped. Bonus prediction: in ten years' time, all or almost all EU countries will recognise Crimea as part of Russia.
There’s still time for Starmer and co to beg for scraps as I thought these tariffs were coming in on 2nd April .
I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.
Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
I never realised we sold that many cars to the USA . So Trump is happy to screw the UK even though there’s no big trade deficit and yet we have the government acting like a gimp.
It's all high end segment cars though so I don't think there will be much demand drop off. Customers who are buying British cars in the US aren't doing so because they're cheap, we don't make cheap export cars in the UK for price sensitive buyers.
Regardless the act itself is a slap in the face for the UK . And yet we have the government on their hands and knees grovelling to avoid further tariffs .
We should match this tariff, I think our tariff in cars is 10% currently, if an exemption isn't agreed then we should match that to America's 25% rate.
Reeves plans have already bitten the dust . Even if the UK avoids the tariffs after its grovelling any US trade war with the EU will effect growth here .
There’s still time for Starmer and co to beg for scraps as I thought these tariffs were coming in on 2nd April .
I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.
Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
I never realised we sold that many cars to the USA . So Trump is happy to screw the UK even though there’s no big trade deficit and yet we have the government acting like a gimp.
It's all high end segment cars though so I don't think there will be much demand drop off. Customers who are buying British cars in the US aren't doing so because they're cheap, we don't make cheap export cars in the UK for price sensitive buyers.
Regardless the act itself is a slap in the face for the UK . And yet we have the government on their hands and knees grovelling to avoid further tariffs .
We should match this tariff, I think our tariff in cars is 10% currently, if an exemption isn't agreed then we should match that to America's 25% rate.
Not much point as we import so few from the USA.
Slap a tarriff on Redstate products like Bourbon, American candies, Oreo biscuits and of course Teslas.
There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.
They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.
There’s still time for Starmer and co to beg for scraps as I thought these tariffs were coming in on 2nd April .
I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.
Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
I never realised we sold that many cars to the USA . So Trump is happy to screw the UK even though there’s no big trade deficit and yet we have the government acting like a gimp.
It's all high end segment cars though so I don't think there will be much demand drop off. Customers who are buying British cars in the US aren't doing so because they're cheap, we don't make cheap export cars in the UK for price sensitive buyers.
Regardless the act itself is a slap in the face for the UK . And yet we have the government on their hands and knees grovelling to avoid further tariffs .
We should match this tariff, I think our tariff in cars is 10% currently, if an exemption isn't agreed then we should match that to America's 25% rate.
Not much point as we import so few from the USA.
Slap a tarriff on Redstate products like Bourbon, American candies, Oreo biscuits and of course Teslas.
Is there any point in putting a tariff on Teslas now?
There’s still time for Starmer and co to beg for scraps as I thought these tariffs were coming in on 2nd April .
I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.
Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
I never realised we sold that many cars to the USA . So Trump is happy to screw the UK even though there’s no big trade deficit and yet we have the government acting like a gimp.
It's all high end segment cars though so I don't think there will be much demand drop off. Customers who are buying British cars in the US aren't doing so because they're cheap, we don't make cheap export cars in the UK for price sensitive buyers.
Regardless the act itself is a slap in the face for the UK . And yet we have the government on their hands and knees grovelling to avoid further tariffs .
We should match this tariff, I think our tariff in cars is 10% currently, if an exemption isn't agreed then we should match that to America's 25% rate.
Not much point as we import so few from the USA.
Slap a tarriff on Redstate products like Bourbon, American candies, Oreo biscuits and of course Teslas.
Is there any point in putting a tariff on Teslas now?
Russia, having got their puppet to propose dropping sanctions for something meaningless in the context of Ukraine, tried the same with the EU. They were told EU sanctions would be dropped when all Russian troops had left all of Ukraine.
The significance of this is that it is the mirror image of the silly tantrums from Vance and the like about "helping out the freeloading Europeans" and hating it. Let there be no doubt about it, the contempt is mutual. Europe is not willing to back stab the Ukrainians in the way that Trump has. It is not willing to kowtow to Putin. And it will not play Trump's silly games. This is almost certainly what is infuriating the likes of Vance. It is making their grandstanding and attempts to bully Zelenskyy look just a little ridiculous and they hate it.
Which is a shame, I suppose. But the gap between the US and Europe grows ever wider. Decades of goodwill thrown away in weeks. It would be astonishing if it were not so predictable.
It's the right stance for now. However...
Prediction: Russia will never leave Crimea, and EU sanctions will be dropped. Bonus prediction: in ten years' time, all or almost all EU countries will recognise Crimea as part of Russia.
Nah. It will join the EU and the dispute will be inherited. A far more likely scenario is that the EU tweaks its own rules to expel the likes of Hungary. Europe is in this one for the duration, and Russia is (in the long term strategic sense) screwed.
There’s still time for Starmer and co to beg for scraps as I thought these tariffs were coming in on 2nd April .
I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.
Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
I never realised we sold that many cars to the USA . So Trump is happy to screw the UK even though there’s no big trade deficit and yet we have the government acting like a gimp.
It's all high end segment cars though so I don't think there will be much demand drop off. Customers who are buying British cars in the US aren't doing so because they're cheap, we don't make cheap export cars in the UK for price sensitive buyers.
Regardless the act itself is a slap in the face for the UK . And yet we have the government on their hands and knees grovelling to avoid further tariffs .
We should match this tariff, I think our tariff in cars is 10% currently, if an exemption isn't agreed then we should match that to America's 25% rate.
Not much point as we import so few from the USA.
Slap a tarriff on Redstate products like Bourbon, American candies, Oreo biscuits and of course Teslas.
No, that just leads to an escalation of tariffs which would end up hurting our already fragile economy. Matching Trump's tariff won't do that but will send a message. Upping the standard tariff on cars would capture the small number of Teslas that get imported from the US too.
There’s still time for Starmer and co to beg for scraps as I thought these tariffs were coming in on 2nd April .
I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.
Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
I never realised we sold that many cars to the USA . So Trump is happy to screw the UK even though there’s no big trade deficit and yet we have the government acting like a gimp.
It's all high end segment cars though so I don't think there will be much demand drop off. Customers who are buying British cars in the US aren't doing so because they're cheap, we don't make cheap export cars in the UK for price sensitive buyers.
Regardless the act itself is a slap in the face for the UK . And yet we have the government on their hands and knees grovelling to avoid further tariffs .
We should match this tariff, I think our tariff in cars is 10% currently, if an exemption isn't agreed then we should match that to America's 25% rate.
Not much point as we import so few from the USA.
Slap a tarriff on Redstate products like Bourbon, American candies, Oreo biscuits and of course Teslas.
Is there any point in putting a tariff on Teslas now?
The 100% embarrassment tariff is more than enough.
I have seen quite a few with logos removed, even here in the Flatlands.
We should not retaliate on tariffs but instead remind the world of the works of Adam Smith.
There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.
They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.
Not to mention it opens up clear blue water with Ref/Farage and Con would be on the right side of public opinion for once.
It won’t be long before we start seeing the US flag being burnt on European streets . Trump is turning the US into one of the most hated nations on earth .
There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.
They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.
Not to mention it opens up clear blue water with Ref/Farage and Con would be on the right side of public opinion for once.
And could frame joining the CPTPP as a foreign policy masterstroke, avoiding the tit-for-tat EU-US trade war and giving us more flexible options.
There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.
They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.
Yes, the Tories should copy Ed Davey and the LDs and call Trump out.
There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.
They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.
Yes, the Tories should copy Ed Davey and the LDs and call Trump out.
Kemi is more likely to be able to trigger the kind of response that would rally support behind her.
The UK is in a horrible position . Stuck in this situation with having to go cap in hand to Trump and too frightened to retaliate .
What's the point of retaliating? If we stick a tariff of 25% on imported US stuff it just costs our own consumers more to buy stuff.
At what point do you retaliate? If you don’t you effectively let them destroy your exports to that country whilst their manufacturers get away with no pain .
@BartholomewRoberts people don’t really want growth. They just want wealth. For themselves, primarily. This is the inherent contradiction in British political culture. They want things to stay exactly the same, but just a little bit better. That’s my experience anyway.
Hence the desire for rising house prices and inheritances.
I disagree slightly. For many people it's not so much about themselves but for their family. They want their children to be better off and to have a better life. That's a human nature thing and has always been a part of our economics and our politics.
It's when the next generation ends up worse off than the previous generation (or when that has been the expectation or perception) that you get problems.
Part of securing that improvement is inheritance - what can I pass on in asset terms to give my children a better future? - but it's also about maintaining a degree of stability though I'd argue in societal, cultural and technological terms, the changes across generations have been profound.
We are still (just) at the stage when if you were to ask when was the best time to be born, the answer would be "yesterday" but that's nowhere near as clear cut as it was and you have to ask with what kind of world those born now will have to deal in 50-60 years and many find the answers troubling.
Sorry but I don't remotely accept that logic.
If you wanted the next generation to be better off then you should want to ensure that the next generation can afford a home of their own when they're young, not want to leave them a nest egg only when you pop your clogs.
If you're alive today then you'll probably still be alive into at least your eighties, which means that your "children" will likely be in their sixties or older by the time you die. An inheritance in your sixties might be a nice pension boost but it doesn't give you something to live well with throughout most of your lifetime - most of which you've already had by then.
If you want the next generation to be better off then help them to be better off throughout their life, not what they have remaining only after you've enjoyed yours.
Perhaps I didn't explain myself very well - not the first time and won't be the last - perhaps you didn't quite get the point I was trying to make.
I did say "Part of securing that improvement" was inheritance - not all of it and by no means the only part of it. I agree we should be giving as many people as possible the opportunity to live independently - I don't just mean home ownership which I appreciate is important to Conservatives as a method of rebuilding their shattered voting coalition - but the ability to rent as well if that's the choice.
To have your children on a secure financial footing must be the aim of every parent - that's part of ensuring the next generation have better prospects and greater opportunities but there are other elements.
If you want your children on a secure financial footing then you should want to see that when your children are in their 20s or 30s or 40s. Throughout their entire working lives - or while they're parents of children themselves, your grandchildren.
Not just in their sixties, by the time your "children" are already grandparents themselves and you have great-grandchildren.
It won’t be long before we start seeing the US flag being burnt on European streets . Trump is turning the US into one of the most hated nations on earth .
I went to New York at the end of 2022. It was absolutely amazing. Me and my friend vowed we'd go back, but I wouldn't go back while Trump is POTUS.
There’s still time for Starmer and co to beg for scraps as I thought these tariffs were coming in on 2nd April .
I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
They are and they start collecting on the 3rd April.
Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
I never realised we sold that many cars to the USA . So Trump is happy to screw the UK even though there’s no big trade deficit and yet we have the government acting like a gimp.
It's all high end segment cars though so I don't think there will be much demand drop off. Customers who are buying British cars in the US aren't doing so because they're cheap, we don't make cheap export cars in the UK for price sensitive buyers.
Regardless the act itself is a slap in the face for the UK . And yet we have the government on their hands and knees grovelling to avoid further tariffs .
We should match this tariff, I think our tariff in cars is 10% currently, if an exemption isn't agreed then we should match that to America's 25% rate.
Not much point as we import so few from the USA.
Slap a tarriff on Redstate products like Bourbon, American candies, Oreo biscuits and of course Teslas.
Is there any point in putting a tariff on Teslas now?
It won’t be long before we start seeing the US flag being burnt on European streets . Trump is turning the US into one of the most hated nations on earth .
I went to New York at the end of 2022. It was absolutely amazing. Me and my friend vowed we'd go back, but I wouldn't go back while Trump is POTUS.
Is that silly?
No not at all . I love NY it’s an amazing city but won’t go to the US as long as Trump is President.
There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.
They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.
Yes, the Tories should copy Ed Davey and the LDs and call Trump out.
Indeed. In time this might look like the Iraq war positioning, where Clarke might have been more aligned to Charlie Kennedy.
It won’t be long before we start seeing the US flag being burnt on European streets . Trump is turning the US into one of the most hated nations on earth .
I went to New York at the end of 2022. It was absolutely amazing. Me and my friend vowed we'd go back, but I wouldn't go back while Trump is POTUS.
Is that silly?
I think it's sensible.
US law enforcement has always been a bit arbitrary, but that has been way dialled up, particularly at the border. There appears to be total impunity, they can do anything, for no reason, and keep you locked up in degrading conditions indefinitely on a whim.
It won’t be long before we start seeing the US flag being burnt on European streets . Trump is turning the US into one of the most hated nations on earth .
I went to New York at the end of 2022. It was absolutely amazing. Me and my friend vowed we'd go back, but I wouldn't go back while Trump is POTUS.
Is that silly?
I think it's sensible.
US law enforcement has always been a bit arbitrary, but that has been way dialled up, particularly at the border. There appears to be total impunity, they can do anything, for no reason, and keep you locked up in degrading conditions indefinitely on a whim.
Why would you risk it?
Well I hadn't thought about that. I was thinking more about one person in little old Blighty taking a stand against the Putin loving, Orange One.
There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.
They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.
Yes, the Tories should copy Ed Davey and the LDs and call Trump out.
Kemi is more likely to be able to trigger the kind of response that would rally support behind her.
It won’t be long before we start seeing the US flag being burnt on European streets . Trump is turning the US into one of the most hated nations on earth .
I went to New York at the end of 2022. It was absolutely amazing. Me and my friend vowed we'd go back, but I wouldn't go back while Trump is POTUS.
Is that silly?
I think it's sensible.
US law enforcement has always been a bit arbitrary, but that has been way dialled up, particularly at the border. There appears to be total impunity, they can do anything, for no reason, and keep you locked up in degrading conditions indefinitely on a whim.
Why would you risk it?
Well I hadn't thought about that. I was thinking more about one person in little old Blighty taking a stand against the Putin loving, Orange One.
But now you mention it...
My mother-in-law is from Staten Island. There's a lot of family in the US, and my wife, who has US citizenship, spent a year playing and teaching music over there. She has loads of friends and family over there and would love to spend a couple of months playing music and catching up with people. She won't risk it while Trump is President, even though she has an American passport.
They've shown very quickly that they do not give a fig for the law, and the law cannot protect you if there is no-one to enforce it.
There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.
They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.
Yes, the Tories should copy Ed Davey and the LDs and call Trump out.
Kemi is more likely to be able to trigger the kind of response that would rally support behind her.
It won’t be long before we start seeing the US flag being burnt on European streets . Trump is turning the US into one of the most hated nations on earth .
I went to New York at the end of 2022. It was absolutely amazing. Me and my friend vowed we'd go back, but I wouldn't go back while Trump is POTUS.
Is that silly?
I think it's sensible.
US law enforcement has always been a bit arbitrary, but that has been way dialled up, particularly at the border. There appears to be total impunity, they can do anything, for no reason, and keep you locked up in degrading conditions indefinitely on a whim.
Why would you risk it?
I'm off there in a couple of months for a research meeting.
Planning to take a burner phone for my travel phone. I find it useful for getting a local sim in any case.
There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.
They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.
Kemi is a friend of Vance who hugged her when she visited the US recently
There’s an opportunity for the Tories in all this. They could go full on patriotic “tell Trump to go f**** himself” and mask it in more sorrow than anger “what would Reagan have said” rhetoric for Atlanticist consumption.
They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.
Kemi is a friend of Vance who hugged her when she visited the US recently
Or maybe it was a case of keep you friends close and your enemies closer...
It won’t be long before we start seeing the US flag being burnt on European streets . Trump is turning the US into one of the most hated nations on earth .
I went to New York at the end of 2022. It was absolutely amazing. Me and my friend vowed we'd go back, but I wouldn't go back while Trump is POTUS.
Is that silly?
I think it's sensible.
US law enforcement has always been a bit arbitrary, but that has been way dialled up, particularly at the border. There appears to be total impunity, they can do anything, for no reason, and keep you locked up in degrading conditions indefinitely on a whim.
Why would you risk it?
I'm off there in a couple of months for a research meeting.
Planning to take a burner phone for my travel phone. I find it useful for getting a local sim in any case.
"Should the Defense Secretary.." Marjorie Taylor Greene: "Wait what country are you from?" "From the UK" "OK we don't give a crap about your opinion and your reporting. Why don't you go back to your country. We have a major migrant problem. You should care about your own borders"
Why do they take such pleasure in being unpleasant? It's not like we should get an attack of vapours at rudeness, but there just seems not purpose in being that hostile.
I agree, but on the other hand, is there not something in her advice to 'care about your own borders'? Of course that journalist was there to report on foreign affairs and there are other journalists covering the borders, but the amount of btl comments here outraged at Trump’s japes and Signal messages vs. the amount of outrage about a judge giving a Pakistani paedophile leave to remain in our country on the basis of the ECHR is telling.
Are we just so beaten down by these outrages we've given up even feeling angry about them?
But even if it is advice for us its not for the journalist, so there's no point to it.
It's that time of year when it's reasonably warm in the day but bloody freezing at night by comparison. Oddly enough you notice it more than when it's cold all day.
PBers do not understand how SHAMED we are, in the eyes of the world, especially the eyes of the American Right
Well. As far as I can see, we're on the right side of history and America (and especially the American Right) are just a bunch of cheese-burger eating surrender monkeys.
That feels like I should LOL but obvs that's wrong
Jonny Rotten is so old he's FINISHED being a full time carer
Wow. You say a lot of OTT things - but even entertaining the idea of LOL or FINISHED at someone who watched over and cared for the love of their life as they slowly lost them to Alzheimer's is quite something.
Don't be a twat, you are misconstruing me entirely
1. I deeply admire Jonny Rotten as a cantankerous character willing to endure the consensus of hostility (notice a tiny parallel?)
2. He's smart and funny
3. His caring for his wife was touching, sincere and poignant
4. He's a dude
I am saluting him, and the task accomplished, you ninny
What you are also showing is how easy it is for the nomadic citizen of nowhere to miss the news, on both Lydon and Burchill. Is it any wonder that our globe-trotting Prime Minister is driven to action only by television dramas such as Mr Bates vs the Post Office, and now Adolescence?
It won’t be long before we start seeing the US flag being burnt on European streets . Trump is turning the US into one of the most hated nations on earth .
Not really, most African and Asian nations aren't bothered by him. The Russian, Israeli and Argentine and Italian leaders like Trump.
Yes the Chinese, Mexicans and Canadians and EU dislike his tariffs and the rest of NATO want him to do more against Putin but that is hardly the whole world
PBers do not understand how SHAMED we are, in the eyes of the world, especially the eyes of the American Right
Well. As far as I can see, we're on the right side of history and America (and especially the American Right) are just a bunch of cheese-burger eating surrender monkeys.
@BartholomewRoberts people don’t really want growth. They just want wealth. For themselves, primarily. This is the inherent contradiction in British political culture. They want things to stay exactly the same, but just a little bit better. That’s my experience anyway.
Hence the desire for rising house prices and inheritances.
I disagree slightly. For many people it's not so much about themselves but for their family. They want their children to be better off and to have a better life. That's a human nature thing and has always been a part of our economics and our politics.
It's when the next generation ends up worse off than the previous generation (or when that has been the expectation or perception) that you get problems.
Part of securing that improvement is inheritance - what can I pass on in asset terms to give my children a better future? - but it's also about maintaining a degree of stability though I'd argue in societal, cultural and technological terms, the changes across generations have been profound.
We are still (just) at the stage when if you were to ask when was the best time to be born, the answer would be "yesterday" but that's nowhere near as clear cut as it was and you have to ask with what kind of world those born now will have to deal in 50-60 years and many find the answers troubling.
Sorry but I don't remotely accept that logic.
If you wanted the next generation to be better off then you should want to ensure that the next generation can afford a home of their own when they're young, not want to leave them a nest egg only when you pop your clogs.
If you're alive today then you'll probably still be alive into at least your eighties, which means that your "children" will likely be in their sixties or older by the time you die. An inheritance in your sixties might be a nice pension boost but it doesn't give you something to live well with throughout most of your lifetime - most of which you've already had by then.
If you want the next generation to be better off then help them to be better off throughout their life, not what they have remaining only after you've enjoyed yours.
Perhaps I didn't explain myself very well - not the first time and won't be the last - perhaps you didn't quite get the point I was trying to make.
I did say "Part of securing that improvement" was inheritance - not all of it and by no means the only part of it. I agree we should be giving as many people as possible the opportunity to live independently - I don't just mean home ownership which I appreciate is important to Conservatives as a method of rebuilding their shattered voting coalition - but the ability to rent as well if that's the choice.
To have your children on a secure financial footing must be the aim of every parent - that's part of ensuring the next generation have better prospects and greater opportunities but there are other elements.
If you want your children on a secure financial footing then you should want to see that when your children are in their 20s or 30s or 40s. Throughout their entire working lives - or while they're parents of children themselves, your grandchildren.
Not just in their sixties, by the time your "children" are already grandparents themselves and you have great-grandchildren.
Helping your grandchildren with a deposit for instance
Brussels has rejected Russia’s demand to lift EU restrictions on a key agro bank as part of a partial ceasefire deal, saying its sanctions regime will stay in place until “unconditional withdrawal” of Moscow’s troops from Ukraine. https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1904884790202872051
How long before Trump gets bored of Ukraine and puts peace efforts on the backburner?
I don't think there are any possible peace terms that are acceptable to Putin that are within Trump's power to offer.
Incidentally, today is the 25th anniversary of Putin first being elected president.
Reeves was again good today, and Stride again completely painful.
Badenoch badly needs a GE just to clear out the poor selection of MPs that she has. However she doesn't have anything like the control of the party needed to make it work.
The Tories are looking into the abyss that Corbyn ran Labour round the edge of.
One thing Reeves and Stride have in common: it's not easy on the ears to listen to either of them talking for more than 2 minutes.
PBers do not understand how SHAMED we are, in the eyes of the world, especially the eyes of the American Right
Well. As far as I can see, we're on the right side of history and America (and especially the American Right) are just a bunch of cheese-burger eating surrender monkeys.
You don’t understand. And we’re not allowed to talk about it
Reeves plans have already bitten the dust . Even if the UK avoids the tariffs after its grovelling any US trade war with the EU will effect growth here .
There's never been a better time to rejoin. The EU with the UK in it could be a real economic threat to the US. Being bullied at the whim of a lunatic for the next 4 years is unsustainable and unacceptable. With 28 nations possibly rising to 30 we start setting the agenda. No more flapping around treating Trump like royalty
It won’t be long before we start seeing the US flag being burnt on European streets . Trump is turning the US into one of the most hated nations on earth .
I went to New York at the end of 2022. It was absolutely amazing. Me and my friend vowed we'd go back, but I wouldn't go back while Trump is POTUS.
Is that silly?
I think it's sensible.
US law enforcement has always been a bit arbitrary, but that has been way dialled up, particularly at the border. There appears to be total impunity, they can do anything, for no reason, and keep you locked up in degrading conditions indefinitely on a whim.
Why would you risk it?
I'm off there in a couple of months for a research meeting.
Planning to take a burner phone for my travel phone. I find it useful for getting a local sim in any case.
I’m going next week.
Omg thoughts and prayers for you both. Hope it’s ok
As far as I know the Trump administration is not yet targeting tedious half retired quacks from mid Leicestershire who once voted Green, nor quasi estate agents who own half a hectare of Bacchus vineyard and might get angry about J D Vance on an anonymous online forum based in Bedford
But who knows. Maybe you’re in their sights. As a veteran of dangerous places I salute your incredible courage
PBers do not understand how SHAMED we are, in the eyes of the world, especially the eyes of the American Right
Well. As far as I can see, we're on the right side of history and America (and especially the American Right) are just a bunch of cheese-burger eating surrender monkeys.
You don’t understand. And we’re not allowed to talk about it
We have our own internal (and external) problems, as do all countries. Although why the cheese-eating, surrender monkey US right are taking such an interest in UK internal affairs, is another matter?
But... We have always had a (generally) tolerant history of race relations and inclusion. We should be proud of our history and heritage since the abolition of the slave trade, especially set against American history of Ku-Klux-Klan, segregation, lynchings, etc...
Reeves plans have already bitten the dust . Even if the UK avoids the tariffs after its grovelling any US trade war with the EU will effect growth here .
There's never been a better time to rejoin. The EU with the UK in it could be a real economic threat to the US. Being bullied at the whim of a lunatic for the next 4 years is unsustainable and unacceptable. With 28 nations possibly rising to 30 we start setting the agenda. No more flapping around treating Trump like royalty
You tell ‘em, Rog
Get Starmer to call that referendum for September, do all the campaigning, give the British people a reason to vote Yes, give them a firm position on the euro and Schengen, make sure the renegotiations with Europe are all done on a couple of weeks - so that no EU nation vetoes - also sort out Northern Ireland, and fisheries, and common foreign policy, and free movement, and also make sure everyone votes Yes so they agree with you as after all you’re a government polling at <<< checks notes >>> 22%, a literally historic low, so there’s no way you lose the vote coz Kier’s so popular
Reeves plans have already bitten the dust . Even if the UK avoids the tariffs after its grovelling any US trade war with the EU will effect growth here .
There's never been a better time to rejoin. The EU with the UK in it could be a real economic threat to the US. Being bullied at the whim of a lunatic for the next 4 years is unsustainable and unacceptable. With 28 nations possibly rising to 30 we start setting the agenda. No more flapping around treating Trump like royalty
Look, Rog, I know if we rejoined you'd be able to get through customs to your Cote D' Azur mansion a few minutes quicker, but it's not happening. Maybe if Lab gets a second term in 2029 we might *MIGHT* revisit the Single Market?
But it really is time to accept Brexit, for good or ill and move on...
PBers do not understand how SHAMED we are, in the eyes of the world, especially the eyes of the American Right
Well. As far as I can see, we're on the right side of history and America (and especially the American Right) are just a bunch of cheese-burger eating surrender monkeys.
You don’t understand. And we’re not allowed to talk about it
We have our own internal (and external) problems, as do all countries. Although why the cheese-eating, surrender monkey US right are taking such an interest in UK internal affairs, is another matter?
But... We have always had a (generally) tolerant history of race relations and inclusion. We should be proud of our history and heritage since the abolition of the slave trade, especially set against American history of Ku-Klux-Klan, segregation, lynchings, etc...
PBers do not understand how SHAMED we are, in the eyes of the world, especially the eyes of the American Right
Well. As far as I can see, we're on the right side of history and America (and especially the American Right) are just a bunch of cheese-burger eating surrender monkeys.
You don’t understand. And we’re not allowed to talk about it
We have our own internal (and external) problems, as do all countries. Although why the cheese-eating, surrender monkey US right are taking such an interest in UK internal affairs, is another matter?
But... We have always had a (generally) tolerant history of race relations and inclusion. We should be proud of our history and heritage since the abolition of the slave trade, especially set against American history of Ku-Klux-Klan, segregation, lynchings, etc...
They despise us. And they are right to do so
God you are the most miserable Britain hater out there. Just stay in Uruguay if it’s so bad here
PBers do not understand how SHAMED we are, in the eyes of the world, especially the eyes of the American Right
Well. As far as I can see, we're on the right side of history and America (and especially the American Right) are just a bunch of cheese-burger eating surrender monkeys.
You don’t understand. And we’re not allowed to talk about it
We have our own internal (and external) problems, as do all countries. Although why the cheese-eating, surrender monkey US right are taking such an interest in UK internal affairs, is another matter?
But... We have always had a (generally) tolerant history of race relations and inclusion. We should be proud of our history and heritage since the abolition of the slave trade, especially set against American history of Ku-Klux-Klan, segregation, lynchings, etc...
They despise us. And they are right to do so
Why ? Are we allowed to talk about this ? Did I miss some previous drama in here on this issue ?
Reeves plans have already bitten the dust . Even if the UK avoids the tariffs after its grovelling any US trade war with the EU will effect growth here .
There's never been a better time to rejoin. The EU with the UK in it could be a real economic threat to the US. Being bullied at the whim of a lunatic for the next 4 years is unsustainable and unacceptable. With 28 nations possibly rising to 30 we start setting the agenda. No more flapping around treating Trump like royalty
Look, Rog, I know if we rejoined you'd be able to get through customs to your Cote D' Azur mansion a few minutes quicker, but it's not happening. Maybe if Lab gets a second term in 2029 we might *MIGHT* revisit the Single Market?
But it really is time to accept Brexit, for good or ill and move on...
The EES entry system, which will allow for e-gate usage for UK citizens, was slated for July 2022. Had Roger's blessed EU been competent, the post-brexit passport queues would have been an 18 month abberation. Current implementation date end 2025.
Reeves plans have already bitten the dust . Even if the UK avoids the tariffs after its grovelling any US trade war with the EU will effect growth here .
There's never been a better time to rejoin. The EU with the UK in it could be a real economic threat to the US. Being bullied at the whim of a lunatic for the next 4 years is unsustainable and unacceptable. With 28 nations possibly rising to 30 we start setting the agenda. No more flapping around treating Trump like royalty
Look, Rog, I know if we rejoined you'd be able to get through customs to your Cote D' Azur mansion a few minutes quicker, but it's not happening. Maybe if Lab gets a second term in 2029 we might *MIGHT* revisit the Single Market?
But it really is time to accept Brexit, for good or ill and move on...
I'm past that, The EU has the second largest GDP in the wiorld. With the UK it's very close to the US. We either get shafted or we use our combined muscle. I mean the lot. Not hanging around the edges. The Euro Schengen the you name it.....There has never been a better time or a greater necessity to throw our lot in with our nearest and dearest.
Reeves plans have already bitten the dust . Even if the UK avoids the tariffs after its grovelling any US trade war with the EU will effect growth here .
There's never been a better time to rejoin. The EU with the UK in it could be a real economic threat to the US. Being bullied at the whim of a lunatic for the next 4 years is unsustainable and unacceptable. With 28 nations possibly rising to 30 we start setting the agenda. No more flapping around treating Trump like royalty
Look, Rog, I know if we rejoined you'd be able to get through customs to your Cote D' Azur mansion a few minutes quicker, but it's not happening. Maybe if Lab gets a second term in 2029 we might *MIGHT* revisit the Single Market?
But it really is time to accept Brexit, for good or ill and move on...
I'm past that, The EU has the second largest GDP in the wiorld. With the UK it's very close to the US. We either get shafted or we use our combined muscle. I mean the lot. Not hanging around the edges. The Euro Schengen the you name it.....There has never been a better time or a greater necessity to throw our lot in with our nearest and dearest.
The Euro and Schengen means loss of our economic and immigration policies anyway, not happening at most EFTA
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Up next Pharma.
https://x.com/faisalislam/status/1905007749735293089?s=61
Russia, having got their puppet to propose dropping sanctions for something meaningless in the context of Ukraine, tried the same with the EU. They were told EU sanctions would be dropped when all Russian troops had left all of Ukraine.
The significance of this is that it is the mirror image of the silly tantrums from Vance and the like about "helping out the freeloading Europeans" and hating it. Let there be no doubt about it, the contempt is mutual. Europe is not willing to back stab the Ukrainians in the way that Trump has. It is not willing to kowtow to Putin. And it will not play Trump's silly games. This is almost certainly what is infuriating the likes of Vance. It is making their grandstanding and attempts to bully Zelenskyy look just a little ridiculous and they hate it.
Which is a shame, I suppose. But the gap between the US and Europe grows ever wider. Decades of goodwill thrown away in weeks. It would be astonishing if it were not so predictable.
I really wish we could tell Trump to go fxck himself .
I note another British paedophile has been caught having been on the run in Thailand for years.
https://news.sky.com/story/paedophile-who-spent-27-years-on-the-run-guilty-of-dozens-of-child-sexual-abuse-offences-13327060
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REPORTER: Are these auto tariffs permanent for the rest of your term?
TRUMP: Oh, this is permanent. Yeah. 100 percent.
kaitlancollins
Asked if he still believes no classified information was shared on the group chat, President Trump says, "Well, that's what I've heard. I don't know. I'm not sure. You'll have to ask the various people involved. I really don't know."
https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/1905012766563262660
Just under a fifth of our vehicle production goes to the USA apparently. I’m surprised it’s that high.
Apparently Iran delivered their response to the Trump letter today
https://x.com/aliostad/status/1905011664396726589?s=61
Makes sense, I should have known that having worked there.
Ditto for Canada, Panama and Greenland.
I remember him as Salieri in a drama about the trial of Mozart. Very good he was too with a superb wig.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/26/bolsonaro-trial-coup-brazil-supreme-court?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
Funny old world when Brazil knows what to do better than the USA.
Prediction: Russia will never leave Crimea, and EU sanctions will be dropped. Bonus prediction: in ten years' time, all or almost all EU countries will recognise Crimea as part of Russia.
Slap a tarriff on Redstate products like Bourbon, American candies, Oreo biscuits and of course Teslas.
They don’t have to worry about being in Government until 2029, and more likely 2034 (if at all) so they might as well roll the dice. Even if they did take power on 2029 Trump will have gone and there will either be a Dem in who won’t care, or Vance who won’t be an ally.
@Acyn
Reporter: Do you still believe nothing classified was shared?
President Trump: Well, that's what I've heard. I don't know.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1905012657578746310
I have seen quite a few with logos removed, even here in the Flatlands.
We should not retaliate on tariffs but instead remind the world of the works of Adam Smith.
Not just in their sixties, by the time your "children" are already grandparents themselves and you have great-grandchildren.
Is that silly?
US law enforcement has always been a bit arbitrary, but that has been way dialled up, particularly at the border. There appears to be total impunity, they can do anything, for no reason, and keep you locked up in degrading conditions indefinitely on a whim.
Why would you risk it?
But now you mention it...
They've shown very quickly that they do not give a fig for the law, and the law cannot protect you if there is no-one to enforce it.
Planning to take a burner phone for my travel phone. I find it useful for getting a local sim in any case.
"It will probably be interesting if the Americans use their influence on #Europe and force it not to refuse #Russian gas." ~ Lavrov
https://x.com/BLSchmitt/status/1904987342261117269
Yes the Chinese, Mexicans and Canadians and EU dislike his tariffs and the rest of NATO want him to do more against Putin but that is hardly the whole world
As far as I know the Trump administration is not yet targeting tedious half retired quacks from mid Leicestershire who once voted Green, nor quasi estate agents who own half a hectare of Bacchus vineyard and might get angry about J D Vance on an anonymous online forum based in Bedford
But who knows. Maybe you’re in their sights. As a veteran of dangerous places I salute your incredible courage
But... We have always had a (generally) tolerant history of race relations and inclusion. We should be proud of our history and heritage since the abolition of the slave trade, especially set against American history of Ku-Klux-Klan, segregation, lynchings, etc...
Get Starmer to call that referendum for September, do all the campaigning, give the British people a reason to vote Yes, give them a firm position on the euro and Schengen, make sure the renegotiations with Europe are all done on a couple of weeks - so that no EU nation vetoes - also sort out Northern Ireland, and fisheries, and common foreign policy, and free movement, and also make sure everyone votes Yes so they agree with you as after all you’re a government polling at <<< checks notes >>> 22%, a literally historic low, so there’s no way you lose the vote coz Kier’s so popular
Bingo
But it really is time to accept Brexit, for good or ill and move on...
Theodore Dalrymple"
https://www.city-journal.org/article/britain-conservative-party-leader-kemi-badenoch