The Tory party is the party for traitors – politicalbetting.com

Soz, I am busy, I will cover the YouGov and Scotland polls tomorrow when I’ve been able to look at them in more detail.

Far too posh a show according to the Voice of the working class, The Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/jan/08/banishment-level-posh-why-is-the-traitors-so-middle-class

Woke faithful wets vs enterprising traitor buccaneers, right?

This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

Men:

Ref 30
Lab 27
Con 20
LD 13
Grn 6

Women:

Con 25
Lab 25
Ref 19
LD 15
Grn 10

Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

This is a fascinating finding!
The Traitors is the best TV show of the last 20 years, IMHO. Or maybe second best after Succession.

Tulip Siddiq resigns

MarqueeMark said:

david_herdson said:

This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

Men:

Ref 30
Lab 27
Con 20
LD 13
Grn 6

Women:

Con 25
Lab 25
Ref 19
LD 15
Grn 10

Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

It is one of the better offerings on TV of recent years.

Worth catching up with. UK series 2 and Aussie series 1 the stand-outs so far.

I find that it’s great the first season you watch - whichever season you come across. But the idea gets tired very quickly

Nigelb said:

1970s MI5 seems to have indulged in comparably useless exercises in traitor discovery.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/14/actor-dirk-bogarde-was-disturbed-by-kgb-sting-warning-declassified-files-reveal
..With Bogarde ruled out as a candidate, MI5 agents scoured magazines including Variety for other actors who may have been in Moscow. Tommy Steele, Peter Arne, Michael Craig, Stanley Baxter and Bill Travers were all noted to have reportedly visited Moscow.

The defector Kago had described the actor as “a young actor, a very nice man” and “nice looking”. That ruled out Bogarde’s co-star in Campbell’s Kingdom, James Robertson Justice, who had visited Moscow. “No one could call Justice ‘young’ – he was born in 1912 [sic]; or good looking – he wears a full beard,” read one memo...

Makes you wonder how we won the Cold War.

I don't think we did; the Soviet Union lost it.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

she took her time to fall on her sword, unprincipled charlatans

Leon said:

Tulip’s in Amsterdam, having resigned from the Cabinet

lol this is genuinely the shittiest government ever, isn’t it? Didn’t we once say Starmer was a “lucky general”? You don’t hear that any more

https://news.sky.com/story/tulip-siddiq-resigns-as-treasury-minister-13287920

Leon said:

MarqueeMark said:

david_herdson said:

This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

Men:

Ref 30
Lab 27
Con 20
LD 13
Grn 6

Women:

Con 25
Lab 25
Ref 19
LD 15
Grn 10

Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

It is one of the better offerings on TV of recent years.

Worth catching up with. UK series 2 and Aussie series 1 the stand-outs so far.

I find that it’s great the first season you watch - whichever season you come across. But the idea gets tired very quickly

First 2 were great , season 3 is crap , dumped it after 2 episodes. Aussie one was total crap

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

Reeves next

No chance.

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

Reeves next

No chance.

Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again

Leon said:

MarqueeMark said:

david_herdson said:

This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

Men:

Ref 30
Lab 27
Con 20
LD 13
Grn 6

Women:

Con 25
Lab 25
Ref 19
LD 15
Grn 10

Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

It is one of the better offerings on TV of recent years.

Worth catching up with. UK series 2 and Aussie series 1 the stand-outs so far.

I find that it’s great the first season you watch - whichever season you come across. But the idea gets tired very quickly

Seems like a higher-budget reworking of The Mole to me.

On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

Much easier to play as a faithful.

Alanbrooke said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

Reeves next

No chance.

You could be right theres always Lammy and Miliband and Cooper.

Theyre hopeless too.

It’s like all the Cabinet Ministers have titles which describe the opposite of what they do. So the Minister for Anti Corruption, tne Minister for Safeguarding Women turn out to be &c &c

And David Lammy the Foreign Minister is actually the Minister for Giving Bits of Britain Away, to Foreigners. And we have to pay

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

Reeves next

Is she caught up in the Bangladesh money laundering investigation too ?

Seems a stretch.

Sean_F said:

david_herdson said:

This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

Men:

Ref 30
Lab 27
Con 20
LD 13
Grn 6

Women:

Con 25
Lab 25
Ref 19
LD 15
Grn 10

Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

Again be cautious of subsamples, but Reform also led among working class voters, in the Midlands, and the South outside London.

You'd expect the vote to be broadly correlated with leave in the EU ref. Areas of weakness, London, Scotland, most Lib Dem seats.

Inevitable that Siddiq goes and good riddance.

Let's not forget how close she was to Starmer and how he supported her, there aren't many like that. We will see how much he gets dragged into this, but a clear case of lack of judgement in appointing her as anti-corruption minister.

Will give Reeves a bit of a space.

When will he have a good day?

Alphabet_Soup said:

Leon said:

MarqueeMark said:

david_herdson said:

This is a game show that has completely passed me by, so I'll not comment on the poll.

I did notice, however (because they posted the data), that the YouGov poll yesterday, when split by gender was:

Men:

Ref 30
Lab 27
Con 20
LD 13
Grn 6

Women:

Con 25
Lab 25
Ref 19
LD 15
Grn 10

Which is quite a striking difference (yes, sub-groups aren't weighted but the male/female groups are so large as a proportion of the whole that the lack of weighting shouldn't matter too much compared with smaller groups).

It is one of the better offerings on TV of recent years.

Worth catching up with. UK series 2 and Aussie series 1 the stand-outs so far.

I find that it’s great the first season you watch - whichever season you come across. But the idea gets tired very quickly

That's also true of every soap opera in captivity - never-ending intertwined narratives, each less credible than the one before. You can't beat a play or a feature film (or an opera or a novel) with a beginning, a middle and an end. That's how our emotions are programmed to respond, finally with calm of mind, all passions spent.

Good endings are really hard to land, that’s why they are so rare in the narrative arts. It’s also why so many stories end on a version of a wedding and Happily Ever After. That’s known to work, and provide a satisfying emotional resolution, albeit a terrible cliche

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

As City Minister rather than as MP, presumably.

A byelection in Hampstead and Highgate would be a near certain win for the LibDems, one would have thought.

Good job we got those trade deals with Australia etc for meat, rather than having to rely on importing risky EU meat:

UK bans cattle, pigs and sheep imports from Germany after foot-and-mouth case

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g7zv87nywo

CharlieShark said:

Inevitable that Siddiq goes and good riddance.

Let's not forget how close she was to Starmer and how he supported her, there aren't many like that. We will see how much he gets dragged into this, but a clear case of lack of judgement in appointing her as anti-corruption minister.

Will give Reeves a bit of a space.

When will he have a good day?

Hard to see Starmer dragged into a Bangladeshi corruption row. It is not as if he was bribed to appoint her (so far as we know!).

Leon said:

Cyclefree said:

Jim_the_Lurker said:

On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?

This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?

Not only that, they literally appointed her the “Anti Corruption Minister”

Mind-boggling

If I was a proper journalist, I’d be checking the social media of the Minister For Stopping The Raping Of Newts, to see if he spends a lot of time near ponds

Reminds me of Sir Humphrey and "Open Government" - get rid of the difficult bit in the title.

Leon said:

Cyclefree said:

Jim_the_Lurker said:

On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?

This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?

Not only that, they literally appointed her the “Anti Corruption Minister”

Mind-boggling

If I was a proper journalist, I’d be checking the social media of the Minister For Stopping The Raping Of Newts, to see if he spends a lot of time near ponds

We often complain on here about ministers not having the suitable background to be on top of their brief. Set a thief...

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

Reeves next

No chance.

Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again

I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.

Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good

Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.

Cyclefree said:

Jim_the_Lurker said:

On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?

This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?

I don’t know - she’s not the only prospective / current MP to be given rent-free accommodation and apparently lack any curiosity about why they got it.

However, it’s always been the case that money does it for Labour MPs and sex for the Conservatives MP.

Nigelb said:

MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

I would not be surprised if Hesgeth wanted them named after Dirlewanger, Stroop, Bach-Zelewski etc.

Alanbrooke said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

Reeves next

No chance.

Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again

You forget yourself - kinabalu is an ex-accountant - show deference

I don't require deference. But, yes, it helps to have a grasp of numbers when commenting on financial matters.

How's your numbers, Alan?

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

Reeves next

No chance.

Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again

You forget yourself - kinabalu is an ex-accountant - show deference

I don't require deference. But, yes, it helps to have a grasp of numbers when commenting on financial matters.

How's your numbers, Alan?

I had you down as more of a dadaist financier, the Luis Bunel of accounts.

Alanbrooke said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

Reeves next

No chance.

Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again

You forget yourself - kinabalu is an ex-accountant - show deference

I don't require deference. But, yes, it helps to have a grasp of numbers when commenting on financial matters.

How's your numbers, Alan?

I had you down as more of a dadaist financier, the Luis Bunel of accounts.

No clue what you mean but that sounds good, I'll take it.

glw said:

Nigelb said:

MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

Next up new Army uniforms with very pointy hoods.

Designed by Hugo Boss.

I don't watch the show. Faithful versus traitors? Is it the obvious, or are there subtexts?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

Reeves next

No chance.

Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again

I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.

Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good

Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.

This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity

Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?

Unusual for the tulips to wilt before the daffs have even come into flower.

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

Reeves next

No chance.

Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again

I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.

Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good

Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.

This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity

Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?

And actually I wonder about Reeves

The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth

I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM

Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial

Sean_F said:

glw said:

Nigelb said:

MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

Next up new Army uniforms with very pointy hoods.

Designed by Hugo Boss.

But who came up with white?

Those scorch marks from the burning crosses are a bugger to get out.

Leon said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

Reeves next

No chance.

Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again

I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.

Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good

Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.

This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity

Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?

And actually I wonder about Reeves

The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth

I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM

Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial

The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.

SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?

Your ignorance of US history is notable.
If your questions were sincere rather than rhetorical, I might occasionally answer them.

Leon said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

Reeves next

No chance.

Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again

I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.

Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good

Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.

This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity

Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?

And actually I wonder about Reeves

The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth

I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM

Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial

It's good to find wonder in the world. But as I say, let's keep at least a toe on the ground.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cyclefree said:

Jim_the_Lurker said:

On Siddiq - strike another one for Private Eye. I have often thought a gift subscription for the main parties and the civil service could nip a lot of nonsense in the bud.

To be honest I would be surprised if the two investigations in Bangladesh find much out - they seem a bit just going after the old regime and any relations (albeit the latest one does seem to drag her parents into the game).

However, the picture of her with Putin and the various free houses she’s enjoyed over the last few years would be published every time there is a story about it. And quite frankly Labour voters would have found that pretty distasteful.

Did it not occur to her - or anyone else - to wonder or ask where the money came from for the purchase of all these expensive Hampstead properties? And why they were being gifted to her and her sister?

This is basic basic stuff which anyone of sense should be asking. She may not have been corrupt herself but did she really think that she was being given an expensive property just because she had a pretty face?

I cough and make a sound that sounds like ‘unexplained wealth order’.

Or even the Proceeds of Crime Act.

Driver said:

rcs1000 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

As City Minister rather than as MP, presumably.

A byelection in Hampstead and Highgate would be a near certain win for the LibDems, one would have thought.

From fourth place?

There's barely a cigarette paper between 2nd and 4th, and the LibDems have (historically) had a pretty strong local government presence in the constituency.

With Labour unpopular, the Conservatives moribund, the Greens having no meaningful byelection experience, and this hardly being fertile Reform territory, then yes I'd make the LibDems favorites, with the Greens being second most likely.

"George Galloway
@georgegalloway

We will contest what seems like the inevitable by-election in Hampstead and Highgate"

https://x.com/georgegalloway/status/1879202906760716574

Alanbrooke said:

Leon said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Tulip Siddiq resigns

Reeves next

No chance.

Going well, isn’t it? Now the adults are in charge again

I just don't want people getting overexcited. You need to keep your wits about you when doing political punditry.

Just admit this is now a total shit show, and far worse than you envisaged, and we’re all good

Tulip is disappointing yes. Other than that, no not really. I'm a deep realist on growth, remember. I keep posting about it.

Anyway you agree about Reeves, don't you. She's safe as houses in her position. If you think otherwise there could be a bet to be had.

This resignation has absolutely no effect on Reeves, who will stand or fall depending on her actions and the market reactions over the coming months and of course her own backbenchers responses to her bringing back austerity

Yes, but the scent of blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

2 ministers lost in 6 months who's next ?

And actually I wonder about Reeves

The recent photos of her show her looking haggard and deeply stressed. And very out of her depth

I wonder if she might resign on some pretext? I can’t see Starmer dumping her as sacking or losing a COTE is usually terminal, in the end, for a PM

Regardless I’d say the chances of her departing Number 11 have gone from minuscule to small but non trivial

The next one to go will probably be for something unexpected.

SKS has lost one minister on a theft accusation and the next on a link to corruption. Pick your crime.

Who was the theft one? I thought Tulip was the first.

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?

Your ignorance of US history is notable.
If your questions were sincere rather than rhetorical, I might occasionally answer them.

It's now 160 years later.

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?

Your ignorance of US history is notable.
If your questions were sincere rather than rhetorical, I might occasionally answer them.

The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.

You fought all the way, Johnny Reb, Johnny Reb
You fought all the way, Johnny Reb

Saw you a-marchin' with Robert E. Lee
You held your head a-high, tryin' to win the victory
You fought for your folks but you didn't die in vain
Even though you lost, they speak highly of your name

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAbZ3I6-1lY

It's now 160 years later. When the bases were first named after rebel generals, the Civil War was within living memory and many of the black population of the US had started life as slaves. It might be time for the South to move on.

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

Nigelb said:

MAGA DEI means insisting that racist traitors be celebrated.

Pete Hegseth says US military bases should restore names of Confederate generals
https://x.com/KFILE/status/1878817312566108529

If they're "racist traitors", why were the bases named after them in the first place?

Your ignorance of US history is notable.
If your questions were sincere rather than rhetorical, I might occasionally answer them.

The point is that to relitigate the civil war is to destroy the consensus that prevailed until very recently that people who fought for the confederacy were honourable and not traitors.

You fought all the way, Johnny Reb, Johnny Reb
You fought all the way, Johnny Reb

Saw you a-marchin' with Robert E. Lee
You held your head a-high, tryin' to win the victory
You fought for your folks but you didn't die in vain
Even though you lost, they speak highly of your name

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAbZ3I6-1lY

The only folk relitigating the civil war are those arguing that it wasn't a traitorous rebellion, in defence of slavery.

Honourable like Benning ?

What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession? This reason may be summed up in one single proposition. It was a conviction, a deep conviction on the part of Georgia, that a separation from the North was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery.... If things are allowed to go on as they are, it is certain that slavery is to be abolished. By the time the North shall have attained the power, the black race will be in a large majority, and then we will have black governors, black legislatures, black juries, black everything. Is it to be supposed that the white race will stand for that? It is not a supposable case.... War will break out everywhere like hidden fire from the earth, and it is probable that the white race, being superior in every respect, may push the other back.... We will be overpowered and our men will be compelled to wander like vagabonds all over the earth; and as for our women, the horrors of their state we cannot contemplate in imagination. That is the fate which abolition will bring upon the white race.... We will be completely exterminated, and the land will be left in the possession of the blacks, and then it will go back to a wilderness and become another Africa.... Suppose they elevated Charles Sumner to the presidency? Suppose they elevated Fred Douglass, your escaped slave, to the presidency? What would be your position in such an event? I say give me pestilence and famine sooner than that.

— Henry Lewis Benning, Speech of Henry Benning to the Virginia Convention, February 18, 1861

Fine examples of military leadership like Bragg ?

Even Bragg's staunchest supporters admonished him for his quick temper, general irritability, and tendency to wound innocent men with barbs thrown during his frequent fits of anger. His reluctance to praise or flatter was exceeded, we are told, only by the tenacity with which, once formed, he clung to an adverse impression of a subordinate. For such officers—and they were many in the Army of Mississippi—Bragg's removal or their transfer were the only alternatives to an unbearable existence.

Crap.

"UK bans German meat and dairy products after foot-and-mouth case
Import of pork, lamb and beef as well as live cattle, sheep and pigs suspended amid outbreak near Berlin"

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/14/uk-bans-german-pork-products-foot-and-mouth-outbreak-near-berlin

I read Tulip's wiki entry when the allegations first came out, and she really is an insider.

"As a child, she met Nelson Mandela, Bill Clinton and Mother Teresa, and her family was invited to the White House"

"Her maternal grandfather is Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the founding leader and first President of Bangladesh.[12] Her mother's elder sister, Sheikh Hasina, was Prime Minister of Bangladesh from 2009 until ousted in 2024."

"She has worked for Amnesty International, the Greater London Authority, at Philip Gould Associates, the political consultancy firm run by New Labour strategist Philip Gould, Save the Children, and Brunswick Group, where she worked on corporate social responsibility initiatives for major British manufacturers, as well as for MPs Oona King, Sadiq Khan and Harry Cohen. "

That may go to explain why there was not enough inquiry into her background.