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SystemSystem Posts: 12,359
edited March 8 in General
Meanwhile in Canada – politicalbetting.com

Trump is now pretending that his administration was backing CDU all along when both the VP and Shadow President Musk very explicitly tried to get center-right Germans to vote AfD instead. pic.twitter.com/SZwt9Mvrj0

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  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,387
    Off-topic, from an IFS report, marginal tax rates (adults only) due to fiscal drag:


  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,212
    edited February 24
    CDU/CSU-SPD coalition being viable is probably the best result Europe could have hoped for based on the polling trends.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,569
    carnforth said:

    Off-topic, from an IFS report, marginal tax rates (adults only) due to fiscal drag:


    Hasn't Reeves planned to uprate with inflation? I guess there may be more wage growth in the upper earners...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Opinion polls in Canada mean nothing until the last 48 hours.

    All of them can, and do, change their minds on a head of a pin.
  • With Trump's new bezzie in Germany declaring German independence from the US, I'm not sure why he is celebrating. Unless the game plan is American isolation and political leper status?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,569
    Am sure there is an anti trump sentiment going on in Canada. Hardly surprising.
    But it is strange to have polling so close to an election without knowing the leaders.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    China and Russia must love this: the West being divided and fighting amongst themselves, whilst they extend their sphere of influence in their own backyards.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,432
    edited February 24
    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    Pro-Trumpers in Canada are traitors. It is as simple as that.

    It's pretty similar here, albeit without the threat of Anschlaus. Yet.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,973

    With Trump's new bezzie in Germany declaring German independence from the US, I'm not sure why he is celebrating. Unless the game plan is American isolation and political leper status?

    Isn’t it just the usual Trumpian incoherence, gravitating to the winner? I don’t think he’s a strategist in any real sense.
    One does wonder what those with some strategic form eg Vance were hoping for by cosying up to the AfD.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,387
    As I posted on PB last week, I wrote to Severn Trent about this sentence in their email:

    "I want to reassure you that none of the bill increase will go towards executive director bonuses. Customers do not pay for bonuses; they are entirely funded by our investors."

    They have replied:

    "I can totally understand your scepticism around the link between bill increases and executive directors bonuses, however I want to assure you that none of our executive directors’ bonuses are paid for by Severn Trent Water, they are paid by Severn Trent Plc, which is funded by our investors.

    When setting prices for customers, Ofwat only allows Severn Trent Water to take into account the costs that we incur in delivering our service to customers. This does not include bonuses to our executive directors, so can assure you no part of the bill that you pay will go toward this."

    So that's ok then. They must own the water company as a hobby.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,505

    Opinion polls in Canada mean nothing until the last 48 hours.

    All of them can, and do, change their minds on a head of a pin.

    We've often see pre-election movements in VI go further on polling day. That was certainly true whenever there was movement in the last couple of weeks in the UK in 2015, in 2017 and in 2024.

    I wonder if we'll get that here?
  • Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    America - like the Conservative Party - seems to believe its own propaganda and thus is detached from reality. America is the Greatest Country On Earth. With the Strongest Military. Of course people want to buy their stuff! No, they Do.

    Its a brilliant plan. Demand that Ukraine hands over all its mineral wealth. Use it to build new products especially for defence, then force Ukraine's neighbours to buy them to protect themselves from Russia.

    Well, I say brilliant. Europe and the middle east are two huge markets for defence equipment. I'm sure Bibi will keep buying American, but will Saudi? Qatar? After what Trump has done to destabilise the region? Europe?

    This is gift week for Europe - if its political leaders and the big manufacturers can get the new narrative going quickly. Don't buy American, buy European. With support from our ally Ukraine.

    What Trump does as the new pork markets global markets don't flood Murica with orders is the question. How do you extort the world when the world says "no thanks"? Threaten then with Putin? He can't threaten "America will cut you off". Great, go right ahead. We don't need you any more.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,935
    carnforth said:

    As I posted on PB last week, I wrote to Severn Trent about this sentence in their email:

    "I want to reassure you that none of the bill increase will go towards executive director bonuses. Customers do not pay for bonuses; they are entirely funded by our investors."

    They have replied:

    "I can totally understand your scepticism around the link between bill increases and executive directors bonuses, however I want to assure you that none of our executive directors’ bonuses are paid for by Severn Trent Water, they are paid by Severn Trent Plc, which is funded by our investors.

    When setting prices for customers, Ofwat only allows Severn Trent Water to take into account the costs that we incur in delivering our service to customers. This does not include bonuses to our executive directors, so can assure you no part of the bill that you pay will go toward this."

    So that's ok then. They must own the water company as a hobby.

    Bonkers. They will be telling us national insurance contributions fund our pensions next.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,432
    edited February 24
    carnforth said:

    Off-topic, from an IFS report, marginal tax rates (adults only) due to fiscal drag:


    Do you have a source for the graph? I am not sure what the y axis shows. Is it the percentage of the population paying higher rate income tax, the effect of withdrawal of the personal allowance and additionl higher rate?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,387
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Off-topic, from an IFS report, marginal tax rates (adults only) due to fiscal drag:


    Do you have a source for the graph? I am not sure what the y axis shows. Is it the percentage of the population paying higher rate income tax, the effect of withdrawal of the personal allowance and additionl higher rate?
    Sorry, caption was not part of the image:

    'Figure 1. Adult UK population by marginal rate of income tax"

    https://ifs.org.uk/publications/deepening-freeze-more-adults-ever-are-paying-higher-rate-tax

    Some additional notes under the image.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,163

    With Trump's new bezzie in Germany declaring German independence from the US, I'm not sure why he is celebrating. Unless the game plan is American isolation and political leper status?

    Isn’t it just the usual Trumpian incoherence, gravitating to the winner? I don’t think he’s a strategist in any real sense.
    One does wonder what those with some strategic form eg Vance were hoping for by cosying up to the AfD.
    I think it's partly just ignorance - does Vance actually have any real understanding of German politics? He seems to get his info from far right US Twitter disinformation sources.

    Also they no doubt feel an affinity with fellow antidemocrats, but mostly they're just saying stuff for a domestic audience.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Pro_Rata said:

    Opinion polls in Canada mean nothing until the last 48 hours.

    All of them can, and do, change their minds on a head of a pin.

    We've often see pre-election movements in VI go further on polling day. That was certainly true whenever there was movement in the last couple of weeks in the UK in 2015, in 2017 and in 2024.

    I wonder if we'll get that here?
    The Liberal Party, for reasons that I find baffling, as seen as the founders and staunch defenders of Confederation over there.

    Despite Confederation actually taking place under a Conservative.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,751

    carnforth said:

    As I posted on PB last week, I wrote to Severn Trent about this sentence in their email:

    "I want to reassure you that none of the bill increase will go towards executive director bonuses. Customers do not pay for bonuses; they are entirely funded by our investors."

    They have replied:

    "I can totally understand your scepticism around the link between bill increases and executive directors bonuses, however I want to assure you that none of our executive directors’ bonuses are paid for by Severn Trent Water, they are paid by Severn Trent Plc, which is funded by our investors.

    When setting prices for customers, Ofwat only allows Severn Trent Water to take into account the costs that we incur in delivering our service to customers. This does not include bonuses to our executive directors, so can assure you no part of the bill that you pay will go toward this."

    So that's ok then. They must own the water company as a hobby.

    Bonkers. They will be telling us national insurance contributions fund our pensions next.
    It's even worse than that, some people actually believe that their NI contributions over their working lives entitles them to something in retirement, as if the governments they elected didn't opt to spend it all at the time it was paid. Madness.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,157
    edited February 24
    kamski said:

    dunham said:

    MikeL said:

    CDU/CSU 28.6%
    AFD 20.8%
    SPD 16.4%
    Green 11.6%
    Linke 8.8%

    Total of above = 86.2%

    CDU/CSU + SPD has 45% - well over half of the 86.2%.

    They're held up by older voters.

    We are at very high risk of getting a radical right or radical left government in several European countries in the next 10-20 years.

    Neither will be pleasant.
    It looks as if a Grand Coalition (CDU/CSU + SPD) will be possible now that the final results of this German federal election are in; it will have just 45% of the vote share and have 328/630 seats in the Bundestag. By contrast, the first post-WW2 German Grand Coalition in 1966-9 represented over 80% of voters and had 447/496 seats, with the FDP forming the sole opposition.

    The opposition parties in the new Bundestag all appear to be from the radical left or right (apart from the sole seat for the Danish regional party), unless the German Green party is more moderate than its British equivalent, which seems now to be a home for some of the Corbynite left wing. Comparisons with the UK are not always appropriate; with a similar GE result in the UK, the most likely coalition would be between the Tories and Reform.

    The Greens are center-left if anything.
    The AfD are more Britain First/EDL than Reform
    I can't imagine Britain First/EDL being led by a Goldman Sachs alumna.
  • Pro_Rata said:

    Opinion polls in Canada mean nothing until the last 48 hours.

    All of them can, and do, change their minds on a head of a pin.

    We've often see pre-election movements in VI go further on polling day. That was certainly true whenever there was movement in the last couple of weeks in the UK in 2015, in 2017 and in 2024.

    I wonder if we'll get that here?
    The Liberal Party, for reasons that I find baffling, as seen as the founders and staunch defenders of Confederation over there.

    Despite Confederation actually taking place under a Conservative.
    Can't speak for previous times, but here and now? Trump wants Canada and wants the Conservatives to win. So a vote for the Conservatives is a vote for what Trump wants - and he wants to abolish Canada.

    If Murica diver further towards Gilead and falls out with Europe, perhaps we should make overtures towards the newly reelected Canada about strengthening our historic ties...
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,313

    kamski said:

    dunham said:

    MikeL said:

    CDU/CSU 28.6%
    AFD 20.8%
    SPD 16.4%
    Green 11.6%
    Linke 8.8%

    Total of above = 86.2%

    CDU/CSU + SPD has 45% - well over half of the 86.2%.

    They're held up by older voters.

    We are at very high risk of getting a radical right or radical left government in several European countries in the next 10-20 years.

    Neither will be pleasant.
    It looks as if a Grand Coalition (CDU/CSU + SPD) will be possible now that the final results of this German federal election are in; it will have just 45% of the vote share and have 328/630 seats in the Bundestag. By contrast, the first post-WW2 German Grand Coalition in 1966-9 represented over 80% of voters and had 447/496 seats, with the FDP forming the sole opposition.

    The opposition parties in the new Bundestag all appear to be from the radical left or right (apart from the sole seat for the Danish regional party), unless the German Green party is more moderate than its British equivalent, which seems now to be a home for some of the Corbynite left wing. Comparisons with the UK are not always appropriate; with a similar GE result in the UK, the most likely coalition would be between the Tories and Reform.

    The Greens are center-left if anything.
    The AfD are more Britain First/EDL than Reform
    I can't imagine Britain First/EDL being led by a Goldman Sachs alumna.
    Our far right are pretty crap. Gone are the halcyon days of Sir Roderick Spode.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,838
    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    The other issue the US has is that it wants to be the world's reserve currency... but that -by definition- means having an overvalued currency, because it's the currency everyone has to hold.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,163

    kamski said:

    dunham said:

    MikeL said:

    CDU/CSU 28.6%
    AFD 20.8%
    SPD 16.4%
    Green 11.6%
    Linke 8.8%

    Total of above = 86.2%

    CDU/CSU + SPD has 45% - well over half of the 86.2%.

    They're held up by older voters.

    We are at very high risk of getting a radical right or radical left government in several European countries in the next 10-20 years.

    Neither will be pleasant.
    It looks as if a Grand Coalition (CDU/CSU + SPD) will be possible now that the final results of this German federal election are in; it will have just 45% of the vote share and have 328/630 seats in the Bundestag. By contrast, the first post-WW2 German Grand Coalition in 1966-9 represented over 80% of voters and had 447/496 seats, with the FDP forming the sole opposition.

    The opposition parties in the new Bundestag all appear to be from the radical left or right (apart from the sole seat for the Danish regional party), unless the German Green party is more moderate than its British equivalent, which seems now to be a home for some of the Corbynite left wing. Comparisons with the UK are not always appropriate; with a similar GE result in the UK, the most likely coalition would be between the Tories and Reform.

    The Greens are center-left if anything.
    The AfD are more Britain First/EDL than Reform
    I can't imagine Britain First/EDL being led by a Goldman Sachs alumna.
    Why not? For such a fantasist you have a remarkably limited imagination.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,838

    kamski said:

    dunham said:

    MikeL said:

    CDU/CSU 28.6%
    AFD 20.8%
    SPD 16.4%
    Green 11.6%
    Linke 8.8%

    Total of above = 86.2%

    CDU/CSU + SPD has 45% - well over half of the 86.2%.

    They're held up by older voters.

    We are at very high risk of getting a radical right or radical left government in several European countries in the next 10-20 years.

    Neither will be pleasant.
    It looks as if a Grand Coalition (CDU/CSU + SPD) will be possible now that the final results of this German federal election are in; it will have just 45% of the vote share and have 328/630 seats in the Bundestag. By contrast, the first post-WW2 German Grand Coalition in 1966-9 represented over 80% of voters and had 447/496 seats, with the FDP forming the sole opposition.

    The opposition parties in the new Bundestag all appear to be from the radical left or right (apart from the sole seat for the Danish regional party), unless the German Green party is more moderate than its British equivalent, which seems now to be a home for some of the Corbynite left wing. Comparisons with the UK are not always appropriate; with a similar GE result in the UK, the most likely coalition would be between the Tories and Reform.

    The Greens are center-left if anything.
    The AfD are more Britain First/EDL than Reform
    I can't imagine Britain First/EDL being led by a Goldman Sachs alumna.
    We get everywhere, you know. We're like cockroaches. Only without the dress sense.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,056

    Pro_Rata said:

    Opinion polls in Canada mean nothing until the last 48 hours.

    All of them can, and do, change their minds on a head of a pin.

    We've often see pre-election movements in VI go further on polling day. That was certainly true whenever there was movement in the last couple of weeks in the UK in 2015, in 2017 and in 2024.

    I wonder if we'll get that here?
    The Liberal Party, for reasons that I find baffling, as seen as the founders and staunch defenders of Confederation over there.

    Despite Confederation actually taking place under a Conservative.
    Can't speak for previous times, but here and now? Trump wants Canada and wants the Conservatives to win. So a vote for the Conservatives is a vote for what Trump wants - and he wants to abolish Canada.

    If Murica diver further towards Gilead and falls out with Europe, perhaps we should make overtures towards the newly reelected Canada about strengthening our historic ties...
    Iif he wanted the Canadian Conservatives to win he should have kept his trap shut for a bit.
  • With Trump's new bezzie in Germany declaring German independence from the US, I'm not sure why he is celebrating. Unless the game plan is American isolation and political leper status?

    Isn’t it just the usual Trumpian incoherence, gravitating to the winner? I don’t think he’s a strategist in any real sense.
    One does wonder what those with some strategic form eg Vance were hoping for by cosying up to the AfD.
    One of the dangers of strapping yourself into a media bubble full of nonsense is that you start to believe all that nonsense.

    See also: surrounding yourself with sycophants.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,432
    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Off-topic, from an IFS report, marginal tax rates (adults only) due to fiscal drag:


    Do you have a source for the graph? I am not sure what the y axis shows. Is it the percentage of the population paying higher rate income tax, the effect of withdrawal of the personal allowance and additionl higher rate?
    Sorry, caption was not part of the image:

    'Figure 1. Adult UK population by marginal rate of income tax"

    https://ifs.org.uk/publications/deepening-freeze-more-adults-ever-are-paying-higher-rate-tax

    Some additional notes under the image.
    The graph is rather misleading without knowing what the basic rate of income tax was. For example in 1992 only 3% were paying the higher rate of 40%, but the vast majority were on the standard rate of 25%, albeit with a narrower lower band of 20%.

    So there are more paying the higher rates, but the larger remainder are paying lower rates of income tax.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,081
    @benatipsos

    @realDonaldTrump has some of the lowest approval ratings in 70 years - don’t expect much improvement till Americans see the economy improving -so far no movement #itsthestilltheecony

    https://x.com/benatipsos/status/1893936967202554133
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Scott_xP said:

    @benatipsos

    @realDonaldTrump has some of the lowest approval ratings in 70 years - don’t expect much improvement till Americans see the economy improving -so far no movement #itsthestilltheecony

    https://x.com/benatipsos/status/1893936967202554133

    It's not just the economy.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,163
    His stand-up is funnier than his newspaper columns, but here's a cathartic rant from Stewart Lee to cheer a Monday morning

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/23/donald-trump-bullshit-blitz-has-europe-on-its-knees
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,751
    Merz is questioning whether the June conference of NATO will even happen: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpv4n0dg3v3o

    I think a big bunfest to wind it up would be appropriate, it was important to us for a long time but the party will not be fun if many of the attendees are not even speaking to each other. Merz wants a UK/France nuclear shield for Europe. The way he is talking he might even be willing to chip in the cost of it. We need to work out how we can make it less dependent on American assistance.

    5 eyes is going to be another casualty of Trump's madness. We need to work out how GCHQ can work on its own rather than part of an American led alliance.

    So much to do. Starmer is going to have his hands full. I frankly wonder if going to the White House is a good idea. Let's see how Macron gets on today.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 557



    America - like the Conservative Party - seems to believe its own propaganda and thus is detached from reality. America is the Greatest Country On Earth. With the Strongest Military. Of course people want to buy their stuff! No, they Do.

    Its a brilliant plan. Demand that Ukraine hands over all its mineral wealth. Use it to build new products especially for defence, then force Ukraine's neighbours to buy them to protect themselves from Russia.

    Well, I say brilliant. Europe and the middle east are two huge markets for defence equipment. I'm sure Bibi will keep buying American, but will Saudi? Qatar? After what Trump has done to destabilise the region? Europe?

    This is gift week for Europe - if its political leaders and the big manufacturers can get the new narrative going quickly. Don't buy American, buy European. With support from our ally Ukraine.

    What Trump does as the new pork markets global markets don't flood Murica with orders is the question. How do you extort the world when the world says "no thanks"? Threaten then with Putin? He can't threaten "America will cut you off". Great, go right ahead. We don't need you any more.

    Not quite what Project 2025 think. They're of the opinion that after years of DEI, their forces are weak and need 'full spectrum' defence.

    The U.S. Army’s mission is “[t]o deploy, fight and win our nation’s wars by providing ready, prompt and sustained land dominance by Army forces across the full spectrum of conflict as part of the joint force.”24 Today, however, the Army cannot execute its land dominance mission.25 The U.S. Army is at an inflection point that is marked by more than a decade of steadily eroding budgets and diluted buying power, an appreciable degradation in readiness and training capacity, a near crisis in the recruiting and retention of critical personnel, and a bevy of aging weapons systems that no longer provide a qualitative edge over peer and near-peer competitors but will not be replaced in the near term.


    If that belief has been adopted by the present administration, then it would explain their apparent deference to Russia and the need for more defence spending ($150bn) which they are trying to get through both houses.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,432
    kle4 said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Opinion polls in Canada mean nothing until the last 48 hours.

    All of them can, and do, change their minds on a head of a pin.

    We've often see pre-election movements in VI go further on polling day. That was certainly true whenever there was movement in the last couple of weeks in the UK in 2015, in 2017 and in 2024.

    I wonder if we'll get that here?
    The Liberal Party, for reasons that I find baffling, as seen as the founders and staunch defenders of Confederation over there.

    Despite Confederation actually taking place under a Conservative.
    Can't speak for previous times, but here and now? Trump wants Canada and wants the Conservatives to win. So a vote for the Conservatives is a vote for what Trump wants - and he wants to abolish Canada.

    If Murica diver further towards Gilead and falls out with Europe, perhaps we should make overtures towards the newly reelected Canada about strengthening our historic ties...
    Iif he wanted the Canadian Conservatives to win he should have kept his trap shut for a bit.
    I don't think he is capable of restraint.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,973
    edited February 24
    DavidL said:

    Merz is questioning whether the June conference of NATO will even happen: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpv4n0dg3v3o

    I think a big bunfest to wind it up would be appropriate, it was important to us for a long time but the party will not be fun if many of the attendees are not even speaking to each other. Merz wants a UK/France nuclear shield for Europe. The way he is talking he might even be willing to chip in the cost of it. We need to work out how we can make it less dependent on American assistance.

    5 eyes is going to be another casualty of Trump's madness. We need to work out how GCHQ can work on its own rather than part of an American led alliance.

    So much to do. Starmer is going to have his hands full. I frankly wonder if going to the White House is a good idea. Let's see how Macron gets on today.

    Yep, practiced rider of two horses that Starmer is, their rapid divergence may cause a tearing of his trousers if not something more intimate. Don’t think a state visit for Trumpy is going to fix it.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729

    Scott_xP said:

    @benatipsos

    @realDonaldTrump has some of the lowest approval ratings in 70 years - don’t expect much improvement till Americans see the economy improving -so far no movement #itsthestilltheecony

    https://x.com/benatipsos/status/1893936967202554133

    It's not just the economy.
    "It's the stupidity, stupid"
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,432
    Battlebus said:



    America - like the Conservative Party - seems to believe its own propaganda and thus is detached from reality. America is the Greatest Country On Earth. With the Strongest Military. Of course people want to buy their stuff! No, they Do.

    Its a brilliant plan. Demand that Ukraine hands over all its mineral wealth. Use it to build new products especially for defence, then force Ukraine's neighbours to buy them to protect themselves from Russia.

    Well, I say brilliant. Europe and the middle east are two huge markets for defence equipment. I'm sure Bibi will keep buying American, but will Saudi? Qatar? After what Trump has done to destabilise the region? Europe?

    This is gift week for Europe - if its political leaders and the big manufacturers can get the new narrative going quickly. Don't buy American, buy European. With support from our ally Ukraine.

    What Trump does as the new pork markets global markets don't flood Murica with orders is the question. How do you extort the world when the world says "no thanks"? Threaten then with Putin? He can't threaten "America will cut you off". Great, go right ahead. We don't need you any more.

    Not quite what Project 2025 think. They're of the opinion that after years of DEI, their forces are weak and need 'full spectrum' defence.

    The U.S. Army’s mission is “[t]o deploy, fight and win our nation’s wars by providing ready, prompt and sustained land dominance by Army forces across the full spectrum of conflict as part of the joint force.”24 Today, however, the Army cannot execute its land dominance mission.25 The U.S. Army is at an inflection point that is marked by more than a decade of steadily eroding budgets and diluted buying power, an appreciable degradation in readiness and training capacity, a near crisis in the recruiting and retention of critical personnel, and a bevy of aging weapons systems that no longer provide a qualitative edge over peer and near-peer competitors but will not be replaced in the near term.


    If that belief has been adopted by the present administration, then it would explain their apparent deference to Russia and the need for more defence spending ($150bn) which they are trying to get through both houses.
    And yet, Hegseth is proposing 8% cuts in US defence spending each year.

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-pentagon-cuts-8-troops-budget-09ed8f0f5ae92a93b3c1705c9d2dcc1c
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,056

    With Trump's new bezzie in Germany declaring German independence from the US, I'm not sure why he is celebrating. Unless the game plan is American isolation and political leper status?

    Isn’t it just the usual Trumpian incoherence, gravitating to the winner? I don’t think he’s a strategist in any real sense.
    One does wonder what those with some strategic form eg Vance were hoping for by cosying up to the AfD.
    One of the dangers of strapping yourself into a media bubble full of nonsense is that you start to believe all that nonsense.

    See also: surrounding yourself with sycophants.
    Speaking of nonsense i discovered posters here are either 100 years old or time travellers from the early 90s as they railed against them darn violent video games on the last thread.

    The fear, ignorance, and condescension towards what is just another category of entertainment that pops up here occasionally is pretty hilarious.

    I assume its back in vogue because of some online right wing idiots, and we all know radicals didn't exist before.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,199

    DavidL said:

    Merz is questioning whether the June conference of NATO will even happen: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpv4n0dg3v3o

    I think a big bunfest to wind it up would be appropriate, it was important to us for a long time but the party will not be fun if many of the attendees are not even speaking to each other. Merz wants a UK/France nuclear shield for Europe. The way he is talking he might even be willing to chip in the cost of it. We need to work out how we can make it less dependent on American assistance.

    5 eyes is going to be another casualty of Trump's madness. We need to work out how GCHQ can work on its own rather than part of an American led alliance.

    So much to do. Starmer is going to have his hands full. I frankly wonder if going to the White House is a good idea. Let's see how Macron gets on today.

    Yep, practiced rider of two horses that Starmer is their rapid divergence may cause a tearing of his trousers if not something more intimate. Don’t think a state visit is going to fix it.
    I will look forward to more contortions from Labour on how surgically attaching themselves to Trump's rear is a great strategy for them, but not condemning Trump is treacherous villainy from Reform.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 557
    DavidL said:

    carnforth said:

    As I posted on PB last week, I wrote to Severn Trent about this sentence in their email:

    "I want to reassure you that none of the bill increase will go towards executive director bonuses. Customers do not pay for bonuses; they are entirely funded by our investors."

    They have replied:

    "I can totally understand your scepticism around the link between bill increases and executive directors bonuses, however I want to assure you that none of our executive directors’ bonuses are paid for by Severn Trent Water, they are paid by Severn Trent Plc, which is funded by our investors.

    When setting prices for customers, Ofwat only allows Severn Trent Water to take into account the costs that we incur in delivering our service to customers. This does not include bonuses to our executive directors, so can assure you no part of the bill that you pay will go toward this."

    So that's ok then. They must own the water company as a hobby.

    Bonkers. They will be telling us national insurance contributions fund our pensions next.
    It's even worse than that, some people actually believe that their NI contributions over their working lives entitles them to something in retirement, as if the governments they elected didn't opt to spend it all at the time it was paid. Madness.
    Some countries use the 3 pillars concept for pensions that would be useful to explain later-life finances for people. Pillars e.g. Switzerland/Australia are:

    * Basic state(s) pension
    * AVC such as the current piss poor 'Peoples Pension'
    * Savings

    It's the opt outs that cause the most problems with people thinking that the basic state pension is all they need. And with triple lock, why would they think otherwise.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,056

    DavidL said:

    Merz is questioning whether the June conference of NATO will even happen: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpv4n0dg3v3o

    I think a big bunfest to wind it up would be appropriate, it was important to us for a long time but the party will not be fun if many of the attendees are not even speaking to each other. Merz wants a UK/France nuclear shield for Europe. The way he is talking he might even be willing to chip in the cost of it. We need to work out how we can make it less dependent on American assistance.

    5 eyes is going to be another casualty of Trump's madness. We need to work out how GCHQ can work on its own rather than part of an American led alliance.

    So much to do. Starmer is going to have his hands full. I frankly wonder if going to the White House is a good idea. Let's see how Macron gets on today.

    Yep, practiced rider of two horses that Starmer is their rapid divergence may cause a tearing of his trousers if not something more intimate. Don’t think a state visit is going to fix it.
    I will look forward to more contortions from Labour on how surgically attaching themselves to Trump's rear is a great strategy for them, but not condemning Trump is treacherous villainy from Reform.
    I assume the difference is that many in reform are actual supporters of him not just not condemning, but the chances of Labour looking hypocritical are quite high.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,973
    edited February 24
    Jeremy Bowen not messing about, Trump et al are liars, lying about Ukraine starting the war and the amounts of US aid given to them.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 557
    Foxy said:

    Battlebus said:



    America - like the Conservative Party - seems to believe its own propaganda and thus is detached from reality. America is the Greatest Country On Earth. With the Strongest Military. Of course people want to buy their stuff! No, they Do.

    Its a brilliant plan. Demand that Ukraine hands over all its mineral wealth. Use it to build new products especially for defence, then force Ukraine's neighbours to buy them to protect themselves from Russia.

    Well, I say brilliant. Europe and the middle east are two huge markets for defence equipment. I'm sure Bibi will keep buying American, but will Saudi? Qatar? After what Trump has done to destabilise the region? Europe?

    This is gift week for Europe - if its political leaders and the big manufacturers can get the new narrative going quickly. Don't buy American, buy European. With support from our ally Ukraine.

    What Trump does as the new pork markets global markets don't flood Murica with orders is the question. How do you extort the world when the world says "no thanks"? Threaten then with Putin? He can't threaten "America will cut you off". Great, go right ahead. We don't need you any more.

    Not quite what Project 2025 think. They're of the opinion that after years of DEI, their forces are weak and need 'full spectrum' defence.

    The U.S. Army’s mission is “[t]o deploy, fight and win our nation’s wars by providing ready, prompt and sustained land dominance by Army forces across the full spectrum of conflict as part of the joint force.”24 Today, however, the Army cannot execute its land dominance mission.25 The U.S. Army is at an inflection point that is marked by more than a decade of steadily eroding budgets and diluted buying power, an appreciable degradation in readiness and training capacity, a near crisis in the recruiting and retention of critical personnel, and a bevy of aging weapons systems that no longer provide a qualitative edge over peer and near-peer competitors but will not be replaced in the near term.


    If that belief has been adopted by the present administration, then it would explain their apparent deference to Russia and the need for more defence spending ($150bn) which they are trying to get through both houses.
    And yet, Hegseth is proposing 8% cuts in US defence spending each year.

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-pentagon-cuts-8-troops-budget-09ed8f0f5ae92a93b3c1705c9d2dcc1c
    The incoherence shows. (Defence is $100bn in this article)


    The House Wants to Pass Trump’s Agenda in One Big Bill. Here’s What’s in It.


    https://archive.ph/dn3qn
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,163
    kle4 said:

    With Trump's new bezzie in Germany declaring German independence from the US, I'm not sure why he is celebrating. Unless the game plan is American isolation and political leper status?

    Isn’t it just the usual Trumpian incoherence, gravitating to the winner? I don’t think he’s a strategist in any real sense.
    One does wonder what those with some strategic form eg Vance were hoping for by cosying up to the AfD.
    One of the dangers of strapping yourself into a media bubble full of nonsense is that you start to believe all that nonsense.

    See also: surrounding yourself with sycophants.
    Speaking of nonsense i discovered posters here are either 100 years old or time travellers from the early 90s as they railed against them darn violent video games on the last thread.

    The fear, ignorance, and condescension towards what is just another category of entertainment that pops up here occasionally is pretty hilarious.

    I assume its back in vogue because of some online right wing idiots, and we all know radicals didn't exist before.
    We're sleepwalking into a disaster allowing the screen addiction of our children. The clearly inappropriate nature of some of content of those screens is a side issue.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,751
    Macron today will be interesting. He has an enormous sense of armour propre and strong views on Ukraine. He is much more likely to tell Trump or a news conference what he really thinks than Starmer. But he will also set the bar for Starmer too.

    All this and the Wooden Spoon decider at the ICC trophy on Wednesday. We live in interesting times.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,163
    kamski said:

    kle4 said:

    With Trump's new bezzie in Germany declaring German independence from the US, I'm not sure why he is celebrating. Unless the game plan is American isolation and political leper status?

    Isn’t it just the usual Trumpian incoherence, gravitating to the winner? I don’t think he’s a strategist in any real sense.
    One does wonder what those with some strategic form eg Vance were hoping for by cosying up to the AfD.
    One of the dangers of strapping yourself into a media bubble full of nonsense is that you start to believe all that nonsense.

    See also: surrounding yourself with sycophants.
    Speaking of nonsense i discovered posters here are either 100 years old or time travellers from the early 90s as they railed against them darn violent video games on the last thread.

    The fear, ignorance, and condescension towards what is just another category of entertainment that pops up here occasionally is pretty hilarious.

    I assume its back in vogue because of some online right wing idiots, and we all know radicals didn't exist before.
    We're sleepwalking into a disaster allowing the screen addiction of our children. The clearly inappropriate nature of some of content of those screens is a side issue.
    "encouraging children to take crack cocaine is no problem - I smoked a few spliffs when I was a teenager and it never did me any harm"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,684
    Battlebus said:

    Foxy said:

    Battlebus said:



    America - like the Conservative Party - seems to believe its own propaganda and thus is detached from reality. America is the Greatest Country On Earth. With the Strongest Military. Of course people want to buy their stuff! No, they Do.

    Its a brilliant plan. Demand that Ukraine hands over all its mineral wealth. Use it to build new products especially for defence, then force Ukraine's neighbours to buy them to protect themselves from Russia.

    Well, I say brilliant. Europe and the middle east are two huge markets for defence equipment. I'm sure Bibi will keep buying American, but will Saudi? Qatar? After what Trump has done to destabilise the region? Europe?

    This is gift week for Europe - if its political leaders and the big manufacturers can get the new narrative going quickly. Don't buy American, buy European. With support from our ally Ukraine.

    What Trump does as the new pork markets global markets don't flood Murica with orders is the question. How do you extort the world when the world says "no thanks"? Threaten then with Putin? He can't threaten "America will cut you off". Great, go right ahead. We don't need you any more.

    Not quite what Project 2025 think. They're of the opinion that after years of DEI, their forces are weak and need 'full spectrum' defence.

    The U.S. Army’s mission is “[t]o deploy, fight and win our nation’s wars by providing ready, prompt and sustained land dominance by Army forces across the full spectrum of conflict as part of the joint force.”24 Today, however, the Army cannot execute its land dominance mission.25 The U.S. Army is at an inflection point that is marked by more than a decade of steadily eroding budgets and diluted buying power, an appreciable degradation in readiness and training capacity, a near crisis in the recruiting and retention of critical personnel, and a bevy of aging weapons systems that no longer provide a qualitative edge over peer and near-peer competitors but will not be replaced in the near term.


    If that belief has been adopted by the present administration, then it would explain their apparent deference to Russia and the need for more defence spending ($150bn) which they are trying to get through both houses.
    And yet, Hegseth is proposing 8% cuts in US defence spending each year.

    https://apnews.com/article/trump-pentagon-cuts-8-troops-budget-09ed8f0f5ae92a93b3c1705c9d2dcc1c
    The incoherence shows. (Defence is $100bn in this article)


    The House Wants to Pass Trump’s Agenda in One Big Bill. Here’s What’s in It.


    https://archive.ph/dn3qn
    Bulwark team over the weekend where saying trying to pass one massive bill with everything in is just stupid when you only have two vote majority.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,684
    Scott_xP said:

    @benatipsos

    @realDonaldTrump has some of the lowest approval ratings in 70 years - don’t expect much improvement till Americans see the economy improving -so far no movement #itsthestilltheecony

    https://x.com/benatipsos/status/1893936967202554133

    He'll come after the polling companies soon.

    Not that matters as there will no more elections for some considerable time.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,216

    With Trump's new bezzie in Germany declaring German independence from the US, I'm not sure why he is celebrating. Unless the game plan is American isolation and political leper status?

    He's not; he's just massaging his own fragile ego.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,936
    DavidL said:

    Macron today will be interesting. He has an enormous sense of armour propre and strong views on Ukraine. He is much more likely to tell Trump or a news conference what he really thinks than Starmer. But he will also set the bar for Starmer too.

    All this and the Wooden Spoon decider at the ICC trophy on Wednesday. We live in interesting times.

    Is his "armour propre" the "force de frappe"?
    I think Skir will come away with a flea in his ears
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,292
    Afternoon all from Singapore :)

    Nineteen years on from my previous visit and I find Sentosa Island doing a passable imitation of Vegas with its own Resorts World (with casino) and monorail. The view from Palawan Beach hasn’t changed though with the rows of cargo vessels waiting to access Singapore Port.

    On topic, Poilievre is desperately trying to thread the eye of a needle. He once offered economic policies straight out of the GOP playbook and was as scathing about Government waste as Musk but now he is flailing trying not to get caught in the anti-Trump backwash.

    Who’d be a Conservative these days?

    Merz duly won in Germany but a weak success on a historically low vote for the Union. For the SPD and FDP, an unmitigated disaster with Lindner doing worse than Nick Clegg in 2015. The Greens live to fight another day while Linke have seen off BSW but the key message is, as in the UK, the old duopoly is crumbling as the combined Union/SPD vote fell to 45%, a historic low.

    Merz will form his coalition with the SPD and with an OVP/SPO/NEOS government looking likely in Austria, the populists in Central Europe will be condemned to supporting Trump from the futility of opposition.

    Thus do we political divergence and convergence occur simultaneously. Divergence with America but convergence between traditionally adversarial parties in the face of a common political threat.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,216
    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    I don't know why anyone is particularly surprised, though.
    It's how he's always conducted business - just ask the hundreds of contractors he's stiffed in the past. To say that he's not a strategic thinker would be generous.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    DavidL said:

    Macron today will be interesting. He has an enormous sense of armour propre and strong views on Ukraine. He is much more likely to tell Trump or a news conference what he really thinks than Starmer. But he will also set the bar for Starmer too.

    All this and the Wooden Spoon decider at the ICC trophy on Wednesday. We live in interesting times.

    This is exactly the moment to announce a boycott of the Afghanistan game, when we know it will send us out. And the Aussies can join in pain free.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,216
    carnforth said:

    As I posted on PB last week, I wrote to Severn Trent about this sentence in their email:

    "I want to reassure you that none of the bill increase will go towards executive director bonuses. Customers do not pay for bonuses; they are entirely funded by our investors."

    They have replied:

    "I can totally understand your scepticism around the link between bill increases and executive directors bonuses, however I want to assure you that none of our executive directors’ bonuses are paid for by Severn Trent Water, they are paid by Severn Trent Plc, which is funded by our investors.

    When setting prices for customers, Ofwat only allows Severn Trent Water to take into account the costs that we incur in delivering our service to customers. This does not include bonuses to our executive directors, so can assure you no part of the bill that you pay will go toward this."

    So that's ok then. They must own the water company as a hobby.

    We know that's a lie, as the water companies feel free to sue Ofwat when it shows any sign of actually doing its job.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/14/thames-water-launches-appeal-for-permission-to-raise-bills-even-higher
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,216
    Foxy said:

    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    China and Russia must love this: the West being divided and fighting amongst themselves, whilst they extend their sphere of influence in their own backyards.
    Yes, if Trump were actually a Russian agent, he couldn't do more.
    It's a not completely implausible theory.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,157
    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    1987: Reagan Imposes 100% Tariffs on Japan Goods

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-28-mn-698-story.html

    President Reagan decided Friday to impose punitive 100% tariffs on a wide variety of goods produced by Japanese electronic giants in retaliation for Tokyo’s failure to abide by the semiconductor trade agreement between the two nations.

    In approving a recommendation Thursday by the Administration’s top economic officials, the White House decided to put the tariffs into effect about April 17, less than two weeks before Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone is scheduled to begin a visit to the United States aimed at easing trade frictions.

    The tariffs will be targeted to bring in as much as $300 million and designed to punish such firms as NEC Corp., Hitachi Ltd., Fujitsu Ltd., Toshiba Corp. and Oki Corp. by either pricing some of their goods out of the American market or by forcing them to accept substantial losses on U.S. sales.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,996

    DavidL said:

    Merz is questioning whether the June conference of NATO will even happen: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpv4n0dg3v3o

    I think a big bunfest to wind it up would be appropriate, it was important to us for a long time but the party will not be fun if many of the attendees are not even speaking to each other. Merz wants a UK/France nuclear shield for Europe. The way he is talking he might even be willing to chip in the cost of it. We need to work out how we can make it less dependent on American assistance.

    5 eyes is going to be another casualty of Trump's madness. We need to work out how GCHQ can work on its own rather than part of an American led alliance.

    So much to do. Starmer is going to have his hands full. I frankly wonder if going to the White House is a good idea. Let's see how Macron gets on today.

    Yep, practiced rider of two horses that Starmer is, their rapid divergence may cause a tearing of his trousers if not something more intimate. Don’t think a state visit for Trumpy is going to fix it.
    I think a basic point is that toxic as he is as a human being and President, you are always better off meeting Trump than not as he does have a tendency to at least soften his views in the direction of the last person he's met/built any kind of rapport with.

    It's what generally worked in Trump's first term. Whether it can this time given the moment you leave he'll be surrounded by some of the worst people in America, is open to question. But you have to try, and might be more a case of all leaders trying to buy us (and Ukraine) as much time as possible.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,829
    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,340
    carnforth said:

    As I posted on PB last week, I wrote to Severn Trent about this sentence in their email:

    "I want to reassure you that none of the bill increase will go towards executive director bonuses. Customers do not pay for bonuses; they are entirely funded by our investors."

    They have replied:

    "I can totally understand your scepticism around the link between bill increases and executive directors bonuses, however I want to assure you that none of our executive directors’ bonuses are paid for by Severn Trent Water, they are paid by Severn Trent Plc, which is funded by our investors.

    When setting prices for customers, Ofwat only allows Severn Trent Water to take into account the costs that we incur in delivering our service to customers. This does not include bonuses to our executive directors, so can assure you no part of the bill that you pay will go toward this."


    So that's ok then. They must own the water company as a hobby.

    I can see what they are saying.

    Customer prices are negotiated with OFWAT based on a fixed return on the regulated operating base.

    This return is net of certain operating costs including an allowance for management and administrative costs. This does not include executive bonuses.

    Essentially what the company is saying is that executive bonuses are a “cost of doing business” in order to achieve the expected returns from their investment. Obviously in making an investment decision they look at the return after all costs so executive / holding company costs reduce the value they put on the company

    (The reason why the utility investors did so well over the last 15 years was that OFWAT persistently overestimated the cost of debt, allowing the companies to capture the spread by the assumed and actual cost of debt)
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,163
    Good analysis of the reasons behind the failure of BSW to break 5%

    https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bsw-verpasst-einzug-in-den-bundestag-war-es-das-fuer-sahra-wagenknecht-a-4a5398ce-68d4-46f6-b735-95b6a64f9ddf

    Basically the same factors discussed last night:
    Recent develooments in Ukraine undermining their "peace" mesage.

    Loss of support from leftwingers because of their willingness to vote alongside the AfD in Merz's stupid stunt.

    Loss of support from protest voters because they went into coalition with the SPD and CDU after their success in last year's elections in Brandenburg and Thüringen.

    A poor campaign and failure to click in the West and South outside of Wagenknecht's home state the Saarland.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,157
    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    That's very close to Brexiteer logic. Is it an insult if Starmer gets invited to a meeting of EU leaders rather than being treated as an equal?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,751
    The other question is how big will the Europeans' aid package be for Ukraine today? Will it be enough to see them through another 6 months? If so, Trump will have lost such control as he has and Russia will start to panic as their economic crisis intensifies.

    Ideally, we are looking for something close to $20bn with roughly 10% of that from us.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,724
    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,216
    DavidL said:

    Merz is questioning whether the June conference of NATO will even happen: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpv4n0dg3v3o

    I think a big bunfest to wind it up would be appropriate, it was important to us for a long time but the party will not be fun if many of the attendees are not even speaking to each other. Merz wants a UK/France nuclear shield for Europe. The way he is talking he might even be willing to chip in the cost of it. We need to work out how we can make it less dependent on American assistance.

    5 eyes is going to be another casualty of Trump's madness. We need to work out how GCHQ can work on its own rather than part of an American led alliance.

    So much to do. Starmer is going to have his hands full. I frankly wonder if going to the White House is a good idea. Let's see how Macron gets on today.

    If it's true that the US is completely indifferent towards Europe's security, then Merz's attitude makes complete sense.
    A world where the US won't ever contemplate the use of nuclear weapons in defence of Europe, and where Europe has no deterrent of its own, is one in which Russia is more likely to at the very least consider their use in furtherance of its strategic aims in Europe.

    A country prepared to suffer over half a million of its own casualties in a war which it started with its neighbour, is unlikely to baulk at the deaths of the few hundred thousand which would be the consequence of a limited strike on a couple of cities in a recalcitrant Europe.

    And in those circumstances, effectively the US nuclear shield provides some deterrence against escalation.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,472
    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    C'est pire qu'un crime, c'est une faute.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,163

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    That's very close to Brexiteer logic. Is it an insult if Starmer gets invited to a meeting of EU leaders rather than being treated as an equal?
    I'm glad to see you writing such utter bollocks because even the most sympathetic reader can't help but see you for what you are.

  • novanova Posts: 735

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    That's very close to Brexiteer logic. Is it an insult if Starmer gets invited to a meeting of EU leaders rather than being treated as an equal?
    Would it be an insult to say the UK should be run by Germany, and then hammer home the point by inviting Starmer to a meeting of regional German leaders?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,456

    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    1987: Reagan Imposes 100% Tariffs on Japan Goods

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-28-mn-698-story.html

    President Reagan decided Friday to impose punitive 100% tariffs on a wide variety of goods produced by Japanese electronic giants in retaliation for Tokyo’s failure to abide by the semiconductor trade agreement between the two nations.

    In approving a recommendation Thursday by the Administration’s top economic officials, the White House decided to put the tariffs into effect about April 17, less than two weeks before Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone is scheduled to begin a visit to the United States aimed at easing trade frictions.

    The tariffs will be targeted to bring in as much as $300 million and designed to punish such firms as NEC Corp., Hitachi Ltd., Fujitsu Ltd., Toshiba Corp. and Oki Corp. by either pricing some of their goods out of the American market or by forcing them to accept substantial losses on U.S. sales.
    The tariffs were on specific categories of imports of electronics, from one country, and covered only $300 million of import value. Are you seriously trying to claim equivalence with the incoherent policies they are proposing, then cancelling, then proposing again this time?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,829

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    That's very close to Brexiteer logic. Is it an insult if Starmer gets invited to a meeting of EU leaders rather than being treated as an equal?
    You seemed to have missed the obvious . Trump has said Canada should be a US state and this governors invitation is an insult . Starmer being invited to a meeting of EU leaders isn’t an insult .
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,456
    biggles said:

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
    Invite Trump to the AGM of the Ayrshire hoteliers association.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 770

    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    1987: Reagan Imposes 100% Tariffs on Japan Goods

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-28-mn-698-story.html

    President Reagan decided Friday to impose punitive 100% tariffs on a wide variety of goods produced by Japanese electronic giants in retaliation for Tokyo’s failure to abide by the semiconductor trade agreement between the two nations.

    In approving a recommendation Thursday by the Administration’s top economic officials, the White House decided to put the tariffs into effect about April 17, less than two weeks before Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone is scheduled to begin a visit to the United States aimed at easing trade frictions.

    The tariffs will be targeted to bring in as much as $300 million and designed to punish such firms as NEC Corp., Hitachi Ltd., Fujitsu Ltd., Toshiba Corp. and Oki Corp. by either pricing some of their goods out of the American market or by forcing them to accept substantial losses on U.S. sales.
    Do you not see the difference between using tariffs to remedy a specific economic or trade issue and using them to bully other countries into adopting different domestic policies or because you don't like their leader.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,829
    DavidL said:

    The other question is how big will the Europeans' aid package be for Ukraine today? Will it be enough to see them through another 6 months? If so, Trump will have lost such control as he has and Russia will start to panic as their economic crisis intensifies.

    Ideally, we are looking for something close to $20bn with roughly 10% of that from us.

    The traitorous scum Orbán is going to block that . They refuse to approve any more arms sales .
  • Alternative fur Putin :lol:

    Good morning!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,199

    kamski said:

    dunham said:

    MikeL said:

    CDU/CSU 28.6%
    AFD 20.8%
    SPD 16.4%
    Green 11.6%
    Linke 8.8%

    Total of above = 86.2%

    CDU/CSU + SPD has 45% - well over half of the 86.2%.

    They're held up by older voters.

    We are at very high risk of getting a radical right or radical left government in several European countries in the next 10-20 years.

    Neither will be pleasant.
    It looks as if a Grand Coalition (CDU/CSU + SPD) will be possible now that the final results of this German federal election are in; it will have just 45% of the vote share and have 328/630 seats in the Bundestag. By contrast, the first post-WW2 German Grand Coalition in 1966-9 represented over 80% of voters and had 447/496 seats, with the FDP forming the sole opposition.

    The opposition parties in the new Bundestag all appear to be from the radical left or right (apart from the sole seat for the Danish regional party), unless the German Green party is more moderate than its British equivalent, which seems now to be a home for some of the Corbynite left wing. Comparisons with the UK are not always appropriate; with a similar GE result in the UK, the most likely coalition would be between the Tories and Reform.

    The Greens are center-left if anything.
    The AfD are more Britain First/EDL than Reform
    I can't imagine Britain First/EDL being led by a Goldman Sachs alumna.
    I can.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,157
    TimS said:

    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    1987: Reagan Imposes 100% Tariffs on Japan Goods

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-28-mn-698-story.html

    President Reagan decided Friday to impose punitive 100% tariffs on a wide variety of goods produced by Japanese electronic giants in retaliation for Tokyo’s failure to abide by the semiconductor trade agreement between the two nations.

    In approving a recommendation Thursday by the Administration’s top economic officials, the White House decided to put the tariffs into effect about April 17, less than two weeks before Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone is scheduled to begin a visit to the United States aimed at easing trade frictions.

    The tariffs will be targeted to bring in as much as $300 million and designed to punish such firms as NEC Corp., Hitachi Ltd., Fujitsu Ltd., Toshiba Corp. and Oki Corp. by either pricing some of their goods out of the American market or by forcing them to accept substantial losses on U.S. sales.
    The tariffs were on specific categories of imports of electronics, from one country, and covered only $300 million of import value. Are you seriously trying to claim equivalence with the incoherent policies they are proposing, then cancelling, then proposing again this time?
    I'm just questioning the idea that conducting a muscular trade policy with an ally should be regarded as such a catastrophic breach of norms.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,472

    carnforth said:

    As I posted on PB last week, I wrote to Severn Trent about this sentence in their email:

    "I want to reassure you that none of the bill increase will go towards executive director bonuses. Customers do not pay for bonuses; they are entirely funded by our investors."

    They have replied:

    "I can totally understand your scepticism around the link between bill increases and executive directors bonuses, however I want to assure you that none of our executive directors’ bonuses are paid for by Severn Trent Water, they are paid by Severn Trent Plc, which is funded by our investors.

    When setting prices for customers, Ofwat only allows Severn Trent Water to take into account the costs that we incur in delivering our service to customers. This does not include bonuses to our executive directors, so can assure you no part of the bill that you pay will go toward this."


    So that's ok then. They must own the water company as a hobby.

    I can see what they are saying.

    Customer prices are negotiated with OFWAT based on a fixed return on the regulated operating base.

    This return is net of certain operating costs including an allowance for management and administrative costs. This does not include executive bonuses.

    Essentially what the company is saying is that executive bonuses are a “cost of doing business” in order to achieve the expected returns from their investment. Obviously in making an investment decision they look at the return after all costs so executive / holding company costs reduce the value they put on the company

    (The reason why the utility investors did so well over the last 15 years was that OFWAT persistently overestimated the cost of debt, allowing the companies to capture the spread by the assumed and actual cost of debt)
    I would be very interested to see why/how the cost of borrowing was handled like this.

    The only fig leaf I can think of is - “Borrowing costs are absurdly low. If they vaguely return to normal in the next year.. we should allow for that”.

    But a decade plus of that is an enormous fuckup.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,973
    biggles said:

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
    Scottish Hoteliers’ Allied Traders*, Aberdeenshire Greenkeepers’ Association?

    *SHAT
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 557
    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
    Invite Trump to the AGM of the Ayrshire hoteliers association.
    According to the Daily Mail, Trump will be invited to address the HoC and tea with Charles.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14425567/No10-Donald-Trump-Parliament-Special-Relationship.html
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,829
    Battlebus said:

    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
    Invite Trump to the AGM of the Ayrshire hoteliers association.
    According to the Daily Mail, Trump will be invited to address the HoC and tea with Charles.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14425567/No10-Donald-Trump-Parliament-Special-Relationship.html
    Pathetic and desperate. Wtf is Starmer doing .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,216
    Stereodog said:

    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    1987: Reagan Imposes 100% Tariffs on Japan Goods

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-28-mn-698-story.html

    President Reagan decided Friday to impose punitive 100% tariffs on a wide variety of goods produced by Japanese electronic giants in retaliation for Tokyo’s failure to abide by the semiconductor trade agreement between the two nations.

    In approving a recommendation Thursday by the Administration’s top economic officials, the White House decided to put the tariffs into effect about April 17, less than two weeks before Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone is scheduled to begin a visit to the United States aimed at easing trade frictions.

    The tariffs will be targeted to bring in as much as $300 million and designed to punish such firms as NEC Corp., Hitachi Ltd., Fujitsu Ltd., Toshiba Corp. and Oki Corp. by either pricing some of their goods out of the American market or by forcing them to accept substantial losses on U.S. sales.
    Do you not see the difference between using tariffs to remedy a specific economic or trade issue and using them to bully other countries into adopting different domestic policies or because you don't like their leader.
    There's also rather a large difference between the prevailing conditions of the 80s, and the current world economic system.

    Such a move now is liable to force what are currently US allies into reconsidering who to side with in the competition with China. It's not a very palatable choice, but self preservation might eventually require it.

    Japan in the 80s had nowhere to go, and it's certainly true that the tariffs were pretty successful in helping end their semiconductor dominance. The options for Taiwan or South Korea today are a little different.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 723
    Battlebus said:

    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
    Invite Trump to the AGM of the Ayrshire hoteliers association.
    According to the Daily Mail, Trump will be invited to address the HoC and tea with Charles.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14425567/No10-Donald-Trump-Parliament-Special-Relationship.html
    Are there any stores of Plutonium at Buck House?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,973
    Battlebus said:

    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
    Invite Trump to the AGM of the Ayrshire hoteliers association.
    According to the Daily Mail, Trump will be invited to address the HoC and tea with Charles.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14425567/No10-Donald-Trump-Parliament-Special-Relationship.html
    ‘Do try this special Russian blend, Donald.’
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,472

    biggles said:

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
    Scottish Hoteliers’ Allied Traders*, Aberdeenshire Greenkeepers’ Association?

    *SHAT
    Scottish Hoteliers’ Independent Traders - Shirley?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,456

    TimS said:

    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    1987: Reagan Imposes 100% Tariffs on Japan Goods

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-28-mn-698-story.html

    President Reagan decided Friday to impose punitive 100% tariffs on a wide variety of goods produced by Japanese electronic giants in retaliation for Tokyo’s failure to abide by the semiconductor trade agreement between the two nations.

    In approving a recommendation Thursday by the Administration’s top economic officials, the White House decided to put the tariffs into effect about April 17, less than two weeks before Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone is scheduled to begin a visit to the United States aimed at easing trade frictions.

    The tariffs will be targeted to bring in as much as $300 million and designed to punish such firms as NEC Corp., Hitachi Ltd., Fujitsu Ltd., Toshiba Corp. and Oki Corp. by either pricing some of their goods out of the American market or by forcing them to accept substantial losses on U.S. sales.
    The tariffs were on specific categories of imports of electronics, from one country, and covered only $300 million of import value. Are you seriously trying to claim equivalence with the incoherent policies they are proposing, then cancelling, then proposing again this time?
    I'm just questioning the idea that conducting a muscular trade policy with an ally should be regarded as such a catastrophic breach of norms.
    Just pause, take a breath, look at what Trump, Musk, Vance and crew are actually saying and doing and reflect. That’s before we even go there with Trump thinking VAT is a customs duty.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,314
    Battlebus said:

    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
    Invite Trump to the AGM of the Ayrshire hoteliers association.
    According to the Daily Mail, Trump will be invited to address the HoC and tea with Charles.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14425567/No10-Donald-Trump-Parliament-Special-Relationship.html
    is this a good idea? I don't know. Is it best to flatter him like this (and he certainly enjoys it) to influence him or does it just reinforce his view that being a bully works and it just get worse?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,249

    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    1987: Reagan Imposes 100% Tariffs on Japan Goods

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-28-mn-698-story.html

    President Reagan decided Friday to impose punitive 100% tariffs on a wide variety of goods produced by Japanese electronic giants in retaliation for Tokyo’s failure to abide by the semiconductor trade agreement between the two nations.

    In approving a recommendation Thursday by the Administration’s top economic officials, the White House decided to put the tariffs into effect about April 17, less than two weeks before Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone is scheduled to begin a visit to the United States aimed at easing trade frictions.

    The tariffs will be targeted to bring in as much as $300 million and designed to punish such firms as NEC Corp., Hitachi Ltd., Fujitsu Ltd., Toshiba Corp. and Oki Corp. by either pricing some of their goods out of the American market or by forcing them to accept substantial losses on U.S. sales.
    Under Reagan, we knew that if the USSR threatened to nuke European targets, the USA would threaten swift and terrible retribution.

    Under Trump, we know that if Russia threatened to nuke European targets, the USA would say “nice cities you’ve got there, be a shame if something happened to them.”
  • So the Putinist party failed to reach 5%.

    #splittingthevote
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,160
    nico67 said:

    Battlebus said:

    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
    Invite Trump to the AGM of the Ayrshire hoteliers association.
    According to the Daily Mail, Trump will be invited to address the HoC and tea with Charles.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14425567/No10-Donald-Trump-Parliament-Special-Relationship.html
    Pathetic and desperate. Wtf is Starmer doing .
    The only thing he can. The British state is highly optimised toward subservience to the USA. That's not going to change overnight. Canada being butthurt, that Ukraine thing if it's even still going, etc. are minor issues compared to that governing principle.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 557
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    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Sean_F said:

    Bullying this country, Canada, and Europe into spending more on the military, and not freeloading off the USA, is perfectly fair and reasonable (Ireland should be bullied, as well).

    Turning allies into enemies, through tariffs; accusing them of “stealing” from the US, by selling consumers goods and services that they want; threatening to invade allied States, and seize territory off them; cutting deals with their enemies to gain mineral rights.

    Those things are worse than unethical. They are massive blunders.

    1987: Reagan Imposes 100% Tariffs on Japan Goods

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-28-mn-698-story.html

    President Reagan decided Friday to impose punitive 100% tariffs on a wide variety of goods produced by Japanese electronic giants in retaliation for Tokyo’s failure to abide by the semiconductor trade agreement between the two nations.

    In approving a recommendation Thursday by the Administration’s top economic officials, the White House decided to put the tariffs into effect about April 17, less than two weeks before Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone is scheduled to begin a visit to the United States aimed at easing trade frictions.

    The tariffs will be targeted to bring in as much as $300 million and designed to punish such firms as NEC Corp., Hitachi Ltd., Fujitsu Ltd., Toshiba Corp. and Oki Corp. by either pricing some of their goods out of the American market or by forcing them to accept substantial losses on U.S. sales.
    The tariffs were on specific categories of imports of electronics, from one country, and covered only $300 million of import value. Are you seriously trying to claim equivalence with the incoherent policies they are proposing, then cancelling, then proposing again this time?
    I'm just questioning the idea that conducting a muscular trade policy with an ally should be regarded as such a catastrophic breach of norms.
    Just pause, take a breath, look at what Trump, Musk, Vance and crew are actually saying and doing and reflect. That’s before we even go there with Trump thinking VAT is a customs duty.
    Isn't this Roosevelt's "speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far" Only Trump forgot the first part of the advice.

    We can only respond and triangulate. It's normal in politics but can Starmer finesse our position with such a chaotic administration.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,973

    biggles said:

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
    Scottish Hoteliers’ Allied Traders*, Aberdeenshire Greenkeepers’ Association?

    *SHAT
    Scottish Hoteliers’ Independent Traders - Shirley?
    Respecting Scotland’s linguistic norms, Scottish Hoteliers’ Independent Traders Enterprise.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,472
    SandraMc said:

    Battlebus said:

    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
    Invite Trump to the AGM of the Ayrshire hoteliers association.
    According to the Daily Mail, Trump will be invited to address the HoC and tea with Charles.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14425567/No10-Donald-Trump-Parliament-Special-Relationship.html
    Are there any stores of Plutonium at Buck House?
    Polonium, old chap, polonium. Plutonium is nasty poison, but not in the same class.

    Polonium is entertaining stuff. It's not worth storing - the decay rate is pretty high. Which is part of it's... charm....
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,212
    Starmer is right to meet Trump. If anything we need to buy some time to allow us and European partners to work out the way forwards.

    Long term, I am not convinced that the UK will be able to keep up the balancing act and at some point is likely to gravitate back to Europe, because our defence and economic interests primarily lie there.

    Once Merz takes office there is likely a narrow window of opportunity to agree a plan of action for Europe. Personally I think defence reform will have to go hand-in-hand with EU reform but the latter is the trickier proposition.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,281
    In Canada it certainly seems the Conservatives are at risk of losing the big majority they were forecast until recently as anti US feeling grows their over Trump's tariffs and annexation threats and as Carney is seen as a more competent figure than Trudeau or Poilievre to handle the economy and deal with Trump. Indeed Poilievre while still likely to win most seats could even fail to get any majority at all.

    At least in Germany Trump can still say the tough on immigration right of centre Merz led CDU and CSU conservatives won even if they will be more pro Zelensky than the pro Putin AfD. If the Liberals win in Canada that would be a clear defeat for Conservatives (and even there Poilievre's Conservatives are still more moderate than Bernier's Trumpite populist Peoples' party who are minor also rans unlike the AfD in Germany)
  • Scores on the door after three years:

    https://www.facebook.com/GeneralStaff.ua/posts/pfbid0UxrJb5sq6yRMyzLbxZskZkXvvSTUcraM3bUTWbJkXgWM8XSaRTTJtzPZSAdaggU1l

    Likely an overestimate but then there will be other Russian losses from damage, accidents, lack of maintenance.

    The Russian military has been broken in Ukraine.

    And the longer it continues the longer it will take for Russia to recover - every further month's losses might take a year to replace.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,829
    Dura_Ace said:

    nico67 said:

    Battlebus said:

    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
    Invite Trump to the AGM of the Ayrshire hoteliers association.
    According to the Daily Mail, Trump will be invited to address the HoC and tea with Charles.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14425567/No10-Donald-Trump-Parliament-Special-Relationship.html
    Pathetic and desperate. Wtf is Starmer doing .
    The only thing he can. The British state is highly optimised toward subservience to the USA. That's not going to change overnight. Canada being butthurt, that Ukraine thing if it's even still going, etc. are minor issues compared to that governing principle.
    A state visit legitimizes Trump . And what if he becomes even more of a Putin arselicker before that .
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,421

    So the Putinist party failed to reach 5%.

    #splittingthevote

    And the FDP have gone. Was that expected?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,281
    nico67 said:

    Battlebus said:

    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    nico67 said:

    Trumps treatment of Canada is even by his standards a new low .

    He insulted Trudeau again by inviting him to a US governors meeting .

    Let’s invite him to join the Local Governmebr Association.
    Invite Trump to the AGM of the Ayrshire hoteliers association.
    According to the Daily Mail, Trump will be invited to address the HoC and tea with Charles.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14425567/No10-Donald-Trump-Parliament-Special-Relationship.html
    Pathetic and desperate. Wtf is Starmer doing .
    Trying to ensure the UK avoids Trump's next round of tariffs
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