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  • Roger said:

    Did they threaten him if he didn't buy them?
    I have no idea and only saying what has been reported

    Best not to speculate on this case
  • The EU will make mincemeat of Starmer in these negotiations. He'll make Theresa May look like Margaret Thatcher.

    I bet they're already smacking their lips with glee, and can't bloody wait.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,695

    The EU will make mincemeat of Starmer in these negotiations. He'll make Theresa May look like Margaret Thatcher.

    I bet they're already smacking their lips with glee, and can't bloody wait.

    This evening’s vibe etc etc
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,843

    I have no idea and only saying what has been reported

    Best not to speculate on this case
    From the BBC story (information given by the legal authorities handling the case)

    Hotel employee EDP is suspected of having sold Liam Payne cocaine on 15 and 16 October

    Waiter BNP is also suspected of having sold cocaine to Liam Payne twice on 14 October

    Payne's friend RLN is suspected of manslaughter for allegedly "failing to fulfil his duties of care, assistance and help" towards the singer after having "abandoned him to his luck knowing that he was incapable of fending for himself and knowing that he [Payne] suffered from multiple addictions"

    Hotel Manager GAM is suspected of manslaughter for allegedly failing to stop Payne from being taken to his hotel room moments before his death. According to the court papers, given Payne's state, the room's balcony posed a "serious threat" and the manager should have ensured Payne was kept in a safe place until medical help arrived

    Chief receptionist ERG is also suspected of manslaughter for allegedly asking three people to "drag" Payne, who could not stand up, to his room, instead of keeping him safe.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,946
    edited December 2024
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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492
    TimS said:

    This evening’s vibe: “I don’t like the government, therefore I’ll predict that they’ll do something really bad and then feel pre-emptively and satisfyingly indignant about it.”
    I'm sticking to my contrarian take that Reeves' jobs tax is just what we need to reduce the level of immigration. We need to make it more expensive to employ people.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    TimS said:

    This evening’s vibe: “I don’t like the government, therefore I’ll predict that they’ll do something really bad and then feel pre-emptively and satisfyingly indignant about it.”
    We can judge them on past performance because they are already doing the same with the chagos negotiations. Waiting for a government to do something then criticising them for it is what we usually call locking the door after the horse has bolted.....make a fuss before they do it give them a heads up that it won't be popular
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,946
    TimS said:

    I got talking to a French neighbour yesterday (strictly speaking the new boyfriend - but he’s in his 60s - of our long standing neighbour Barbara).

    After we’d done commenting on the foggy weather, discussed their pregnant horse and I’d introduced my son to him, he mentioned that he’s in the middle of reading Boris Johnson’s book, in the French translation. Which is, he said, hilarious. “Johnson is a very talented writer”.

    Interesting that a random bourgeois in rural France should be picking up Boris Johnson memoirs in the local bookshop.
    Maybe it gains humour in translation. I haven't looked at Unleashed but I have attempted to read The Churchill Factor which I found to be unreadable nonsense.

    The writing style is hackneyed and the essence
    of the book was how Churchill in his finest moments channelled Johnson.
  • From the BBC story (information given by the legal authorities handling the case)

    Hotel employee EDP is suspected of having sold Liam Payne cocaine on 15 and 16 October

    Waiter BNP is also suspected of having sold cocaine to Liam Payne twice on 14 October

    Payne's friend RLN is suspected of manslaughter for allegedly "failing to fulfil his duties of care, assistance and help" towards the singer after having "abandoned him to his luck knowing that he was incapable of fending for himself and knowing that he [Payne] suffered from multiple addictions"

    Hotel Manager GAM is suspected of manslaughter for allegedly failing to stop Payne from being taken to his hotel room moments before his death. According to the court papers, given Payne's state, the room's balcony posed a "serious threat" and the manager should have ensured Payne was kept in a safe place until medical help arrived

    Chief receptionist ERG is also suspected of manslaughter for allegedly asking three people to "drag" Payne, who could not stand up, to his room, instead of keeping him safe.
    Yes and best not to speculate on the case
  • Sean_F said:

    Astrology, perhaps?
    Bunk, NOT science!
  • Foxy said:

    Not the only one.

    In the West Midlands alone 183 Ambulances are waiting outside hospitals, over 100 have been there more than an hour. 18 are en route.to somewhere.

    Glad I'm not working until Thursday...

    Does any other european country have this annual nightmare of A&E chaos and ambulance crisis?

    Happy to be corrected, but I dont think they do.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    Dame Emily Thornberry:

    “She added that, on telling the drag queen Ella Vaday that she was going to be a dame, her friend, who was then appearing in a pantomime, replied: "Oh fantastic, and where are you on?"

    https://bsky.app/profile/ashcowburn.bsky.social/post/3lekln2rldc2e

    Well, it made me laugh...
  • I wouldn't go that far
    Well, it's all relative. But while Man Utd are genuine relegation contenders now - second-bottom in the 6-game form guide and worryingly close (from their point of view) to the relegation zone after half a season - Man City already have 31 points: two more wins and that's probably enough to stay up by itself.
  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1ln96d4yyeo

    Lots of excellence on that list.. Southgate for services to winning and Khan for London nightlife no doubt..🥴🧐

  • ‪The Guardian‬ ‪@theguardian.com‬

    Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers



    ‪Timothy Snyder‬ ‪@timothysnyder.bsky.social‬

    Not unusual for a press spokesman to repeat the government line.

    https://bsky.app/profile/timothysnyder.bsky.social/post/3lekgu2do4c2k
  • Foxy said:

    Dame Emily Thornberry:

    “She added that, on telling the drag queen Ella Vaday that she was going to be a dame, her friend, who was then appearing in a pantomime, replied: "Oh fantastic, and where are you on?"

    https://bsky.app/profile/ashcowburn.bsky.social/post/3lekln2rldc2e

    Well, it made me laugh...

    Services to the England flag?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492


    ‪The Guardian‬ ‪@theguardian.com‬

    Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers


    ‪Timothy Snyder‬ ‪@timothysnyder.bsky.social‬

    Not unusual for a press spokesman to repeat the government line.

    https://bsky.app/profile/timothysnyder.bsky.social/post/3lekgu2do4c2k

    Snyder‬ has spent years telling everyone that Trump is Hitler. Is he admitting that this was always nonsense?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,135

    Yes, it's possible that a post Putin Russia surprises on the upside. But, I'm not especially hopeful of that based on the evidence before us, rather than wishful thinking. He's killed every possible moderate contender, and opposition there is none outside Moscow and St Petersburg - which Western media is hopelessly bias in focusing upon.

    I suppose someone new could emerge who's wise and strong enough to lead Russia into a brave new age. But I'd assess that as a 15% shot.
    A new Russian leader would have a strategic decision to make. They could either accept becoming a satrap of China, or they could make tentative steps towards friendship with the West.

    The advantage of choosing China would be a completely free hand with internal affairs. No questions about human rights, press freedom and the rule of [contract] law. The advantage of an orientation towards the West would be a respect for sovereign Russian independence.

    It would be in the West's interests to help a post-Putin Russian leader to turn away from China, which would have to involve not insisting on Russian reparations to rebuild Ukraine, for example.

    But we're rather getting ahead of ourselves. Russia hasn't lost yet.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,204
    edited December 2024
    Foxy said:

    It sounds like the plot of a fairly narrow terraced house. Obviously cheaper to do the whole terrace and split it.
    3.5m is a lot less than "fairly narrow". If you are putting conventional walls on it, what you have left inside is essentially the width of a single garage.

    It can be useful, but is really constrained, so really difficult and you have to be really creative. And it depends on use - AirBNB? Weekend cottage? Garden guest annexe? Or home?

    On 3.5m x 10m two story, you get 2.9m x 9.4m inside (following my 30cm wall thickness). If the dimensions are inside, it helps.

    But of the interior space, you lose 6-9sqm of your floor area for the staircase. Thta is something like 15-17% of the floor area, if it is done to minimum conventional area. If you go pigeon-toed, then the upstairs is limited for declared use in some ways.

    We need more info, and I'd actually advise @viewcode to pop over to Buildhub and start his own thread there, and there are people who have done really low cost builds. It will also help with clarifying the concept.

    Here are a couple that show what is possible, but both single storey and around 2018. They aren't a two storey as @viewcode is asking, but on a site like that it really needs creativity.

    A hut at Carbeth built for iirc about 10-15k. The first entry at the bottom is a photo diary:
    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/blogs/blog/10-tennentslager/

    A Wee Hoose on Skye built by a Crofter to use as a holiday let for a supplementary income. It's a blog so read from the bottom entry, This one is amazing quality.
    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/blogs/blog/8-wee-hoose-on-the-croft/

    My photo quota of the Wee Hoose:


  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432
    Roger said:

    OT A bit crazy to blame hotel staff because Liam Payne took drugs.

    Ridiculous in fact. Is there anywhere where people are responsible for themselves?

    Bit different if they sold the drugs or were complicit in the sales.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,432
    Roger said:

    Did they threaten him if he didn't buy them?
    Selling illegal drugs is kinda illegal.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,878
    Luke Littler into deciding set.
    Monster upset possible....
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,204
    MattW said:

    3.5m is a lot less than "fairly narrow". If you are putting conventional walls on it, what you have left inside is essentially the width of a single garage.

    It can be useful, but is really constrained, so really difficult and you have to be really creative. And it depends on use - AirBNB? Weekend cottage? Garden guest annexe? Or home?

    On 3.5m x 10m two story, you get 2.9m x 9.4m inside (following my 30cm wall thickness). If the dimensions are inside, it helps.

    But of the interior space, you lose 6-9sqm of your floor area for the staircase. Thta is something like 15-17% of the floor area, if it is done to minimum conventional area. If you go pigeon-toed, then the upstairs is limited for declared use in some ways.

    We need more info, and I'd actually advise @viewcode to pop over to Buildhub and start his own thread there, and there are people who have done really low cost builds. It will also help with clarifying the concept.

    Here are a couple that show what is possible, but both single storey and around 2018. They aren't a two storey as @viewcode is asking, but on a site like that it really needs creativity.

    A hut at Carbeth built for iirc about 10-15k. The first entry at the bottom is a photo diary:
    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/blogs/blog/10-tennentslager/

    A Wee Hoose on Skye built by a Crofter to use as a holiday let for a supplementary income. It's a blog so read from the bottom entry, This one is amazing quality.
    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/blogs/blog/8-wee-hoose-on-the-croft/

    My photo quota of the Wee Hoose:


    PS Here's a letting listing with more photos.
    https://www.agoda.com/en-in/curlew-cottage/hotel/eyre-gb.html?ds=vbOTR41xOYzIVmgD
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3weye2j0e7o

    US Treasury says it was hacked by China in 'major incident'

    ---

    "The compromised third-party service - called BeyondTrust - has since been taken offline, officials said."

    ---

    Is that like 'BeyondLife' or 'BeyondTheVeryThingYouWerePaidFor'? 🤔
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,541
    ohnotnow said:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3weye2j0e7o

    US Treasury says it was hacked by China in 'major incident'

    ---

    "The compromised third-party service - called BeyondTrust - has since been taken offline, officials said."

    ---

    Is that like 'BeyondLife' or 'BeyondTheVeryThingYouWerePaidFor'? 🤔

    BeyondAJoke
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564
    MattW said:

    PS Here's a letting listing with more photos.
    https://www.agoda.com/en-in/curlew-cottage/hotel/eyre-gb.html?ds=vbOTR41xOYzIVmgD
    The UI of that website make it look like a 2.5 star place (it looks lovely to me, just bad UI) :


  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564

    Selling illegal drugs is kinda illegal.
    You've clearly been paying the wrong Senators.
  • Bunk, NOT science!
    You've missed the point of the story which is that the learned societies are pretending to go along with the woke-finding not by changing the science but by merely tacking on a history module which will name a lot of exotic foreign types who invented things first, but who won't be on the test. Bose, Raman and so on, as well as Einstein and the Solvay massive. They won't be changing pi or anything.
    https://connect.iisc.ac.in/2024/12/a-century-of-quantum-mechanics/
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,204
    ohnotnow said:

    The UI of that website make it look like a 2.5 star place (it looks lovely to me, just bad UI) :


    Yes - I got that by a reverse image search; I think he was respecting the Buildhub non-commercial policy and did not want to promote.

    Here is the Facebook page:
    https://www.facebook.com/upperedinbane/?locale=en_GB

    And here are the 49 Booking.com reviews averaging 9.6/10:
    https://www.booking.com/reviews/gb/hotel/curlew-cottage-portree.en-gb.html
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,204
    ohnotnow said:

    You've clearly been paying the wrong Senators.
    I thought Senators *bought* drugs ...
  • To pick up an analogy somebody pointed to earlier, Amorim's Manchester United faces a similar dilemma to Starmer's government. Both are dealing with 14 years of neglect and mismanagement, and people who expect them to turn it around in a few short weeks are barking. As with Starmer, let's do an assessment in a couple of years' time.
    Both Amorim and Starmer are leaving leftie activists on the bench?
  • I just learnt that in Carter's election win of 1976 there was a faithless electoral college voter in Washington who went for Reagan.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,843
    ohnotnow said:

    You've clearly been paying the wrong Senators.
    Silly boy.

    You pay the right Senators, and your drugs are legal.

    They return the favour by keeping your competition illegal.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564

    Is there such a thing as "non-Western-centric" science?
    Boy oh boy. Having spent way more time in Arts-faculty Academic zoom calls than I'd like this year - then very much "yes". Vague stuff about a god star that lines up with another god star once in a while? Relevant science! Not just "let's see if there's anything of interest here". 100% of pure science.

    I began to wish for the simpler days when a dull man in nicely ironed trousers could just performatively take the knee then pretend he gave a damn in return for some votes.
  • Sporting dogs that have not yet barked or been bought by Americans, part 94.

    Rory's punting misfortunes are rumoured to have left many, many well-connected "investors" out of pocket. More fool them, perhaps, for not knowing that gambling is, well, gambling. But if this shines an unwelcome light on irregular Far East betting markets, there might be problems for the FA's blind eye on Brentford and Brighton whose owners are best known for dabbling themselves.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,564
    MattW said:

    Yes - I got that by a reverse image search; I think he was respecting the Buildhub non-commercial policy and did not want to promote.

    Here is the Facebook page:
    https://www.facebook.com/upperedinbane/?locale=en_GB

    And here are the 49 Booking.com reviews averaging 9.6/10:
    https://www.booking.com/reviews/gb/hotel/curlew-cottage-portree.en-gb.html
    Oh! That looks even more lovely! I shall pass on to some friends!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,848
    edited December 2024
    On-topic (finally) the Racing Post thinks Afghanistan are overpriced and might even win.
  • You've missed the point of the story which is that the learned societies are pretending to go along with the woke-finding not by changing the science but by merely tacking on a history module which will name a lot of exotic foreign types who invented things first, but who won't be on the test. Bose, Raman and so on, as well as Einstein and the Solvay massive. They won't be changing pi or anything.
    https://connect.iisc.ac.in/2024/12/a-century-of-quantum-mechanics/
    Aren't they doing science?

  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,204
    ohnotnow said:

    Oh! That looks even more lovely! I shall pass on to some friends!
    They are great people. It's 43sqm, which is as big as my first house (detached).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492
    ohnotnow said:

    Boy oh boy. Having spent way more time in Arts-faculty Academic zoom calls than I'd like this year - then very much "yes". Vague stuff about a god star that lines up with another god star once in a while? Relevant science! Not just "let's see if there's anything of interest here". 100% of pure science.

    I began to wish for the simpler days when a dull man in nicely ironed trousers could just performatively take the knee then pretend he gave a damn in return for some votes.
    "Trust the science" unless it perpetuates the Western patriarchy in which case you should elevate other ways of knowing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,843

    Aren't they doing science?

    Of course, the reality fun kind of science, would be where you could create your own value for PI.

    With a big enough bang, you could start your own pocket universe. Hire a couple of good Quantum Mechanics* and you could customised the new universe as it comes into existence.

    *Always loved the idea that would be a job in the future.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,843

    "Trust the science" unless it perpetuates the Western patriarchy in which case you should elevate other ways of knowing.
    Elevate their thinking?

    {quickly looks at the VX rocket collection}
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,204
    MattW said:

    They are great people. It's 43sqm, which is as big as my first house (detached).
    He's a fellow moderator at Buildhub.
  • Aren't they doing science?

    They are cynically decolonising the history of science as cover for leaving the actual science alone.
  • Former England football manager Gareth Southgate and actor Stephen Fry have both been knighted in a New Year Honours list that also recognises the stars of the Olympic Games.

    800m champion Keely Hodgkinson, who receives an MBE, is one of several medallists to be honoured following the summer games in Paris.

    Mayor of London Sadiq Khan and former West Midlands mayor Andy Street are also awarded knighthoods, while Labour MP Emily Thornberry is made a dame.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1ln96d4yyeo
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,905

    Is there such a thing as "non-Western-centric" science?
    Well the global centre of gravity has shifted quite a bit with China’s development, but I doubt that’s what the nutty article about a nutty idea meant.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1ln96d4yyeo

    Lots of excellence on that list.. Southgate for services to winning and Khan for London nightlife no doubt..🥴🧐

    The only one you need to know - Tom Baker MBE, for services to television.
  • Host of Britain’s Olympians and Paralympians snubbed in New Year Honours List
    Paris heroes miss out on recognition in noticeable tightening of criteria for the awarding of gongs to mark sporting success

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2024/12/30/keir-starmer-snubs-olympians-and-paralympians-honours-list/ (£££)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,905

    Snyder‬ has spent years telling everyone that Trump is Hitler. Is he admitting that this was always nonsense?
    Did he ? Cite please.
    I thought he spent years saying Trump was a danger to democracy. The idea that he might have handed government over to Musk (which is pretty clearly a bit of trolling anyway) isn’t exactly inconsistent with that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,492
    Nigelb said:

    Did he ? Cite please.
    I thought he spent years saying Trump was a danger to democracy. The idea that he might have handed government over to Musk (which is pretty clearly a bit of trolling anyway) isn’t exactly inconsistent with that.
    For example:

    https://snyder.substack.com/p/trumps-hitlerian-month

    Now, the Hitlerian things that Trump says would be Hitlerian with or without this Hitlerian context of the last four years, the last year, or the last month. And this context would be Hitlerian with or without Trump's recent Hitlerian utterances.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,813

    The EU will make mincemeat of Starmer in these negotiations. He'll make Theresa May look like Margaret Thatcher.

    I bet they're already smacking their lips with glee, and can't bloody wait.

    So what? It's just continuing the same deal Johnson already signed us up to.
  • The only one you need to know - Tom Baker MBE, for services to television.
    The greatest doctor only gets an MBE.

    Jeez...
  • Public sector could swap pay rises for lower pensions
    Surveys show half of younger teachers would be interested in the trade-off under a model designed to ease staffing problems without raising overall cost to taxpayer

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/public-sector-could-swap-pay-rises-for-lower-pensions-nc5c372zx (£££)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,843

    The greatest doctor only gets an MBE.

    Jeez...
    GCMG at least.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,905

    For example:

    https://snyder.substack.com/p/trumps-hitlerian-month

    Now, the Hitlerian things that Trump says would be Hitlerian with or without this Hitlerian context of the last four years, the last year, or the last month. And this context would be Hitlerian with or without Trump's recent Hitlerian utterances.
    Fair enough.
    The conclusion he draws from the evidence cited there are quite possibly overdone.
    But we won’t really know that until we see how he (or his administration) governs.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,541
    FF43 said:

    So what? It's just continuing the same deal Johnson already signed us up to.
    No. If we decline to sign, Johnson's deal continues. It's just an opportunity to review. We should take the opportunity, if a mutually beneficial agreement can be signed - but we don't have to.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,905
    This is a great paper.
    Thoughts ?

    The Unbearable Slowness of Being: Why do we live at 10 bits/s?
    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2408.10234
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Andy_JS said:

    Happy New Year's Eve.

    Happy NYE everyone!

    Off to work, desparately hoping that I can get everything done by lunchtime.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 739
    On subject of building costs, most large projects go overbudget and overcost because when they are first designed and costed, the owners say that is too expensive (too slow), you need to sharpen your pencil.... so the conservative estimates are revised, the contingencies are removed, the risks ignored until the owner is satisfied that it meets his expectations. Then once construction starts the estimates prove to be optimistic, the contingencies needed and risks actualised. And something you didnt plan for also happens.

    It happens on almost every major project I have worked on. But I still get paid very well for my advice to be ignored.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,384
    Nearly evening all from Aotearoa :)

    Just over six hours from 2025 - Kiribati will get there an hour ahead of us. They are 25 hours ahead of American Samoa where it is still late Monday afternoon.

    The Kiwis had a comfortable win in the cricket last night. Of the last 11 ODI matches played at Tauranga, the side batting first has won 10. The Sri Lankans won both tosses and decided to bowl on both occasions.
  • Penddu2 said:

    On subject of building costs, most large projects go overbudget and overcost because when they are first designed and costed, the owners say that is too expensive (too slow), you need to sharpen your pencil.... so the conservative estimates are revised, the contingencies are removed, the risks ignored until the owner is satisfied that it meets his expectations. Then once construction starts the estimates prove to be optimistic, the contingencies needed and risks actualised. And something you didnt plan for also happens.

    It happens on almost every major project I have worked on. But I still get paid very well for my advice to be ignored.

    Worked for a large infrastructure firm. When starting a new site the sequence was

    Portakabin
    Utilities

    Kettle
    Computer

    The latter was to record variations from contract to charge later.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,332

    Starmer will concede it in the first 30 seconds.
    That was the sticking point on the student exchange discussion, so actually I think it is a Starmer red line too. It will be very difficult to break the deadlock. On the otherhand with Iceland about to vote on starting the EU accession process there are other fishing grounds that could open up in the next five years which could help the EU-UK discussion.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,200

    Former England football manager Gareth Southgate and actor Stephen Fry have both been knighted in a New Year Honours list that also recognises the stars of the Olympic Games.

    800m champion Keely Hodgkinson, who receives an MBE, is one of several medallists to be honoured following the summer games in Paris.

    Mayor of London Sadiq Khan and former West Midlands mayor Andy Street are also awarded knighthoods, while Labour MP Emily Thornberry is made a dame.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1ln96d4yyeo

    More importantly Tom Baker has been given an MBE.

    Unlike many recipients this is utterly deserved.

    https://x.com/doctorwhonews/status/1873873846480363763?s=61
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    To be fair, with a couple of exceptions for politicians (looking at you, Sadiq Khan) it’s a pretty good honours list this year.

    I always look at the Olympians, who train bloody hard for years for what’s mostly amateur sport and don’t usually end up with life-changing amounts of money - and the long list of unknown names, those who have done a meaningful but low-paid or voluntary job for years in their local communities. I have known a few of that latter group over the years, and every one of them has been very well deserved.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Funny of the day: one American cruise line is offering a four-year cruise leaving next month, covering 425 ports in 160 countries. A bargain at $320,000 for a two-berth cabin, for anyone who really doesn’t want to be in the US until January 2029!

    https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cruise-company-offers-skip-forward-four-year-voyage-getaway-trumps-second-presidency-1728486

    https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1873928359425581215
  • Taz said:

    More importantly Tom Baker has been given an MBE.

    Unlike many recipients this is utterly deserved.

    https://x.com/doctorwhonews/status/1873873846480363763?s=61
    There are two odd things (so far) about the New Year Honours list. First, why has Sadiq Khan been knighted when Ken and Boris were not? Of course it is likely they'd have turned it down if offered but it still looks odd to knight one Mayor of London but not his predecessors.

    Second, why only some of the Olympians and Paralympians? Sure, the Tories complained Tony Blair was dishing them out too easily to sportspeople, but these choices just look arbitrary at best, unfair or discriminatory at worst. It's an avoidable banana skin.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Link to full New Year Honours lists - including a searchable CSV file, perhaps we should nominate whoever does data releases at the Cabinet Office!

    https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/the-new-year-honours-2025

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/676a8befbe7b2c675de30a0f/NEW_YEAR_HONOURS_LIST_2025.csv
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Martin Brundle OBE, another well-deserved one for a lifetime achievement.

    https://x.com/skysportsf1/status/1873890515814670655.
  • Sandpit said:

    Link to full New Year Honours lists - including a searchable CSV file, perhaps we should nominate whoever does data releases at the Cabinet Office!

    https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/the-new-year-honours-2025

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/676a8befbe7b2c675de30a0f/NEW_YEAR_HONOURS_LIST_2025.csv

    It has been like this for years, to be fair.
  • Good morning, everyone.
    Sandpit said:

    Martin Brundle OBE, another well-deserved one for a lifetime achievement.

    https://x.com/skysportsf1/status/1873890515814670655.

    It's nice to have one sensible chap in the commentary box.

    Also, the third Undercutters podcast, looking back at top 10 moments of 2024, is up here: https://undercutters.podbean.com/e/f1-2024-top-10-memorable-moments/


    Planning 3-4 preview type episodes but given there's a couple of months ahead they'll be roughly fortnightly before the season starts.
  • Actually I might make the pre-weekend episodes predictions (NB not the same as tips as a prediction might have bloody awful odds).
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,233
    What a load of bollocks the honours are. My mother put my dad's CMG on the collar of her Épagneul Breton, where it remained in an increasingly battered state until Sven passed over the bifrost bridge. It was then buried with him (dog not father).
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771

    It has been like this for years, to be fair.
    It's a total stitch-up. 37 mentions of "Oxford" and only 2 of "Cambridge".
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,116
    Dura_Ace said:

    What a load of bollocks the honours are. My mother put my dad's CMG on the collar of her Épagneul Breton, where it remained in an increasingly battered state until Sven passed over the bifrost bridge. It was then buried with him (dog not father).

    A rather predictable comment from PB's very own negasayer.

    Don't most countries have something similar? The US has the Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal, as examples. Germany has the Order of Merit (apparently given out to 262,000 individuals). AIUI France has a whole series of them.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    What a load of bollocks the honours are. My mother put my dad's CMG on the collar of her Épagneul Breton, where it remained in an increasingly battered state until Sven passed over the bifrost bridge. It was then buried with him (dog not father).

    I've read somewhere that FOI details of Boris's reasoning for Charlotte Owens House of Lords nomination will be released mid January. No doubt the Mail / Express / Telegraph will go full on front page on that - won't be holding breath.

    Also some X noise around a massive news alert on Farage (career ending some have commented) - it may just be a left retort to the Starmer bullcrap stories that eminated about 2 months ago about his sexuality but which quickly vanished - typical X since Musk too over. Suggestions of links to very unsavoury Film Directors and Media moguls relatives...probably just flim and flam!

    Maybe though it's the long awaited oft hidden but probably very credible "Russian Report" about Putin funding of Reform and Tories.

    Although if i was Labour I'd be waiting for late April to splash that bombshell!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,613
    Sadiq Khan rewarded for failure, apparently.

    So what about Andy Street?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,200

    I've read somewhere that FOI details of Boris's reasoning for Charlotte Owens House of Lords nomination will be released mid January. No doubt the Mail / Express / Telegraph will go full on front page on that - won't be holding breath.

    Also some X noise around a massive news alert on Farage (career ending some have commented) - it may just be a left retort to the Starmer bullcrap stories that eminated about 2 months ago about his sexuality but which quickly vanished - typical X since Musk too over. Suggestions of links to very unsavoury Film Directors and Media moguls relatives...probably just flim and flam!

    Maybe though it's the long awaited oft hidden but probably very credible "Russian Report" about Putin funding of Reform and Tories.

    Although if i was Labour I'd be waiting for late April to splash that bombshell!
    Exciting stuff. Can’t wait to read it all. Most credible.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222
    Sandpit said:

    Funny of the day: one American cruise line is offering a four-year cruise leaving next month, covering 425 ports in 160 countries. A bargain at $320,000 for a two-berth cabin, for anyone who really doesn’t want to be in the US until January 2029!

    https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cruise-company-offers-skip-forward-four-year-voyage-getaway-trumps-second-presidency-1728486

    https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1873928359425581215

    That's a fast way to tick off 160 countries. Anybody told Leon?

    Leaves year five to tick off the land-locked states like Mongolia and Chad.
  • I've seen worse NY honours lists.

    One of my neighbours has got a CBE.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,233

    I've seen worse NY honours lists.

    One of my neighbours has got a CBE.

    My old comrade "Jumbo" Jenkins got a KCB as a consolation prize for getting cockblocked from the National Security Advisor made-up non-job by Starmer. I assume he was a bit too war-crime adjacent for SKS.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,374

    "Trust the science" unless it perpetuates the Western patriarchy in which case you should elevate other ways of knowing.
    It’s the populist right who are more anti science: denying climate change, doubting vaccines and (in the US) banning any research on gun violence.
  • I've read somewhere that FOI details of Boris's reasoning for Charlotte Owens House of Lords nomination will be released mid January. No doubt the Mail / Express / Telegraph will go full on front page on that - won't be holding breath.

    Also some X noise around a massive news alert on Farage (career ending some have commented) - it may just be a left retort to the Starmer bullcrap stories that eminated about 2 months ago about his sexuality but which quickly vanished - typical X since Musk too over. Suggestions of links to very unsavoury Film Directors and Media moguls relatives...probably just flim and flam!

    Maybe though it's the long awaited oft hidden but probably very credible "Russian Report" about Putin funding of Reform and Tories.

    Although if i was Labour I'd be waiting for late April to splash that bombshell!
    Boris and Charlotte Owen: note that it is Boris's justification to HOLAC that will be made known, not his reasons for nominating her in the first place, so there will be lots about her public service and nothing about her shapely ankles.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,828
    Battlebus said:

    Worked for a large infrastructure firm. When starting a new site the sequence was

    Portakabin
    Utilities

    Kettle
    Computer

    The latter was to record variations from contract to charge later.
    Might this lead to teabags/milk/sugar causing a massive drain on 'contingencies'? Shouldn't they be right at the top? No wonder we find HS2 hard going.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,843
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    Taz said:

    More importantly Tom Baker has been given an MBE.

    Unlike many recipients this is utterly deserved.

    https://x.com/doctorwhonews/status/1873873846480363763?s=61
    Was mentioned last night.

    Should have been a GCMG - Gallifrey Calls Me God
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,233

    Boris and Charlotte Owen: note that it is Boris's justification to HOLAC that will be made known, not his reasons for nominating her in the first place, so there will be lots about her public service and nothing about her shapely ankles.
    He's just got her a job at some murky charity/think tank/whatever-the-fuck with which he's entangled.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,848
    edited December 2024
    Dura_Ace said:

    He's just got her a job at some murky charity/think tank/whatever-the-fuck with which he's entangled.
    My guess is there is nothing to see here, and her ladyship is just Boris's latest workhorse come fixer, or the one who does all the work Boris is nominally committed to, the replacement for Lord Lister, a calmer Dominic Cummings.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,976
    edited December 2024

    Sadiq Khan rewarded for failure, apparently.

    So what about Andy Street?

    Re-elected and successfully pushed through flagship policy in face of widespread criminality and actual bombings.

    Arise Sir Sadiq.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,233



    My guess is there is nothing to see here, and her ladyship is just Boris's latest workhorse come fixer, or the one who does all the work Boris is nominally committed to, the replacement for Lord Lister, a calmer Dominic Cummings.

    That would certainly be a sagacious guess, much supported by the evidence of Johnson's track record with women.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,994
    Khan and Fry. Two cheeks af the same arse. Both full of their own importance.
    In Fry's case he is v clever but unpleasant.
    After being honoured by the MCC he slagged off then institution. Nice

    Khan has done nothing to warrant anything but derision.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,728
    edited December 2024

    A rather predictable comment from PB's very own negasayer.

    Don't most countries have something similar? The US has the Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal, as examples. Germany has the Order of Merit (apparently given out to 262,000 individuals). AIUI France has a whole series of them.
    Of course most countries have them. They are, after all, a nationalist carrot. That doesn't stop them being bollocks though.

    Edit: I'm actually ambivalent about them being bollocks; it's just that the fact that most countries have them doesn't stop them being bollocks.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,613

    I've seen worse NY honours lists.

    One of my neighbours has got a CBE.

    If that means you live next door to Alan Titchmarsh, commiserations.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,905
    edited December 2024
    If Europe were to allow allow Russia to defeat Ukraine, it would be facing a much more capable military adversary than is now the case.

    Ukrainian intelligence reports that it was able to shoot down a Russian helicopter with a naval drone for the first time in history
    https://x.com/den_kazansky/status/1873993934340591658

    Repurposed R73 air to air missile, reportedly.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,613
    They'll be putting the flags out to celebrate Emily Thornberry's damehood.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222

    They'll be putting the flags out to celebrate Emily Thornberry's damehood.

    Some of these awards are surely just done for the shitz 'n gigglez?
  • Eabhal said:

    Re-elected and successfully pushed through flagship policy in face of widespread criminality and actual bombings.

    Arise Sir Sadiq.
    Plus
    Vision zero
    Free school meals for primary school children
    Fare freeze
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,130
    edited December 2024

    A rather predictable comment from PB's very own negasayer.

    Don't most countries have something similar? The US has the Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal, as examples. Germany has the Order of Merit (apparently given out to 262,000 individuals). AIUI France has a whole series of them.
    I don’t think many award systems extol the days of dabbling in imperial exploitation of far away places on behalf of the mother country.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,222

    If that means you live next door to Alan Titchmarsh, commiserations.
    If Titchmarsh were to form the Garden Party, he'd romp into Downing Street.
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