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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,999

    Nigelb said:

    I'm old enough to remember having a four digit phone number.

    I'm old enough to remember not having a phone at home.
    Me too,and it was quite an event when we got one. I still remember the number - AMHurst 0806. I must admit I'm nostalgic for those old area names.

    Remember WHItehall 1212 ? Sigh.
    I can still remember the phone number of Corsham Building Plastics, I company I have never used, because they would play a jingle a lot on the radio station my mother listened to 30+ years ago. But my home number? I'd probably get it right, but I'd want to check.

    Funny thing, the human memory.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,430
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    Eabhal said:

    Interesting news from the FT this evening.

    Apparently Meloni proposed extending NATO Article 5 cover to include Ukraine but without formal accession to NATO. I can't see that flying but interesting never the less that it is being proposed by Italy.

    ... that's the US out then. I would have thought the most aggressive position possible would be a *conventional* security guarantee. Not actual nukes.
    Article 5 just says that when called upon, the other states do *something*. Nothing about nukes.

    In theory, a strongly worded letter of support could meet the obligation.

    NATO was designed not to make the same mistake that the earlier alliance systems made, with automatic declarations of war.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,726

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    Eabhal said:

    Interesting news from the FT this evening.

    Apparently Meloni proposed extending NATO Article 5 cover to include Ukraine but without formal accession to NATO. I can't see that flying but interesting never the less that it is being proposed by Italy.

    ... that's the US out then. I would have thought the most aggressive position possible would be a *conventional* security guarantee. Not actual nukes.
    Article 5 just says that when called upon, the other states do *something*. Nothing about nukes.

    In theory, a strongly worded letter of support could meet the obligation.

    NATO was designed not to make the same mistake that the earlier alliance systems made, with automatic declarations of war.
    But if Russia steamrollers Ukraine despite Art 5 protection, the whole thing collapses with Estonia etc suddenly looking vulnerable. Way too risky IMO unless you have European boots on the ground in Ukraine immediately after the guarantee has been provided.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,136
    Lab hold in Hounslow.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,136
    Lib Dem gain in Pendle.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123
    slade said:

    Lib Dem gain in Pendle.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/1897801692537586080

    Vivary Bridge (Pendle) Council By-Election Result:

    🔶 LDM: 34.9% (+3.5)
    ➡️ RFM: 32.2% (New)
    🌳 CON: 22.0% (-16.9)
    🌹 LAB: 10.9% (-11.9)

    No GRN (-6.9) as previous.

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Conservative.
    Changes w/ 2024.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,403

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    Eabhal said:

    Interesting news from the FT this evening.

    Apparently Meloni proposed extending NATO Article 5 cover to include Ukraine but without formal accession to NATO. I can't see that flying but interesting never the less that it is being proposed by Italy.

    ... that's the US out then. I would have thought the most aggressive position possible would be a *conventional* security guarantee. Not actual nukes.
    Article 5 just says that when called upon, the other states do *something*. Nothing about nukes.

    In theory, a strongly worded letter of support could meet the obligation.

    NATO was designed not to make the same mistake that the earlier alliance systems made, with automatic declarations of war.
    I think Article 5 was a US requirement, because under the US Constitution declaring war was a a perogative of the Congress. Back in the days when the Constitution was considered important.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,136
    Con hold in Barnet.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,136
    Lib Dem hold in Eastleigh.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,430
    Foxy said:

    a

    Eabhal said:

    Interesting news from the FT this evening.

    Apparently Meloni proposed extending NATO Article 5 cover to include Ukraine but without formal accession to NATO. I can't see that flying but interesting never the less that it is being proposed by Italy.

    ... that's the US out then. I would have thought the most aggressive position possible would be a *conventional* security guarantee. Not actual nukes.
    Article 5 just says that when called upon, the other states do *something*. Nothing about nukes.

    In theory, a strongly worded letter of support could meet the obligation.

    NATO was designed not to make the same mistake that the earlier alliance systems made, with automatic declarations of war.
    I think Article 5 was a US requirement, because under the US Constitution declaring war was a a perogative of the Congress. Back in the days when the Constitution was considered important.
    It was specifically about avoiding automatic declarations of war - pre WWI Europe as the “tent of swords” - this was discussed in the negotiations that led to NATO.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,403
    DavidL said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ...

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    In fact, I cannot remember the last time I met an actual right wing lawyer. As in: a full-on Brexity Tory gin-swilling hang-em-high justice of the peace

    I wonder if they even exist any more

    On the other hand, I have met many many many left wing lawyers and judges, some very left, nearly always Remainery

    There are a whole host of reasons why the poor black man ends up in prison and the rich white women doesn’t.

    Poor people are much more likely to go to prison, whatever their colour. Their propensity to steal, for example, is driven by their situation and lack of options.

    They are less likely to be in employment so less able to pay compensation.

    They are more likely to live in criminal environs making recidivism more likely.

    They are less likely to have a secure address or a stable family relationship.

    They are likely to be less well represented.

    They are more likely to have a problematic relationship with drugs and alcohol, not least because their life is shit.

    I could go on but if the courts are going to find ways of not sending a disproportionate number of poor black men to prison they need to think outside the box a bit more and a pre-sentencing report can help with that.

    These guidelines are based on real evidence and real experiences of those at the sharp end. Having given it some thought I back them and regret that Labour ran away because they thought it looked “woke”.

    And a bleeding heart liberal I ain’t.
    I am appalled by this.

    We don't see eye to eye on many issues these days, but I tend to regard your capacity to reason as sound, if you often reach conclusions that I think are erroneous.

    This is not that - this is a perversion of logic. It is not for the courts to maladminister justice to try to redress some societal imbalance that they have cod-analysed. If more poor black men have committed crimes severe enough to warrant a custodial sentence, then they must be given a custodial sentence - if for public protection alone.

    'Having given some thought' is a good one. Perhaps giving such 'thought' is what it takes to be promoted these days.
    But wait, racist anti-white sentencing laws make him a bit "twitchy", so that's OK
    It's just integrity leaving the body.
    That's a brilliant analogy

    I believe these pre-death rhapsodies often occur in lawyers entering late middle age, pre-retirement, when it just seems so much easier to - you know - go with the flow, don't make a fuss....
    DavidL is one of the finest posters on this site.
    Was

    I hope he returns to his senses. His posts today have been shameful
    @DavidL is always very sensible.
    Boringly so. I am genuinely surprised my comments have been thought controversial. I have explained that there are many reasons why people from ethnic backgrounds may be more prone to being sentenced to jail than the stereotype of racist judges ( in which respect I agree with @Leon’s observations).

    The question is whether the court should respond to these factors or simply say that is the way it is. I think exploring other options than jail makes sense. It reduces the likelihood of further offending. It improves the chances of the offender becoming a useful citizen. That is in all our interests, not just the accused.

    For the record I have no intention ever of applying to become a judge. I much prefer prosecution and probably wouldn’t be considered anyway. The guidelines we have been discussing do not apply in Scotland. If they did I would inevitably have been more circumspect in expressing any view about them.
    I am fully on board with better use of noncustodial sentences. The most sensible thing ever said on prisons was by Douglas Hurd "prison is an expensive way of making bad people worse".

    It would make sense to have a PSR for everybody, albeit it could be fairly brief.

    The probation service privatisation in England was rather a disaster so I am not sure it could cope with doing everyone a PSR, but that needs sorting out. Maybe the Scottish equivalent is in better shape.

    I took time to read the actual document and supporting papers from the Sentencing Council, which had a long consultation under the last government. There is a strong emphasis on following guidance in the "Equal Treatment Bench Book" published in July 2024, so once again drafted under the Tories.

    They are well thought out documents.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,757

    Nigelb said:

    I'm old enough to remember having a four digit phone number.

    I'm old enough to remember not having a phone at home.
    Me too,and it was quite an event when we got one. I still remember the number - AMHurst 0806. I must admit I'm nostalgic for those old area names.

    Remember WHItehall 1212 ? Sigh.
    01 811 8055
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,757
    edited March 7
    @rcs1000, @TSE

    Elon's government email addy has been leaked online. Can I post it?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,890
    slade said:

    Con hold in Barnet.

    One of the safest Tory wards in London.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,395
    edited March 7

    IanB2 said:

    Kind of as predicted by some of us I see NBC are reporting that UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada are discussing ending the Five Eyes relationship with the USA and scaling back on what intelligence they share with them.

    Let’s hope the move toward four eyes doesn’t prove to be shortsighted.
    LOL. But being more serious I would think the obvious response would be to keep Five Eyes with France replacing the US. No matter how much we might like to scorn them on occassion, in the longer term I think they have proved far more trustworthy than the US, not least because they have been very open when they are not happy about something.
    On Froggy trustworthiness, you might want to ask the New Zealanders. France is the only democratic country I recall that ever committed an act of murderous terrorism in another democratic country, and still hasn't apologised for it, or brought those who committed it to book. I am just about old enough to remember the debate in that odious country, where the public wasn't shocked about the morality or even advisability of the act, only that the French agents had been clumsy enough to be caught.

    Or the Canadians whose country the French have tried repeatedly to undermine by maliciously stirring up ethnic tensions.

    Or other NATO members, whom France flaked on in the 1960s for four decades.

    Or the Ukrainians, many of whom were horrified at Macron's self-created "Putin-whispering" role at the start of the war.

    Or the French electorate, which might well go for Le Pen in a couple of years, whose party was financed directly by Moscow.

    Or the British people, who Macron tried desperately to screw over as much as possible when we exercised our democratic and constitutional right to leave the EU, to an extent that eventually annoyed even many in Brussels.

    Macron is desperate to salvage his failed Presidency by carving out a role for himself internationally. He would happily screw us over again if that got him a legacy. We should have as little to do with him and his odious country as possible. They are like one of their prostitutes - if you get into bed with them, you end up regretting it as you'll almost certainly catch something nasty.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    viewcode said:

    @rcs1000, @TSE

    Elon's government email addy has been leaked online. Can I post it?

    Not my call but what's the upside? The downside is pb attracts the wrath of Musk and his followers, of whom there must still be some.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,403
    edited March 7
    Fishing said:

    IanB2 said:

    Kind of as predicted by some of us I see NBC are reporting that UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada are discussing ending the Five Eyes relationship with the USA and scaling back on what intelligence they share with them.

    Let’s hope the move toward four eyes doesn’t prove to be shortsighted.
    LOL. But being more serious I would think the obvious response would be to keep Five Eyes with France replacing the US. No matter how much we might like to scorn them on occassion, in the longer term I think they have proved far more trustworthy than the US, not least because they have been very open when they are not happy about something.
    On Froggy trustworthiness, you might want to ask the New Zealanders. France is the only democratic country I recall that ever committed an act of murderous terrorism in another democratic country, and still hasn't apologised for it, or brought those who committed it to book. I am just about old enough to remember the debate in that odious country, where the public wasn't shocked about the morality or even advisability of the act, only that the French agents had been clumsy enough to be caught.

    Or the Canadians whose country the French have tried repeatedly to undermine by maliciously stirring up ethnic tensions.

    Or other NATO members, whom France flaked on in the 1960s for four decades.

    Or the Ukrainians, many of whom were horrified at Macron's self-created "Putin-whispering" role at the start of the war.

    Or the French electorate, which might well go for Le Pen in a couple of years, whose party was financed directly by Moscow.

    Or the British people, who Macron tried desperately to screw over as much as possible when we exercised our democratic and constitutional right to leave the EU, to an extent that eventually annoyed even many in Brussels.

    Macron is desperate to salvage his failed Presidency by carving out a role for himself internationally. He would happily screw us over again if that got him a legacy. We should have as little to do with him and his odious country as possible. They are like one of their prostitutes - if you get into bed with them, you end up regretting it as you'll almost certainly catch something nasty.
    India has murdered Sikh activists recently in Canada, both being democracies.

    Of course there may be other killings that have never come to light. James Bond is not the only agent with a licence to kill.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,153
    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    It’s a view.

    Trump Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent today in NYC: “Access to cheap goods is not the essence of the American Dream”
    https://x.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1897697918456332478

    How's that eggy pricey thing doing for y'all?
    Funny that , it was all the rage last November. You’ll find the Maga cult aren’t bothered about the price of eggs now. The latest coping strategy is to say any pain will be worth it in the end .
    Normally, left wingers would be concerned about the cost of living. Mocking voters for caring about the price of eggs was a big misstep.

    Yes, Trump's policies may in fact increase the price of eggs. But laughing at the concerns of the poor was and is shitty behaviour.
    Examples of leftwingers mocking people for caring about the price of eggs so we know who you are complaining aboit?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,075
    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,824
    Andy_JS said:

    A lot of phone boxes have been turned into mini-libraries, others into defibrillators.

    We’re about to turn one into an art museum
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,075
    @jimsciutto

    Breaking: The Federal Aviation Administration is halting flights into Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Palm Beach, and Orlando airports for "falling space debris." The move follows the failed launch of SpaceX's Starship, which lifted off from SpaceX’s Starbase facility in South Texas around 5:30 p.m. CST, or 6:30 p.m. EST.

    https://x.com/jimsciutto/status/1897810982971252896
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 542
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    nico67 said:

    Won’t companies think twice about investing in the US if this chaos continues ?

    I see that Walgreen Boots has been sold off after losing 80% of its value in 5 years. US market can be a graveyard for companies. Ask Marks and Spencer
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 542
    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    It’s a view.

    Trump Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent today in NYC: “Access to cheap goods is not the essence of the American Dream”
    https://x.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1897697918456332478

    How's that eggy pricey thing doing for y'all?
    Funny that , it was all the rage last November. You’ll find the Maga cult aren’t bothered about the price of eggs now. The latest coping strategy is to say any pain will be worth it in the end .
    That's the Russian line too.
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561
    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    That is so stupid if it is true 🤣🤣🤣🤣
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561
    kamski said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    It’s a view.

    Trump Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent today in NYC: “Access to cheap goods is not the essence of the American Dream”
    https://x.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1897697918456332478

    How's that eggy pricey thing doing for y'all?
    Funny that , it was all the rage last November. You’ll find the Maga cult aren’t bothered about the price of eggs now. The latest coping strategy is to say any pain will be worth it in the end .
    Normally, left wingers would be concerned about the cost of living. Mocking voters for caring about the price of eggs was a big misstep.

    Yes, Trump's policies may in fact increase the price of eggs. But laughing at the concerns of the poor was and is shitty behaviour.
    Examples of leftwingers mocking people for caring about the price of eggs so we know who you are complaining aboit?
    I think you misunderstand what they are laughing at... they are not laughing at the price of eggs per se. They are laughing at the people most sensitive to the price of eggs confidently voting for politicians who's policies will seriously aggravate the issue. They are laughing at the dunning Kruger effect - not eggs.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,165

    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    That is so stupid if it is true 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    DOGE also inadvertently revealed the location of a CIA black site.
    I'm not sure whether that was DEI related, or just because they were trying to sell it off.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,295
    Good morning, everyone.
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    That is so stupid if it is true 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    DOGE also inadvertently revealed the location of a CIA black site.
    I'm not sure whether that was DEI related, or just because they were trying to sell it off.
    Some say that colours have joined numbers and words as the eternal enemies of Trump's America.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,403

    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    That is so stupid if it is true 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    It seems to be.

    Simple solution is to rename it Enola Straight.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    It’s interesting to see the Trumpists start to crawl out from under their rocks pushing Moscow’s lines . Yesterday we had imminent civil war in the UK, today we can’t trust the French.

    Drip, drip, drip. Lord Haw Haw would be proud of his grandchildren.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    edited March 7
    Jonathan said:

    It’s interesting to see the Trumpists start to crawl out from under their rocks pushing Moscow’s lines . Yesterday we had imminent civil war in the UK, today we can’t trust the French.

    Drip, drip, drip. Lord Haw Haw would be proud of his grandchildren.

    There is much re-Joyce-ing going on among these people.

    I'll get my coat.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,737
    edited March 7

    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    That is so stupid if it is true 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    And it would mess up one of the story lines in London Fields where Nicola Six invents a young girl called Enola Gay who is raped and has Little Boy as a result.

    Probably not worth it.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000
    What the ????

    Bridget Phillipson:

    Giving every child the best start in life means excellent foundations in reading and writing.

    Through our Plan for Change, we're investing in measures to boost reading skills and putting reading for pleasure at the heart of our 100-year partnership with Ukraine.

    #WorldBookDay
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822
    Pulpstar said:

    What the ????

    Bridget Phillipson:

    Giving every child the best start in life means excellent foundations in reading and writing.

    Through our Plan for Change, we're investing in measures to boost reading skills and putting reading for pleasure at the heart of our 100-year partnership with Ukraine.

    #WorldBookDay

    I've given up wondering that where the DfE is concerned.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,864
    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    First they came for trans people. They then came for immigrants. Then they came for the homosexuals.

    One group they'll never go after: men.

    Remember, trans people are apparently a threat to women. The Tate brothers, not...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    OMD, be very afraid...
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 848
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    First they came for trans people. They then came for immigrants. Then they came for the homosexuals.

    One group they'll never go after: men.

    Remember, trans people are apparently a threat to women. The Tate brothers, not...
    It dos seem that the Trans-gender mice project that was defunded in Trump's SOTU address the other day were actually Transgenic mice used in research studies.

    It seems very unlikely mice are concerned about pronouns.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,153

    kamski said:

    carnforth said:

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    It’s a view.

    Trump Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent today in NYC: “Access to cheap goods is not the essence of the American Dream”
    https://x.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1897697918456332478

    How's that eggy pricey thing doing for y'all?
    Funny that , it was all the rage last November. You’ll find the Maga cult aren’t bothered about the price of eggs now. The latest coping strategy is to say any pain will be worth it in the end .
    Normally, left wingers would be concerned about the cost of living. Mocking voters for caring about the price of eggs was a big misstep.

    Yes, Trump's policies may in fact increase the price of eggs. But laughing at the concerns of the poor was and is shitty behaviour.
    Examples of leftwingers mocking people for caring about the price of eggs so we know who you are complaining aboit?
    I think you misunderstand what they are laughing at... they are not laughing at the price of eggs per se. They are laughing at the people most sensitive to the price of eggs confidently voting for politicians who's policies will seriously aggravate the issue. They are laughing at the dunning Kruger effect - not eggs.
    I'm just wondering who these leftwingers mocking concerns about inflation are?

    I can see Trump is taking the piss out of voters by promising to tackle inflation on "day one" while campaigning, and now saying price rises are good for you or something.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,737
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    First they came for trans people. They then came for immigrants. Then they came for the homosexuals.

    One group they'll never go after: men.

    Remember, trans people are apparently a threat to women. The Tate brothers, not...
    It dos seem that the Trans-gender mice project that was defunded in Trump's SOTU address the other day were actually Transgenic mice used in research studies.

    Its not so much lunatics in charge of the Asylum as infants in charge of the nursery. These transgenic mice were involved in research of Alzheimer's. To see a once great country reduced to this.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 542

    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    First they came for trans people. They then came for immigrants. Then they came for the homosexuals.

    One group they'll never go after: men.

    Remember, trans people are apparently a threat to women. The Tate brothers, not...
    In lab experiments it's only the males they off. Females are not used (though it's changing). Seems male rats are more 'stable'.

    Family member used to off a lot of rats to study the effects of K on the rats' brain chemistry. Note to Elon. It's not good.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,286
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    First they came for trans people. They then came for immigrants. Then they came for the homosexuals.

    One group they'll never go after: men.

    Remember, trans people are apparently a threat to women. The Tate brothers, not...
    It dos seem that the Trans-gender mice project that was defunded in Trump's SOTU address the other day were actually Transgenic mice used in research studies.

    Its not so much lunatics in charge of the Asylum as infants in charge of the nursery. These transgenic mice were involved in research of Alzheimer's. To see a once great country reduced to this.
    First they came for the paediatricians...
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,546
    Andy_JS said:

    dixiedean said:

    Please, please let Liz join Reform.
    She could stand in Runcorn.
    Then we'd know Starmer was supernaturally blessed.

    Do you assume she'd lose in Runcorn as Ref candidate?
    Her winning would probably be even more of a gift to Starmer in the medium term.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,186

    NEW THREAD

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,864
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    First they came for trans people. They then came for immigrants. Then they came for the homosexuals.

    One group they'll never go after: men.

    Remember, trans people are apparently a threat to women. The Tate brothers, not...
    It dos seem that the Trans-gender mice project that was defunded in Trump's SOTU address the other day were actually Transgenic mice used in research studies.

    To be clear, I was not referring to the mice. I was referring to the various anti-trans measures introduced by Trump's regime, e.g. the order to remove trans people from the military.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 848
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jimsciutto

    Breaking

    The news, the rocket or Musk's reputation for technical competence?
    Can any non-musk fans explain how spacex is getting away with raining debris over Turks and Caicos islands? Are the FAA just too scared of Musk?
    Just seems to be lucky that they haven't resulted in serious injury.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,864
    Dopermean said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @jimsciutto

    Breaking

    The news, the rocket or Musk's reputation for technical competence?
    Can any non-musk fans explain how spacex is getting away with raining debris over Turks and Caicos islands? Are the FAA just too scared of Musk?
    Just seems to be lucky that they haven't resulted in serious injury.

    According to the SpaceX fanbois, no debris did rain down on the Turks and Caicos islands after the January RUD. Evidence seems to indicate otherwise, but they debate that.

    Basically: Musk doesn't care about anyone who isn't him, and Trump's regime have neutered the FAA.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,321
    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    That is clearly done by an automated system without a human thinking about it or checking.

    It’s obviously stupid.

    But the issue in presenting gleefully that they have done it is that it undermines the criticism of the more serious stuff they have done
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,321
    Battlebus said:

    a

    nico67 said:

    Won’t companies think twice about investing in the US if this chaos continues ?

    I see that Walgreen Boots has been sold off after losing 80% of its value in 5 years. US market can be a graveyard for companies. Ask Marks and Spencer
    Walgreens is a US company
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,134
    edited March 7

    Battlebus said:

    a

    nico67 said:

    Won’t companies think twice about investing in the US if this chaos continues ?

    I see that Walgreen Boots has been sold off after losing 80% of its value in 5 years. US market can be a graveyard for companies. Ask Marks and Spencer
    Walgreens is a US company
    Boots wasn't until it was taken over. I assume that is what Battlebus is referring to.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,182
    edited March 7
    ...
    DavidL said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    maxh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ...

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    In fact, I cannot remember the last time I met an actual right wing lawyer. As in: a full-on Brexity Tory gin-swilling hang-em-high justice of the peace

    I wonder if they even exist any more

    On the other hand, I have met many many many left wing lawyers and judges, some very left, nearly always Remainery

    There are a whole host of reasons why the poor black man ends up in prison and the rich white women doesn’t.

    Poor people are much more likely to go to prison, whatever their colour. Their propensity to steal, for example, is driven by their situation and lack of options.

    They are less likely to be in employment so less able to pay compensation.

    They are more likely to live in criminal environs making recidivism more likely.

    They are less likely to have a secure address or a stable family relationship.

    They are likely to be less well represented.

    They are more likely to have a problematic relationship with drugs and alcohol, not least because their life is shit.

    I could go on but if the courts are going to find ways of not sending a disproportionate number of poor black men to prison they need to think outside the box a bit more and a pre-sentencing report can help with that.

    These guidelines are based on real evidence and real experiences of those at the sharp end. Having given it some thought I back them and regret that Labour ran away because they thought it looked “woke”.

    And a bleeding heart liberal I ain’t.
    I am appalled by this.

    We don't see eye to eye on many issues these days, but I tend to regard your capacity to reason as sound, if you often reach conclusions that I think are erroneous.

    This is not that - this is a perversion of logic. It is not for the courts to maladminister justice to try to redress some societal imbalance that they have cod-analysed. If more poor black men have committed crimes severe enough to warrant a custodial sentence, then they must be given a custodial sentence - if for public protection alone.

    'Having given some thought' is a good one. Perhaps giving such 'thought' is what it takes to be promoted these days.
    But wait, racist anti-white sentencing laws make him a bit "twitchy", so that's OK
    It's just integrity leaving the body.
    That's a brilliant analogy

    I believe these pre-death rhapsodies often occur in lawyers entering late middle age, pre-retirement, when it just seems so much easier to - you know - go with the flow, don't make a fuss....
    DavidL is one of the finest posters on this site.
    Was

    I hope he returns to his senses. His posts today have been shameful
    @DavidL is always very sensible.
    Boringly so. I am genuinely surprised my comments have been thought controversial. I have explained that there are many reasons why people from ethnic backgrounds may be more prone to being sentenced to jail than the stereotype of racist judges ( in which respect I agree with @Leon’s observations).

    The question is whether the court should respond to these factors or simply say that is the way it is. I think exploring other options than jail makes sense. It reduces the likelihood of further offending. It improves the chances of the offender becoming a useful citizen. That is in all our interests, not just the accused.

    For the record I have no intention ever of applying to become a judge. I much prefer prosecution and probably wouldn’t be considered anyway. The guidelines we have been discussing do not apply in Scotland. If they did I would inevitably have been more circumspect in expressing any view about them.
    Choosing from many of the plethora of reasons why your apologia for this policy is completely off the wall, firstly, when have these ham-fisted attempts to redress the perceived imbalances of society by enshrining unfairness ever actually worked? Did the community policing of the gangs who shall not be named work? Has the deprecation of stop and search worked? These communities have in fact been victims of such policies, exposed to disgrace on the one hand and violence and danger on the other by the light touch policing they've been treated to. Can you not see how releasing ethnic minority criminals back into their communities with low-or-no custodial sentences might not actually be great for those communities?

    Secondly, even if this approach had any social benefit, it is still completely unwarranted discrimination on racial grounds. We know that white working class males are now the lowest attainment group. Why should they receive tougher sentences than their equivalent ethnic minority defendants when they may well be even less privileged? Where is the handwringing about too many young poor white males going to gaol?

    This is a despicable policy that if implemented would undermine the whole fabric of our legal system and have damaging consequences we cannot even anticipate. If a 'not a bleeding heart liberal' Tory within the profession can tolerate it with flatulent acquiescence, God help our legal system.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,321
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    First they came for trans people. They then came for immigrants. Then they came for the homosexuals.

    One group they'll never go after: men.

    Remember, trans people are apparently a threat to women. The Tate brothers, not...
    It dos seem that the Trans-gender mice project that was defunded in Trump's SOTU address the other day were actually Transgenic mice used in research studies.

    Its not so much lunatics in charge of the Asylum as infants in charge of the nursery. These transgenic mice were involved in
    research of Alzheimer's. To see a once
    great country reduced to this.
    It’s actually very instructive (clutching at straws!)

    It clearly demonstrates the limitations of automated procedures without human oversight.

    As with “enola gay” someone has written a script saying “defund anything with the word trans in the the title” and not applied any judgement to the output

    (FWIW transgenic SPF mice are critical to almost all advanced medical research not just Alzheimer’s)


  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,684

    Good morning, everyone.

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    That is so stupid if it is true 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    DOGE also inadvertently revealed the location of a CIA black site.
    I'm not sure whether that was DEI related, or just because they were trying to sell it off.
    Some say that colours have joined numbers and words as the eternal enemies of Trump's America.
    Are there any dodgy State symbols that need to be banned?

    Hmmm.

    The state flower of Idaho is "mock orange". Chump may be triggered.
    He'll like Nebraska and South Carolina's Goldenrod.
    Oklahoma's Indian Blanket is a bit DEI, as is Wyoming's Indian Paintbrush.

    They seem to be quite promiscuous with their symbols.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_United_States_state_symbols

    The state firearm of Tennessee is the Barrett M82 - beloved of the IRA.

    Endless fun awaits.

  • MangoMango Posts: 1,030
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @briantylercohen.bsky.social‬

    The US military has removed photos of the B-29 bomber “Enola Gay” — which dropped the first atomic bomb on Japan — apparently because it contains the word “gay,” which violates their new anti-DEI rules.

    That is so stupid if it is true 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    It seems to be.

    Simple solution is to rename it Enola Straight.
    Not Enola Don't Ask Don't Tell?
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