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  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    Omnium said:

    I would have voted 'coalition' ahead of Tory if I'd had the chance in 2015.
    I voted tory in 2010...would have voted labour to keep the lib dems out
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,395
    Barnesian said:

    The LD MPs are all very active on various committees as well as in their constituencies. But the media ignore them. It's also hard to get on QT.

    The only way Ed Davey can get publicity is by bungee jumping or getting Elon Musk to insult him.

    That's why LDs deliver literally millions of leaflets and email newsletters which you probably don't see if you are not in an LD constituency or a target seat.
    There's a gap - and it's not all about Ed Davey. Being active on a committee is just trying to earn the spurs for an ennoblement.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,424
    Omnium said:

    There's a gap - and it's not all about Ed Davey. Being active on a committee is just trying to earn the spurs for an ennoblement.
    I disagree, committee membership is how the hoc works. You don't join the lib Dems to be ennobled. Don't judge other people on your own selfish attitudes.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,386

    Let's see how much money the broligarchs will pour into the contest and how effective they will be.
    About as effective as that huge financial advantage that Harris had turned out to be.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795
    Omnium said:

    Choose your weapons. That's my College.
    What about Judas College, Oxford?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,386
    So its a month since Musk said that any federal worker who didn't explain what they had done would be assumed to have resigned.

    So how many have actually left ?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,160
    Cyclefree said:

    Why can't journalists do even basic research? Grrrr! What was fast-tracked was legislation overturning the subpostmasters' convictions. Not compensation. Many are still waiting - including the oldest one, aged 92, who got a meeting with the Minister and a lot of promises but still no compensation.

    Lee Castleton, a subpostmaster who was deliberately bankrupted by the Post Office on the basis of false evidence about Horizon, is now suing both the Post Office and Fujitsu. They would be well advised to settle. IMO.
    Long story short, there isn't a sufficient number of punters willing to pay a sufficient amount of money to make doing basic research a viable proposition. Much cheaper and easier to get journalists to churn out ten "Supermarket favourite is vanishing from shelves and Twitter isn't happy" bits of clickbait a day.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795

    No it can't. If Russia unilaterally pulled back to the 1991 borders, would all Western sanctions be lifted? Would demands for reparations end? There is no unilateral resolution to this.
    If Russia withdrew to the 1991 border, and stopped attacking across it, Ukraine would declare an end to the war. That is the maximum war aim of Ukraine.

    I think you’d see sanctions lifted quite rapidly in such circumstances.

    Reparations would become a legal issue, discussed over decades. Note that Germany is still discussing stuff from WWII.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,844

    If Russia withdrew to the 1991 border, and stopped attacking across it, Ukraine would declare an end to the war. That is the maximum war aim of Ukraine.

    I think you’d see sanctions lifted quite rapidly in such circumstances.

    Reparations would become a legal issue, discussed over decades. Note that Germany is still discussing stuff from WWII.
    William is engaged in extended apologia.
    You're not going to sway him with argument.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    FFS Pagan, give it a rest for god sake. Why are you blaming the lib Dems for your own inadequacies? Did a LibDem candidate hurt you in the past? Steal your bike or sandals?
    Take your heart off your sleeve and put it inside where it belongs.
    Ah I see so you can say I would vote labour to keep a tory out? Its not ok to be a anything but a lib dem voter? I don't like lib dems they stand for absolutely nothing
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,590

    Long story short, there isn't a sufficient number of punters willing to pay a sufficient amount of money to make doing basic research a viable proposition. Much cheaper and easier to get journalists to churn out ten "Supermarket favourite is vanishing from shelves and Twitter isn't happy" bits of clickbait a day.
    Would take about a minute to find out what I wrote. Maximum. If you can't or won't do that you're not a journalist.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    edited March 23
    Pagan2 said:

    Ah I see so you can say I would vote labour to keep a tory out? Its not ok to be a anything but a lib dem voter? I don't like lib dems they stand for absolutely nothing
    As an example last time lib dems got into government half their voters decamped because it wasn't what they thought they voted for....so hardly alone in my view the lib dems stand for nothing they just hope to be the kingmaker and get ministerial limo's there is a scum on the political life of the british and its orange
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795
    Cyclefree said:

    Would take about a minute to find out what I wrote. Maximum. If you can't or won't do that you're not a journalist.
    I think, in all seriousness, that a substantial amount of real journalism has vanished.

    Regurgitating Twatter blended with AI output is all the rage.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,424
    Pagan2 said:

    Ah I see so you can say I would vote labour to keep a tory out? Its not ok to be a anything but a lib dem voter? I don't like lib dems they stand for absolutely nothing
    That may be your opinion, but don't keep using it as an excuse all the time. Pull yourself together.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    I think, in all seriousness, that a substantial amount of real journalism has vanished.

    Regurgitating Twatter blended with AI output is all the rage.
    Most british journalism and indeed most journalism through out the world never existed its just easier now to check it up and realise they are talking total bollocks
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    edited March 23

    That may be your opinion, but don't keep using it as an excuse all the time. Pull yourself together.
    So its fine to say anyone but tory but not anyone than lib dem is your argument? Or anyone but labour as well
  • LilaZLilaZ Posts: 5
    Pagan2 said:

    So its fine to say anyone but tory but not anyone than lib dem is your argument?
    Ed Davey is basically Donald Trump with a Waitrose Loyalty Card but less charisma. The self regard is the same.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,051
    LilaZ said:

    Ed Davey is basically Donald Trump with a Waitrose Loyalty Card but less charisma. The self regard is the same.
    If I'm honest, if I was looking for a Liberal leader who resembled Trump, I think it would be Thorpe rather than Davey.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,424
    Pagan2 said:

    As an example last time lib dems got into government half their voters decamped because it wasn't what they thought they voted for....so hardly alone in my view the lib dems stand for nothing they just hope to be the kingmaker and get ministerial limo's there is a scum on the political life of the british and its orange
    oh dear, that's a very half baked view of the coalition period. Lib dems went in as junior partners and managed to put into practice some of their policies. Some of the policies had to be dropped as it was a partnership with the tories. Votes were lost at the election, just like Labour in 2019 and the tories in 2024, it happens.

    You may live an all or nothing life with no compromise, but that's your problem, a big one which you are obviously having trouble with. I wish you luck for the future.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,333

    I think, in all seriousness, that a substantial amount of real journalism has vanished.

    Regurgitating Twatter blended with AI output is all the rage.
    I recommend Nick Davies’ “Flat Earth News” on the topic.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    edited March 23

    oh dear, that's a very half baked view of the coalition period. Lib dems went in as junior partners and managed to put into practice some of their policies. Some of the policies had to be dropped as it was a partnership with the tories. Votes were lost at the election, just like Labour in 2019 and the tories in 2024, it happens.

    You may live an all or nothing life with no compromise, but that's your problem, a big one which you are obviously having trouble with. I wish you luck for the future.
    If I had know the coalition manifesto neither of them would have got my vote.....my objection to pr is exactly the same....don't know what I am actually casting a vote for. That was the case with the coalition and if I had known I would have voted labour...so would plenty of lib dem voters then the coalition wouldn't have been a thing
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,424
    ydoethur said:

    If I'm honest, if I was looking for a Liberal leader who resembled Trump, I think it would be Thorpe rather than Davey.
    I'd love a Waitrose loyalty card, sadly we have to make do with Tesco in West Wales.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,424
    LilaZ said:

    Ed Davey is basically Donald Trump with a Waitrose Loyalty Card but less charisma. The self regard is the same.
    oh, a troll on a Sunday?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,795
    ydoethur said:

    If I'm honest, if I was looking for a Liberal leader who resembled Trump, I think it would be Thorpe rather than Davey.
    The idea that either of them are even vaguely like Trump is mad.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    oh, a troll on a Sunday?
    Don't be silly who would pay to troll the irrelevant lib dems
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,438

    The idea that either of them are even vaguely like Trump is mad.
    Davey's defence of his actions over the Post Office scandal was vaguely Trumpian.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,333
    ydoethur said:

    If I'm honest, if I was looking for a Liberal leader who resembled Trump, I think it would be Thorpe rather than Davey.
    What about Lloyd George?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,590

    I think, in all seriousness, that a substantial amount of real journalism has vanished.

    Regurgitating Twatter blended with AI output is all the rage.
    A great pity.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,278

    What about Lloyd George?
    I seldom praise you, @bondegezou but that's rather a brilliant comparison. Bravo

    The narcissism, the arrogance, the permanent chippiness (the Welsh outsider versus the brash New York realtor), and of course the womanizing. Tick tick tick. And two leaders of world hegemons in decline

    Plus, didn't Lloyd George dally with Fascism towards the end? I believe he did

    VG, 9/10, have a gold star
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,333

    At the 2021 Census in England: 590,983 Polish-speakers (1.08%), 465,933 Romanian-speakers (0.85%).
    We have many of Poland and Romania’s best and brightest! Let us celebrate all they contribute to our country.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    What about Lloyd George?
    Lloyd George though was actually a liberal not a lib dem that are neither liberal nor democratic
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    We have many of Poland and Romania’s best and brightest! Let us celebrate all they contribute to our country.
    If most of them are working in hospitality they contribute little in terms of tax.....wasn't it roger that always detested those nice eastern europeans not working in hotels, restaurants, and coffee shops?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,565

    Davey's defence of his actions over the Post Office scandal was vaguely Trumpian.
    That's an ignorant comment, William. You aren't going to get away with it on PB. There are too many of us on here up to speed with the scandal.

    Davey has no reason to be be proud of his role in it, but marginally less than most to be ashamed of since he did at least meet up with Alan Bates, even if nothing came of it.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    That's an ignorant comment, William. You aren't going to get away with it on PB. There are too many of us on here up to speed with the scandal.

    Davey has no reason to be be proud of his role in it, but marginally less than most to be ashamed of since he did at least meet up with Alan Bates, even if nothing came of it.
    Hmmm which is worse....

    Not meeting
    Or meeting listening then ignoring

    The former at least have the defence of ignorance I guess and no dont support them either Davey knew the issues and did nothing despite it though
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,844
    An awful lot of chat about a party which is apparently not worth discussing.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,051

    What about Lloyd George?
    Lloyd George was many things Trump is. Selfish, greedy, deceitful, corrupt, sexually depraved and using party as a vehicle for his own ego.

    But - he was not stupid. And nor did he get where he did by his father's efforts.

    Also, having changed his mind following earlier praise for Hitler, he was an opponent of appeasement from 1937 onwards (whether that was because of a revelation about Hitler or merely a desire to annoy Neville Chamberlain is another question).
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,051
    Nigelb said:

    An awful lot of chat about a party which is apparently not worth discussing.

    Well, they do hold both houses of Congress and the Presidency.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    Nigelb said:

    An awful lot of chat about a party which is apparently not worth discussing.

    My fault for my offhand comment that I was an anyone but lib dem voter....didn't expect it to be so controversial when we have so many any but labour or any but tory voters
  • TresTres Posts: 2,775
    Pagan2 said:

    My fault for my offhand comment that I was an anyone but lib dem voter....didn't expect it to be so controversial when we have so many any but labour or any but tory voters
    you can't be a tory voter at least then, you admitted a fault
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,565
    Pagan2 said:

    Hmmm which is worse....

    Not meeting
    Or meeting listening then ignoring

    The former at least have the defence of ignorance I guess and no dont support them either Davey knew the issues and did nothing despite it though
    You can argue that it is splitting hairs and that given the close control his civil servants would have had over the encounter it was never likely to amount to much more than PR, but at least it acknowledged the existence of the campaign to expose the scandal.

    All the Ministers responsible come out of it badly, with one odd exception - Norman Lamb. He actually engaged but was in post too briefly to move matters forward much.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,155
    edited March 23

    So its a month since Musk said that any federal worker who didn't explain what they had done would be assumed to have resigned.

    So how many have actually left ?

    Probably not very many because it was not a legal thing to do, and a number of Departments told Musk so themselves, and told their staff to ignore it, then the regime said lots of mutually contradictory things to obfuscate, one after the other, and there may be a lawsuit about it.

    The litigation tracker is here, with 135 lawsuits, so it's still running at about 3 per working day.

    https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal-challenges-trump-administration/

    I'm not sure what to search on for this particular offence.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,155
    Cyclefree said:

    Would take about a minute to find out what I wrote. Maximum. If you can't or won't do that you're not a journalist.
    You have my sympathy on this one. From Ashfield, the area going down the drain where 33% of people are economically inactive - except the actual published figure by the ONS is 23.0% .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,844
    Pagan2 said:

    My fault for my offhand comment that I was an anyone but lib dem voter....didn't expect it to be so controversial when we have so many any but labour or any but tory voters
    You're an honest nihilist.
    Which is worthy of respect, even if it's a stance which provides no solutions at all to the problems of government.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,844
    Tiny margins.
    But clear incompetence from a leading team.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/mar/23/ferrari-error-lewis-hamilton-charles-leclerc-disqualified-chinese-gp-f1
    ...The skid block on the floor of Hamilton’s car was deemed to have been 0.5mm below the limit, and Leclerc’s car was 1kg below the minimum weight requirement. Both drivers and team representatives were summoned to the stewards and afterwards the Formula One governing body, the FIA, confirmed Ferrari had admitted culpability. “The team acknowledged that there were no mitigating circumstances and that it was a genuine error,” its findings read...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,051
    Nigelb said:

    Tiny margins.
    But clear incompetence from a leading team.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/mar/23/ferrari-error-lewis-hamilton-charles-leclerc-disqualified-chinese-gp-f1
    ...The skid block on the floor of Hamilton’s car was deemed to have been 0.5mm below the limit, and Leclerc’s car was 1kg below the minimum weight requirement. Both drivers and team representatives were summoned to the stewards and afterwards the Formula One governing body, the FIA, confirmed Ferrari had admitted culpability. “The team acknowledged that there were no mitigating circumstances and that it was a genuine error,” its findings read...

    Ironic given that the usual reason for Ferrari losing is that they are as thick as planks.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,155
    LilaZ said:

    Ed Davey is basically Donald Trump with a Waitrose Loyalty Card but less charisma. The self regard is the same.
    If a car crashed on the boundary between Kingston and Surbiton, where would they bury the survivors?

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,051
    MattW said:

    If a car crashed on the boundary between Kingston and Surbiton, where would they bury the survivors?

    If they were Welsh rugby players, Twickenham.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,873
    MattW said:

    If a car crashed on the boundary between Kingston and Surbiton, where would they bury the survivors?

    Tolworth?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,155

    In Starmer's defence he can't really say out loud that the President of the United States is a c***. Back benchers and Conservative politicians in opposition should not be constrained by such etiquette.
    I think he's doing a kind of reverse Churchill.

    In 1940 and 41 Churchill was crawling on his belly to get help from the USA and pull them officially into the war, the country being functionally bankrupt because they had already had the gold and the portable assets, and the audit showed there wasn't anything else.

    Starmer is having to crawl to try and keep the USA engaged, and prevent them walking away in a more damaging way than can be avoided.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,383
    MattW said:

    If a car crashed on the boundary between Kingston and Surbiton, where would they bury the survivors?

    "Twenty-two minutes late, badger ate a junction box at New Malden."
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,764
    On topic:

    It's a tough situation for Kemi (and one that any LOTO would be facing after the 2024 election result) in that the public have sent them into Opposition precisely because they had quite enough of their antics from 2019 to 2024 and they don't want to hear any more from them.

    The will change over time and eventually the public will tune back in to Con but it's going to be a long, slow grind for Con to earn the right to be heard again.
  • oniscoidoniscoid Posts: 16

    Starmer "likes and respects" Alexander Johnson? I am shocked! I am not sure a Fixed Penalty Notice for eating birthday cake constitutes the label of a "convicted felon" either.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/23/keir-starmer-says-he-likes-and-respects-donald-trump
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,155

    Tolworth?
    Of all the What3Words at the roundabout, decaying corpses would probably be best at https://what3words.com/flies.makes.lovely .
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,873
    edited March 23
    ydoethur said:

    If they were Welsh rugby players, Twickenham.
    They all got buried alive at the Principality last weekend.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,333
    Pagan2 said:

    If most of them are working in hospitality they contribute little in terms of tax.....wasn't it roger that always detested those nice eastern europeans not working in hotels, restaurants, and coffee shops?
    Well, I know 1 university lecturer, 1 nanny, 1 freelancer providing support services for innovators, and 1 research fellow personally. All paying lots of tax! I'm sure the others are doing all sorts of different jobs.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,488
    Nigelb said:

    Tiny margins.
    But clear incompetence from a leading team.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/mar/23/ferrari-error-lewis-hamilton-charles-leclerc-disqualified-chinese-gp-f1
    ...The skid block on the floor of Hamilton’s car was deemed to have been 0.5mm below the limit, and Leclerc’s car was 1kg below the minimum weight requirement. Both drivers and team representatives were summoned to the stewards and afterwards the Formula One governing body, the FIA, confirmed Ferrari had admitted culpability. “The team acknowledged that there were no mitigating circumstances and that it was a genuine error,” its findings read...

    Gone are the days that Ross would say "the engineer read the design wrong" and all would be well...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,333

    I think that is very likely if Reform were to find someone much less toxic than Farage as leader.
    The anti-Faragists in Reform, however, want someone more toxic!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,256
    Taz said:

    But the license fee is becoming less and less tenable. Why should I pay £15 a month to fund it when the majority goes to the BBC just for the privilege of receiving live TV signals.
    An institution I rarely watch and don’t really value. If the change to license fee comes and wealthier homes have to pay more, as some beeboid has suggested, how is that fair ?

    Pay for the distribution system from general taxation but let the BBC compete for its funds.

    By all means use taxpayers money to subsidise apprenticeships and trainee schemes that helps people. As they do in other industries. I’ve never heard of the Scott Brothers but good luck to them.
    Ridley and Tony
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,386
    MattW said:

    Probably not very many because it was not a legal thing to do, and a number of Departments told Musk so themselves, and told their staff to ignore it, then the regime said lots of mutually contradictory things to obfuscate, one after the other, and there may be a lawsuit about it.

    The litigation tracker is here, with 135 lawsuits, so it's still running at about 3 per working day.

    https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal-challenges-trump-administration/

    I'm not sure what to search on for this particular offence.
    Indeed.

    And if the Dems have any sense they'll taunt Musk about his powerlessness.

    Musk needs to be publicly humiliated about his failure.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 777
    MattW said:

    If a car crashed on the boundary between Kingston and Surbiton, where would they bury the survivors?

    The chances are that if they were taken to Kingston Hospital they would end up round the corner in Bonner Hill Rd with the fatalities
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,115
    For anyone who doubts that The Death of Stalin wasn’t based on deep, essential truths..

    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1903778775994646866?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,278
    Roger said:

    Ridley and Tony
    Ridley has still got it, as well. Gladiator 2 is a jolly entertaining watch - caught it on the plane to Uruguay

    Not one of his all time masterpieces, but Ridley S is about eight trillion years old, and in that context, chapeau
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,571
    oniscoid said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/23/keir-starmer-says-he-likes-and-respects-donald-trump
    Stamer's memoirs will make an interesting read. It seems obvious that (a) he doesn't believe a word he is saying with reference to Trump and (b) his course of action is the only sane one at present.

    What surprises me is the wider discipline of the cabinet to tolerate this approach to Trump.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,145
    MattW said:

    If a car crashed on the boundary between Kingston and Surbiton, where would they bury the survivors?

    In the eye of the tiger.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,968
    Leon said:

    Ridley has still got it, as well. Gladiator 2 is a jolly entertaining watch - caught it on the plane to Uruguay

    Not one of his all time masterpieces, but Ridley S is about eight trillion years old, and in that context, chapeau
    Dunno, daughter worked on one of his films and describes him as a tyrant

  • TazTaz Posts: 17,145
    Roger said:

    Ridley and Tony
    Thanks, I have heard of Ridley Scott and enjoyed his work. Over many years.

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,517
    MattW said:

    If a car crashed on the boundary between Kingston and Surbiton, where would they bury the survivors?

    In Tom and Barbara's garden. Think of the tomatoes!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,278
    geoffw said:

    Dunno, daughter worked on one of his films and describes him as a tyrant

    Interesting. I've never really met him - been at parties where he's present but not properly talked (let alone worked for him)

    I have, however, hung out a fair bit with his circle and once went with Ridley's son to their offices in Soho when we were all drunk, and I got to wear the actual; gladiator helmet used in Gladiator, as I necked insanely expensive wine
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,558
    Leon said:

    Ridley has still got it, as well. Gladiator 2 is a jolly entertaining watch - caught it on the plane to Uruguay

    Not one of his all time masterpieces, but Ridley S is about eight trillion years old, and in that context, chapeau
    Ridley somewhat recently gave us Raised by Wolves which was impressively batsh*t.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,278
    Taz said:

    Thanks, I have heard of Ridley Scott and enjoyed his work. Over many years.

    His filmography is insane

    Two all time top 100 movies: Alien and Blade Runner. Possibly Top 20

    Gladiator might also make that list

    Plus

    The Duellists
    Thelma and Louise
    Black Hawk Down
    The Martian

    I really enjoyed Napoleon, as well

    In the list of all time movie directors, he must himself be in the top 10, up there with the likes of Scorsese and Spielberg
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    ydoethur said:

    Lloyd George was many things Trump is. Selfish, greedy, deceitful, corrupt, sexually depraved and using party as a vehicle for his own ego.

    But - he was not stupid. And nor did he get where he did by his father's efforts.

    Also, having changed his mind following earlier praise for Hitler, he was an opponent of appeasement from 1937 onwards (whether that was because of a revelation about Hitler or merely a desire to annoy Neville Chamberlain is another question).
    Lloyd George bedded one of his daughters-in-law, something which Trump has not yet matched as far as I know.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,024
    Barack Obama

    @BarackObama
    I know it can feel like a different era sometimes. But fifteen years ago, I signed the Affordable Care Act into law. Now nearly 50 million people have received health care through the ACA.

    With everything going on right now, it’s easy to feel like regular folks can’t make a difference – but the Affordable Care Act is a reminder that change is possible when we keep fighting for progress.

    https://x.com/BarackObama/status/1903814793191903708
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,517
    Leon said:

    His filmography is insane

    Two all time top 100 movies: Alien and Blade Runner. Possibly Top 20

    Gladiator might also make that list

    Plus

    The Duellists
    Thelma and Louise
    Black Hawk Down
    The Martian

    I really enjoyed Napoleon, as well

    In the list of all time movie directors, he must himself be in the top 10, up there with the likes of Scorsese and Spielberg
    I have three-point-turned a rented Jeep on the cliff Thelma & Louise plunged off. American national parks are very hands-off compared with ours. Too big for safety barriers.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,383
    ohnotnow said:

    Ridley somewhat recently gave us Raised by Wolves which was impressively batsh*t.
    Prometheus :lol:
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,618
    A busy weekend! 3 videos edited and uploaded - including the channel rebrand, new title sequence etc. And two more mostly done.

    Main thing is that I have a reposition for the channel where I get to keep doing what I am doing whilst now openly attacking Muskolini. Its bound to trigger some people. Whatever.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,581

    Barack Obama

    @BarackObama
    I know it can feel like a different era sometimes. But fifteen years ago, I signed the Affordable Care Act into law. Now nearly 50 million people have received health care through the ACA.

    With everything going on right now, it’s easy to feel like regular folks can’t make a difference – but the Affordable Care Act is a reminder that change is possible when we keep fighting for progress.

    https://x.com/BarackObama/status/1903814793191903708

    Feels like there’s a subtle subtext there…
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,278
    edited March 23
    ohnotnow said:

    Ridley somewhat recently gave us Raised by Wolves which was impressively batsh*t.
    I've often thought famous movie directors have the best possible human lives


    1. You get the enormous satisfaction of creative work - using your imagination
    2. You get to travel, probably for free, in high style
    3. You work with lots of interesting people, of all kinds, you meet everyone
    4. You get paid shedloads, if you're good
    5. You get just the right amount of fame - respect and honour from clever people, but not so much fame it ruins your life - you can walk the street
    6. You get to tup a choice of stunning young women, your actresses, in their early-mid 20s
    7. And they come on to YOU
    8. You can carry on into your 80s - as Ridley Scott shows

    What a life. I can't think of a human endeavour more fun than that. And I speak as someone with a stupidly fun job - top movie director must be even better
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,155
    edited March 23
    A bit of a treat:

    Mrs Ken Dodd looking into the first of his hundreds of notebooks:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0kz8ps6

    The whole programme: 100 minutes. On BBC 2 now.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0029csg
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,517

    A busy weekend! 3 videos edited and uploaded - including the channel rebrand, new title sequence etc. And two more mostly done.

    Main thing is that I have a reposition for the channel where I get to keep doing what I am doing whilst now openly attacking Muskolini. Its bound to trigger some people. Whatever.

    I see one Polestar video and no rebrand. Does it take time to appear?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,517
    Leon said:

    I've often thought famous movie directors have the best possible human lives


    1. You get the enormous satisfaction of creative work - using your imgination
    2. You get to travel, probably for free, in high style
    3. You work with lots of interesting people, of all kinds, you meet everyone
    4. You get paid shedloads, if you're good
    5. You get just the right amount of fame - respect and honour from clever people, but not so much fame it ruins your life - you can walk the street
    6. You get to tup a choice of stunning young women, your actresses, in their early-mid 20s
    7. And they come on to YOU
    8. You can carry on into your 80s - as Ridley Scott shows

    What a life. I can't think of a human endeavour more fun than that. And I speak as someone with a stupidly fun job - top movie director must be even better
    I couldn't cope with having multiple irons in the fire and never knowing which ones would happen due to talent or financing and when. Maybe this goes away when you get big enough.

    I like, prosaically, to start a creative endeavour knowing it will be finished. Perhaps it's just laziness.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,278
    edited March 23
    carnforth said:

    I couldn't cope with having multiple irons in the fire and never knowing which ones would happen due to talent or financing and when. Maybe this goes away when you get big enough.

    I like, prosaically, to start a creative endeavour knowing it will be finished. Perhaps it's just laziness.
    I think, once you hit a certain level - like Ridley Scott - if you want to make a movie it is highly likely to be made

    But yes, that's rare. And unless you're in that absolute elite - Spielberg-land - then you are dependant on others. I remember learning with surprise that Clint Eastwood struggled to get Unforgiven made, for many years

    And of course it turned out to be one of the best Westerns of all time
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,024
    carnforth said:

    I see one Polestar video and no rebrand. Does it take time to appear?
    Is there a link to this?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,618
    carnforth said:

    I see one Polestar video and no rebrand. Does it take time to appear?
    2 more videos to release as JGAT. Then I will go onto the channel and rebrand it. With the first in the new brand released 1st April (as I release on Tuesdays and Fridays).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,024
    carnforth said:

    I couldn't cope with having multiple irons in the fire and never knowing which ones would happen due to talent or financing and when. Maybe this goes away when you get big enough.

    I like, prosaically, to start a creative endeavour knowing it will be finished. Perhaps it's just laziness.
    Being a director sounds fun but maybe it is not. How many people are they trying to manage? Big film - could be 100s, maybe 1000s?

    Sounds like nervous breakdown territory for some.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,618

    Is there a link to this?
    https://youtu.be/TpD4hTLqpcU
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,968
    Here's a plan for our political leaders bereft of ideas:
    Douglas Carswell, My plan to get Britain back on track
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/411db5f531869295
    (it's free to view)
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,618
    Of far more interest with regards to my YouTubing and politics is that I'm due to record an episode or two of my new politics channel on Thursday evening. Still a few things to pin down with my co-presenter, but it is going to be interesting!
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    Tres said:

    you can't be a tory voter at least then, you admitted a fault
    Haven't voted tory since 2010....the coalition destroyed all faith in our democracy
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,024

    Bill Kristol
    @BillKristol
    ·
    6h
    92 years ago today:

    The Reichstag passes the Enabling Act ("Law to Remedy the Distress of People and Reich"), giving the Chancellor, Adolf Hitler, the power to make and enforce laws. The Center Party votes Yes, providing decisive support. Social Democrats are in opposition.

    https://x.com/BillKristol/status/1903825685984195032
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,413
    @YourAnonCentral

    MAGA is hillbilly ISIS
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,618
    geoffw said:

    Here's a plan for our political leaders bereft of ideas:
    Douglas Carswell, My plan to get Britain back on track
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/411db5f531869295
    (it's free to view)

    There is a teensy weensy problem with his "have Farage govern like Trump" model. In America there are several months between the election and the actual transition of power. In the UK there are several minutes between.

    Which means all of the Orders in Council he imagines would be used must be written during the election campaign itself.

    Which means they will leak / be published.

    Which means the reaction from the public will be akin to Rupert Mannion: "Thats Fucking Mental"
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    Scott_xP said:

    @YourAnonCentral

    MAGA is hillbilly ISIS

    Careful ISIS may sue for defamation
  • novanova Posts: 747
    geoffw said:

    Here's a plan for our political leaders bereft of ideas:
    Douglas Carswell, My plan to get Britain back on track
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/411db5f531869295
    (it's free to view)

    Not read all yet, but Milestone 2 caught my attention.

    He want to deport the "estimated 500,000 to 1 million illegal immigrants believed to be residing in the UK".

    First thing that jumps to mind, is that if you don't even know whether there are 500k or 1m, then arranging to deport them might be quite tricky.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    nova said:

    Not read all yet, but Milestone 2 caught my attention.

    He want to deport the "estimated 500,000 to 1 million illegal immigrants believed to be residing in the UK".

    First thing that jumps to mind, is that if you don't even know whether there are 500k or 1m, then arranging to deport them might be quite tricky.
    Better idea deport all members of political parties
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,386
    dr_spyn said:

    Lloyd George bedded one of his daughters-in-law, something which Trump has not yet matched as far as I know.
    I think Trump would prefer to bed his own daughters.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,745
    edited March 23
    nova said:

    Not read all yet, but Milestone 2 caught my attention.

    He want to deport the "estimated 500,000 to 1 million illegal immigrants believed to be residing in the UK".

    First thing that jumps to mind, is that if you don't even know whether there are 500k or 1m, then arranging to deport them might be quite tricky.
    All our bloody politicians seem obsessed with copying America with its Trumpism and DOGE cuts. It is such a cultural cringe, as if we have no history and culture of our own. Can't they at least wait to see if it's as obvious car crash as it seems?

    At least Ed Davey is willing to call out this crap.

    Amongst the hackneyed clichés in Carswell's rant was this string of bollocks:

    "Our history, once a source of pride, is being rewritten. The country that produced Shakespeare, Newton, Brunell and Austen is not allowed any claim to exceptionalism, other than exceptional wickedness. Young people in Britain, a nation that led the fight to abolish to slave trade, are taught we were its chief practitioners."

    The fuckwit can't even spell Brunel correctly. 2/10, go to the back of the class.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,024
    Foxy said:

    All our bloody politicians seem obsessed with copying America with its Trumpism and DOGE cuts. It is such a cultural cringe, as if we have no history and culture of our own. Can't they at least wait to see if it's as obvious car crash as it seems?

    At least Ed Davey is willing to call out this crap.
    This. 100x this.

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