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Like King James VI & I can Farage unite two auld enemies under one crown? – politicalbetting.com

In private, informal discussions have taken place with figures in both parties. The argument advanced by those privy to the talks is that the next election will probably be closer than the last. ?? Katy Balls https://t.co/D4Xm0fNMmK

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  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,806
    Fiiiiiiiiiiiirst
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,920
    This is what noneoftheabove is predicting will happen. Farage reverses RUK into the Cons and takes over.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,479
    edited February 6
    "The next election will probably be closer than the last."
    No problem with planetary intellects like that negotiating.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173
    Just read that the BoE voted to cut interest rates at the same time that they projected another rise in inflation. You can bet if that lot think inflation will go up to 3.7% and take another 2.5 years to drop to target, the reality will be that it'll go up to more like 7-8% and not come back down until they're forced to reverse ferret.

    In the meantime, lower savings rates and cheaper borrowing. What could possibly go wrong?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,500
    dixiedean said:

    "The next election will probably be closer than the last."
    No problem with planetary intellects like that negotiating.

    That means it's less than a year off ?!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,500
    The Very Odd Couple.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,798
    I think a merger with the tories as the junior faction is possible or even likely if Labour win the next GE.

    A pact is a dreadful necessity for both at the next GE so it'll probably happen. Farage did it before with die Brexitpartie and, despite his oft expressed desire to kill the tories off completely, he'd probably rather have the extra 50 seats he'd get from a pact. Nobody gives a fuck what Kemi thinks or wants.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,425
    edited February 6


    Today's Mirror front page shows why there is an appetite for NOTA parties like Reform but Kemi's problem remains that if Britain is broken, it was her lot that broke it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,171
    Either there is one or Labour get back in. And we've already seen the damage they've managed to do in just 6 months.

    It really is as simple as that.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,171
    Only just seen previous thread..

    Those are encouraging figures for Farage and suggest pushing up to 35%+ of the vote is feasible for him.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,806
    Dura_Ace said:

    I think a merger with the tories as the junior faction is possible or even likely if Labour win the next GE.

    A pact is a dreadful necessity for both at the next GE so it'll probably happen. Farage did it before with die Brexitpartie and, despite his oft expressed desire to kill the tories off completely, he'd probably rather have the extra 50 seats he'd get from a pact. Nobody gives a fuck what Kemi thinks or wants.

    Farage did a unilateral thing before, a sign of weakness ultimately. The question is whether they can do a bilateral agreement, and on what scale. (LibDems and Greens have done some small scale agreements before and you can see Reform UK doing that, but that's fiddling around at the edges stuff, not entering No. 10 stuff.)
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173
    Dura_Ace said:

    I think a merger with the tories as the junior faction is possible or even likely if Labour win the next GE.

    A pact is a dreadful necessity for both at the next GE so it'll probably happen. Farage did it before with die Brexitpartie and, despite his oft expressed desire to kill the tories off completely, he'd probably rather have the extra 50 seats he'd get from a pact. Nobody gives a fuck what Kemi thinks or wants.

    If events play out in that fashion over the medium term then it'll be interesting to see whether anything resembling Reform can win back the kind of well-off upper middle class Southern English places that defected to the Lib Dems, or if it just ends up taking a long and circuitous journey back to being the Conservative Party again.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,625
    Casino_Royale said:

    Either there is one or Labour get back in. And we've already seen the damage they've managed to do in just 6 months.

    It really is as simple as that.

    The first six months of Labour have been very disappointing.

    They still appear glorious compared to the last two years of the Conservatives. Not all of that is Sunak's fault - his legacy was poisoned - but they were out of ideas, out of talent and very tired.

    But I'm far from convinced that an alliance with Reform will be an improvement. Quite the opposite, from my point of view.

    Having said that, I expected more of Labour, even under Starmer. They have squandered a heck of a lot of goodwill already, which could have lasted them at least one parliament. And most of their problems are own goals.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,500
    I see Honda/Nissan is off.

    Nissan were under the mistaken apprehension that it was a merger of equals.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    In private, informal discussions have taken place with figures in both parties.

    Does this mean anything more than "Farage/Tice bumped into Jenrick in a Commons bar"?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,500
    edited February 6
    Driver said:

    In private, "informal discussions" have taken place with figures in both parties.

    Does this mean anything more than "Farage/Tice bumped into Jenrick in a Commons bar"?

    Could be a euphemism...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,481
    DecrepiterJohnL said:



    Today's Mirror front page shows why there is an appetite for NOTA parties like Reform but Kemi's problem remains that if Britain is broken, it was her lot that broke it.

    No way the Mirror would have run that front page even a year ago

    Something is afoot. The vibeshift is upon us
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,481
    Driver said:

    In private, informal discussions have taken place with figures in both parties.

    Does this mean anything more than "Farage/Tice bumped into Jenrick in a Commons bar"?

    It’s the Spectator for fucks sake. The most important and influential journal in the land and probably the most prestigious magazine on earth
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    Nigelb said:

    Driver said:

    In private, "informal discussions" have taken place with figures in both parties.

    Does this mean anything more than "Farage/Tice bumped into Jenrick in a Commons bar"?

    Could be a euphemism...
    Not Ugandan discussions, I hope.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,424
    How will that work for the right-wing donors who fund Reform (previously Brexit/UKIP) and the Conservative party?
    Once they're joined then they can no longer drag the Conservative Party further right by backing and promoting Reform and the Conservative Party might drift back towards sanity.
    They'd have to start yet another Party.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,624
    For all those of us who will not besmirch our souls or squeaky bottoms with the Speccie, an archive link is here: https://archive.is/S2c1y

    I also give you an interesting article by cocaine user and political failure Michael Gove on Morgan McSweeney: https://archive.is/dUAQh
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,381
    edited February 6
    Driver said:

    In private, informal discussions have taken place with figures in both parties.

    Does this mean anything more than "Farage/Tice bumped into Jenrick in a Commons bar"?

    Look, I know I am well known for subtlety but if you re-read the final sentence you can see why I consider this a solid story, one of my Twitter followers published this story and they are very well connected in Tory party circles, in fact some consider him the éminence grise behind Badenoch.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,962
    Leon said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:



    Today's Mirror front page shows why there is an appetite for NOTA parties like Reform but Kemi's problem remains that if Britain is broken, it was her lot that broke it.

    No way the Mirror would have run that front page even a year ago

    Something is afoot. The vibeshift is upon us
    True, Davina was old news a year ago but she’s had a bit of a renaissance over the past few months.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,624
    It'll be the SDP/Liberal Alliance again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDP–Liberal_Alliance
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,998
    The stuff Philp was coming out with on migration this morning sounded very Reformy, probably perhaps even slightly to the right of ol' Nige tbh !
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,806
    edited February 6
    Casino_Royale said:

    Either there is one or Labour get back in. And we've already seen the damage they've managed to do in just 6 months.

    It really is as simple as that.

    The absence of a pact would be good news for Labour and all the other parties, but I don't think it follows that without a pact, Labour definitely get back in. Alternative scenarios include:

    * One or other party collapses or gets eaten by the other.
    * The relevant portion of the electorate self-segregates or learns to tactically vote.
    * Labour does so badly that the Con/Ref split doesn't matter.
    * Labour collapse but an alternative centre/left-of-centre/left party arises that benefits from a Con/Ref split.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,425
    Nigelb said:

    I see Honda/Nissan is off.

    Nissan were under the mistaken apprehension that it was a merger of equals.

    Nissan squandered its lead in EVs. Are any other carmakers in that boat?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,032
    Aw TSE - I thought you were going to be talking about the Slab-ScoRef merger in Holyrood!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,998
    Nigelb said:

    I see Honda/Nissan is off.

    Nissan were under the mistaken apprehension that it was a merger of equals.

    All the Nissan board need to do is type "Market cap Nissan" "Market cap Honda" into Google to see this is obviously not the case.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Driver said:

    In private, informal discussions have taken place with figures in both parties.

    Does this mean anything more than "Farage/Tice bumped into Jenrick in a Commons bar"?

    Look, I know I am well known for subtlety but if you re-read the final sentence you can see why I consider this a solid story, one of my Twitter followers published this story and they are very well connected in Tory party circles, in fact some consider him the éminence grise behind Badenoch.
    That could perhaps mean that they want it to be true, of course.

    It is, of course, blindingly obvious that come the next election there will need to be at least a tacit non-aggression pact between the two, as otherwise only Starmer benefits. That's a long way from promoting a merger - unless, of course, your aim is to destabilise the current Tory leader, like at least one person quoted in that article clearly does.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,381
    Driver said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Driver said:

    In private, informal discussions have taken place with figures in both parties.

    Does this mean anything more than "Farage/Tice bumped into Jenrick in a Commons bar"?

    Look, I know I am well known for subtlety but if you re-read the final sentence you can see why I consider this a solid story, one of my Twitter followers published this story and they are very well connected in Tory party circles, in fact some consider him the éminence grise behind Badenoch.
    That could perhaps mean that they want it to be true, of course.

    It is, of course, blindingly obvious that come the next election there will need to be at least a tacit non-aggression pact between the two, as otherwise only Starmer benefits. That's a long way from promoting a merger - unless, of course, your aim is to destabilise the current Tory leader, like at least one person quoted in that article clearly does.
    He doesn’t want it to be true, Gove loves the Tory party and deep down detests Farage.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,084
    kinabalu said:

    This is what noneoftheabove is predicting will happen. Farage reverses RUK into the Cons and takes over.

    More importantly it is what Farage has been predicting for over a decade.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,127
    If there are any truth to these rumours then the Tories ought to beware the example of the 1903 Lib/Lab pact. It contributed to the Liberal Party's stonking 1906 election victory but gave a crucial leg up to the party who would ultimately replace them.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,084
    Stereodog said:

    If there are any truth to these rumours then the Tories ought to beware the example of the 1903 Lib/Lab pact. It contributed to the Liberal Party's stonking 1906 election victory but gave a crucial leg up to the party who would ultimately replace them.

    The time to beware of Farage and his money men was about a decade ago. Too late now.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,425
    Why can't Britain build infrastructure?

    Why can't we be like Oklahoma and stop the Nimbys by simply not telling them their houses will be demolished? (one and a bit minute video)
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XbzNWSNrL-Q

    The comments compare it to the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,032
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Why can't Britain build infrastructure?

    Why can't we be like Oklahoma and stop the Nimbys by simply not telling them their houses will be demolished? (one and a bit minute video)
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XbzNWSNrL-Q

    The comments compare it to the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

    And the road authority bought up all the obvious website names for protests months in advance ...

    Isn't that a toll motorway, too? Nice little earner for someone, if privatised.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,590
    Leon said:

    Driver said:

    In private, informal discussions have taken place with figures in both parties.

    Does this mean anything more than "Farage/Tice bumped into Jenrick in a Commons bar"?

    It’s the Spectator for fucks sake. The most important and influential journal in the land and probably the most prestigious magazine on earth
    What, Razzle ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,590
    Pulpstar said:

    The stuff Philp was coming out with on migration this morning sounded very Reformy, probably perhaps even slightly to the right of ol' Nige tbh !

    Problem is, given their form in office, who will believe them anyway ?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,693
    Bob Marley would have been 80 today. Who knows what wonderful music we missed out on by his way too early departure.

    A former girlfriend of mine was on the German leg of the Uprising Tour as their German interpretor. Statuesque flaxen-haired beauty. Bit of a hit, I think...
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 451
    I see that Rupert Lowe, who voted for the Assisted Dying bill at first reading, has now indicated he will vote against it (unless something dramatic changes).

    It passed by 330-275. Are there enough like-minded MPs who have been put off by the Leadbeater approach?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,767
    On topic, no chance.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,531
    A
    Carnyx said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Why can't Britain build infrastructure?

    Why can't we be like Oklahoma and stop the Nimbys by simply not telling them their houses will be demolished? (one and a bit minute video)
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XbzNWSNrL-Q

    The comments compare it to the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

    And the road authority bought up all the obvious website names for protests months in advance ...

    Isn't that a toll motorway, too? Nice little earner for someone, if privatised.
    There is something impressive about the Vogonity on display with that one.

    Buying up the protest domains is 8D chess.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,998
    Taz said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The stuff Philp was coming out with on migration this morning sounded very Reformy, probably perhaps even slightly to the right of ol' Nige tbh !

    Problem is, given their form in office, who will believe them anyway ?
    Ferrari pointed out they couldn't even seem to deport murderers and rapists whilst in power let alone people earning under 30 grand a year...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,693
    CharlieShark said:

    I see that Rupert Lowe, who voted for the Assisted Dying bill at first reading, has now indicated he will vote against it (unless something dramatic changes).

    It passed by 330-275. Are there enough like-minded MPs who have been put off by the Leadbeater approach?

    Have we heard more than just the one name though?
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,590
    Pulpstar said:

    Taz said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The stuff Philp was coming out with on migration this morning sounded very Reformy, probably perhaps even slightly to the right of ol' Nige tbh !

    Problem is, given their form in office, who will believe them anyway ?
    Ferrari pointed out they couldn't even seem to deport murderers and rapists whilst in power let alone people earning under 30 grand a year...
    An excellent line.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,425
    viewcode said:

    For all those of us who will not besmirch our souls or squeaky bottoms with the Speccie, an archive link is here: https://archive.is/S2c1y

    I also give you an interesting article by cocaine user and political failure Michael Gove on Morgan McSweeney: https://archive.is/dUAQh

    The Gove-McSweeney axis confirms the notion that the arch-technocrats' budget was just a job lot of old Treasury wish lists strung together in the same manner as George Osborne's omnishambles budget.

    Osborne flatlined the economy and if today's forecasts are any guide (which, to be fair, they are probably not) Reeves might have done the same.
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 451
    MarqueeMark said:

    CharlieShark said:

    I see that Rupert Lowe, who voted for the Assisted Dying bill at first reading, has now indicated he will vote against it (unless something dramatic changes).

    It passed by 330-275. Are there enough like-minded MPs who have been put off by the Leadbeater approach?

    Have we heard more than just the one name though?
    He's the only one I've seen. Suspect there are others, but not sure if enough to turn it around though.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,467
    edited February 6
    Off topic: Will American voters blame Trump (and Musk) for higher egg prices?
    "The average retail egg price increased 37 percent between December 2023 and December 2024, according to consumer price index data. At the wholesale level, the price for a dozen Midwest Large eggs recently hit $7.76, compared with about $1.50 in early January 2022, before the outbreak began, according to the food market research firm Expana. Prices for egg products, such as liquid and dried eggs, also have gone up, said Brian Moscogiuri, vice president of Eggs Unlimited, a large supplier."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/04/waffle-house-egg-surcharge-bird-flu-outbreak/

    Ten years or so ago, in my area large eggs typically sold for 2 dollars a dozen, with occasional specials for 1 dollar.

    (For the record: I don't blame the Loser, although I do expect his policies will increase inflation, overall. Incidentally, one of the reasons for higher prices -- in some states -- is that those states have required eggs be "cage free" or even "open range". That makes it more likely that avian flu will be transmitted from wild birds. Scientists seem to be worried, rightly, that the flu may become a serious problem for humans, too.)

    Milk prices have gone up recently, too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/236854/retail-price-of-milk-in-the-united-states/

    Any similar trends in th UK?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,425
    Pulpstar said:

    Taz said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The stuff Philp was coming out with on migration this morning sounded very Reformy, probably perhaps even slightly to the right of ol' Nige tbh !

    Problem is, given their form in office, who will believe them anyway ?
    Ferrari pointed out they couldn't even seem to deport murderers and rapists whilst in power let alone people earning under 30 grand a year...
    It is the same problem with the Mirror front page posted earlier in this thread, the same as has confronted Kemi every week at PMQs. The last government was at best useless even where not actively harmful. The Tories need a new approach that does not involve condemning Labour for being just as bad as they were.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,962
    edited February 6
    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: Will American voters blame Trump (and Musk) for higher egg prices?
    "The average retail egg price increased 37 percent between December 2023 and December 2024, according to consumer price index data. At the wholesale level, the price for a dozen Midwest Large eggs recently hit $7.76, compared with about $1.50 in early January 2022, before the outbreak began, according to the food market research firm Expana. Prices for egg products, such as liquid and dried eggs, also have gone up, said Brian Moscogiuri, vice president of Eggs Unlimited, a large supplier."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/04/waffle-house-egg-surcharge-bird-flu-outbreak/

    Ten years or so ago, in my area large eggs typically sold for 2 dollars a dozen, with occasional specials for 1 dollar.

    (For the record: I don't blame the Loser, although I do expect his policies will increase inflation, overall. Incidentally, one of the reasons for higher prices -- in some states -- is that those states have required eggs be "cage free" or even "open range". That makes it more likely that avian flu will be transmitted from wild birds. Scientists seem to be worried, rightly, that the flu may become a serious problem for humans, too.)

    Milk prices have gone up recently, too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/236854/retail-price-of-milk-in-the-united-states/

    Any similar trends in th UK?

    If it’s any consolation I’ve just paid £4.50 ($5.50) for six Burford brown eggs so you are still getting a good deal at $7.60 for 12.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,271
    Casino_Royale said:

    Either there is one or Labour get back in. And we've already seen the damage they've managed to do in just 6 months.

    It really is as simple as that.

    Unusually I agree with you.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,579
    There are a lot of egos in play here.

    Any pact would need them all to be kept in check, and neither party has a reputation for discipline. My guess is that you'd get a number from the Tories who wouldn't go along with anything significant, and possibly a splinter breakaway.

    So hoping it happens, just for the fascination of watching it all play out.

    Ed Davey can't believe his luck. Has the political ground ever been larger for the Lib Dems now the Tories are vacating the centre?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,697
    HYUFD has been banging on since the election that the true winners were RefCon. Well RefCon are now exceeding 50%, that can't have passed Musk by.

    Where will some of our more delicate flower Tories find themselves if the party is tied into Fash-lite?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,624
    edited February 6
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    viewcode said:

    For all those of us who will not besmirch our souls or squeaky bottoms with the Speccie, an archive link is here: https://archive.is/S2c1y

    I also give you an interesting article by cocaine user and political failure Michael Gove on Morgan McSweeney: https://archive.is/dUAQh

    The Gove-McSweeney axis confirms the notion that the arch-technocrats' budget was just a job lot of old Treasury wish lists strung together in the same manner as George Osborne's omnishambles budget.

    Osborne flatlined the economy and if today's forecasts are any guide (which, to be fair, they are probably not) Reeves might have done the same.
    That's what happens when you go in not understanding how government works. It's notable that the only Labour cabinet member who's made an impact is Ed Miliband, who knows how things work and had a plan. :(:(
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD has been banging on since the election that the true winners were RefCon. Well RefCon are now exceeding 50%, that can't have passed Musk by.

    Where will some of our more delicate flower Tories find themselves if the party is tied into Fash-lite?

    Didn't realise John wanted a political career.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,920
    edited February 6
    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: Will American voters blame Trump (and Musk) for higher egg prices?
    "The average retail egg price increased 37 percent between December 2023 and December 2024, according to consumer price index data. At the wholesale level, the price for a dozen Midwest Large eggs recently hit $7.76, compared with about $1.50 in early January 2022, before the outbreak began, according to the food market research firm Expana. Prices for egg products, such as liquid and dried eggs, also have gone up, said Brian Moscogiuri, vice president of Eggs Unlimited, a large supplier."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/04/waffle-house-egg-surcharge-bird-flu-outbreak/

    Ten years or so ago, in my area large eggs typically sold for 2 dollars a dozen, with occasional specials for 1 dollar.

    (For the record: I don't blame the Loser, although I do expect his policies will increase inflation, overall. Incidentally, one of the reasons for higher prices -- in some states -- is that those states have required eggs be "cage free" or even "open range". That makes it more likely that avian flu will be transmitted from wild birds. Scientists seem to be worried, rightly, that the flu may become a serious problem for humans, too.)

    Milk prices have gone up recently, too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/236854/retail-price-of-milk-in-the-united-states/

    Any similar trends in th UK?

    They should be blaming Trump. He said he'd be bringing grocery prices down "on day one". Made a big deal of it. If they don't blame him it will further detract from the politically correct theory (which I don't buy) that the Trump vote came mainly from the pocketbook.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,535
    boulay said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: Will American voters blame Trump (and Musk) for higher egg prices?
    "The average retail egg price increased 37 percent between December 2023 and December 2024, according to consumer price index data. At the wholesale level, the price for a dozen Midwest Large eggs recently hit $7.76, compared with about $1.50 in early January 2022, before the outbreak began, according to the food market research firm Expana. Prices for egg products, such as liquid and dried eggs, also have gone up, said Brian Moscogiuri, vice president of Eggs Unlimited, a large supplier."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/04/waffle-house-egg-surcharge-bird-flu-outbreak/

    Ten years or so ago, in my area large eggs typically sold for 2 dollars a dozen, with occasional specials for 1 dollar.

    (For the record: I don't blame the Loser, although I do expect his policies will increase inflation, overall. Incidentally, one of the reasons for higher prices -- in some states -- is that those states have required eggs be "cage free" or even "open range". That makes it more likely that avian flu will be transmitted from wild birds. Scientists seem to be worried, rightly, that the flu may become a serious problem for humans, too.)

    Milk prices have gone up recently, too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/236854/retail-price-of-milk-in-the-united-states/

    Any similar trends in th UK?

    If it’s any consolation I’ve just paid £4.50 ($5.50) for six Burford brown eggs so you are still getting a good deal at $7.60 for 12.
    What are Burford brown eggs? I just bought 10 organic eggs for 3.39 euros in the local supermarket in Germany. Normal free range eggs are 2.39 euros for 10
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,624
    Driver said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD has been banging on since the election that the true winners were RefCon. Well RefCon are now exceeding 50%, that can't have passed Musk by.

    Where will some of our more delicate flower Tories find themselves if the party is tied into Fash-lite?

    Didn't realise John wanted a political career.
    Who's John?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,139
    On topic...

    I think this is an extremely difficult one for the Conservatives, and historically I've said they must crush Reform and unite the right.

    But that may not be possible now. Nigel has the spotlight. Reform is in the lead. How is Kemi to destroy Reform?

    So, I can see the attraction of a merger. Of course, such a merger's price will undoubtedly be Nigel Farage running the combined operation. (Albeit presumably, it will be the Conservative organisation - what with it not being a private Limited Company owned by Mr Farage - that will continue.)

    The issue with such a merger is that the merged party probably won't have all the votes of Reform + Conservative; it will no doubt lose a meaningful fraction of people on the Left and Internationalist side of the Conservatives.

    There may also be some Tommy Robinsoners who see Nigel as selling out.

    Therefore, I suspect that Reform + Conservative will end up in the high 30s, with a slightly different geographic focus than the old Conservatives (more Red Wall, less leafy suburbs).


    It's also inevitable that during a merger there will be a lot of internal focus and turmoil... who gets what job? Do Reform council candidates stand down? And the fundamental issue is that the taking over Party has a fraction of the Councillors and the MPs.

    OK: I now see such a merger as, if not likely, then certainly a good possibility. But it is not without its risks: it could fail, for example, at the Conservative member vote level, in which case, what next?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,083
    viewcode said:

    It'll be the SDP/Liberal Alliance again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDP–Liberal_Alliance

    Well, what happened then was:
    "Foot stood down in favour of Neil Kinnock, who immediately reversed the party's hard-left turn. This resulted in a dramatic rise in Labour fortunes in the opinion polls"
    So the simple answer is for Badenoch to stand down in favour of a centrist Tory, whereupon they recover.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDP–Liberal_Alliance
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,968
    viewcode said:

    Driver said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD has been banging on since the election that the true winners were RefCon. Well RefCon are now exceeding 50%, that can't have passed Musk by.

    Where will some of our more delicate flower Tories find themselves if the party is tied into Fash-lite?

    Didn't realise John wanted a political career.
    Who's John?
    Brother of Justin
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,968
    kamski said:

    boulay said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: Will American voters blame Trump (and Musk) for higher egg prices?
    "The average retail egg price increased 37 percent between December 2023 and December 2024, according to consumer price index data. At the wholesale level, the price for a dozen Midwest Large eggs recently hit $7.76, compared with about $1.50 in early January 2022, before the outbreak began, according to the food market research firm Expana. Prices for egg products, such as liquid and dried eggs, also have gone up, said Brian Moscogiuri, vice president of Eggs Unlimited, a large supplier."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/04/waffle-house-egg-surcharge-bird-flu-outbreak/

    Ten years or so ago, in my area large eggs typically sold for 2 dollars a dozen, with occasional specials for 1 dollar.

    (For the record: I don't blame the Loser, although I do expect his policies will increase inflation, overall. Incidentally, one of the reasons for higher prices -- in some states -- is that those states have required eggs be "cage free" or even "open range". That makes it more likely that avian flu will be transmitted from wild birds. Scientists seem to be worried, rightly, that the flu may become a serious problem for humans, too.)

    Milk prices have gone up recently, too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/236854/retail-price-of-milk-in-the-united-states/

    Any similar trends in th UK?

    If it’s any consolation I’ve just paid £4.50 ($5.50) for six Burford brown eggs so you are still getting a good deal at $7.60 for 12.
    What are Burford brown eggs? I just bought 10 organic eggs for 3.39 euros in the local supermarket in Germany. Normal free range eggs are 2.39 euros for 10
    Its eggs from a breed (is that the right term for birds?) of chicken.
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 451
    On topic, why is everyone always on a rush with this talk. Sack Badenoch after only a few weeks. Con / Reform pact or die.

    It's 4 and 1/2 years away. The time for any pact is not remotely this year, why would either side want to tie itself to someone else, this far away from an election.

    It's all excited chatter from people who like to throw mischief and create news.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,084
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic...

    I think this is an extremely difficult one for the Conservatives, and historically I've said they must crush Reform and unite the right.

    But that may not be possible now. Nigel has the spotlight. Reform is in the lead. How is Kemi to destroy Reform?

    So, I can see the attraction of a merger. Of course, such a merger's price will undoubtedly be Nigel Farage running the combined operation. (Albeit presumably, it will be the Conservative organisation - what with it not being a private Limited Company owned by Mr Farage - that will continue.)

    The issue with such a merger is that the merged party probably won't have all the votes of Reform + Conservative; it will no doubt lose a meaningful fraction of people on the Left and Internationalist side of the Conservatives.

    There may also be some Tommy Robinsoners who see Nigel as selling out.

    Therefore, I suspect that Reform + Conservative will end up in the high 30s, with a slightly different geographic focus than the old Conservatives (more Red Wall, less leafy suburbs).


    It's also inevitable that during a merger there will be a lot of internal focus and turmoil... who gets what job? Do Reform council candidates stand down? And the fundamental issue is that the taking over Party has a fraction of the Councillors and the MPs.

    OK: I now see such a merger as, if not likely, then certainly a good possibility. But it is not without its risks: it could fail, for example, at the Conservative member vote level, in which case, what next?

    As soon as talks progress to that stage, there are only two possibilities, Farage talking over or the Conservatives further ebbing into history, just as many other parties have done over time. We are possibly there already.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,968
    CharlieShark said:

    On topic, why is everyone always on a rush with this talk. Sack Badenoch after only a few weeks. Con / Reform pact or die.

    It's 4 and 1/2 years away. The time for any pact is not remotely this year, why would either side want to tie itself to someone else, this far away from an election.

    It's all excited chatter from people who like to throw mischief and create news.

    Limited attention spans plus 24 h news cycle.

    Life was better when (a) TV actually stopped broadcasting for some of the day and night and (b) people were rather more grown up about stuff. If you went through the second world war I suspect you'd have a lot less truck with the flippancy of modern life.

    And lastly our media is terrible. They made fools of themselves during covid, but I don't think they have ever realised let alone apologised for it. Every pathetic attempted 'gotcha' question was another nail in the coffin for serious public office/media relations. Why would MP's engage with twats who just want to lead the news with their stupid question about 'substantive meals' or how many times a day can you exercise...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,624
    turbotubbs said:

    viewcode said:

    Driver said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD has been banging on since the election that the true winners were RefCon. Well RefCon are now exceeding 50%, that can't have passed Musk by.

    Where will some of our more delicate flower Tories find themselves if the party is tied into Fash-lite?

    Didn't realise John wanted a political career.
    Who's John?
    Brother of Justin
    Ah, Fash(anu) vs Fash(cist). Thank you.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 2,021
    CharlieShark said:

    I see that Rupert Lowe, who voted for the Assisted Dying bill at first reading, has now indicated he will vote against it (unless something dramatic changes).

    It passed by 330-275. Are there enough like-minded MPs who have been put off by the Leadbeater approach?

    I doubt it's so much being put off by Leadbetter - whatever you think of her - so much as realising where the party line is likely shifting in light of quite a few right-wing commentators/influencers being strongly anti and leading a campaign against the bill.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,481
    Britain is dying
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,736
    CharlieShark said:

    On topic, why is everyone always on a rush with this talk. Sack Badenoch after only a few weeks. Con / Reform pact or die.

    It's 4 and 1/2 years away. The time for any pact is not remotely this year, why would either side want to tie itself to someone else, this far away from an election.

    It's all excited chatter from people who like to throw mischief and create news.

    Well, every time our resident tumescent media bitch mentions Farage or Trump he seems to feel the surge and requires some "me" time.

    Meanwhile in the real world, sales of Teslas are 40-60% down across Europe and there is a growing consumer boycott of US goods in Canada. So while the in house mag of the vermin right may be feeling it, I think history will judge both Farage and Trump in quite a different way.

    C´mon Leon, whats the odds on Reform? Its a betting site.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,535
    turbotubbs said:

    kamski said:

    boulay said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: Will American voters blame Trump (and Musk) for higher egg prices?
    "The average retail egg price increased 37 percent between December 2023 and December 2024, according to consumer price index data. At the wholesale level, the price for a dozen Midwest Large eggs recently hit $7.76, compared with about $1.50 in early January 2022, before the outbreak began, according to the food market research firm Expana. Prices for egg products, such as liquid and dried eggs, also have gone up, said Brian Moscogiuri, vice president of Eggs Unlimited, a large supplier."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/04/waffle-house-egg-surcharge-bird-flu-outbreak/

    Ten years or so ago, in my area large eggs typically sold for 2 dollars a dozen, with occasional specials for 1 dollar.

    (For the record: I don't blame the Loser, although I do expect his policies will increase inflation, overall. Incidentally, one of the reasons for higher prices -- in some states -- is that those states have required eggs be "cage free" or even "open range". That makes it more likely that avian flu will be transmitted from wild birds. Scientists seem to be worried, rightly, that the flu may become a serious problem for humans, too.)

    Milk prices have gone up recently, too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/236854/retail-price-of-milk-in-the-united-states/

    Any similar trends in th UK?

    If it’s any consolation I’ve just paid £4.50 ($5.50) for six Burford brown eggs so you are still getting a good deal at $7.60 for 12.
    What are Burford brown eggs? I just bought 10 organic eggs for 3.39 euros in the local supermarket in Germany. Normal free range eggs are 2.39 euros for 10
    Its eggs from a breed (is that the right term for birds?) of chicken.
    10 organic eggs 4.6 gbp (5.50 euros) in Tesco, 3.39 euros in Rewe - and that includes 7% German VAT. Seems a massive difference
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,491
    "We are beyond the law..."

    Musk is "operating in a completely lawless realm. He is outside of the rule of law..."

    Anne Applebaum - Bulwark

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNimQcdVZ8


    When the fuck is Congress and the court system going to do something?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,481
    Cicero said:

    CharlieShark said:

    On topic, why is everyone always on a rush with this talk. Sack Badenoch after only a few weeks. Con / Reform pact or die.

    It's 4 and 1/2 years away. The time for any pact is not remotely this year, why would either side want to tie itself to someone else, this far away from an election.

    It's all excited chatter from people who like to throw mischief and create news.

    Well, every time our resident tumescent media bitch mentions Farage or Trump he seems to feel the surge and requires some "me" time.

    Meanwhile in the real world, sales of Teslas are 40-60% down across Europe and there is a growing consumer boycott of US goods in Canada. So while the in house mag of the vermin right may be feeling it, I think history will judge both Farage and Trump in quite a different way.

    C´mon Leon, whats the odds on Reform? Its a betting site.
    14,900 to one
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,998
    kamski said:

    turbotubbs said:

    kamski said:

    boulay said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: Will American voters blame Trump (and Musk) for higher egg prices?
    "The average retail egg price increased 37 percent between December 2023 and December 2024, according to consumer price index data. At the wholesale level, the price for a dozen Midwest Large eggs recently hit $7.76, compared with about $1.50 in early January 2022, before the outbreak began, according to the food market research firm Expana. Prices for egg products, such as liquid and dried eggs, also have gone up, said Brian Moscogiuri, vice president of Eggs Unlimited, a large supplier."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/04/waffle-house-egg-surcharge-bird-flu-outbreak/

    Ten years or so ago, in my area large eggs typically sold for 2 dollars a dozen, with occasional specials for 1 dollar.

    (For the record: I don't blame the Loser, although I do expect his policies will increase inflation, overall. Incidentally, one of the reasons for higher prices -- in some states -- is that those states have required eggs be "cage free" or even "open range". That makes it more likely that avian flu will be transmitted from wild birds. Scientists seem to be worried, rightly, that the flu may become a serious problem for humans, too.)

    Milk prices have gone up recently, too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/236854/retail-price-of-milk-in-the-united-states/

    Any similar trends in th UK?

    If it’s any consolation I’ve just paid £4.50 ($5.50) for six Burford brown eggs so you are still getting a good deal at $7.60 for 12.
    What are Burford brown eggs? I just bought 10 organic eggs for 3.39 euros in the local supermarket in Germany. Normal free range eggs are 2.39 euros for 10
    Its eggs from a breed (is that the right term for birds?) of chicken.
    10 organic eggs 4.6 gbp (5.50 euros) in Tesco, 3.39 euros in Rewe - and that includes 7% German VAT. Seems a massive difference
    Get them in exchange for grain & layers pellets from my chickens' cloacas
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    kamski said:

    turbotubbs said:

    kamski said:

    boulay said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: Will American voters blame Trump (and Musk) for higher egg prices?
    "The average retail egg price increased 37 percent between December 2023 and December 2024, according to consumer price index data. At the wholesale level, the price for a dozen Midwest Large eggs recently hit $7.76, compared with about $1.50 in early January 2022, before the outbreak began, according to the food market research firm Expana. Prices for egg products, such as liquid and dried eggs, also have gone up, said Brian Moscogiuri, vice president of Eggs Unlimited, a large supplier."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/04/waffle-house-egg-surcharge-bird-flu-outbreak/

    Ten years or so ago, in my area large eggs typically sold for 2 dollars a dozen, with occasional specials for 1 dollar.

    (For the record: I don't blame the Loser, although I do expect his policies will increase inflation, overall. Incidentally, one of the reasons for higher prices -- in some states -- is that those states have required eggs be "cage free" or even "open range". That makes it more likely that avian flu will be transmitted from wild birds. Scientists seem to be worried, rightly, that the flu may become a serious problem for humans, too.)

    Milk prices have gone up recently, too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/236854/retail-price-of-milk-in-the-united-states/

    Any similar trends in th UK?

    If it’s any consolation I’ve just paid £4.50 ($5.50) for six Burford brown eggs so you are still getting a good deal at $7.60 for 12.
    What are Burford brown eggs? I just bought 10 organic eggs for 3.39 euros in the local supermarket in Germany. Normal free range eggs are 2.39 euros for 10
    Its eggs from a breed (is that the right term for birds?) of chicken.
    10 organic eggs 4.6 gbp (5.50 euros) in Tesco, 3.39 euros in Rewe - and that includes 7% German VAT. Seems a massive difference
    Think I paid £1.70-ish for six free-range eggs last time. You can get better value on bigger packs, obviously, but we don't cook many things that need them.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,389
    "Republican support for Elon Musk fell significantly, poll finds

    Republicans who want Musk and Doge to have ‘a lot’ of influence dropped from 47% post-election to 26%    "

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/06/trump-musk-support-poll
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,962
    Cicero said:

    CharlieShark said:

    On topic, why is everyone always on a rush with this talk. Sack Badenoch after only a few weeks. Con / Reform pact or die.

    It's 4 and 1/2 years away. The time for any pact is not remotely this year, why would either side want to tie itself to someone else, this far away from an election.

    It's all excited chatter from people who like to throw mischief and create news.

    Well, every time our resident tumescent media bitch mentions Farage or Trump he seems to feel the surge and requires some "me" time.

    Meanwhile in the real world, sales of Teslas are 40-60% down across Europe and there is a growing consumer boycott of US goods in Canada. So while the in house mag of the vermin right may be feeling it, I think history will judge both Farage and Trump in quite a different way.

    C´mon Leon, whats the odds on Reform? Its a betting site.
    Nice.

    I guess a refreshingly different angle from the usual pompous bloviating.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,084
    rottenborough said:

    "We are beyond the law..."

    Musk is "operating in a completely lawless realm. He is outside of the rule of law..."

    Anne Applebaum - Bulwark

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNimQcdVZ8


    When the fuck is Congress and the court system going to do something?

    2035ish is my guess.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,624
    MJW said:

    CharlieShark said:

    I see that Rupert Lowe, who voted for the Assisted Dying bill at first reading, has now indicated he will vote against it (unless something dramatic changes).

    It passed by 330-275. Are there enough like-minded MPs who have been put off by the Leadbeater approach?

    I doubt it's so much being put off by Leadbetter - whatever you think of her - so much as realising where the party line is likely shifting in light of quite a few right-wing commentators/influencers being strongly anti and leading a campaign against the bill.
    Well it's nice to know a conscience vote can be swayed by the commentariat. Politics, eh? (punches wall)
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,084
    Pulpstar said:

    Taz said:

    Pulpstar said:

    The stuff Philp was coming out with on migration this morning sounded very Reformy, probably perhaps even slightly to the right of ol' Nige tbh !

    Problem is, given their form in office, who will believe them anyway ?
    Ferrari pointed out they couldn't even seem to deport murderers and rapists whilst in power let alone people earning under 30 grand a year...
    Did Porsche have a view? I think we can all guess the Tesla opinion.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,425
    SAS 'not justified' in 1992 shooting of four IRA men

    The use of lethal force by SAS soldiers was unjustified when they opened fire killing four IRA men in an ambush at Clonoe in County Tyrone, an inquest has ruled.

    Kevin Barry O'Donnell, 21, Sean O'Farrell, 22, Peter Clancy, 21, and Patrick Vincent, 20, died in February 1992, minutes after they had carried out a gun attack on Coalisland police station.

    The soldiers opened fire as the men arrived at St Patrick's Church car park in a hijacked lorry which had a heavy machine gun welded to its tailgate.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8kpxgdyyvo

    This will not help the narrative.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,481
    boulay said:

    Cicero said:

    CharlieShark said:

    On topic, why is everyone always on a rush with this talk. Sack Badenoch after only a few weeks. Con / Reform pact or die.

    It's 4 and 1/2 years away. The time for any pact is not remotely this year, why would either side want to tie itself to someone else, this far away from an election.

    It's all excited chatter from people who like to throw mischief and create news.

    Well, every time our resident tumescent media bitch mentions Farage or Trump he seems to feel the surge and requires some "me" time.

    Meanwhile in the real world, sales of Teslas are 40-60% down across Europe and there is a growing consumer boycott of US goods in Canada. So while the in house mag of the vermin right may be feeling it, I think history will judge both Farage and Trump in quite a different way.

    C´mon Leon, whats the odds on Reform? Its a betting site.
    Nice.

    I guess a refreshingly different angle from the usual pompous bloviating.
    I’m gratified I’m such a dominant, almost supernatural figure in the fearful psyches of so many pb-ers

    I cast aspersions on a comment in the last thread and fifteen or more rushed to Like it. As if I am Old Nick passing by and they are god fearing Salem folk rushing loudly to the aid of a stricken goodwife
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,271
    Driver said:

    kamski said:

    turbotubbs said:

    kamski said:

    boulay said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: Will American voters blame Trump (and Musk) for higher egg prices?
    "The average retail egg price increased 37 percent between December 2023 and December 2024, according to consumer price index data. At the wholesale level, the price for a dozen Midwest Large eggs recently hit $7.76, compared with about $1.50 in early January 2022, before the outbreak began, according to the food market research firm Expana. Prices for egg products, such as liquid and dried eggs, also have gone up, said Brian Moscogiuri, vice president of Eggs Unlimited, a large supplier."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/04/waffle-house-egg-surcharge-bird-flu-outbreak/

    Ten years or so ago, in my area large eggs typically sold for 2 dollars a dozen, with occasional specials for 1 dollar.

    (For the record: I don't blame the Loser, although I do expect his policies will increase inflation, overall. Incidentally, one of the reasons for higher prices -- in some states -- is that those states have required eggs be "cage free" or even "open range". That makes it more likely that avian flu will be transmitted from wild birds. Scientists seem to be worried, rightly, that the flu may become a serious problem for humans, too.)

    Milk prices have gone up recently, too: https://www.statista.com/statistics/236854/retail-price-of-milk-in-the-united-states/

    Any similar trends in th UK?

    If it’s any consolation I’ve just paid £4.50 ($5.50) for six Burford brown eggs so you are still getting a good deal at $7.60 for 12.
    What are Burford brown eggs? I just bought 10 organic eggs for 3.39 euros in the local supermarket in Germany. Normal free range eggs are 2.39 euros for 10
    Its eggs from a breed (is that the right term for birds?) of chicken.
    10 organic eggs 4.6 gbp (5.50 euros) in Tesco, 3.39 euros in Rewe - and that includes 7% German VAT. Seems a massive difference
    Think I paid £1.70-ish for six free-range eggs last time. You can get better value on bigger packs, obviously, but we don't cook many things that need them.
    £1.43 for ten eggs in Lidl today. Probably extra cruel version. I feel bad.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,481
    Ahhh

    It’s coz I keep getting shit RIGHT

    That’s it? Isn’t it? That’s what freaks you out?!

    Ahahahahah
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,032
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    Cicero said:

    CharlieShark said:

    On topic, why is everyone always on a rush with this talk. Sack Badenoch after only a few weeks. Con / Reform pact or die.

    It's 4 and 1/2 years away. The time for any pact is not remotely this year, why would either side want to tie itself to someone else, this far away from an election.

    It's all excited chatter from people who like to throw mischief and create news.

    Well, every time our resident tumescent media bitch mentions Farage or Trump he seems to feel the surge and requires some "me" time.

    Meanwhile in the real world, sales of Teslas are 40-60% down across Europe and there is a growing consumer boycott of US goods in Canada. So while the in house mag of the vermin right may be feeling it, I think history will judge both Farage and Trump in quite a different way.

    C´mon Leon, whats the odds on Reform? Its a betting site.
    Nice.

    I guess a refreshingly different angle from the usual pompous bloviating.
    I’m gratified I’m such a dominant, almost supernatural figure in the fearful psyches of so many pb-ers

    I cast aspersions on a comment in the last thread and fifteen or more rushed to Like it. As if I am Old Nick passing by and they are god fearing Salem folk rushing loudly to the aid of a stricken goodwife
    I'm deeply grateful to you for pointing me to an unusually intelligent and level-headed comment on PB. Many thanks.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,491
    CatMan said:

    "Republican support for Elon Musk fell significantly, poll finds

    Republicans who want Musk and Doge to have ‘a lot’ of influence dropped from 47% post-election to 26%    "

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/06/trump-musk-support-poll

    Too late you fools. You have voted to end your democracy.

    Trump told you what he was and still you voted him as your candidate.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,394
    Leon said:

    Ahhh

    It’s coz I keep getting shit RIGHT

    That’s it? Isn’t it? That’s what freaks you out?!

    Ahahahahah

    No.

    You have utterly embarrassed yourself on Chagos deal 🥹
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,625
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    SAS 'not justified' in 1992 shooting of four IRA men

    The use of lethal force by SAS soldiers was unjustified when they opened fire killing four IRA men in an ambush at Clonoe in County Tyrone, an inquest has ruled.

    Kevin Barry O'Donnell, 21, Sean O'Farrell, 22, Peter Clancy, 21, and Patrick Vincent, 20, died in February 1992, minutes after they had carried out a gun attack on Coalisland police station.

    The soldiers opened fire as the men arrived at St Patrick's Church car park in a hijacked lorry which had a heavy machine gun welded to its tailgate.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8kpxgdyyvo

    This will not help the narrative.

    Lethal force was utterly justified IMO, if those facts are true.
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 451
    Quick check on Prediction competition. Haven't blown it yet.

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 29% (+2)
    LAB: 25% (+2)
    CON: 18% (-3)
    LDM: 13% (+2)
    GRN: 10% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @FindoutnowUK
    , 5 Feb.
    Changes w/ 29 Jan.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,821
    viewcode said:

    turbotubbs said:

    viewcode said:

    Driver said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD has been banging on since the election that the true winners were RefCon. Well RefCon are now exceeding 50%, that can't have passed Musk by.

    Where will some of our more delicate flower Tories find themselves if the party is tied into Fash-lite?

    Didn't realise John wanted a political career.
    Who's John?
    Brother of Justin
    Ah, Fash(anu) vs Fash(cist). Thank you.
    Fash-lite, something you use to get about when the (inevitable) power cuts start.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,806
    noneoftheabove said:

    rottenborough said:

    "We are beyond the law..."

    Musk is "operating in a completely lawless realm. He is outside of the rule of law..."

    Anne Applebaum - Bulwark

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNimQcdVZ8


    When the fuck is Congress and the court system going to do something?

    2035ish is my guess.
    In 4 hours time? Great!

    Or did you mean Eastern Standard Time?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,394
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
    Come on, how will Starmer be able to show his face at Matrix Chambers to sue the UK for god knows what after he's booted out if he doesn't acquiesce with the right sort of opinions regarding ICJ rulings ?
    Think of how awkward the dinner parties with Sands and his friends will be.
    Isn't £18 Bn a mere pittance to save Starmer from personal embarrassment ?!
    I don’t believe the Chagos deal with go through now. It is so absurdly high profile and it could doom the government by itself

    People have no clue where these islands are, they mostly couldnt give a fuck, but EIGHTEEN BILLION QUID

    There is no way you can spin that

    There’s a very amusing TwiX thread saying “it’s like seeing a nice table in IKEA for sale for £175,000 and you go the till presuming it’s £175 because…. Surely not….”
    😂 I know YOU as the spinner in the PB works, on this Chagos Island deal you and those using this false and very wishful £18B clearly know nothing about.
     
    I urge you and others to stop it, as you are only going to make things far worse for yourselves as this Chagos thing unfolds in coming weeks. 

    Because I have this Chagos thing sussed, I know exactly how it plays out and joins up in the history books.  😊  
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,481
    MoonRabbit said:

    Leon said:

    Ahhh

    It’s coz I keep getting shit RIGHT

    That’s it? Isn’t it? That’s what freaks you out?!

    Ahahahahah

    No.

    You have utterly embarrassed yourself on Chagos deal 🥹
    Finally, I get it

    😈
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,920
    rottenborough said:

    "We are beyond the law..."

    Musk is "operating in a completely lawless realm. He is outside of the rule of law..."

    Anne Applebaum - Bulwark

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNimQcdVZ8

    When the fuck is Congress and the court system going to do something?

    Not like Anne to use that sort of language. Just shows how bad things are.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,876
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    SAS 'not justified' in 1992 shooting of four IRA men

    The use of lethal force by SAS soldiers was unjustified when they opened fire killing four IRA men in an ambush at Clonoe in County Tyrone, an inquest has ruled.

    Kevin Barry O'Donnell, 21, Sean O'Farrell, 22, Peter Clancy, 21, and Patrick Vincent, 20, died in February 1992, minutes after they had carried out a gun attack on Coalisland police station.

    The soldiers opened fire as the men arrived at St Patrick's Church car park in a hijacked lorry which had a heavy machine gun welded to its tailgate.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8kpxgdyyvo

    This will not help the narrative.

    'Not justified in killing people that have carried out a gun attack'. Excellent. There may be some quibbles here and there, but it strikes me that they should get medals for killing the people that carried out a gun attack.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,998
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    SAS 'not justified' in 1992 shooting of four IRA men

    The use of lethal force by SAS soldiers was unjustified when they opened fire killing four IRA men in an ambush at Clonoe in County Tyrone, an inquest has ruled.

    Kevin Barry O'Donnell, 21, Sean O'Farrell, 22, Peter Clancy, 21, and Patrick Vincent, 20, died in February 1992, minutes after they had carried out a gun attack on Coalisland police station.

    The soldiers opened fire as the men arrived at St Patrick's Church car park in a hijacked lorry which had a heavy machine gun welded to its tailgate.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8kpxgdyyvo

    This will not help the narrative.

    Powers that be can gtf on this one.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,535
    bondegezou said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    rottenborough said:

    "We are beyond the law..."

    Musk is "operating in a completely lawless realm. He is outside of the rule of law..."

    Anne Applebaum - Bulwark

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNimQcdVZ8


    When the fuck is Congress and the court system going to do something?

    2035ish is my guess.
    In 4 hours time? Great!

    Or did you mean Eastern Standard Time?
    Suspect Trump is wittering on about turning Gaza into Butlins in order to distract from the illegal power grrab going on.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,806
    CharlieShark said:

    Quick check on Prediction competition. Haven't blown it yet.

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 29% (+2)
    LAB: 25% (+2)
    CON: 18% (-3)
    LDM: 13% (+2)
    GRN: 10% (=)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via
    @FindoutnowUK
    , 5 Feb.
    Changes w/ 29 Jan.

    That puts the LibDems closer to the Conservatives than the Conservatives are to either Labour or Reform! It even puts the Greens closer to the Conservatives than the Conservatives are to Reform.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,262
    rottenborough said:

    "We are beyond the law..."

    Musk is "operating in a completely lawless realm. He is outside of the rule of law..."

    Anne Applebaum - Bulwark

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNimQcdVZ8


    When the fuck is Congress and the court system going to do something?

    If 'something unfortunate' happened to Trump, is there actually anything that would stop Musk seizing control? Certainly not Vance, who's preoccupied with waging X IQ battles with Mensa Man Rory Stewart.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,625
    MoonRabbit said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Bank of England cut rate to 4.5%

    Growth forecast halved from 1.5 to .75

    That’s within the MoE of a year without growth. Total stagnancy

    This government likely won’t recover from this disastrous beginning. Still, great time to give Mauritius £18bn, eh?
    Come on, how will Starmer be able to show his face at Matrix Chambers to sue the UK for god knows what after he's booted out if he doesn't acquiesce with the right sort of opinions regarding ICJ rulings ?
    Think of how awkward the dinner parties with Sands and his friends will be.
    Isn't £18 Bn a mere pittance to save Starmer from personal embarrassment ?!
    I don’t believe the Chagos deal with go through now. It is so absurdly high profile and it could doom the government by itself

    People have no clue where these islands are, they mostly couldnt give a fuck, but EIGHTEEN BILLION QUID

    There is no way you can spin that

    There’s a very amusing TwiX thread saying “it’s like seeing a nice table in IKEA for sale for £175,000 and you go the till presuming it’s £175 because…. Surely not….”
    😂 I know YOU as the spinner in the PB works, on this Chagos Island deal you and those using this false and very wishful £18B clearly know nothing about.
     
    I urge you and others to stop it, as you are only going to make things far worse for yourselves as this Chagos thing unfolds in coming weeks. 

    Because I have this Chagos thing sussed, I know exactly how it plays out and joins up in the history books.  😊  
    You might be right. But the lack of clarity from the government about what the deal actually is, and its cost, allows febrile minds to flourish. And the amounts are so vast that openness is a requirement.

    We need a full discussion in parliament, followed by a vote - before the deal is signed. What's wrong with that?
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