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The Tory party is the party for traitors – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,254
edited January 14 in General
The Tory party is the party for traitors – politicalbetting.com

Rather be a traitor or faithful? How you vote might tell us which… Today's @restisents discuss our @Moreincommon_ finding that if only Traitors viewers who'd want to be a faithful voted, Labour lead by 14. If only those who'd want to be a traitor voted the Tories lead by 12 pic.twitter.com/EoY3uC9tFJ

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  • Soz, I am busy, I will cover the YouGov and Scotland polls tomorrow when I’ve been able to look at them in more detail.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 101
    What about a faithful traitor?
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,671
    Far too posh a show according to the Voice of the working class, The Guardian.

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/jan/08/banishment-level-posh-why-is-the-traitors-so-middle-class
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,375
    Traitor = realist; faithful = fantasist.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,505
    Woke faithful wets vs enterprising traitor buccaneers, right?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,314

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    Here we go.

    A major high street lender has raised mortgage rates amid ongoing bond market chaos.

    Virgin Money increased the price of two and five-year deals by up to 0.2 percentage points on Wednesday as a government bond sell-off threatened to keep interest rates higher for longer.

    The bank’s 65pc and 75pc loan-to-value (LTV) purchase rates rose by 0.2pc, while its 85pc LTV five-year fixes were raised by 0.1pc.

    Inflationary pressures, in part due to Rachel Reeves’s tax-raising Budget, have spooked the bond market in the past week and raised the cost of government borrowing.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/mortgages/first-major-lender-raises-mortgage-rates-bond-turmoil/

    The Reeves Mortgage Penalty.

    Well done Rachel. The new Liz Truss.
    Unfair to blame Reeves completely.

    Rather, she seems to be left carrying the bag while Trump’s inflationary stance tests global risk appetite for sovereign bonds.

    The NYT today reports that “In Global Market Rout, Britain is the ‘Weakest Link’”.
    She chose to borrow an additional £150bn over 5 years, no one forced her to do that. She chose to push up the deficit rather than leave it falling as it was before the budget. If the previous government was still in power we wouldn't be seen as the weakest link at all. If anything gilts would be seen as a good bet because we'd be one of a few countries with falling indebtedness and a growing economy.
    I think actually she probably did need to borrow.

    The massive error here is a failure to spell out a coherent growth plan, having promised everyone it was Labour’s #1 policy.
    She's raised spending by something close to £55bn per year on average with only £25bn of it being funded by tax. She didn't need to do that at all, the entire £55bn is going to be wasted anyway without serious reforms and a massive productivity drive. It will all just get eaten up by pay rises and legal reviews on planning.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,980
    This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

    I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

    Men:

    Ref 30
    Lab 27
    Con 20
    LD 13
    Grn 6

    Women:

    Con 25
    Lab 25
    Ref 19
    LD 15
    Grn 10

    Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    Werewolf, open your eyes and choose your victim.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,976
    This is a fascinating finding!
    The Traitors is the best TV show of the last 20 years, IMHO. Or maybe second best after Succession.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,241

    This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

    I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

    Men:

    Ref 30
    Lab 27
    Con 20
    LD 13
    Grn 6

    Women:

    Con 25
    Lab 25
    Ref 19
    LD 15
    Grn 10

    Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

    It is one of the better offerings on TV of recent years.

    Worth catching up with. UK series 2 and Aussie series 1 the stand-outs so far.
  • Tulip Siddiq resigns
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906
    1970s MI5 seems to have indulged in comparably useless exercises in traitor discovery.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/14/actor-dirk-bogarde-was-disturbed-by-kgb-sting-warning-declassified-files-reveal
    ..With Bogarde ruled out as a candidate, MI5 agents scoured magazines including Variety for other actors who may have been in Moscow. Tommy Steele, Peter Arne, Michael Craig, Stanley Baxter and Bill Travers were all noted to have reportedly visited Moscow.

    The defector Kago had described the actor as “a young actor, a very nice man” and “nice looking”. That ruled out Bogarde’s co-star in Campbell’s Kingdom, James Robertson Justice, who had visited Moscow. “No one could call Justice ‘young’ – he was born in 1912 [sic]; or good looking – he wears a full beard,” read one memo...


    Makes you wonder how we won the Cold War.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145

    This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

    I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

    Men:

    Ref 30
    Lab 27
    Con 20
    LD 13
    Grn 6

    Women:

    Con 25
    Lab 25
    Ref 19
    LD 15
    Grn 10

    Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

    It is one of the better offerings on TV of recent years.

    Worth catching up with. UK series 2 and Aussie series 1 the stand-outs so far.
    I find that it’s great the first season you watch - whichever season you come across. But the idea gets tired very quickly
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,861
    Nigelb said:

    1970s MI5 seems to have indulged in comparably useless exercises in traitor discovery.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/14/actor-dirk-bogarde-was-disturbed-by-kgb-sting-warning-declassified-files-reveal
    ..With Bogarde ruled out as a candidate, MI5 agents scoured magazines including Variety for other actors who may have been in Moscow. Tommy Steele, Peter Arne, Michael Craig, Stanley Baxter and Bill Travers were all noted to have reportedly visited Moscow.

    The defector Kago had described the actor as “a young actor, a very nice man” and “nice looking”. That ruled out Bogarde’s co-star in Campbell’s Kingdom, James Robertson Justice, who had visited Moscow. “No one could call Justice ‘young’ – he was born in 1912 [sic]; or good looking – he wears a full beard,” read one memo...


    Makes you wonder how we won the Cold War.

    I don't think we did; the Soviet Union lost it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    Tulip’s in Amsterdam, having resigned from the Cabinet

    lol this is genuinely the shittiest government ever, isn’t it? Didn’t we once say Starmer was a “lucky general”? You don’t hear that any more
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,700

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    she took her time to fall on her sword, unprincipled charlatans
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    Sleazy Tulip wilts.
  • Leon said:

    Tulip’s in Amsterdam, having resigned from the Cabinet

    lol this is genuinely the shittiest government ever, isn’t it? Didn’t we once say Starmer was a “lucky general”? You don’t hear that any more

    https://news.sky.com/story/tulip-siddiq-resigns-as-treasury-minister-13287920
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    Before appointing Tulip Siddiq as Minister for Not Being At All Corrupt didn’t anyone in Labour think to check if she is actually a tiny bit, er, you know?

    Ditto Jess Philips and thingy

    And Rachel from Accounts who can’t actually do Accounts
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,700
    Leon said:

    This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

    I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

    Men:

    Ref 30
    Lab 27
    Con 20
    LD 13
    Grn 6

    Women:

    Con 25
    Lab 25
    Ref 19
    LD 15
    Grn 10

    Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

    It is one of the better offerings on TV of recent years.

    Worth catching up with. UK series 2 and Aussie series 1 the stand-outs so far.
    I find that it’s great the first season you watch - whichever season you come across. But the idea gets tired very quickly
    First 2 were great , season 3 is crap , dumped it after 2 episodes. Aussie one was total crap
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,713

    This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

    I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

    Men:

    Ref 30
    Lab 27
    Con 20
    LD 13
    Grn 6

    Women:

    Con 25
    Lab 25
    Ref 19
    LD 15
    Grn 10

    Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

    Again be cautious of subsamples, but Reform also led among working class voters, in the Midlands, and the South outside London.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,171

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,861
    Leon said:

    Tulip’s in Amsterdam, having resigned from the Cabinet

    lol this is genuinely the shittiest government ever, isn’t it? Didn’t we once say Starmer was a “lucky general”? You don’t hear that any more

    How quickly Boris Johnson is forgotten!

    If he reads this I'm sure he'd be hurt!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.

    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688
    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    You could be right theres always Lammy and Miliband and Cooper.

    Theyre hopeless too.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,223
    edited January 14
    Leon said:

    This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

    I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

    Men:

    Ref 30
    Lab 27
    Con 20
    LD 13
    Grn 6

    Women:

    Con 25
    Lab 25
    Ref 19
    LD 15
    Grn 10

    Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

    It is one of the better offerings on TV of recent years.

    Worth catching up with. UK series 2 and Aussie series 1 the stand-outs so far.
    I find that it’s great the first season you watch - whichever season you come across. But the idea gets tired very quickly
    Seems like a higher-budget reworking of The Mole to me.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.

    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    You forget yourself - kinabalu is an ex-accountant - show deference
  • On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

    To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

    However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906
    MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

    Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,258
    Much easier to play as a faithful.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Pre-empting even the Star's front page.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    edited January 14

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    You could be right theres always Lammy and Miliband and Cooper.

    Theyre hopeless too.
    It’s like all the Cabinet Ministers have titles which describe the opposite of what they do. So the Minister for Anti Corruption, tne Minister for Safeguarding Women turn out to be &c &c

    And David Lammy the Foreign Minister is actually the Minister for Giving Bits of Britain Away, to Foreigners. And we have to pay
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,171
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    Is she caught up in the Bangladesh money laundering investigation too ?

    Seems a stretch.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,333

    Sleazy Tulip wilts.

    Starmer's Awami Army!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617
    Sean_F said:

    This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

    I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

    Men:

    Ref 30
    Lab 27
    Con 20
    LD 13
    Grn 6

    Women:

    Con 25
    Lab 25
    Ref 19
    LD 15
    Grn 10

    Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

    Again be cautious of subsamples, but Reform also led among working class voters, in the Midlands, and the South outside London.
    You'd expect the vote to be broadly correlated with leave in the EU ref. Areas of weakness, London, Scotland, most Lib Dem seats.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.
    Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good
  • Inevitable that Siddiq goes and good riddance.

    Let's not forget how close she was to Starmer and how he supported her, there aren't many like that. We will see how much he gets dragged into this, but a clear case of lack of judgement in appointing her as anti-corruption minister.

    Will give Reeves a bit of a space.

    When will he have a good day?
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,375
    Leon said:

    This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

    I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

    Men:

    Ref 30
    Lab 27
    Con 20
    LD 13
    Grn 6

    Women:

    Con 25
    Lab 25
    Ref 19
    LD 15
    Grn 10

    Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

    It is one of the better offerings on TV of recent years.

    Worth catching up with. UK series 2 and Aussie series 1 the stand-outs so far.
    I find that it’s great the first season you watch - whichever season you come across. But the idea gets tired very quickly
    That's also true of every soap opera in captivity - never-ending intertwined narratives, each less credible than the one before. You can't beat a play or a feature film (or an opera or a novel) with a beginning, a middle and an end. That's how our emotions are programmed to respond, finally with calm of mind, all passions spent.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    edited January 14

    Leon said:

    This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

    I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

    Men:

    Ref 30
    Lab 27
    Con 20
    LD 13
    Grn 6

    Women:

    Con 25
    Lab 25
    Ref 19
    LD 15
    Grn 10

    Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

    It is one of the better offerings on TV of recent years.

    Worth catching up with. UK series 2 and Aussie series 1 the stand-outs so far.
    I find that it’s great the first season you watch - whichever season you come across. But the idea gets tired very quickly
    That's also true of every soap opera in captivity - never-ending intertwined narratives, each less credible than the one before. You can't beat a play or a feature film (or an opera or a novel) with a beginning, a middle and an end. That's how our emotions are programmed to respond, finally with calm of mind, all passions spent.
    Good endings are really hard to land, that’s why they are so rare in the narrative arts. It’s also why so many stories end on a version of a wedding and Happily Ever After. That’s known to work, and provide a satisfying emotional resolution, albeit a terrible cliche
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,852

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    As City Minister rather than as MP, presumably.

    A byelection in Hampstead and Highgate would be a near certain win for the LibDems, one would have thought.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    Cyclefree said:

    On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

    To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

    However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

    Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?

    This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?
    Not only that, they literally appointed her the “Anti Corruption Minister”

    Mind-boggling

    If I was a proper journalist, I’d be checking the social media of the Minister For Stopping The Raping Of Newts, to see if he spends a lot of time near ponds
  • Good job we got those trade deals with Australia etc for meat, rather than having to rely on importing risky EU meat:

    UK bans cattle, pigs and sheep imports from Germany after foot-and-mouth case

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g7zv87nywo
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,223
    rcs1000 said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    As City Minister rather than as MP, presumably.

    A byelection in Hampstead and Highgate would be a near certain win for the LibDems, one would have thought.

    From fourth place?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,766

    Inevitable that Siddiq goes and good riddance.

    Let's not forget how close she was to Starmer and how he supported her, there aren't many like that. We will see how much he gets dragged into this, but a clear case of lack of judgement in appointing her as anti-corruption minister.

    Will give Reeves a bit of a space.

    When will he have a good day?

    Hard to see Starmer dragged into a Bangladeshi corruption row. It is not as if he was bribed to appoint her (so far as we know!).
  • Cyclefree said:

    On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

    To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

    However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

    Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?

    This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?
    I cough and make a sound that sounds like ‘unexplained wealth order’.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,223
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

    To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

    However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

    Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?

    This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?
    Not only that, they literally appointed her the “Anti Corruption Minister”

    Mind-boggling

    If I was a proper journalist, I’d be checking the social media of the Minister For Stopping The Raping Of Newts, to see if he spends a lot of time near ponds
    Reminds me of Sir Humphrey and "Open Government" - get rid of the difficult bit in the title.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,241

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    This government can't even do a proper Tulip Mania....
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,908
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

    To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

    However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

    Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?

    This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?
    Not only that, they literally appointed her the “Anti Corruption Minister”

    Mind-boggling

    If I was a proper journalist, I’d be checking the social media of the Minister For Stopping The Raping Of Newts, to see if he spends a lot of time near ponds
    We often complain on here about ministers not having the suitable background to be on top of their brief. Set a thief... :lol:
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,368
    Suella on LBC going full HYUFD. She says RefCon are on 47% and for the next election they need to be doing a 2019 quid pro quo Cons don't stand in certain seats Ref don't stand in the other.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,171
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.
    Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good
    Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

    Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,171
    rcs1000 said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    As City Minister rather than as MP, presumably.

    A byelection in Hampstead and Highgate would be a near certain win for the LibDems, one would have thought.
    Least we're safe from Reform here. As if.
  • Cyclefree said:

    On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

    To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

    However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

    Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?

    This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?
    I don’t know - she’s not the only prospective / current MP to be given rent-free accommodation and apparently lack any curiosity about why they got it.

    However, it’s always been the case that money does it for Labour MPs and sex for the Conservatives MP.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,258
    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1879207357374161270

    Guido beating TSE to not very nice puns about a certain Labour politician.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,713
    Nigelb said:

    MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

    Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

    I would not be surprised if Hesgeth wanted them named after Dirlewanger, Stroop, Bach-Zelewski etc.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,375

    Cyclefree said:

    On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

    To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

    However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

    Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?

    This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?
    I cough and make a sound that sounds like ‘unexplained wealth order’.
    I could do with some unexplained wealth. How do I order it?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,171

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.

    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    You forget yourself - kinabalu is an ex-accountant - show deference
    I don't require deference. But, yes, it helps to have a grasp of numbers when commenting on financial matters.

    How's your numbers, Alan?
  • Pulpstar said:

    Werewolf, open your eyes and choose your victim.

    An illustration of how an informed minority can out-manoeuvre an uninformed majority.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.

    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    You forget yourself - kinabalu is an ex-accountant - show deference
    I don't require deference. But, yes, it helps to have a grasp of numbers when commenting on financial matters.

    How's your numbers, Alan?
    I had you down as more of a dadaist financier, the Luis Bunel of accounts.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,993
    Nigelb said:

    MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

    Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

    Next up new Army uniforms with very pointy hoods.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,171

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.

    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    You forget yourself - kinabalu is an ex-accountant - show deference
    I don't require deference. But, yes, it helps to have a grasp of numbers when commenting on financial matters.

    How's your numbers, Alan?
    I had you down as more of a dadaist financier, the Luis Bunel of accounts.
    No clue what you mean but that sounds good, I'll take it.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.

    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    You forget yourself - kinabalu is an ex-accountant - show deference
    I don't require deference. But, yes, it helps to have a grasp of numbers when commenting on financial matters.

    How's your numbers, Alan?
    I had you down as more of a dadaist financier, the Luis Bunel of accounts.
    No clue what you mean but that sounds good, I'll take it.
    My pleasure
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,713
    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

    Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

    Next up new Army uniforms with very pointy hoods.
    Designed by Hugo Boss.
  • kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.
    Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good
    Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

    Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
    This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,888
    I don't watch the show. Faithful versus traitors? Is it the obvious, or are there subtexts?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,810
    Nigelb said:

    MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

    Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

    If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.
    Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good
    Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

    Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
    This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity
    Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

    2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,258
    edited January 14

    I don't watch the show. Faithful versus traitors? Is it the obvious, or are there subtexts?

    My guess is, it's about personality types. Those who like to have more control over their destiny (traitors get to kill off the faithful), are more likely to vote Tory.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,365
    Unusual for the tulips to wilt before the daffs have even come into flower.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,707
    edited January 14

    Nigelb said:

    MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

    Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

    If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?
    They are racist because they fought for the Confederacy (a country based and built on slavery) and they were traitors because they fought for the armed forces of another country against the properly constituted armed forces, government and constitution of the United States of America.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.
    Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good
    Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

    Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
    This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity
    Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

    2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
    And actually I wonder about Reeves

    The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth

    I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM

    Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,171
    Nigelb said:

    MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

    Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

    Maga is not really about the economy, is it. That's just a way to discuss it comfortably.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,241
    Sean_F said:

    glw said:

    Nigelb said:

    MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

    Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

    Next up new Army uniforms with very pointy hoods.
    Designed by Hugo Boss.
    But who came up with white?

    Those scorch marks from the burning crosses are a bugger to get out.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,241
    Selebian said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

    To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

    However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

    Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?

    This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?
    Not only that, they literally appointed her the “Anti Corruption Minister”

    Mind-boggling

    If I was a proper journalist, I’d be checking the social media of the Minister For Stopping The Raping Of Newts, to see if he spends a lot of time near ponds
    We often complain on here about ministers not having the suitable background to be on top of their brief. Set a thief... :lol:
    Whereas Rachel just thinks an Exchequer is a piece no longer used to play chequers...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.
    Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good
    Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

    Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
    This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity
    Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

    2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
    And actually I wonder about Reeves

    The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth

    I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM

    Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
    The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.

    SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,810
    https://x.com/aaronbastani/status/1879213455720554884

    If you get the chance I recommend watching Rachel Reeves in the Commons today.

    She is awful. You can easily imagine her political brand collapsing in a matter of days if a genuine crisis emerges.

    The Starmer government is so....flimsy!

    She strikes me as way more insubstantial than Truss or Kwarteng.

    It's like watching a Potemkin government. This person is in charge of the country's finances? Really?!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906

    Nigelb said:

    MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

    Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

    If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?
    Your ignorance of US history is notable.
    If your questions were sincere rather than rhetorical, I might occasionally answer them.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,760

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.
    Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good
    Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

    Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
    This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity
    Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

    2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
    And actually I wonder about Reeves

    The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth

    I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM

    Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
    The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.

    SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
    SKS had terrible taste in friends
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,810
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

    Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

    If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?
    Your ignorance of US history is notable.
    If your questions were sincere rather than rhetorical, I might occasionally answer them.
    The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.

    You fought all the way, Johnny Reb, Johnny Reb
    You fought all the way, Johnny Reb

    Saw you a-marchin' with Robert E. Lee
    You held your head a-high, tryin' to win the victory
    You fought for your folks but you didn't die in vain
    Even though you lost, they speak highly of your name


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAbZ3I6-1lY
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,171
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.
    Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good
    Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

    Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
    This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity
    Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

    2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
    And actually I wonder about Reeves

    The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth

    I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM

    Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
    It's good to find wonder in the world. But as I say, let's keep at least a toe on the ground.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,894
    edited January 14
    So... no tulip in the spring.... she won't be the last resigation.....after 14 yrs out of office they won't be able to resist an easy buck.
    Is there a market for the next resignation?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,482

    Cyclefree said:

    On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

    To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

    However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

    Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?

    This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?
    I cough and make a sound that sounds like ‘unexplained wealth order’.
    Or even the Proceeds of Crime Act.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,980
    Cyclefree said:

    On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

    To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

    However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

    Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?

    This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?
    Most valuable tulip since the 17th century.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,852
    Driver said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    As City Minister rather than as MP, presumably.

    A byelection in Hampstead and Highgate would be a near certain win for the LibDems, one would have thought.

    From fourth place?
    There's barely a cigarette paper between 2nd and 4th, and the LibDems have (historically) had a pretty strong local government presence in the constituency.

    With Labour unpopular, the Conservatives moribund, the Greens having no meaningful byelection experience, and this hardly being fertile Reform territory, then yes I'd make the LibDems favorites, with the Greens being second most likely.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,368

    https://x.com/aaronbastani/status/1879213455720554884

    If you get the chance I recommend watching Rachel Reeves in the Commons today.

    She is awful. You can easily imagine her political brand collapsing in a matter of days if a genuine crisis emerges.

    The Starmer government is so....flimsy!

    She strikes me as way more insubstantial than Truss or Kwarteng.

    It's like watching a Potemkin government. This person is in charge of the country's finances? Really?!

    Aaron Bastani you say? Even though Reeves is struggling and international economic headwinds are buffeting her all over the place Mandy Rice Davies still applies.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,132
    "George Galloway
    @georgegalloway

    We will contest what seems like the inevitable by-election in Hampstead and Highgate"

    https://x.com/georgegalloway/status/1879202906760716574
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,894
    edited January 14
    Is there a list of Labour resignations since the Election.. she isn't the first methinks.
    Gray is another resignation though not an MP...
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,271

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.
    Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good
    Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

    Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
    This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity
    Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

    2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
    And actually I wonder about Reeves

    The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth

    I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM

    Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
    The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.

    SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
    Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,132
    rcs1000 said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    As City Minister rather than as MP, presumably.

    A byelection in Hampstead and Highgate would be a near certain win for the LibDems, one would have thought.
    More likely to be the Greens perhaps.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,346
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

    Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

    If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?
    Your ignorance of US history is notable.
    If your questions were sincere rather than rhetorical, I might occasionally answer them.
    It's now 160 years later.

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

    Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

    If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?
    Your ignorance of US history is notable.
    If your questions were sincere rather than rhetorical, I might occasionally answer them.
    The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.

    You fought all the way, Johnny Reb, Johnny Reb
    You fought all the way, Johnny Reb

    Saw you a-marchin' with Robert E. Lee
    You held your head a-high, tryin' to win the victory
    You fought for your folks but you didn't die in vain
    Even though you lost, they speak highly of your name


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAbZ3I6-1lY
    It's now 160 years later. When the bases were first named after rebel generals, the Civil War was within living memory and many of the black population of the US had started life as slaves. It might be time for the South to move on.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,145
    edited January 14

    https://x.com/aaronbastani/status/1879213455720554884

    If you get the chance I recommend watching Rachel Reeves in the Commons today.

    She is awful. You can easily imagine her political brand collapsing in a matter of days if a genuine crisis emerges.

    The Starmer government is so....flimsy!

    She strikes me as way more insubstantial than Truss or Kwarteng.

    It's like watching a Potemkin government. This person is in charge of the country's finances? Really?!

    Aaron Bastani you say? Even though Reeves is struggling and international economic headwinds are buffeting her all over the place Mandy Rice Davies still applies.
    Bastani has become an interesting and astute observer of UK politics. He’s come a long way from the old Novara Media

    He’s still on the left, for sure, but you can never be certain of his take - generally a positive sign - and he’s a very good Noticer of Things
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,906

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

    Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
    https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

    If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?
    Your ignorance of US history is notable.
    If your questions were sincere rather than rhetorical, I might occasionally answer them.
    The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.

    You fought all the way, Johnny Reb, Johnny Reb
    You fought all the way, Johnny Reb

    Saw you a-marchin' with Robert E. Lee
    You held your head a-high, tryin' to win the victory
    You fought for your folks but you didn't die in vain
    Even though you lost, they speak highly of your name


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAbZ3I6-1lY
    The only folk relitigating the civil war are those arguing that it wasn't a traitorous rebellion, in defence of slavery.

    Honourable like Benning ?

    What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession? This reason may be summed up in one single proposition. It was a conviction, a deep conviction on the part of Georgia, that a separation from the North was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery.... If things are allowed to go on as they are, it is certain that slavery is to be abolished. By the time the North shall have attained the power, the black race will be in a large majority, and then we will have black governors, black legislatures, black juries, black everything. Is it to be supposed that the white race will stand for that? It is not a supposable case.... War will break out everywhere like hidden fire from the earth, and it is probable that the white race, being superior in every respect, may push the other back.... We will be overpowered and our men will be compelled to wander like vagabonds all over the earth; and as for our women, the horrors of their state we cannot contemplate in imagination. That is the fate which abolition will bring upon the white race.... We will be completely exterminated, and the land will be left in the possession of the blacks, and then it will go back to a wilderness and become another Africa.... Suppose they elevated Charles Sumner to the presidency? Suppose they elevated Fred Douglass, your escaped slave, to the presidency? What would be your position in such an event? I say give me pestilence and famine sooner than that.

    — Henry Lewis Benning, Speech of Henry Benning to the Virginia Convention, February 18, 1861

    Fine examples of military leadership like Bragg ?

    Even Bragg's staunchest supporters admonished him for his quick temper, general irritability, and tendency to wound innocent men with barbs thrown during his frequent fits of anger. His reluctance to praise or flatter was exceeded, we are told, only by the tenacity with which, once formed, he clung to an adverse impression of a subordinate. For such officers—and they were many in the Army of Mississippi—Bragg's removal or their transfer were the only alternatives to an unbearable existence.

    Crap.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,258
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.
    Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good
    Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

    Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
    This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity
    Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

    2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
    And actually I wonder about Reeves

    The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth

    I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM

    Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
    The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.

    SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
    Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.
    See, that's what happens when you quit before a scandal turns into a saga.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,132
    "UK bans German meat and dairy products after foot-and-mouth case
    Import of pork, lamb and beef as well as live cattle, sheep and pigs suspended amid outbreak near Berlin"

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/14/uk-bans-german-pork-products-foot-and-mouth-outbreak-near-berlin
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,688
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tulip Siddiq resigns

    Reeves next
    No chance.
    Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again
    I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.
    Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good
    Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

    Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.
    This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity
    Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

    2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?
    And actually I wonder about Reeves

    The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth

    I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM

    Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial
    The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.

    SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.
    Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.
    Louise Haigh Transport Secretary

    https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=louise+haigh+theft&mid=4530BEFECCBD8BD7C3704530BEFECCBD8BD7C370&FORM=VIRE
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,888
    I read Tulip's wiki entry when the allegations first came out, and she really is an insider.

    "As a child, she met Nelson Mandela, Bill Clinton and Mother Teresa, and her family was invited to the White House"

    "Her maternal grandfather is Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the founding leader and first President of Bangladesh.[12] Her mother's elder sister, Sheikh Hasina, was Prime Minister of Bangladesh from 2009 until ousted in 2024."

    "She has worked for Amnesty International, the Greater London Authority, at Philip Gould Associates, the political consultancy firm run by New Labour strategist Philip Gould, Save the Children, and Brunswick Group, where she worked on corporate social responsibility initiatives for major British manufacturers, as well as for MPs Oona King, Sadiq Khan and Harry Cohen. "

    That may go to explain why there was not enough inquiry into her background.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,171
    Andy_JS said:

    "George Galloway
    @georgegalloway

    We will contest what seems like the inevitable by-election in Hampstead and Highgate"

    https://x.com/georgegalloway/status/1879202906760716574

    Oh god no. That's a compelling reason to not have one.
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