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Punters think Lab’s chances of winning most seats at the GE have improved – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,357
edited March 2 in General
Punters think Lab’s chances of winning most seats at the GE have improved – politicalbetting.com

I think is down to in part events in the former thirteen colonies, whether it will last is another matter, as ultimately elections are generally won by issues like the economy and the NHS.

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  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,505
    Leon banned?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    Happy second fasting day of Ramadan. Many Muslim charities are currently appealing for donations.

    And happy Oscars night tonight.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,157

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.

    AI has recommended a ban of 66 days.
    "Commander TSE - execute Order 66!"
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,153
    Have we had this?

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2025/02/27/elon-musk-daily-show-jon-stewart-doge/80669525007/

    Musk says he will go on Jon Stewart's Daily Show - should be fun, though I bet he chickens out.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,186
    edited March 2

    Happy second fasting day of Ramadan. Many Muslim charities are currently appealing for donations.

    And happy Oscars night tonight.

    The worst thing about this Ramadan this year is that Eid is likely to be at weekend and I cannot use work to get out of going to the mosque.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,933
    How many days is Blanche's ban?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    The only living descendant of Rollo has been banned?
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,546
    Two questions for me on this beautiful Sunday morning:
    1. What concrete outcomes emerge from Starmer's meeting of the Europeans, Canadians etc today?
    2. Does the American public retain enough sense and integrity to rise up and reject the destruction of their democracy and rule of law?

    On the former, I accept the realism point that filling the US gap will take time, but I think NATO has always been about signalling strength to Russia and the non-US NATO need to find a way to signal similar strength, today.

    On the latter, videos of town halls are enjoyable but meaningless. As are protests in Vermont or wherever. Americans have a small window to decisively reject their descent into authoritarianism; how do they do this if they so wish? (If they don't wish to reject this, then the devil take them).
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,552

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.

    AI has recommended a ban of 66 days.
    What is the issue with talking about AI. Presumably it's a legitimate topic in and of itself.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,153
    What about the stories that Republican members of Congress, with very few exceptions, are unwilling to criticise or vote against Trump because of fears for their/their families' personal safety?

    eg

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/27/republicans-trump-threats
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-congress-political-violence?srsltid=AfmBOor7zKM0TOWhlUENK0X_bzDfzpKWrl7KfZWHZy7aAXITdICB0Vs6

    Romney already reported Republican Senators voting not to convict Trump 4 years ago out of this kind of fear.

    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/romney-gop-members-feared-far-right-violence-ahead-key-votes-rcna105272
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,098
    TOPPING said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.

    AI has recommended a ban of 66 days.
    What is the issue with talking about AI. Presumably it's a legitimate topic in and of itself.
    The issue was @Leon droning on and on and on about it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    FPT:

    The amount of Russian kit destroyed is remarkable. These are the claimed "kills" by the Ukrainians (yesterday's claims in brackets):

    Tanks — 10,241 (+8)
    Armored fighting vehicle — 21,274 (+25)
    Artillery systems — 23,959 (+51)
    MLRS — 1306 (+2)
    Anti-aircraft warfare — 1091 (+3)

    Even if you halve them, that is still untold billions. The anti-aircraft systems alone are often cited as being $10m plus a pop. The Soviet stockpiles are gone. The troops are now often old men on crutches, forced to go back and finish the job of getting killed for Mother Russia.

    Russia has battled on the assumpton that Trump will deliver a ceasefire. They've gone all in, with men and materal from stockpiles plus those they can get from abroad. It’s weird how much Russia has misjudged this. It’s almost as if they were getting their information from Trump...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641

    Happy second fasting day of Ramadan. Many Muslim charities are currently appealing for donations.

    And happy Oscars night tonight.

    The worst thing about this Ramadan this year is that Eid is likely to be at weekend and I cannot use work to get out of going to the mosque.
    When I worked in 24x7 ops, our Muslim colleagues all volunteered for night shifts during Ramadan. It turns out fasting during daylight hours is a damn sight easier if you are asleep after working nights.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,123
    This has gone under the radar but seems very significant:

    https://x.com/nhazony/status/1895954842662883767

    Israeli forces are preparing to advance toward Damascus, Syria, to defend the Druze suburb of Jaramana, currently under attack by the Syrian regime (HTS).
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,552

    TOPPING said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.

    AI has recommended a ban of 66 days.
    What is the issue with talking about AI. Presumably it's a legitimate topic in and of itself.
    The issue was @Leon droning on and on and on about it.
    We all drone on and on about everything. Was that it then, just banging on about something too much.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972

    Happy second fasting day of Ramadan. Many Muslim charities are currently appealing for donations.

    And happy Oscars night tonight.

    The worst thing about this Ramadan this year is that Eid is likely to be at weekend and I cannot use work to get out of going to the mosque.
    When I worked in 24x7 ops, our Muslim colleagues all volunteered for night shifts during Ramadan. It turns out fasting during daylight hours is a damn sight easier if you are asleep after working nights.
    I believe those travelling are allowed to break the fast. This includes those traveling by car, ship, airplane, or camel.

    Get yourself a camel, TSE. That will be quite the commute...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641

    TOPPING said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.

    AI has recommended a ban of 66 days.
    What is the issue with talking about AI. Presumably it's a legitimate topic in and of itself.
    The issue was @Leon droning on and on and on about it.
    The issue is not Leon droning on but the number of people he suckers into replying to his diversions.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,684
    edited March 2
    I think @TSE needs a holiday !!

    (Let the reader understand)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,552

    Happy second fasting day of Ramadan. Many Muslim charities are currently appealing for donations.

    And happy Oscars night tonight.

    The worst thing about this Ramadan this year is that Eid is likely to be at weekend and I cannot use work to get out of going to the mosque.
    Did you ever see 10 Nights at the Riverside Studios (not sure if it toured). Very interesting piece about a young Muslim man and his faith.

    https://riversidestudios.co.uk/see-and-do/10-nights-137618/
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972

    TOPPING said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.

    AI has recommended a ban of 66 days.
    What is the issue with talking about AI. Presumably it's a legitimate topic in and of itself.
    The issue was @Leon droning on and on and on about it.
    The issue is not Leon droning on but the number of people he suckers into replying to his diversions.
    But isn't pretty much everything here a diversion?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,277
    On topic, I'm inclined to agree.

    I also think the election of Trump has been the first real stroke of good fortune for the Conservatives since 2019. They can now carve out a distinct position vis a vis Reform as being pro-Ukraine which should sit well with public opinion.

    It's a disaster for Reform who find themselves a populist party on the unpopular side of public opinion.

    As for Labour, they will also benefit from Reform's implosion and it's been a decent few days for Starmer.

    All this with the caveat the next GE is a long way off unless Labour builds a substantial lead by 2027 on the back of an improving economy and decides to go for a snap election (the memory of May in 2017 may on the other hand offer a defree of caution).
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.

    AI has recommended a ban of 66 days.
    What is the issue with talking about AI. Presumably it's a legitimate topic in and of itself.
    The issue was @Leon droning on and on and on about it.
    We all drone on and on about everything. Was that it then, just banging on about something too much.
    I know you and I will disagree but that user has personally resulted in many people leaving. He’s not worth it and actively makes the site worse whenever he is here. It is no coincidence that the quality of debate goes up a lot when he is not here or banned.

    A lot of people here say they want a wide range of views yet say nothing when people who don’t share their views leave but throw their arms up when one poster who isn’t even a real person gets removed.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,617
    On Rollo: I am a descendent of Rollo. (As of course we all are.)
    My Dad did some family tree tracing, and got back to some Mancunian bigwig with an unusual name, from where there was a link back to some Welsh aristocrat - and once you have an aristocrat everything is quite well documented. So from there it was possible to get back to the Plantagenet kings. I was momentarily quite excited by this, until I did some maths and worked out the the chances of having vaguely British antecedents and NOT being descended from the early Plantagenet kings were about 44 billion to one. Everyone is descended from everyone (or at least, from everyone who managed to pass on their genes).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,000

    This has gone under the radar but seems very significant:

    https://x.com/nhazony/status/1895954842662883767

    Israeli forces are preparing to advance toward Damascus, Syria, to defend the Druze suburb of Jaramana, currently under attack by the Syrian regime (HTS).

    I'd comment (much) further but don't particularly want to be banned.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,998
    People shouldn't be banned for being boring. It sets a terrible precedent.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,684
    N-n-n-n-Nigel is heading for n-n-n-n-nineteen !
  • TOPPING said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.

    AI has recommended a ban of 66 days.
    What is the issue with talking about AI. Presumably it's a legitimate topic in and of itself.
    The issue was @Leon droning on and on and on about it.
    The issue is not Leon droning on but the number of people he suckers into replying to his diversions.
    I just don’t reply anymore. He doesn’t post anything useful.

    I will admit that as somebody who actually works with AI, reading his utter nonsense about it does grate.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,667
    kamski said:

    Have we had this?

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2025/02/27/elon-musk-daily-show-jon-stewart-doge/80669525007/

    Musk says he will go on Jon Stewart's Daily Show - should be fun, though I bet he chickens out.

    Jon Stewart has been quite supportive of the DOGE agenda, Musk will definitely do the show and bring examples of ridiculous spending he's cut and have a laugh with Jon about it.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313

    TOPPING said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.

    AI has recommended a ban of 66 days.
    What is the issue with talking about AI. Presumably it's a legitimate topic in and of itself.
    Everyone is fine talking about AI, Leon on the other hand ends up spamming the site about the topic.

    One day out of 200 comments about 80 of them were Leon posting about AI/photos generated by AI, at his monomaniacal that was a typical day.

    He gets even more abusive when it is pointed out he doesn't understand parts of AI and that AI frequents churns out rubbish.

    Anyhoo that's enough about moderation.

    I am off to enjoy the good weather by going clothes and footwear shopping.
    Shopping without clothes and footwear would be unwise.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    kamski said:

    What about the stories that Republican members of Congress, with very few exceptions, are unwilling to criticise or vote against Trump because of fears for their/their families' personal safety?

    eg

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/27/republicans-trump-threats
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-congress-political-violence?srsltid=AfmBOor7zKM0TOWhlUENK0X_bzDfzpKWrl7KfZWHZy7aAXITdICB0Vs6

    Romney already reported Republican Senators voting not to convict Trump 4 years ago out of this kind of fear.

    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/romney-gop-members-feared-far-right-violence-ahead-key-votes-rcna105272

    The irony is, not taking on Trump for fear of being primaried will not save many of them from first contact with the voters.

    Defy Trump, risk the primary. At least you will have a decent record to defend in that primary.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,186
    TOPPING said:

    Happy second fasting day of Ramadan. Many Muslim charities are currently appealing for donations.

    And happy Oscars night tonight.

    The worst thing about this Ramadan this year is that Eid is likely to be at weekend and I cannot use work to get out of going to the mosque.
    Did you ever see 10 Nights at the Riverside Studios (not sure if it toured). Very interesting piece about a young Muslim man and his faith.

    https://riversidestudios.co.uk/see-and-do/10-nights-137618/
    I didn't, looks like something I can relate to.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,552
    edited March 2

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.

    AI has recommended a ban of 66 days.
    What is the issue with talking about AI. Presumably it's a legitimate topic in and of itself.
    The issue was @Leon droning on and on and on about it.
    We all drone on and on about everything. Was that it then, just banging on about something too much.
    I know you and I will disagree but that user has personally resulted in many people leaving. He’s not worth it and actively makes the site worse whenever he is here. It is no coincidence that the quality of debate goes up a lot when he is not here or banned.

    A lot of people here say they want a wide range of views yet say nothing when people who don’t share their views leave but throw their arms up when one poster who isn’t even a real person gets removed.
    As you say our views differ and yes Leon has his obsessions (w3w anyone). But they soon peter out and it's all part of what makes PB PB.

    But the rules is the rules.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,135

    This has gone under the radar but seems very significant:

    https://x.com/nhazony/status/1895954842662883767

    Israeli forces are preparing to advance toward Damascus, Syria, to defend the Druze suburb of Jaramana, currently under attack by the Syrian regime (HTS).

    Good for Israel. Hope they can protect the Druze.

    No doubt @bondegezou will be along before long to repeat his spin that Israel is attacking peaceful Syria unprovoked (despite them being legally at war), that the new regime are peaceful and have done nothing wrong (despite them being proscribed terrorists in this country before they took over) and that the Druze don't need protection.

    Anything to blame Israel, plus ça change.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,552

    TOPPING said:

    Happy second fasting day of Ramadan. Many Muslim charities are currently appealing for donations.

    And happy Oscars night tonight.

    The worst thing about this Ramadan this year is that Eid is likely to be at weekend and I cannot use work to get out of going to the mosque.
    Did you ever see 10 Nights at the Riverside Studios (not sure if it toured). Very interesting piece about a young Muslim man and his faith.

    https://riversidestudios.co.uk/see-and-do/10-nights-137618/
    I didn't, looks like something I can relate to.
    Looks like it might be coming to cinemas.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,210
    edited March 2
    I think Starmer is doing well on this topic and deserves praise. It should improve his personal polling.

    It is also true though, that Labour face a very difficult task ahead. There will be big decisions on defence - perhaps even going beyond the measures announced last week - and those will require navigating very sensitively. Away from all this new global order stuff, there is a March statement that won’t look fantastic and will probably include a few nasties. Reeves remains a weak link.

    I think Starmer has proved himself on the international circuit this week, and that’s important for all of us, but what comes next has the potential to be very disruptive, and he and Labour need to be able to bring the country with them on that journey. The bad news for them is it’s a tricky journey to sell. The good news is that at least after 9 months in power they finally have some kind of journey narrative and a frontman who looks capable on the topic.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,667

    FPT:

    The amount of Russian kit destroyed is remarkable. These are the claimed "kills" by the Ukrainians (yesterday's claims in brackets):

    Tanks — 10,241 (+8)
    Armored fighting vehicle — 21,274 (+25)
    Artillery systems — 23,959 (+51)
    MLRS — 1306 (+2)
    Anti-aircraft warfare — 1091 (+3)

    Even if you halve them, that is still untold billions. The anti-aircraft systems alone are often cited as being $10m plus a pop. The Soviet stockpiles are gone. The troops are now often old men on crutches, forced to go back and finish the job of getting killed for Mother Russia.

    Russia has battled on the assumpton that Trump will deliver a ceasefire. They've gone all in, with men and materal from stockpiles plus those they can get from abroad. It’s weird how much Russia has misjudged this. It’s almost as if they were getting their information from Trump...

    This is why securing that extra year of sanctions is absolutely paramount for Ukraine, much more important than anything else on the table. We need to continue to exhaust Russia's ability to wage war and replenish it's weapons stockpile.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,528
    edited March 2

    People shouldn't be banned for being boring. It sets a terrible precedent.

    Send not to know for whom the bell tolls.


    (ETA. Not a personal dig! Donne's insight was universal.)
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,897
    I don't understand the European Ukraine play. It seems that Russia will only end the war if they can claim a victory (the Donbas at a minimum, presumably) and that Ukraine will only end the war if they are defeated (or, a negotiated peace with cast iron Western-backed security guarantees - boots on the ground presumably via NATO or another structure).

    Therefore what are we playing at? It seems like the options are simple:
    • Let Russia defeat Ukraine.
    • Help Ukraine push Russia out of their borders.
    • Tell Russia that if they don't accept a negotiated settlement (probably less than the whole Donbas with western bases in Ukraine) then Europe/UK will use all their military might to achieve the above.
    What else is there, realistically?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,153
    MaxPB said:

    kamski said:

    Have we had this?

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2025/02/27/elon-musk-daily-show-jon-stewart-doge/80669525007/

    Musk says he will go on Jon Stewart's Daily Show - should be fun, though I bet he chickens out.

    Jon Stewart has been quite supportive of the DOGE agenda, Musk will definitely do the show and bring examples of ridiculous spending he's cut and have a laugh with Jon about it.
    Not really.

    Here's his latest show on the subject (25th Feb):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utl2uLh1wVI

    The Daily Show's description:

    "Jon Stewart dives into Trump's new Department of Government Efficiency, a.k.a. DOGE, and how the Elon Musk-led project masks its allegiance to corporate overlords and negligence to the American people under the guise of slashing the government's budget".



  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,487
    edited March 2

    TOPPING said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.

    AI has recommended a ban of 66 days.
    What is the issue with talking about AI. Presumably it's a legitimate topic in and of itself.
    The issue was @Leon droning on and on and on about it.
    The issue is not Leon droning on but the number of people he suckers into replying to his diversions.
    In that case, can we ban anyone who posts about F1, computer coding, Star Trek, Dr Who,
    Sartorial choices, food, wine, horse racing, cars......feck it, let's just ban everyone.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    The headline in the Sunday Telegraph amused me. The quote from Starmer to Zelenskyy:

    "You're very welcome to Number 10."

    Was it followed by "I've had enough of it. Enjoy being PM...."?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,153

    kamski said:

    What about the stories that Republican members of Congress, with very few exceptions, are unwilling to criticise or vote against Trump because of fears for their/their families' personal safety?

    eg

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/27/republicans-trump-threats
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-congress-political-violence?srsltid=AfmBOor7zKM0TOWhlUENK0X_bzDfzpKWrl7KfZWHZy7aAXITdICB0Vs6

    Romney already reported Republican Senators voting not to convict Trump 4 years ago out of this kind of fear.

    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/romney-gop-members-feared-far-right-violence-ahead-key-votes-rcna105272

    The irony is, not taking on Trump for fear of being primaried will not save many of them from first contact with the voters.

    Defy Trump, risk the primary. At least you will have a decent record to defend in that primary.
    Right, but this is about fear of violence against them personally, or against their families, rather than fear of being primaried.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972
    Will you ALL please stop droning on about Leon being banned for droning on about AI... It's tedious and is spamming the site.
  • Starmer did very well on BBC this morning IMHO.

    He is looking like a real PM, unlike any of the alternatives.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,135

    I don't understand the European Ukraine play. It seems that Russia will only end the war if they can claim a victory (the Donbas at a minimum, presumably) and that Ukraine will only end the war if they are defeated (or, a negotiated peace with cast iron Western-backed security guarantees - boots on the ground presumably via NATO or another structure).

    Therefore what are we playing at? It seems like the options are simple:

    • Let Russia defeat Ukraine.
    • Help Ukraine push Russia out of their borders.
    • Tell Russia that if they don't accept a negotiated settlement (probably less than the whole Donbas with western bases in Ukraine) then Europe/UK will use all their military might to achieve the above.
    What else is there, realistically?
    Rope a dope.

    Help Ukraine absorb Russia's attacks until Russia is tired and exhausted and collapses. Which looks like coming soon, which is why Russia's shills are getting increasingly shrill about the need for "peace".
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,186
    Anyhoo, he's unbanned, it was a reminder to him about the rules.

    Next time, it is a ban of 66 days according to AI.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,395
    edited March 2

    People shouldn't be banned for being boring. It sets a terrible precedent.

    It's also completely subjective.

    One man's boring crap is another man's elixir of life, as I often reflect when scanning some particularly riveting financial data or economic models on a fine Sunday morning ...
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,153
    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    The amount of Russian kit destroyed is remarkable. These are the claimed "kills" by the Ukrainians (yesterday's claims in brackets):

    Tanks — 10,241 (+8)
    Armored fighting vehicle — 21,274 (+25)
    Artillery systems — 23,959 (+51)
    MLRS — 1306 (+2)
    Anti-aircraft warfare — 1091 (+3)

    Even if you halve them, that is still untold billions. The anti-aircraft systems alone are often cited as being $10m plus a pop. The Soviet stockpiles are gone. The troops are now often old men on crutches, forced to go back and finish the job of getting killed for Mother Russia.

    Russia has battled on the assumpton that Trump will deliver a ceasefire. They've gone all in, with men and materal from stockpiles plus those they can get from abroad. It’s weird how much Russia has misjudged this. It’s almost as if they were getting their information from Trump...

    This is why securing that extra year of sanctions is absolutely paramount for Ukraine, much more important than anything else on the table. We need to continue to exhaust Russia's ability to wage war and replenish it's weapons stockpile.
    "no sanctions, no state visit" Trump is so incredibly vain it would probably work
  • Starmer did very well on BBC this morning IMHO.

    He is looking like a real PM, unlike any of the alternatives.

    Because you like his stance on the Ukraine?
    What about the rest of his (domestic) shitshow?
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,882

    Will you ALL please stop droning on about Leon being banned for droning on about AI... It's tedious and is spamming the site.

    Do we have a new mod in town ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,972

    I don't understand the European Ukraine play. It seems that Russia will only end the war if they can claim a victory (the Donbas at a minimum, presumably) and that Ukraine will only end the war if they are defeated (or, a negotiated peace with cast iron Western-backed security guarantees - boots on the ground presumably via NATO or another structure).

    Therefore what are we playing at? It seems like the options are simple:

    • Let Russia defeat Ukraine.
    • Help Ukraine push Russia out of their borders.
    • Tell Russia that if they don't accept a negotiated settlement (probably less than the whole Donbas with western bases in Ukraine) then Europe/UK will use all their military might to achieve the above.
    What else is there, realistically?
    Rope a dope.

    Help Ukraine absorb Russia's attacks until Russia is tired and exhausted and collapses. Which looks like coming soon, which is why Russia's shills are getting increasingly shrill about the need for "peace".
    The shrillest shills being Trump and Vance. As we saw this week.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,135

    DavidL said:

    The nature of warfare is changing very fast. Last year Ukraine produced more than 1.3m drones for its military to use, comfortably more than anyone else in the world. This year there will be considerably more. How much longer will the Russian manpower advantage even be relevant?

    The Russians, in contrast, have largely been dependent upon running down huge stocks of artillery and tanks together with imports paid for by capital reserves which are now exhausted.

    This war is not developing to Russia’s advantage, not at all. The balance is swinging in Ukraine’s favour but they still need financial help to keep their government running, the economy moving and the Russians at bay until the swing becomes more decisive. Hopefully they will get it today.

    It’s weird how much Trump has misjudged this. It’s almost as if they were getting their information from Russia.

    Well said.

    There is a reason Putin's shills are desperate for "peace" soon and it is because Russia is getting close to culmination.

    Europe needs to stand firm and back Ukraine.

    Trump was completely wrong to say Ukraine doesn't "hold any cards", it is Russia that is failing more than Ukraine. Russia's already raided its prisons and sent North Koreans in meatwaves to the front, they're running out of money and meat to send to the grinder.

    If Europe backs Ukraine fully, then even if Trump cuts America's support, Ukraine still should win this war. If Europe stands firm, I doubt Putin will make it to the end of Trump's term, which would be quite an irony and what a legacy for Trump to be the US POTUS who upended America's relationships and backed the wrong horse.
    There won’t be any sudden collapse. I expect the broken back nature of the Russian war effort to become even more pronounced.
    I expect Russia to collapse in two ways. Gradually at first, then suddenly.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,145

    I don't understand the European Ukraine play. It seems that Russia will only end the war if they can claim a victory (the Donbas at a minimum, presumably) and that Ukraine will only end the war if they are defeated (or, a negotiated peace with cast iron Western-backed security guarantees - boots on the ground presumably via NATO or another structure).

    Therefore what are we playing at? It seems like the options are simple:

    • Let Russia defeat Ukraine.
    • Help Ukraine push Russia out of their borders.
    • Tell Russia that if they don't accept a negotiated settlement (probably less than the whole Donbas with western bases in Ukraine) then Europe/UK will use all their military might to achieve the above.
    What else is there, realistically?
    It's pretty much the same strategy as the last three years, only without the very considerable logistical, financial and intelligence heft of the US. Defiantly proclaim #2 as the plan of record while #1 slowly happens.
  • Starmer did very well on BBC this morning IMHO.

    He is looking like a real PM, unlike any of the alternatives.

    Because you like his stance on the Ukraine?
    What about the rest of his (domestic) shitshow?
    Well I’ve never thought his domestic policy as terrible as others do. I accept that I am in a small minority.

    Personally I think he has it right on changes to the WFA but he should have scrapped the triple lock at the same time.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,667
    kamski said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    The amount of Russian kit destroyed is remarkable. These are the claimed "kills" by the Ukrainians (yesterday's claims in brackets):

    Tanks — 10,241 (+8)
    Armored fighting vehicle — 21,274 (+25)
    Artillery systems — 23,959 (+51)
    MLRS — 1306 (+2)
    Anti-aircraft warfare — 1091 (+3)

    Even if you halve them, that is still untold billions. The anti-aircraft systems alone are often cited as being $10m plus a pop. The Soviet stockpiles are gone. The troops are now often old men on crutches, forced to go back and finish the job of getting killed for Mother Russia.

    Russia has battled on the assumpton that Trump will deliver a ceasefire. They've gone all in, with men and materal from stockpiles plus those they can get from abroad. It’s weird how much Russia has misjudged this. It’s almost as if they were getting their information from Trump...

    This is why securing that extra year of sanctions is absolutely paramount for Ukraine, much more important than anything else on the table. We need to continue to exhaust Russia's ability to wage war and replenish it's weapons stockpile.
    "no sanctions, no state visit" Trump is so incredibly vain it would probably work
    Yes it probably would, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what the PM was saying to Trump in the aftermath of Friday. Sign the sanctions extension and the state visit goes ahead.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,684
    Man stabs police dog, and is hit by police car.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cevxd8dgmkjo

    (I'm interested to know why he wasn't tasered, which seems appropriate. This is Police Scotland, and I do not know their practice.)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,824
    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    Can I propose that, each time Leon is banned, it's for twice as long as the previous ban?
  • TresTres Posts: 2,753
    kamski said:

    What about the stories that Republican members of Congress, with very few exceptions, are unwilling to criticise or vote against Trump because of fears for their/their families' personal safety?

    eg

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/27/republicans-trump-threats
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-congress-political-violence?srsltid=AfmBOor7zKM0TOWhlUENK0X_bzDfzpKWrl7KfZWHZy7aAXITdICB0Vs6

    Romney already reported Republican Senators voting not to convict Trump 4 years ago out of this kind of fear.

    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/romney-gop-members-feared-far-right-violence-ahead-key-votes-rcna105272

    same old GOP, always someone elses fault
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,552
    edited March 2

    Anyhoo, he's unbanned, it was a reminder to him about the rules.

    Next time, it is a ban of 66 days according to AI.

    Oh god we didn't mean unban him.

    Kidding.
  • IanB2 said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    Can I propose that, each time Leon is banned, it's for twice as long as the previous ban?
    Why?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,737

    Starmer did very well on BBC this morning IMHO.

    He is looking like a real PM, unlike any of the alternatives.

    This crisis has so far suited him considerably better than the economy or his various donations and gifts have. He suddenly looks like a PM rather than a peevish blimp and that is obviously a real improvement.

    As others have said, however, he has a long way to go and a difficult furrow to plough. Its far too far to the next election to be making any judgments yet.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,882

    Starmer did very well on BBC this morning IMHO.

    He is looking like a real PM, unlike any of the alternatives.

    I did say a few weeks ago I felt he was growing into the role.

    He will need to be on his game. Lots of pushback coming for the billions for Ukraine already along the lines of we cannot help pensioners heat their home but we can waste billions etc etc….. already seeing it on social media. He needs to stay the course and be a bridge between Washington and Zelenskyy.

    We don’t have to like Zelenskyy to know that Russia is the aggressor, Russia has stolen another nations territory, Russia has abducted Ukrainian citizens and Ukrainian children.

    It is not unreasonable for Zelenskyy to want security guarantees.

    Rewarding Russia is not an option.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,552

    DavidL said:

    The nature of warfare is changing very fast. Last year Ukraine produced more than 1.3m drones for its military to use, comfortably more than anyone else in the world. This year there will be considerably more. How much longer will the Russian manpower advantage even be relevant?

    The Russians, in contrast, have largely been dependent upon running down huge stocks of artillery and tanks together with imports paid for by capital reserves which are now exhausted.

    This war is not developing to Russia’s advantage, not at all. The balance is swinging in Ukraine’s favour but they still need financial help to keep their government running, the economy moving and the Russians at bay until the swing becomes more decisive. Hopefully they will get it today.

    It’s weird how much Trump has misjudged this. It’s almost as if they were getting their information from Russia.

    Well said.

    There is a reason Putin's shills are desperate for "peace" soon and it is because Russia is getting close to culmination.

    Europe needs to stand firm and back Ukraine.

    Trump was completely wrong to say Ukraine doesn't "hold any cards", it is Russia that is failing more than Ukraine. Russia's already raided its prisons and sent North Koreans in meatwaves to the front, they're running out of money and meat to send to the grinder.

    If Europe backs Ukraine fully, then even if Trump cuts America's support, Ukraine still should win this war. If Europe stands firm, I doubt Putin will make it to the end of Trump's term, which would be quite an irony and what a legacy for Trump to be the US POTUS who upended America's relationships and backed the wrong horse.
    There won’t be any sudden collapse. I expect the broken back nature of the Russian war effort to become even more pronounced.
    I expect Russia to collapse in two ways. Gradually at first, then suddenly.
    I misread that as you expect Russia to collapse in two days. Which I wouldn't not have expected from you.

    Still wishing the world did what you wanted it to do while ignoring facts on the ground.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,667

    I don't understand the European Ukraine play. It seems that Russia will only end the war if they can claim a victory (the Donbas at a minimum, presumably) and that Ukraine will only end the war if they are defeated (or, a negotiated peace with cast iron Western-backed security guarantees - boots on the ground presumably via NATO or another structure).

    Therefore what are we playing at? It seems like the options are simple:

    • Let Russia defeat Ukraine.
    • Help Ukraine push Russia out of their borders.
    • Tell Russia that if they don't accept a negotiated settlement (probably less than the whole Donbas with western bases in Ukraine) then Europe/UK will use all their military might to achieve the above.
    What else is there, realistically?
    Rope a dope.

    Help Ukraine absorb Russia's attacks until Russia is tired and exhausted and collapses. Which looks like coming soon, which is why Russia's shills are getting increasingly shrill about the need for "peace".
    Putin has gambled absolutely everything on a normalisation of relations with the US and a return of their oil revenue to 100% rather than having to sell at a pretty big discount to China and India. This is why I was so surprised by Trump's agreement to extend US sanctions for a year, it completely throws Putin's plan out of the window and over the year we can continue to work with Trump to show him the threat of WW3 is extremely low and we need to continue supporting Ukraine until the Russians shoot Putin in the back.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,298
    edited March 2
    IanB2 said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    Can I propose that, each time Leon is banned, it's for twice as long as the previous ban?
    That made me laugh out loud. Maybe the maths will then sink in.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,430

    DavidL said:

    The nature of warfare is changing very fast. Last year Ukraine produced more than 1.3m drones for its military to use, comfortably more than anyone else in the world. This year there will be considerably more. How much longer will the Russian manpower advantage even be relevant?

    The Russians, in contrast, have largely been dependent upon running down huge stocks of artillery and tanks together with imports paid for by capital reserves which are now exhausted.

    This war is not developing to Russia’s advantage, not at all. The balance is swinging in Ukraine’s favour but they still need financial help to keep their government running, the economy moving and the Russians at bay until the swing becomes more decisive. Hopefully they will get it today.

    It’s weird how much Trump has misjudged this. It’s almost as if they were getting their information from Russia.

    Well said.

    There is a reason Putin's shills are desperate for "peace" soon and it is because Russia is getting close to culmination.

    Europe needs to stand firm and back Ukraine.

    Trump was completely wrong to say Ukraine doesn't "hold any cards", it is Russia that is failing more than Ukraine. Russia's already raided its prisons and sent North Koreans in meatwaves to the front, they're running out of money and meat to send to the grinder.

    If Europe backs Ukraine fully, then even if Trump cuts America's support, Ukraine still should win this war. If Europe stands firm, I doubt Putin will make it to the end of Trump's term, which would be quite an irony and what a legacy for Trump to be the US POTUS who upended America's relationships and backed the wrong horse.
    There won’t be any sudden collapse. I expect the broken back nature of the Russian war effort to become even more pronounced.
    I expect Russia to collapse in two ways. Gradually at first, then suddenly.
    I don’t.

    According to Russian relatives, there is zero sign of war weariness expressed as even vaguely anti-war sentiment. Even anti-Putinists still think the war must carry on until Russia “wins”.

    There’s no sign of the morale collapse that would be required for defeat.

    If Putin can keep supplying the troops from outside the Greater Russian population, and give them some kind of equipment, it will continue.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,824

    TOPPING said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    The Vanilla AI add on has detected Leon repeatedly talking about AI in violation of the rules.

    AI has recommended a ban of 66 days.
    What is the issue with talking about AI. Presumably it's a legitimate topic in and of itself.
    The issue was @Leon droning on and on and on about it.
    The issue is not Leon droning on but the number of people he suckers into replying to his diversions.
    I just don’t reply anymore. He doesn’t post anything useful.

    I will admit that as somebody who actually works with AI, reading his utter nonsense about it does grate.
    A marker for someone with intelligence is that they never mention it.

    Mind you, not mentioning it doesn't make you intelligent.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,210
    The only thing more tedious than Leon’s posts on AI are the debates on how the site should be moderated (he says, joining the debate on how the site should be moderated). I’ve said my piece now!
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,153
    Tres said:

    kamski said:

    What about the stories that Republican members of Congress, with very few exceptions, are unwilling to criticise or vote against Trump because of fears for their/their families' personal safety?

    eg

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/27/republicans-trump-threats
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-congress-political-violence?srsltid=AfmBOor7zKM0TOWhlUENK0X_bzDfzpKWrl7KfZWHZy7aAXITdICB0Vs6

    Romney already reported Republican Senators voting not to convict Trump 4 years ago out of this kind of fear.

    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/romney-gop-members-feared-far-right-violence-ahead-key-votes-rcna105272

    same old GOP, always someone elses fault
    Is it? Or are members of Congress genuinely scared, and making decisions not to oppose Trump because of that? It seems plausible at this point. In which case we would be much further down the road to an actual fascist-style dictatorship.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,430
    Taz said:

    Will you ALL please stop droning on about Leon being banned for droning on about AI... It's tedious and is spamming the site.

    Do we have a new mod in town ?
    Could we please ban all those droning on about people droning on about AI?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,295
    It's going to be pretty interesting see what Starmer and Macron can come up with.
  • DavidL said:

    Starmer did very well on BBC this morning IMHO.

    He is looking like a real PM, unlike any of the alternatives.

    This crisis has so far suited him considerably better than the economy or his various donations and gifts have. He suddenly looks like a PM rather than a peevish blimp and that is obviously a real improvement.

    As others have said, however, he has a long way to go and a difficult furrow to plough. Its far too far to the next election to be making any judgments yet.
    It’s too early to say unless you’re saying he’s finished then that’s a brilliant bet.

    I am not saying he’ll win, just that the idea it’s all over is patently absurd.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,824

    IanB2 said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    Can I propose that, each time Leon is banned, it's for twice as long as the previous ban?
    Why?
    Because he would find it educational?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,135
    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    The nature of warfare is changing very fast. Last year Ukraine produced more than 1.3m drones for its military to use, comfortably more than anyone else in the world. This year there will be considerably more. How much longer will the Russian manpower advantage even be relevant?

    The Russians, in contrast, have largely been dependent upon running down huge stocks of artillery and tanks together with imports paid for by capital reserves which are now exhausted.

    This war is not developing to Russia’s advantage, not at all. The balance is swinging in Ukraine’s favour but they still need financial help to keep their government running, the economy moving and the Russians at bay until the swing becomes more decisive. Hopefully they will get it today.

    It’s weird how much Trump has misjudged this. It’s almost as if they were getting their information from Russia.

    Well said.

    There is a reason Putin's shills are desperate for "peace" soon and it is because Russia is getting close to culmination.

    Europe needs to stand firm and back Ukraine.

    Trump was completely wrong to say Ukraine doesn't "hold any cards", it is Russia that is failing more than Ukraine. Russia's already raided its prisons and sent North Koreans in meatwaves to the front, they're running out of money and meat to send to the grinder.

    If Europe backs Ukraine fully, then even if Trump cuts America's support, Ukraine still should win this war. If Europe stands firm, I doubt Putin will make it to the end of Trump's term, which would be quite an irony and what a legacy for Trump to be the US POTUS who upended America's relationships and backed the wrong horse.
    There won’t be any sudden collapse. I expect the broken back nature of the Russian war effort to become even more pronounced.
    I expect Russia to collapse in two ways. Gradually at first, then suddenly.
    I misread that as you expect Russia to collapse in two days. Which I wouldn't not have expected from you.

    Still wishing the world did what you wanted it to do while ignoring facts on the ground.
    It isn't about wishes, the facts on the ground are the Russia is going bankrupt in men, materials and money.

    Hence the Hemingway reference that seems to have gone over your head.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,153
    MaxPB said:

    I don't understand the European Ukraine play. It seems that Russia will only end the war if they can claim a victory (the Donbas at a minimum, presumably) and that Ukraine will only end the war if they are defeated (or, a negotiated peace with cast iron Western-backed security guarantees - boots on the ground presumably via NATO or another structure).

    Therefore what are we playing at? It seems like the options are simple:

    • Let Russia defeat Ukraine.
    • Help Ukraine push Russia out of their borders.
    • Tell Russia that if they don't accept a negotiated settlement (probably less than the whole Donbas with western bases in Ukraine) then Europe/UK will use all their military might to achieve the above.
    What else is there, realistically?
    Rope a dope.

    Help Ukraine absorb Russia's attacks until Russia is tired and exhausted and collapses. Which looks like coming soon, which is why Russia's shills are getting increasingly shrill about the need for "peace".
    Putin has gambled absolutely everything on a normalisation of relations with the US and a return of their oil revenue to 100% rather than having to sell at a pretty big discount to China and India. This is why I was so surprised by Trump's agreement to extend US sanctions for a year, it completely throws Putin's plan out of the window and over the year we can continue to work with Trump to show him the threat of WW3 is extremely low and we need to continue supporting Ukraine until the Russians shoot Putin in the back.
    Though the sanctions are presumably good for US and Saudi fossil fuel billionaires.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,552
    I mean I've only seen the highlights but surely Trump is simply taking a side in one of the oldest and most difficult dilemmas. What is worth giving up to stop the killing.

    Why is dealing with that impossible question so reprehensible.

    We see it in aid all the time (enable/support the tyrants to get food to the citizens..)
  • Taz said:

    Will you ALL please stop droning on about Leon being banned for droning on about AI... It's tedious and is spamming the site.

    Do we have a new mod in town ?
    Could we please ban all those droning on about people droning on about AI?
    And anybody who wants to ban other posters.
    Let the mods decide on what is acceptable.
    By all means, drawing attention to a dodgy post should be done, but anything else is nowt to do with us below the liners.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,295
    F1: just a minor ramble, but I'm pretty surprised how well Williams appear to have done. We'll see if testing form was a mirage, but most people ranking teams have them and Alpine very close for best of the midfield.

    While 2025 is shaping up nicely, the regulations overhaul for 2026 could be a fantastic opportunity for Williams.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641

    I think Starmer is doing well on this topic and deserves praise. It should improve his personal polling.

    It is also true though, that Labour face a very difficult task ahead. There will be big decisions on defence - perhaps even going beyond the measures announced last week - and those will require navigating very sensitively. Away from all this new global order stuff, there is a March statement that won’t look fantastic and will probably include a few nasties. Reeves remains a weak link.

    I think Starmer has proved himself on the international circuit this week, and that’s important for all of us, but what comes next has the potential to be very disruptive, and he and Labour need to be able to bring the country with them on that journey. The bad news for them is it’s a tricky journey to sell. The good news is that at least after 9 months in power they finally have some kind of journey narrative and a frontman who looks capable on the topic.

    As well as the Prime Minister looking Prime Ministerial, the economy is perking up a bit and, perhaps more significantly, so is the weather. Against that, there are an awful lot of price rises pencilled in for the new tax year in a month or so.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,760

    I think Starmer is doing well on this topic and deserves praise. It should improve his personal polling.

    It is also true though, that Labour face a very difficult task ahead. There will be big decisions on defence - perhaps even going beyond the measures announced last week - and those will require navigating very sensitively. Away from all this new global order stuff, there is a March statement that won’t look fantastic and will probably include a few nasties. Reeves remains a weak link.

    I think Starmer has proved himself on the international circuit this week, and that’s important for all of us, but what comes next has the potential to be very disruptive, and he and Labour need to be able to bring the country with them on that journey. The bad news for them is it’s a tricky journey to sell. The good news is that at least after 9 months in power they finally have some kind of journey narrative and a frontman who looks capable on the topic.

    Good morning

    I agree and Starmer has done well

    However, the local council confirmed our council tax is to rise 8.95% and having received details of increases in mobile, broadband and tv charges, together with energy and other rises these easily cancel out our triple lock rise of 4.1% and will bear down heavily on family budgets in 2025

    We are fortunate as we can afford them, but many cannot and I doubt a feel good factor is about to return and that is before Reeves March statement

    On Reform, those predicting it's early demise are wish casting and as much as I attack Farage and Reform I fear they will continue to be the NOA candidate and may not go away as much as many would hope

    Politics is impossible to predict and I am not going to predict 2028 election, but for now I do compliment Starmer for his dealings with Trump, warm welcome to Zelenskyy yesterday, and for arranging the meeting with the King
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,135

    DavidL said:

    The nature of warfare is changing very fast. Last year Ukraine produced more than 1.3m drones for its military to use, comfortably more than anyone else in the world. This year there will be considerably more. How much longer will the Russian manpower advantage even be relevant?

    The Russians, in contrast, have largely been dependent upon running down huge stocks of artillery and tanks together with imports paid for by capital reserves which are now exhausted.

    This war is not developing to Russia’s advantage, not at all. The balance is swinging in Ukraine’s favour but they still need financial help to keep their government running, the economy moving and the Russians at bay until the swing becomes more decisive. Hopefully they will get it today.

    It’s weird how much Trump has misjudged this. It’s almost as if they were getting their information from Russia.

    Well said.

    There is a reason Putin's shills are desperate for "peace" soon and it is because Russia is getting close to culmination.

    Europe needs to stand firm and back Ukraine.

    Trump was completely wrong to say Ukraine doesn't "hold any cards", it is Russia that is failing more than Ukraine. Russia's already raided its prisons and sent North Koreans in meatwaves to the front, they're running out of money and meat to send to the grinder.

    If Europe backs Ukraine fully, then even if Trump cuts America's support, Ukraine still should win this war. If Europe stands firm, I doubt Putin will make it to the end of Trump's term, which would be quite an irony and what a legacy for Trump to be the US POTUS who upended America's relationships and backed the wrong horse.
    There won’t be any sudden collapse. I expect the broken back nature of the Russian war effort to become even more pronounced.
    I expect Russia to collapse in two ways. Gradually at first, then suddenly.
    I don’t.

    According to Russian relatives, there is zero sign of war weariness expressed as even vaguely anti-war sentiment. Even anti-Putinists still think the war must carry on until Russia “wins”.

    There’s no sign of the morale collapse that would be required for defeat.

    If Putin can keep supplying the troops from outside the Greater Russian population, and give them some kind of equipment, it will continue.
    Morale collapses much faster when the money stops flowing. When people can't afford bread or eggs, then morale can change rapidly.

    It isn't based on morale that I'm making my judgment. Russia is running out of men, materials and money. Those three determine the outcome of a long-term war far more than morale ever does.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,552

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    The nature of warfare is changing very fast. Last year Ukraine produced more than 1.3m drones for its military to use, comfortably more than anyone else in the world. This year there will be considerably more. How much longer will the Russian manpower advantage even be relevant?

    The Russians, in contrast, have largely been dependent upon running down huge stocks of artillery and tanks together with imports paid for by capital reserves which are now exhausted.

    This war is not developing to Russia’s advantage, not at all. The balance is swinging in Ukraine’s favour but they still need financial help to keep their government running, the economy moving and the Russians at bay until the swing becomes more decisive. Hopefully they will get it today.

    It’s weird how much Trump has misjudged this. It’s almost as if they were getting their information from Russia.

    Well said.

    There is a reason Putin's shills are desperate for "peace" soon and it is because Russia is getting close to culmination.

    Europe needs to stand firm and back Ukraine.

    Trump was completely wrong to say Ukraine doesn't "hold any cards", it is Russia that is failing more than Ukraine. Russia's already raided its prisons and sent North Koreans in meatwaves to the front, they're running out of money and meat to send to the grinder.

    If Europe backs Ukraine fully, then even if Trump cuts America's support, Ukraine still should win this war. If Europe stands firm, I doubt Putin will make it to the end of Trump's term, which would be quite an irony and what a legacy for Trump to be the US POTUS who upended America's relationships and backed the wrong horse.
    There won’t be any sudden collapse. I expect the broken back nature of the Russian war effort to become even more pronounced.
    I expect Russia to collapse in two ways. Gradually at first, then suddenly.
    I misread that as you expect Russia to collapse in two days. Which I wouldn't not have expected from you.

    Still wishing the world did what you wanted it to do while ignoring facts on the ground.
    It isn't about wishes, the facts on the ground are the Russia is going bankrupt in men, materials and money.

    Hence the Hemingway reference that seems to have gone over your head.
    I am aware of the reference.

    You have been calling for the imminent collapse of Russia for three years and, then as now, I just don't see it.

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,897

    I don't understand the European Ukraine play. It seems that Russia will only end the war if they can claim a victory (the Donbas at a minimum, presumably) and that Ukraine will only end the war if they are defeated (or, a negotiated peace with cast iron Western-backed security guarantees - boots on the ground presumably via NATO or another structure).

    Therefore what are we playing at? It seems like the options are simple:

    • Let Russia defeat Ukraine.
    • Help Ukraine push Russia out of their borders.
    • Tell Russia that if they don't accept a negotiated settlement (probably less than the whole Donbas with western bases in Ukraine) then Europe/UK will use all their military might to achieve the above.
    What else is there, realistically?
    Rope a dope.

    Help Ukraine absorb Russia's attacks until Russia is tired and exhausted and collapses. Which looks like coming soon, which is why Russia's shills are getting increasingly shrill about the need for "peace".
    Yes but that relies upon American support and American sanctions.

    If Europe wants to do this alone, then I can't see any alternative to the above.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,753
    kamski said:

    Tres said:

    kamski said:

    What about the stories that Republican members of Congress, with very few exceptions, are unwilling to criticise or vote against Trump because of fears for their/their families' personal safety?

    eg

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/27/republicans-trump-threats
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-congress-political-violence?srsltid=AfmBOor7zKM0TOWhlUENK0X_bzDfzpKWrl7KfZWHZy7aAXITdICB0Vs6

    Romney already reported Republican Senators voting not to convict Trump 4 years ago out of this kind of fear.

    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/romney-gop-members-feared-far-right-violence-ahead-key-votes-rcna105272

    same old GOP, always someone elses fault
    Is it? Or are members of Congress genuinely scared, and making decisions not to oppose Trump because of that? It seems plausible at this point. In which case we would be much further down the road to an actual fascist-style dictatorship.
    that's what they tell themselves, in lieu of showing a back bone
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    The nature of warfare is changing very fast. Last year Ukraine produced more than 1.3m drones for its military to use, comfortably more than anyone else in the world. This year there will be considerably more. How much longer will the Russian manpower advantage even be relevant?

    The Russians, in contrast, have largely been dependent upon running down huge stocks of artillery and tanks together with imports paid for by capital reserves which are now exhausted.

    This war is not developing to Russia’s advantage, not at all. The balance is swinging in Ukraine’s favour but they still need financial help to keep their government running, the economy moving and the Russians at bay until the swing becomes more decisive. Hopefully they will get it today.

    It’s weird how much Trump has misjudged this. It’s almost as if they were getting their information from Russia.

    Well said.

    There is a reason Putin's shills are desperate for "peace" soon and it is because Russia is getting close to culmination.

    Europe needs to stand firm and back Ukraine.

    Trump was completely wrong to say Ukraine doesn't "hold any cards", it is Russia that is failing more than Ukraine. Russia's already raided its prisons and sent North Koreans in meatwaves to the front, they're running out of money and meat to send to the grinder.

    If Europe backs Ukraine fully, then even if Trump cuts America's support, Ukraine still should win this war. If Europe stands firm, I doubt Putin will make it to the end of Trump's term, which would be quite an irony and what a legacy for Trump to be the US POTUS who upended America's relationships and backed the wrong horse.
    There won’t be any sudden collapse. I expect the broken back nature of the Russian war effort to become even more pronounced.
    I expect Russia to collapse in two ways. Gradually at first, then suddenly.
    I misread that as you expect Russia to collapse in two days. Which I wouldn't not have expected from you.

    Still wishing the world did what you wanted it to do while ignoring facts on the ground.
    It isn't about wishes, the facts on the ground are the Russia is going bankrupt in men, materials and money.

    Hence the Hemingway reference that seems to have gone over your head.
    I am aware of the reference.

    You have been calling for the imminent collapse of Russia for three years and, then as now, I just don't see it.

    Russia is not collapsing in my view, any time soon. This war will go on and on.
  • IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    Can I propose that, each time Leon is banned, it's for twice as long as the previous ban?
    Why?
    Because he would find it educational?
    What's it got to do with you, though?
    Can't we let the site operators deal with how they run it, rather than us demand bans on other posters?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,586
    MattW said:

    Man stabs police dog, and is hit by police car.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cevxd8dgmkjo

    (I'm interested to know why he wasn't tasered, which seems appropriate. This is Police Scotland, and I do not know their practice.)

    Only some officers carry tasers in Scotland, it seems. And more training than in many/some? E&W forces. Which I hadn't known. So possibly there was nobody with a taser to hand?

    https://www.scotland.police.uk/about-us/how-we-do-it/taser/
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10610-023-09569-3
  • Badenoch also did well on BBC.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    The champagne in Shanghai Airlines Business Class is exceptional
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,298

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    Can I propose that, each time Leon is banned, it's for twice as long as the previous ban?
    Why?
    Because he would find it educational?
    What's it got to do with you, though?
    Can't we let the site operators deal with how they run it, rather than us demand bans on other posters?
    @TwistedFireStopper . I think you are missing the point. @IanB2 was cracking a rather good joke. You need to see the previous thread. It made me laugh out loud.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,824
    edited March 2

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    Can I propose that, each time Leon is banned, it's for twice as long as the previous ban?
    Why?
    Because he would find it educational?
    What's it got to do with you, though?
    Can't we let the site operators deal with how they run it, rather than us demand bans on other posters?
    It was a joke. Perhaps you missed the previous thread? In which Leon demonstrated the truth about his IQ beyond all reasonable doubt.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,153

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    Can I propose that, each time Leon is banned, it's for twice as long as the previous ban?
    Why?
    Because he would find it educational?
    What's it got to do with you, though?
    Can't we let the site operators deal with how they run it, rather than us demand bans on other posters?
    It was joke! - though you'd need to read the previous thread to get it

    A bit of banter is fine, and can be fun. But the site's owners have to trust people to follow the rules, otherwise it becomes impossible.
  • kjh said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    Can I propose that, each time Leon is banned, it's for twice as long as the previous ban?
    Why?
    Because he would find it educational?
    What's it got to do with you, though?
    Can't we let the site operators deal with how they run it, rather than us demand bans on other posters?
    @TwistedFireStopper . I think you are missing the point. @IanB2 was cracking a rather good joke. You need to see the previous thread. It made me laugh out loud.
    Ahhh, I'm just an occasional lurker, so miss lots.
    In that case, I withdraw my pompous rebuttal to Ian!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,552
    Leon said:

    The champagne in Shanghai Airlines Business Class is exceptional

    Boom.
  • kamski said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Leon banned?

    Can I propose that, each time Leon is banned, it's for twice as long as the previous ban?
    Why?
    Because he would find it educational?
    What's it got to do with you, though?
    Can't we let the site operators deal with how they run it, rather than us demand bans on other posters?
    It was joke! - though you'd need to read the previous thread to get it

    A bit of banter is fine, and can be fun. But the site's owners have to trust people to follow the rules, otherwise it becomes impossible.
    I should probably call to ban myself!
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