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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,106
    Would they pay for it themselves though. or expect someone else to?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,421
    Leon said:

    On top of this we get all the stories of illegal migrant Albanian rapist-murderers being allowed to stay because their wife’s pet parakeet dislikes Tirana

    If the left REALLY wants a reform government, way to go
    I don't remember the Parakeet story, do you have a source other than Fox or GBeebies?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,820
    Andy_JS said:

    Why do so many Europeans think it's okay to insult America all the time while also lecturing the country on how it should deploy its military and other assets? Seems like an odd combination.

    The objection is to Trump imposing a surrender deal on our behalf, while disclaiming any responsibility for the aftermath.

    Obviously we can't tell the US how to deploy its assets.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Why do so many Europeans think it's okay to insult America all the time while also lecturing the country on how it should deploy its military and other assets? Seems like an odd combination.

    Well quite.

    Others due for a rethink include Tory politicians forever slashing defence, and all the armchair experts who say Britain should buy arms off the shelf rather than maintain domestic manufacturing capacity – fine until the seller stops selling.

    Not to mention anyone who has ever posted to pb the phrase Trump Derangement Syndrome.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,106
    edited February 13
    Lord Sumption on Times Radio, interview with Hugo Rifkind.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,424
    Taz said:

    What is the rationale for banning battery storage ? Inefficiency ? Safety ?
    It’s a shot across the bows of Rupert Lowe who owns a battery storage company.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,808
    Leon said:

    A lot of PBers don’t understand ordinary people. On an ordinary income

    For them, to loaf about a nice 4 star hotel for weeks on end with nothing to do but eat nice marks and Spencer food - and then get it all cleaned by cleaners - is a dream. That will never come true

    So, yes, tiny examples like this are grievously insulting to millions of Brits
    The great disrupter will disrupt everything, and a lot of things that were impossible last week will become possible. For example, it may not be long before USA citizens are making asylum claims in UK/Canada etc.

    Another is this, and it will be very tempting: that the minimum rights and privileges of refugees and asylum seekers anywhere in the world are to be identical. Just because you get to UK/NZ/Germany/Canada will give you neither more nor fewer rights and privileges that you have in Chad or Bangladesh. Tent. Three meals a day unless Musk says otherwise. Primary education for children unless USAID stops it. Flight home ASAP.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,109
    Leon said:

    A lot of PBers don’t understand ordinary people. On an ordinary income

    For them, to loaf about a nice 4 star hotel for weeks on end with nothing to do but eat nice marks and Spencer food - and then get it all cleaned by cleaners - is a dream. That will never come true

    So, yes, tiny examples like this are grievously insulting to millions of Brits
    Luckily we have you to aid comprehension of ordinary people, and where to get the best oysters in London.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Andy_JS said:

    Would they pay for it themselves though. or expect someone else to?
    Already being taught in schools, so no need to clutch your DT to your chest.

  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,261
    edited February 13
    BBC going big on Reeves exaggerating her time at BOE and something to do with expenses….
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,106
    Latest polls show nearly a third of Germans are likely to vote for one of the non-mainstream parties, AfD, Linke, BSW.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/jan/07/german-election-2025-opinion-poll-tracker-bundestag-chancellor
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,274

    I don't remember the Parakeet story, do you have a source other than Fox or GBeebies?
    Are you a moron?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,274

    Luckily we have you to aid comprehension of ordinary people, and where to get the best oysters in London.
    Indeed. My wide experience of life affords me an overview denied to those with more limited existences
  • Carnyx said:

    Even a majority of Reform voters want Welsh! Which is interesting because it clearly is not entirely an incoming retiree vote.
    The crap thing about the UK Census in Wales 2021 is that it only asks people if they "are able" to speak/write/understand Welsh, NOT if they consider it their main language/home language/first language. A similar situation exists in the Republic regarding the Irish language in their 2022 Census.

    Happily, the Census for England, Northern Ireland, and Scotland (2022 Census) did ask about "main language".

    So it's rather easy to find data for England:

    English as main language 90.8%
    Celtic languages and Scots 0.02%

    Johnny Foreigner languages:
    Other European 4.7%
    Asian/Mid East 4.1%
    African 0.4%
    Others 0.1% (inc. Sign)

    Scotland:

    English as main language 94.5%
    Scots 0.25%
    Gaelic 0.05%
    Sign: 0.05%
    Others 5.2%

    NI:

    English as main language: 95.4%
    Polish: 1.1%
    Lithuanian 0.5%
    Irish: 0.3%
    Romanian: 0.3%
    Arabic: 0.2%
    Bulgarian 0.2%
    Others: 1.8% (inc. Ulster Scots)


    However, for the Republic (2022), the stats tell us:

    Speak a language other than English OR Irish at home: 15.1%
    Speak Irish "outside the education system": 1.5%

    So does that mean only (100-(15.1+1.5)) 83.4% speak English at home?


    And for Wales:

    English OR Welsh as main language: 96.7%
    Other European lingo: 1.8%
    Asian/Mid East: 1.4%
    African 0.1%
    Others: 0.07%
    and also, separately:
    "Able to speak" Welsh 17.8%

    So does that mean (96.7-17.8) 78.9% speak English at home? Throw me a bone here!
  • Leon said:

    A lot of PBers don’t understand ordinary people. On an ordinary income

    For them, to loaf about a nice 4 star hotel for weeks on end with nothing to do but eat nice marks and Spencer food - and then get it all cleaned by cleaners - is a dream. That will never come true

    So, yes, tiny examples like this are grievously insulting to millions of Brits
    Is that what Rupe is on about? M&S food and some sort of takeaway meal?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,808
    Nigelb said:

    The objection is to Trump imposing a surrender deal on our behalf, while disclaiming any responsibility for the aftermath.

    Obviously we can't tell the US how to deploy its assets.
    Though if the European non USA elements of NATO (population about 500 million - about USA and Russia combined - and two nuclear powers) had had its act together its combined population, potential firepower and clout would have got in first with imposing a deal. And it has had several years warning that this was coming.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,274

    Is that what Rupe is on about? M&S food and some sort of takeaway meal?
    There ya go again. Laugh at all the poor hardworking Brits and scoff at Reform

    This shit is gonna devour you
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116

    It’s a shot across the bows of Rupert Lowe who owns a battery storage company.
    Ah, we're going down the People's Front of Judaea line with them, possibly.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    Leon said:

    There ya go again. Laugh at all the poor hardworking Brits and scoff at Reform

    This shit is gonna devour you
    Oh come on, this is a predominantly middles class forum with lots of middle class people.

    If this place cannot laugh at the underclass where can ?
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,445
    edited February 13
    Selebian said:

    .

    Hang on, private sector pay growing more than public sector? Have I been misinformed by people on here? What about the incoming Labour government caving in to all those excessive public sector pay demands?
    It didn't cave in across the public sector - just to some heavily unionised groups. The remainder will have to wait for their increases in the public sector pay round (I think 2.8% in April).

    What we seem to be seeing, given the increase in union power, unjustified minimum wage increases and labour market regulation, is the return of a rigid, insider-outsider labour market, similar to those we see in say France. Those in permanent, protected jobs do much better than their productivity indicates they should, because it is so difficult to fire them, while those out of work or trying to break in find it extremely challenging because employers are more reluctant to hire as they are uncertain about their productivity.

    It's a recipe for a segregated, stagnant labour market with high unemployment but good short-term wage growth if you're middle-aged and in permanent employment.

    I'm glad I'm not young and trying to get my first job though.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    The crap thing about the UK Census in Wales 2021 is that it only asks people if they "are able" to speak/write/understand Welsh, NOT if they consider it their main language/home language/first language. A similar situation exists in the Republic regarding the Irish language in their 2022 Census.

    Happily, the Census for England, Northern Ireland, and Scotland (2022 Census) did ask about "main language".

    So it's rather easy to find data for England:

    English as main language 90.8%
    Celtic languages and Scots 0.02%

    Johnny Foreigner languages:
    Other European 4.7%
    Asian/Mid East 4.1%
    African 0.4%
    Others 0.1% (inc. Sign)

    Scotland:

    English as main language 94.5%
    Scots 0.25%
    Gaelic 0.05%
    Sign: 0.05%
    Others 5.2%

    NI:

    English as main language: 95.4%
    Polish: 1.1%
    Lithuanian 0.5%
    Irish: 0.3%
    Romanian: 0.3%
    Arabic: 0.2%
    Bulgarian 0.2%
    Others: 1.8% (inc. Ulster Scots)


    However, for the Republic (2022), the stats tell us:

    Speak a language other than English OR Irish at home: 15.1%
    Speak Irish "outside the education system": 1.5%

    So does that mean only (100-(15.1+1.5)) 83.4% speak English at home?


    And for Wales:

    English OR Welsh as main language: 96.7%
    Other European lingo: 1.8%
    Asian/Mid East: 1.4%
    African 0.1%
    Others: 0.07%
    and also, separately:
    "Able to speak" Welsh 17.8%

    So does that mean (96.7-17.8) 78.9% speak English at home? Throw me a bone here!
    Not relevant, in a sense, though: if the *voters* want to continue something, as they clearly do, then it shoudl continue.
  • Leon said:

    Are you a moron?
    I thought it was because chicken nuggets?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    I thought it was because chicken nuggets?
    Parakeet nuggets, obvs.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,393

    The reason that electric cars have orders of magnitude less fires than diesel/petrol is because of careful design.

    Tesla cybertrucks are more dangerous than Ford Pintos
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    In news that will surprise no one Reeves "exaggerated Bank of England experience on her CV"

    Cannot say I care greatly. I doubt she is the only one who ever did it anyway

    All that matters is how good she is in the job given it is one of patronage.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/rachel-reeves-exaggerated-bank-of-england-experience-on-her-cv/ar-AA1yY6zt?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=a534dd62f91a4292a3bf8c2d8367aa5a&ei=17
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,474
    algarkirk said:

    Though if the European non USA elements of NATO (population about 500 million - about USA and Russia combined - and two nuclear powers) had had its act together its combined population, potential firepower and clout would have got in first with imposing a deal. And it has had several years warning that this was coming.
    Once Trump was elected again a peace deal in Ukraine on current boundaries was always likely.

    Unless NATO European nations and Canada significantly increased defence spending to enable Zelensky to continue the war without any US funding
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,106

    The crap thing about the UK Census in Wales 2021 is that it only asks people if they "are able" to speak/write/understand Welsh, NOT if they consider it their main language/home language/first language. A similar situation exists in the Republic regarding the Irish language in their 2022 Census.

    Happily, the Census for England, Northern Ireland, and Scotland (2022 Census) did ask about "main language".

    So it's rather easy to find data for England:

    English as main language 90.8%
    Celtic languages and Scots 0.02%

    Johnny Foreigner languages:
    Other European 4.7%
    Asian/Mid East 4.1%
    African 0.4%
    Others 0.1% (inc. Sign)

    Scotland:

    English as main language 94.5%
    Scots 0.25%
    Gaelic 0.05%
    Sign: 0.05%
    Others 5.2%

    NI:

    English as main language: 95.4%
    Polish: 1.1%
    Lithuanian 0.5%
    Irish: 0.3%
    Romanian: 0.3%
    Arabic: 0.2%
    Bulgarian 0.2%
    Others: 1.8% (inc. Ulster Scots)


    However, for the Republic (2022), the stats tell us:

    Speak a language other than English OR Irish at home: 15.1%
    Speak Irish "outside the education system": 1.5%

    So does that mean only (100-(15.1+1.5)) 83.4% speak English at home?


    And for Wales:

    English OR Welsh as main language: 96.7%
    Other European lingo: 1.8%
    Asian/Mid East: 1.4%
    African 0.1%
    Others: 0.07%
    and also, separately:
    "Able to speak" Welsh 17.8%

    So does that mean (96.7-17.8) 78.9% speak English at home? Throw me a bone here!
    Good point. The census was badly designed in several ways, not least the trans question, which led to the highest proportions being found in places like Tower Hamlets.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,421
    Leon said:

    Are you a moron?
    maybe...
  • The crap thing about the UK Census in Wales 2021 is that it only asks people if they "are able" to speak/write/understand Welsh, NOT if they consider it their main language/home language/first language. A similar situation exists in the Republic regarding the Irish language in their 2022 Census.

    Happily, the Census for England, Northern Ireland, and Scotland (2022 Census) did ask about "main language".

    So it's rather easy to find data for England:

    English as main language 90.8%
    Celtic languages and Scots 0.02%

    Johnny Foreigner languages:
    Other European 4.7%
    Asian/Mid East 4.1%
    African 0.4%
    Others 0.1% (inc. Sign)

    Scotland:

    English as main language 94.5%
    Scots 0.25%
    Gaelic 0.05%
    Sign: 0.05%
    Others 5.2%

    NI:

    English as main language: 95.4%
    Polish: 1.1%
    Lithuanian 0.5%
    Irish: 0.3%
    Romanian: 0.3%
    Arabic: 0.2%
    Bulgarian 0.2%
    Others: 1.8% (inc. Ulster Scots)


    However, for the Republic (2022), the stats tell us:

    Speak a language other than English OR Irish at home: 15.1%
    Speak Irish "outside the education system": 1.5%

    So does that mean only (100-(15.1+1.5)) 83.4% speak English at home?


    And for Wales:

    English OR Welsh as main language: 96.7%
    Other European lingo: 1.8%
    Asian/Mid East: 1.4%
    African 0.1%
    Others: 0.07%
    and also, separately:
    "Able to speak" Welsh 17.8%

    So does that mean (96.7-17.8) 78.9% speak English at home? Throw me a bone here!
    Basically, you cannot simply average Wales. Most of Wales speaks English but parts of North and West Wales – Welsh Wales – speak Welsh as their first language. It is misleading to try and average out areas that are near as damn it 100 per cent or zero per cent.

    This is slightly complicated by Welsh being taught in schools but a bunch of schoolchildren who will soon forget how to discuss la plume de ma tante can safely be ignored. In my limited experience of dealing with large Welsh organisations, they have specialist translation units.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,093

    Two to Tango. I support an end to the killing in both conflicts.You support kids been shot in the head as long as there only Arabs.

    Seems you just can't get enough death and destruction

    Your goodie baddie and Western World police depiction of world affairs is over for the next 4 years
    I don't want any death and destruction. You do - which is why you support Hamas and Putin. Why does a leftie so-called socialist suddenly support fascism?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,384
    HYUFD said:

    Once Trump was elected again a peace deal in Ukraine on current boundaries was always likely.

    Unless NATO European nations and Canada significantly increased defence spending to enable Zelensky to continue the war without any US funding
    Sadly I have to agree.

    To be fair, I'm sure the US was never going to put 'boots on the ground' in Ukraine, and neither was Western Europe/Canada. Poland might have.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,188
    .
    Taz said:

    What is the rationale for banning battery storage ? Inefficiency ? Safety ?
    A indirect way of nobbling solar and wind, I guess. Same with making new electricity transmission more expensive by burying cables.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    20 injured in Munich as car drives into crowd.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9x22dj423t

    It was a Trades Union Demo, not a Just Stop Oil protest.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,424
    TimS said:

    The current “negotiations” Trump is entering feel more Molotov-Ribbentrop than Munich, with Trump being the complacent and naive Stalin and Putin the Hitler.
    Stalin was not naive. He knew the war was coming and got something out of the deal.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,384

    Basically, you cannot simply average Wales. Most of Wales speaks English but parts of North and West Wales – Welsh Wales – speak Welsh as their first language. It is misleading to try and average out areas that are near as damn it 100 per cent or zero per cent.

    This is slightly complicated by Welsh being taught in schools but a bunch of schoolchildren who will soon forget how to discuss la plume de ma tante can safely be ignored. In my limited experience of dealing with large Welsh organisations, they have specialist translation units.
    Wasn't it one of those 'specialist translation units' which returned an 'out of office' message that ended up being accepted as a genuine translation.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,811
    edited February 13
    Taz said:

    In news that will surprise no one Reeves "exaggerated Bank of England experience on her CV"

    Cannot say I care greatly. I doubt she is the only one who ever did it anyway

    All that matters is how good she is in the job given it is one of patronage.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/rachel-reeves-exaggerated-bank-of-england-experience-on-her-cv/ar-AA1yY6zt?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=a534dd62f91a4292a3bf8c2d8367aa5a&ei=17

    But why is this news just as reshuffle speculation begins?

    And why has reshuffle talk started a week after the Premier League transfer window closed? Does Yvette Cooper share an agent with Eastenders star Jarrod Bowen?
    https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/west-ham-jarrod-bowen-eastenders-cameo-40th-anniversary-b1210800.html

    ETA I still have a Queen Vic beermat from the BBC's prelaunch publicity for Eastenders. I've never watched the show, not even when my mate's daughter's friend was one of its main stars.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,093
    TimS said:

    Because quite a few on the far left are, in fact, fascists. The Soviet Union should have taught us all that.

    They like strongmen and distrust institutions. Unless those institutions are implemented by strongmen. Like Russia’s promised new “LGBT register”.
    In addition, there is a fair amount of anti-Semitism about on the left, as well as the right.

    This means Hamas killing Israelis is a-okay, as Israelis are Jewish. And Zelenskyy is Jewish, and therefore obviously on the wrong side of history. And Russia has been historically fairly open to anti-Semitism, so they're the good guys.

    Which is all odd, considering how many Jews were involved with developing socialism and socialist theory...
  • Boo hoo

    Your boy that you assured us was going to win

    Hasnt
    Neither has yours.

    Wars take time, it isn't over yet.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116
    Selebian said:

    .

    A indirect way of nobbling solar and wind, I guess. Same with making new electricity transmission more expensive by burying cables.
    I am not one of these eco loons who demand net zero now, but I can see the sense in moving away from oil and gas as quickly as possible and we should facilitate it as soon as possible without fucking our economy.

    I do not get what the motivation is to nobble solar and wind. It is a part of a balanced energy portfolio
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Selebian said:

    .

    A indirect way of nobbling solar and wind, I guess. Same with making new electricity transmission more expensive by burying cables.
    Fear of it at the bottom of the garden. THough one does see cases like this: if it's on the BBC I wonder how it's dealt with in the likes of GB News. NB this is in a Tory/Borders area so a fair target for Reforms.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c99xm474pj7o
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgznp16wkgo
  • In addition, there is a fair amount of anti-Semitism about on the left, as well as the right.

    This means Hamas killing Israelis is a-okay, as Israelis are Jewish. And Zelenskyy is Jewish, and therefore obviously on the wrong side of history. And Russia has been historically fairly open to anti-Semitism, so they're the good guys.

    Which is all odd, considering how many Jews were involved with developing socialism and socialist theory...
    Which is what Hitler had against them.

    There is a theory that much Middle East antisemitism can be traced back to Nazi propaganda broadcasts in the region, aimed at stirring up nationalist resentment of British occupiers.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,093

    The reason that electric cars have orders of magnitude less fires than diesel/petrol is because of careful design.

    A professor in the field - Japanese lady, forget her name - published a paper, years back which established that if you used batteries that were slightly less than peak power to weight (last years design essentially) and were careful with charging, the risk collapses near zero.

    Tesla used just obsolete cells from the start - they originally bought the entire output from “last years” Panasonic battery factories. They combined this with carefully controlled charging, fuses to isolate parts of the pack and water cooling. The water cooling keeps the temperature of the pack very even during charging and mitigates fire risk. The final touch is armouring around the pack (used as structure in the car, to save weight).

    These ideas all came from the custom electrification industry in LA - pre-Tesla, you could get any car turned into electric by a small number of custom shops. The first Teslas were about systematising this into small volume production.

    All the serious EV makers do similar stuff.

    The e-bike batteries have none of this, and poor quality control on top.

    "The reason that electric cars have orders of magnitude less fires than diesel/petrol is because of careful design."

    I'd point out that an awful lot of fires in diesel and petrol cars happen in older cars. When comparing such things, you need to compare cars of similar ages and sizes. Comparing a general car fleet with an average age of about nine years, with a much younger electric car fleet, is incorrect.

    Ditto safety.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,787

    In addition, there is a fair amount of anti-Semitism about on the left, as well as the right.

    This means Hamas killing Israelis is a-okay, as Israelis are Jewish. And Zelenskyy is Jewish, and therefore obviously on the wrong side of history. And Russia has been historically fairly open to anti-Semitism, so they're the good guys.

    Which is all odd, considering how many Jews were involved with developing socialism and socialist theory...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Polish_political_crisis#Anti-Zionist/Jewish_mobilization_and_purges,_party_politics - for example
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,820
    viewcode said:
    Picking up on my recent nod to the old guy ?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 878
    Sean_F said:

    You're a liar.

    You support death and destruction, when it's inflicted upon people you hate (Jews, Ukrainians).
    Biden has to shoulder some responsibility here.
    A friend who's an expert in US history said close to the outset that he thought the US would provide enough support to stop Ukraine losing but not enough to end the war.
    His reading was that the US wanted Russia tied up in a long conflict and had no humanitarian considerations.
    That's what seems to have played out, though in hindsight the only point at which it could have been ended swiftly was right at the beginning when the Russian tanks were stuck on the roads.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,000
    Taz said:

    I am not one of these eco loons who demand net zero now, but I can see the sense in moving away from oil and gas as quickly as possible and we should facilitate it as soon as possible without fucking our economy.

    I do not get what the motivation is to nobble solar and wind. It is a part of a balanced energy portfolio
    If your funders are oil rich foreign billionaires.......
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,329

    Stalin was not naive. He knew the war was coming and got something out of the deal.
    Yes and no. Stalin knew that war was coming eventually. But, he gave Germany some tremendous advantages, in terms of supplying oil and food, and was wilfully blind to the coming storm, in 1941.
  • Leon said:

    There ya go again. Laugh at all the poor hardworking Brits and scoff at Reform

    This shit is gonna devour you
    Actually I was criticising Rupert Lowe for not making clear what he was moaning about.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,517
    edited February 13

    That's not the point, is it? Hotels have cleaners. Or is Rupe just complaining that refugees eat in their rooms? Heaven knows there are criticisms to be made but is this really one of them?
    I think one of the reasons hotels like housing asylum seekers - apart from the stable income, of course - is that they only do weekly cleaning / sheet changing.

    (The picture looks fine to me, though.)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,093
    Dopermean said:

    Biden has to shoulder some responsibility here.
    A friend who's an expert in US history said close to the outset that he thought the US would provide enough support to stop Ukraine losing but not enough to end the war.
    His reading was that the US wanted Russia tied up in a long conflict and had no humanitarian considerations.
    That's what seems to have played out, though in hindsight the only point at which it could have been ended swiftly was right at the beginning when the Russian tanks were stuck on the roads.
    Biden does have some of the blame on his shoulders.

    But in his defence, it was not as though the GOP were screaming for him to support Ukraine. In fact, they were screaming for him *not* to support Ukraine. That made it much harder for Biden to support Ukraine much more than he did.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,528
    edited February 13
    Sean_F said:

    Yes and no. Stalin knew that war was coming eventually. But, he gave Germany some tremendous advantages, in terms of supplying oil and food, and was wilfully blind to the coming storm, in 1941.
    IIRC accounts from the time suggest that Stalin was completely blind-sided when Germany attacked the Soviet Union: Locked himself away for days - the Politburo had to go in and convince him to come out & start taking decisions.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,421

    Actually I was criticising Rupert Lowe for not making clear what he was moaning about.
    Is Leon a moron? Maybe...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,424
    Phil said:

    IIRC contemporaneous accounts suggest that Stalin was completely blind-sided when Germany attacked the Soviet Union: Locked himself away for days - the Politburo had to go in and convince him to come out & start taking decisions.
    I think the timing of it was what through him. Maybe he allowed himself to believe that the pact was real? Or maybe it was just the fact that the front was so rapidly collapsing (see also Paris, 1940).
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,410
    Phil said:

    This from Reform is a classic: https://x.com/reformparty_uk/status/1889763078310371762

    If they said they were banning subsidies on these things, then OK. Free market rulez & all that. But forcing the grid to bury cables? Banning battery storage? Every policy here is going to raise bills, not lower them!

    It seems that if you’re pro-development the only party you can reasonably vote for right now (no matter how flawed) is the Labour Party.

    Hang on a minute. You (forgive me if I'm recalling this wrongly) have passionately defended 20mph zones on the grounds of safety, as well as ULEZ zones on the grounds of pollution danger. Yet you're happy with a Wild West situation in the setting up of massive battery stations, when one recently caught fire in California, causing skyscraper flames that couldn't be extinguished and despoiling the country for miles around. So do your lot actually give a shit about safety, or is safety just a weapon to be deployed in the defence of your agenda, happily ignored when it suits you?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,612
    Unpopular opinion on here but I don't think it's fair to describe peace talks/deal in Ukraine as appeasement.

    There was lots of fighting done to get to this point, and it looks like both Ukraine and Russia have suffered massive massive losses.

    I can't pretend to know what's in Putins head, but if he is in anyway rationale he must see that further military adventures in Europe are going to be very costly. If a peace deal involved European troops in Ukraine to guarantee it, surely that further raises costs of breaking the rules. But its pretty shit for the Ukranians who are now part of Russia....
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,188
    .
    Taz said:

    I am not one of these eco loons who demand net zero now, but I can see the sense in moving away from oil and gas as quickly as possible and we should facilitate it as soon as possible without fucking our economy.

    I do not get what the motivation is to nobble solar and wind. It is a part of a balanced energy portfolio
    There are votes in being against Green Crap and also in NIMBYISM in communities that think they will/may get battery storage (and associated solar or wind nearby, if not already there).

    Agree on the mix and batteries will be a big part of that. In most cases, it shouldn't be hard to shield battery installations from view, I would have thought - ring of trees round the outside - but I'm no expert. Pylons to the site obviously a harder thing to hide.

    FWIW, there are some proposed schemes near me and I'm all in favour. Given when I moved here there was a pleasant country walk from my in-laws' that offered views of three coal-fired power stations* (all three at once, from one viewpoint, on a clear day) I have a slightly different perspective on what ugly power infrastructure looks like.

    *only the greenwashed Drax now remains; Eggborough and Ferrybridge are gone
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,328
    edited February 13

    BBC going big on Reeves exaggerating her time at BOE and something to do with expenses….

    Two stories at the top of the BBC news site on Reeves, based on BBC investigations, one on exaggerations about her time at BoE and one on possibly dodgy expenses claims when she was at HBOS. It's a pretty devastating set of headlines. I think it may carry more weight than all the previous "Labour scandals" that fizzled out (dressgate etc.).
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,612
    Selebian said:

    .

    Hang on, private sector pay growing more than public sector? Have I been misinformed by people on here? What about the incoming Labour government caving in to all those excessive public sector pay demands?
    Yes I did think it was worth including that snippet ;)
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    edited February 13
    As harsh as this seems, and as brutal as this seems, Trump and the US have a point here, at least for the short-term.

    As I see it, there's always been four options

    1) Give Ukraine the tools needed, and frankly the NATO troops to kick Russia out, escalating the war.
    2) Give Ukraine just enough to hold off, but not really make any end to the war possible.
    3) Do a deal and Russia get something out of it
    4) Let Russia Win.

    What the US have done is say they don't support 2 anymore, and 1 was always off the table. In terms of bloodshed, it's the best option. In terms of Geo-politics and the future, it's not looking good, but then Russia is always now going to be threat to Europe one way or another.

    What we can't do is turn the clock back to 2020 which I think what a lot of people want to happen.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,921
    Nigelb said:

    Picking up on my recent nod to the old guy ?
    Actually, yes! More specifically, you and a YouTuber I like mentioned him around the same time. Jung's Synchronicity strikes again!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,000
    rkrkrk said:

    Unpopular opinion on here but I don't think it's fair to describe peace talks/deal in Ukraine as appeasement.

    There was lots of fighting done to get to this point, and it looks like both Ukraine and Russia have suffered massive massive losses.

    I can't pretend to know what's in Putins head, but if he is in anyway rationale he must see that further military adventures in Europe are going to be very costly. If a peace deal involved European troops in Ukraine to guarantee it, surely that further raises costs of breaking the rules. But its pretty shit for the Ukranians who are now part of Russia....

    Your assumption of what is in Putins head is the problem.

    He will think further military adventures will be tolerated by the West. He does not give a damn about the human cost, it is all about expanding the map.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,528
    edited February 13
    This is an hilarious bit of spin by pro-Hermer insiders: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/feb/13/attorney-general-richard-hermer-lightning-rod-for-criticism-of-starmer

    Ah yes, the man who advises our government to pay Mauritius to take the Chagos Islands who also just happens to be working for the Mauritian government at the same time ought to be above criticism according to these loons. Give me strength.

    If the man wanted to remain in post as Attorney General then he should have recused himself from any legal process where the government was dealing with a current or former client. Not to do so displays an astonishing political naivete frankly. Odds on he gets the boot in the next re-shuffle I suspect.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,921
    Taz said:
    "The" Hamas? I know what you meant, but the definite article made it sound as if it was a band releasing an album.
  • 'Reeves is Safe' - how many times can the header have been out of date so quickly?

    Not sure what the value for Starmer is in keeping her on. He's not big on loyalty and she appears a liability. Suspect he'll have to rethink that reshuffle again,

    Without the Munich incident, BBC would be leading on Reeves and her grubby time at the banks.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,093
    rkrkrk said:

    Unpopular opinion on here but I don't think it's fair to describe peace talks/deal in Ukraine as appeasement.

    There was lots of fighting done to get to this point, and it looks like both Ukraine and Russia have suffered massive massive losses.

    I can't pretend to know what's in Putins head, but if he is in anyway rationale he must see that further military adventures in Europe are going to be very costly. If a peace deal involved European troops in Ukraine to guarantee it, surely that further raises costs of breaking the rules. But its pretty shit for the Ukranians who are now part of Russia....

    You miss the way Putin works. Military expansionism is only one route: he also favours political expansionism. As we see in Belarus, it works very well for him. And if you look at the likes of Hungary and Romania, you can see him trying similar techniques.

    What we are seeing from Trump et al is exactly appeasement. Worse, Trump may head to the sort of deal that Hitler and Stalin did over Poland...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,424
    Taz said:

    20 injured in Munich as car drives into crowd.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9x22dj423t

    It was a Trades Union Demo, not a Just Stop Oil protest.

    Perpetrator was a 26-year-old Afghan migrant.

    https://m.bild.de/regional/muenchen/muenchen-auto-faehrt-in-menschengruppe-mehrere-verletzte-67adbe661371a020a1013b96
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,724
    edited February 13
    Taz said:

    I am not one of these eco loons who demand net zero now, but I can see the sense in moving away from oil and gas as quickly as possible and we should facilitate it as soon as possible without fucking our economy.

    I do not get what the motivation is to nobble solar and wind. It is a part of a balanced energy portfolio
    Umm, I think that is enough to make you an eco loon in the eyes of folk like Luckyguy1983. Especially given that literally nobody is demanding net zero now.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,109
    viewcode said:

    "The" Hamas? I know what you meant, but the definite article made it sound as if it was a band releasing an album.
    The reunion tour sponsored by Bibi International coming soon.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,528

    As harsh as this seems, and as brutal as this seems, Trump and the US have a point here, at least for the short-term.

    As I see it, there's always been four options

    1) Give Ukraine the tools needed, and frankly the NATO troops to kick Russia out, escalating the war.
    2) Give Ukraine just enough to hold off, but not really make any end to the war possible.
    3) Do a deal and Russia get something out of it
    4) Let Russia Win.

    What the US have done is say they don't support 2 anymore, and 1 was always off the table. In terms of bloodshed, it's the best option. In terms of Geo-politics and the future, it's not looking good, but then Russia is always now going to be threat to Europe one way or another.

    What we can't do is turn the clock back to 2020 which I think what a lot of people want to happen.

    It also very unclear what the US means by a deal: freeze the current line of conflict? Have Russia give up the Donbas in return for Ukranian territorial control over parts of Kursk & any claim over Crimea?

    I suspect the Ukranians would be happy to go for the latter, but it will be unacceptable to Putin. Which is going to make things a little awkward for Mr “Art of the Deal”.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 878
    edited February 13

    Hang on a minute. You (forgive me if I'm recalling this wrongly) have passionately defended 20mph zones on the grounds of safety, as well as ULEZ zones on the grounds of pollution danger. Yet you're happy with a Wild West situation in the setting up of massive battery stations, when one recently caught fire in California, causing skyscraper flames that couldn't be extinguished and despoiling the country for miles around. So do your lot actually give a shit about safety, or is safety just a weapon to be deployed in the defence of your agenda, happily ignored when it suits you?
    What's your position on nuclear power stations? 3 mile island, Chenobyl, Fukushima all that?
    Oil and gas? Piper Alpha etc

    It won't be a "Wild West" situation, large BESS will have to conform to regulations on design and operation - safety.

    UK see 1600 RTA fatalities per year plus serious injuries, a large number due to people driving too fast for the conditions, dangerously, carelessly or inattentively. UK workrelated inc members of the public around 200, there is probably some crossover with RTAs.
    20mph limits do something to address RTA KSIs, not as much as properly policing and sanctioning drivers would, but then it would be politically impossible to ban all drivers whose standard of driving is unsafe/below an acceptable standard because there are so many of them!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,820
    Brianna Keilar: Do you think that calling Elon Musk a dick is effective messaging?

    Congressman Robert Garcia: Well, he is a dick.

    https://x.com/RepRobertGarcia/status/1889767639754445038
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,528

    Two stories at the top of the BBC news site on Reeves, based on BBC investigations, one on exaggerations about her time at BoE and one on possibly dodgy expenses claims when she was at HBOS. It's a pretty devastating set of headlines. I think it may carry more weight than all the previous "Labour scandals" that fizzled out (dressgate etc.).
    Someone is gunning for her internally, clearly. Wonder who?

    Streeting going for the Chancellorship perhaps?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,517

    'Reeves is Safe' - how many times can the header have been out of date so quickly?

    Not sure what the value for Starmer is in keeping her on. He's not big on loyalty and she appears a liability. Suspect he'll have to rethink that reshuffle again,

    Without the Munich incident, BBC would be leading on Reeves and her grubby time at the banks.

    The fact she lied about being at the BoE for six years rather than ten is old hat. The BBC revelation it was actually five-and-a-half years is very thin.

    Seems like they just wanted an exclusive. Or, maybe they know she is for the chop and want the credit.
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 468
    edited February 13

    Two stories at the top of the BBC news site on Reeves, based on BBC investigations, one on exaggerations about her time at BoE and one on possibly dodgy expenses claims when she was at HBOS. It's a pretty devastating set of headlines. I think it may carry more weight than all the previous "Labour scandals" that fizzled out (dressgate etc.).
    The one on exaggerating her time at BoE also reveals that she left HBOS with a compromise agreement. The BBC says HBOS used it when senior managers were made redundant. I don't know if that is the only situation where HBOS used such agreements, but they are generally used whenever an employer wants to get rid of an employee without risking a claim for unfair dismissal. This is also mentioned in the expenses article. It seems the BBC has been supplied with a statement from her lawyer saying that no allegations of wrongdoing or misconduct were mentioned by the HBOS HR team during this process. In my experience, such allegations are usually conveyed to the employee by their manager and are not communicated to the employee's lawyer by the employer. So it is certainly possible that she was sacked over the expenses issue.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,517
    Phil said:

    Someone is gunning for her internally, clearly. Wonder who?

    Streeting going for the Chancellorship perhaps?
    Ah, I missed the expenses one.

    "Gillett also made another claim about Reeves's time at the bank from 2006 to 2009, writing that she: "Nearly got sacked due to an expenses scandal where the 3 senior managers were all signing off each others expenses."

    This was doing the rounds on Twitter. I didn't post it on PB for obvious reasons. The BBC's investigation looks damning.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,011
    Tim Radford, who was science editor of Guardian for twenty-odd years has sadly passed away.

    His simple guide of tips for reporters and associated flint knappers is a classic:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2011/jan/19/manifesto-simple-scribe-commandments-journalists
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,203
    Phil said:

    Someone is gunning for her internally, clearly. Wonder who?
    Has Dominic Cummings gone freelance?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,328
    Phil said:

    Someone is gunning for her internally, clearly. Wonder who?

    Streeting going for the Chancellorship perhaps?
    The BBC reporting appears to be down to their own investigations, contacting her former colleagues. I don't see it's evidence that someone is "gunning for her internally".
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,808

    As harsh as this seems, and as brutal as this seems, Trump and the US have a point here, at least for the short-term.

    As I see it, there's always been four options

    1) Give Ukraine the tools needed, and frankly the NATO troops to kick Russia out, escalating the war.
    2) Give Ukraine just enough to hold off, but not really make any end to the war possible.
    3) Do a deal and Russia get something out of it
    4) Let Russia Win.

    What the US have done is say they don't support 2 anymore, and 1 was always off the table. In terms of bloodshed, it's the best option. In terms of Geo-politics and the future, it's not looking good, but then Russia is always now going to be threat to Europe one way or another.

    What we can't do is turn the clock back to 2020 which I think what a lot of people want to happen.

    I think there is a lot of sense in this. Europe can't expect USA to do what Europe won't start doing for itself. If for the last three years European NATO countries had been pleading with USA to join them in their massive ongoing military operations with the Ukrainians it would be different. And if before this started European NATO states had united in a plan that an attack on Ukraine was to be deemed an attack on NATO territory it would be different.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Tim Radford, who was science editor of Guardian for twenty-odd years has sadly passed away.

    His simple guide of tips for reporters and associated flint knappers is a classic:

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2011/jan/19/manifesto-simple-scribe-commandments-journalists

    Shame. I knew him. A great guy.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,203
    viewcode said:

    "The" Hamas? I know what you meant, but the definite article made it sound as if it was a band releasing an album.
    "Hostage as planned" is a memorable if shite difficult second album title...
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,378

    Hang on a minute. You (forgive me if I'm recalling this wrongly) have passionately defended 20mph zones on the grounds of safety, as well as ULEZ zones on the grounds of pollution danger. Yet you're happy with a Wild West situation in the setting up of massive battery stations, when one recently caught fire in California, causing skyscraper flames that couldn't be extinguished and despoiling the country for miles around. So do your lot actually give a shit about safety, or is safety just a weapon to be deployed in the defence of your agenda, happily ignored when it suits you?
    I haven't seen the original Reform quote so maybe I am being unfair, but the original post just said 'Banning battery storage' so I am relying on that. I hope that is not what Reform are proposing.

    Nobody here said they were in favour of unsafe battery storage, they were just commenting upon banning battery storage (safe or otherwise). You brought in the unsafe element to the discussion. All energy production is dangerous and has environmental impacts, particularly when it goes wrong and nuclear, solar, wind, etc, etc tend to have a much better safety and environmental record than traditional energy production. That doesn't mean they don't have any impact or go wrong, sometime spectacularly. You try to mitigate that.

    The alternative is no energy production whatsoever.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,203
    Phil said:

    Someone is gunning for her internally, clearly. Wonder who?
    Probably not Starmer. Listening to Reeves this morning, she makes Starmer sound like the greatest orator of our times. So on the basis of "if you want to look thin, hang around fat people", she's safe.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,798
    edited February 13

    As harsh as this seems, and as brutal as this seems, Trump and the US have a point here, at least for the short-term.

    As I see it, there's always been four options

    1) Give Ukraine the tools needed, and frankly the NATO troops to kick Russia out, escalating the war.
    2) Give Ukraine just enough to hold off, but not really make any end to the war possible.
    3) Do a deal and Russia get something out of it
    4) Let Russia Win.

    What the US have done is say they don't support 2 anymore, and 1 was always off the table. In terms of bloodshed, it's the best option. In terms of Geo-politics and the future, it's not looking good, but then Russia is always now going to be threat to Europe one way or another.

    What we can't do is turn the clock back to 2020 which I think what a lot of people want to happen.

    No-one trusts Trump to distinguish between options 3 and 4. Tellingly Putin thinks he's on course for a total surrender by Ukraine. Unless Trump surprises everyone the choice is actually between allowing Ukraine to hold on at little cost to the USA or allow defeat. I don't think Trump does have a point, either moral or geopolitical.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,203
    Nigelb said:

    Brianna Keilar: Do you think that calling Elon Musk a dick is effective messaging?

    Congressman Robert Garcia: Well, he is a dick.

    https://x.com/RepRobertGarcia/status/1889767639754445038

    From the Dr. Venkman school of insults.

    "Yes it's true. This man has no dick."
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 878

    Umm, I think that is enough to make you an eco loon in the eyes of folk like Luckyguy1983. Especially given that literally nobody is demanding net zero now.
    The problem with Energy production PLCs is the senior leadership who appear to only be interested in how much they can trouser in bonuses and share options before they get paid off. So no Energy company seems to have a vision beyond the share price in the next 3-5 years.
    All this delaying investment, reverse-ferreting, just results in a massive increase in costs and years of delay. Projects just end up being re-engineered several times over but delivered once.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,011
    US eggs price up 15% in January.

    So well worth throwing away two hundreds of democracy for.

  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,261

    Two stories at the top of the BBC news site on Reeves, based on BBC investigations, one on exaggerations about her time at BoE and one on possibly dodgy expenses claims when she was at HBOS. It's a pretty devastating set of headlines. I think it may carry more weight than all the previous "Labour scandals" that fizzled out (dressgate etc.).
    Hmm… it does certainly feel like this might have some length to run too. The expenses story has a lot of “we don’t know this yet” style reporting - it feels like they’re fishing.

    I don’t think Reeves has impressed, and actually I think one of the issues is that presentationally she’s too similar to Starmer. That was fine in opposition but he could do with a foil. Another face that isn’t just growth, duty, studious, serious. A bit more dynamic.

    It would hurt him to ditch her so early. But she is, I think, the biggest drag on the government’s fortunes.

  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116

    US eggs price up 15% in January.

    So well worth throwing away two hundreds of democracy for.

    I posted about egg prices and inflation earlier in the week.

    That will do for Trump far more than any of the issues on here people obsess about.

    He nailed his mast to solving cost of living. If he fails he's done. Inflation is creeping back up and now egg prices are on the rise.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,236
    edited February 13
    Dopermean said:

    The problem with Energy production PLCs is the senior leadership who appear to only be interested in how much they can trouser in bonuses and share options before they get paid off. So no Energy company seems to have a vision beyond the share price in the next 3-5 years.
    All this delaying investment, reverse-ferreting, just results in a massive increase in costs and years of delay. Projects just end up being re-engineered several times over but delivered once.
    Sounds exactly like Governments who are only interested in what ever will get them reelected in 3-5 years.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,116

    "Hostage as planned" is a memorable if shite difficult second album title...
    But, to be fair, their line up is constantly changing due to the targetted assassinations from their rivals.

    I mean it is hardly Blur v Oasis, but all the same, they constantly need a new front man.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 878
    Dopermean said:

    The problem with Energy production PLCs is the senior leadership who appear to only be interested in how much they can trouser in bonuses and share options before they get paid off. So no Energy company seems to have a vision beyond the share price in the next 3-5 years.
    All this delaying investment, reverse-ferreting, just results in a massive increase in costs and years of delay. Projects just end up being re-engineered several times over but delivered once.
    I'd further suggest that any company board that proposes share buybacks should be summarily dismissed.
    If there is spare capital then it should be used for investment in the company, a share buyback is an admission that the board do not know how to grow or improve the company's productivity.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,793
    -3.2% business investment in Q4, dragging down the annual rate from 4.4% growth to -0.7%, if that's not the warning sign flashing red I don't know what is.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,612

    Your assumption of what is in Putins head is the problem.

    He will think further military adventures will be tolerated by the West. He does not give a damn about the human cost, it is all about expanding the map.
    But like... this military incursion wasn't tolerated? As in Europe (and US) mobilised enormous resources to thwart his invasion and are now rearming?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,149
    edited February 13
    ..
  • Streeting for PM.

    BREAKING: The number of people on NHS waiting lists in England has fallen for the fourth month in a row, new figures show.

    https://x.com/skynews/status/1889987457141063896?s=61&t=c6bcp0cjChLfQN5Tc8A_6g
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,011
    Phil said:

    Someone is gunning for her internally, clearly. Wonder who?

    Streeting going for the Chancellorship perhaps?

    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    1h
    I'm also not sure how that happens innocently. How does four and a half years become, in your own head, "a decade"? Who misremembers four and a half years as being a decade?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 878

    Sounds exactly like Governments who are only interested in what ever will get them reelected in 3-5 years.
    Similar issue, though at least they want to get re-elected rather than planning for their exit.
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