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  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,695
    11 polls this year - average Lab lead = 0.73%.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,517
    Exciting. Regression to the mean wins!

    Sometimes the foreplay is better than the event, eh?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645

    Where's the YouGov, some of us want to go to bed.

    Mrs BJ says I should go in the spare room tonight.

    She claims its the curry smell but I know she is actually scared of the Brummy Muslim reprisals
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    @Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%

    Not much change, so Lord A was an outlier as suspected.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,162

    felix said:

    felix said:

    Pong said:

    GeoffM said:

    My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims

    Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.
    Seriously?

    You think the NHS kills people?
    StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????
    Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.

    In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.
    Thanks to five years of sound govt.
    Why is the care at the only hospital not run by the public sector the worst in the country do you think.

    Coincidence?
    God you are really sad - you choose to ignore the horrors of Stafford under Labour's watch with desperate bleating about a hospital which to all intenets and purposes was privatised by Andy Burnham and whose problems are nowhere near as bad. Get a life.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%

    Kippers tumbling back down after Hebdo blip
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979

    welshowl said:

    GeoffM said:

    My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims

    Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.
    Every health system saves lives.

    The NHS does this in a fair, effective and inexpensive way compared to the US system you trumpet all the time.

    Why don't you move there!!
    I too abhor the U.S. system. It's nuts.

    However, I am seriously concerned by the NHS being " weaponised " and put on an untouchable plinth by shroud wavers. All institutions need to reform ( if only in the case of the NHS due to changing age demographics for example compared to 30 years ago) and I fear we will lose the ability to sensibly and needfully reform if the shroud wavers make it an unreformable sacred cow. That will eventually destroy it and that would be truly awful.
    Any "discussion" of the NHS always turns into NHS vs US. There are 100's of other countries, many with excellent healthcare system, who use neither the UK or US model. It is not a binary choice, both on the funding and provision side of things.
    Sadly I cannot see a discussion, genuine discussion, breaking out anytime soon, as I cannot see the circumstances by which it could emerge. I guess at some point it will be impossible to simply paper over any cracks with money, to avoid seeing which are superficial and which are not, but for all the problems in the news, as the discussion remains so partisan and alternate voices, whether I agree with them or not, would not be heard seriously I am sure, at present the cracks are being ignored in favour of yet more fresh coats of paint being promised.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645
    Tonights YG EICIPM
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,188
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Surely at least a drum roll is in order?

    For yougov?
    Yes, although Nick's comment is much funnier.

    Its pretty sad isn't it when we are looking for Yougov to act as some sort of arbiter?
    Yup. It is. It's a pretty boring one too so I'm signing off for the night.

    (plus Nick is being downright dirty in his posts, which is disturbing me)
  • Exciting. Regression to the mean wins!

    Sometimes the foreplay is better than the event, eh?

    A few years ago, my then girlfriend has just left me for a guy from Norfolk.

    She said he's better at foreplay.

    To be fair, I can't compete, he has 8 fingers on each hand

  • Speedy said:

    @Sun_Politics: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour lead by one: CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%

    Not much change, so Lord A was an outlier as suspected.
    Greens and LDs level pegging again. No sign of an upturn in LD fortunes. Ominous for a party hoping to get 15%+ on GE day.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,979
    MikeL said:

    11 polls this year - average Lab lead = 0.73%.

    Sufficient, unfortunately.

    Night all.
  • As I said, the Populus and Lord Ashcroft polls were outliers.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Tuesday's Times front page:

    Labour plan to borrow risks £170bn extra debt

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7LtK4nCYAAGFoj.jpg

    Ermm the irony of that is that the Tories piled much more than 170 billion in extra debt while in government.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    And now.....
    a cigarette and post coital depression.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,228
    I think out of today's three polls YouGov has it right - Con and Lab virtually tied.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,517

    As I said, the Populus and Lord Ashcroft polls were outliers.

    That's my guess. I think the rule we agreed at New Year is still sound - don't get excited unless three successive polls point in the same direction.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,188

    Where's the YouGov, some of us want to go to bed.

    Mrs BJ says I should go in the spare room tonight.

    She claims its the curry smell but I know she is actually scared of the Brummy Muslim reprisals
    Funny, I've been known to call my own wife by the same name from time to time.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Labour really need to look at that issues table and the proof of how "left-leaning" the public currently are on economic issues, then look at their own mediocre poll ratings and ask themselves questions. There are 3 issues in the public's top 5 where Labour should be making hay if they just sorted out some distinctive policies, yet they're completely squandering the chance by obsessively chasing after the minority 19% who care about the deficit.
  • kle4 said:

    glw said:

    Douglas Carswell MP ‏@DouglasCarswell · 3 mins3 minutes ago
    It is good that Mr Cameron does not want to pass on mega public debt to the next generation. But he needs to tell George, who has doubled it

    The sad thing is Carswell isn't actually stupid, so he most know that statement it disingenuous. Debt would have increased substantially no matter who was in power, the only thing that might have avoided it doing so is a) hyper-austerity which somehow doesn't trash the economy, or b) China-like economic growth being magicked out of thin air.

    Writing such nonsense says a lot more about Carswell than it does the Tories or economics.
    In this case, I must agree. Carswell has gone a bit overboard since he joined UKIP, the passion of the converted, and while I don't personally mind who he chooses to focus his ire upon, some of it seems more calculating than before, when he was very good not appearing so, even when he was.
    What he is not doing is attracting over Conservative MPs that are outside his mates. Is coming across as partisan and u-turning like the worst politicians.
  • I wish somebody would bloody explain that to Cameron...

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    TGOHF said:

    CON 32%, LAB 33%, LD 6%, UKIP 17%, GRN 6%

    Kippers tumbling back down after Hebdo blip
    Yeah, a mightily huge -1.
    Or, the poll generally hasn't shown much change for any party since Saturday.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,228

    Tonights YG EICIPM

    I didn't see but was EICIPM with The Good Lord? Must have been close to EICINPM?

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Newsnight just showed the CH cover.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Evan Davis shows the CH cover on Newsnight.
  • Smarmeron said:

    And now.....
    a cigarette and post coital depression.

    Hand got tired?
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Evan Davies (e or no e??) was not happy showing the cover on Newsnight just now.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,439
    edited January 2015

    As I said, the Populus and Lord Ashcroft polls were outliers.

    That's my guess. I think the rule we agreed at New Year is still sound - don't get excited unless three successive polls point in the same direction.
    In the next 9 days, we should have

    7 YouGovs, 1 Lord Ashcroft poll, 1 ComRes online poll, 1 Opinium poll, 1 ICM phone poll, 1 Ipsos-Mori poll, 2 Populus polls and a ICM wisdom poll

    Next Monday could be a MegaPollingMonday with 4 polls.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @edmundintokyo

    I think this is what in poker circles is called "overplaying your hand"
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,228
    philiph said:

    Evan Davies (e or no e??) was not happy showing the cover on Newsnight just now.

    Perhaps he think's he's going to become a target?

  • I wish somebody would bloody explain that to Cameron...
    He could ask Letwin but that would end up with more confusion and papers lost in parks.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    GIN1138 said:

    philiph said:

    Evan Davies (e or no e??) was not happy showing the cover on Newsnight just now.

    Perhaps he think's he's going to become a target?

    This article is pretty craven in not showing it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30786211
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Yougov named leader turnaround = 5 points.

    33-32 Labour = 34-30 Cameron. (almost Ashcroft and Mori)

    Continuity government coming.

    Tory-LD coalition again.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited January 2015
    @TCPoliticalBetting

    There are only two types of men in the world, w8nkers and liars, which are you?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Thank God that the Tories have an extremely small chance of winning the next election.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,893
    edited January 2015
    Kippers are suffering a slight downward trend, according to the averages. LDs still dire as ever. Green surge unabated (hides from MarkSenior)

    http://goo.gl/9RfFdf
  • philiph said:

    Evan Davies (e or no e??) was not happy showing the cover on Newsnight just now.

    True. He must be missing the Radio job.
  • Smarmeron said:

    @TCPoliticalBetting

    There are only two types of men in the world, w8nkers and liars, which are you?

    One with a friendly lady who looks after me.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    welshowl said:

    glw said:

    DavidL said:

    I would not want to offend many posters on this site by suggesting that joining UKIP seems to involve taking a stupidity pill so I will merely hypothesise that he kept it better hidden before.

    I feel a bit sad for him, he must know that he's now having to say and write a lot of stupid things about his opponents, I do wonder if his heart is really in it or if he's having second thoughts.
    Yeah he's too bright to believe what he's having to spout now I'm sure. Party line stuff.
    'Stuff your party line' was his parting quip wasn't it?

    Look - The emperor has no clothes.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,645
    felix said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    Pong said:

    GeoffM said:

    My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims

    Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.
    Seriously?

    You think the NHS kills people?
    StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????
    Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.

    In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.
    Thanks to five years of sound govt.
    Why is the care at the only hospital not run by the public sector the worst in the country do you think.

    Coincidence?
    God you are really sad - you choose to ignore the horrors of Stafford under Labour's watch with desperate bleating about a hospital which to all intenets and purposes was privatised by Andy Burnham and whose problems are nowhere near as bad. Get a life.
    AB did not appoint Circle in Nov 2011

    I have never defended the standard of care at Stafford

    Circle did a lousy job just admit it.

    Read the CQC report if you don't believe me.

    PB Tories were claiming Hinchinbrooke had been turned round by the private sector they were right turned into a failing hospital.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    As I said, the Populus and Lord Ashcroft polls were outliers.

    That's my guess. I think the rule we agreed at New Year is still sound - don't get excited unless three successive polls point in the same direction.
    In the next 9 days, we should have

    7 YouGovs, 1 Lord Ashcroft poll, 1 ComRes online poll, 1 Opinium poll, 1 ICM phone poll, 1 Ipsos-Mori poll, 2 Populus polls and a ICM wisdom poll

    Next Monday could be a MegaPollingMonday with 4 polls.
    Soon we will have a problem fitting all those polls in a single thread.
  • ashleyashley Posts: 19
    ashcroft is the outlier. populus is in line with trend, albeit with Labour at the top end of MoE.

    ashcroft's polling is all over the place generally, and quite opaque - no-one even seems sure who does his polling for him.

    still, nice to have some interesting polls to give PB a break from the endless obsessive Muslim bashing.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    I wish somebody would bloody explain that to Cameron...

    Cameron seems like he's on a mission to offend every constituency that makes up the conservative coalition.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,517
    edited January 2015


    Cameron miraculously energises the youth vote...
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Smarmeron said:

    @TCPoliticalBetting

    There are only two types of men in the world, w8nkers and liars, which are you?

    Wisdom is knowing when to delegate and who to delegate to.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @ashleyashley
    For some on here it was "bishop bashing day".
    Some are even channeling it subliminally.
  • Speedy said:

    As I said, the Populus and Lord Ashcroft polls were outliers.

    That's my guess. I think the rule we agreed at New Year is still sound - don't get excited unless three successive polls point in the same direction.
    In the next 9 days, we should have

    7 YouGovs, 1 Lord Ashcroft poll, 1 ComRes online poll, 1 Opinium poll, 1 ICM phone poll, 1 Ipsos-Mori poll, 2 Populus polls and a ICM wisdom poll

    Next Monday could be a MegaPollingMonday with 4 polls.
    Soon we will have a problem fitting all those polls in a single thread.
    Tell me about it, feel sorry for Mike, he's going to criticised from all sides for not covering each poll.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited January 2015

    Moses_ said:

    What a surprise ! Err not .

    Don't mention Stafford, Welsh NHS , GPS contacts or AB privatising the only NHS hospital
    ( upsets big John)

    ;-)

    LOL NHS surely an election winning issue for the Tories.

    Not surprising that its not one of their key themes.

    I particularly like the its Burnhams fault that Circle cant run an A&E department line.

    Contract signed November 2011 ripped up January 2015 after disastorous CQC report requires the hospital to go into special measures.

    PMQs should be fun
    Oh big John? ...... I was trying to spare your feelings.

    2011 is irrelevant. You and those just like you really really don't get contracting principles and short listing do you? (Which I might add occurred prior to the 2010 election as you well know).

    Andy Burnham. Labour Minister of health... the only minister ever to have privatised an NHS hospital.

    (Please note I again did not mention NHS Wales, Stafford or ............

    "weaponisation" of anything)

    ;-)


  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited January 2015
    Scott Walker's looking pretty good for GOP nominee about now. Mike Pence also.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,751
    philiph said:

    Evan Davies (e or no e??) was not happy showing the cover on Newsnight just now.

    Evan never looks short of an "e" to me.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    ashley said:

    ashcroft is the outlier. populus is in line with trend, albeit with Labour at the top end of MoE.

    ashcroft's polling is all over the place generally, and quite opaque - no-one even seems sure who does his polling for him.

    The only difference in today's Ashcroft to the previous 6 lies in the LD-Lab numbers in Wales/SW and the Midlands.

    Endlessly criticising the NHS when Labour run it in Wales may well have that effect.
  • felix said:

    felix said:

    Pong said:

    GeoffM said:

    My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims

    Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.
    Seriously?

    You think the NHS kills people?
    StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????
    Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.

    In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.
    Thanks to five years of sound govt.
    Why is the care at the only hospital not run by the public sector the worst in the country do you think.

    Coincidence?
    You really are pathetic, I hate tribal politics and you are one of the worst culprits.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575
    Speedy Yougov is about midway between Ashcroft and populus
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    felix said:

    felix said:

    Pong said:

    GeoffM said:

    My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims

    Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.
    Seriously?

    You think the NHS kills people?
    StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????
    Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.

    In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.
    Thanks to five years of sound govt.
    Why is the care at the only hospital not run by the public sector the worst in the country do you think.

    Coincidence?
    You really are pathetic, I hate tribal politics and you are one of the worst culprits.
    Because it was such a basket case back in 2009 that no NHS trust was willing to take it on.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @nigel4england
    Award yourself 2,000 internetz of the realm!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100



    Cameron miraculously energises the youth vote...
    You can make a flier titled "Tories want to ban social media", though that might be slightly misleading since they want to ban only a part of them.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708



    Cameron miraculously energises the youth vote...
    Never mind the youth vote, at this rate he's going to lose the _bankers_.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    UKIP on almost three times the Lib Dem numbers with YouGov. Surely they should be included in the second debate?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575
    edited January 2015
    Socrates Romney is now looking like running, and probably informed Ryan which is why he is out. With Romney, Christie, Bush, Cruz, Paul and Huckabee all looking potential candidates there may not be much room for Scott Walker and Mike Pence
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy Yougov is about midway between Ashcroft and populus

    Which is why I say that a polling average is much more accurate than any individual poll, in that it smooths outliers.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Speedy
    Unfortunately David wants to spy on the other part.
  • ashleyashley Posts: 19

    felix said:

    felix said:

    Pong said:

    GeoffM said:

    My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims

    Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.
    Seriously?

    You think the NHS kills people?
    StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????
    Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.

    In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.
    Thanks to five years of sound govt.
    Why is the care at the only hospital not run by the public sector the worst in the country do you think.

    Coincidence?
    You really are pathetic, I hate tribal politics and you are one of the worst culprits.
    Like it or not, Cameron's Tories have made a pigs ear of running the NHS.

    They always do, because deep down they just don't like it.

    Using a huge top-down reorganisation to flog massive chunks of it to Tory donors for self-serving ideological reasons was their biggest mistake.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820



    Cameron miraculously energises the youth vote...
    Multiplying large prime numbers is as easy as pi. Working out which two prime numbers have been multiplied together is b*****y difficult. And that is the methodology of the RSA encryption method. (NB If Riemann's hypothesis is proved then there may be a way to quickly factorise numbers - and the algorithm is particularly susceptible in theory to quantum computing technology)
  • Socrates said:

    UKIP on almost three times the Lib Dem numbers with YouGov. Surely they should be included in the second debate?

    All this 30 - 40 LD MPs looks like wishful thinking. 14 weeks to save the Lib Dems before postal votes?
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited January 2015
    "UKIP on almost three times the Lib Dem numbers with YouGov. Surely they should be included in the second debate?"



    Farage has been very reasonable accepting a place in just one.

    UKIP are probably the most eager for the debates to go ahead though, so don't want to give Cameron another excuse.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @faisalislam: Oil at 5.5 year low, Brent crude oil in the $30s per barrel. So less than a third of Scottish Govt independence... http://t.co/zRjw2ueuF8
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Socrates Romney is now looking like running, and probably informed Ryan which is why he is out. With Romney, Christie, Bush, Cruz, Paul and Huckabee all looking potential candidates there may not be much room for Scott Walker and Mike Pence

    Oh no.
    All Americans will scream if they hear from Mitt Romney again.

    Although that might be a strategy by Bush to make himself look more like a human being by sitting next to Romney.
    Anyway no difference for President Hillary, it just might make it easier since both Bush and Romney will destroy each other.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @ashley
    It wasn't so much a mistake, as a gamble that failed to come off.
    Usually after you come out of a recession, things tend to get a lot better fast.
    This would have left Dave in an unassailable position, popular and with, wodges of cash to damp down the fires of discontent.
    You win some, you lose some
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575
    Speedy Agree on that
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,228
    edited January 2015
    ashley said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    Pong said:

    GeoffM said:

    My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims

    Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.
    Seriously?

    You think the NHS kills people?
    StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????
    Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.

    In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.
    Thanks to five years of sound govt.
    Why is the care at the only hospital not run by the public sector the worst in the country do you think.

    Coincidence?
    You really are pathetic, I hate tribal politics and you are one of the worst culprits.
    Like it or not, Cameron's Tories have made a pigs ear of running the NHS.

    They always do, because deep down they just don't like it.

    Using a huge top-down reorganisation to flog massive chunks of it to Tory donors for self-serving ideological reasons was their biggest mistake.
    Clearly the NHS is Labour's strongest (only) position going into the election, but it's very obvious they are going to over-reach themselves and blow it.

    By the end of the election campaign everyone will be sick of hearing about the NHS from Labour - Like The Tories "save the pound" election in 2001...
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893

    Socrates said:

    UKIP on almost three times the Lib Dem numbers with YouGov. Surely they should be included in the second debate?

    All this 30 - 40 LD MPs looks like wishful thinking. 14 weeks to save the Lib Dems before postal votes?

    If Ashcroft's marginals polling is right, the Lib Dems should start to rise when people start thinking about their particular constituency rather than nationally.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575
    edited January 2015
    Speedy Indeed, Romney is now said to want to run to the right of Bush, so he would be the conservative, then moderate, then conservative again candidate
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/romney-moves-to-reassemble-campaign-apparatus-for-2016/2015/01/12/d968592e-9a88-11e4-96cc-e858eba91ced_story.html
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    felix said:

    felix said:

    Pong said:

    GeoffM said:

    My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims

    Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.
    Seriously?

    You think the NHS kills people?
    StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????
    Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.

    In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.
    Thanks to five years of sound govt.
    Burnham put the contract to run Hichingbrooke out to tender in 2009 when its financial failures were so bad that it was threatened with closure.
    When Circle took over, it had debts of £40million, rising by £10million annually with spending of £330,000 a month on locums.
    It was a failing hospital under the NHS.
    Under Circle, Hinchingbrooke had been one of the few hospitals to hit the A&E target of 95 per cent of patients treated within four hours
    It received an award in May for being the best trust in England for quality of care, by data monitoring firm CHKS.
    It has also performed consistently well in the ‘friends and family test’
    The local Clinical Commissioning Group slashed its budget by 6 per cent last year
    At least one of the 35 inspectors is a member of campaign group Keep Our NHS Public
    The local Labour PPC is a doctor there.

    I am afraid the cynic in me is 'beginning to smell a big fat commie rat'.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Socrates said:

    UKIP on almost three times the Lib Dem numbers with YouGov. Surely they should be included in the second debate?

    All this 30 - 40 LD MPs looks like wishful thinking. 14 weeks to save the Lib Dems before postal votes?
    You forget that the 40 LD MP's premise is based on them losing no seats in scotland.
  • ashley said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    Pong said:

    GeoffM said:

    My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims

    Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.
    Seriously?

    You think the NHS kills people?
    StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????
    Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.

    In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.
    Thanks to five years of sound govt.
    Why is the care at the only hospital not run by the public sector the worst in the country do you think.

    Coincidence?
    You really are pathetic, I hate tribal politics and you are one of the worst culprits.
    Like it or not, Cameron's Tories have made a pigs ear of running the NHS.

    They always do, because deep down they just don't like it.

    Using a huge top-down reorganisation to flog massive chunks of it to Tory donors for self-serving ideological reasons was their biggest mistake.
    I'm not a Tory so have no need to defend them, but the constant criticism by BJO is pathetic. Labour and Burnham had the Stafford disgrace on their watch, he was the first Health Minister to privatize a hospital and their current record in Wales is truly shocking.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Continuing to follow the path set out by Ed Miliband risks adding £170 billion to the national debt by 2030, leaving little room for the government to offer emergency help if there is another crisis, according to Paul Johnson, director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies.

    Labour’s plan, in contrast, would mean more borrowing and more risk in the long term, meaning that it could be years before public finances are robust enough to cope with the impact of another economic emergency.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4321633.ece
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy Indeed, Romney is now said to want to run to the right of Bush, so he would be the conservative, then moderate, then conservative again candidate
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/romney-moves-to-reassemble-campaign-apparatus-for-2016/2015/01/12/d968592e-9a88-11e4-96cc-e858eba91ced_story.html

    Its called the 'Carswell Strategy'. (anyone want to draw a cartoon?)
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    The LDs will finish with 25-30.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Flightpath
    "The local Clinical Commissioning Group slashed its budget by 6 per cent last year"
    Yay for local commissioning group.
    They are there to improve the service are they not?
  • Speedy said:

    Socrates said:

    UKIP on almost three times the Lib Dem numbers with YouGov. Surely they should be included in the second debate?

    All this 30 - 40 LD MPs looks like wishful thinking. 14 weeks to save the Lib Dems before postal votes?
    You forget that the 40 LD MP's premise is based on them losing no seats in scotland.
    Are you kidding? That will be the biggest loss of any region!
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Socrates said:

    UKIP on almost three times the Lib Dem numbers with YouGov. Surely they should be included in the second debate?

    All this 30 - 40 LD MPs looks like wishful thinking. 14 weeks to save the Lib Dems before postal votes?
    You have just made a good point there. Not about the LDs - although that may be good.
    But about postal votes.
    How can people complain about a long election campaign when voting starts in just 14 weeks time. It makes another case for getting the debates out of the way early. After the budget.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2015
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy Indeed, Romney is now said to want to run to the right of Bush, so he would be the conservative, then moderate, then conservative again candidate
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/romney-moves-to-reassemble-campaign-apparatus-for-2016/2015/01/12/d968592e-9a88-11e4-96cc-e858eba91ced_story.html

    The weather vane.
    Does he not understand that if he runs for president for a third time having failed miserably in the previous two, that he will ruin his modest political legacy?
    This time he will be facing a bunch of heavyweight governors and senators not some complete unknowns and hasbeens, he will be facing Bush, Huckabee, Paul, Christie, Rubio and God knows else, not Santorum, Gingrich, Bachmann, Cain ect.

    He had an enormous problem winning the nomination in 2012, lost the general election to a weak relatively unpopular guy with a weak economy, and he thinks he can do better in 2016 against Hillary with a booming economy?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2015

    Speedy said:

    Socrates said:

    UKIP on almost three times the Lib Dem numbers with YouGov. Surely they should be included in the second debate?

    All this 30 - 40 LD MPs looks like wishful thinking. 14 weeks to save the Lib Dems before postal votes?
    You forget that the 40 LD MP's premise is based on them losing no seats in scotland.
    Are you kidding? That will be the biggest loss of any region!
    I know, but that's what libdemvoice thought.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The price of Brent Crude has dropped by almost 6% today:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    ashley said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    Pong said:

    GeoffM said:

    My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims

    Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.
    Seriously?

    You think the NHS kills people?
    StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????
    Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.

    In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.
    Thanks to five years of sound govt.
    Why is the care at the only hospital not run by the public sector the worst in the country do you think.

    Coincidence?
    You really are pathetic, I hate tribal politics and you are one of the worst culprits.
    Like it or not, Cameron's Tories have made a pigs ear of running the NHS.

    They always do, because deep down they just don't like it.

    Using a huge top-down reorganisation to flog massive chunks of it to Tory donors for self-serving ideological reasons was their biggest mistake.
    Have you just deployed your 20mm weapon or the 120mm. It hardly looked laser guided.
    The real weapon of mass destruction was in the labour party 2010 manifesto which pledged more privatisation for the NHS and £20 billion of savings within a budget that was not going to increase. Labour said in their manifesto that the NHS was now in receipt of sufficient money.

    Miliband had better be careful he is not firing blanks.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Tonights YG EICIPM

    Sod Yougov.....It's all Lord Ashcroft or nothing.

  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    One good NHS move today - restricting the drugs the Cancer Drugs Fund will fund - but it's still going to cost the taxpayer more for drugs of dubious benefit.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @AndyJS
    You wonder if it is a bit like a tsunami, people staring at the receding sea, while others are running like hell?
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237


    The local Clinical Commissioning Group slashed its budget by 6 per cent last year
    At least one of the 35 inspectors is a member of campaign group Keep Our NHS Public
    The local Labour PPC is a doctor there.

    I am afraid the cynic in me is 'beginning to smell a big fat commie rat'.

    All acute trusts have had their budgets cut for emergency work if they exceed a certain level.

  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    ashley said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    Pong said:

    GeoffM said:

    My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims

    Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.
    Seriously?

    You think the NHS kills people?
    StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????
    Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.

    In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.
    Thanks to five years of sound govt.
    Why is the care at the only hospital not run by the public sector the worst in the country do you think.

    Coincidence?
    You really are pathetic, I hate tribal politics and you are one of the worst culprits.
    Like it or not, Cameron's Tories have made a pigs ear of running the NHS.

    They always do, because deep down they just don't like it.

    Using a huge top-down reorganisation to flog massive chunks of it to Tory donors for self-serving ideological reasons was their biggest mistake.
    I'm not a Tory so have no need to defend them, but the constant criticism by BJO is pathetic. Labour and Burnham had the Stafford disgrace on their watch, he was the first Health Minister to privatize a hospital and their current record in Wales is truly shocking.

    Like I said Big John just does not get or understand a contracting process, AB selected and approved the final three suppliers. All of which were private companies. Why did he select 3 private companies given his stance now?

    1) Did he know they were private companies and went ahead anyway and privatise
    or
    2) he was utterly incompetent and did not know they were private companies?

    In regard to any other hospital outside the public sector? What about the 1000's of other private hospitals up and down the land , AXA , BUPA Etc? We should be seeking that level of delivery for all. Sadly they are brainwashed into thinking there is no other option , arrangement , combination of delivery but the public sector and I'm afraid no end of pointing out the titanic holes in their arguments will make any difference.

    The NHS will not improve under Labour it has been simply weaponsised. Even Balls and Burnham cant agree what is to be spent. Burnham says spend and Balls says not. Confusion , chaos and no plan.


    It will be a replay of Wales. (and Stafford)
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Smarmeron said:

    @Flightpath
    "The local Clinical Commissioning Group slashed its budget by 6 per cent last year"
    Yay for local commissioning group.
    They are there to improve the service are they not?

    'sniff sniff' Night Night.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575
    Flightpath I think you got it right then

    Speedy Not forgetting his classic 'I was an independent during Reagan Bush' line when running for governor in Massachusetts, followed by his 'I am severely conservative' in 2012 when trying to convince GOP primary voters. I agree with your comments, and I doubt his children will want to see their inheritance further eroded either. However, to be fair to him he is the only GOP contendor to have led Hillary in a recent national poll, albeit only by 1% with Quinnipiac. Nixon is the only postwar candidate to lose a US general election and then go on to win the presidency, but Hillary looks more like a Nixon comeback after 2008 than Mitt!
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Moses_
    Leather chesterfields in the AE waiting room? How many would they need?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2015
    AndyJS said:

    The price of Brent Crude has dropped by almost 6% today:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/

    There is a 2 million barrel per day oversupply, until production and consumption closes that gap oil will continue to fall.
    And the US still recorded an increase in oil output recently, most of it extracted now at a loss, so many american oil companies will go bust soon if production doesn't fall by 1.5 million barrels per day by years end.

    I thought a few months ago that oil will fall to 40$ a barrel, seeing that american oil companies are willing to increase production even if they lose money, i'm revising my prediction to free (well almost free) oil per barrel (because storage costs will outway the sales price so they will start pleading for buyers at any price).

    In theory the price of oil can fall to almost 0$, however the price will fall until production collapses, and that is mostly determined now by how much cash oil companies have.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    I do hope that Lord Ashcroft continues to fund opinion polls after the general election - his results to date have rarely failed to be interesting.
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Moses_ said:



    In regard to any other hospital outside the public sector? What about the 1000's of other private hospitals up and down the land , AXA , BUPA Etc? We should be seeking that level of delivery for all. Sadly they are brainwashed into thinking there is no other option , arrangement , combination of delivery but the public sector and I'm afraid no end of pointing out the titanic holes in their arguments will make any difference.

    Moses takes off your blinkers which are blinding you into thinking, private sector good, public sector bad.

    What makes you think that it's all sweetness and light in the private sector. I'm sure none of us would be expecting care like this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/11043262/Safety-of-private-hospitals-questioned-as-report-reveals-hundreds-die-unexpectedly.html
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    ashley said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    Pong said:

    GeoffM said:

    My night out in Birmingham survived without a single Fatwa despite us all being non muslims

    Yes, instead you worship the NHS which is another religion that kills people.
    Seriously?

    You think the NHS kills people?
    StaffordStaffordStaffordStaffordStafford ..... got it????
    Hinchinbrooke much more topical on the soil yourself front.

    In fact its the only inadequate hospital currently according to CQC.
    Thanks to five years of sound govt.
    Why is the care at the only hospital not run by the public sector the worst in the country do you think.

    Coincidence?
    You really are pathetic, I hate tribal politics and you are one of the worst culprits.
    Like it or not, Cameron's Tories have made a pigs ear of running the NHS.

    They always do, because deep down they just don't like it.

    Using a huge top-down reorganisation to flog massive chunks of it to Tory donors for self-serving ideological reasons was their biggest mistake.
    Which bits were flogged to donors?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2015
    HYUFD said:

    Flightpath I think you got it right then

    Speedy Not forgetting his classic 'I was an independent during Reagan Bush' line when running for governor in Massachusetts, followed by his 'I am severely conservative' in 2012 when trying to convince GOP primary voters. I agree with your comments, and I doubt his children will want to see their inheritance further eroded either. However, to be fair to him he is the only GOP contendor to have led Hillary in a recent national poll, albeit only by 1% with Quinnipiac. Nixon is the only postwar candidate to lose a US general election and then go on to win the presidency, but Hillary looks more like a Nixon comeback after 2008 than Mitt!

    It's over, Hillary will win 2016 by the biggest margin for an election since either 1988 or 1996.
    The GOP contest is of an interest only to see who will get the blame for losing in a landslide.

    Goodnight.
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