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"Favourites" is fair; "near certain" is over-egging it.rcs1000 said:
There's barely a cigarette paper between 2nd and 4th, and the LibDems have (historically) had a pretty strong local government presence in the constituency.Driver said:rcs1000 said:
As City Minister rather than as MP, presumably.Big_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
A byelection in Hampstead and Highgate would be a near certain win for the LibDems, one would have thought.
From fourth place?
With Labour unpopular, the Conservatives moribund, the Greens having no meaningful byelection experience, and this hardly being fertile Reform territory, then yes I'd make the LibDems favorites, with the Greens being second most likely.
Parties have won from fourth or lower before, though rarely. It's happened twice since 1945, as far as I can tell:
- Glasgow Govan, 1988, SNP from fourth place (miles behind Labour in first at the preceding GE but only marginally off second); and
- Bradford West, 2012, Respect from fifth (very much a Galloway personal vote).
Although for much of the post-1945 period, there weren't four (or more) parties to go around, outside Scotland and Wales.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a party win from third or lower - or a defending party drop to third or lower - in this parliament though.0 -
Hold on. Is that the real story we (and Guido) are all missing?tlg86 said:https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1879207357374161270
Guido beating TSE to not very nice puns about a certain Labour politician.
Yesterday, Torsten Bell's twin, Olaf, is appointed to Number 10, reported as a blow to Reeves' authority. Today, Tulip "resigns" and Olaf's twin Torsten is her replacement.
Starmer appoints former Treasury official as key aide in blow to Reeves’ authority
Olaf Henricson-Bell is the new head of the No 10 policy unit and has worked closely with Lord Hammond, Sir Sajid Javid and Rishi Sunak
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/01/13/starmer-appoints-former-treasury-official-as-key-aide/ (£££)
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Do you think we should tear down the statue of Churchill in Parliament Square because he was a racist who wanted to preserve the empire and keep Britain white?Nigelb said:
The only folk relitigating the civil war are those arguing that it wasn't a traitorous rebellion, in defence of slavery.williamglenn said:
The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.Nigelb said:
Your ignorance of US history is notable.williamglenn said:
If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
If your questions were sincere rather than rhetorical, I might occasionally answer them.
You fought all the way, Johnny Reb, Johnny Reb
You fought all the way, Johnny Reb
Saw you a-marchin' with Robert E. Lee
You held your head a-high, tryin' to win the victory
You fought for your folks but you didn't die in vain
Even though you lost, they speak highly of your name
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Truly an appointment that shatters glass ceilings. Or alternatively, one that shows up the hollowness of DEI reporting if social background isn't given sufficient prominence in the stats.JosiasJessop said:I read Tulip's wiki entry when the allegations first came out, and she really is an insider.
"As a child, she met Nelson Mandela, Bill Clinton and Mother Teresa, and her family was invited to the White House"
"Her maternal grandfather is Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the founding leader and first President of Bangladesh.[12] Her mother's elder sister, Sheikh Hasina, was Prime Minister of Bangladesh from 2009 until ousted in 2024."
"She has worked for Amnesty International, the Greater London Authority, at Philip Gould Associates, the political consultancy firm run by New Labour strategist Philip Gould, Save the Children, and Brunswick Group, where she worked on corporate social responsibility initiatives for major British manufacturers, as well as for MPs Oona King, Sadiq Khan and Harry Cohen. "
That may go to explain why there was not enough inquiry into her background.2 -
This is funny as well (or would be, aside from the topic):
"In November 2017, whilst campaigning for the release of her constituent, the British-Iranian citizen Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, who was detained in Iran, she was asked by Alex Thomson of Channel 4 News and ITN about using her family ties to the Bangladeshi government, led by her aunt, in order to liberate British Bangladeshi barrister Ahmad Bin Quasem, who is thought to have been abducted by state security forces in Bangladesh. The programme's editor, Ben de Pear, complained about Siddiq's "threatening behaviour" to a pregnant producer, while Siddiq complained to the police about her interlocutors.[79][80][81] She later apologised in a statement to the producer, Daisy Ayliffe, for the offence caused.[80]"
"We must free this journalist!"
"Why don't you ask your aunt to release this barrister?"
"Don't be horrid! I'm calling the police!"1 -
I don't believe he ever fought a war for a secessionist part of the UK against the rest, or maintained the practice of slavery anywhere in the Empire. Also, he won a world war which I don't believe Robert E Lee did.williamglenn said:
Do you think we should tear down the statue of Churchill in Parliament Square because he was a racist who wanted to preserve the empire and keep Britain white?Nigelb said:
The only folk relitigating the civil war are those arguing that it wasn't a traitorous rebellion, in defence of slavery.williamglenn said:
The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.Nigelb said:
Your ignorance of US history is notable.williamglenn said:
If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
If your questions were sincere rather than rhetorical, I might occasionally answer them.
You fought all the way, Johnny Reb, Johnny Reb
You fought all the way, Johnny Reb
Saw you a-marchin' with Robert E. Lee
You held your head a-high, tryin' to win the victory
You fought for your folks but you didn't die in vain
Even though you lost, they speak highly of your name
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I didn't have william embracing Lost Cause propaganda on my January bingo card, but there you go.4
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Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
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Sometimes polite fictions are worth preserving.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
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I'd save your energy, last William posted some nasty anti-Catholic bigotry towards Joe Biden, then feigned ignorance about the long history of anti-Catholic bigotry in America, particularly towards presidential candidates.Nigelb said:I didn't have william embracing Lost Cause propaganda on my January bingo card, but there you go.
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Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE0 -
Nevertheless, military bases being named after these people was quite acceptable to all sides of the political spectrum until the very recent past. So I don’t really see that it's particularly shocking and unconscionable for some Americans who liked it that way to want to go back to the previous status quo.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
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It wasn't bigotry to question whether Biden might be influenced by the Pope's views. If not then in what sense is he a Catholic?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd save your energy, last William posted some nasty anti-Catholic bigotry towards Joe Biden, then feigned ignorance about the long history of anti-Catholic bigotry in America, particularly towards presidential candidates.Nigelb said:I didn't have william embracing Lost Cause propaganda on my January bingo card, but there you go.
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Yes, the pro abortion Joe Biden always follows the Bishop of Rome's lead.williamglenn said:
It wasn't bigotry to question whether Biden might be influenced by the Pope's views. If not then in what sense is he a Catholic?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd save your energy, last William posted some nasty anti-Catholic bigotry towards Joe Biden, then feigned ignorance about the long history of anti-Catholic bigotry in America, particularly towards presidential candidates.Nigelb said:I didn't have william embracing Lost Cause propaganda on my January bingo card, but there you go.
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They thought of themselves as independent states seeking to take back control, only to discover the hard way they weren't and they couldn't.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
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The Union went full HYUFD on them.Alphabet_Soup said:
They thought of themselves as independent states seeking to take back control, only to discover the hard way they weren't and they couldn't.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
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Appeasement.williamglenn said:
If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
Which always works out well.0 -
If the BBC can't get a sitcom out of that- Yes, Minister crossed with Get Me Hennimore- there is no hope for us.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Hold on. Is that the real story we (and Guido) are all missing?tlg86 said:https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1879207357374161270
Guido beating TSE to not very nice puns about a certain Labour politician.
Yesterday, Torsten Bell's twin, Olaf, is appointed to Number 10, reported as a blow to Reeves' authority. Today, Tulip "resigns" and Olaf's twin Torsten is her replacement.
Starmer appoints former Treasury official as key aide in blow to Reeves’ authority
Olaf Henricson-Bell is the new head of the No 10 policy unit and has worked closely with Lord Hammond, Sir Sajid Javid and Rishi Sunak
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/01/13/starmer-appoints-former-treasury-official-as-key-aide/ (£££)1 -
Torsten Bell gets ministerial job.
One to watch PBers.
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They were all too busy taking freebies and to be fair Rachel was a secretary or something in accounts and so likely least worst of the clowns availableLeon said:Before appointing Tulip Siddiq as Minister for Not Being At All Corrupt didn’t anyone in Labour think to check if she is actually a tiny bit, er, you know?
Ditto Jess Philips and thingy
And Rachel from Accounts who can’t actually do Accounts0 -
The other thing is people forget is the likes of Robert E. Lee didn't want statues of themselves put up.Theuniondivvie said:
Appeasement.williamglenn said:
If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
Which always works out well.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments0 -
And I bet a lot of those people would also quite like to go back to the 'status quo' that prevailed in the south at the time...Luckyguy1983 said:
Nevertheless, military bases being named after these people was quite acceptable to all sides of the political spectrum until the very recent past. So I don’t really see that it's particularly shocking and unconscionable for some Americans who liked it that way to want to go back to the previous status quo.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
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So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE0 -
Bolloxviewcode said:
They are racist because they fought for the Confederacy (a country based and built on slavery) and they were traitors because they fought for the armed forces of another country against the properly constituted armed forces, government and constitution of the United States of America.williamglenn said:
If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
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Agree. He's quite a Green these days albeit a thinking one who likes tech futures stuff.Leon said:
Bastani has become an interesting and astute observer of UK politics. He’s come a long way from the old Novara MediaMexicanpete said:
Aaron Bastani you say? Even though Reeves is struggling and international economic headwinds are buffeting her all over the place Mandy Rice Davies still applies.williamglenn said:https://x.com/aaronbastani/status/1879213455720554884
If you get the chance I recommend watching Rachel Reeves in the Commons today.
She is awful. You can easily imagine her political brand collapsing in a matter of days if a genuine crisis emerges.
The Starmer government is so....flimsy!
She strikes me as way more insubstantial than Truss or Kwarteng.
It's like watching a Potemkin government. This person is in charge of the country's finances? Really?!
He’s still on the left, for sure, but you can never be certain of his take - generally a positive sign - and he’s a very good Noticer of Things
But he's still Novara.
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That really deserves a massive LOLrcs1000 said:
I think you're looking at this the wrong way: she has first hand experience of corruption, unlike so many Brits who simply wouldn't be able to spot it. We should be grateful that she chosen to share her expertise with us.Leon said:
Not only that, they literally appointed her the “Anti Corruption Minister”Cyclefree said:
Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?Jim_the_Lurker said:On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.
To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).
However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.
This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?
Mind-boggling
If I was a proper journalist, I’d be checking the social media of the Minister For Stopping The Raping Of Newts, to see if he spends a lot of time near ponds
Recent years have seen a PM with a lifestyle underwritten to the tune of several hundred thousand by the "generosity of strangers", questionable Covid PPE contract awards in £bns, Greensill....
what's been lacking is investigation and consequences.2 -
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE0 -
True, and I'm not denying that the actions of many on the Confederate side were, or could be construed as, brave and noble. As (I think it was) Cyclefree said the other day, between compulsion and illegality lies the state of manners, where we nod and smile to the other side to get thru the day without killing each other. But I don't think bases of the United States Armed Forces should be named after those who took up arms against it. They don't have the AFB Benedict Arnold, and we don't have the naval base HMS[1] William BrittainAndy_JS said:
Sometimes polite fictions are worth preserving.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
Enjoy
[1] land-based naval bases are denoted "HMS"
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In a bad way.rottenborough said:Torsten Bell gets ministerial job.
One to watch PBers.0 -
Highlights all these charities , you wonder who gets the charity.david_herdson said:
Truly an appointment that shatters glass ceilings. Or alternatively, one that shows up the hollowness of DEI reporting if social background isn't given sufficient prominence in the stats.JosiasJessop said:I read Tulip's wiki entry when the allegations first came out, and she really is an insider.
"As a child, she met Nelson Mandela, Bill Clinton and Mother Teresa, and her family was invited to the White House"
"Her maternal grandfather is Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the founding leader and first President of Bangladesh.[12] Her mother's elder sister, Sheikh Hasina, was Prime Minister of Bangladesh from 2009 until ousted in 2024."
"She has worked for Amnesty International, the Greater London Authority, at Philip Gould Associates, the political consultancy firm run by New Labour strategist Philip Gould, Save the Children, and Brunswick Group, where she worked on corporate social responsibility initiatives for major British manufacturers, as well as for MPs Oona King, Sadiq Khan and Harry Cohen. "
That may go to explain why there was not enough inquiry into her background.0 -
I ca never get round the fact that Aaron Bell and Torsten Bell are different people.rottenborough said:Torsten Bell gets ministerial job.
One to watch PBers.2 -
well when you claim insurance for lost items that are then found on your person, it is called fraud even if you were just too lazy to bother paying back the insurance company.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE0 -
Do you think that question actually adds anything to the debate, or whether it is just whatabouttery?williamglenn said:
Do you think we should tear down the statue of Churchill in Parliament Square because he was a racist who wanted to preserve the empire and keep Britain white?Nigelb said:
The only folk relitigating the civil war are those arguing that it wasn't a traitorous rebellion, in defence of slavery.williamglenn said:
The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.Nigelb said:
Your ignorance of US history is notable.williamglenn said:
If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
If your questions were sincere rather than rhetorical, I might occasionally answer them.
You fought all the way, Johnny Reb, Johnny Reb
You fought all the way, Johnny Reb
Saw you a-marchin' with Robert E. Lee
You held your head a-high, tryin' to win the victory
You fought for your folks but you didn't die in vain
Even though you lost, they speak highly of your name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAbZ3I6-1lY0 -
South Asian politics again proving to be troubling for Labour.0
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Like Trump support is mainly about the economy.Andy_JS said:
Sometimes polite fictions are worth preserving.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
Enjoy0 -
The point is that iconoclasm can be taken to the point that you start destroying things you might not want to, so you should be careful if you don’t want to be accused of hypocrisy.rcs1000 said:
Do you think that question actually adds anything to the debate, or whether it is just whatabouttery?williamglenn said:
Do you think we should tear down the statue of Churchill in Parliament Square because he was a racist who wanted to preserve the empire and keep Britain white?Nigelb said:
The only folk relitigating the civil war are those arguing that it wasn't a traitorous rebellion, in defence of slavery.williamglenn said:
The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.Nigelb said:
Your ignorance of US history is notable.williamglenn said:
If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
If your questions were sincere rather than rhetorical, I might occasionally answer them.
You fought all the way, Johnny Reb, Johnny Reb
You fought all the way, Johnny Reb
Saw you a-marchin' with Robert E. Lee
You held your head a-high, tryin' to win the victory
You fought for your folks but you didn't die in vain
Even though you lost, they speak highly of your name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAbZ3I6-1lY0 -
Read between the lines. Did she know more about this "lost" phone than she admitted.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE1 -
Plenty of low information voters were sucked in by the 'price of eggs' thing and have no idea about the rest of it.kinabalu said:
Maga is not really about the economy, is it. That's just a way to discuss it comfortably.Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/18788173125661085290 -
So was it her employer who pressed charges?TheScreamingEagles said:
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
The gap between her explanation - "it was an honest mistake" - and what I think we're supposed to read into this ( she reported a phone as stolen which wasn't? - there was no robbery in the first place? Multiple phones? ) seems very large indeed. And the sentence appears to indicate the legal system regarded it as more than an honest mistake. But maybe that is just how the legal system works.
I remember thinking at the time there was surely more to come out, and then I forgot all about it.0 -
The white hoods were actually an invention of the film Birth Of A Nation and picked up by the Second KKK.MarqueeMark said:
But who came up with white?Sean_F said:
Designed by Hugo Boss.glw said:
Next up new Army uniforms with very pointy hoods.Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
Those scorch marks from the burning crosses are a bugger to get out.
Original KKK blackened their faces (typically) and looked like this
This is a depiction of them murdering a newspaper editor.
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John Mcdonnell helping Reeves by saying she'd better not cut spending.1
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But they're so polite down there. Any good Christian will get a mint julep and a bed for the night if their car breaks down.JosiasJessop said:
And I bet a lot of those people would also quite like to go back to the 'status quo' that prevailed in the south at the time...Luckyguy1983 said:
Nevertheless, military bases being named after these people was quite acceptable to all sides of the political spectrum until the very recent past. So I don’t really see that it's particularly shocking and unconscionable for some Americans who liked it that way to want to go back to the previous status quo.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
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The NU10K is strong with this one.JosiasJessop said:I read Tulip's wiki entry when the allegations first came out, and she really is an insider.
"As a child, she met Nelson Mandela, Bill Clinton and Mother Teresa, and her family was invited to the White House"
"Her maternal grandfather is Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the founding leader and first President of Bangladesh.[12] Her mother's elder sister, Sheikh Hasina, was Prime Minister of Bangladesh from 2009 until ousted in 2024."
"She has worked for Amnesty International, the Greater London Authority, at Philip Gould Associates, the political consultancy firm run by New Labour strategist Philip Gould, Save the Children, and Brunswick Group, where she worked on corporate social responsibility initiatives for major British manufacturers, as well as for MPs Oona King, Sadiq Khan and Harry Cohen. "
That may go to explain why there was not enough inquiry into her background.4 -
Will Tulip stand down as MP?
Seems doubtful. The “scandal” is too hard to understand, isn’t it?0 -
Yes. But there's a lot more to it than that. The proper Maga voters, I mean, not the "just pissed off" cohort who swung the election.rottenborough said:
Plenty of low information voters were sucked in by the 'price of eggs' thing and have no idea about the rest of it.kinabalu said:
Maga is not really about the economy, is it. That's just a way to discuss it comfortably.Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/18788173125661085290 -
She was/is obviously corrupt and this was definitely knowable in advance. The surprising bit is that the Hasina regime fell so abruptly meaning the Bangladeshi investigation could begin.Cyclefree said:
Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?Jim_the_Lurker said:On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.
To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).
However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.
This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?
I suppose the positive is that's she's gone...1 -
As I said, I don’t think the issue is this particular level of borrowing.MaxPB said:
She's raised spending by something close to £55bn per year on average with only £25bn of it being funded by tax. She didn't need to do that at all, the entire £55bn is going to be wasted anyway without serious reforms and a massive productivity drive. It will all just get eaten up by pay rises and legal reviews on planning.Gardenwalker said:
I think actually she probably did need to borrow.MaxPB said:
She chose to borrow an additional £150bn over 5 years, no one forced her to do that. She chose to push up the deficit rather than leave it falling as it was before the budget. If the previous government was still in power we wouldn't be seen as the weakest link at all. If anything gilts would be seen as a good bet because we'd be one of a few countries with falling indebtedness and a growing economy.Gardenwalker said:
Unfair to blame Reeves completely.Taz said:
The Reeves Mortgage Penalty.TheScreamingEagles said:Here we go.
A major high street lender has raised mortgage rates amid ongoing bond market chaos.
Virgin Money increased the price of two and five-year deals by up to 0.2 percentage points on Wednesday as a government bond sell-off threatened to keep interest rates higher for longer.
The bank’s 65pc and 75pc loan-to-value (LTV) purchase rates rose by 0.2pc, while its 85pc LTV five-year fixes were raised by 0.1pc.
Inflationary pressures, in part due to Rachel Reeves’s tax-raising Budget, have spooked the bond market in the past week and raised the cost of government borrowing.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/mortgages/first-major-lender-raises-mortgage-rates-bond-turmoil/
Well done Rachel. The new Liz Truss.
Rather, she seems to be left carrying the bag while Trump’s inflationary stance tests global risk appetite for sovereign bonds.
The NYT today reports that “In Global Market Rout, Britain is the ‘Weakest Link’”.
The massive error here is a failure to spell out a coherent growth plan, having promised everyone it was Labour’s #1 policy.
The issue is no growth plan, or in your terms, “serious reforms and a massive productivity drive”.
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Louise Haigh pleaded guilty to lying that phone was stolen, paper showsCookie said:
So was it her employer who pressed charges?TheScreamingEagles said:
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
The gap between her explanation - "it was an honest mistake" - and what I think we're supposed to read into this ( she reported a phone as stolen which wasn't? - there was no robbery in the first place? Multiple phones? ) seems very large indeed. And the sentence appears to indicate the legal system regarded it as more than an honest mistake. But maybe that is just how the legal system works.
I remember thinking at the time there was surely more to come out, and then I forgot all about it.
Exclusive: Document sheds new light on episode that led to minister’s exit and guilty plea that friends say she regrets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows1 -
The first season of Traitors was as good, perhaps as important to telly, as the first season of Big Brother.
But after that it's pretty meh they kick out the smart poshos and then the formula kicks in and no one (ie me) can be bothered.
Let's not forget that Hampstead was a Cons seat not so very long ago before they got their luvvy in chief.0 -
She probably did not even realise there was an insurance claim, if this was just a then-standard way of blagging an upgrade from work.malcolmg said:
well when you claim insurance for lost items that are then found on your person, it is called fraud even if you were just too lazy to bother paying back the insurance company.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE0 -
I thought she had said phone in her possession/use or did I read newspapers incorrectly.squareroot2 said:
Read between the lines. Did she know more about this "lost" phone than she admitted.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE0 -
Last time the Tories won Hampstead was 1987.TOPPING said:The first season of Traitors was as good, perhaps as important to telly, as the first season of Big Brother.
But after that it's pretty meh they kick out the smart poshos and then the formula kicks in and no one (ie me) can be bothered.
Let's not forget that Hampstead was a Cons seat not so very long ago before they got their luvvy in chief.1 -
So the theft was made up? If that's true, that's a far bigger story than was painted at the time. Slightly surprising she's still an MP, tbh. I suppose you do your time and move on - but are there any other convicted criminals in parliament?TheScreamingEagles said:
Louise Haigh pleaded guilty to lying that phone was stolen, paper showsCookie said:
So was it her employer who pressed charges?TheScreamingEagles said:
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
The gap between her explanation - "it was an honest mistake" - and what I think we're supposed to read into this ( she reported a phone as stolen which wasn't? - there was no robbery in the first place? Multiple phones? ) seems very large indeed. And the sentence appears to indicate the legal system regarded it as more than an honest mistake. But maybe that is just how the legal system works.
I remember thinking at the time there was surely more to come out, and then I forgot all about it.
Exclusive: Document sheds new light on episode that led to minister’s exit and guilty plea that friends say she regrets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows0 -
Easy to understand, hard to care unless you feel very strongly about Bangladeshi politics. But Tulip might resign, or not stand for reelection, because this will put the kybosh on any future advancement.Gardenwalker said:Will Tulip stand down as MP?
Seems doubtful. The “scandal” is too hard to understand, isn’t it?0 -
The Reform bloke who kicked his girlfriend. Talk of bringing in a law to stop people like him being allowed to be an MP. Feels dodgy to select on type of crime.Cookie said:
So the theft was made up? If that's true, that's a far bigger story than was painted at the time. Slightly surprising she's still an MP, tbh. I suppose you do your time and move on - but are there any other convicted criminals in parliament?TheScreamingEagles said:
Louise Haigh pleaded guilty to lying that phone was stolen, paper showsCookie said:
So was it her employer who pressed charges?TheScreamingEagles said:
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
The gap between her explanation - "it was an honest mistake" - and what I think we're supposed to read into this ( she reported a phone as stolen which wasn't? - there was no robbery in the first place? Multiple phones? ) seems very large indeed. And the sentence appears to indicate the legal system regarded it as more than an honest mistake. But maybe that is just how the legal system works.
I remember thinking at the time there was surely more to come out, and then I forgot all about it.
Exclusive: Document sheds new light on episode that led to minister’s exit and guilty plea that friends say she regrets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows1 -
Exactly. Not so long ago.Andy_JS said:
Last time the Tories won Hampstead was 1987.TOPPING said:The first season of Traitors was as good, perhaps as important to telly, as the first season of Big Brother.
But after that it's pretty meh they kick out the smart poshos and then the formula kicks in and no one (ie me) can be bothered.
Let's not forget that Hampstead was a Cons seat not so very long ago before they got their luvvy in chief.0 -
The trouble is the growing inconsistency in public life. Tell off-colour jokes behind the scenes on Masterchef, bye bye career. Actually kick a woman in the head, become an honourable member.tlg86 said:
The Reform bloke who kicked his girlfriend. Talk of bringing in a law to stop people like him being allowed to be an MP. Feels dodgy to select on type of crime.Cookie said:
So the theft was made up? If that's true, that's a far bigger story than was painted at the time. Slightly surprising she's still an MP, tbh. I suppose you do your time and move on - but are there any other convicted criminals in parliament?TheScreamingEagles said:
Louise Haigh pleaded guilty to lying that phone was stolen, paper showsCookie said:
So was it her employer who pressed charges?TheScreamingEagles said:
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
The gap between her explanation - "it was an honest mistake" - and what I think we're supposed to read into this ( she reported a phone as stolen which wasn't? - there was no robbery in the first place? Multiple phones? ) seems very large indeed. And the sentence appears to indicate the legal system regarded it as more than an honest mistake. But maybe that is just how the legal system works.
I remember thinking at the time there was surely more to come out, and then I forgot all about it.
Exclusive: Document sheds new light on episode that led to minister’s exit and guilty plea that friends say she regrets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows0 -
What's the opposite of the Iron Lady? The Paper Man?
Starmer is the Paper Man.0 -
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You're sounding like a front line soldier in Elon's twitter army.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The trouble is the growing inconsistency in public life. Tell off-colour jokes behind the scenes on Masterchef, bye bye career. Actually kick a woman in the head, become an honourable member.tlg86 said:
The Reform bloke who kicked his girlfriend. Talk of bringing in a law to stop people like him being allowed to be an MP. Feels dodgy to select on type of crime.Cookie said:
So the theft was made up? If that's true, that's a far bigger story than was painted at the time. Slightly surprising she's still an MP, tbh. I suppose you do your time and move on - but are there any other convicted criminals in parliament?TheScreamingEagles said:
Louise Haigh pleaded guilty to lying that phone was stolen, paper showsCookie said:
So was it her employer who pressed charges?TheScreamingEagles said:
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
The gap between her explanation - "it was an honest mistake" - and what I think we're supposed to read into this ( she reported a phone as stolen which wasn't? - there was no robbery in the first place? Multiple phones? ) seems very large indeed. And the sentence appears to indicate the legal system regarded it as more than an honest mistake. But maybe that is just how the legal system works.
I remember thinking at the time there was surely more to come out, and then I forgot all about it.
Exclusive: Document sheds new light on episode that led to minister’s exit and guilty plea that friends say she regrets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows0 -
If people know and accept they are fictions?Andy_JS said:
Sometimes polite fictions are worth preserving.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
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Surprised she was slumming it making a go as an MP and junior minister with those family connections.JosiasJessop said:I read Tulip's wiki entry when the allegations first came out, and she really is an insider.
"As a child, she met Nelson Mandela, Bill Clinton and Mother Teresa, and her family was invited to the White House"
"Her maternal grandfather is Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the founding leader and first President of Bangladesh.[12] Her mother's elder sister, Sheikh Hasina, was Prime Minister of Bangladesh from 2009 until ousted in 2024."
"She has worked for Amnesty International, the Greater London Authority, at Philip Gould Associates, the political consultancy firm run by New Labour strategist Philip Gould, Save the Children, and Brunswick Group, where she worked on corporate social responsibility initiatives for major British manufacturers, as well as for MPs Oona King, Sadiq Khan and Harry Cohen. "
That may go to explain why there was not enough inquiry into her background.
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Ask yourself for whom the Bells toil. Different answer in each case.viewcode said:
I ca never get round the fact that Aaron Bell and Torsten Bell are different people.rottenborough said:Torsten Bell gets ministerial job.
One to watch PBers.0 -
Read my earlier post about the amazing coincidence of Starmer appointing both Bell twins in two days, and reconsider if he has not done Reeves up like a kipper. Sadly, there are no prices on Reeves going too.Casino_Royale said:What's the opposite of the Iron Lady? The Paper Man?
Starmer is the Paper Man.1 -
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astonishingly poor judgement on Starmer's part - he was alerted to problems with her by C4 News in 2017 & several if his constituents write to him as their MP complain. I'm afraid she will have to quit as an MP as well.0 -
Many decent people fought for the Confederacy, but as for the cause itself…?kinabalu said:
But they're so polite down there. Any good Christian will get a mint julep and a bed for the night if their car breaks down.JosiasJessop said:
And I bet a lot of those people would also quite like to go back to the 'status quo' that prevailed in the south at the time...Luckyguy1983 said:
Nevertheless, military bases being named after these people was quite acceptable to all sides of the political spectrum until the very recent past. So I don’t really see that it's particularly shocking and unconscionable for some Americans who liked it that way to want to go back to the previous status quo.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
Enjoy
When you start a war against your countrymen that costs 700,000 lives, you need a better casus belli than wanting to keep people as chattels.2 -
Another PPEist from the dump.rottenborough said:Is he the first of 2024 intake to make it??
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Cookie said:
So the theft was made up? If that's true, that's a far bigger story than was painted at the time. Slightly surprising she's still an MP, tbh. I suppose you do your time and move on - but are there any other convicted criminals in parliament?TheScreamingEagles said:
Louise Haigh pleaded guilty to lying that phone was stolen, paper showsCookie said:
So was it her employer who pressed charges?TheScreamingEagles said:
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
The gap between her explanation - "it was an honest mistake" - and what I think we're supposed to read into this ( she reported a phone as stolen which wasn't? - there was no robbery in the first place? Multiple phones? ) seems very large indeed. And the sentence appears to indicate the legal system regarded it as more than an honest mistake. But maybe that is just how the legal system works.
I remember thinking at the time there was surely more to come out, and then I forgot all about it.
Exclusive: Document sheds new light on episode that led to minister’s exit and guilty plea that friends say she regrets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows
Haigh’s friends say she now regrets the guilty plea
I'll bet she does.1 -
I'm no Confederate but it did irk me slightly that every statue of Lee and Jackson came down.Sean_F said:
Designed by Hugo Boss.glw said:
Next up new Army uniforms with very pointy hoods.Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
We all know the rebellion was predicated on maintaining an economic system founded on slavery but they are pivotal figures in American history and skilled generals.
We could certainly find worse our side. Cromwell, for a start.2 -
My college, sadly. We have SIX MPs currently (five Labour, one Tory).TheScreamingEagles said:
Another PPEist from the dump.rottenborough said:Is he the first of 2024 intake to make it??
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Lucy Rigby was appointed Solicitor General in December.TheScreamingEagles said:
Another PPEist from the dump.rottenborough said:Is he the first of 2024 intake to make it??
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should not be optionalDecrepiterJohnL said:
Easy to understand, hard to care unless you feel very strongly about Bangladeshi politics. But Tulip might resign, or not stand for reelection, because this will put the kybosh on any future advancement.Gardenwalker said:Will Tulip stand down as MP?
Seems doubtful. The “scandal” is too hard to understand, isn’t it?1 -
I think it is a safeguarding issue.tlg86 said:
The Reform bloke who kicked his girlfriend. Talk of bringing in a law to stop people like him being allowed to be an MP. Feels dodgy to select on type of crime.Cookie said:
So the theft was made up? If that's true, that's a far bigger story than was painted at the time. Slightly surprising she's still an MP, tbh. I suppose you do your time and move on - but are there any other convicted criminals in parliament?TheScreamingEagles said:
Louise Haigh pleaded guilty to lying that phone was stolen, paper showsCookie said:
So was it her employer who pressed charges?TheScreamingEagles said:
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
The gap between her explanation - "it was an honest mistake" - and what I think we're supposed to read into this ( she reported a phone as stolen which wasn't? - there was no robbery in the first place? Multiple phones? ) seems very large indeed. And the sentence appears to indicate the legal system regarded it as more than an honest mistake. But maybe that is just how the legal system works.
I remember thinking at the time there was surely more to come out, and then I forgot all about it.
Exclusive: Document sheds new light on episode that led to minister’s exit and guilty plea that friends say she regrets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows
If you were a female constituent or female member of staff at the Commons would you feel safe around him?
There's a reason why we allow people to find out if their partner has a record for domestic abuse.0 -
Yeah, I don't buy that.viewcode said:
They are racist because they fought for the Confederacy (a country based and built on slavery) and they were traitors because they fought for the armed forces of another country against the properly constituted armed forces, government and constitution of the United States of America.williamglenn said:
If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
If the rebellion had succeeded they be seen as secessionists or independence fighters, notwithstanding the slavery. Which I doubt would have lasted more than another 20 years anyway.
History is written by the victors.1 -
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Good old Dixie, they were plucky losers in an unfair fight.Casino_Royale said:
I'm no Confederate but it did irk me slightly that every statue of Lee and Jackson came down.Sean_F said:
Designed by Hugo Boss.glw said:
Next up new Army uniforms with very pointy hoods.Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
We all know the rebellion was predicated on maintaining an economic system founded on slavery but they are pivotal figures in American history and skilled generals.
We could certainly find worse our side. Cromwell, for a start.0 -
A lot of people come to regret accepting a police caution in return for no further action because they do not realise it comes with an implicit admission of guilt which can come back to haunt them. What Haigh's thought processes were, who's to say?kle4 said:Cookie said:
So the theft was made up? If that's true, that's a far bigger story than was painted at the time. Slightly surprising she's still an MP, tbh. I suppose you do your time and move on - but are there any other convicted criminals in parliament?TheScreamingEagles said:
Louise Haigh pleaded guilty to lying that phone was stolen, paper showsCookie said:
So was it her employer who pressed charges?TheScreamingEagles said:
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
The gap between her explanation - "it was an honest mistake" - and what I think we're supposed to read into this ( she reported a phone as stolen which wasn't? - there was no robbery in the first place? Multiple phones? ) seems very large indeed. And the sentence appears to indicate the legal system regarded it as more than an honest mistake. But maybe that is just how the legal system works.
I remember thinking at the time there was surely more to come out, and then I forgot all about it.
Exclusive: Document sheds new light on episode that led to minister’s exit and guilty plea that friends say she regrets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows
Haigh’s friends say she now regrets the guilty plea
I'll bet she does.0 -
He shits in the woods?williamglenn said:
It wasn't bigotry to question whether Biden might be influenced by the Pope's views. If not then in what sense is he a Catholic?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd save your energy, last William posted some nasty anti-Catholic bigotry towards Joe Biden, then feigned ignorance about the long history of anti-Catholic bigotry in America, particularly towards presidential candidates.Nigelb said:I didn't have william embracing Lost Cause propaganda on my January bingo card, but there you go.
Oh, wait a minute..0 -
always does when it’s something you find challenging. One day you may find a more original retort. Won’t hold my breath.Mexicanpete said:
Aaron Bastani you say? Even though Reeves is struggling and international economic headwinds are buffeting her all over the place Mandy Rice Davies still applies.williamglenn said:https://x.com/aaronbastani/status/1879213455720554884
If you get the chance I recommend watching Rachel Reeves in the Commons today.
She is awful. You can easily imagine her political brand collapsing in a matter of days if a genuine crisis emerges.
The Starmer government is so....flimsy!
She strikes me as way more insubstantial than Truss or Kwarteng.
It's like watching a Potemkin government. This person is in charge of the country's finances? Really?!
However Dan Hodges thought she was ace 👍0 -
The shame.tlg86 said:
My college, sadly. We have SIX MPs currently (five Labour, one Tory).TheScreamingEagles said:
Another PPEist from the dump.rottenborough said:Is he the first of 2024 intake to make it??
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And they will respond that it was all about States' rights.Sean_F said:
Many decent people fought for the Confederacy, but as for the cause itself…?kinabalu said:
But they're so polite down there. Any good Christian will get a mint julep and a bed for the night if their car breaks down.JosiasJessop said:
And I bet a lot of those people would also quite like to go back to the 'status quo' that prevailed in the south at the time...Luckyguy1983 said:
Nevertheless, military bases being named after these people was quite acceptable to all sides of the political spectrum until the very recent past. So I don’t really see that it's particularly shocking and unconscionable for some Americans who liked it that way to want to go back to the previous status quo.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
Enjoy
When you start a war against your countrymen that costs 700,000 lives, you need a better casus belli than wanting to keep people as chattels.0 -
At the time, attitudes to black people weren't much better in the North either. In fact, many weren't even bothered by slavery.Sean_F said:
Many decent people fought for the Confederacy, but as for the cause itself…?kinabalu said:
But they're so polite down there. Any good Christian will get a mint julep and a bed for the night if their car breaks down.JosiasJessop said:
And I bet a lot of those people would also quite like to go back to the 'status quo' that prevailed in the south at the time...Luckyguy1983 said:
Nevertheless, military bases being named after these people was quite acceptable to all sides of the political spectrum until the very recent past. So I don’t really see that it's particularly shocking and unconscionable for some Americans who liked it that way to want to go back to the previous status quo.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
Enjoy
When you start a war against your countrymen that costs 700,000 lives, you need a better casus belli than wanting to keep people as chattels.1 -
Many of the statues were not very historic, but were put up in the early 1900’s, and more in the Fifties and Sixties, to show the black population who was in charge.Casino_Royale said:
I'm no Confederate but it did irk me slightly that every statue of Lee and Jackson came down.Sean_F said:
Designed by Hugo Boss.glw said:
Next up new Army uniforms with very pointy hoods.Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
We all know the rebellion was predicated on maintaining an economic system founded on slavery but they are pivotal figures in American history and skilled generals.
We could certainly find worse our side. Cromwell, for a start.
The equivalent would have been putting up statues to Cromwell in areas with large Irish Catholic populations.0 -
I think a lot of people would think they would hold firm in such a situation where they are innocent - or it is not as clear cut as a police investigation might think - but when push comes to shove and you're sat opposite a copper telling you it can go to trial with X potential punishment, or you can move on with your life, a lot of people would cave.DecrepiterJohnL said:
A lot of people come to regret accepting a police caution in return for no further action because they do not realise it comes with an implicit admission of guilt which can come back to haunt them. What Haigh's thought processes were, who's to say?kle4 said:Cookie said:
So the theft was made up? If that's true, that's a far bigger story than was painted at the time. Slightly surprising she's still an MP, tbh. I suppose you do your time and move on - but are there any other convicted criminals in parliament?TheScreamingEagles said:
Louise Haigh pleaded guilty to lying that phone was stolen, paper showsCookie said:
So was it her employer who pressed charges?TheScreamingEagles said:
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
The gap between her explanation - "it was an honest mistake" - and what I think we're supposed to read into this ( she reported a phone as stolen which wasn't? - there was no robbery in the first place? Multiple phones? ) seems very large indeed. And the sentence appears to indicate the legal system regarded it as more than an honest mistake. But maybe that is just how the legal system works.
I remember thinking at the time there was surely more to come out, and then I forgot all about it.
Exclusive: Document sheds new light on episode that led to minister’s exit and guilty plea that friends say she regrets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows
Haigh’s friends say she now regrets the guilty plea
I'll bet she does.
Heck, in some other situations some people might plead guilty just to avoid spending any time in jail ahead of trial .
I have a nasty suspicion if I found myself in a police state/conquered nation situation I'd be a collaborator the instant I was put under any pressure.0 -
Should he be allowed to work ever again?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think it is a safeguarding issue.tlg86 said:
The Reform bloke who kicked his girlfriend. Talk of bringing in a law to stop people like him being allowed to be an MP. Feels dodgy to select on type of crime.Cookie said:
So the theft was made up? If that's true, that's a far bigger story than was painted at the time. Slightly surprising she's still an MP, tbh. I suppose you do your time and move on - but are there any other convicted criminals in parliament?TheScreamingEagles said:
Louise Haigh pleaded guilty to lying that phone was stolen, paper showsCookie said:
So was it her employer who pressed charges?TheScreamingEagles said:
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
The gap between her explanation - "it was an honest mistake" - and what I think we're supposed to read into this ( she reported a phone as stolen which wasn't? - there was no robbery in the first place? Multiple phones? ) seems very large indeed. And the sentence appears to indicate the legal system regarded it as more than an honest mistake. But maybe that is just how the legal system works.
I remember thinking at the time there was surely more to come out, and then I forgot all about it.
Exclusive: Document sheds new light on episode that led to minister’s exit and guilty plea that friends say she regrets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows
If you were a female constituent or female member of staff at the Commons would you feel safe around him?
There's a reason why we allow people to find out if their partner has a record for domestic abuse.0 -
Absolutely. A cut above the lobby fodder Kier and his chums dumped into safe seats.rottenborough said:Torsten Bell gets ministerial job.
One to watch PBers.0 -
Then that's trolling, and different.Sean_F said:
Many of the statues were not very historic, but were put up in the early 1900’s, and more in the Fifties and Sixties, to show the black population who was in charge.Casino_Royale said:
I'm no Confederate but it did irk me slightly that every statue of Lee and Jackson came down.Sean_F said:
Designed by Hugo Boss.glw said:
Next up new Army uniforms with very pointy hoods.Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
We all know the rebellion was predicated on maintaining an economic system founded on slavery but they are pivotal figures in American history and skilled generals.
We could certainly find worse our side. Cromwell, for a start.
The equivalent would have been putting up statues to Cromwell in areas with large Irish Catholic populations.
But pulling down the Robert E. Lee Monument put up in Richmond in 1890 by public subscription feels different.0 -
What happened to Sarah Sackman?eek said:
Lucy Rigby was appointed Solicitor General in December.TheScreamingEagles said:
Another PPEist from the dump.rottenborough said:Is he the first of 2024 intake to make it??
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Get a load of this, even for Trump this is bonkers.“For far too long, we have relied on taxing our Great People using the Internal Revenue Service (IRS),” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post.
“Through soft and pathetically weak Trade agreements, the American Economy has delivered growth and prosperity to the World, while taxing ourselves,” Trump wrote.
“It is time for that to change. I am today announcing that I will create the EXTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE to collect our Tariffs, Duties, and all Revenue that come from Foreign sources,” he wrote.
“We will begin charging those that make money off of us with Trade, and they will start paying, FINALLY, their fair share.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/14/trump-external-revenue-service-tariffs-.html1 -
The response would probably be should he get to be an MP, which maybe not, but there's a lots of other crimes people would feel the same way about, and so do you just prevent anyone with any offence standing as MP? As a mayor? As a councillor?tlg86 said:
Should he be allowed to work ever again?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think it is a safeguarding issue.tlg86 said:
The Reform bloke who kicked his girlfriend. Talk of bringing in a law to stop people like him being allowed to be an MP. Feels dodgy to select on type of crime.Cookie said:
So the theft was made up? If that's true, that's a far bigger story than was painted at the time. Slightly surprising she's still an MP, tbh. I suppose you do your time and move on - but are there any other convicted criminals in parliament?TheScreamingEagles said:
Louise Haigh pleaded guilty to lying that phone was stolen, paper showsCookie said:
So was it her employer who pressed charges?TheScreamingEagles said:
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
The gap between her explanation - "it was an honest mistake" - and what I think we're supposed to read into this ( she reported a phone as stolen which wasn't? - there was no robbery in the first place? Multiple phones? ) seems very large indeed. And the sentence appears to indicate the legal system regarded it as more than an honest mistake. But maybe that is just how the legal system works.
I remember thinking at the time there was surely more to come out, and then I forgot all about it.
Exclusive: Document sheds new light on episode that led to minister’s exit and guilty plea that friends say she regrets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows
If you were a female constituent or female member of staff at the Commons would you feel safe around him?
There's a reason why we allow people to find out if their partner has a record for domestic abuse.
Restrictions on Police and Crime Commissioners are, oddly, far more severe than seeking to become an MP.0 -
In a public facing job? Perhaps not.tlg86 said:
Should he be allowed to work ever again?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think it is a safeguarding issue.tlg86 said:
The Reform bloke who kicked his girlfriend. Talk of bringing in a law to stop people like him being allowed to be an MP. Feels dodgy to select on type of crime.Cookie said:
So the theft was made up? If that's true, that's a far bigger story than was painted at the time. Slightly surprising she's still an MP, tbh. I suppose you do your time and move on - but are there any other convicted criminals in parliament?TheScreamingEagles said:
Louise Haigh pleaded guilty to lying that phone was stolen, paper showsCookie said:
So was it her employer who pressed charges?TheScreamingEagles said:
From the stories at the time it appeared her employer realised the lost phones were still in possession with Ms Haigh.Cookie said:
So - without wanting to miss the story - what did Louise Haigh do? The story appears to be "reported a phone stolen - found it wasn't stolen." For which she pleaded guilty to fraud. Is the inference that there is more to this story? The facts as they are reported feel like they are missing some details to make it make sense.Cookie said:
Gosh yes. Forgotten about her already.Alanbrooke said:
Louise Haigh Transport SecretaryCookie said:
Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.Alanbrooke said:
The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.Leon said:
And actually I wonder about ReevesAlanbrooke said:
Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.Big_G_NorthWales said:
This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austeritykinabalu said:
Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.Leon said:
Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all goodkinabalu said:
I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.Leon said:
Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge againkinabalu said:
No chance.Alanbrooke said:
Reeves nextBig_G_NorthWales said:Tulip Siddiq resigns
Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth
I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM
Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
The gap between her explanation - "it was an honest mistake" - and what I think we're supposed to read into this ( she reported a phone as stolen which wasn't? - there was no robbery in the first place? Multiple phones? ) seems very large indeed. And the sentence appears to indicate the legal system regarded it as more than an honest mistake. But maybe that is just how the legal system works.
I remember thinking at the time there was surely more to come out, and then I forgot all about it.
Exclusive: Document sheds new light on episode that led to minister’s exit and guilty plea that friends say she regrets
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows
If you were a female constituent or female member of staff at the Commons would you feel safe around him?
There's a reason why we allow people to find out if their partner has a record for domestic abuse.
Private sector yes.0 -
I thought that as well but SKS says the door remains open. A weird thing to say in the circumstances. Her appointment as the anti-corruption Minister when she she has so much unexplained wealth from dubious sources was positively eccentric.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Easy to understand, hard to care unless you feel very strongly about Bangladeshi politics. But Tulip might resign, or not stand for reelection, because this will put the kybosh on any future advancement.Gardenwalker said:Will Tulip stand down as MP?
Seems doubtful. The “scandal” is too hard to understand, isn’t it?1 -
It does feel strange even if everything is above board and she is squeaky clean, to appoint the relative of an authoritarian leader to that particular position. Might well be harsh on her, but there have to be positions it would be slightly less embarrassing to be in when the accusations emerged.DavidL said:
I thought that as well but SKS says the door remains open. A weird thing to say in the circumstances. Her appointment as the anti-corruption Minister when she she has so much unexplained wealth from dubious sources was positively eccentric.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Easy to understand, hard to care unless you feel very strongly about Bangladeshi politics. But Tulip might resign, or not stand for reelection, because this will put the kybosh on any future advancement.Gardenwalker said:Will Tulip stand down as MP?
Seems doubtful. The “scandal” is too hard to understand, isn’t it?1 -
Makes me proud to be English given what our civil war was about.Sean_F said:
Many decent people fought for the Confederacy, but as for the cause itself…?kinabalu said:
But they're so polite down there. Any good Christian will get a mint julep and a bed for the night if their car breaks down.JosiasJessop said:
And I bet a lot of those people would also quite like to go back to the 'status quo' that prevailed in the south at the time...Luckyguy1983 said:
Nevertheless, military bases being named after these people was quite acceptable to all sides of the political spectrum until the very recent past. So I don’t really see that it's particularly shocking and unconscionable for some Americans who liked it that way to want to go back to the previous status quo.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
Enjoy
When you start a war against your countrymen that costs 700,000 lives, you need a better casus belli than wanting to keep people as chattels.
Democracy.0 -
The Confederacy banned at er… federal level, banning slavery. No state in the Confederacy could be anything other than a slave state.Casino_Royale said:
Yeah, I don't buy that.viewcode said:
They are racist because they fought for the Confederacy (a country based and built on slavery) and they were traitors because they fought for the armed forces of another country against the properly constituted armed forces, government and constitution of the United States of America.williamglenn said:
If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
If the rebellion had succeeded they be seen as secessionists or independence fighters, notwithstanding the slavery. Which I doubt would have lasted more than another 20 years anyway.
History is written by the victors.
Which would have made ending slavery pretty much impossible.0 -
A generous interpretation.TheScreamingEagles said:
Makes me proud to be English given what our civil war was about.Sean_F said:
Many decent people fought for the Confederacy, but as for the cause itself…?kinabalu said:
But they're so polite down there. Any good Christian will get a mint julep and a bed for the night if their car breaks down.JosiasJessop said:
And I bet a lot of those people would also quite like to go back to the 'status quo' that prevailed in the south at the time...Luckyguy1983 said:
Nevertheless, military bases being named after these people was quite acceptable to all sides of the political spectrum until the very recent past. So I don’t really see that it's particularly shocking and unconscionable for some Americans who liked it that way to want to go back to the previous status quo.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
Enjoy
When you start a war against your countrymen that costs 700,000 lives, you need a better casus belli than wanting to keep people as chattels.
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Except it wasn't really.TheScreamingEagles said:
Makes me proud to be English given what our civil war was about.Sean_F said:
Many decent people fought for the Confederacy, but as for the cause itself…?kinabalu said:
But they're so polite down there. Any good Christian will get a mint julep and a bed for the night if their car breaks down.JosiasJessop said:
And I bet a lot of those people would also quite like to go back to the 'status quo' that prevailed in the south at the time...Luckyguy1983 said:
Nevertheless, military bases being named after these people was quite acceptable to all sides of the political spectrum until the very recent past. So I don’t really see that it's particularly shocking and unconscionable for some Americans who liked it that way to want to go back to the previous status quo.viewcode said:
Hmm. They were traitors. I'm sure some people somewhere thought that they weren't, but traitors they were. Saying this is hardly "relitigation"williamglenn said:The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.
The New Orleans historian Andrew Rakich, who youtubes as "Atun-Shei", has an entertaining point-counterpoint ten-episode dramatisation on YouTube called "Checkmate, Lincolnites". It's thoroughly enjoyable and goes entertainingly non-linear by the last episode. The playlist is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZDxu0APt9g&list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0
Enjoy
When you start a war against your countrymen that costs 700,000 lives, you need a better casus belli than wanting to keep people as chattels.
Democracy.
It was about the rights of parliament that ended up getting hijacked by religious extremists.0 -
And losers often get romanticised.Casino_Royale said:
Yeah, I don't buy that.viewcode said:
They are racist because they fought for the Confederacy (a country based and built on slavery) and they were traitors because they fought for the armed forces of another country against the properly constituted armed forces, government and constitution of the United States of America.williamglenn said:
If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?Nigelb said:MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.
Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
If the rebellion had succeeded they be seen as secessionists or independence fighters, notwithstanding the slavery. Which I doubt would have lasted more than another 20 years anyway.
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It’s the 19th century Republican economic policy come back….glw said:Get a load of this, even for Trump this is bonkers.
“For far too long, we have relied on taxing our Great People using the Internal Revenue Service (IRS),” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post.
“Through soft and pathetically weak Trade agreements, the American Economy has delivered growth and prosperity to the World, while taxing ourselves,” Trump wrote.
“It is time for that to change. I am today announcing that I will create the EXTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE to collect our Tariffs, Duties, and all Revenue that come from Foreign sources,” he wrote.
“We will begin charging those that make money off of us with Trade, and they will start paying, FINALLY, their fair share.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/14/trump-external-revenue-service-tariffs-.html0
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