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Every BJESUS
17.6.14 LAB 330 CON 263 LD 33 UKIP 0 Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
24.6.14 LAB 330 CON 263 LD 33 UKIP 0 Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
1.7.14 LAB 329(330) CON 268 (263) LD 29(33) UKIP 0(0) Others 24(24) (Ed is crap is PM)
8.7.14 LAB 330 (329) CON 264(268) LD 32(29) UKIP 0(0) Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
15.7.14 LAB 329 (330) CON 264(264) LD 33(32) UKIP 0(0) Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
22.7.14 LAB 331 (329) CON 261(264) LD 34(33) UKIP 0(0) Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
29.7.14 LAB 332 (331) CON 260(261) LD 34(34) UKIP 0(0) Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
5.8.14 LAB 330(332) CON 262(260) LD 34(34 UKIP0(0) Others 24 (Ed is Crap is PM)
12.8.14 LAB 332 (330) CON 260(262) LD 34(34) UKIP 0(0) Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
18.8.14 LAB 331(332) CON 261(260) LD 34(34) UKIP0(0) Others 24 Ed is crap is PM
26.8.14 LAB 333(331) CON 259(261)LD(34)UKIP 0(0) Others 24 Ed is crap is PM
2.9.14 LAB331(333) CON261(259) LD24(34) Others24 (24) Ed is crap is PM
9.9.14 LAB332(331) CON260(261) LD34(34) Others24 (24) Ed is crap is PM
16.9.14 LAB 331(332) CON 262(260) LD 33(34) UKIP0(0) Others 24 Ed is crap is PM
23.9.14 LAB 334 (331) CON 260(262) LD 32(33) UKIP 0(0) Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
30.9.14 LAB 334 (334) CON 260(260) LD 32(32) UKIP 0(0) Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
7.10.14 LAB 325 (334) CON 269(260) LD 31(32) UKIP 1(0) Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
14.10.14 LAB 328 (325) CON 264(269) LD 33(31) UKIP 1(1) Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
21.10.14 LAB 327 (328) CON 265(264) LD 33(33) UKIP 1(1) Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
28.10.14 LAB 322 (327) CON 269(265) LD 33(33) UKIP 2(1) Others 24 (Ed is crap is PM)
4.11.14 LAB 320 (322) CON 268(269) LD 31(33) UKIP 2(2) Others 29 (Ed is crap is PM)
11.11.14 LAB 320 (320) CON 268(268) LD 31(31) UKIP 2(2) Others 29 (Ed is crap is PM)
18.11.14 LAB 319 (320) CON 268(268) LD 31(31) UKIP 2(2) Others 30(29) (Ed is crap is PM)
25.11.14 LAB 319 (319) CON 267(268) LD 31(31) UKIP 2(2) Others 31(30) (Ed is crap is PM)
2.12.14 LAB 320 (319) CON 267(267) LD 31(31) UKIP 1(2) Others 31(31) (Ed is crap is PM)
9.12.14 LAB 319 (320) CON 267(267) LD 31(31) UKIP 1(1) Others 32(31) (Ed is crap is PM)
16.12.14 LAB 318 (319) CON 267(267) LD 31(31) UKIP 1(1) Others 33(32) (Ed is crap is PM)
23.12.14 LAB 320 (318) CON 263(267) LD 31(31) UKIP 1(1) Others 35(33) (Ed is crap is PM)
5.1.15 LAB 322 (320) CON 259(263) LD 32(31) UKIP 1(1) Others 36(35) (Ed is crap is PM)
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Yeh but, has BJESUS got Brokeback Mountain derivitives like my Lambert and Butler model?bigjohnowls said:Tomorrows BJESUS
5.1.15 LAB 322 (320) CON 259(263) LD 32(31) UKIP 1(1) Others 36(35) (Ed is crap is PM)
Last BJESUS in brackets Last weeks BJESUS in brackets
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Not very good at spotting sarcasm are you?compouter2 said:
True kle4,that would be Ed the Crap who's party has been in front for most of the polling that has taken place since he has been leader of the party who is going against two of the biggest political master genius in UK history, Dave and Gideon who have been ...err.....behind Ed the Crap for most of the polling that has taken place since Ed the Crap has been leader.....strange world, eh.kle4 said:
No, you see, when people actually see Ed M in the final 4 weeks, suddenly Labour's lead will evaporate even further and the Tories will surge (both are required for a Tory win, let us not forget) because...because...because he's crap. Yeah, that's it. Enough to hang all the hopes of a campaign on, right?compouter2 said:Earth to swingback.....come in swingback!
The Tories will be pulling away in the polls after the budget.....err in August....err after the Autumn Statement....err in November.....err in January.....err...
TIC TOC TIC TOC! - 121 days and counting.
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?day=7&month=5&msg=UK+General+Election&p0=0&year=20150 -
The England Tax could do to Labour in England what the Poll Tax did for the Tories in Scotland. This is madness from Labour. The likes of Cruddas and Field - and the other Labour MPs in working-class constituencies - must be holding their heads.0
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1. It's a puzzle. Fewer people seem to want majority governments with the "Big Two" yet when they had the chance to vote for AV over FPTP they over-overwhelmingly wanted to keep the system that only really works with a duopoly. Who can explain this paradox?
2. Ed's problem is that he sounds like sixth form smart arse nitpicking over the minutia of policy. People tune out.
3. Ed couldn't "enthuse" ...
4. Boy George Strikes Again
5. Dream on.
6. I'm surprised the parties waste their money on posters to be honest. Would be better investing in mail drops and "viral" internet ad's.
7. Left, right, center. It's all nonsense. The REAL way to tap into the electorate in these anti-politics times is to be an "outsider" trying to tear up consensuses. That makes it hard for the sitting government, but the best Prime Ministers are at their best when they appear to be "above the fray". Maggie often appeared to be as did Tony.
8. I'd like an autumn election just to see what it's like to be voting in October.
9. How many years will Labour be out of power for from 2020 if they decide to rule over England with the SNP? On the plus side, Miliband and Salmond would be a marriage made in hell so that would be fun.
10. POWER, UNLIMITED POWEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...........
11. Tories4PR has a certain ring to it.
12. Are will STILL discussing Scotland?
13. Politicians are the lowest of the low.
14. Might well be his last New Year as Prime Minister. Good on him for chillaxing.
15. 12 years on and I still love Finding Nemo.
16. Amazing!
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@jimmurphymp: We will fund #1000Nurses using money Scotland gets from mansion tax across UK. 95% will be levied in South East of UK"0
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It's gone viral. Just seen people come running out from the local pub screaming it from the top of their voices.Stark_Dawning said:
Incredible. News of the England Tax has actually gone mainstream. And a few hours ago we speculating on here that it was just an implausible SNP spoof. Ed needs to stamp on this pronto or he'll lose England as well as Scotland.Scott_P said:And again...
@politicshome: Tuesday's Telegraph front page - Labour tax on 'wealthy English' to fund Scots nurses http://t.co/RDMke2GhA50 -
@BBCNewsnight: Gove: Alistair Darling affecting to be careful steward of nation when he was really a libertine posing as advocate of celibacy #newsnight0
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Apparently Jim Murphy was just on telly and used the 'funding Scottish nurses with taxes on the English' line. SLab are dead. I honestly might add to my 0-5 seats position and may take a stand against Murphy in Renfrewshire East.0
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Ditto!nigel4england said:
Not very good at spotting sarcasm are you?compouter2 said:
True kle4,that would be Ed the Crap who's party has been in front for most of the polling that has taken place since he has been leader of the party who is going against two of the biggest political master genius in UK history, Dave and Gideon who have been ...err.....behind Ed the Crap for most of the polling that has taken place since Ed the Crap has been leader.....strange world, eh.kle4 said:
No, you see, when people actually see Ed M in the final 4 weeks, suddenly Labour's lead will evaporate even further and the Tories will surge (both are required for a Tory win, let us not forget) because...because...because he's crap. Yeah, that's it. Enough to hang all the hopes of a campaign on, right?compouter2 said:Earth to swingback.....come in swingback!
The Tories will be pulling away in the polls after the budget.....err in August....err after the Autumn Statement....err in November.....err in January.....err...
TIC TOC TIC TOC! - 121 days and counting.
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?day=7&month=5&msg=UK+General+Election&p0=0&year=20150 -
Hmm, I've got two forum bets and I can't remember the details of either. One was with Audrey, £10 on her prediction that the Tories would lead by - what was it, 8%? The other with ??? about Salmond winning, at long odds.
Can my betting partners remind me?0 -
Do you think it's a good policy?compouter2 said:
It's gone viral. Just seen people come running out from the local pub screaming it from the top of their voices.Stark_Dawning said:
Incredible. News of the England Tax has actually gone mainstream. And a few hours ago we speculating on here that it was just an implausible SNP spoof. Ed needs to stamp on this pronto or he'll lose England as well as Scotland.Scott_P said:And again...
@politicshome: Tuesday's Telegraph front page - Labour tax on 'wealthy English' to fund Scots nurses http://t.co/RDMke2GhA50 -
What, did I miss it. Was it another Gideon dead cat bounce. I will let Basil know. He's still wandering around with those bloody goalposts.john_zims said:@compouter2
'come in swingback!'
When we have it you disappear for days.
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You'd expect a clanger like that to be dropped during the campaign, but not on day bloody one, and Murphy's meant to be one of the smarter Labour politicians.HYUFD said:@jimmurphymp: We will fund #1000Nurses using money Scotland gets from mansion tax across UK. 95% will be levied in South East of UK"
It doesn't matter what the nuance of the issue is, it's going to be translated by the press into "higher taxes in England to prop up Labour's fading support in Scotland".
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Fantastic, election winner, all bets off.nigel4england said:
Do you think it's a good policy?compouter2 said:
It's gone viral. Just seen people come running out from the local pub screaming it from the top of their voices.Stark_Dawning said:
Incredible. News of the England Tax has actually gone mainstream. And a few hours ago we speculating on here that it was just an implausible SNP spoof. Ed needs to stamp on this pronto or he'll lose England as well as Scotland.Scott_P said:And again...
@politicshome: Tuesday's Telegraph front page - Labour tax on 'wealthy English' to fund Scots nurses http://t.co/RDMke2GhA5
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Mansion Tax will fund extra nurses in England Scotland and Wales.HYUFD said:@jimmurphymp: We will fund #1000Nurses using money Scotland gets from mansion tax across UK. 95% will be levied in South East of UK"
Excellent policy
What bit of the rich paying their share dont PB Tories get?0 -
AV is any duopoly's dream. The parties were the stupid ones, in not backing it.GIN1138 said:1. It's a puzzle. Fewer people seem to want majority governments with the "Big Two" yet when they had the chance to vote for AV over FPTP they over-overwhelmingly wanted to keep the system that only really works with a duopoly. Who can explain this paradox?
When the wheels finally fall off FPTP, all that remains as an option is PR...0 -
Come on, I saw that - they were screaming with laughter.compouter2 said:
It's gone viral. Just seen people come running out from the local pub screaming it from the top of their voices.Stark_Dawning said:
Incredible. News of the England Tax has actually gone mainstream. And a few hours ago we speculating on here that it was just an implausible SNP spoof. Ed needs to stamp on this pronto or he'll lose England as well as Scotland.Scott_P said:And again...
@politicshome: Tuesday's Telegraph front page - Labour tax on 'wealthy English' to fund Scots nurses http://t.co/RDMke2GhA50 -
Why, did someone mention swingback?Flightpath said:
Come on, I saw that - they were screaming with laughter.compouter2 said:
It's gone viral. Just seen people come running out from the local pub screaming it from the top of their voices.Stark_Dawning said:
Incredible. News of the England Tax has actually gone mainstream. And a few hours ago we speculating on here that it was just an implausible SNP spoof. Ed needs to stamp on this pronto or he'll lose England as well as Scotland.Scott_P said:And again...
@politicshome: Tuesday's Telegraph front page - Labour tax on 'wealthy English' to fund Scots nurses http://t.co/RDMke2GhA50 -
1. People like the idea in the abstract, but when push comes to shove they don't want to risk the one they hate the most getting in because people are wishy washy about which side to support, so they are immediately suspicious of compromise or joint working from the parties, even if they say they want them to do so.GIN1138 said:1. It's a puzzle. Fewer people seem to want majority governments with the "Big Two" yet when they had the chance to vote for AV over FPTP they over-overwhelmingly wanted to keep the system that only really works with a duopoly. Who can explain this paradox?
6. I'm surprised the parties waste their money on posters to be honest. Would be better investing in mail drops and "viral" internet ad's.
7. Left, right, center. It's all nonsense. The REAL way to tap into the electorate in these anti-politics times is to be an "outsider" trying to tear up consensuses.
9. How many years will Labour be out of power for from 2020 if they decide to rule over England with the SNP?
6. Total waste of money indeed. They will immediately be mocked or debunked, and ruin some poor graphic designers career probably. Why bother?
7. It certainly helps.
9. Labour won't care. They will naturally assume, as the Tories did in 2010, that they will be able to figure something out to prevent any blowback in 5 years. Pyrrhic victory's are not to be feared in politics; after all, when you win, it will be different.0 -
Err.....I will have a wild guess, all of it.bigjohnowls said:
Mansion Tax will fund extra nurses in England Scotland and Wales.HYUFD said:@jimmurphymp: We will fund #1000Nurses using money Scotland gets from mansion tax across UK. 95% will be levied in South East of UK"
Excellent policy
What bit of the rich paying their share dont PB Tories get?0 -
Labour could well have just forfeited every seat they hold west of the Isle of Wight and south of the Wash. They appear to be undertaking a kind of scorched-earth tactic - anything can be abandoned as long as Scotland is saved.HYUFD said:@jimmurphymp: We will fund #1000Nurses using money Scotland gets from mansion tax across UK. 95% will be levied in South East of UK"
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It is impossible to describe how stupid this is by SLab/Murphy.Stark_Dawning said:
Incredible. News of the England Tax has actually gone mainstream. And a few hours ago we speculating on here that it was just an implausible SNP spoof. Ed needs to stamp on this pronto or he'll lose England as well as Scotland.Scott_P said:And again...
@politicshome: Tuesday's Telegraph front page - Labour tax on 'wealthy English' to fund Scots nurses http://t.co/RDMke2GhA5
Nhs is devolved so this election can do jack shit for Scottish nursing levels
Entire policy plays to stereotype of Scotland being too poor to look after itself (harking back to the 2005 slogan- break up Britain Scotland goes broke. That slogan is what started SLab's decline)
It creates a massive stick to beat ELab with.
Like a massive huge stick.
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Don't the rich pay more than everyone else already?bigjohnowls said:
Mansion Tax will fund extra nurses in England Scotland and Wales.HYUFD said:@jimmurphymp: We will fund #1000Nurses using money Scotland gets from mansion tax across UK. 95% will be levied in South East of UK"
Excellent policy
What bit of the rich paying their share dont PB Tories get?0 -
Cameron's supposed referendum brilliance will lose its shine pretty quick if we end up with PR.RodCrosby said:
AV is any duopoly's dream. The parties were the stupid ones, in not backing it.GIN1138 said:1. It's a puzzle. Fewer people seem to want majority governments with the "Big Two" yet when they had the chance to vote for AV over FPTP they over-overwhelmingly wanted to keep the system that only really works with a duopoly. Who can explain this paradox?
When the wheels finally fall off FPTP, all that remains as an option is PR...0 -
Mansion Tax funds 20000 extra nurse 18000 in England 1000 in Wales and shock horror 1000 in Scotland
Popular policy IMO except in Myleenes and PB Tories little world0 -
I can sense another PB earth shattering, general election turning moment in the air, again, yet another one.0
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Ah Mr GIN - I remember voting in October. Those were the days. The tory PM could actually shoot on the grouse moor in those days. And you could have a Labour leader who had introduced prescription charges.
One might also add, ''Don't Let Labour Ruin It''0 -
Murphy is looking out for Murphy, but he's fallen back to the paternalistic bullshit that the people of Scotland have rejected at the last two Holyrood elections. The question is: will this coming election run alonng Holyrood lines?glw said:
You'd expect a clanger like that to be dropped during the campaign, but not on day bloody one, and Murphy's meant to be one of the smarter Labour politicians.HYUFD said:@jimmurphymp: We will fund #1000Nurses using money Scotland gets from mansion tax across UK. 95% will be levied in South East of UK"
It doesn't matter what the nuance of the issue is, it's going to be translated by the press into "higher taxes in England to prop up Labour's fading support in Scotland".0 -
Rich get Richer in last 5 years though so can afford MTTheWatcher said:
Don't the rich pay more than everyone else already?bigjohnowls said:
Mansion Tax will fund extra nurses in England Scotland and Wales.HYUFD said:@jimmurphymp: We will fund #1000Nurses using money Scotland gets from mansion tax across UK. 95% will be levied in South East of UK"
Excellent policy
What bit of the rich paying their share dont PB Tories get?0 -
'again'??HYUFD said:Peter Hain 'Labour needs to learn to love spending again...Democratic socialism, not neoliberalism, should remain the calling of our age'
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SNP, LDs, Greens, UKIP et al should state in advance they will refuse to put any party into power which doesn't enact immediate electoral reform...Alistair said:
Cameron's supposed referendum brilliance will lose its shine pretty quick if we end up with PR.RodCrosby said:
AV is any duopoly's dream. The parties were the stupid ones, in not backing it.GIN1138 said:1. It's a puzzle. Fewer people seem to want majority governments with the "Big Two" yet when they had the chance to vote for AV over FPTP they over-overwhelmingly wanted to keep the system that only really works with a duopoly. Who can explain this paradox?
When the wheels finally fall off FPTP, all that remains as an option is PR...
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Well it is no Osborne crying at a funeral or Dave shopping in Morrisons or riding a horse.compouter2 said:I can sense another PB earth shattering, general election turning moment in the air, again, yet another one.
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Well, I'm off to bed. When I wake up tomorrow the south of England could well be a Labour-free zone.0
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glsw/starkdowning They could well end up being trounced by the Tories south of Watford, and the SNP north of Berwick!0
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Why?Stark_Dawning said:
Labour could well have just forfeited every seat they hold west of the Isle of Wight and south of the Wash. They appear to be undertaking a kind of scorched-earth tactic - anything can be abandoned as long as Scotland is saved.HYUFD said:@jimmurphymp: We will fund #1000Nurses using money Scotland gets from mansion tax across UK. 95% will be levied in South East of UK"
Dont they want people in mansions to fund 18000 extra nurses in England in your opinion.
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It depends how it ends up being perceived (and in any case is early enough in the campaign any impact will likely be over soon, assuming it gains any traction). It is no surprise that after having had to fight so hard to convince Scotland to stay in the Union when many in England already thought the Scots got a better deal than them, with the impression that yet more gifts were headed Scotland's way, that anything that might suggest England was paying more than is fair to bolster Scotland - ungrateful Scotland which is about to vote in masses of SNP MPs who will, undoubtedly, seek to arrange a new referendum at some point - has the potential to galvanise a significant number in England to oppose that policy.bigjohnowls said:Mansion Tax funds 20000 extra nurse 18000 in England 1000 in Wales and shock horror 1000 in Scotland
Popular policy IMO except in Myleenes and PB Tories little world
As a supporter of the Union it is painful that there is so little affection and trust between the constituent parts, but I also cannot deny that the general impression of many, right or wrong, is that Scotland gets a better deal out of it than England. As such, whether or not a policy does favour Scotland over England or not, if it might be seen as doing so, that could be damaging.
I suspect the outrage will unravel, but it's not a bad strategy in the short term when there are so few other things for the Tories to attempt.0 -
You are wrong.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I'm off to bed. When I wake up tomorrow the south of England could well be a Labour-free zone.
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In the fevered days after the last election I theorized a 6 month rainbow coalition whose sole aim was an emergency budget and an electoral reform bill before calling fresh electionsRodCrosby said:
SNP, LDs, Greens, UKIP et al should state in advance they will refuse to put any party into power which doesn't enact immediate electoral reform...Alistair said:
Cameron's supposed referendum brilliance will lose its shine pretty quick if we end up with PR.RodCrosby said:
AV is any duopoly's dream. The parties were the stupid ones, in not backing it.GIN1138 said:1. It's a puzzle. Fewer people seem to want majority governments with the "Big Two" yet when they had the chance to vote for AV over FPTP they over-overwhelmingly wanted to keep the system that only really works with a duopoly. Who can explain this paradox?
When the wheels finally fall off FPTP, all that remains as an option is PR...0 -
In the absense of swingback we have the PB monthly earth shattering,general election losing, craptastic Labour disaster,that swings the polls in a massive way.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is no Osborne crying at a funeral or Dave shopping in Morrisons or riding a horse.compouter2 said:I can sense another PB earth shattering, general election turning moment in the air, again, yet another one.
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How do you know?bigjohnowls said:
You are wrong.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I'm off to bed. When I wake up tomorrow the south of England could well be a Labour-free zone.
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But I thought the Mansion Tax was supposed to pay (along with half a dozen other things) for the rising demands on the NHS. Are you saying the entire lot will be blown on nurses?bigjohnowls said:You are wrong.
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Roll on EICIPM0 -
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-conference-ed-miliband-pledges-to-save-the-nhs-with-mansion-and-tobacco-taxes-9750948.htmlRichard_Nabavi said:
But I thought the Mansion Tax was supposed to pay (along with half a dozen other things) for the rising demands on the NHS. Are you saying the entire lot will be blown on nurses?bigjohnowls said:You are wrong.
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'Popular policy IMO except in Myleenes and PB Tories little world'
Always a popular policy when someone else is paying the tax,won't be the same though with Labour's NI, income tax, council tax & fuel tax increases.0 -
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It will have as much effect ie zero as the last story that was going to damage Labour a couple of months ago . It was so earth shattering that I cant remember what it was all about now but pbtories were expecting a big impact in the polls at the time .Stark_Dawning said:
Labour could well have just forfeited every seat they hold west of the Isle of Wight and south of the Wash. They appear to be undertaking a kind of scorched-earth tactic - anything can be abandoned as long as Scotland is saved.HYUFD said:@jimmurphymp: We will fund #1000Nurses using money Scotland gets from mansion tax across UK. 95% will be levied in South East of UK"
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Newsnight Index predicts Labour largest party.0
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From item 7:
as it defines itself further, some conservatives who flirted with Ukip may find that it is not the clear Right-wing choice they once admired – but a party just as capable of opportunism as its rivals.
Well, quite. Which is why I think differential swingback from UKIP, i.e. a net benefit to the Conservatives (relative to where we are now), is likely.0 -
all polls linking MT to extra NHS funds show it is popularnigel4england said:
How do you know?bigjohnowls said:
You are wrong.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I'm off to bed. When I wake up tomorrow the south of England could well be a Labour-free zone.
Even in SE MT to pay for 20000 extra nurses is popular
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/general-election-2015-british-public-back-ed-milibands-mansion-tax-plan-14669340 -
@DPJHodges: If tomorrow's on-line headline's are a reflection of tomorrow's papers, Ed Miliband might as well pack for Harvard now.0
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SKY NEWS FLASH - Riots have broken out across South East England as mansion owners took to the streets to protest about extra nurses. Police have asked for plebs and other non-mansion owners to stay indoors for their own safety.0
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By six seats.surbiton said:Newsnight Index predicts Labour largest party.
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I think a new MT is stupid, and I'm not living in one. A new tax is dumb. By all means introduce additional Council Tax bands and increase the annual fee for upper bands of Council Tax.bigjohnowls said:
You are wrong.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I'm off to bed. When I wake up tomorrow the south of England could well be a Labour-free zone.
Even in SE MT to pay for 20000 extra nurses is popular
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PB Tories really are in denial tonight arent theycompouter2 said:SKY NEWS FLASH - Riots have broken out across South East England as mansion owners took to the streets to protest about extra nurses. Police have asked for plebs and other non-mansion owners to stay indoors for their own safety.
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Terrific mash-up of Kraftwerk's "Autobahn" and the Tory press conference by Newsnight.Worth a look on i-player.
The Tories campaign images will now move on to the billboards of Britain,offering numerous opportunities for locals to test out their artistic capabilities.0 -
Doesn't say anything about the South East, which is what you claimed.bigjohnowls said:
all polls linking MT to extra NHS funds show it is popularnigel4england said:
How do you know?bigjohnowls said:
You are wrong.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I'm off to bed. When I wake up tomorrow the south of England could well be a Labour-free zone.
Even in SE MT to pay for 20000 extra nurses is popular
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/general-election-2015-british-public-back-ed-milibands-mansion-tax-plan-14669340 -
"Watching #Newsnight and the forecast of Labour on 286 seats, Conservatives on 280 and Lib Dems on 26. #GE2015"
I'm not sure how they calculated it, that's a smaller gap than Fisher's crude swingback model.0 -
It is probably another one of Ed's "aspirations", they don't need to add up, it is part of the new new politics where arithmetic is redundant.Richard_Nabavi said:
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Heresy!Richard_Nabavi said:From item 7:
as {UKIP] defines itself further, some conservatives who flirted with Ukip may find that it is not the clear Right-wing choice they once admired – but a party just as capable of opportunism as its rivals.
Yeah, I guess it is understating them a little.nigel4england said:
By six seats.surbiton said:Newsnight Index predicts Labour largest party.
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Labour supporters seem to be in a remarkable panic, as well they might be. I guess if we had any Scottish Labour supporters posting here they'd be in total despair.bigjohnowls said:
PB Tories really are in denial tonight arent theycompouter2 said:SKY NEWS FLASH - Riots have broken out across South East England as mansion owners took to the streets to protest about extra nurses. Police have asked for plebs and other non-mansion owners to stay indoors for their own safety.
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surbiton If they carry on in this fashion they won't!0
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Jim Murphy is an extremely astute Labour politician. But remember, his job is to get the Labour vote out in Scotland, its Ed Miliband's job to deliver the Labour vote in the rest of the UK...glw said:
You'd expect a clanger like that to be dropped during the campaign, but not on day bloody one, and Murphy's meant to be one of the smarter Labour politicians.HYUFD said:@jimmurphymp: We will fund #1000Nurses using money Scotland gets from mansion tax across UK. 95% will be levied in South East of UK"
It doesn't matter what the nuance of the issue is, it's going to be translated by the press into "higher taxes in England to prop up Labour's fading support in Scotland".0 -
England to pay for Labour's Scottish election 'bribes'.
Murphy's having a mad, flapping panic isn't he?0 -
See the data tables from the poll published by Yougov on their website . London was the closest area but even there 57% supported and only 24% opposednigel4england said:
Doesn't say anything about the South East, which is what you claimed.bigjohnowls said:
all polls linking MT to extra NHS funds show it is popularnigel4england said:
How do you know?bigjohnowls said:
You are wrong.Stark_Dawning said:Well, I'm off to bed. When I wake up tomorrow the south of England could well be a Labour-free zone.
Even in SE MT to pay for 20000 extra nurses is popular
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/general-election-2015-british-public-back-ed-milibands-mansion-tax-plan-14669340 -
I thought he said he wasn't going to take orders from Ed, not win in Scotland at Ed's expense.fitalass said:Jim Murphy is an extremely astute Labour politician. But remember, his job is to get the Labour vote out in Scotland, its Ed Miliband's job to deliver the Labour vote in the rest of the UK...
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Yeah but they didn't ask about paying for Scottish nurses, did they?MarkSenior said:See the data tables from the poll published by Yougov on their website . London was the closest area but even there 57% supported and only 24% opposed
Labour has nowhere to hide on this. The point that this is a tax on the SE to pay for Scottish nurses is a direct quote from an official SLAB tweet. (It's also of course a nonsense, since health is a devolved matter, but that's hardly an argument which Labour can rely on!)0 -
Telegraph front page: Labour tax on 'wealthy English' to fund Scots nurses
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6nr5MOCYAAUQxT.jpg
What some of ideological background would a party leader need to come from to be so spitefully anti-English?
Oh, yes. This one:
"The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world ... When you hear the English talk of this war you sometimes almost want them to lose it to show them how things are."0 -
The point is not about the Mansion Tax, if it was just that it would be a non-story, it is the fact he said it was a tax on the South East to pay for Scotland has the potential to become a reverse poll tax for Labour!0
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TSE is losing his touch. How did he miss this story?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/firefighters-rescue-naked-woman-trapped-in-chimney-of-exboyfriends-home-in-the-us-9958518.html
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LOLcompouter2 said:
Err.....I will have a wild guess, all of it.bigjohnowls said:
Mansion Tax will fund extra nurses in England Scotland and Wales.HYUFD said:@jimmurphymp: We will fund #1000Nurses using money Scotland gets from mansion tax across UK. 95% will be levied in South East of UK"
Excellent policy
What bit of the rich paying their share dont PB Tories get?
PB Tories are a strange bunch, a VERY strange bunch...0 -
Whither crossover?TheScreamingEagles said:@tnewtondunn: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: 1st in 2015 and also with UKIP prompted - LAB 34%, CON 31%, UKIP 14%, GRN 8%, LD 7%. Gives Ed Mili majority of 16.
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As there are many vacant posts in General Practice already, and poor fill rates of 75% or so of GP training places at the moment, plus the average age of GPs is demographically weighted to those retiring within the next five years, I would suggest that Ed Miliband's plan for an extra 33 000 GP's is a tad unrealistic!Richard_Nabavi said:
But I thought the Mansion Tax was supposed to pay (along with half a dozen other things) for the rising demands on the NHS. Are you saying the entire lot will be blown on nurses?bigjohnowls said:You are wrong.
Even in SE MT to pay for 20000 extra nurses is popular
On the plus side that leaves more MT lolly to spend on Nurses...or would do if those were also availible!
Perhaps a combined Greek/Spanish/Portuguese/Polish/Tagalog phrasebook could be issued to all admitted patients so that they can communicate with the Locum and Agency staff? They sure as hell aren't going to be British trained!
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The Greens are ahead of the Lib Dems...Sunil_Prasannan said:Whither crossover?
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I see the Labour brigading has suddenly started in the last hour. Obviously a mad panic at Labour HQ and they've sent out the astroturfers.0
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Just six weeks ago Yougov did a standard VI question that gave Labour a 2 point lead. Then they named leaders. The Tories were three clear when Cameron/Miliband entered the conversation.
Their poll findings should always bear that in mind.
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Is it true the Tories will privatise PB.com, should they win the election?0
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Speaking as a Labour candidate I'm happy with today's coverage - even the stuff about Scottish nurses paid for by £2 million Southern house-owners is good. The whole day has been on Labour's terrain - even the Tory attacks on the possible Labour policies mainly had the effect of highlighting the policies.
But will it influence the polls? Not much either way, I think. I note Mr Dawning's expectation that it will devastate Southern Labour support. I recommend a nice cup of tea. If we get that excited after one day, what will we be like by May?0 -
Yes, they appear to be full panic rebuttal mode tonight. We have another four months of this on PB, and no doubt at some point, the supporters of all the main parties will take take their turn to run us through a spin cycle after a bad news day.Richard_Nabavi said:
Labour supporters seem to be in a remarkable panic, as well they might be. I guess if we had any Scottish Labour supporters posting here they'd be in total despair.bigjohnowls said:
PB Tories really are in denial tonight arent theycompouter2 said:SKY NEWS FLASH - Riots have broken out across South East England as mansion owners took to the streets to protest about extra nurses. Police have asked for plebs and other non-mansion owners to stay indoors for their own safety.
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If you believe the polls in Scotland, you need to believe the polls in England (And vice versa)MikeL said:
UKIP prompted - yet they are lower than they were in all the final three YouGovs of 2014.TheScreamingEagles said:@tnewtondunn: YouGov/Sun poll tonight: 1st in 2015 and also with UKIP prompted - LAB 34%, CON 31%, UKIP 14%, GRN 8%, LD 7%. Gives Ed Mili majority of 16.
Disappointing poll for Con.
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A big thumbs up from the English hater Ralph.Socrates said:Telegraph front page: Labour tax on 'wealthy English' to fund Scots nurses
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6nr5MOCYAAUQxT.jpg
What some of ideological background would a party leader need to come from to be so spitefully anti-English?
Oh, yes. This one:
"The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world ... When you hear the English talk of this war you sometimes almost want them to lose it to show them how things are."0 -
That's the joy of Labour's 4 million conversations nonsense.chestnut said:Just six weeks ago Yougov did a standard VI question that gave Labour a 2 point lead. Then they named leaders. The Tories were three clear when Cameron/Miliband entered the conversation.
"Ed for PM then?"
"Um, no"
Repeat 4 million times...0 -
Is this someone's idea of a joke?
"Anti-terror plan to spy on toddlers 'is heavy-handed’
Nursery staff and childminders are given 'duty' to report toddlers they suspect of being at risk of becoming terrorists under new Home Office measures"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11323558/Anti-terror-plan-to-spy-on-toddlers-is-heavy-handed.html0 -
None of the day has been on Labour's terrain. The dossier was not the terrain Labour planned for today.NickPalmer said:The whole day has been on Labour's terrain
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Really? The BBC News was presenting the story very much as "who can be the toughest gits on cutting spending" -- terrain that Labour will NEVER win on.NickPalmer said:The whole day has been on Labour's terrain - even the Tory attacks on the possible Labour policies mainly had the effect of highlighting the policies.
I'm still yet to understand how a message of "we can cut spending by (almost) as much as the Tories, but not have public services go down the pan" is going to make sense to the public.0 -
More coverage of Labour's terrain...Danny565 said:Really? The BBC News was presenting the story very much as "who can be the toughest gits on cutting spending" -- terrain that Labour will NEVER win on.
I'm still yet to understand how a message of "we can cut spending by (almost) as much as the Tories, but not have public services go down the pan" is going to make sense to the public.
@SamCoatesTimes: There will be no new money for public-sector pay, says Labour | The Times http://t.co/HVWztvMZDB
Pretty sure that's the message Ed wanted to get out this morning. Score another win for Lucy (I wonder what job she is going to have next...)0 -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11326531/Labour-will-tax-middle-class-homeowners-in-England-fund-NHS-in-Scotland.html
How many times has the proceeds from the mansion tax been spent now?0 -
Because since the Tory cuts are ideologically driven and they enjoy it, but Labour are doing it out of necessity/mismanagement by the Tories has forced them to, even though they will cut more or less the same amount in the same basic way, it is not as bad as they won't be enjoying it. Or something like that. Baffles me quite frankly, but it should be enough to carry them over given their other advantages.Danny565 said:
Really? The BBC News was presenting the story very much as "who can be the toughest gits on cutting spending" -- terrain that Labour will NEVER win on.NickPalmer said:The whole day has been on Labour's terrain - even the Tory attacks on the possible Labour policies mainly had the effect of highlighting the policies.
I'm still yet to understand how a message of "we can cut spending by (almost) as much as the Tories, but not have public services go down the pan" is going to make sense to the public.
I should hope so. Either way, a very understated headline for such a thing.AndyJS said:Is this someone's idea of a joke?
"Anti-terror plan to spy on toddlers 'is heavy-handed’
Nursery staff and childminders are given 'duty' to report toddlers they suspect of being at risk of becoming terrorists under new Home Office measures"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11323558/Anti-terror-plan-to-spy-on-toddlers-is-heavy-handed.html
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Hate to break it to you, but PB is private!Sunil_Prasannan said:Is it true the Tories will privatise PB.com, should they win the election?
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What about nurses for England? What about mental health nurses for the young? I'm not affected by the mansion tax but I'm not pleased at the idea that taxes raised in the South should be used for Scotland and not for poor parts of the UK, of which there are plenty.NickPalmer said:Speaking as a Labour candidate I'm happy with today's coverage - even the stuff about Scottish nurses paid for by £2 million Southern house-owners is good. The whole day has been on Labour's terrain - even the Tory attacks on the possible Labour policies mainly had the effect of highlighting the policies.
But will it influence the polls? Not much either way, I think. I note Mr Dawning's expectation that it will devastate Southern Labour support. I recommend a nice cup of tea. If we get that excited after one day, what will we be like by May?
And there is also Labour's plan to attack pension tax relief (again).
It gives the impression that Labour views anyone with a bit of savings or property as just a wallet to be picked.
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Hi glw, its great to see you back posting again more regularly. Your right, Jim Murphy made it clear that he wouldn't be taking orders from Ed. But I also suspect that he won't lose any sleep worrying about how his own Labour campaign on his home turf might impact negatively on Ed's performance in the rest of the UK.glw said:
I thought he said he wasn't going to take orders from Ed, not win in Scotland at Ed's expense.fitalass said:Jim Murphy is an extremely astute Labour politician. But remember, his job is to get the Labour vote out in Scotland, its Ed Miliband's job to deliver the Labour vote in the rest of the UK...
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What do you think the less well off voters in London will think?NickPalmer said:Speaking as a Labour candidate I'm happy with today's coverage - even the stuff about Scottish nurses paid for by £2 million Southern house-owners is good.
We're taking money off rich Londoners, but it isn't for you it's for Dr Kildare and Alex McSturgeon...
To stupidity and beyond.
A winner for UKIP, the Greens, anyone actually...0 -
That's just Tory propaganda!RobD said:
Hate to break it to you, but PB is private!Sunil_Prasannan said:Is it true the Tories will privatise PB.com, should they win the election?
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Tory Rule #1 If it moves, privatise it.Sunil_Prasannan said:Is it true the Tories will privatise PB.com, should they win the election?
Tory Rule #2 If it doesn't move, privatise it
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Plus we were always being told by the Scots that they subsidised us so why do they need our money? Can't they pay for their own nurses?chestnut said:
What do you think the less well off voters in London will think?NickPalmer said:Speaking as a Labour candidate I'm happy with today's coverage - even the stuff about Scottish nurses paid for by £2 million Southern house-owners is good.
We're taking money off rich Londoners, but it isn't for you it's for Dr Kildare and Alex McSturgeon...
To stupidity and beyond.
A winner for UKIP, the Greens, anyone actually...
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You'd be a bit pissed off as a Welsh voter. Labour's run healthcare into the ground, and would appear to be more interested in bunging extra sweeties to the Scots, than those in the Principality.Cyclefree said:
What about nurses for England? What about mental health nurses for the young? I'm not affected by the mansion tax but I'm not pleased at the idea that taxes raised in the South should be used for Scotland and not for poor parts of the UK, of which there are plenty.NickPalmer said:Speaking as a Labour candidate I'm happy with today's coverage - even the stuff about Scottish nurses paid for by £2 million Southern house-owners is good. The whole day has been on Labour's terrain - even the Tory attacks on the possible Labour policies mainly had the effect of highlighting the policies.
But will it influence the polls? Not much either way, I think. I note Mr Dawning's expectation that it will devastate Southern Labour support. I recommend a nice cup of tea. If we get that excited after one day, what will we be like by May?
And there is also Labour's plan to attack pension tax relief (again).
It gives the impression that Labour views anyone with a bit of savings or property as just a wallet to be picked.0 -
Labour have treated Scotland like their own little fiefdom for decades and suddenly they're shocked that it's turned against them. Carry on like this, and the same will happen in London. London has more poverty than Scotland - why on Earth is even more of its money being snatched away to shore up the unruly Scots?NickPalmer said:Speaking as a Labour candidate I'm happy with today's coverage - even the stuff about Scottish nurses paid for by £2 million Southern house-owners is good. The whole day has been on Labour's terrain - even the Tory attacks on the possible Labour policies mainly had the effect of highlighting the policies.
But will it influence the polls? Not much either way, I think. I note Mr Dawning's expectation that it will devastate Southern Labour support. I recommend a nice cup of tea. If we get that excited after one day, what will we be like by May?
The London tax should be spent on London's needs.0
