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More bad news out of America – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,358
edited March 5 in General
More bad news out of America – politicalbetting.com

For gamblers 538 was an essential website as it allowed you deal with the plethora of polls that are published in America and see the trends and the historical trends.

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,830
    First?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,830
    edited March 5
    Second, like Trump and Kemi next time, on a good night.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,830
    Third, like Kemi, more probably.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,830
    I would come up with something for fourth, but it’s starting to feel greedy
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,111
    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,830
    edited March 5
    As for fifth, I wouldn’t even think of it. Especially when being sixth.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,982
    The virtual "town halls" are attracting huge numbers of people joining - up to 20,000.

    That's a lot of paid Democrat activists, JD....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,982
    Henry!

    Be worried, wifey...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,301
    A nu-538 feels like a very patreonable niche.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,111

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,542
    edited March 5
    IanB2 said:

    Third, like Kemi, more probably.

    I missed PMQs, and not much analysis to catch up on here. PoliticoEu gives the win to Kemi. Apparently she was supportive but won some impressive late barbs with each of her statements making Starmer look foolish. Apparently Victoria Atkins did well too.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,159
    FPT

    ‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’

    - Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    As I understand it, nobody wants to see Trump's cock. So it is understandable that "what excellent clothes you are wearing" has become ubiquitous.

    And what a shocker - MAGA think that dissenters in Congress should be legally sanctioned. How do you ensure that you have a majority in the rump parliament? Remove the people who disagree with you!

    Then you can abolish it. With Trump already ruling by decree there is little purpose left in having it.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,002
    US services beats expectations. Dows up. All good boys !
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,542

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    If autocracy wins out, one could argue these media sources are being pragmatic.

    It doesn't look like the Constitution survives Trump 2. He owns Scotus and Congress already so Government by Executive Order it is.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    Jeff Bezos in particular receives a chunk of government money for his Blue Origin rockets. In return, he donated $1 million to Trump and paid $28 million to Melania for a documentary.

    Trump has already excluded some mainstream news organisations from White House press briefings, and taken direct control of the White House press pool, as Putin did in Moscow. Press conferences are increasingly dominated by questions from once-fringe MAGA supporting outlets, in a move presaged by Little Britain (40 seconds video):-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/d9CQRinbxLo

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,830
    Sea fog rolling in from the Channel this afternoon
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,766
    TBF there are possibly no further political results in America to gamble on.

    Unless you are the sort willing to bet on Kim Jong-un's favourability rating.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,542
    edited March 5

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    As I understand it, nobody wants to see Trump's cock. So it is understandable that "what excellent clothes you are wearing" has become ubiquitous.

    And what a shocker - MAGA think that dissenters in Congress should be legally sanctioned. How do you ensure that you have a majority in the rump parliament? Remove the people who disagree with you!

    Then you can abolish it. With Trump already ruling by decree there is little purpose left in having it.
    Apparently it is very small. Some say like a button mushroom.

    I suspect Trump's model of Government is Sicily in the 1970s.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,829

    Leon said:

    Why Democracy is Doomed

    40% of Britons have not read A SINGLE BOOK in the last yeat

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1897246860118757758/photo/1

    Fighting Fantasy related:

    The Dungeon On Blood Island (actual gamebook)
    You Is The Hero
    Magic Realms
    Dice Men

    Railway related:

    St Pancras To Barking
    Birmingham & West Midlands Rail Atlas
    I know Ian Livingston, and he's super nice guy. He and Steve Jackson have a band (the Jackson Four) that play pubs around Richmond.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    IanB2 said:

    Sea fog rolling in from the Channel this afternoon

    Continent isolated.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313

    IanB2 said:

    Sea fog rolling in from the Channel this afternoon

    Continent isolated.
    America feared lost altogether.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,829
    Foss said:

    A nu-538 feels like a very patreonable niche.

    It exists:

    Nate Silver started The Silver Bulletin after he left 538.

    And it has the same election model, but not currently the same visible polling database. That said, given he has to collect the polling data for the model, I presume it's only a small amount of work for him to add them to the site.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,460

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    Jeff Bezos in particular receives a chunk of government money for his Blue Origin rockets. In return, he donated $1 million to Trump and paid $28 million to Melania for a documentary.

    Trump has already excluded some mainstream news organisations from White House press briefings, and taken direct control of the White House press pool, as Putin did in Moscow. Press conferences are increasingly dominated by questions from once-fringe MAGA supporting outlets, in a move presaged by Little Britain (40 seconds video):-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/d9CQRinbxLo

    Blue Origin has relatively few launch contracts with the Government. It is doing some lunar lander work for NASA.

    The big one, for Bezos, is AWS and it’s usage by the Federal Government.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,111

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    Jeff Bezos in particular receives a chunk of government money for his Blue Origin rockets. In return, he donated $1 million to Trump and paid $28 million to Melania for a documentary.

    Trump has already excluded some mainstream news organisations from White House press briefings, and taken direct control of the White House press pool, as Putin did in Moscow. Press conferences are increasingly dominated by questions from once-fringe MAGA supporting outlets, in a move presaged by Little Britain (40 seconds video):-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/d9CQRinbxLo

    There is no obligation for media organisations to carry Trump's press conferences. If he excludes them, they are at liberty to exclude him.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,653

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    I think David Herdson's characteristicly good judgment may have been too kind here. I think that huge numbers of people in the media of all sorts have good reason to think that upsetting Trump is a sub-optimal move and for some even dangerous. This will have both conscious and unconscious effects.

    I cannot think of a properly authoritarian state with a properly free media.

    Things change fast. In December 2024, 10 weeks ago, Canada, Greenland and Denmark were exceedingly boring democracies with no enemies and our Suffolk airfields were full of the planes and forces of an unambiguously friendly power.

    What happens in the next 10 weeks? No idea. But a Reichstag Fire moment sometime in the next 18 months is not out of the question.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,301

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    Jeff Bezos in particular receives a chunk of government money for his Blue Origin rockets. In return, he donated $1 million to Trump and paid $28 million to Melania for a documentary.

    Trump has already excluded some mainstream news organisations from White House press briefings, and taken direct control of the White House press pool, as Putin did in Moscow. Press conferences are increasingly dominated by questions from once-fringe MAGA supporting outlets, in a move presaged by Little Britain (40 seconds video):-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/d9CQRinbxLo

    There is no obligation for media organisations to carry Trump's press conferences. If he excludes them, they are at liberty to exclude him.
    Tump's people now run the FCC.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,187
    IanB2 said:

    Sea fog rolling in from the Channel this afternoon

    The continent is cut off.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822

    IanB2 said:

    Sea fog rolling in from the Channel this afternoon

    The continent is cut off.
    Not as disastrously as South Africa's batting...
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,998
    algarkirk said:

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    I think David Herdson's characteristicly good judgment may have been too kind here. I think that huge numbers of people in the media of all sorts have good reason to think that upsetting Trump is a sub-optimal move and for some even dangerous. This will have both conscious and unconscious effects.

    I cannot think of a properly authoritarian state with a properly free media.

    Things change fast. In December 2024, 10 weeks ago, Canada, Greenland and Denmark were exceedingly boring democracies with no enemies and our Suffolk airfields were full of the planes and forces of an unambiguously friendly power.

    What happens in the next 10 weeks? No idea. But a Reichstag Fire moment sometime in the next 18 months is not out of the question.

    My guess is on a US/Russia-backed coup against Zelensky or his assassination.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,701
    edited March 5
    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Useful idiots for Trump continue to reverse ferret, except afaics for Nonny-Nonny-Nigel. And I bet the Leeanderthal Man too, but I haven't checked.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,701

    algarkirk said:

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    I think David Herdson's characteristicly good judgment may have been too kind here. I think that huge numbers of people in the media of all sorts have good reason to think that upsetting Trump is a sub-optimal move and for some even dangerous. This will have both conscious and unconscious effects.

    I cannot think of a properly authoritarian state with a properly free media.

    Things change fast. In December 2024, 10 weeks ago, Canada, Greenland and Denmark were exceedingly boring democracies with no enemies and our Suffolk airfields were full of the planes and forces of an unambiguously friendly power.

    What happens in the next 10 weeks? No idea. But a Reichstag Fire moment sometime in the next 18 months is not out of the question.

    My guess is on a US/Russia-backed coup against Zelensky or his assassination.

    I think Z may be even more careful with his security than before. It's a good job Kyiv has all those bombproof tube stations.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,830

    IanB2 said:

    Sea fog rolling in from the Channel this afternoon

    The continent is cut off.
    And North Island too, I suspect. We've had no mail delivery today because the late ferry was cancelled yesterday due fog.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,251

    Good afternoon

    They say events shape politics but if we cast our minds back to 2019 and Johnson's win we have since had Brexit, covid, war in Ukraine and now Trump

    These events have huge implications for politics, economics, and even the peace and personally I am struggling with so much that apart from Reform, who I have absolutely no time for, I believe we should strive for more concensus going forward and seek to support our leaders and our country

    Starmer has done well and should gain in the polls, but it remains to be seen just how this all effects Farage and Reform

    I expect a Labour poll bounce and certainly an improvement in Starmer's ratings, but as has been said the next election is 4 years away and goodness knows where we will be by then

    Maybe we just need to wish Starmer, Macron and other leaders well as they struggle with a dangerous narcissistic Trump who is attempting to change the world order to a frightening degree and with unknown consequences

    What a time to be alive (care off my pacemaker. !!!! )

    TBH I suspect that cuts in Welfare might be more significant as far as the Great British Public is concerned.
    I suspect that the Triple Lock will go!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,189

    algarkirk said:

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    I think David Herdson's characteristicly good judgment may have been too kind here. I think that huge numbers of people in the media of all sorts have good reason to think that upsetting Trump is a sub-optimal move and for some even dangerous. This will have both conscious and unconscious effects.

    I cannot think of a properly authoritarian state with a properly free media.

    Things change fast. In December 2024, 10 weeks ago, Canada, Greenland and Denmark were exceedingly boring democracies with no enemies and our Suffolk airfields were full of the planes and forces of an unambiguously friendly power.

    What happens in the next 10 weeks? No idea. But a Reichstag Fire moment sometime in the next 18 months is not out of the question.

    My guess is on a US/Russia-backed coup against Zelensky or his assassination.

    I rather doubt that.
    It's not as though Russia hasn't been making strenuous efforts for several years.

    Unless Europe is about to abandon Ukraine, there's no good motivation to turn anyone who hadn't already been turned.

    On that score, we had better resist, as and when this comes.
    Wait for it, Trump will be twisting Europe’s arms to abandon Ukraine as well entirely...
    https://x.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1897275086442504310
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,701

    Good afternoon

    They say events shape politics but if we cast our minds back to 2019 and Johnson's win we have since had Brexit, covid, war in Ukraine and now Trump

    These events have huge implications for politics, economics, and even the peace and personally I am struggling with so much that apart from Reform, who I have absolutely no time for, I believe we should strive for more concensus going forward and seek to support our leaders and our country

    Starmer has done well and should gain in the polls, but it remains to be seen just how this all effects Farage and Reform

    I expect a Labour poll bounce and certainly an improvement in Starmer's ratings, but as has been said the next election is 4 years away and goodness knows where we will be by then

    Maybe we just need to wish Starmer, Macron and other leaders well as they struggle with a dangerous narcissistic Trump who is attempting to change the world order to a frightening degree and with unknown consequences

    What a time to be alive (care off my pacemaker. !!!! )

    TBH I suspect that cuts in Welfare might be more significant as far as the Great British Public is concerned.
    I suspect that the Triple Lock will go!
    I was a little disappointed at the answer to the Wealth Tax Question.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,279
    edited March 5
    That's just bloody typical !!

    New Zealand on course to win the Champions Trophy semi final so a nice bet landed at Evens.

    My 22/1 play on Williamson and van der Dussen to be the respective top scorers fails because although Williamson scored 102, Ravendra scored 108.

    I hope that's the end of my misfortune with Cheltenham next week....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,002
    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sea fog rolling in from the Channel this afternoon

    The continent is cut off.
    Not as disastrously as South Africa's batting...
    South Africa as ever looked great in the group stages before the inevitable choke.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,189
    These are fine words, but what if Trump insists ?
    ...I have always been clear that we need to ensure that the US, the UK, Europe and Ukraine, are working together, but we must not choose between the US and Europe.
    We never have historically, and we’re not going to do so now...
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,998
    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    I think David Herdson's characteristicly good judgment may have been too kind here. I think that huge numbers of people in the media of all sorts have good reason to think that upsetting Trump is a sub-optimal move and for some even dangerous. This will have both conscious and unconscious effects.

    I cannot think of a properly authoritarian state with a properly free media.

    Things change fast. In December 2024, 10 weeks ago, Canada, Greenland and Denmark were exceedingly boring democracies with no enemies and our Suffolk airfields were full of the planes and forces of an unambiguously friendly power.

    What happens in the next 10 weeks? No idea. But a Reichstag Fire moment sometime in the next 18 months is not out of the question.

    My guess is on a US/Russia-backed coup against Zelensky or his assassination.

    I rather doubt that.
    It's not as though Russia hasn't been making strenuous efforts for several years.

    Unless Europe is about to abandon Ukraine, there's no good motivation to turn anyone who hadn't already been turned.

    On that score, we had better resist, as and when this comes.
    Wait for it, Trump will be twisting Europe’s arms to abandon Ukraine as well entirely...
    https://x.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1897275086442504310

    It would suit the US as much as the Russian for Zelenskyy to be out of the way. And the Americans have much better intelligence on his movements. After all, they were a key Ukrainian ally until a few weeks ago.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,251
    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sea fog rolling in from the Channel this afternoon

    The continent is cut off.
    Not as disastrously as South Africa's batting...
    Miller's still there, but I suspect he's now potentially short of partners.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,279
    Pulpstar said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sea fog rolling in from the Channel this afternoon

    The continent is cut off.
    Not as disastrously as South Africa's batting...
    South Africa as ever looked great in the group stages before the inevitable choke.
    No, they didn't with respect.

    They only beat England and Afghanistan - the match against Australia was rained off without a ball bowled. The Afghans looked to be on the wrong end of it against Australia when the rain came.

    New Zealand did really well in defeat against India and with the final in Dubai on a pitch which will suit the Indian spinners, they face a big ask.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,821
    Nigelb said:

    These are fine words, but what if Trump insists ?
    ...I have always been clear that we need to ensure that the US, the UK, Europe and Ukraine, are working together, but we must not choose between the US and Europe.
    We never have historically, and we’re not going to do so now...

    I’d be happy if the UK told Trump and his cronies to get lost . I’ll happily pay more tax if it means we don’t continue to be a US lapdog .
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,505
    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    These are fine words, but what if Trump insists ?
    ...I have always been clear that we need to ensure that the US, the UK, Europe and Ukraine, are working together, but we must not choose between the US and Europe.
    We never have historically, and we’re not going to do so now...

    I’d be happy if the UK told Trump and his cronies to get lost . I’ll happily pay more tax if it means we don’t continue to be a US lapdog .
    I'm almost certain that the UK will do everything it can to try and keep America active in NATO. But as we saw at the weekend is also going to take a lead in rearming Europe.

    These are not incompatible. Murica thinks Europe should defend itself more, so Europe stepping up should be welcomed by MAGA. But it won't be as Europe will be planning to spend money on its own defence industries.

    MAGA thinks it can cut Europe off and dismember NATO - which will scare Europe into buying more weapons from America. That is not going to happen.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    edited March 5
    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    Jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,769

    Good afternoon

    They say events shape politics but if we cast our minds back to 2019 and Johnson's win we have since had Brexit, covid, war in Ukraine and now Trump

    These events have huge implications for politics, economics, and even the peace and personally I am struggling with so much that apart from Reform, who I have absolutely no time for, I believe we should strive for more concensus going forward and seek to support our leaders and our country

    Starmer has done well and should gain in the polls, but it remains to be seen just how this all effects Farage and Reform

    I expect a Labour poll bounce and certainly an improvement in Starmer's ratings, but as has been said the next election is 4 years away and goodness knows where we will be by then

    Maybe we just need to wish Starmer, Macron and other leaders well as they struggle with a dangerous narcissistic Trump who is attempting to change the world order to a frightening degree and with unknown consequences

    What a time to be alive (care off my pacemaker. !!!! )

    TBH I suspect that cuts in Welfare might be more significant as far as the Great British Public is concerned.
    I suspect that the Triple Lock will go!
    I am sure we both agree it should
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 848

    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    I think David Herdson's characteristicly good judgment may have been too kind here. I think that huge numbers of people in the media of all sorts have good reason to think that upsetting Trump is a sub-optimal move and for some even dangerous. This will have both conscious and unconscious effects.

    I cannot think of a properly authoritarian state with a properly free media.

    Things change fast. In December 2024, 10 weeks ago, Canada, Greenland and Denmark were exceedingly boring democracies with no enemies and our Suffolk airfields were full of the planes and forces of an unambiguously friendly power.

    What happens in the next 10 weeks? No idea. But a Reichstag Fire moment sometime in the next 18 months is not out of the question.

    My guess is on a US/Russia-backed coup against Zelensky or his assassination.

    I rather doubt that.
    It's not as though Russia hasn't been making strenuous efforts for several years.

    Unless Europe is about to abandon Ukraine, there's no good motivation to turn anyone who hadn't already been turned.

    On that score, we had better resist, as and when this comes.
    Wait for it, Trump will be twisting Europe’s arms to abandon Ukraine as well entirely...
    https://x.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1897275086442504310

    It would suit the US as much as the Russian for Zelenskyy to be out of the way. And the Americans have much better intelligence on his movements. After all, they were a key Ukrainian ally until a few weeks ago.

    Where would state-sponsored assassination of the democratically elected leader of Ukraine rank in historical infamy and consequence?

    There is a conflict in style between Putin's gas-lighting with his assassinations and, I'd presume, the US not wanting to be implicated in any way.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Useful idiots for Trump continue to reverse ferret, except afaics for Nonny-Nonny-Nigel. And I bet the Leeanderthal Man too, but I haven't checked.

    Feeble centrist dad likes feeble centrist dad content. Startling
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,982
    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    I think David Herdson's characteristicly good judgment may have been too kind here. I think that huge numbers of people in the media of all sorts have good reason to think that upsetting Trump is a sub-optimal move and for some even dangerous. This will have both conscious and unconscious effects.

    I cannot think of a properly authoritarian state with a properly free media.

    Things change fast. In December 2024, 10 weeks ago, Canada, Greenland and Denmark were exceedingly boring democracies with no enemies and our Suffolk airfields were full of the planes and forces of an unambiguously friendly power.

    What happens in the next 10 weeks? No idea. But a Reichstag Fire moment sometime in the next 18 months is not out of the question.

    My guess is on a US/Russia-backed coup against Zelensky or his assassination.

    I rather doubt that.
    It's not as though Russia hasn't been making strenuous efforts for several years.

    Unless Europe is about to abandon Ukraine, there's no good motivation to turn anyone who hadn't already been turned.

    On that score, we had better resist, as and when this comes.
    Wait for it, Trump will be twisting Europe’s arms to abandon Ukraine as well entirely...
    https://x.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1897275086442504310
    Russia may have made many attempts on Zelinskyy.

    But not with the CIA telling Moscow where he is...
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313
    Leon said:

    I's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    I don't think it's essential that politicians issue statements every time anything happens in the world. Badenoch is doing ok, and Jenrick, to a degree, demonstrating why she was the wiser choice.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,002
    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,159
    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    I think David Herdson's characteristicly good judgment may have been too kind here. I think that huge numbers of people in the media of all sorts have good reason to think that upsetting Trump is a sub-optimal move and for some even dangerous. This will have both conscious and unconscious effects.

    I cannot think of a properly authoritarian state with a properly free media.

    Things change fast. In December 2024, 10 weeks ago, Canada, Greenland and Denmark were exceedingly boring democracies with no enemies and our Suffolk airfields were full of the planes and forces of an unambiguously friendly power.

    What happens in the next 10 weeks? No idea. But a Reichstag Fire moment sometime in the next 18 months is not out of the question.

    My guess is on a US/Russia-backed coup against Zelensky or his assassination.

    I hope that a coup would be difficult to pull off, because the easily bought people were bought prior to the invasion.

    But I wouldn't be surprised if that was attempted.

    And which is why I believe that European support for Ukraine is so essential. The Ukrainians have to feel that there's a path to victory, even if the US is not involved.

    Plus, the more support we give to Ukraine, and the more likely they are to win, the harder it is for Trump to back Russia. Because above all, he doesn't want to be a loser. To withdraw support, to lose the minerals deal, and then for Russia to fail... Well, he would be shown to be on the losing side.
    He lost in 2020 :lol:
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,982
    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    I think David Herdson's characteristicly good judgment may have been too kind here. I think that huge numbers of people in the media of all sorts have good reason to think that upsetting Trump is a sub-optimal move and for some even dangerous. This will have both conscious and unconscious effects.

    I cannot think of a properly authoritarian state with a properly free media.

    Things change fast. In December 2024, 10 weeks ago, Canada, Greenland and Denmark were exceedingly boring democracies with no enemies and our Suffolk airfields were full of the planes and forces of an unambiguously friendly power.

    What happens in the next 10 weeks? No idea. But a Reichstag Fire moment sometime in the next 18 months is not out of the question.

    My guess is on a US/Russia-backed coup against Zelensky or his assassination.

    I hope that a coup would be difficult to pull off, because the easily bought people were bought prior to the invasion.

    But I wouldn't be surprised if that was attempted.

    And which is why I believe that European support for Ukraine is so essential. The Ukrainians have to feel that there's a path to victory, even if the US is not involved.

    Plus, the more support we give to Ukraine, and the more likely they are to win, the harder it is for Trump to back Russia. Because above all, he doesn't want to be a loser. To withdraw support, to lose the minerals deal, and then for Russia to fail... Well, he would be shown to be on the losing side.
    "I'd have won, if it weren't for you pesky Euro-kids...."
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,251

    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    I think David Herdson's characteristicly good judgment may have been too kind here. I think that huge numbers of people in the media of all sorts have good reason to think that upsetting Trump is a sub-optimal move and for some even dangerous. This will have both conscious and unconscious effects.

    I cannot think of a properly authoritarian state with a properly free media.

    Things change fast. In December 2024, 10 weeks ago, Canada, Greenland and Denmark were exceedingly boring democracies with no enemies and our Suffolk airfields were full of the planes and forces of an unambiguously friendly power.

    What happens in the next 10 weeks? No idea. But a Reichstag Fire moment sometime in the next 18 months is not out of the question.

    My guess is on a US/Russia-backed coup against Zelensky or his assassination.

    I hope that a coup would be difficult to pull off, because the easily bought people were bought prior to the invasion.

    But I wouldn't be surprised if that was attempted.

    And which is why I believe that European support for Ukraine is so essential. The Ukrainians have to feel that there's a path to victory, even if the US is not involved.

    Plus, the more support we give to Ukraine, and the more likely they are to win, the harder it is for Trump to back Russia. Because above all, he doesn't want to be a loser. To withdraw support, to lose the minerals deal, and then for Russia to fail... Well, he would be shown to be on the losing side.
    He lost in 2020 :lol:
    No he didn't. He wuz robbed.

    Just ask him, or any of his devoted followers.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    How can they deny a two tier justice system is already in place? White British men go to jail, everyone else gets an easier ride, and white women get it tougher than all other women

    What a repulsive farce. We need a British Trump and I don't give a fuck if he imposes 9000% tariffs on Finland
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,301
    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    I think David Herdson's characteristicly good judgment may have been too kind here. I think that huge numbers of people in the media of all sorts have good reason to think that upsetting Trump is a sub-optimal move and for some even dangerous. This will have both conscious and unconscious effects.

    I cannot think of a properly authoritarian state with a properly free media.

    Things change fast. In December 2024, 10 weeks ago, Canada, Greenland and Denmark were exceedingly boring democracies with no enemies and our Suffolk airfields were full of the planes and forces of an unambiguously friendly power.

    What happens in the next 10 weeks? No idea. But a Reichstag Fire moment sometime in the next 18 months is not out of the question.

    My guess is on a US/Russia-backed coup against Zelensky or his assassination.

    I hope that a coup would be difficult to pull off, because the easily bought people were bought prior to the invasion.

    But I wouldn't be surprised if that was attempted.

    And which is why I believe that European support for Ukraine is so essential. The Ukrainians have to feel that there's a path to victory, even if the US is not involved.

    Plus, the more support we give to Ukraine, and the more likely they are to win, the harder it is for Trump to back Russia. Because above all, he doesn't want to be a loser. To withdraw support, to lose the minerals deal, and then for Russia to fail... Well, he would be shown to be on the losing side.
    They're still periodically pulling Russian assets out of the Ukrainian security apparatus.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,292
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Useful idiots for Trump continue to reverse ferret, except afaics for Nonny-Nonny-Nigel. And I bet the Leeanderthal Man too, but I haven't checked.

    Feeble centrist dad likes feeble centrist dad content. Startling
    Well you could certainly benefit from a little Rory Stewart "explainer" on most topics before posting about them.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,111
    algarkirk said:

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    I think David Herdson's characteristicly good judgment may have been too kind here. I think that huge numbers of people in the media of all sorts have good reason to think that upsetting Trump is a sub-optimal move and for some even dangerous. This will have both conscious and unconscious effects.

    I cannot think of a properly authoritarian state with a properly free media.

    Things change fast. In December 2024, 10 weeks ago, Canada, Greenland and Denmark were exceedingly boring democracies with no enemies and our Suffolk airfields were full of the planes and forces of an unambiguously friendly power.

    What happens in the next 10 weeks? No idea. But a Reichstag Fire moment sometime in the next 18 months is not out of the question.
    It depends on whether the media execs and owners are playing the short or medium game. Short term, upsetting Trump has multiple downsides. However, close to 50% of voters were against him in 2024 so there's still a ready market there and telling the truth has an objective appeal to independents and uninteresteds too. Trump can try and squeeze advertisers and apply pressure through regulators but the First Amendment is still a pretty powerful thing and even Trump will struggle to take a broadcaster off-line entirely - not least because broadcast rights and licences aren't what they were in the 1950s or 1980s: the internet has seen to that.

    To game it the other way, suppose a liberal / neutral outlet decides that its best bet is to transform into USPravda. Where does that take it? It loses much of its existing custom, gains very little new (as MAGA stays tuned to Fox and the like), and trashes its credibility. It might survive as a shell but it's never coming back to what it was: short-term survival and medium-term failure. So even at the risk of short-term failure, the better option for those firms is still to do the right thing and prepare for the hit.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,460
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Useful idiots for Trump continue to reverse ferret, except afaics for Nonny-Nonny-Nigel. And I bet the Leeanderthal Man too, but I haven't checked.

    Feeble centrist dad likes feeble centrist dad content. Startling
    Well you could certainly benefit from a little Rory Stewart "explainer" on most topics before posting about them.
    Does “centrist dad” actually mean “not a ravening conspiracy theorist fascist anti-democrat”?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,292

    Good afternoon

    They say events shape politics but if we cast our minds back to 2019 and Johnson's win we have since had Brexit, covid, war in Ukraine and now Trump

    These events have huge implications for politics, economics, and even the peace and personally I am struggling with so much that apart from Reform, who I have absolutely no time for, I believe we should strive for more concensus going forward and seek to support our leaders and our country

    Starmer has done well and should gain in the polls, but it remains to be seen just how this all effects Farage and Reform

    I expect a Labour poll bounce and certainly an improvement in Starmer's ratings, but as has been said the next election is 4 years away and goodness knows where we will be by then

    Maybe we just need to wish Starmer, Macron and other leaders well as they struggle with a dangerous narcissistic Trump who is attempting to change the world order to a frightening degree and with unknown consequences

    What a time to be alive (care off my pacemaker. !!!! )

    TBH I suspect that cuts in Welfare might be more significant as far as the Great British Public is concerned.
    I suspect that the Triple Lock will go!
    It would probably go tomorrow if the Cons agreed not to oppose.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,251
    The Saffirs target is now 16 runs per over, with 8 wickets down. Miller will give it a go, but, as I suggested earlier, he's going to run out of partners.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Useful idiots for Trump continue to reverse ferret, except afaics for Nonny-Nonny-Nigel. And I bet the Leeanderthal Man too, but I haven't checked.

    Feeble centrist dad likes feeble centrist dad content. Startling
    Well you could certainly benefit from a little Rory Stewart "explainer" on most topics before posting about them.
    "Little Rory Stewart" is a good name for him. Ludicrous, narcissistic, diddy-sized gargoyle that he is
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,897

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Useful idiots for Trump continue to reverse ferret, except afaics for Nonny-Nonny-Nigel. And I bet the Leeanderthal Man too, but I haven't checked.

    Feeble centrist dad likes feeble centrist dad content. Startling
    Well you could certainly benefit from a little Rory Stewart "explainer" on most topics before posting about them.
    Does “centrist dad” actually mean “not a ravening conspiracy theorist fascist anti-democrat”?
    It's what Blair called "Middle England".
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,460
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    How can they deny a two tier justice system is already in place? White British men go to jail, everyone else gets an easier ride, and white women get it tougher than all other women

    What a repulsive farce. We need a British Trump and I don't give a fuck if he imposes 9000% tariffs on Finland
    Errr…. for many ethnic minorities, the incarceration rate is higher than white British.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,251
    kinabalu said:

    Good afternoon

    They say events shape politics but if we cast our minds back to 2019 and Johnson's win we have since had Brexit, covid, war in Ukraine and now Trump

    These events have huge implications for politics, economics, and even the peace and personally I am struggling with so much that apart from Reform, who I have absolutely no time for, I believe we should strive for more concensus going forward and seek to support our leaders and our country

    Starmer has done well and should gain in the polls, but it remains to be seen just how this all effects Farage and Reform

    I expect a Labour poll bounce and certainly an improvement in Starmer's ratings, but as has been said the next election is 4 years away and goodness knows where we will be by then

    Maybe we just need to wish Starmer, Macron and other leaders well as they struggle with a dangerous narcissistic Trump who is attempting to change the world order to a frightening degree and with unknown consequences

    What a time to be alive (care off my pacemaker. !!!! )

    TBH I suspect that cuts in Welfare might be more significant as far as the Great British Public is concerned.
    I suspect that the Triple Lock will go!
    It would probably go tomorrow if the Cons agreed not to oppose.
    Agree; and as Big G suggested earlier, it should.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    How can they deny a two tier justice system is already in place? White British men go to jail, everyone else gets an easier ride, and white women get it tougher than all other women

    What a repulsive farce. We need a British Trump and I don't give a fuck if he imposes 9000% tariffs on Finland
    Errr…. for many ethnic minorities, the incarceration rate is higher than white British.
    Who gives a fuck. It's not enshrined in law that "they must go to prison more often than white people" is it?

    No, of course it is not

    Yet this will make it a part of the legal system that white people - especially men - by definition will get a harder time and are more likely to go to prison. It enshrines racism in law
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,639
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    How can they deny a two tier justice system is already in place? White British men go to jail, everyone else gets an easier ride, and white women get it tougher than all other women

    What a repulsive farce. We need a British Trump and I don't give a fuck if he imposes 9000% tariffs on Finland
    We do have a two tier justice system. It’s a system that disproportionately imprisons ethnic minorities, especially of Afro-Caribbean background, for the same offences over white defendants. There is a clear direct association between ethnicity and the odds of receiving a custodial sentence. People from Black, Asian, and ‘Chinese or other’ backgrounds are more likely to be sent to prison at the Crown Court. That is a statistically verifiable fact. Black and Asian people in prison are more likely to be serving longer sentences than other groups and serve a greater proportion of their determinate sentence in custody than white people.

    https://www.sentencingacademy.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Ethnicity-and-Custodial-Sentencing-1.pdf

    However, to you that unfairness appears to be a feature not a bug. Or likely you’ll dismiss it altogether.

    The reason that these PSRs are asked for is expressly to address the fact that black males, especially, are sentenced to prison more than their white counterparts. The disingenuous nonsense you copy paste misstates the purpose of PSRs - they are certainly not an attempt by the probation service to consider options other than prison. That’s for the judge. They’re essentially a background report. They are a small attempt to fix a problem.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    How can they deny a two tier justice system is already in place? White British men go to jail, everyone else gets an easier ride, and white women get it tougher than all other women

    What a repulsive farce. We need a British Trump and I don't give a fuck if he imposes 9000% tariffs on Finland
    We do have a two tier justice system. It’s a system that disproportionately imprisons ethnic minorities, especially of Afro-Caribbean background, for the same offences over white defendants. There is a clear direct association between ethnicity and the odds of receiving a custodial sentence. People from Black, Asian, and ‘Chinese or other’ backgrounds are more likely to be sent to prison at the Crown Court. That is a statistically verifiable fact. Black and Asian people in prison are more likely to be serving longer sentences than other groups and serve a greater proportion of their determinate sentence in custody than white people.

    https://www.sentencingacademy.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Ethnicity-and-Custodial-Sentencing-1.pdf

    However, to you that unfairness appears to be a feature not a bug. Or likely you’ll dismiss it altogether.

    The reason that these PSRs are asked for is expressly to address the fact that black males, especially, are sentenced to prison more than their white counterparts. The disingenuous nonsense you copy paste misstates the purpose of PSRs - they are certainly not an attempt by the probation service to consider options other than prison. That’s for the judge. They’re essentially a background report. They are a small attempt to fix a problem.
    You don't address one unfairness - if it exists - by creating one that is far worse: ie by officially putting into law racist, anti-white custodial policies
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,129
    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Stewart and Campbell made their names serving American interests so you can see why they might feel particularly betrayed, but it does cast doubt on their ability to analyse the situation rationally.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,318
    ydoethur said:

    I've just had a surreal experience.

    Blamelessly watching Cricinfo when suddenly my own photo appeared on the page.

    I should stress, I haven't started playing cricket - it was an advert for a tutoring agency I work for!

    Which previous Doctor popped up? Capaldi was an actual lecturer, Tennant did teaching briefly...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    How are they going to deal with mixed race convicts? Do they get the special "go to jail whitey" treatment, or does a certain amount of "ethnicity" mean they are spared a prison term? How much "ethnic blood" do they need to get the nice treatment? 30%, 20%? One drop?

    How will the courts determine this ethnicity? Perhaps they can use a pencil test to check the frizziness of the hair

    However, given that the official state position is that race "is a social construct" and has no biological reality whatsoever, I guess we can all claim we are Romanian Zulus, and get no jail time at all
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,460
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    How can they deny a two tier justice system is already in place? White British men go to jail, everyone else gets an easier ride, and white women get it tougher than all other women

    What a repulsive farce. We need a British Trump and I don't give a fuck if he imposes 9000% tariffs on Finland
    Errr…. for many ethnic minorities, the incarceration rate is higher than white British.
    Who gives a fuck. It's not enshrined in law that "they must go to prison more often than white people" is it?

    No, of course it is not

    Yet this will make it a part of the legal system that white people - especially men - by definition will get a harder time and are more likely to go to prison. It enshrines racism in law
    No. It’s about gathering more data.

    Lots of questions are being asked about *why* there is such a discrepancy.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822

    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Stewart and Campbell made their names serving American interests so you can see why they might feel particularly betrayed, but it does cast doubt on their ability to analyse the situation rationally.
    An old woman in the Scottish Highlands was walking her grandchildren to kirk on a Sunday. The Catholic priest overtakes them riding his horse at a gentle canter.

    'Tsk! Sich behaviour on the Lord's day,' she said disdainfully, and turning to her grandchildren said, 'A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel, Proverbs 12: 10.'

    Soon after galloping hooves are heard, and the minister of the kirk overtakes them. He's lashing his beast furiously and the poor horse is in a lather, nearly spent, as it tries to keep up with the demands of the rider.

    'Ah,' she breathes, 'see how that noble man desires to worship Our Lord!' And turning to her grandchildren she says, 'Let us go speedily to pray before the LORD, and to seek the LORD of hosts: I will go also, Zechariah, 8:21.'
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    Jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    The Jenrick intervention video clip came after PMQs. Jenrick is Shadow Justice Secretary aka Shadow Lord Chancellor. He was questioning the Justice Secretary. That particular matter you reference was tacked onto the end by Jenrick who has then clipped it out of context. He has, understandably, also not included the answer.
    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2025-03-05/debates/04627A5E-E10E-4D14-98EF-9164949B89F4/CourtsAndTribunalsSittingDays



  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,982
    Leon said:

    How are they going to deal with mixed race convicts?

    Get sent to a half-way house?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,982

    IanB2 said:

    Sea fog rolling in from the Channel this afternoon

    The continent is cut off.
    Brexit bonus...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,868
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Useful idiots for Trump continue to reverse ferret, except afaics for Nonny-Nonny-Nigel. And I bet the Leeanderthal Man too, but I haven't checked.

    Feeble centrist dad likes feeble centrist dad content. Startling
    Well you could certainly benefit from a little Rory Stewart "explainer" on most topics before posting about them.
    "Little Rory Stewart" is a good name for him. Ludicrous, narcissistic, diddy-sized gargoyle that he is
    Even at that, he's still 1,000 times more a man than you.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,900
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    How is this justifiable ?

    What makes being a minority and being religious a mitigating factor for any crime ?

    I’d like to know the rationale for this as on the surface it seems barmy.

    Of course it means anyone who commits a crime can simply claim to be religious to get a lower sentence.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,768
    ooof

    "Captain America 4: Brave New World" is falling off fast. It might crawl over $400 million worldwide, but that's a bit of a stretch. It was cheap by Marvel standards (budget $180 mill) but when you include worldwide marketing costs it's not going to make a big profit. I assume @Roger or @MarqueeMark knows more about how to calculate profit/loss than me,

    https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons-extended/Captain-America-Brave-New-World-(2025)/Captain-America-The-First-Avenger/Captain-America-The-Winter-Soldier#tab=day_by_day_comparison
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    How can they deny a two tier justice system is already in place? White British men go to jail, everyone else gets an easier ride, and white women get it tougher than all other women

    What a repulsive farce. We need a British Trump and I don't give a fuck if he imposes 9000% tariffs on Finland
    Errr…. for many ethnic minorities, the incarceration rate is higher than white British.
    Who gives a fuck. It's not enshrined in law that "they must go to prison more often than white people" is it?

    No, of course it is not

    Yet this will make it a part of the legal system that white people - especially men - by definition will get a harder time and are more likely to go to prison. It enshrines racism in law
    No. It’s about gathering more data.

    Lots of questions are being asked about *why* there is such a discrepancy.
    No, this is a sentencing policy coming into operation in April, it is not a study or an analysis, this is happening
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,740
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    What happened to the blindfold on justice? All are equal before the law is such a fundamental principle that I cannot believe it has been so casually abandoned. This is really quite shocking so what is the justification for it? Historically, statistical evidence suggested that you were more likely to end up in jail if you were from an ethnic minority.
    https://prisonreformtrust.org.uk/project/race/#:~:text=There is a clear direct association between ethnicity,be sent to prison at the Crown Court.

    According to this less than impartial source 27% of those who end up in prison are from ethnic minorities which is highly disproportionate. So, my guess is that this policy is to try and ensure that courts do consider alternatives to custody in relation to ethnic minorities.

    I am not comfortable with this: to me the solution is to appoint less racist judges, but I think I can see where they are coming from.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,542

    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    Not always the most reliable of sites and too much editorial discretion exercised but yes, a very valuable asset.

    I find it difficult to believe someone, somewhere won't set up something similar.

    The bigger problem will be reliable polling in Trump's America, given the likely increasing (further) impediments to vote for his opponents.

    Everyone is running scared of retaliations from the Trump regime. ABC can't risk 538 discussing polls showing Trump falling any more than Jeff Bezos can allow the Washington Post – the paper that exposed Watergate – to run columns critical of the Trump White House.
    They are running scared, indeed. I disagree that they cannot risk upsetting Trump (although I'm sure that's what their owners and execs believe).

    But truth will out, one way or another - and people will remember who told it and who said the emperor was beautifully clothed.
    I think David Herdson's characteristicly good judgment may have been too kind here. I think that huge numbers of people in the media of all sorts have good reason to think that upsetting Trump is a sub-optimal move and for some even dangerous. This will have both conscious and unconscious effects.

    I cannot think of a properly authoritarian state with a properly free media.

    Things change fast. In December 2024, 10 weeks ago, Canada, Greenland and Denmark were exceedingly boring democracies with no enemies and our Suffolk airfields were full of the planes and forces of an unambiguously friendly power.

    What happens in the next 10 weeks? No idea. But a Reichstag Fire moment sometime in the next 18 months is not out of the question.

    My guess is on a US/Russia-backed coup against Zelensky or his assassination.

    I rather doubt that.
    It's not as though Russia hasn't been making strenuous efforts for several years.

    Unless Europe is about to abandon Ukraine, there's no good motivation to turn anyone who hadn't already been turned.

    On that score, we had better resist, as and when this comes.
    Wait for it, Trump will be twisting Europe’s arms to abandon Ukraine as well entirely...
    https://x.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1897275086442504310
    Russia may have made many attempts on Zelinskyy.

    But not with the CIA telling Moscow where he is...
    I am assuming when Zelenskyy, Macron and Starmer rock up to Washington in a few days time they take separate transport. Otherwise three Trump/Vance foes for the cost of one Tomahawk.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,289
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Useful idiots for Trump continue to reverse ferret, except afaics for Nonny-Nonny-Nigel. And I bet the Leeanderthal Man too, but I haven't checked.

    Feeble centrist dad likes feeble centrist dad content. Startling
    Your Trump projection is a bit of a giveaway though. The only enemies inside our democracy are those that express such contempt for our democracy,

    However I think we are already seeing the first breath of a storm that within the year could see the US bond and equity markets come crashing down, and quite possibly the USD as a reserve currency with it.

    The level of failure will be so extraordinary that the US may well be unrecognisable, and the name Trump will be down with Quisling, Mussolini or Goebbels in the annals of crime.

    So choose wisely: after this anyone who expressed approval for Trump in the way that you have done will either have to account for that mistake or be derided and shunned.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,251
    Taz said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    How is this justifiable ?

    What makes being a minority and being religious a mitigating factor for any crime ?

    I’d like to know the rationale for this as on the surface it seems barmy.

    Of course it means anyone who commits a crime can simply claim to be religious to get a lower sentence.
    Surely this is only one of our sentencing problems. For a start, why do we send so many people to prison anyway? Does it actually reduce crime? Would we better to spend more (much more) time, money and effort on rehab?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,129
    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Useful idiots for Trump continue to reverse ferret, except afaics for Nonny-Nonny-Nigel. And I bet the Leeanderthal Man too, but I haven't checked.

    Feeble centrist dad likes feeble centrist dad content. Startling
    Your Trump projection is a bit of a giveaway though. The only enemies inside our democracy are those that express such contempt for our democracy,

    However I think we are already seeing the first breath of a storm that within the year could see the US bond and equity markets come crashing down, and quite possibly the USD as a reserve currency with it.

    The level of failure will be so extraordinary that the US may well be unrecognisable, and the name Trump will be down with Quisling, Mussolini or Goebbels in the annals of crime.

    So choose wisely: after this anyone who expressed approval for Trump in the way that you have done will either have to account for that mistake or be derided and shunned.
    Ironically this kind of wishcasting about America collapsing in a similar way to Russia in the 1990s is a staple of Kremlin propaganda.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,292

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Useful idiots for Trump continue to reverse ferret, except afaics for Nonny-Nonny-Nigel. And I bet the Leeanderthal Man too, but I haven't checked.

    Feeble centrist dad likes feeble centrist dad content. Startling
    Well you could certainly benefit from a little Rory Stewart "explainer" on most topics before posting about them.
    Does “centrist dad” actually mean “not a ravening conspiracy theorist fascist anti-democrat”?
    Ha, yes, it pretty much does these days. Tell you what, Centrist Dads are vastly preferable to people who make a big deal of mocking them. Bit like the "liberal elite". Only thing worse than the liberal elite are people who rail against the liberal elite.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,460
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    What happened to the blindfold on justice? All are equal before the law is such a fundamental principle that I cannot believe it has been so casually abandoned. This is really quite shocking so what is the justification for it? Historically, statistical evidence suggested that you were more likely to end up in jail if you were from an ethnic minority.
    https://prisonreformtrust.org.uk/project/race/#:~:text=There is a clear direct association between ethnicity,be sent to prison at the Crown Court.

    According to this less than impartial source 27% of those who end up in prison are from ethnic minorities which is highly disproportionate. So, my guess is that this policy is to try and ensure that courts do consider alternatives to custody in relation to ethnic minorities.

    I am not comfortable with this: to me the solution is to appoint less racist judges, but I think I can see where they are coming from.

    Similar stats on arrests, conviction rates, sentence lengths are available from those woke nihilists at gov.uk

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest/

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-statistics-2020/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2020

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a75928440f0b6360e475224/bame-disproportionality-in-the-cjs.pdf
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,740
    I would also say that 32 months for child sex abuse, as referred to in that tweet, is a shockingly low sentence that the Attorney General really should have appealed. The starting point for such conduct should be north of 10 years so even early pleas would get you nowhere near that.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,460
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Useful idiots for Trump continue to reverse ferret, except afaics for Nonny-Nonny-Nigel. And I bet the Leeanderthal Man too, but I haven't checked.

    Feeble centrist dad likes feeble centrist dad content. Startling
    Well you could certainly benefit from a little Rory Stewart "explainer" on most topics before posting about them.
    Does “centrist dad” actually mean “not a ravening conspiracy theorist fascist anti-democrat”?
    Ha, yes, it pretty much does these days. Tell you what, Centrist Dads are vastly preferable to people who make a big deal of mocking them. Bit like the "liberal elite". Only thing worse than the liberal elite are people who rail against the liberal elite.
    I am very democratic, incidentally.

    I advocate a form of democracy which is a perfect mixture of PR and FPTP. The entire electorate votes on every single government decision.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,900

    Taz said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    How is this justifiable ?

    What makes being a minority and being religious a mitigating factor for any crime ?

    I’d like to know the rationale for this as on the surface it seems barmy.

    Of course it means anyone who commits a crime can simply claim to be religious to get a lower sentence.
    Surely this is only one of our sentencing problems. For a start, why do we send so many people to prison anyway? Does it actually reduce crime? Would we better to spend more (much more) time, money and effort on rehab?
    Also why send so many people away for short sentences ?

    What is the point of sending someone away for a few months which,effectively, can be halved twice.

    Why jail someone for a few weeks ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    edited March 5
    Taz said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    How is this justifiable ?

    What makes being a minority and being religious a mitigating factor for any crime ?

    I’d like to know the rationale for this as on the surface it seems barmy.

    Of course it means anyone who commits a crime can simply claim to be religious to get a lower sentence.
    But you have to be a member of a faith minority so I imagine this only applies to Muslims, Sikhs, Jews, Jedis, Pagans, and Satanists - yet not Christians, even though practising Christians ARE a minority

    Or maybe it applies to everyone apart from atheists and agnostics?

    The whole thing is ludicrous and shameful and comes straight from Critical Race Theory where EQUITY - equality of outcome - is the poisonous doctrine that rules all others, and therefore any perceived disadvantage for non whites MUST arise from systemic racism by whites, and can therefore only be addressed by legally disfavouring whites. As we se here
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,247
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    It's like they WANT a civil war


    "New guidelines released by the Sentencing Council today would make prison sentences less likely for ethnic and religious minorities.

    Two-tier justice isn't just a talking point - it's the reality in modern Britain..

    This policy is, effectively, already in place, with certain offenders receiving lenient sentences for horrific crimes while others receive strict sentences for speech violations...."

    Details in the tweet


    https://x.com/sam_bidwell/status/1897299597610938846

    jenrick is on this, vehemently and loudly, but where is Badenoch? She is useless


    More detail:

    A Pre-Sentence Report (PSR) means that probation has assessed an offender and done their best to consider options for that person to serve a sentence in the community (ie not in prison). It gives a judge options beyond jail. Often, there will be an argument between the prosecution and defence lawyers over whether a pre-sentence report should be ordered. The defence lawyers will know that a PSR will more likely lead to a non-custodial sentence. If a PSR is not ordered by a judge, a custodial sentence will follow in many cases. The judge is basically saying there is no option beyond custody so there is no need for probation to assess options for a community sentence. If, therefore, you are more likely to get a PSR if you are a member of a minority community, it means you have a better shot at a non-custodial sentence for any particular offence than somebody who is not a member of that community. The same goes for if you are female, and the following extract states explicitly that custody for women of minority cultural or religious beliefs may be ‘particularly acute’ meaning that it should be avoided in more cases than for women who do not belong to those minorities.

    What happened to the blindfold on justice? All are equal before the law is such a fundamental principle that I cannot believe it has been so casually abandoned. This is really quite shocking so what is the justification for it? Historically, statistical evidence suggested that you were more likely to end up in jail if you were from an ethnic minority.
    https://prisonreformtrust.org.uk/project/race/#:~:text=There is a clear direct association between ethnicity,be sent to prison at the Crown Court.

    According to this less than impartial source 27% of those who end up in prison are from ethnic minorities which is highly disproportionate. So, my guess is that this policy is to try and ensure that courts do consider alternatives to custody in relation to ethnic minorities.

    I am not comfortable with this: to me the solution is to appoint less racist judges, but I think I can see where they are coming from.

    Given that most criminals are aged 16-30, that overall figure does not seem disproportionate, in light of the older age profile of the white population.

    Obviously, as Malmesbury points out, there are striking disparities between different ethnic groups.

    Like others, I do not see that ethnicity or religion can be considered mitigating factors, when it comes to sentencing.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,292
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Useful idiots for Trump continue to reverse ferret, except afaics for Nonny-Nonny-Nigel. And I bet the Leeanderthal Man too, but I haven't checked.

    Feeble centrist dad likes feeble centrist dad content. Startling
    Well you could certainly benefit from a little Rory Stewart "explainer" on most topics before posting about them.
    "Little Rory Stewart" is a good name for him. Ludicrous, narcissistic, diddy-sized gargoyle that he is
    I just think your stuff would be better if you widened your sources beyond far right spaces. There's a lot of lies and misinformation there - and bigotry - and some of it rubs off despite your best efforts. Anyway, I see you're off fulminating against ethnic minorities again, so we can leave it there for now.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,159

    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    Very good analysis segment of TRIP on JD Vance's contempt for British and French soldiers who served alongside USA forces, and the blowback. I hadn't realised that the total numbers rotating in and out of Afghanistan were 100k+ in toto. His "I didn't mean them" is a bit tricky when 52 countries served in Iraq in the noughties, including 1600 from Ukr. Deep link.

    https://youtu.be/7GQZqPo_Ke4?t=725

    Centrist Dads' supply perspicacious analysis, and context, as ever. JDV's real problem is that he does not look beyond the echo chamber in his own head.

    Useful idiots for Trump continue to reverse ferret, except afaics for Nonny-Nonny-Nigel. And I bet the Leeanderthal Man too, but I haven't checked.

    Feeble centrist dad likes feeble centrist dad content. Startling
    Your Trump projection is a bit of a giveaway though. The only enemies inside our democracy are those that express such contempt for our democracy,

    However I think we are already seeing the first breath of a storm that within the year could see the US bond and equity markets come crashing down, and quite possibly the USD as a reserve currency with it.

    The level of failure will be so extraordinary that the US may well be unrecognisable, and the name Trump will be down with Quisling, Mussolini or Goebbels in the annals of crime.

    So choose wisely: after this anyone who expressed approval for Trump in the way that you have done will either have to account for that mistake or be derided and shunned.
    Ironically this kind of wishcasting about America collapsing in a similar way to Russia in the 1990s is a staple of Kremlin propaganda.
    Do you consider yourself a Kremlin propagandist?
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