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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    carnforth said:

    "A senior lawyer appointed by Reform UK to investigate allegations against suspended MP Rupert Lowe and his team has denied making comments he has attributed to her."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7430zw4zqyo

    Delicious.

    The state of this country. We can't even organise a proper right-wing populist party.

    Germany, France, Italy, even the US ffs - they can all manage it but not the UK.

    (Makes you proud to be British tbh.)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    Absolutely.

    (Although... what about my iPhone, Macbook?)
  • Nigelb said:


    The first sign trump is really serious about invading Canada will be a complete US military pull out from Europe, including the UK. They have a huge amount of valuable assets here, all of which would be seized immediately the US moved on Canada. So those aircraft will be long gone before war happens.

    Isn’t something along those lines already planned ?
    Only some eastern European countries, at least so far. There has been nothing announced about US bases in the UK, for example, and no current evidence of any withdrawal of forces.

    If they start pulling aircraft and personnel out of the UK, that's a huge warning sign the US is going to do something they know will piss the British government off so much they'd have no hesitation shutting those bases down and grabbing any hardware still present.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641

    rcs1000 said:

    Phil said:

    Nurses take notes home all the time. They shouldn’t, but they do. (I bet intensive care nurses stopped taking notes home after the Letby case though, once they realised it could be used against them.) The notes to herself about guilt are ones the therapist appointed to her by her employer told her to make apparently.

    According to sources I’ve seen, it was standard practice in the neonatal department to not “rush to intervene” with a crashing baby (in case you made things worse presumably) but to stand by at first, so that doesn’t really count either.

    This is the thing with the Letby case, it’s a pile of suspicious sounding stories that sound like clear evidence of her guilt /if/ you think she’s already guilty. If not? They evaporate into thin air.

    The only hard evidence is the insulin poisoning & if that fails, it seems to me that everything else fails with it.

    Nurses don’t usually take home the notes of babies that died and stash them under the bed and then lie about not being able to dispose of them.

    A therapist told her to write about her feelings. The therapist did NOT tell her to confess to baby murders in those notes. What she wrote in those notes was up to her.

    I don’t know what nonsense you’ve come up with around desaturating infants, but, no, you don’t just stand there.

    You ignored other points I had noted. There was the time the mother of Baby E described hearing her infant scream, and walking in to find him with blood around his mouth and Letby in the room. Baby E later died. There is the other evidence that the deaths were unexpected and unnatural. There is the association between these deaths and Letby being on duty. And so on.
    The association between the deaths and Letby being on duty is because the prosecution dropped deaths when Letby was not on duty. They drew the target around the holes, as it were.

    Rather than bricks in the wall of evidence, the case seems to be made of Swiss cheese after statisticians have demolished the statistical case and the international Shoo Lee commission did the same for the medical case. It is not even clear there were any excess deaths at all compared to similar trusts.
    While I don't know the details, that isn't necessarily the smoking gun you think it is.

    It is possible (and again, I don't know the details, so I am just creating a theory here), that she was on duty half the time, and there were 20 deaths when she was on duty, and 2 when she was not.

    The question -from a statistical point of view- is what would be the normal number of deaths? It is possible that you would expect 2-4 deaths in the period, and therefore when she was not on duty there were a normal number, and when she was, there was an abnormal.

    In which case, excluding the deaths from the case isn't particular evidence of anything.

    A much bigger issue to me is that statistical evidence on its own should not be enough to convict. Someone is going to win the lottery every week, even if the odds are 16 million to 1 against. That doesn't make them a cheat, that makes them the one person who - ah hem - won.
    This was part of the RSS report iirc. First, were there any excess deaths at all, or was the prosecution using the wrong comparator? Second (as you say) clusters can be due to natural variation. Someone has to win the race, someone has to come last.

    Now I am no expert. All I am saying is that
    experts in statistics have demolished the
    prosecution's statistical case, and medical
    experts have demolished the medical case.
    What we now need is for the CCRC to pull
    its finger out and not get stuck on legalisticarguments about whether
    theseexperts should have had crystal balls
    so they could have examined the trial before
    it took place.
    You may have replied on the previous post but I haven’t checked

    Your argument boils down to one of the most highly rated and experienced criminal QCs being crap at his job

    If the statistical and medical evidence has been “demolished” why didn’t he make that case in the court?

    Aiui Ben Myers KC is Letby's barrister now but not at the original trial so any argument based on what he might have done then is moot. In any case, the statistical and medical experts had not weighed in on the original evidence until it had been presented at the trial. How could they? Crystal balls? Ouija boards?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,127

    Nigelb said:


    The first sign trump is really serious about invading Canada will be a complete US military pull out from Europe, including the UK. They have a huge amount of valuable assets here, all of which would be seized immediately the US moved on Canada. So those aircraft will be long gone before war happens.

    Isn’t something along those lines already planned ?
    Only some eastern European countries, at least so far. There has been nothing announced about US bases in the UK, for example, and no current evidence of any withdrawal of forces.

    If they start pulling aircraft and personnel out of the UK, that's a huge warning sign the US is going to do something they know will piss the British government off so much they'd have no hesitation shutting those bases down and grabbing any hardware still present.
    Can you really see any European countries effectively attacking American bases?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,830
    edited March 9
    And a pause before this year's best of show is announced....

    The Reserve is the tibetan mastiff, first time for the breed in best of show

    The winner is....the Whippet, from Italy

    Another Italian winner, and another whippet.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,529

    carnforth said:

    "A senior lawyer appointed by Reform UK to investigate allegations against suspended MP Rupert Lowe and his team has denied making comments he has attributed to her."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7430zw4zqyo

    Delicious.

    The state of this country. We can't even organise a proper right-wing populist party.

    Germany, France, Italy, even the US ffs - they can all manage it but not the UK.

    (Makes you proud to be British tbh.)
    I've occasionally argued that there'd never be a successful right-wing populist movement in Britain because we vehemently despise each other.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,982
    edited March 9
    Boom!!!

    That whippet is just gorgeous. Stood out the moment I saw it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,894
    edited March 9
    Nice to know it isn't just me who's noticed this.

    "I saw 62 fare dodgers in 90 minutes on the Tube. It’s everywhere" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/london/article/fare-dodging-london-transport-underground-tube-p39vrzv5g
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,288
    edited March 9
    TimS said:

    America (the people that is) remains totally unbothered by the malevolent behaviour of its president.

    Time to give up hoping that the voters will save the USA from itself. Like the Russians, they’re cheering it along.

    Actually there is a growing resistance to the Russian mafia now in charge.

    If Europe defeats Russia in Ukraine, the free Americans will deal with the MAGA Quislings.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,080

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,127
    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1898839071050403877

    I have been informed by a reliable source that 'senior Reform figures' have been briefing journalists that I have dementia.

    In politics, there is rough and tumble. I get that.

    But this is sick.

    What they are doing to me is disgusting
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641

    Trump on the self sacrifice of Elon Musk:

    https://x.com/teslaownerssv/status/1898754966912892941

    “Elon Musk has done a great job, but he’s paying a price for it. He didn’t have to do this. He actually is a real patriot”

    He didn’t have to poke his nose into Britain or Germany, does that mean he’s a patriotic Brit and German also?
    On topic – it was Elon Musk who two months ago fomented Reform's split when he abruptly switched his favour from Nigel Farage to Rupert Lowe.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,652

    rcs1000 said:

    Phil said:

    Nurses take notes home all the time. They shouldn’t, but they do. (I bet intensive care nurses stopped taking notes home after the Letby case though, once they realised it could be used against them.) The notes to herself about guilt are ones the therapist appointed to her by her employer told her to make apparently.

    According to sources I’ve seen, it was standard practice in the neonatal department to not “rush to intervene” with a crashing baby (in case you made things worse presumably) but to stand by at first, so that doesn’t really count either.

    This is the thing with the Letby case, it’s a pile of suspicious sounding stories that sound like clear evidence of her guilt /if/ you think she’s already guilty. If not? They evaporate into thin air.

    The only hard evidence is the insulin poisoning & if that fails, it seems to me that everything else fails with it.

    Nurses don’t usually take home the notes of babies that died and stash them under the bed and then lie about not being able to dispose of them.

    A therapist told her to write about her feelings. The therapist did NOT tell her to confess to baby murders in those notes. What she wrote in those notes was up to her.

    I don’t know what nonsense you’ve come up with around desaturating infants, but, no, you don’t just stand there.

    You ignored other points I had noted. There was the time the mother of Baby E described hearing her infant scream, and walking in to find him with blood around his mouth and Letby in the room. Baby E later died. There is the other evidence that the deaths were unexpected and unnatural. There is the association between these deaths and Letby being on duty. And so on.
    The association between the deaths and Letby being on duty is because the prosecution dropped deaths when Letby was not on duty. They drew the target around the holes, as it were.

    Rather than bricks in the wall of evidence, the case seems to be made of Swiss cheese after statisticians have demolished the statistical case and the international Shoo Lee commission did the same for the medical case. It is not even clear there were any excess deaths at all compared to similar trusts.
    While I don't know the details, that isn't necessarily the smoking gun you think it is.

    It is possible (and again, I don't know the details, so I am just creating a theory here), that she was on duty half the time, and there were 20 deaths when she was on duty, and 2 when she was not.

    The question -from a statistical point of view- is what would be the normal number of deaths? It is possible that you would expect 2-4 deaths in the period, and therefore when she was not on duty there were a normal number, and when she was, there was an abnormal.

    In which case, excluding the deaths from the case isn't particular evidence of anything.

    A much bigger issue to me is that statistical evidence on its own should not be enough to convict. Someone is going to win the lottery every week, even if the odds are 16 million to 1 against. That doesn't make them a cheat, that makes them the one person who - ah hem - won.
    This was part of the RSS report iirc. First, were there any excess deaths at all, or was the prosecution using the wrong comparator? Second (as you say) clusters can be due to natural variation. Someone has to win the race, someone has to come last.

    Now I am no expert. All I am saying is that
    experts in statistics have demolished the
    prosecution's statistical case, and medical
    experts have demolished the medical case.
    What we now need is for the CCRC to pull
    its finger out and not get stuck on legalisticarguments about whether
    theseexperts should have had crystal balls
    so they could have examined the trial before
    it took place.
    You may have replied on the previous post but I haven’t checked

    Your argument boils down to one of the most highly rated and experienced criminal QCs being crap at his job

    If the statistical and medical evidence has been “demolished” why didn’t he make that case in the court?

    Aiui Ben Myers KC is Letby's barrister now but not at the original trial so any argument based on what he might have done then is moot. In any case, the statistical and medical experts had not weighed in on the original evidence until it had been presented at the trial. How could they? Crystal balls? Ouija boards?
    Ben Myers was defence counsel in both trials and both appeals. Letby has now engagaed other lawyers to pursue the matter; in her circumstances that is what you do so that, having exhausted the normal processes you can now criticise your previous lawyers. She has a whole life tariff, so nothing to lose.

    SFAICS she and the new lawyers have made no criticism of Myers and team, and she has not, SFAICS, released the expert evidence available to the defence which was not called. So I think we should wait and see, and meanwhile respect the jury verdicts.
  • Honestly, the thing about momentum is that when you lose it, it's very hard to get it back again.

    I feel like Reform has now reached the point where it's kind of whimpering out.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    We know for a fact that Trump is Empire Building. Is aggressively going at the Danes. Is calling Canada the 51st State at every opportunity. So its not like they aren't openly telling us that they want to annex both - they are.

    The challenge for MAGA is that whilst politically they are bending the system to their will, there's a world of difference between that and being able to order US forces to war with neighbouring allies.

    But they need a way to remove the mid-term elections, so...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    Absolutely.

    (Although... what about my iPhone, Macbook?)

    Latest car not to buy under any circumstances:


    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    6h
    First of the new Model Y design delivered from our US factories!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,103

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    Torch maybe

    https://x.com/abrosnikoff/status/1898664508991947202?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    Is there some kind of a Tesla boycott in France? I ask because when I was walking past one today an American who I know by sight said 'shouldn't we spray it?' and
    laughed as I did and then we walked on. I thought it was just a crack at Musk. Has there been talk of something to do with Teslas in France? They're very popular here for cabs
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651

    Robert Reich
    @RBReich
    ·
    4m
    The Trump-Musk Regime is reportedly planning to cut as much as 50% of the IRS workforce.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,897

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    They’ll do as they’re told
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Well, I've been jokingnotjoking about Gilead for a while. America and Canada were enemies in that as well.

    If - and it remains a big if - America has joined the Warsaw Pact, the question isn't what do we do when the US starts hustling NATO countries, its how we protect ourselves against US nuclear threats.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,820
    Under what pretext what the USA invade Canada ?

    I know things are crazy in the USA at the moment but even I can’t imagine that happening .
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,425


    Robert Reich
    @RBReich
    ·
    4m
    The Trump-Musk Regime is reportedly planning to cut as much as 50% of the IRS workforce.

    That’s right, cut the people who bring in money.

    This is one area of public spending where there is a shed load of global research and evidence for the impact of resourcing on revenue. State capacity is a thing.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,279
    Andy_JS said:

    Nice to know it isn't just me who's noticed this.

    "I saw 62 fare dodgers in 90 minutes on the Tube. It’s everywhere" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/london/article/fare-dodging-london-transport-underground-tube-p39vrzv5g

    It isn't just you - fare evasion is endemic at East Ham.

    Most of the fare evaders I see are young men of all races, colours and creeds. It's guesstimated by Transport for London one journey in six is fraudulent. Given their budgetary issues, I suspect TfL has no money to recruit more revenue inspectors so they are happy to see the fare income go.

    Having seen in Singapore zero fare evasion, I can only conclude it's a cultural thing. Yes, there may be some who literally cannot afford the fares but have to get to work somehow but I suspect the majority who evade just don't want to spend the money.

    When the revenue inspection teams come to East Ham they usually get a good crop of those trying to avoid paying but even then you see people trying to tailgate to get through the barriers.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,894

    Honestly, the thing about momentum is that when you lose it, it's very hard to get it back again.

    I feel like Reform has now reached the point where it's kind of whimpering out.

    Do you really expect their support to go down as a result of this?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651
    There's always humour. Since the jesters were allowed to poke fun at the King...



    Dean Blundell🇨🇦
    @ItsDeanBlundell
    Mike Myers doing Elon really pisses off Elon…

    https://x.com/ItsDeanBlundell/status/1898699593308688628
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,425

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Well, I've been jokingnotjoking about Gilead for a while. America and Canada were enemies in that as well.

    If - and it remains a big if - America has joined the Warsaw Pact, the question isn't what do we do when the US starts hustling NATO countries, its how we protect ourselves against US nuclear threats.
    The difference is there’s a concerted US opposition to Gilead in the handmaid’s tale. Whereas the supposed opposition to Trump is asleep at the wheel.

    Still, maybe there’s hope. Boris had 4 months of honeymoon after 2019 before we were into Barnard Castle, it was a few months again before Peppa Pig, and the denouement only finally came 3 years in.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 4,663
    edited March 9
    Andy_JS said:

    Honestly, the thing about momentum is that when you lose it, it's very hard to get it back again.

    I feel like Reform has now reached the point where it's kind of whimpering out.

    Do you really expect their support to go down as a result of this?
    Do you ever tire of making every post a question?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641


    Robert Reich
    @RBReich
    ·
    4m
    The Trump-Musk Regime is reportedly planning to cut as much as 50% of the IRS workforce.

    The Trump-Musk regime is planning to cut the 50 per cent that investigates billionaires like Trump and Musk, one suspects.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,127
    TimS said:

    Still, maybe there’s hope. Boris had 4 months of honeymoon after 2019 before we were into Barnard Castle, it was a few months again before Peppa Pig, and the denouement only finally came 3 years in.

    Yes, we can hope for [checks notes] another global pandemic...
  • glwglw Posts: 10,253

    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.

    Either the use of the Insurrection Act or military action against Canada. If the military don't act then they likely never will and the US as we have always known it will have come to an end.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651
    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651
    nico67 said:

    Under what pretext what the USA invade Canada ?

    I know things are crazy in the USA at the moment but even I can’t imagine that happening .

    You need to catch up.

    Trump wants the border redrawn.

    He wants more of the great lakes water.

    He wants parts of Ontario.

    When he gets told to do one by the mounties, how will he respond?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,253
    nico67 said:

    Under what pretext what the USA invade Canada ?

    I know things are crazy in the USA at the moment but even I can’t imagine that happening .

    Trump has apparently said to Trudeau that treaties that govern the boundaries and rivers between Canada and the US are not valid. So that would be the dispute that would seem to be the trigger.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,451

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    Absolutely.

    (Although... what about my iPhone, Macbook?)
    The issue is substitution.

    EVs are mass market.

    There is no alternative to Starlink for many applications - kinda. The bandwidth and latency are vastly poorer and the user cost much higher.

    Europe needs to get with he program and sort out its own mega constellation - for defence purposes, if nothing else. OneWeb is a start, but isn’t that.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,810
    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    Under what pretext what the USA invade Canada ?

    I know things are crazy in the USA at the moment but even I can’t imagine that happening .

    Trump has apparently said to Trudeau that treaties that govern the boundaries and rivers between Canada and the US are not valid. So that would be the dispute that would seem to be the trigger.
    And Trudeau told him to fuck off.
    It's only a matter of time before someone does it publicly.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651
    dixiedean said:

    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    Under what pretext what the USA invade Canada ?

    I know things are crazy in the USA at the moment but even I can’t imagine that happening .

    Trump has apparently said to Trudeau that treaties that govern the boundaries and rivers between Canada and the US are not valid. So that would be the dispute that would seem to be the trigger.
    And Trudeau told him to fuck off.
    It's only a matter of time before someone does it publicly.
    https://x.com/Tablesalt13/status/1898509796069749100
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
    There's been discussion for days on social media about how independent our nukes are. So yeh we are in hock to the USA.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,810

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
    That's why we need to appoint a new 007 without delay.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651
    Musk not happy that the Putin-lover candidate in the Romanian election has been banned.

    Can't think why.
  • If Trump invades Canada, isn't that NATO declaring war...on itself?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,283

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
    Perhaps a revival of the Greenham Common movement.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,425

    If Trump invades Canada, isn't that NATO declaring war...on itself?

    Been a live issue with Turkey and Greece for decades.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651

    If Trump invades Canada, isn't that NATO declaring war...on itself?

    Not really as the US effectively left NATO this week.

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,360
    edited March 9
    New Canadian Prime minister about to be announced. The all important "land acknowledgment" has been said. So that'll win over conservatives.

    Live:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cg4k2l204zqt
  • Nigelb said:


    The first sign trump is really serious about invading Canada will be a complete US military pull out from Europe, including the UK. They have a huge amount of valuable assets here, all of which would be seized immediately the US moved on Canada. So those aircraft will be long gone before war happens.

    Isn’t something along those lines already planned ?
    Only some eastern European countries, at least so far. There has been nothing announced about US bases in the UK, for example, and no current evidence of any withdrawal of forces.

    If they start pulling aircraft and personnel out of the UK, that's a huge warning sign the US is going to do something they know will piss the British government off so much they'd have no hesitation shutting those bases down and grabbing any hardware still present.
    Can you really see any European countries effectively attacking American bases?
    If the US has just launched a sneak attack on a NATO member? Yes, absolutely. Although in most cases it wouldn't come to that. The first approach is likely to be a variant of "your people are persona no grata here now, we have planes waiting to take them to a neutral country. And leave your stuff."

    All but the most feeble country is likely to be able to confront a US base with enough force to convince them to get their people on that plane. This is Europe, not Afghanistan. The bases are not intended or expected to withstand a direct assault, and their commanders will be very aware of that fact. If the host country has a dozen tanks parked at the gate resistance would be very unwise.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,850
    edited March 9
    carnforth said:

    New Canadian Prime minister about to be announced. The all important "land acknowledgment" has been said. So that'll win over conservatives.

    Live:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cg4k2l204zqt

    Does Trump just seamlessly move to calling the new PM "Governor" too?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,292

    Trump on the self sacrifice of Elon Musk:

    https://x.com/teslaownerssv/status/1898754966912892941

    “Elon Musk has done a great job, but he’s paying a price for it. He didn’t have to do this. He actually is a real patriot”

    Pol Pot didn't have to do it.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
    There's been discussion for days on social media about how independent our nukes are. So yeh we are in hock to the USA.
    Can we get France to build some SLBMs which would fit both our boomer's launch tubes and our warhead bus?

    As I understand it we design and build our own warheads - its just the Trident missiles which the Americans own.

    Or am I being hopelessly naive and ill-informed?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,760
    glw said:

    nico67 said:

    Under what pretext what the USA invade Canada ?

    I know things are crazy in the USA at the moment but even I can’t imagine that happening .

    Trump has apparently said to Trudeau that treaties that govern the boundaries and rivers between Canada and the US are not valid. So that would be the dispute that would seem to be the trigger.
    As our son and Canadian daughter in law (of Ukrainian descent) live in Vancouver just 32 miles from the US border they could be on the front line and in our conversations with them they are genuinely surprised and frightened by Trump and his bullies

    Our daughter in law has just text to say they expect Carney to win in the next few minutes
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,695
    stodge said:

    @stodge you’re clearly far too old as you have missed my own pun.

    Also, did you just assume my gender? :blush:

    Yes and yes for which I apologise - I shall think of you henceforward as a Horse with No Name.
    This is PB, so a random selection has a chance of being about 94% bloke.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,451

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
    There's been discussion for days on social media about how independent our nukes are. So yeh we are in hock to the USA.
    Can we get France to build some SLBMs which would fit both our boomer's launch tubes and our warhead bus?

    As I understand it we design and build our own warheads - its just the Trident missiles which the Americans own.

    Or am I being hopelessly naive and ill-informed?
    Get a quote from the South Koreans - they are currently in a design/build cycle for SLBMs.

    Unlike the French, they would probably accept building a manufacturing facility in the U.K.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,760

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
    There's been discussion for days on social media about how independent our nukes are. So yeh we are in hock to the USA.
    Can we get France to build some SLBMs which would fit both our boomer's launch tubes and our warhead bus?

    As I understand it we design and build our own warheads - its just the Trident missiles which the Americans own.

    Or am I being hopelessly naive and ill-informed?
    I do wonder how many of us pinch ourselves at the reality of what is happening caused by Trump and expect to wake up from a terrible dream relieved it was only a dream, but this time it is not

    And on Musk, even if this collapses Tesla it is only petty cash to him
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,425

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
    There's been discussion for days on social media about how independent our nukes are. So yeh we are in hock to the USA.
    Can we get France to build some SLBMs which would fit both our boomer's launch tubes and our warhead bus?

    As I understand it we design and build our own warheads - its just the Trident missiles which the Americans own.

    Or am I being hopelessly naive and ill-informed?
    Get a quote from the South Koreans - they are currently in a design/build cycle for SLBMs.

    Unlike the French, they would probably accept building a manufacturing facility in the U.K.
    We’re overdue a big Anglo-French engineering project after the demise of Concorde and the completion of the Chunnel.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,695

    Nigelb said:


    The first sign trump is really serious about invading Canada will be a complete US military pull out from Europe, including the UK. They have a huge amount of valuable assets here, all of which would be seized immediately the US moved on Canada. So those aircraft will be long gone before war happens.

    Isn’t something along those lines already planned ?
    Only some eastern European countries, at least so far. There has been nothing announced about US bases in the UK, for example, and no current evidence of any withdrawal of forces.

    If they start pulling aircraft and personnel out of the UK, that's a huge warning sign the US is going to do something they know will piss the British government off so much they'd have no hesitation shutting those bases down and grabbing any hardware still present.
    Can you really see any European countries effectively attacking American bases?
    If the US has just launched a sneak attack on a NATO member? Yes, absolutely. Although in most cases it wouldn't come to that. The first approach is likely to be a variant of "your people are persona no grata here now, we have planes waiting to take them to a neutral country. And leave your stuff."

    All but the most feeble country is likely to be able to confront a US base with enough force to convince them to get their people on that plane. This is Europe, not Afghanistan. The bases are not intended or expected to withstand a direct assault, and their commanders will be very aware of that fact. If the host country has a dozen tanks parked at the gate resistance would be very unwise.
    One I was musing on - can host countries issue a blanket "no fly" order on USA military aircraft in their country?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651
    This.

    The party of Ronald fucking Reagan no less.



    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    6h
    The lack of Republican push back as the USA is helping Russians kill Ukrainians because of the conscious choices of a Republican president is stunning.

    https://x.com/PhillipsPOBrien
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
    There's been discussion for days on social media about how independent our nukes are. So yeh we are in hock to the USA.
    Can we get France to build some SLBMs which would fit both our boomer's launch tubes and our warhead bus?

    As I understand it we design and build our own warheads - its just the Trident missiles which the Americans own.

    Or am I being hopelessly naive and ill-informed?
    I do wonder how many of us pinch ourselves at the reality of what is happening caused by Trump and expect to wake up from a terrible dream relieved it was only a dream, but this time it is not

    And on Musk, even if this collapses Tesla it is only petty cash to him
    Its very perplexing. I genuinely love my Tesla - its a special car that still puts a grin on my face. Thanks to being able to monetise it on YouTube I not only earn the cash to pay for the thing, I've had free supercharging for the last 18 months and will keep it for another 3 years.

    And Starlink? Transformed my ability to work. Didn't have reliable interweb speeds to be able to dial into client meetings reliably. As well as needing fast up/down speeds for YouTube.

    So if we get to the point where Musk switches Tesla / SpaceX off I'm stuck not only with a big financial hole, I go back to the dark ages. Which would be bad.

    I hope that the expected Musk / Trump blowup happens soon.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651
    Syria.

    Not now!!! FFS.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,695
    edited March 9

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
    There's been discussion for days on social media about how independent our nukes are. So yeh we are in hock to the USA.
    Can we get France to build some SLBMs which would fit both our boomer's launch tubes and our warhead bus?

    As I understand it we design and build our own warheads - its just the Trident missiles which the Americans own.

    Or am I being hopelessly naive and ill-informed?
    I do wonder how many of us pinch ourselves at the reality of what is happening caused by Trump and expect to wake up from a terrible dream relieved it was only a dream, but this time it is not

    And on Musk, even if this collapses Tesla it is only petty cash to him
    According to Fortune for March, his Tesla shares this month represent just under $200 billion of his $360 billion fortune, so are most of it. That is after they lost $62 billion in value in February.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbeswealthteam/article/the-top-ten-richest-people-in-the-world/

    Admittedly, $160+ billion is still quite a lot.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505

    This.

    The party of Ronald fucking Reagan no less.



    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    6h
    The lack of Republican push back as the USA is helping Russians kill Ukrainians because of the conscious choices of a Republican president is stunning.

    https://x.com/PhillipsPOBrien

    Here's the problem. In MAGA the enemy isn't Russia. Its liberals. The cultural enemy isn't the autocrat in Moscow trying to impose Russian imperialism. Its Americans who think that woke trans feminists are ok.

    So yes, they're supporting Russia because Russia has already defeated liberalism.
  • @RochdalePioneers how do you use Starlink for meetings? The latency is horrible.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,127

    Syria.

    Not now!!! FFS.

    "Oi, Syria, no!!!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82qGJRmR5Yo
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,505

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
    There's been discussion for days on social media about how independent our nukes are. So yeh we are in hock to the USA.
    Can we get France to build some SLBMs which would fit both our boomer's launch tubes and our warhead bus?

    As I understand it we design and build our own warheads - its just the Trident missiles which the Americans own.

    Or am I being hopelessly naive and ill-informed?
    The current French design is 2 inches in diameter larger than Trident. So they probably won‘t fit in the launch tubes of our subs.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,451
    a
    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:


    The first sign trump is really serious about invading Canada will be a complete US military pull out from Europe, including the UK. They have a huge amount of valuable assets here, all of which would be seized immediately the US moved on Canada. So those aircraft will be long gone before war happens.

    Isn’t something along those lines already planned ?
    Only some eastern European countries, at least so far. There has been nothing announced about US bases in the UK, for example, and no current evidence of any withdrawal of forces.

    If they start pulling aircraft and personnel out of the UK, that's a huge warning sign the US is going to do something they know will piss the British government off so much they'd have no hesitation shutting those bases down and grabbing any hardware still present.
    Can you really see any European countries effectively attacking American bases?
    If the US has just launched a sneak attack on a NATO member? Yes, absolutely. Although in most cases it wouldn't come to that. The first approach is likely to be a variant of "your people are persona no grata here now, we have planes waiting to take them to a neutral country. And leave your stuff."

    All but the most feeble country is likely to be able to confront a US base with enough force to convince them to get their people on that plane. This is Europe, not Afghanistan. The bases are not intended or expected to withstand a direct assault, and their commanders will be very aware of that fact. If the host country has a dozen tanks parked at the gate resistance would be very unwise.
    One I was musing on - can host countries issue a blanket "no fly" order on USA military aircraft in their country?
    Legally, yes.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651

    This.

    The party of Ronald fucking Reagan no less.



    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    6h
    The lack of Republican push back as the USA is helping Russians kill Ukrainians because of the conscious choices of a Republican president is stunning.

    https://x.com/PhillipsPOBrien

    Here's the problem. In MAGA the enemy isn't Russia. Its liberals. The cultural enemy isn't the autocrat in Moscow trying to impose Russian imperialism. Its Americans who think that woke trans feminists are ok.

    So yes, they're supporting Russia because Russia has already defeated liberalism.
    Yeh. MAGA thinkers, if there is such a thing, think that Russia is a society to emulate because the gays are beaten and any women with ideas about the patriarchy are put down and journalists who deal in the truth are evil and anyone who thinks the last election was rigged is sent to a prison where the guards kills you.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,760

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
    There's been discussion for days on social media about how independent our nukes are. So yeh we are in hock to the USA.
    Can we get France to build some SLBMs which would fit both our boomer's launch tubes and our warhead bus?

    As I understand it we design and build our own warheads - its just the Trident missiles which the Americans own.

    Or am I being hopelessly naive and ill-informed?
    I do wonder how many of us pinch ourselves at the reality of what is happening caused by Trump and expect to wake up from a terrible dream relieved it was only a dream, but this time it is not

    And on Musk, even if this collapses Tesla it is only petty cash to him
    Its very perplexing. I genuinely love my Tesla - its a special car that still puts a grin on my face. Thanks to being able to monetise it on YouTube I not only earn the cash to pay for the thing, I've had free supercharging for the last 18 months and will keep it for another 3 years.

    And Starlink? Transformed my ability to work. Didn't have reliable interweb speeds to be able to dial into client meetings reliably. As well as needing fast up/down speeds for YouTube.

    So if we get to the point where Musk switches Tesla / SpaceX off I'm stuck not only with a big financial hole, I go back to the dark ages. Which would be bad.

    I hope that the expected Musk / Trump blowup happens soon.
    I made a rather unkind and unnecessary comment about your Tesla ownership a few days ago, which I later apologised for and in case you missed the apology I will repeat it again directly to you - I apologise

    Sometimes we say unkind things and sometimes it is good to say sorry

    I hope you continue to enjoy your Tesla and your activities on YouTube, as there are many thousands of genuine Tesla owners who should be respected as it is not their fault Musk has acted so disgracefully
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,127

    This.

    The party of Ronald fucking Reagan no less.



    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    6h
    The lack of Republican push back as the USA is helping Russians kill Ukrainians because of the conscious choices of a Republican president is stunning.

    https://x.com/PhillipsPOBrien

    Here's the problem. In MAGA the enemy isn't Russia. Its liberals. The cultural enemy isn't the autocrat in Moscow trying to impose Russian imperialism. Its Americans who think that woke trans feminists are ok.

    So yes, they're supporting Russia because Russia has already defeated liberalism.
    Which is why in culture war terms, the best tactic would not be to compare Putin with Hitler, but to paint him as a woke Eurasianist.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505

    @RochdalePioneers how do you use Starlink for meetings? The latency is horrible.

    *runs quick speed test* 22ms? Horrible?
  • @RochdalePioneers how do you use Starlink for meetings? The latency is horrible.

    *runs quick speed test* 22ms? Horrible?
    Not a chance that will be consistently guaranteed.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,529

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
    There's been discussion for days on social media about how independent our nukes are. So yeh we are in hock to the USA.
    Can we get France to build some SLBMs which would fit both our boomer's launch tubes and our warhead bus?

    As I understand it we design and build our own warheads - its just the Trident missiles which the Americans own.

    Or am I being hopelessly naive and ill-informed?
    I do wonder how many of us pinch ourselves at the reality of what is happening caused by Trump and expect to wake up from a terrible dream relieved it was only a dream, but this time it is not

    And on Musk, even if this collapses Tesla it is only petty cash to him
    Its very perplexing. I genuinely love my Tesla - its a special car that still puts a grin on my face. Thanks to being able to monetise it on YouTube I not only earn the cash to pay for the thing, I've had free supercharging for the last 18 months and will keep it for another 3 years.

    And Starlink? Transformed my ability to work. Didn't have reliable interweb speeds to be able to dial into client meetings reliably. As well as needing fast up/down speeds for YouTube.

    So if we get to the point where Musk switches Tesla / SpaceX off I'm stuck not only with a big financial hole, I go back to the dark ages. Which would be bad.

    I hope that the expected Musk / Trump blowup happens soon.
    I made a rather unkind and unnecessary comment about your Tesla ownership a few days ago, which I later apologised for and in case you missed the apology I will repeat it again directly to you - I apologise

    Sometimes we say unkind things and sometimes it is good to say sorry

    I hope you continue to enjoy your Tesla and your activities on YouTube, as there are many thousands of genuine Tesla owners who should be respected as it is not their fault Musk has acted so disgracefully
    Volkswagen seem to have overcome their dubious political background without much difficulty.

    Ein Volk, ein Wagen... etc
  • MattW said:

    One I was musing on - can host countries issue a blanket "no fly" order on USA military aircraft in their country?

    Yes, no issue with that. Just have ATC deny them clearance. At that point they are legally not allowed to either take off or enter the airspace of that country from outside.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,760

    MattW said:

    One I was musing on - can host countries issue a blanket "no fly" order on USA military aircraft in their country?

    Yes, no issue with that. Just have ATC deny them clearance. At that point they are legally not allowed to either take off or enter the airspace of that country from outside.
    And if they ignore it ??

    With Trump who knows ?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    Question - how would we be in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure if they were invading our NATO ally and Commonwealth brother?

    I support Starmer doing what he can to keep Trump on board planet sanity. But I also anticipate that they are scenario planning for America being our enemy. We *are* in hock. At the moment. And I asked earlier how we would (as an example) ask the USAF to leave Lakenheath because they're now providing escort services to Russian bombers doing incursions into our airspace?
    There's been discussion for days on social media about how independent our nukes are. So yeh we are in hock to the USA.
    Can we get France to build some SLBMs which would fit both our boomer's launch tubes and our warhead bus?

    As I understand it we design and build our own warheads - its just the Trident missiles which the Americans own.

    Or am I being hopelessly naive and ill-informed?
    I do wonder how many of us pinch ourselves at the reality of what is happening caused by Trump and expect to wake up from a terrible dream relieved it was only a dream, but this time it is not

    And on Musk, even if this collapses Tesla it is only petty cash to him
    Its very perplexing. I genuinely love my Tesla - its a special car that still puts a grin on my face. Thanks to being able to monetise it on YouTube I not only earn the cash to pay for the thing, I've had free supercharging for the last 18 months and will keep it for another 3 years.

    And Starlink? Transformed my ability to work. Didn't have reliable interweb speeds to be able to dial into client meetings reliably. As well as needing fast up/down speeds for YouTube.

    So if we get to the point where Musk switches Tesla / SpaceX off I'm stuck not only with a big financial hole, I go back to the dark ages. Which would be bad.

    I hope that the expected Musk / Trump blowup happens soon.
    I made a rather unkind and unnecessary comment about your Tesla ownership a few days ago, which I later apologised for and in case you missed the apology I will repeat it again directly to you - I apologise

    Sometimes we say unkind things and sometimes it is good to say sorry

    I hope you continue to enjoy your Tesla and your activities on YouTube, as there are many thousands of genuine Tesla owners who should be respected as it is not their fault Musk has acted so disgracefully
    Didn't see your comment
    Didn't see your apology for the comment
    Apology accepted with a grin - don't worry about it

    I was filming yesterday at a Polestar event. Took out a Polestar 4 (very similar to my Model Y) and then a Polestar 3 (big SUV thing). I loved my Volvo S90 and really like Polestar. But the 4 was poor in a number of ways, and the 3 was utterly glorious but costs One Million Dollars.

    There's a reason why the car I drive was the best selling car globally for the last 2 years - and why sales remain buoyant in the UK. They're great cars. The CEO is a dick. But then again the guy who owns Polestar is directly involved with the Chinese government.

    Does driving a Polestar mean that you are supporting the Chinese suppression of various minorities? What about me typing this on my Chinese-made Macbook?

    This is why I'm taking the Musk hate as a moral panic bubble. What he is doing is not what my car represents. Just as my computer doesn't mean I have Uighur blood on my hands...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,695
    nico67 said:

    Under what pretext what the USA invade Canada ?

    I know things are crazy in the USA at the moment but even I can’t imagine that happening .

    Imo using similar pretexts as those they have used every time they have used when doing similar invasions previously.

    It will be something around needing to protect their northern front, or securing access to resources, or protecting infrastructure to Alaska, or pretending that Canada did hostile military action (as the Mexican-American War), or anything else.

    Trump's associates believe in power, not law, and arguably dictatorship not democracy - and they have launched a major attack on international law already.
  • I don't doubt Tesla makes good cars, when Elon is kept away from them.

    But their recent outings have been terrible. Mostly because he has decided to get involved.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505

    @RochdalePioneers how do you use Starlink for meetings? The latency is horrible.

    *runs quick speed test* 22ms? Horrible?
    Not a chance that will be consistently guaranteed.
    I could get consistently guaranteed speeds. A direct fibre line to the exchange for a fortune per month.

    In the real world? Starlink is absolutely bloody brilliant. It absolutely has slow spots - occasionally. 5G is intermittent at best, and the Fibre speeds were 40MB down at the optimistic top end and 15MB in regular usage.

    Latency simply is not an issue. There Are No Other Options than Starlink. And Starlink is Good.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,044
    Andy_JS said:

    Honestly, the thing about momentum is that when you lose it, it's very hard to get it back again.

    I feel like Reform has now reached the point where it's kind of whimpering out.

    Do you really expect their support to go down as a result of this?
    Depends what Lowe does next.

    If he goes off and heads a "true believer" Real Reform, that's a challenge for Faragist Pragmatic Reform. There isn't really space for two antagonistic parties on the right (Ref + Con), let alone three.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,695

    nico67 said:

    Under what pretext what the USA invade Canada ?

    I know things are crazy in the USA at the moment but even I can’t imagine that happening .

    You need to catch up.

    Trump wants the border redrawn.

    He wants more of the great lakes water.

    He wants parts of Ontario.

    When he gets told to do one by the mounties, how will he respond?
    To borrow the UVDL term, that I think depends on whether Canada is a steel porcupine, or not.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,651

    Andy_JS said:

    Honestly, the thing about momentum is that when you lose it, it's very hard to get it back again.

    I feel like Reform has now reached the point where it's kind of whimpering out.

    Do you really expect their support to go down as a result of this?
    Depends what Lowe does next.

    If he goes off and heads a "true believer" Real Reform, that's a challenge for Faragist Pragmatic Reform. There isn't really space for two antagonistic parties on the right (Ref + Con), let alone three.
    It is hard to keep up.
  • MattW said:

    One I was musing on - can host countries issue a blanket "no fly" order on USA military aircraft in their country?

    Yes, no issue with that. Just have ATC deny them clearance. At that point they are legally not allowed to either take off or enter the airspace of that country from outside.
    And if they ignore it ??

    With Trump who knows ?
    Same procedure as with civil aircraft. If they violate ATC instructions scramble QRA fighters to intercept and order them to land at the nearest airport. Should they ignore that instruction a few times they'll be shot down.

    If the aim of denying clearance is to stop aircraft taking off and leaving it's probably best to get ahead of the game and punch a few holes in the runway to keep them grounded. Much less messy that way.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,220

    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    The crisis is that it is possible that the prime minister would have to tell the King that we can't push too hard on Canada's side because we are so in hock to the US for our defence infrastructure and then there's the "special relationship" to consider.

    By which point Starmer Labour would be polling 5th below the LDs and Greens as well as the Tories and Reform given the number of Trump loving social democrats can be counted on one hand, so the King could ignore him anyway
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505

    I don't doubt Tesla makes good cars, when Elon is kept away from them.

    But their recent outings have been terrible. Mostly because he has decided to get involved.

    What recent outings? You mean Cybertruck? I don't expect it will sell in number. But the new technology? Will be on everything in a few years because it helps manufacturers. 48v electrical system plus LAN connections means a huge reduction in wiring.

    12v is an anachronism which simply can't provide enough juice to power many modern car systems. My Volvo had two 12 volt batteries and it isn't alone. 12v is it because cars are 12v. But what if we set the voltage so that its fit for purpose rather than because its extant? That is what Cybertruck will give to the industry.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,760

    MattW said:

    One I was musing on - can host countries issue a blanket "no fly" order on USA military aircraft in their country?

    Yes, no issue with that. Just have ATC deny them clearance. At that point they are legally not allowed to either take off or enter the airspace of that country from outside.
    And if they ignore it ??

    With Trump who knows ?
    Same procedure as with civil aircraft. If they violate ATC instructions scramble QRA fighters to intercept and order them to land at the nearest airport. Should they ignore that instruction a few times they'll be shot down.

    If the aim of denying clearance is to stop aircraft taking off and leaving it's probably best to get ahead of the game and punch a few holes in the runway to keep them grounded. Much less messy that way.
    Exactly, so in those circumstances you are saying an RAF fighter jet would shoot down a US fighter plane in UK airspace

    We are beyond surreal
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,220
    AnneJGP said:

    Shout out from Musk to @RochdalePioneers

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898783119039213930

    Heartfelt thanks to everyone supporting @Tesla, despite many attacks against our stores and offices ❤️❤️❤️

    No one in their right mind is going to touch a Tesla in Europe. Same for starlink. Actually, same for any American tech
    I read the Canada to be invaded in Summer 2026 substack. If America does go down that route its not just American tech going in the bin, its party time for China...
    I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well. Canada and Greenland.. normally I’d say “no way”, but honestly, who knows anymore
    F*cking massive constitutional crisis for the UK.

    The King is head of state of Canada.

    One wonders though whether US military would obey an order to invade Canada or whether senior officers would take matters into their own hands as to the situation in the White House.
    Of course I see that it would be a very challenging diplomatic problem, but why a constitutional problem? Since Canada and the UK have the same King, there's no divided loyalty. If Canada were threatening to invade the US, maybe.

    Or are you suggesting we should support the US in its adventure?
    Indeed, we fought the war of 1812 against the Americans when they invaded Canada and British troops burnt down the White House (albeit they didn't have nukes then)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,157
    Arise, Governor Carney :lol:
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    Carney wins
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,760
    Daughter in law just text from Vancouver with landslide for Carney with 86%
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,220
    Mark Carney is elected new Liberal leader and PM of Canada with 85% of the vote
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    @faisalislam
    NEW

    Mark Carney “next PM of Canada” replaces Justin Trudeau as Liberal Party leader on first ballot with 85% of vote…
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,850
    HYUFD said:



    Indeed, we fought the war of 1812 against the Americans when they invaded Canada and British troops burnt down the White House (albeit they didn't have nukes then)

    Good idea for a Harry Turtledove alt history novel though.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,078
    @faisalislam
    Fmr Canadian PM Chretien to Trump:

    “From one old guy to another… stop this nonsense… “ going on to say US will not “starve” Canada…. Says he proudly refused to follow US to Iraq

    Quite clear how election to be fought… but you get a sense of what Trump’s insults have done:
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,451

    Carney wins

    Water is still wet. And the next pope will be a Catholic.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,897
    HYUFD said:

    Mark Carney is elected new Liberal leader and PM of Canada with 85% of the vote

    Putin-esque percentages there
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,763
    You may recall my thesis that free speech does not exist, and that the only task of the statistician is to measure it (#pbfreespeech). Here is a substack trying to keep track of Trump free speech suppression: https://donmoynihan.substack.com/p/real-chilling-effects
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,451

    HYUFD said:

    Mark Carney is elected new Liberal leader and PM of Canada with 85% of the vote

    Putin-esque percentages there
    Nope - your basic coronation.

    I will bet that his U.K. links were considered a big plus.
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