Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

The Tory irrelevance continues – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,384
edited March 23 in General
The Tory irrelevance continues – politicalbetting.com

I have said for a while that the biggest threat for the Tories is that the narrative for the next election is a fight between Labour and Reform, this polling reinforces that.

Read the full story here

«134567

Comments

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,045
    "If Kermit Badenoch wants to become Prime Minister it is a narrative she needs to destroy and reshape."

    I can't see how she can.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,607
    Reform and Tories merging/making a pact/forming a coalition seems a big threat to Labour to me.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,382
    rkrkrk said:

    Reform and Tories merging/making a pact/forming a coalition seems a big threat to Labour to me.

    A pact would probably be negative sum for them, but a rivalry between the Tories and Reform could eclipse Labour.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,085
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,045
    Taz said:
    Something I want to comment on, but feel I cannot, sadly. Except for this most cryptic of comments.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,275
    FPT…

    The remaining ex-Presidents haven't even been bothered enough to comment on Trump's illegal actions. They have been utterly shameful.
    Would MAGA or Fox News listen to them?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,382
    algarkirk said:

    Yes, it is so becoming; that is the intention. The jury is not still out. The jury is still out about outcomes. Remaining questions include:

    Is the intention a continuing 'elected' dictatorship or a rigged/non elected one?

    Will the SCOTUS intervene decisively, and if so will their judgment be enforced?

    Will there be an enforced clamp down on the jurisdiction of the courts?

    Will the, fairly wide, degree of free speech (under intimidation) and free media be allowed to continue?

    Will there be a 'Reichstag Fire' event?

    Will there be a counter-coup?

    (So far this is all at the very worst end of my expectations).
    Is the Trump administration doing anything that would be unconstitutional for a newly-elected majority government in Britain?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,275
    Taz said:
    What will happen to Democratic candidates’ accounts as we approach the US midterms?
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 572

    Yes.
    Definitely
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,860

    What will happen to Democratic candidates’ accounts as we approach the US midterms?
    Democrats still have Twitter accounts?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,231

    Is the Trump administration doing anything that would be unconstitutional for a newly-elected majority government in Britain?
    Are you a moron or just paid to ask moronic questions?
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 572

    What will happen to Democratic candidates’ accounts as we approach the US midterms?
    The "titans of free speech" who had the nerve to come to Europe and lecture us. It is just sickening to observe the maga hypocrisy.

    And yes, the mid-terms are going to be a nail biter when it comes to the prospects for constitutional democracy vs authoritarianism in the US. I think it is 50/50 between overriding and supreme court decision and tanking the midterms as the definitive moment. I mean ignoring court orders on deportation due process is bad enough. But I think the other two will be the flash point for a serious crisis in America.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,362

    The "titans of free speech" who had the nerve to come to Europe and lecture us. It is just sickening to observe the maga hypocrisy.

    And yes, the mid-terms are going to be a nail biter when it comes to the prospects for constitutional democracy vs authoritarianism in the US. I think it is 50/50 between overriding and supreme court decision and tanking the midterms as the definitive moment. I mean ignoring court orders on deportation due process is bad enough. But I think the other two will be the flash point for a serious crisis in America.
    A thread I have planned is that the crisis could come much sooner than the mid terms.

    With special elections/defection it is possible the Dems take control of the House this year.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,085
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3w10816en3o

    UKTV industry apparently in crisis, although from the article it is the Beeb and itv.

    The solution to this non problem is, of course, more money from taxpayers rather than finding new streams of income, nice timing too given the current debate on future funding of the BBC.

    The BBC seems to favour a sliding scale with wealthier homes paying more than less well off homes.

    It’s time to get rid of the license fee, fund the network from general taxation, and let the BBC seek its funding in the open market.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,382

    Yes.
    What's the clearest example of this?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,021
    Is TSE doing commentary for Sky F1? They"ve just described Verstappen as 'the big loser.' :smiley:
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,021

    What's the clearest example of this?
    Sacking people without due process.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,275
    ydoethur said:

    Sacking people without due process.
    Disobeying court orders.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,021

    Sometime you just have to let things play out.

    Focus internally, rebuild unity and discipline. Develop some new ideas and solutions. And have patience.

    Admit it's not easy being green?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,523
    Taz said:
    And when they complained about Soros investing in developing democracy globally we thought they just didn’t like his Jewish heritage.

    Turns out it was the message as well as the messenger
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,523

    FPT…


    Would MAGA or Fox News listen to them?
    One hopes they are busy behind the scenes
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,045

    What will happen to Democratic candidates’ accounts as we approach the US midterms?
    One thing a dictator could do is not just pressure companies to remove accounts belonging to opposition figures, but opposition figures could find that their Internet access methods (wired, wireless etc) oddly get turned off for no reason.

    They can work around it, but the authorities can work around the work arounds.

    Just sayin'.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,523

    Is the Trump administration doing anything
    that would be unconstitutional for a newly-elected majority government in Britain?
    Yes
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,523
    ydoethur said:

    Sacking people without due process.
    And without notice and/or action by Congress where explicitly required by legislation
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,085

    A thread I have planned is that the crisis could come much sooner than the mid terms.

    With special elections/defection it is possible the Dems take control of the House this year.
    Crisis, what crisis.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,021
    edited March 23

    And without notice and/or action by Congress where explicitly required by legislation
    Terminating funding voted by Congress without authorisation (which I suppose is linked).

    Edit - empowering improperly appointed persons to seize and/or destroy government files.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,440
    edited March 23
    Foxy said:

    But also a big threat to the Conservatives too. The voters are not interchangeable and a fair number of each loathe the other party.
    That's always the case with coalitions or mergers.

    Some work nonetheless, like the Liberal Unionist-Conservative coalition a century ago. Some don't for that reason.

    Political alliances are much more likely to work when they are seen as a permanent merger, rather than a temporary electoral expedient, when they coalesce around a charismatic leader, and when the non-coalition party keeps shooting itself in the foot.

    I'd say Starmer and Reeves are doing their best to help with the latter, but the other two are still some way off.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,107
    FPT updating a reference.

    Musk's "I'll double USA Tesla production" was at the White House car show 2 weeks ago:

    https://fortune.com/2025/03/12/elon-musk-double-tesla-us-car-production/

  • TazTaz Posts: 17,085

    A thread I have planned is that the crisis could come much sooner than the mid terms.

    With special elections/defection it is possible the Dems take control of the House this year.
    Historically the best outcome for the USA is one side controls the house the other other senate.

    The sooner the better.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,362
    ydoethur said:

    Is TSE doing commentary for Sky F1? They"ve just described Verstappen as 'the big loser.' :smiley:

    I would never be that complimentary about Max Verstappen.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,913
    edited March 23

    A thread I have planned is that the crisis could come much sooner than the mid terms.

    With special elections/defection it is possible the Dems take control of the House this year.
    That would rely on some GOP politicians growing a spine . Musk has threatened to primary anyone that doesn’t adhere to the new autocracy and there is the threat of violence against anyone who steps out of line by the Maga cult .

    Unfortunately only an economic crash in the USA and subsequent voter punishment which is so great even the GOP attempts to steal the mid terms don’t succeed can change the trajectory. That also means we’ll have to suffer the economic effects here as well.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,231
    ydoethur said:

    Terminating funding voted by Congress without authorisation (which I suppose is linked).

    Edit - empowering improperly appointed persons to seize and/or destroy government files.
    I don't know why you peeps bother. I just assume that @williamglenn lives in St Petersburg and has no experience of how the rule of law is supposed to work in a democracy. Has zero understanding of democracy either - the other day he claimed Germany isn't a democracy because the AfD aren't part of the government.

    You'd really have to start at the kindergarten level with this fool, not that they have any interest in answers to all the "questions" they ask. You'd have to start by saying that even though the United Kingdom and the United States both begin with the same word, they are actually different countries with different constitutions. But it's a waste of time with this troll.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,355
    Nothing like TV problems halfway through a race...
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,523
    nico67 said:

    That would rely on some GOP politicians growing a spine . Musk has threatened to primary anyone that doesn’t adhere to the new autocracy and there is the threat of violence against anyone who steps out of line by the Maga cult .

    Unfortunately only an economic crash in the USA and subsequent voter punishment which is so great even the GOP attempts to steal the mid terms don’t succeed can
    change the trajectory. That also means we’ll have to suffer the economic effects here as well.
    I understand that, normally, being a member of Congress comes with a deal of prestige so the threat of losing it is real.

    But would you really want to be a supine dog in order to preserve the ability to continue being a supine dog… surely better to go down in a blaze of glory?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,382
    kamski said:

    I don't know why you peeps bother. I just assume that @williamglenn lives in St Petersburg and has no experience of how the rule of law is supposed to work in a democracy. Has zero understanding of democracy either - the other day he claimed Germany isn't a democracy because the AfD aren't part of the government.

    You'd really have to start at the kindergarten level with this fool, not that they have any interest in answers to all the "questions" they ask. You'd have to start by saying that even though the United Kingdom and the United States both begin with the same word, they are actually different countries with different constitutions. But it's a waste of time with this troll.
    I didn't say that Germany wasn't a democracy but that the "Brandmauer" means that a large number of voters get ignored in the name of democracy. It's a criticism of the other parties.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5138472#Comment_5138472

    The point of my question today was to explore how much of the reaction to Trump on here is just vicarious outrage. In Britain it's normal for a Prime Minister to have the power to abolish or merge government departments, so if the American system tries to prevent Trump doing similar, why regard Trump as the problem rather than the system?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,523

    He has so radically changed his viewpoint over the last decade, than I think he is either:
    *) Utterly trolling us.
    *) Not the same WilliamGlenn, and instead a hijacked account.
    Although the sophisticated Russian trolls like to an extreme but rational position on controversial topics - their aim is to forment
    discord rather than be consistent
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,021

    I didn't say that Germany wasn't a democracy but that the "Brandmauer" means that a large number of voters get ignored in the name of democracy. It's a criticism of the other parties.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5138472#Comment_5138472

    The point of my question today was to explore how much of the reaction to Trump on here is just vicarious outrage. In Britain it's normal for a Prime Minister to have the power to abolish or merge government departments, so if the American system tries to prevent Trump doing similar, why regard Trump as the problem rather than the system?
    Because the law is very different in America. In America departments are established by Congress, and departmental heads are confirmed by the Senate. In the UK Secretaries of State are appointed by the Monarch on the advice of the PM from members of the Privy Council. Incidentally, that only applies to Secretaries of State. Other ministries can't be abolished or merged at the whim of the PM, as Tony Blair found when he tried to abolish the role of Lord Chancellor, which was (annd still is) established by statute.

    In any case, that was not your question. And as has been pointed out, a very considerable amounts of what Trump is doing in America would be illegal in this country, and since the PM does not have immunity from prosecution would likely lead to a prison sentence if somebody tried them here.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,275

    I didn't say that Germany wasn't a democracy but that the "Brandmauer" means that a large number of voters get ignored in the name of democracy. It's a criticism of the other parties.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5138472#Comment_5138472

    The point of my question today was to explore how much of the reaction to Trump on here is just vicarious outrage. In Britain it's normal for a Prime Minister to have the power to abolish or merge government departments, so if the American system tries to prevent Trump doing similar, why regard Trump as the problem rather than the system?
    It’s normal to tackle someone in rugby, but it’s a foul in football. You play by the rules of the game. That’s how democracy works. The rule of law is perhaps the most basic conservative ideal.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,927

    Is the Trump administration doing anything that would be unconstitutional for a newly-elected majority government in Britain?
    The cabinet not being appointed by the King?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,021

    It’s normal to tackle someone in rugby, but it’s a foul in football. You play by the rules of the game. That’s how democracy works. The rule of law is perhaps the most basic conservative ideal.
    Not for Massive Johnson.

    I'll leave it up to you whether I'm referring to Boris or Mike.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,927
    What could really mess things up is some sort of civil war in Turkey. They're Ukraine's least compromising supporters.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,021
    Eabhal said:

    The cabinet not being appointed by the King?
    Revoking security clearances for predecessors and former ministers would be another - although it can be done (Profumo lost his over the Profumo Affair) it's very rare and a process has to be followed.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,382

    It’s normal to tackle someone in rugby, but it’s a foul in football. You play by the rules of the game. That’s how democracy works. The rule of law is perhaps the most basic conservative ideal.
    The desire to change the system rather than just operate within it is also quite a normal democratic aspiration.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,704

    He has so radically changed his viewpoint over the last decade, than I think he is either:
    *) Utterly trolling us.
    *) Not the same WilliamGlenn, and instead a hijacked account.
    No, @williamglenn was a Trumpite a decade ago too, while simultaneously making Steve Bray look lukewarm over Europe.

    He is a proper Tankie, and enthusiastically adopts the new position when the party line changes. We have always been at war with EastAsia.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,927
    Fuel is extraordinarily cheap now. Just filled up at 129p. Approaching a 25% real terms cut since 2010.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,645
    ydoethur said:

    Because the law is very different in America. In America departments are established by Congress, and departmental heads are confirmed by the Senate. In the UK Secretaries of State are appointed by the Monarch on the advice of the PM from members of the Privy Council. Incidentally, that only applies to Secretaries of State. Other ministries can't be abolished or merged at the whim of the PM, as Tony Blair found when he tried to abolish the role of Lord Chancellor, which was (annd still is) established by statute.

    In any case, that was not your question. And as has been pointed out, a very considerable amounts of what Trump is doing in America would be illegal in this country, and since the PM does not have immunity from prosecution would likely lead to a prison sentence if somebody tried them here.
    If a British PM had attempted what Trump did in 2020 he would already have been in prison for sometime. And his mob wouldn’t have been pardoned.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,645
    edited March 23
    Eabhal said:

    What could really mess things up is some sort of civil war in Turkey. They're Ukraine's least compromising supporters.

    Unlikely I think. Erdogan has the benefit of having already successfully seen off a failed coup. Once bitten twice shy. See also Putin and Wagner.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,231

    I didn't say that Germany wasn't a democracy but that the "Brandmauer" means that a large number of voters get ignored in the name of democracy. It's a criticism of the other parties.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5138472#Comment_5138472

    The point of my question today was to explore how much of the reaction to Trump on here is just vicarious outrage. In Britain it's normal for a Prime Minister to have the power to abolish or merge government departments, so if the American system tries to prevent Trump doing similar, why regard Trump as the problem rather than the system?
    You posted

    "Posted from a country that has a "Brandmauer" that means 20% of voters get ignored in the name of democracy."

    You apparently haven't noticed that in pretty much every democracy a big chunk of voters have their choice 'ignored' after every election.

    It would actually be less democratic if parties that gave absolute guarantees before an election not to work with the AfD, then junked those guarantees after the election.

    Of course it's entirely up to the Americans if they want to give the president those powers (maybe there are good reasons not to, I don't know). US courts seem to be saying that some of the things Trump is doing are illegal, so the Republicans would, I assume, have to get legislation through Congress to give Trump these powers. Or ignore the courts and declare a dictatorship.

    What's normal in Britain isn't relevant at all.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,275

    The desire to change the system rather than just operate within it is also quite a normal democratic aspiration.
    Yes, and the system allows for change, but you have to make the changes through agreed mechanisms. One side, or one person, can’t just decree the changes made.

    Trump can desire to change the system all he wants. He can’t decree it has changed as if he were a king.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,793

    A thread I have planned is that the crisis could come much sooner than the mid terms.

    With special elections/defection it is possible the Dems take control of the House this year.
    I would like to believe this but with the Democrats even less popular than the Republicans right now, I'm doubtful.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,275
    FF43 said:

    I would like to believe this but with the Democrats even less popular than the Republicans right now, I'm doubtful.
    Polls Show Democrats Losing Popularity, Yet Making 2026 Gains
    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/polls-show-democrats-losing-popularity-making-2026-gains.html
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,645
    kamski said:

    You posted

    "Posted from a country that has a "Brandmauer" that means 20% of voters get ignored in the name of democracy."

    You apparently haven't noticed that in pretty much every democracy a big chunk of voters have their choice 'ignored' after every election.

    It would actually be less democratic if parties that gave absolute guarantees before an election not to work with the AfD, then junked those guarantees after the election.

    Of course it's entirely up to the Americans if they want to give the president those powers (maybe there are good reasons not to, I don't know). US courts seem to be saying that some of the things Trump is doing are illegal, so the Republicans would, I assume, have to get legislation through Congress to give Trump these powers. Or ignore the courts and declare a dictatorship.

    What's normal in Britain isn't relevant at all.
    I’m enjoying this new definition of democracy that guarantees power-sharing with a specific minority party.

    I think we should extend it to Britain. Abolish the brandmauer that both Labour and Conservatives erect to deny the SNP their rightful seats in Cabinet.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 61
    kamski said:

    I don't know why you peeps bother. I just assume that @williamglenn lives in St Petersburg and has no experience of how the rule of law is supposed to work in a democracy. Has zero understanding of democracy either - the other day he claimed Germany isn't a democracy because the AfD aren't part of the government.

    You'd really have to start at the kindergarten level with this fool, not that they have any interest in answers to all the "questions" they ask. You'd have to start by saying that even though the United Kingdom and the United States both begin with the same word, they are actually different countries with different constitutions. But it's a waste of time with this troll.
    And yet you seem obsessed with fairly foul mouthed rants instead of argument. This just demeans the site I'm afraid .
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,704
    FF43 said:

    I would like to believe this but with the Democrats even less popular than the Republicans right now, I'm doubtful.
    Unpopular for being supine.

    Those speaking out like Bernie and AOC are getting vast support.

    AOC would be a great president, assuming that there are further US elections.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,191
    edited March 23

    A thread I have planned is that the crisis could come much sooner than the mid terms.

    With special elections/defection it is possible the Dems take control of the House this year.
    Possible. Also possible that defections happen too - perhaps the likelier route. Bear in mind for the special elections, if he is still onside with Trump (not a given), Musk can put millions into advertising. We are seeeing this already in Wisconsin.

    It's going to come down to whether the voters are real 'ornery and in a mood to punish MAGA by then. Fair chance of that. If the scales start to fall from their eyes, they will see just how much they have been Trump's useful idiots.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,362
    scampi25 said:

    And yet you seem obsessed with fairly foul mouthed rants instead of argument. This just demeans the site I'm afraid .
    Wait until you start reading Leon's posts.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,107
    FPT:
    kamski said:

    It's actually worse than the BBC article, which misses some details

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/putin-said-prayed-donald-trump-2024-assassination-attempt-rcna197629

    Putin “told me a story ... about how when the president was shot, he went to his local church and met with his priest and prayed for the president,” Witkoff said. Putin did it “not because ... he could become the president of the United States, but because he had a friendship with him, and he was praying for his friend.”

    Is this guy a fucking moron, or does he think that other people are stupid enough to buy this shit?
    I've just been catching up with Mr Witkoff. Hmmm.

    I'd say he comes across as a standard Trump appointee. He is perceived as successful in one of the small number of narrow fields that Trump thinks he knows ("Real Estate"), and is therefore assumed to be some kind of Universal Expert.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,191
    Foxy said:

    Unpopular for being supine.

    Those speaking out like Bernie and AOC are getting vast support.

    AOC would be a great president, assuming that there are further US elections.
    AOC v JD Vance would be one hell of an election...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,362
    ydoethur said:

    People read Leon's posts?
    Fair point.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,054
    Chequered flag just in time for Norris lol
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,355
    F1: well, race bet failed but moderately pleased with my 14 on Piastri for the title, each way, right now.

    Considering hedging. Down to 3.45. Will wait a bit. He should be shorter.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,983
    Eabhal said:

    Fuel is extraordinarily cheap now. Just filled up at 129p. Approaching a 25% real terms cut since 2010.

    Amazed you have a nasty petrol car, would have had you down as a prius or leaf driver.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,085
    Eabhal said:

    Fuel is extraordinarily cheap now. Just filled up at 129p. Approaching a 25% real terms cut since 2010.

    It’s nice to see a good news story for a change.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,085
    Foxy said:

    Unpopular for being supine.

    Those speaking out like Bernie and AOC are getting vast support.

    AOC would be a great president, assuming that there are further US elections.
    What would make her a good president ?

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,983
    scampi25 said:

    And yet you seem obsessed with fairly foul mouthed rants instead of argument. This just demeans the site I'm afraid .
    You must lead a very sheltered life if you count that mild stuff as foul mouthed.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,983
    Taz said:

    What would make her a good president ?

    Being a woman, she may have some common sense Taz.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,231
    ydoethur said:

    People read Leon's posts?
    They can be quite entertaining. Just avoid any containing the word "noom" - they are guaranteed to be tedious beyond what any human soul can bear.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,983
    ydoethur said:

    People read Leon's posts?
    LOL
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,139

    AOC v JD Vance would be one hell of an election...
    Hell being the kind of place where voters would be faced with that choice. I mean, you would have to go AOC in that situation, but a lot of voters would really struggle with it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,021
    edited March 23
    Taz said:

    What would make her a good president ?

    I'm no fan at all of AOC but she couldn't possibly be as bad as this one. Even if she can be just as arrogant she is at least possessed of a functioning brain.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,359
    Taz said:

    What would make her a good president ?

    Her unwavering support for Senile Joe:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez reaffirmed her commitment to President Joe Biden as the presumptive Democratic nominee on Monday evening amid heightened tensions within the party over his mental fitness.

    “Joe Biden is our nominee, he is not leaving this race, he is in this race and I support him,” Ocasio-Cortez told a group of reporters outside of the Capitol.

    The New York rep’s assertion comes as Democratic lawmakers scramble to find consensus on whether or not to support Biden, 81, as the presidential nominee.

    At least six House Democrats have publicly called for the president to withdraw from the race following his disappointing and concerning debate performance at the end of June. The president’s failure to confidently debate his political opponent has led to concerns that he is not well enough to run a campaign or defeat Donald Trump.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/aoc-backing-biden-democratic-nominee-b2576756.html
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,350
    kamski said:

    They can be quite entertaining. Just avoid any containing the word "noom" - they are guaranteed to be tedious beyond what any human soul can bear.
    The diet app http://www.noom.com beat him to the word anyway :lol:
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,191
    Ukrainian's claim to have destroyed over 25,000 pieces of artillery in Putin's 3-day SMO...
  • He has so radically changed his viewpoint over the last decade, than I think he is either:
    *) Utterly trolling us.
    *) Not the same WilliamGlenn, and instead a hijacked account.
    *) Zeal of the convert.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,973
    Even in the UK if Parliament had passed laws that required spending on specific things, the Prime Minister couldn’t just ignore that without primary legislation.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,350

    Her unwavering support for Senile Joe:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez reaffirmed her commitment to President Joe Biden as the presumptive Democratic nominee on Monday evening amid heightened tensions within the party over his mental fitness.

    “Joe Biden is our nominee, he is not leaving this race, he is in this race and I support him,” Ocasio-Cortez told a group of reporters outside of the Capitol.

    The New York rep’s assertion comes as Democratic lawmakers scramble to find consensus on whether or not to support Biden, 81, as the presidential nominee.

    At least six House Democrats have publicly called for the president to withdraw from the race following his disappointing and concerning debate performance at the end of June. The president’s failure to confidently debate his political opponent has led to concerns that he is not well enough to run a campaign or defeat Donald Trump.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/aoc-backing-biden-democratic-nominee-b2576756.html
    Sleep Joe is just a doddery old fool.

    Dodgy Donald is a DANGEROUSLY UNHINGED doddery old fool.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,107
    Taz said:

    It’s nice to see a good news story for a change.
    Fuel duty will be a good test of whether Reeves and Starmer are still frightened of addressing Conservative talking points head on.

    I wonder if the blowback on the other things they have done will have made this obvious one to address relatively more palatable.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,355
    MattW said:

    Fuel duty will be a good test of whether Reeves and Starmer are still frightened of addressing Conservative talking points head on.

    I wonder if the blowback on the other things they have done will have made this obvious one to address relatively more palatable.
    Increase the cost of fuel and watch inflation rise with the Government taking the blame.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,191
    FF43 said:

    I would like to believe this but with the Democrats even less popular than the Republicans right now, I'm doubtful.
    Too many of the Democratic top-brass seem to assume that, you know, swingback. Not realising Trump is taking a wrecking ball to cosy assumptions.

    They need some whip-smart street fighters. Preferably under the age of 70.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,350
    Foxy said:

    Are you suggesting that Badenoch is in charge of a failing show that keeps going off the rails, while Stadller and Waldorf heckle?
    "That wasn't half bad!"
    "You're right, it was ALL bad!"
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,927
    A
    malcolmg said:

    Amazed you have a nasty petrol car, would have had you down as a prius or leaf driver.
    I'm going to try and get this thing to 140,000 miles, but we've had a few rusty things fall off the bottom in the last year...

    I'd absolutely love the next one to be an EV but 1) we live in a flat with no charging infrastructure 2) cars are way too expensive for us to justify the additional cost 3) fuel is super cheap
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,107
    edited March 23
    A question on US Governing arrangements.

    Can sitting Senators or Congressmen be senior officials in an Administration without stepping down?

    (Trump's running down of the Republican Congressional majority by appointing some to his Administration suggests not, but I have never seen it written down anywhere.)
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,927

    Increase the cost of fuel and watch inflation rise with the Government taking the blame.
    Using that logic, why not just cut VAT on everything to cut inflation? Would be a more equitable way of doing it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,085
    ydoethur said:

    I'm no fan at all of AOC but she couldn't possibly be as bad as this one. Even if she can be just as arrogant she is at least possessed of a functioning brain.
    I know little of her aside from the more superficial stuff. I don’t think the ‘she can’t be any worse’ argument cuts it really. She could easily.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,359
    edited March 23
    MattW said:

    A question on US Governing arrangements.

    Can sitting Senators or Congressmen be senior officials in an Administration without stepping down?

    (Trump's running down of the Republican Congressional majority by appointing some to his Administration suggests not, but I have never seen it written down anywhere.)

    The GOP House majority is still at 5 as the stupid party thought it a good idea to run two cancer sufferers in their seventies as candidates last November. They have subsequently died.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_representatives#Vacancies
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,789

    Is the Trump administration doing anything that would be unconstitutional for a newly-elected majority government in Britain?
    Acting without legislative approval to do so. Eg, peremptory deportation without an act of parliament ousting the jurisdiction of the courts.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,645
    Taz said:

    I know little of her aside from the more superficial stuff. I don’t think the ‘she can’t be any worse’ argument cuts it really. She could easily.

    I think it would be particularly hard to be more malevolent and inimical to democracy or Western interests than Trump. Not easy at all.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,359
    Taz said:

    I know little of her aside from the more superficial stuff. I don’t think the ‘she can’t be any worse’ argument cuts it really. She could easily.

    The Dems need to look outside of DC and outside of coastal liberalism for their next candidate
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,350
    malcolmg said:

    Amazed you have a nasty petrol car, would have had you down as a prius or leaf driver.
    Wot? Not a Tesla?? :lol:
Sign In or Register to comment.