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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,403

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Water bills to go up by £120 or so this April - what the fucking fuck ?

    Seems like this is the explanation:

    "Bill rises for the next five years are being front-loaded, with a big increase this April so that spending on new infrastructure, such as new reservoirs, can get going."

    As an unmetered customer, I can't even work on reducing my usage...
    To be fair, that is needed. We don't have the storage and distribution needed for a growing population and for climate resilience, plus the public won't accept direct sewer discharge anymore.

    20 years of water infrastructure works coming.
    Trebles all round for the shareholders:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/29/united-utilities-and-pennon-to-increase-dividend-payments-as-water-bills-rise?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,866

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Water bills to go up by £120 or so this April - what the fucking fuck ?

    Seems like this is the explanation:

    "Bill rises for the next five years are being front-loaded, with a big increase this April so that spending on new infrastructure, such as new reservoirs, can get going."

    As an unmetered customer, I can't even work on reducing my usage...
    To be fair, that is needed. We don't have the storage and distribution needed for a growing population and for climate resilience, plus the public won't accept direct sewer discharge anymore.

    20 years of water infrastructure works coming.
    It's worse than that. Governments claim to be wanting net-zero, but the sections of the 'new' East-West rail line have been built without overhead line equipment, meaning they are diesel-only. And the planned new section might not have the equipment either - though the plan says they *might* go for the cheaper discontinuous electrification and use bi-modes.

    Hopeless, hopeless, hopeless.

    (This is a criticism of previous governments, not the current one. Unless they plan the new Bedford to Cambridge line not to be electrified...)
  • eekeek Posts: 29,397
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Water bills to go up by £120 or so this April - what the fucking fuck ?

    Seems like this is the explanation:

    "Bill rises for the next five years are being front-loaded, with a big increase this April so that spending on new infrastructure, such as new reservoirs, can get going."

    As an unmetered customer, I can't even work on reducing my usage...
    Something I've been pondering with respect to energy and phones is incentives to build private sector infrastructure. In the case of water, is there any guarantee that all increased income will be spent on reservoirs?
    Well, that's up to the regulator...
    It’s ofwat so it could easily be extracted as dividends and they wouldn’t notice
  • eekeek Posts: 29,397

    She wants to send the message that Britain is open for business. But the reality is that this will be mired in policy discussions for years and years.”

    And that is the problem with Britain.

    If she was truly serious she'd pass primary legislation disapplying the Net Zero law from the powers needed to build the airport.
    It would still be challenged in court - what we is fo get the court cases brought now and processed as quickly as possible. Instead the court case will be requested at the last second possible with hearings in x years time
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    eek said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Water bills to go up by £120 or so this April - what the fucking fuck ?

    Seems like this is the explanation:

    "Bill rises for the next five years are being front-loaded, with a big increase this April so that spending on new infrastructure, such as new reservoirs, can get going."

    As an unmetered customer, I can't even work on reducing my usage...
    Something I've been pondering with respect to energy and phones is incentives to build private sector infrastructure. In the case of water, is there any guarantee that all increased income will be spent on reservoirs?
    Well, that's up to the regulator...
    It’s ofwat so it could easily be extracted as dividends and they wouldn’t notice
    There’s possibly a decades-long failure of regulation here.

    Do they have a revolving door problem, of people moving from the regulator into senior roles in the industry?
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,895

    She wants to send the message that Britain is open for business. But the reality is that this will be mired in policy discussions for years and years.”

    And that is the problem with Britain.

    If she was truly serious she'd pass primary legislation disapplying the Net Zero law from the powers needed to build the airport.
    I see that Jolyon prick is already talking about legal Challenges.

    There will simply be challenge after challenge after challenge and it will never happen.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,895
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Water bills to go up by £120 or so this April - what the fucking fuck ?

    Seems like this is the explanation:

    "Bill rises for the next five years are being front-loaded, with a big increase this April so that spending on new infrastructure, such as new reservoirs, can get going."

    As an unmetered customer, I can't even work on reducing my usage...
    Something I've been pondering with respect to energy and phones is incentives to build private sector infrastructure. In the case of water, is there any guarantee that all increased income will be spent on reservoirs?
    Well, that's up to the regulator...
    It’s ofwat so it could easily be extracted as dividends and they wouldn’t notice
    There’s possibly a decades-long failure of regulation here.

    Do they have a revolving door problem, of people moving from the regulator into senior roles in the industry?
    Yes.

    We have regulatory capture

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/01/exclusive-uk-water-giants-recruit-top-staff-from-regulator-ofwat
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 546
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Water bills to go up by £120 or so this April - what the fucking fuck ?

    Seems like this is the explanation:

    "Bill rises for the next five years are being front-loaded, with a big increase this April so that spending on new infrastructure, such as new reservoirs, can get going."

    As an unmetered customer, I can't even work on reducing my usage...
    To be fair, that is needed. We don't have the storage and distribution needed for a growing population and for climate resilience, plus the public won't accept direct sewer discharge anymore.

    20 years of water infrastructure works coming.
    Trebles all round for the shareholders:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/29/united-utilities-and-pennon-to-increase-dividend-payments-as-water-bills-rise?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    If you check the shareholder role, you'll see it being mainly institutional investors / pension funds.

    Am ambivalent about penalising pensioners by capping the returns to pension funds but if the Daily Mail was to find out ....
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,866
    According to PPrune, Trump is blaming the people in the control tower...
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,505
    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    "Passenger plane collides with Army helicopter near Reagan Airport":

    https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/plane-crash-dca-potomac-washington-dc-01-29-25/index.html

    Oh sh!t, that looks terrible.

    60 pax and 4 crew on the commercial flight on approach to the airport.
    Three crew in the military helicopter departing.

    How the Hell does that ever happen? Are the mil and civvy traffic at Reagan on different frequencies and speaking to different controllers, mil aircraft with no transponder etc?

    Edit: just seen the picture posted above, not good. But it does show that both aircraft had serviceable transponders switched on.

    18 confirmed dead, it will be a lot higher, likely no more than a handful of survivors if any.
    We know US government is in staff meltdown, I'd expect ATC as a safety critical function to be somewhat immune, but what if this crash can, in DC no less, be attributed in some way to the immediate effects of Project 2025 dicking about?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,822

    According to PPrune, Trump is blaming the people in the control tower...

    Well, he may be right (for once). If a jet flies into a helicopter next to an airport there's clearly been some failure at ATC level.

    Who it is that has failed is a different question and a sane President would probably wait and see before pontificating.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    edited January 30
    Pro_Rata said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    "Passenger plane collides with Army helicopter near Reagan Airport":

    https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/plane-crash-dca-potomac-washington-dc-01-29-25/index.html

    Oh sh!t, that looks terrible.

    60 pax and 4 crew on the commercial flight on approach to the airport.
    Three crew in the military helicopter departing.

    How the Hell does that ever happen? Are the mil and civvy traffic at Reagan on different frequencies and speaking to different controllers, mil aircraft with no transponder etc?

    Edit: just seen the picture posted above, not good. But it does show that both aircraft had serviceable transponders switched on.

    18 confirmed dead, it will be a lot higher, likely no more than a handful of survivors if any.
    We know US government is in staff meltdown, I'd expect ATC as a safety critical function to be somewhat immune, but what if this crash can, in DC no less, be attributed in some way to the immediate effects of Project 2025 dicking about?
    There’s a long history of near-misses at Reagan, two or three in the last year alone. It’s a very complex piece of airspace and operation, that keeps getting busier.

    Here’s a summary of one from last year:
    https://x.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1796154851577000108

    And another one:
    https://x.com/flyinghighryan/status/1795984887301706199

    Let’s wait and see, plane crashes really aren’t a time for politics.

    Of course it took CNN about three minutes to start blaming Trump. Let’s not do that while they are still pulling bodies out of the water.
    https://x.com/steveguest/status/1884811003252064419
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,866
    Pro_Rata said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    "Passenger plane collides with Army helicopter near Reagan Airport":

    https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/plane-crash-dca-potomac-washington-dc-01-29-25/index.html

    Oh sh!t, that looks terrible.

    60 pax and 4 crew on the commercial flight on approach to the airport.
    Three crew in the military helicopter departing.

    How the Hell does that ever happen? Are the mil and civvy traffic at Reagan on different frequencies and speaking to different controllers, mil aircraft with no transponder etc?

    Edit: just seen the picture posted above, not good. But it does show that both aircraft had serviceable transponders switched on.

    18 confirmed dead, it will be a lot higher, likely no more than a handful of survivors if any.
    We know US government is in staff meltdown, I'd expect ATC as a safety critical function to be somewhat immune, but what if this crash can, in DC no less, be attributed in some way to the immediate effects of Project 2025 dicking about?
    I very much doubt that'l be the case. My WAG is that it'll be a Swiss-cheese incident: lots of safety systems and human processes meant to prevent such an incident all failing in minor ways.

    Causal factors, rather than one major cause. Potentially things like different radio systems, a simple mistake by one or both crews on the aircraft.

    I also suspect there will have been near-misses at this location before. Whether they were ever reported or not is another question...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,866
    Sandpit said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    "Passenger plane collides with Army helicopter near Reagan Airport":

    https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/plane-crash-dca-potomac-washington-dc-01-29-25/index.html

    Oh sh!t, that looks terrible.

    60 pax and 4 crew on the commercial flight on approach to the airport.
    Three crew in the military helicopter departing.

    How the Hell does that ever happen? Are the mil and civvy traffic at Reagan on different frequencies and speaking to different controllers, mil aircraft with no transponder etc?

    Edit: just seen the picture posted above, not good. But it does show that both aircraft had serviceable transponders switched on.

    18 confirmed dead, it will be a lot higher, likely no more than a handful of survivors if any.
    We know US government is in staff meltdown, I'd expect ATC as a safety critical function to be somewhat immune, but what if this crash can, in DC no less, be attributed in some way to the immediate effects of Project 2025 dicking about?
    There’s a long history of near-misses at Reagan, two or three in the last year alone. It’s a very complex piece of airspace and operation, that keeps getting busier.

    Here’s a summary of one from last year:
    https://x.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1796154851577000108

    And another one:
    https://x.com/flyinghighryan/status/1795984887301706199

    Let’s wait and see, plane crashes really aren’t a time for politics.

    Of course it took CNN about three minutes to start blaming Trump. Let’s not do that while they are still pulling bodies out of the water.
    https://x.com/steveguest/status/1884811003252064419
    And Trump is already blaming people...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    Oh dear, the American mad conspiracy theorists have been woken up.

    No, you idiots, it most definitely isn’t a intentional act by a mil helicopter to take out an airliner, nor by a controlller to point two aircraft on a collision course.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Water bills to go up by £120 or so this April - what the fucking fuck ?

    Seems like this is the explanation:

    "Bill rises for the next five years are being front-loaded, with a big increase this April so that spending on new infrastructure, such as new reservoirs, can get going."

    As an unmetered customer, I can't even work on reducing my usage...
    To be fair, that is needed. We don't have the storage and distribution needed for a growing population and for climate resilience, plus the public won't accept direct sewer discharge anymore.

    20 years of water infrastructure works coming.
    Trebles all round for the shareholders:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/29/united-utilities-and-pennon-to-increase-dividend-payments-as-water-bills-rise?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    Silly response. The work is needed.

    But par from the course from you now.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Battlebus said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Water bills to go up by £120 or so this April - what the fucking fuck ?

    Seems like this is the explanation:

    "Bill rises for the next five years are being front-loaded, with a big increase this April so that spending on new infrastructure, such as new reservoirs, can get going."

    As an unmetered customer, I can't even work on reducing my usage...
    To be fair, that is needed. We don't have the storage and distribution needed for a growing population and for climate resilience, plus the public won't accept direct sewer discharge anymore.

    20 years of water infrastructure works coming.
    Trebles all round for the shareholders:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/29/united-utilities-and-pennon-to-increase-dividend-payments-as-water-bills-rise?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    If you check the shareholder role, you'll see it being mainly institutional investors / pension funds.

    Am ambivalent about penalising pensioners by capping the returns to pension funds but if the Daily Mail was to find out ....
    He's decided his new role on here is to launch 'gotcha' moments rather than engage in serious discussion anymore.

    But then again, he's a puritan rather dull consultant in a mediocre hospital in Leicester - when he bothers to actually do any work - who has to get his kicks somehow.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    Video taken by a passenger on a flight out of Reagan airport only last week, because he was shocked to see two black helicopters right next to their plane along the river.

    https://x.com/sa_les_ski/status/1884799783518298331

    It looks like one of those places that’s simply outgrown itself. Apparently the main runway there is the busiest runway in the whole of the US.

    But there’s a lot of pressure to keep expanding because of the people who fly there, they really don’t want to have to land somewhere a few miles away and take longer to get into town.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021

    Sandpit said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    "Passenger plane collides with Army helicopter near Reagan Airport":

    https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/plane-crash-dca-potomac-washington-dc-01-29-25/index.html

    Oh sh!t, that looks terrible.

    60 pax and 4 crew on the commercial flight on approach to the airport.
    Three crew in the military helicopter departing.

    How the Hell does that ever happen? Are the mil and civvy traffic at Reagan on different frequencies and speaking to different controllers, mil aircraft with no transponder etc?

    Edit: just seen the picture posted above, not good. But it does show that both aircraft had serviceable transponders switched on.

    18 confirmed dead, it will be a lot higher, likely no more than a handful of survivors if any.
    We know US government is in staff meltdown, I'd expect ATC as a safety critical function to be somewhat immune, but what if this crash can, in DC no less, be attributed in some way to the immediate effects of Project 2025 dicking about?
    There’s a long history of near-misses at Reagan, two or three in the last year alone. It’s a very complex piece of airspace and operation, that keeps getting busier.

    Here’s a summary of one from last year:
    https://x.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1796154851577000108

    And another one:
    https://x.com/flyinghighryan/status/1795984887301706199

    Let’s wait and see, plane crashes really aren’t a time for politics.

    Of course it took CNN about three minutes to start blaming Trump. Let’s not do that while they are still pulling bodies out of the water.
    https://x.com/steveguest/status/1884811003252064419
    And Trump is already blaming people...
    What did he *actually* say?
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 561
    edited January 30
    At some point labour is going to ditch their red lines to get the ever growing number of rejoiners on their side. The ever dwindling number of brexiteers must ultimately become an overwhelming temptation for starmer to exploit.

    Perhaps that is a "half way through the parliamentary term" thing when things slowly veer towards reelection strategy. I have to say I am surprised as how timid and fearful labour have been given the state of the world.... they would have had nothing to lose by going full throttle from the moment they had nr 10 .... weird.

    Anybody on the street could have told starmer that negotiating with redlines is bad politics it angers brexiteers and alienated rejoiners .... it makes nobody happy.... they seem to do all their politics like that. No view to strategy at all.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-anniversary-poll-anniversary-yougov-b2688341.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,952

    At some point labour is going to ditch their red lines to get the ever growing number of rejoiners on their side. The ever dwindling number of brexiteers must ultimately become an overwhelming temptation for starmer to exploit.

    Perhaps that is a "half way through the parliamentary term" thing when things slowly veer towards reelection strategy. I have to say I am surprised as how timid and fearful labour have been given the state of the world.... they would have had nothing to lose by going full throttle from the moment they had nr 10 .... weird.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-anniversary-poll-anniversary-yougov-b2688341.html

    Maybe Starmer is worried about negative effect on his approval ratings....checks graph above....oh.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Taz said:

    She wants to send the message that Britain is open for business. But the reality is that this will be mired in policy discussions for years and years.”

    And that is the problem with Britain.

    If she was truly serious she'd pass primary legislation disapplying the Net Zero law from the powers needed to build the airport.
    I see that Jolyon prick is already talking about legal Challenges.

    There will simply be challenge after challenge after challenge and it will never happen.
    I think his wife has left him now.

    We're connections on LinkedIn and she's changed her surname.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,952
    edited January 30

    Taz said:

    She wants to send the message that Britain is open for business. But the reality is that this will be mired in policy discussions for years and years.”

    And that is the problem with Britain.

    If she was truly serious she'd pass primary legislation disapplying the Net Zero law from the powers needed to build the airport.
    I see that Jolyon prick is already talking about legal Challenges.

    There will simply be challenge after challenge after challenge and it will never happen.
    I think his wife has left him now.

    We're connections on LinkedIn and she's changed her surname.
    That explains a lot....
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,866
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    "Passenger plane collides with Army helicopter near Reagan Airport":

    https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/plane-crash-dca-potomac-washington-dc-01-29-25/index.html

    Oh sh!t, that looks terrible.

    60 pax and 4 crew on the commercial flight on approach to the airport.
    Three crew in the military helicopter departing.

    How the Hell does that ever happen? Are the mil and civvy traffic at Reagan on different frequencies and speaking to different controllers, mil aircraft with no transponder etc?

    Edit: just seen the picture posted above, not good. But it does show that both aircraft had serviceable transponders switched on.

    18 confirmed dead, it will be a lot higher, likely no more than a handful of survivors if any.
    We know US government is in staff meltdown, I'd expect ATC as a safety critical function to be somewhat immune, but what if this crash can, in DC no less, be attributed in some way to the immediate effects of Project 2025 dicking about?
    There’s a long history of near-misses at Reagan, two or three in the last year alone. It’s a very complex piece of airspace and operation, that keeps getting busier.

    Here’s a summary of one from last year:
    https://x.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1796154851577000108

    And another one:
    https://x.com/flyinghighryan/status/1795984887301706199

    Let’s wait and see, plane crashes really aren’t a time for politics.

    Of course it took CNN about three minutes to start blaming Trump. Let’s not do that while they are still pulling bodies out of the water.
    https://x.com/steveguest/status/1884811003252064419
    And Trump is already blaming people...
    What did he *actually* say?
    It's apparently on Truth Social, so I cannot get to the original. But here:

    "Trump continued: 'Why didn’t the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane. This is a bad situation that looks like it should have been prevented. NOT GOOD!!!' "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14340899/Donald-Trump-statement-American-Airlines-Blackhawk-crash.html

    It is not the president's job to spew out ill-informed speculation a few hours after a disaster. It is his job to let the experts do their work, and to ensure they have everything they need to do their work. Spouting out in this manner just interferes.

    In the words of the link you gave when castigating CNN: Callous and yet so entirely predictable.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,952
    edited January 30
    Diplomat who left classified MoD papers at bus stop 'lined up for new top job as UK's NATO ambassador'

    Since the incident, he was given a promotion and title of assistant secretary-general for defence policy and planning with the diplomatic mission, and was also asked to join a review of UK defences in September of last year. Now a Whitehall source has told The Times that Mr Lapsley is expected to officially be appointed the UK's NATO ambassador next week.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14340523/diplomat-classified-mod-papers-bus-stop-job-nato.html

    No idea why institutions in the UK are a shit show. It often feels like a prerequisite for promotion to have f##ked up at least once. preferably multiple times.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,155
    Battlebus said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Water bills to go up by £120 or so this April - what the fucking fuck ?

    Seems like this is the explanation:

    "Bill rises for the next five years are being front-loaded, with a big increase this April so that spending on new infrastructure, such as new reservoirs, can get going."

    As an unmetered customer, I can't even work on reducing my usage...
    To be fair, that is needed. We don't have the storage and distribution needed for a growing population and for climate resilience, plus the public won't accept direct sewer discharge anymore.

    20 years of water infrastructure works coming.
    Trebles all round for the shareholders:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/29/united-utilities-and-pennon-to-increase-dividend-payments-as-water-bills-rise?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    If you check the shareholder role, you'll see it being mainly institutional investors / pension funds.

    Am ambivalent about penalising pensioners by capping the returns to pension funds but if the Daily Mail was to find out ....
    Quick calculation to see how much the median pensioner will lose by increased bills, and how much they will gain from their share of the increase in dividends please? suspect the increased bills will be many times higher, and this 'but what about the pension funds' argument is extremely weak
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Water bills to go up by £120 or so this April - what the fucking fuck ?

    Seems like this is the explanation:

    "Bill rises for the next five years are being front-loaded, with a big increase this April so that spending on new infrastructure, such as new reservoirs, can get going."

    As an unmetered customer, I can't even work on reducing my usage...
    To be fair, that is needed. We don't have the storage and distribution needed for a growing population and for climate resilience, plus the public won't accept direct sewer discharge anymore.

    20 years of water infrastructure works coming.
    It's worse than that. Governments claim to be wanting net-zero, but the sections of the 'new' East-West rail line have been built without overhead line equipment, meaning they are diesel-only. And the planned new section might not have the equipment either - though the plan says they *might* go for the cheaper discontinuous electrification and use bi-modes.

    Hopeless, hopeless, hopeless.

    (This is a criticism of previous governments, not the current one. Unless they plan the new Bedford to Cambridge line not to be electrified...)
    It's the quality of person going into politics.

    The only skill rewarded is pissing in the media and ar$elicking, not competence. So that's what they get.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,952
    edited January 30
    The owner of Hinkley Point C in Somerset has warned that the much-delayed construction of Britain’s first new nuclear power plant in a generation could face further hold-ups due to a row over its impact on local fish.

    The nuclear developer, EDF Energy, warned that the “lengthy process” to agree to a solution with local communities to protect fish in the River Severn had “the potential to delay the operation of the power station”.

    http://theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/30/hinkley-point-c-owner-warns-fish-row-may-further-delay-nuclear-plant

    First it was bat tunnels, now fish discos.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    "Passenger plane collides with Army helicopter near Reagan Airport":

    https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/plane-crash-dca-potomac-washington-dc-01-29-25/index.html

    Oh sh!t, that looks terrible.

    60 pax and 4 crew on the commercial flight on approach to the airport.
    Three crew in the military helicopter departing.

    How the Hell does that ever happen? Are the mil and civvy traffic at Reagan on different frequencies and speaking to different controllers, mil aircraft with no transponder etc?

    Edit: just seen the picture posted above, not good. But it does show that both aircraft had serviceable transponders switched on.

    18 confirmed dead, it will be a lot higher, likely no more than a handful of survivors if any.
    We know US government is in staff meltdown, I'd expect ATC as a safety critical function to be somewhat immune, but what if this crash can, in DC no less, be attributed in some way to the immediate effects of Project 2025 dicking about?
    There’s a long history of near-misses at Reagan, two or three in the last year alone. It’s a very complex piece of airspace and operation, that keeps getting busier.

    Here’s a summary of one from last year:
    https://x.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1796154851577000108

    And another one:
    https://x.com/flyinghighryan/status/1795984887301706199

    Let’s wait and see, plane crashes really aren’t a time for politics.

    Of course it took CNN about three minutes to start blaming Trump. Let’s not do that while they are still pulling bodies out of the water.
    https://x.com/steveguest/status/1884811003252064419
    And Trump is already blaming people...
    What did he *actually* say?
    It's apparently on Truth Social, so I cannot get to the original. But here:

    "Trump continued: 'Why didn’t the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane. This is a bad situation that looks like it should have been prevented. NOT GOOD!!!' "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14340899/Donald-Trump-statement-American-Airlines-Blackhawk-crash.html

    It is not the president's job to spew out ill-informed speculation a few hours after a disaster. It is his job to let the experts do their work, and to ensure they have everything they need to do their work. Spouting out in this manner just interferes.

    In the words of the link you gave when castigating CNN: Callous and yet so entirely predictable.
    That’s not particularly controversial at all, in fact it’s going to be one of the very first questions the investigators need to answer.

    TDS in full effect.

    Trump had already made a statement earlier in the evening
    https://x.com/mahalaxmiraman/status/1884857022656794812
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 546
    kamski said:

    Battlebus said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Water bills to go up by £120 or so this April - what the fucking fuck ?

    Seems like this is the explanation:

    "Bill rises for the next five years are being front-loaded, with a big increase this April so that spending on new infrastructure, such as new reservoirs, can get going."

    As an unmetered customer, I can't even work on reducing my usage...
    To be fair, that is needed. We don't have the storage and distribution needed for a growing population and for climate resilience, plus the public won't accept direct sewer discharge anymore.

    20 years of water infrastructure works coming.
    Trebles all round for the shareholders:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/29/united-utilities-and-pennon-to-increase-dividend-payments-as-water-bills-rise?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    If you check the shareholder role, you'll see it being mainly institutional investors / pension funds.

    Am ambivalent about penalising pensioners by capping the returns to pension funds but if the Daily Mail was to find out ....
    Quick calculation to see how much the median pensioner will lose by increased bills, and how much they will gain from their share of the increase in dividends please? suspect the increased bills will be many times higher, and this 'but what about the pension funds' argument is extremely weak
    Not easy to do that calculation as many utilities have 'social tariffs'. If you are on Pension Credit for example. you can access these lower charges. Pension Credit is well worth getting if you are poor enough to qualify and governments have been pushing people to apply for a long time.

    If you happen to be or know of someone on their uppers, advise them to seek it out.

    /public service announcement.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,952
    Crime ‘spiralling out of control’ in stores, warns British Retail Consortium
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/30/crime-stores-shoplifting-survey-british-retail-consortium

    Maybe somebody should drop a note in Starmer's inbox claiming all the shoplifting is being conducted by far right adjacent youth with dodgy social media posts...
  • NEW THREAD

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,910
    kinabalu said:

    In interviews later, Ms Reeves admitted it will take years for the Heathrow project to materialise - and that it would only be at a planning stage this Parliament.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/01/29/heathrow-wont-get-new-runway-before-2050/

    Looks like fails Leon's test for spades in the ground in the next few years. We will have to wait another 10-15 years for that 0.5% increase in GDP.

    Many will not watch the following because it's

    a) Farage
    b) GBNews

    But this is a good discussion on Rachel Reeves' growth push between Farage, Kwasi and Lloyd Russel Moyle, who is, as I've said before, a surprisingly useful commentator in his token lefty role.

    https://youtu.be/668QJPG5u1Q?si=N_cOgQ0YhUC6IxB5

    They conclude that none of the measures will impact at all during this parliament.

    But at least we're having the 'how to grow' conversation I suppose.
    Meaning they are prioritising long term sustainable growth over the frothy short term variety. That's putting country over party. Admirable but politically unwise.
    just hot air and bollox, they have no clue so come out with pie in the sky rubbish whilst making short term disastrous decisions.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,457

    Andy_JS said:

    Idris Elba wades into the knife debate.

    "Not all kitchen knives need to have a point on them, that sounds like a crazy thing to say," he adds, "but you can still cut your food without the point on your knife, which is an innovative way to look at it."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1jgz1ld7lno

    Those zombie knives and massive machetes that you see da yutt pull from their pants never look like they could be used to chop your veg efficiently. They aren't getting them from Amazon or Home Bargains either.
    No-one tell him about how you can stab someone with a plastic bag. No, really.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,910

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Water bills to go up by £120 or so this April - what the fucking fuck ?

    Seems like this is the explanation:

    "Bill rises for the next five years are being front-loaded, with a big increase this April so that spending on new infrastructure, such as new reservoirs, can get going."

    As an unmetered customer, I can't even work on reducing my usage...
    To be fair, that is needed. We don't have the storage and distribution needed for a growing population and for climate resilience, plus the public won't accept direct sewer discharge anymore.

    20 years of water infrastructure works coming.
    public paying dear for it whilst the fat cats and regulators keep stuffing their pockets with ill gotten gains. If it was you or I we would have been in the pokey long ago.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,288

    Sandpit said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    "Passenger plane collides with Army helicopter near Reagan Airport":

    https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/plane-crash-dca-potomac-washington-dc-01-29-25/index.html

    Oh sh!t, that looks terrible.

    60 pax and 4 crew on the commercial flight on approach to the airport.
    Three crew in the military helicopter departing.

    How the Hell does that ever happen? Are the mil and civvy traffic at Reagan on different frequencies and speaking to different controllers, mil aircraft with no transponder etc?

    Edit: just seen the picture posted above, not good. But it does show that both aircraft had serviceable transponders switched on.

    18 confirmed dead, it will be a lot higher, likely no more than a handful of survivors if any.
    We know US government is in staff meltdown, I'd expect ATC as a safety critical function to be somewhat immune, but what if this crash can, in DC no less, be attributed in some way to the immediate effects of Project 2025 dicking about?
    There’s a long history of near-misses at Reagan, two or three in the last year alone. It’s a very complex piece of airspace and operation, that keeps getting busier.

    Here’s a summary of one from last year:
    https://x.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1796154851577000108

    And another one:
    https://x.com/flyinghighryan/status/1795984887301706199

    Let’s wait and see, plane crashes really aren’t a time for politics.

    Of course it took CNN about three minutes to start blaming Trump. Let’s not do that while they are still pulling bodies out of the water.
    https://x.com/steveguest/status/1884811003252064419
    And Trump is already blaming people...
    Reagan National Airport has been an accident waiting to happen for many years. Unfortunately sooner or later your luck runs out. This is true for a lot of the US right now- wildfires, badly built infrastructure, poor earthquake protection, aging flood defences
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,866
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    "Passenger plane collides with Army helicopter near Reagan Airport":

    https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/plane-crash-dca-potomac-washington-dc-01-29-25/index.html

    Oh sh!t, that looks terrible.

    60 pax and 4 crew on the commercial flight on approach to the airport.
    Three crew in the military helicopter departing.

    How the Hell does that ever happen? Are the mil and civvy traffic at Reagan on different frequencies and speaking to different controllers, mil aircraft with no transponder etc?

    Edit: just seen the picture posted above, not good. But it does show that both aircraft had serviceable transponders switched on.

    18 confirmed dead, it will be a lot higher, likely no more than a handful of survivors if any.
    We know US government is in staff meltdown, I'd expect ATC as a safety critical function to be somewhat immune, but what if this crash can, in DC no less, be attributed in some way to the immediate effects of Project 2025 dicking about?
    There’s a long history of near-misses at Reagan, two or three in the last year alone. It’s a very complex piece of airspace and operation, that keeps getting busier.

    Here’s a summary of one from last year:
    https://x.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1796154851577000108

    And another one:
    https://x.com/flyinghighryan/status/1795984887301706199

    Let’s wait and see, plane crashes really aren’t a time for politics.

    Of course it took CNN about three minutes to start blaming Trump. Let’s not do that while they are still pulling bodies out of the water.
    https://x.com/steveguest/status/1884811003252064419
    And Trump is already blaming people...
    What did he *actually* say?
    It's apparently on Truth Social, so I cannot get to the original. But here:

    "Trump continued: 'Why didn’t the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane. This is a bad situation that looks like it should have been prevented. NOT GOOD!!!' "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14340899/Donald-Trump-statement-American-Airlines-Blackhawk-crash.html

    It is not the president's job to spew out ill-informed speculation a few hours after a disaster. It is his job to let the experts do their work, and to ensure they have everything they need to do their work. Spouting out in this manner just interferes.

    In the words of the link you gave when castigating CNN: Callous and yet so entirely predictable.
    That’s not particularly controversial at all, in fact it’s going to be one of the very first questions the investigators need to answer.

    TDS in full effect.

    Trump had already made a statement earlier in the evening
    https://x.com/mahalaxmiraman/status/1884857022656794812
    You are wrong. Trump Derangement Syndrome makes someone who pretends to care about Ukraine shill for Trump and the GOP whose words and actions have already killed many Ukrainians, and might well kill more.

    That's true derangement.

    But you muss my words, so I will repeat them: "It is not the president's job to spew out ill-informed speculation a few hours after a disaster. It is his job to let the experts do their work, and to ensure they have everything they need to do their work. Spouting out in this manner just interferes."
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,952
    edited January 30
    This thread has run into legal challenges over its environmental impact and been shut down....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,403
    edited January 30
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Sandpit said:

    carnforth said:

    "Passenger plane collides with Army helicopter near Reagan Airport":

    https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/plane-crash-dca-potomac-washington-dc-01-29-25/index.html

    Oh sh!t, that looks terrible.

    60 pax and 4 crew on the commercial flight on approach to the airport.
    Three crew in the military helicopter departing.

    How the Hell does that ever happen? Are the mil and civvy traffic at Reagan on different frequencies and speaking to different controllers, mil aircraft with no transponder etc?

    Edit: just seen the picture posted above, not good. But it does show that both aircraft had serviceable transponders switched on.

    18 confirmed dead, it will be a lot higher, likely no more than a handful of survivors if any.
    We know US government is in staff meltdown, I'd expect ATC as a safety critical function to be somewhat immune, but what if this crash can, in DC no less, be attributed in some way to the immediate effects of Project 2025 dicking about?
    There’s a long history of near-misses at Reagan, two or three in the last year alone. It’s a very complex piece of airspace and operation, that keeps getting busier.

    Here’s a summary of one from last year:
    https://x.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1796154851577000108

    And another one:
    https://x.com/flyinghighryan/status/1795984887301706199

    Let’s wait and see, plane crashes really aren’t a time for politics.

    Of course it took CNN about three minutes to start blaming Trump. Let’s not do that while they are still pulling bodies out of the water.
    https://x.com/steveguest/status/1884811003252064419
    And Trump is already blaming people...
    What did he *actually* say?
    It's apparently on Truth Social, so I cannot get to the original. But here:

    "Trump continued: 'Why didn’t the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane. This is a bad situation that looks like it should have been prevented. NOT GOOD!!!' "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14340899/Donald-Trump-statement-American-Airlines-Blackhawk-crash.html

    It is not the president's job to spew out ill-informed speculation a few hours after a disaster. It is his job to let the experts do their work, and to ensure they have everything they need to do their work. Spouting out in this manner just interferes.

    In the words of the link you gave when castigating CNN: Callous and yet so entirely predictable.
    That’s not particularly controversial at all, in fact it’s going to be one of the very first questions the investigators need to answer.

    TDS in full effect.

    Trump had already made a statement earlier in the evening
    https://x.com/mahalaxmiraman/status/1884857022656794812



    This substack has the audio of the ATC, the relevant bit being 17.30 onwards. It seems he ATC told the helicopter to pass behind the passenger jet.

    https://fallows.substack.com/p/it-had-been-16-years-since-a-fatal

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,321

    Diplomat who left classified MoD papers at bus stop 'lined up for new top job as UK's NATO ambassador'

    Since the incident, he was given a promotion and title of assistant secretary-general for defence policy and planning with the diplomatic mission, and was also asked to join a review of UK defences in September of last year. Now a Whitehall source has told The Times that Mr Lapsley is expected to officially be appointed the UK's NATO ambassador next week.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14340523/diplomat-classified-mod-papers-bus-stop-job-nato.html

    No idea why institutions in the UK are a shit show. It often feels like a prerequisite for promotion to have f##ked up at least once. preferably multiple times.

    He fucked up. 10 years ago. Does that mean his career should be terminated? Or does it mean that he’s in the penalty box until he’s reproved himself?


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