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  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    11 polls this year so far. Averages:

    Lab 33.3%
    Con 32.5%
    UKIP 14.7%
    LD 7.7%
    Greens 6.3%
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,203
    edited January 2015
    AndyJS said:

    11 polls this year so far. Averages:

    Lab 33.3%
    Con 32.5%
    UKIP 14.7%
    LD 7.7%
    Greens 6.3%

    Inching ever closer to crossover...

  • 'Reset relations' is Labour code for abandon any pretence to stand-up for British interests in the EU and get a seat back at the top table to nod along in pursuing a purely europhile agenda.

    Of course. What else would you expect?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited January 2015
    I'm a novice as far as economics is concerned, but I wonder whether western governments could stockpile huge quantities of oil whilst the price is low in preparation for a time when it's expensive again? Or is that economic illiteracy?
    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    The price of Brent Crude has dropped by almost 6% today:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/

    There is a 2 million barrel per day oversupply, until production and consumption closes that gap oil will continue to fall.
    And the US still recorded an increase in oil output recently, most of it extracted now at a loss, so many american oil companies will go bust soon if production doesn't fall by 1.5 million barrels per day by years end.

    I thought a few months ago that oil will fall to 40$ a barrel, seeing that american oil companies are willing to increase production even if they lose money, i'm revising my prediction to free (well almost free) oil per barrel (because storage costs will outway the sales price so they will start pleading for buyers at any price).

    In theory the price of oil can fall to almost 0$, however the price will fall until production collapses, and that is mostly determined now by how much cash oil companies have.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,509
    GIN1138 said:

    AndyJS said:

    11 polls this year so far. Averages:

    Lab 33.3%
    Con 32.5%
    UKIP 14.7%
    LD 7.7%
    Greens 6.3%

    Inching ever closer to crossover...

    Should be there soon after May 7!

    Qiute a way from a 7-point lead a la 2010, though.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Hmmm
    "Alarm at sudden fall in life expectancy" front page of the Independent.

    Must be a delayed reaction to "Stafford"?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,292
    I would agree with that, its also not going to help the Labour party down South if the possibility of a future Lab/SNP Coalition or confidence and supply deal gains any more traction in the media in the run up to the GE.
    chestnut said:

    It's midwinter. NHS Peak issue time. The election is in May.

    Sean_F said:

    Are Labour trying to make me vote Tory?

    Douglas Alexander batting for Europe in the Evening Standard tonight:

    "The tragedy for Britain is that it doesn’t need to be like this. There is an alternative to Britain stumbling out of Europe. The right approach for Britain is not an exit from Europe, it is reform in Europe.

    From day one in office, a newly elected Labour government would set about enhancing the UK’s influence in Europe and reset relations with other EU leaders after five years of Mr Cameron’s failed approach."

    http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/douglas-alexander-why-the-city-must-take-a-lead-in-making-the-case-for-europe-9972548.html

    Bragging that the South East will pay for extra spending in Scotland is also a good way of getting people to vote Conservative.

    Its no surprise that the NHS is featuring so highly in the polls given its prominence in the news of late. But Labour will definitely not find it the silver bullet it once might have been at election time due to the problems being experienced in the Welsh and Scottish NHS right now, neither of which is currently run by either the Conservatives or the Libdems. There may well be problems in the English NHS, but right now there are also very serious problems in the unreformed Welsh and Scottish NHS.

    ComRes are the pollsters that had the public preferring Dave to run the NHS rather than Ed.

    Just saying like.

    The NHS might not be the silver bullet Labour's think it might be.

  • AndyJS said:

    I'm a novice as far as economics is concerned, but I wonder whether western governments could stockpile huge quantities of oil whilst the price is low in preparation for a time when it's expensive again? Or is that economic illiteracy?

    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    The price of Brent Crude has dropped by almost 6% today:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/

    There is a 2 million barrel per day oversupply, until production and consumption closes that gap oil will continue to fall.
    And the US still recorded an increase in oil output recently, most of it extracted now at a loss, so many american oil companies will go bust soon if production doesn't fall by 1.5 million barrels per day by years end.

    I thought a few months ago that oil will fall to 40$ a barrel, seeing that american oil companies are willing to increase production even if they lose money, i'm revising my prediction to free (well almost free) oil per barrel (because storage costs will outway the sales price so they will start pleading for buyers at any price).

    In theory the price of oil can fall to almost 0$, however the price will fall until production collapses, and that is mostly determined now by how much cash oil companies have.
    That would be similar to the stockpiling of coal which the Tories carried out before the miners strike, something which Scargill must have been aware of but chose to ignore for ideological reasons.

    I detest the Tories for the way they acted then but Scargill was equally to blame, he sold the proud miners down the river for his own ego.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited January 2015
    Smarmeron said:

    @Moses_
    Leather chesterfields in the AE waiting room? How many would they need?

    Is that it? the top end of your debate / argument? the summation of your point

    A Leather chesterfield?

    Jeez...... you and people like you are just not worth the O2

    Good night



  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    chestnut said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%

    Ashcroft and Populus both waste of time tonight.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    AndyJS said:

    I'm a novice as far as economics is concerned, but I wonder whether western governments could stockpile huge quantities of oil whilst the price is low in preparation for a time when it's expensive again? Or is that economic illiteracy?

    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    The price of Brent Crude has dropped by almost 6% today:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/

    There is a 2 million barrel per day oversupply, until production and consumption closes that gap oil will continue to fall.
    And the US still recorded an increase in oil output recently, most of it extracted now at a loss, so many american oil companies will go bust soon if production doesn't fall by 1.5 million barrels per day by years end.

    I thought a few months ago that oil will fall to 40$ a barrel, seeing that american oil companies are willing to increase production even if they lose money, i'm revising my prediction to free (well almost free) oil per barrel (because storage costs will outway the sales price so they will start pleading for buyers at any price).

    In theory the price of oil can fall to almost 0$, however the price will fall until production collapses, and that is mostly determined now by how much cash oil companies have.
    May as well just make a deal with Saudi Arabia to buy x million barrels of oil at a specific price every month for the next y years and save the storage & security costs of building gigantic tanks.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,203
    edited January 2015

    GIN1138 said:

    AndyJS said:

    11 polls this year so far. Averages:

    Lab 33.3%
    Con 32.5%
    UKIP 14.7%
    LD 7.7%
    Greens 6.3%

    Inching ever closer to crossover...

    Should be there soon after May 7!

    Qiute a way from a 7-point lead a la 2010, though.
    You must be seriously concerned at Labour basically being in a "dead heat" with the Tories now and 4 months still to go?

    An average of 33.3% can't be where you thought Labour would be right now, this time two years ago?

  • Qiute a way from a 7-point lead a la 2010, though.

    True, but the usual experience (as in 2010, since you mention it) is an opposition to government swing in the final months.

    No guarantees, of course, but that is the more common case than either nothing happening, or a swing in the opposite direction.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited January 2015
    @Moses_
    My fault of course, it was another way of asking how many A and E units there were in the Private sector.
    Subtlety is not a strong suit for you, I should have realised.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited January 2015
    @Moses

    The NHS Trusts bidding to takeover Hinchinbrooke pulled out, leaving the three private bidders.

    It seems that the accountants in the NHS beat those in the Private sector at spotting the financial problems at Hinchinbrooke. Circle lost £5 million, its CEO, its reputation and its share price took a battering.

    Perhaps the private bidders should get better at assessing business propositions!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,708
    edited January 2015
    Smarmeron said:

    Hmmm
    "Alarm at sudden fall in life expectancy" front page of the Independent.

    Must be a delayed reaction to "Stafford"?

    I want to see the data and more information about this.

    On a related note....

    The BBC were running a piece on increased life expectancy and they quoted the figure of 1/3 people born today will live to 100 and were going on about people living far far longer.

    The only problem is when you start to look at where that figure comes from it is nonsense. It is predicated on that assumption that AVERAGE life expectancy will continue to increase at the rate we have seen over the past 50-100 years.

    However, if you actually look at the figures that make up AVERAGE life expectancy, one of the biggest drivers that has led to this increase over the past 100 years, the basic elimination of childhood mortality in the country. Yes people are living longer, but the AVERAGE figure and its increase have vastly increased, due to the negligible number of children dying after a few months or years, and that skews the figures. But now that childhood mortality is incredibly low, there isn't really much that can be done on that side of the equation.

    On the other side, yes people live longer, and probably better to describe that people live healthy active lives for longer i.e All those 70+ year old now living very well.

    None of this though, actually proves that 1/3 will live to 100 or that we really can make huge progress (which is what is needed and hasn't actually occurred despite the average number going up) in extending. That would require a massive massive improvement in both drugs to combat diseases that become more likely with age, and that people over their whole life have a better diet, more exercise, etc (and we know that there is major concern about this).
  • Smarmeron said:

    @Moses_
    My fault of course, it was another way of asking how many A and E units there were in the Private sector.
    Subtlety is not a strong suit for you, I should have realised.

    I am a broker in the private healthcare market, there are no private hospitals with A&E facilities.
  • Smarmeron said:

    @Moses_
    My fault of course, it was another way of asking how many A and E units there were in the Private sector.
    Subtlety is not a strong suit for you, I should have realised.

    I am a broker in the private healthcare market, there are no private hospitals with A&E facilities.
    .. in the UK. Lots in most other Western nations, of course.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @FrancisUrquhart
    The article online is not exactly heavy on detail,
    http://www.independent.co.uk/
    the printed version might be better.....or not?
  • numbercrunchernumbercruncher Posts: 136
    edited January 2015
    YouGov are teasing about something a young voters poll they have in the pipeline... My guess would be that the Greens have overtaken the Tories for second place in that age group...

    https://twitter.com/jantalipinski/status/554663227976851456
    https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/554787670803906560
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @nigel4england
    Therfore the correct answer to how many chesterfeilds they would need is exactly none?
    A nice round number. You can always rely on PB.
  • Smarmeron said:

    @Moses_
    My fault of course, it was another way of asking how many A and E units there were in the Private sector.
    Subtlety is not a strong suit for you, I should have realised.

    I am a broker in the private healthcare market, there are no private hospitals with A&E facilities.
    .. in the UK. Lots in most other Western nations, of course.
    True but I was only referring to the UK.

    A&E in this country do a magnificent job.
  • Speedy said:

    As I said, the Populus and Lord Ashcroft polls were outliers.

    That's my guess. I think the rule we agreed at New Year is still sound - don't get excited unless three successive polls point in the same direction.
    In the next 9 days, we should have

    7 YouGovs, 1 Lord Ashcroft poll, 1 ComRes online poll, 1 Opinium poll, 1 ICM phone poll, 1 Ipsos-Mori poll, 2 Populus polls and a ICM wisdom poll

    Next Monday could be a MegaPollingMonday with 4 polls.
    Soon we will have a problem fitting all those polls in a single thread.
    My ELBOW is going to get a little tired :)
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @nigel4england
    So good is our A and E that the private sector use it when things go wrong.
  • Exciting. Regression to the mean wins!

    Sometimes the foreplay is better than the event, eh?

    A few years ago, my then girlfriend has just left me for a guy from Norfolk.

    She said he's better at foreplay.

    To be fair, I can't compete, he has 8 fingers on each hand

    "Baby, you make me wish I had THREE hands!" - Benny, Total Recall.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited January 2015

    @Moses

    The NHS Trusts bidding to takeover Hinchinbrooke pulled out, leaving the three private bidders.

    It seems that the accountants in the NHS beat those in the Private sector at spotting the financial problems at Hinchinbrooke. Circle lost £5 million, its CEO, its reputation and its share price took a battering.

    Perhaps the private bidders should get better at assessing business propositions!


    So Labour passed on an NHS hospital into the private sector knowing it had already got financial issues as accountancts had spotted. Well that's a very good point you make indeed and I agree.


    Oh but wait.........!

    After some 10 years of Labour "investment" and "protecting the NHS" to the point of the NHS being safe in Labours hands ......

    Why did this hospital even have any financial problems?

    Oh dear, oh dear dear me "from the mouth of babes"


    That's is anyway late night and off

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @TelePolitics: Top economist warns Labour will borrow extra £170 billion http://t.co/YqzpRNUvK0
  • England manager Roy Hodgson has raised eyebrows after failing to vote for winner Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi in the Ballon d'Or ballot.

    Instead, Hodgson plumped for Argentina midfielder Javier Mascherano as the world's best player of 2014.

    Hodgson's other choices were Germany duo Philipp Lahm and Manuel Neuer.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30789863

    I don't know if to laugh or cry.
  • Smarmeron said:

    @nigel4england
    So good is our A and E that the private sector use it when things go wrong.

    If there was no private sector how do you think the NHS would cope with the extra demand?

    I am not aware of any surgeons, consultants or anaethetists that work in the private sector exclusively, think you will find they all work in the NHS, fox can help with that one.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Scott_P
    Was he one of the ones that saw the crash coming, or was he one of the majority who didn't?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    I'm intrigued by item 3 - keeping down the cost of everyday items such as food, energy and travel.

    A major cause of the high cost of food is the cost of transportation, which translates to the eye watering taxes on patrol and diesel, and the high rate of VAT on vehicles, not to mention energy and other taxes to supermarkets.

    Energy - the cost of natural gas is 3 times in the UK what it is in the USA. Petrol costs as above.

    Travel = petrol costs again for driving, plus if you fly, APD, which on a transatlantic round trip ticket is 170 pounds.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @nigel4england
    Very few private hospitals have intensive care units, there is no profit in it, they just dump them on the NHS.
    Market forces and all that?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Smarmeron said:

    @Scott_P
    Was he one of the ones that saw the crash coming, or was he one of the majority who didn't?

    The IFS. I am going to guess not...
  • Smarmeron said:

    @Scott_P
    Was he one of the ones that saw the crash coming, or was he one of the majority who didn't?

    Smarmeron said:

    @Scott_P
    Was he one of the ones that saw the crash coming, or was he one of the majority who didn't?

    I think it was the IFS that warned Brown in 2004 to cut back on the reckless spending so perhaps he was one that saw the crash coming. Where are Blanchflower and Krugman these days, still counting the 5 million unemployed?
  • AndyJS said:

    11 polls this year so far. Averages:

    Lab 33.3%
    Con 32.5%
    UKIP 14.7%
    LD 7.7%
    Greens 6.3%

    ELBOW for last week (first 8 polls)

    Lab 33.3
    Con 32.5
    UKIP 14.5
    LD 7.7
    Grn 6.4
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,458
    Speedy It will be close I think if the GOP pick a moderate, though Hillary could be reelected in a landslide against, say, Cruz

    Numbercruncher As Churchill said 'if you are young and not a socialist you have no heart, if you are middle aged and still a socialist you have no head!'
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited January 2015
    @nigel4england
    You could almost believe that economists pull figures from their anus, and if the boss likes them, they collect a big fat paycheck?
    (note the "almost" please)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited January 2015
    Smarmeron said:

    @nigel4england
    Very few private hospitals have intensive care units, there is no profit in it, they just dump them on the NHS.
    Market forces and all that?

    If you are going to have a private hospital working with the NHS, there has to be a contract. In such a contract costs and services have to be agreed, which presumably would include some sort of subsidy for an ICU. They are essential hospital services.

    The private hospital would probably be able to recoup its costs on most functions, but ER and ICU might need help, but such subsidy would be partially offset by this.
  • Smarmeron said:

    @nigel4england
    Very few private hospitals have intensive care units, there is no profit in it, they just dump them on the NHS.
    Market forces and all that?

    I think you need to clarify that, my local private hospital is not big by any means and they have one, I know because last year my wife was in it for one night.

    To be frank I think you are talking absolute bollocks.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Tim_B
    You mean like they did with those dodgy boob implants?
  • Smarmeron said:

    @Tim_B
    You mean like they did with those dodgy boob implants?

    Can bigger tits be provided by the NHS? Or tummy tucks?
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited January 2015
    Don't blame me, I am only going by that "commie" rag, the Telegraph.
    (the link was posted earlier)
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/11043262/Safety-of-private-hospitals-questioned-as-report-reveals-hundreds-die-unexpectedly.html
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237

    Smarmeron said:

    @nigel4england
    Very few private hospitals have intensive care units, there is no profit in it, they just dump them on the NHS.
    Market forces and all that?

    I think you need to clarify that, my local private hospital is not big by any means and they have one, I know because last year my wife was in it for one night.

    To be frank I think you are talking absolute bollocks.
    I doubt it was an ITU, a HDU perhaps. Which one was it?

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @nigel4england
    Depends on your doctor and how much he wants your custom?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    I can't help myself - last week Chris Christie - lifelong high profile Dallas Cowboys fan - was shown in an awkward hug in the owner's box with Jerry Jones and his son Steven following the Cowboys win over the Detroit Lions.

    This week Christie was at Green Bay for the game against Dallas. Mysteriously there are no pictures of him, with or without his trademark orange sweater.

    Dallas got totally hosed with the reversed call on Dez Bryant's 'catch' at the half yard line - the sports TV networks have talked about nothing else today and almost all think it was a catch.

    Rep. Paul Ryan (Wisconsin) was at the game with his daughter and sent out a tweet afterwards asking if Christie could use a hug now. A+ for chutzpah Congressman!

    Ryan announced today he will not run for prez in 2016. Romney said he's thinking about it.

    I know I'm in a tiny minority, but I have a suspicion that Hillary might not run.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Smarmeron said:

    @Tim_B
    You mean like they did with those dodgy boob implants?

    I have no idea what that means - you'll have to enlarge on that for me.

    What is a 'dodgy' boob implant - I have not kept abreast of this.
  • Tim_B said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @Tim_B
    You mean like they did with those dodgy boob implants?

    I have no idea what that means - you'll have to enlarge on that for me.

    What is a 'dodgy' boob implant - I have not kept abreast of this.
    Careful, you'll make a right tit of yourself!!
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Tim_B
    Top punning!
    For those that need a memory jog, it was the French company that used non medical grade silicone, and quite a few of the private sector surgeries decided it was A. not a problem, or B. it was nothing to do with them gov.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @Tim_B
    You mean like they did with those dodgy boob implants?

    I have no idea what that means - you'll have to enlarge on that for me.

    What is a 'dodgy' boob implant - I have not kept abreast of this.
    Careful, you'll make a right tit of yourself!!
    Maybe the lady in question bought a living bra and it died.

    Maybe she was a swimmer and had trouble with the breast stroke.

    How do you make 4 lbs of fat irresistible? Put a nipple on it.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited January 2015
    Smarmeron said:

    @Tim_B
    Top punning!
    For those that need a memory jog, it was the French company that used non medical grade silicone, and quite a few of the private sector surgeries decided it was A. not a problem, or B. it was nothing to do with them gov.

    You had me at "the french":.....

    Next!
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Do the Tories really want to cede immigration as an election issue to allow the NHS to be the top one?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Socrates said:

    Do the Tories really want to cede immigration as an election issue to allow the NHS to be the top one?

    I'm not there, with all the limitations that implies, but I would have thought that at this minute limits on immigration would be a potential vote winner for the Tories.

    On the other hand the NHS - if Labour starts crowing that they will throw more money at it then it is a vote winner for them.

    I have never understood the 'throwing more money at it' argument - you identify improvements you wish to make, cost them, and plan their implementation, then execute. The money is the last thing to quantify.

    But I'm in a minority again.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,458
    TimB Yes mentioned that, looks like Ryan bowed out after Romney told him he was considering running. Hillary has been plotting to be president her entire adult life, wild horses couldn't drag her away!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    TimB Yes mentioned that, looks like Ryan bowed out after Romney told him he was considering running. Hillary has been plotting to be president her entire adult life, wild horses couldn't drag her away!

    Watching her appearances, there's no energy, no enthusiasm, plus all the baggage as a major member of the Obama team. I was concerned about the age issue, then found out Elizabeth Warren is only 18 months younger than Hillary!

    I have no logical reason for thinking this, just a feeling.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,458
    edited January 2015
    TimB Hillary has always been very dry and calculating, she also got out of the Obama team at the right time. She may not be that charismatic, but she is the most ruthless presidential candidate since Nixon with a political brain to match, and I expect her to win the White House at the second attempt as he did!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    TimB Hillary has always been very dry and calculating, she also got out of the Obama team at the right time. She may not be that charismatic, but she is the most ruthless presidential candidate since Nixon with a political brain to match, and I expect her to win the White House at the second attempt as he did!

    I can't wait for her Checkers speech!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,458
    Indeed, hopefully she will avoid her Watergate, night!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    We're finally here - the first College Football National Championship playoff.

    It's from Cowboys Stadium / AT&T Stadium / Jerry World. It's now been open for for a few years but is still amazingly impressive on TV. I plan to go there this year.

    ESPN is going big on this - 5 different coverages on its 5 networks.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    Indeed, hopefully she will avoid her Watergate, night!

    Her Watergate is Benghazi - it's not going away and the questions are slowly and quietly mounting.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Analysts at Goldman Sachs cut their three-month forecasts for Brent to $42 a barrel from $80 a barrel."

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jan/12/oil-slump-uk-petrol-prices-fall
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,458
    Benghazi was an issue in 2012 too, it did not stop Obama being re-elected, the news agenda has moved on and Hillary is probably the best and toughest candidate to deal with foreign policy challenges on either side of the aisle, goodnight!
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited January 2015
    Speedy said:



    Cameron miraculously energises the youth vote...
    You can make a flier titled "Tories want to ban social media", though that might be slightly misleading since they want to ban only a part of them.
    Until he learns that Yahoo,Gmail, G+ and Facebook are going encrypted this year... the first three have an end-to-end option available now, Facebook will have shortly.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/08/07/yahoo-end-to-end-encryption/
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook/a-continued-commitment-to-security/486790652130

  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited January 2015
    Indigo said:

    Speedy said:



    Cameron miraculously energises the youth vote...
    You can make a flier titled "Tories want to ban social media", though that might be slightly misleading since they want to ban only a part of them.
    Until he learns that Yahoo,Gmail, G+ and Facebook are going encrypted this year... the first three have an end-to-end option available now, Facebook will have shortly.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/08/07/yahoo-end-to-end-encryption/
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook/a-continued-commitment-to-security/486790652130

    Right, so if they actually do it what happens is that overseas tech companies block access to services to people with British IP addresses, and regular British teenagers end up connecting to the net via VPNs or Tor so they can use the same stuff that everybody else is using.

    Meanwhile British tech companies... become overseas tech companies.

    Seriously, I think George Osborne will kill this once he works out what's going on.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Everyone knows it's a mistake to react to a particular terrorist incident with knee-jerk policies like ressurecting the snooper's charter.

    Except, it seems, David Cameron.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited January 2015
    AndyJS said:

    Everyone knows it's a mistake to react to a particular terrorist incident with knee-jerk policies like ressurecting the snooper's charter.

    Except, it seems, David Cameron.

    The hitch is that politically, it's probably not a mistake. I doubt Ed Miliband will dare run against it despite the potential to gee up young voters with "The Tories want to ban Facebook" that Nick Palmer notes upthread.

    People who are paying attention will conclude that David Cameron is a twonk, but generally speaking people who are paying attention have already concluded that David Cameron is a twonk.
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    AndyJS said:

    Everyone knows it's a mistake to react to a particular terrorist incident with knee-jerk policies like ressurecting the snooper's charter.

    Except, it seems, David Cameron.

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