Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Nope
There is no version of Brexit that isn't shit.
You can argue about the colour, texture or fragrance. but the substance remains.
It was a shit idea, promoted by shysters and voted for by the gullible.
The reality is shit.
People who voted for it know it's shit.
The diehards on here will continue to wail against the dying of the light, but they know it's shit, they know they voted for the swivel eyed loons and closet racists.
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
lol. He is the worst. The stats are now coming in
We're in recession, we are borrowing record amounts, and he has INCREASED boat arrivals
They are failing on every single metric they set for themselves
But he's a lawyer, a quangocrat and a socialist.
As he's a lawyer, it will always be somebody else's fault.
As he's a quangocrat, the solution will be more power for him and his kind, even if it was his incompetence that caused the problem in the first place.
And as he's a socialist, everybody else gets to pay for it.
On the upside I am drinking Charles Mignon champagne and about to go to Soho to reunite with friends of these last 30 odd years for our annual Xmas shindig. And I am listening to Michael Nesmith's Rio
Life could be worse. I should drink more fizz
Gonna buy a case of English Sparkles tomoz
We guys of a certain age living out the rest of our lives happy that we've secured our independence and, never mind that those following on behind won't enjoy the same state of affairs, really isn't a good thing.
Your not having the intelligence or insight to avoid toying with every passing proto-fascist certainly isn't the answer.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Education, I think we perform slightly better than European peers on reading and science, but only in line on maths. I think we do a poor job, however, with vocational training for 16 to 18 year olds compared to -say- Germany or Switzerland or the Nordics.
Shit: that was almost exactly the same comment as @Leon. Now I have to go beat myself with sticks.
On the NHS
The cultural change from “accept what you are given by The People in Charge” to “I am a customer” has had an effect.
I think the immigrant population has had an effect as well - my wife comes from a country where nearly all medical care is paid for (very basic public hospitals) and she expects quality. And demands it.
Just had best part of a day with the NHS. Mrs C had 'a funny turn'. Called 111. This was about 11am on Wednesday. Someone 'technical' ... as opposed to call handler ....got back to us about 12.30. After discussion, felt an ambulance as necessary. 12.30am Thursday the ambulance arrived. Very helpful, thoughtful crew. 2.15 am we arrived at A&E. Obviously very busy. 3am Mrs C's bed was in a queue in the corridor outside A&E 'wards'. There were then various visits from specialists of various sorts resulting in: 8am Decided that Mrs C (and me, who'd been 'sort of' holding her hand sine 2am) could go home with appropriate advice. 9.15 am discharge procedures completed. Did we want hospital transport? How long would it be? Don't know. 9.45 am We got a taxi. 10.15am home.
What do I think? Once we were in the system, couldn't really complain. We weren't left for long without "something happening'! Tests were conducted in the small hours, we were visited by appropriate staff 4,5,6am. Getting out was a bit of a mess, but the face-to-face staff were, at all times, excellent.
So sorry to hear that and hope Mrs C is OK
I would say that my experience last year was that the GP sent me into A & E as an emergency and I arrived by car at 5.30pm
I was triaged and at 6.30pm bloods were taken
At 3.00am I was told they had done the wrong blood tests and took more
Finally at 7.30am, after a night of intense pain and in a wheelchair, I was seen by the A& E doctor with another doctor and senior nurse and was immediately admitted with an urgent utrasound confirming a substantial dvt in my left thigh and a undetected aneurysm
From the moment I was in the system, everything over the next year was efficient and I have no complaints about anyone even in A & E
Just the emergency system is broken at present
That aneurysm was a good spot, if I understand things correctly.
Keep up the good fight Big_G - and OKC and Mrs OKC!
As an aside, imo nothing, but NOTHING is more valuable than good health. Whatever we spend on it as a nation would ever be enough.
Mrs P and I have decided were are going away for every Christmas from now on. Madeira this year, but fancy the Highlands or Lake District next, then maybe the Alps, then somewhere warm again... etc.
But for next year, anyone recommend a great hotel in the Lake District or Highlands to hole away for and be pampered for Christmas 2025?
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Education, I think we perform slightly better than European peers on reading and science, but only in line on maths. I think we do a poor job, however, with vocational training for 16 to 18 year olds compared to -say- Germany or Switzerland or the Nordics.
Shit: that was almost exactly the same comment as @Leon. Now I have to go beat myself with sticks.
On the NHS
The cultural change from “accept what you are given by The People in Charge” to “I am a customer” has had an effect.
I think the immigrant population has had an effect as well - my wife comes from a country where nearly all medical care is paid for (very basic public hospitals) and she expects quality. And demands it.
Just had best part of a day with the NHS. Mrs C had 'a funny turn'. Called 111. This was about 11am on Wednesday. Someone 'technical' ... as opposed to call handler ....got back to us about 12.30. After discussion, felt an ambulance as necessary. 12.30am Thursday the ambulance arrived. Very helpful, thoughtful crew. 2.15 am we arrived at A&E. Obviously very busy. 3am Mrs C's bed was in a queue in the corridor outside A&E 'wards'. There were then various visits from specialists of various sorts resulting in: 8am Decided that Mrs C (and me, who'd been 'sort of' holding her hand sine 2am) could go home with appropriate advice. 9.15 am discharge procedures completed. Did we want hospital transport? How long would it be? Don't know. 9.45 am We got a taxi. 10.15am home.
What do I think? Once we were in the system, couldn't really complain. We weren't left for long without "something happening'! Tests were conducted in the small hours, we were visited by appropriate staff 4,5,6am. Getting out was a bit of a mess, but the face-to-face staff were, at all times, excellent.
So sorry to hear that and hope Mrs C is OK
I would say that my experience last year was that the GP sent me into A & E as an emergency and I arrived by car at 5.30pm
I was triaged and at 6.30pm bloods were taken
At 3.00am I was told they had done the wrong blood tests and took more
Finally at 7.30am, after a night of intense pain and in a wheelchair, I was seen by the A& E doctor with another doctor and senior nurse and was immediately admitted with an urgent utrasound confirming a substantial dvt in my left thigh and a undetected aneurysm
From the moment I was in the system, everything over the next year was efficient and I have no complaints about anyone even in A & E
Just the emergency system is broken at present
If the GP system wasn’t broken, there would be less pressure on A&E.
Our GP surgery, usually excellent, was closed on Wednesday afternoon for GP training
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Nope
There is no version of Brexit that isn't shit.
You can argue about the colour, texture or fragrance. but the substance remains.
It was a shit idea, promoted by shysters and voted for by the gullible.
The reality is shit.
People who voted for it know it's shit.
The diehards on here will continue to wail against the dying of the light, but they know it's shit, they know they voted for the swivel eyed loons and closet racists.
All they have left is bravado.
All they have left is UK out of the EU which they wanted
I voted remain but accepted the vote
The only way to reverse it is a manifesto commitment to rejoin at the next GE by the winning party or another referendum
I fear you will have a long wait as nobody knows what the EU will look like in years to come or their terms to rejoin
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
Also, remember that every extra 10-20% in boat arrivals adds one BILLION to our annual bill for housing these people in the Dorchester with their private manicurists
It is fucking ridiculous. If one thing will ever make the torpid British stand up and revolt, it will be this. We are spending five tines the savings from the WFA cut to make sure illegal migrants who hate us are nicely housed in hotels
We are letting our own pensioners die from cold so that illegally arrived Syrian jihadis plotting to kill us can live in workless luxury, in Britain
That is literally the case. Reform are gonna win by eight trillion votes in '28
They certainly won in St Helens last night but not maybe by trillions
Mrs P and I have decided were are going away for every Christmas from now on. Madeira this year, but fancy the Highlands or Lake District next, then maybe the Alps, then somewhere warm again... etc.
But for next year, anyone recommend a great hotel in the Lake District or Highlands to hole away for and be pampered for Christmas 2025?
Nope, but Brugge is good. Belgium is open for business on Christmas Day, and Brugge has enough places pen on Christmas Eve evening to amuse yourself
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
Also, remember that every extra 10-20% in boat arrivals adds one BILLION to our annual bill for housing these people in the Dorchester with their private manicurists
It is fucking ridiculous. If one thing will ever make the torpid British stand up and revolt, it will be this. We are spending five tines the savings from the WFA cut to make sure illegal migrants who hate us are nicely housed in hotels
We are letting our own pensioners die from cold so that illegally arrived Syrian jihadis plotting to kill us can live in workless luxury, in Britain
That is literally the case. Reform are gonna win by eight trillion votes in '28
They certainly won in St Helens last night but not maybe by trillions
Mrs P and I have decided were are going away for every Christmas from now on. Madeira this year, but fancy the Highlands or Lake District next, then maybe the Alps, then somewhere warm again... etc.
But for next year, anyone recommend a great hotel in the Lake District or Highlands to hole away for and be pampered for Christmas 2025?
Nope, but Brugge is good. Belgium is open for business on Christmas Day, and Brugge has enough places pen on Christmas Eve evening to amuse yourself
Great call - I'll add it to the list of future Christmas bolt-holes.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
Zhou en-lai. He was a history professor. And it was a mistranslation. He believed they were asking about the 1968 Paris riots.
Mrs P and I have decided were are going away for every Christmas from now on. Madeira this year, but fancy the Highlands or Lake District next, then maybe the Alps, then somewhere warm again... etc.
But for next year, anyone recommend a great hotel in the Lake District or Highlands to hole away for and be pampered for Christmas 2025?
Stay for Hogmanay if you are going to Scotland.
Not in central Edinburgh. I'd avoid. Drunken crowds many of whom are young tourists, a 'difficult' topography which makes crowd control tricky, and excess commercialisation certainly in recent years.
Also - remember 1 January is a public holiday but so is 2 January (or the weekday equivs).
I was far more worried about civil society 15 years ago than I am now, with plenty of hoodies, antisocial behaviour, and petty violence on the streets. Plus active Islamist terror cells, all now largely gone.
The main concern I have now is solvency and security.
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
Also, remember that every extra 10-20% in boat arrivals adds one BILLION to our annual bill for housing these people in the Dorchester with their private manicurists
It is fucking ridiculous. If one thing will ever make the torpid British stand up and revolt, it will be this. We are spending five tines the savings from the WFA cut to make sure illegal migrants who hate us are nicely housed in hotels
We are letting our own pensioners die from cold so that illegally arrived Syrian jihadis plotting to kill us can live in workless luxury, in Britain
That is literally the case. Reform are gonna win by eight trillion votes in '28
For the Mets, it's the ideal opportunity to virtue signal.
Attempt at viral humour, probably futile, but there's been worse attempts I'm sure.
She should learn from a poker motto, if you can't tell who the sucker in the game is, it is probably you. She has zero chance of beating Nigel (sorry Nigel) at his own game.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Education, I think we perform slightly better than European peers on reading and science, but only in line on maths. I think we do a poor job, however, with vocational training for 16 to 18 year olds compared to -say- Germany or Switzerland or the Nordics.
Shit: that was almost exactly the same comment as @Leon. Now I have to go beat myself with sticks.
On the NHS
The cultural change from “accept what you are given by The People in Charge” to “I am a customer” has had an effect.
I think the immigrant population has had an effect as well - my wife comes from a country where nearly all medical care is paid for (very basic public hospitals) and she expects quality. And demands it.
Just had best part of a day with the NHS. Mrs C had 'a funny turn'. Called 111. This was about 11am on Wednesday. Someone 'technical' ... as opposed to call handler ....got back to us about 12.30. After discussion, felt an ambulance as necessary. 12.30am Thursday the ambulance arrived. Very helpful, thoughtful crew. 2.15 am we arrived at A&E. Obviously very busy. 3am Mrs C's bed was in a queue in the corridor outside A&E 'wards'. There were then various visits from specialists of various sorts resulting in: 8am Decided that Mrs C (and me, who'd been 'sort of' holding her hand sine 2am) could go home with appropriate advice. 9.15 am discharge procedures completed. Did we want hospital transport? How long would it be? Don't know. 9.45 am We got a taxi. 10.15am home.
What do I think? Once we were in the system, couldn't really complain. We weren't left for long without "something happening'! Tests were conducted in the small hours, we were visited by appropriate staff 4,5,6am. Getting out was a bit of a mess, but the face-to-face staff were, at all times, excellent.
So sorry to hear that and hope Mrs C is OK
I would say that my experience last year was that the GP sent me into A & E as an emergency and I arrived by car at 5.30pm
I was triaged and at 6.30pm bloods were taken
At 3.00am I was told they had done the wrong blood tests and took more
Finally at 7.30am, after a night of intense pain and in a wheelchair, I was seen by the A& E doctor with another doctor and senior nurse and was immediately admitted with an urgent utrasound confirming a substantial dvt in my left thigh and a undetected aneurysm
From the moment I was in the system, everything over the next year was efficient and I have no complaints about anyone even in A & E
Just the emergency system is broken at present
If the GP system wasn’t broken, there would be less pressure on A&E.
Our GP surgery, usually excellent, was closed on Wednesday afternoon for GP training
When did they invent GP training? General practice used to be for any newly-qualified doctors who did not fancy their chances in hospital medicine. General practice was not a speciality, it was the absence of a speciality. Maybe Wes Streeting could save a few quid here.
On the upside I am drinking Charles Mignon champagne and about to go to Soho to reunite with friends of these last 30 odd years for our annual Xmas shindig. And I am listening to Michael Nesmith's Rio
Life could be worse. I should drink more fizz
Gonna buy a case of English Sparkles tomoz
We guys of a certain age living out the rest of our lives happy that we've secured our independence and, never mind that those following on behind won't enjoy the same state of affairs, really isn't a good thing.
Your not having the intelligence or insight to avoid toying with every passing proto-fascist certainly isn't the answer.
I have two kids (at least). Do you have kids? - I hope so, they are a great blessing
So yeah anyway I am invested in the future because of THEM. I can’t just drink myself happily to death much as I try. I want a better world - and an unruined west - for them
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
Also, remember that every extra 10-20% in boat arrivals adds one BILLION to our annual bill for housing these people in the Dorchester with their private manicurists
It is fucking ridiculous. If one thing will ever make the torpid British stand up and revolt, it will be this. We are spending five tines the savings from the WFA cut to make sure illegal migrants who hate us are nicely housed in hotels
We are letting our own pensioners die from cold so that illegally arrived Syrian jihadis plotting to kill us can live in workless luxury, in Britain
That is literally the case. Reform are gonna win by eight trillion votes in '28
They certainly won in St Helens last night but not maybe by trillions
Tories won the Stock county council by election yesterday in rural Essex though. Reform were second and Labour collapsed to fifth behind the LDs and an Independent https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1867605608838426951
Mrs P and I have decided were are going away for every Christmas from now on. Madeira this year, but fancy the Highlands or Lake District next, then maybe the Alps, then somewhere warm again... etc.
But for next year, anyone recommend a great hotel in the Lake District or Highlands to hole away for and be pampered for Christmas 2025?
Stay for Hogmanay if you are going to Scotland.
Yes, good point. Will do.
Likely plan for 2025 is Christmas in the Lakes and New Year in London.
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Nope
There is no version of Brexit that isn't shit.
You can argue about the colour, texture or fragrance. but the substance remains.
It was a shit idea, promoted by shysters and voted for by the gullible.
The reality is shit.
People who voted for it know it's shit.
The diehards on here will continue to wail against the dying of the light, but they know it's shit, they know they voted for the swivel eyed loons and closet racists.
All they have left is bravado.
The only right version of Brexit would have been the one where it didn't happen. Being in the EU had some negatives but nothing like the negatives of being outside it.
Worst thing is we probably didn't even need to be bribed, so there's nothing gained whatsoever. The Football Association's decision to back Saudi Arabia's bid to host the 2034 World Cup was "not difficult" after organisers gave "a lot of commitments", its chair Debbie Hewitt says
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Oh do shut the fuck up
Brexit was the right decision because of democracy and sovereignty. That remains true. I would vote for it again for those reasons DESPITE the terrible poonami of crap that has come with Brexit
We've told you this a trillion times but then you dismiss it as a non-argument - "we were sovereign in the EU! We could always leave!" - so we can't have a debate because you guys don't accept there is a basis for debate. Then you complain there is no debate. Go jump in the Thames
I don't want a debate. And that's a noddy argument (sovereignty/democracy) but no matter because you've avoided what I'm complaining about (blaming Brexit on Remainers). Noddy arguments advanced in good faith with no gaslighting or snark. I much prefer this to the usual Leaver fare.
Btexit was the wrong decision on just about every level possible. So many lies told.
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Nah always wrong. Better to be In the tent pissing out rather than vice versa
Worst thing is we probably didn't even need to be bribed, so there's nothing gained whatsoever. The Football Association's decision to back Saudi Arabia's bid to host the 2034 World Cup was "not difficult" after organisers gave "a lot of commitments", its chair Debbie Hewitt says
Of course some European nations like Germany have more academically selective secondary schools than we do and Sweden has more free schools.
Most European countries make use of insurance to fund their healthcare systems too, they don't all use tax like the NHS
The problem with relying on insurance is that it means we are relying on insurance companies. Do you trust them to act in your best interests - or in their own?
Most European nations use state created insurance systems
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Education, I think we perform slightly better than European peers on reading and science, but only in line on maths. I think we do a poor job, however, with vocational training for 16 to 18 year olds compared to -say- Germany or Switzerland or the Nordics.
Shit: that was almost exactly the same comment as @Leon. Now I have to go beat myself with sticks.
On the NHS
The cultural change from “accept what you are given by The People in Charge” to “I am a customer” has had an effect.
I think the immigrant population has had an effect as well - my wife comes from a country where nearly all medical care is paid for (very basic public hospitals) and she expects quality. And demands it.
Just had best part of a day with the NHS. Mrs C had 'a funny turn'. Called 111. This was about 11am on Wednesday. Someone 'technical' ... as opposed to call handler ....got back to us about 12.30. After discussion, felt an ambulance as necessary. 12.30am Thursday the ambulance arrived. Very helpful, thoughtful crew. 2.15 am we arrived at A&E. Obviously very busy. 3am Mrs C's bed was in a queue in the corridor outside A&E 'wards'. There were then various visits from specialists of various sorts resulting in: 8am Decided that Mrs C (and me, who'd been 'sort of' holding her hand sine 2am) could go home with appropriate advice. 9.15 am discharge procedures completed. Did we want hospital transport? How long would it be? Don't know. 9.45 am We got a taxi. 10.15am home.
What do I think? Once we were in the system, couldn't really complain. We weren't left for long without "something happening'! Tests were conducted in the small hours, we were visited by appropriate staff 4,5,6am. Getting out was a bit of a mess, but the face-to-face staff were, at all times, excellent.
So sorry to hear that and hope Mrs C is OK
I would say that my experience last year was that the GP sent me into A & E as an emergency and I arrived by car at 5.30pm
I was triaged and at 6.30pm bloods were taken
At 3.00am I was told they had done the wrong blood tests and took more
Finally at 7.30am, after a night of intense pain and in a wheelchair, I was seen by the A& E doctor with another doctor and senior nurse and was immediately admitted with an urgent utrasound confirming a substantial dvt in my left thigh and a undetected aneurysm
From the moment I was in the system, everything over the next year was efficient and I have no complaints about anyone even in A & E
Just the emergency system is broken at present
That aneurysm was a good spot, if I understand things correctly.
Keep up the good fight Big_G - and OKC and Mrs OKC!
As an aside, imo nothing, but NOTHING is more valuable than good health. Whatever we spend on it as a nation would ever be enough.
Thank you and my wife visibility wilted with the twin diagnosis
Undetected aneurysms are the cause of death of 500,000 people worldwide each year, and in the UK screening is offered to all men when they become 65
In my case it was small requiring an annual ultrasound test, and I had my annual test 4 weeks ago and it had grown slightly but was still small. Larger ones require surgery but knowing you have one can be a lifesaver
Surprisingly my follow on tests found last Christmas that I needed an urgent pacemaker, and it is not connected to either my dvt or aneurysms, but the good thing is at present all my tests are positive
I would say I am restricted in my alcohol intake but I an virtually TT so it is not a concern
I would urge all fellow PBs to have regular health checks as they can be life saving
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
Also, remember that every extra 10-20% in boat arrivals adds one BILLION to our annual bill for housing these people in the Dorchester with their private manicurists
It is fucking ridiculous. If one thing will ever make the torpid British stand up and revolt, it will be this. We are spending five tines the savings from the WFA cut to make sure illegal migrants who hate us are nicely housed in hotels
We are letting our own pensioners die from cold so that illegally arrived Syrian jihadis plotting to kill us can live in workless luxury, in Britain
That is literally the case. Reform are gonna win by eight trillion votes in '28
They certainly won in St Helens last night but not maybe by trillions
Tories won the Stock county council by election yesterday in rural Essex though. Reform were second and Labour collapsed to fifth behind the LDs and an Independent https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1867605608838426951
UKIP scored heavily across East Anglia and the Thames Estuary, in 2013 in County Council elections.
I expect Reform will do similarly, but in addition, pick up seats in places like Durham, Lancashire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Cumbria.
I think Labour will be reduced to a similar score to 2009, and lose seats to everyone. The Tories will gain from Labour, but lose ground to Reform and Lib Dem’s.
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Nope
There is no version of Brexit that isn't shit.
You can argue about the colour, texture or fragrance. but the substance remains.
It was a shit idea, promoted by shysters and voted for by the gullible.
The reality is shit.
People who voted for it know it's shit.
The diehards on here will continue to wail against the dying of the light, but they know it's shit, they know they voted for the swivel eyed loons and closet racists.
All they have left is bravado.
The only right version of Brexit would have been the one where it didn't happen. Being in the EU had some negatives but nothing like the negatives of being outside it.
And you complain that Leavers won’t argue a case which you feel is axiomatically wrong? It’s like arguing the case for the Reformation with a Jesuit in about 1650
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Nope
There is no version of Brexit that isn't shit.
You can argue about the colour, texture or fragrance. but the substance remains.
It was a shit idea, promoted by shysters and voted for by the gullible.
The reality is shit.
People who voted for it know it's shit.
The diehards on here will continue to wail against the dying of the light, but they know it's shit, they know they voted for the swivel eyed loons and closet racists.
All they have left is bravado.
The only right version of Brexit would have been the one where it didn't happen. Being in the EU had some negatives but nothing like the negatives of being outside it.
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Nope
There is no version of Brexit that isn't shit.
You can argue about the colour, texture or fragrance. but the substance remains.
It was a shit idea, promoted by shysters and voted for by the gullible.
The reality is shit.
People who voted for it know it's shit.
The diehards on here will continue to wail against the dying of the light, but they know it's shit, they know they voted for the swivel eyed loons and closet racists.
All they have left is bravado.
The only right version of Brexit would have been the one where it didn't happen. Being in the EU had some negatives but nothing like the negatives of being outside it.
And you complain that Leavers won’t argue a case which you feel is axiomatically wrong? It’s like arguing the case for the Reformation with a Jesuit in about 1650
Brexit has made no difference to our economic performance which has been following the same (disappointing) trend ever since 2008.
This is simply a values argument. Which also explains why it never goes anywhere.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Better than the US, France, Germany and most wealthy countries too. If I had to go elsewhere probably Netherlands or Portugal.
Life in Britain is, I am afraid, not better than life in the US, France. Germany or most western countries. The stats do not lie. Our GDP per capita is DECLINING, not least because we are letting in 1m people every fucking year
And yeah great Starmer may somehow get this down to 700,000 or 600,000, that's still 1 percent of the entire population, transforming the country in ways most people really do not like
We need zero net migration. We need a breather. STOP the migration and let's try and assimilate those who are here, and also give our public services and housing a chance to catch up
And this is not a partisan point. It's the Tories that pushed up migration to truly surreal levels. For which reason they do not deserve to come back in 2028. Give Reform a go
Reform are just another set of posh conmen who will fail to deliver what you want. Not sure why someone with your legendary iq can't understand it all comes down to demographics, not politicians empty promises.
Desperation?
Literally: desperation
The Tories failed dramatically. In so many ways. Starmer appears to be even worse, incredibly
What's left? The Lib Dems? Fucksake
We need a dramatic re-set and part of that must be a massive hard clampdown on migration, asylum and Wokeness. Reform will definitely do THAT
Do they have any other policies? Not really. But that's a start. And their advantage is they are a blank slate, they are rethinking from first principles. So there is therefore a slice of hope. As I said they should look to Bukele and Millei
The very last thing we need is a "dramatic reset".
I'm not a fan of dramatic resets. You can achieve a lot with targeted and throught through tweaks, whereas revolutions usually just tip everything over and hope for the best, often ending up with something similar as people get sick of changes.
So the question is whether the tweak approach is going to be well thought through, and effective.
I reserve judgement for now, but I'm pessimisitc, and that's mostly due to my perception of what the public will accept, never mind leadership.
Yes. People need to settle down a bit. Dramatic resets in the rich developed world should be saved for the hairdressers.
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Nope
There is no version of Brexit that isn't shit.
You can argue about the colour, texture or fragrance. but the substance remains.
It was a shit idea, promoted by shysters and voted for by the gullible.
The reality is shit.
People who voted for it know it's shit.
The diehards on here will continue to wail against the dying of the light, but they know it's shit, they know they voted for the swivel eyed loons and closet racists.
All they have left is bravado.
The only right version of Brexit would have been the one where it didn't happen. Being in the EU had some negatives but nothing like the negatives of being outside it.
And you complain that Leavers won’t argue a case which you feel is axiomatically wrong? It’s like arguing the case for the Reformation with a Jesuit in about 1650
Well, start by stating the improvements that Brexit has brought, in it's still not fully realized form as there are still more customs barriers to implement.
The downsides are clearly apparent, hence the polling indicating that the UK public regret it happening.
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Nope
There is no version of Brexit that isn't shit.
You can argue about the colour, texture or fragrance. but the substance remains.
It was a shit idea, promoted by shysters and voted for by the gullible.
The reality is shit.
People who voted for it know it's shit.
The diehards on here will continue to wail against the dying of the light, but they know it's shit, they know they voted for the swivel eyed loons and closet racists.
All they have left is bravado.
The only right version of Brexit would have been the one where it didn't happen. Being in the EU had some negatives but nothing like the negatives of being outside it.
And you complain that Leavers won’t argue a case which you feel is axiomatically wrong? It’s like arguing the case for the Reformation with a Jesuit in about 1650
Brexit has made no difference to our economic performance which has been following the same (disappointing) trend ever since 2008.
This is simply a values argument. Which also explains why it never goes anywhere.
Exports to EU and world are at an all time high. GDP growth was highest in G7 before the punishment budget.
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Better than the US, France, Germany and most wealthy countries too. If I had to go elsewhere probably Netherlands or Portugal.
Life in Britain is, I am afraid, not better than life in the US, France. Germany or most western countries. The stats do not lie. Our GDP per capita is DECLINING, not least because we are letting in 1m people every fucking year
And yeah great Starmer may somehow get this down to 700,000 or 600,000, that's still 1 percent of the entire population, transforming the country in ways most people really do not like
We need zero net migration. We need a breather. STOP the migration and let's try and assimilate those who are here, and also give our public services and housing a chance to catch up
And this is not a partisan point. It's the Tories that pushed up migration to truly surreal levels. For which reason they do not deserve to come back in 2028. Give Reform a go
Reform are just another set of posh conmen who will fail to deliver what you want. Not sure why someone with your legendary iq can't understand it all comes down to demographics, not politicians empty promises.
Desperation?
Literally: desperation
The Tories failed dramatically. In so many ways. Starmer appears to be even worse, incredibly
What's left? The Lib Dems? Fucksake
We need a dramatic re-set and part of that must be a massive hard clampdown on migration, asylum and Wokeness. Reform will definitely do THAT
Do they have any other policies? Not really. But that's a start. And their advantage is they are a blank slate, they are rethinking from first principles. So there is therefore a slice of hope. As I said they should look to Bukele and Millei
The very last thing we need is a "dramatic reset".
"Clampdown on Wokeness" is about as stupid and content free an idea as either of the two main parties have come up with this century.
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
Also, remember that every extra 10-20% in boat arrivals adds one BILLION to our annual bill for housing these people in the Dorchester with their private manicurists
It is fucking ridiculous. If one thing will ever make the torpid British stand up and revolt, it will be this. We are spending five tines the savings from the WFA cut to make sure illegal migrants who hate us are nicely housed in hotels
We are letting our own pensioners die from cold so that illegally arrived Syrian jihadis plotting to kill us can live in workless luxury, in Britain
That is literally the case. Reform are gonna win by eight trillion votes in '28
They certainly won in St Helens last night but not maybe by trillions
Tories won the Stock county council by election yesterday in rural Essex though. Reform were second and Labour collapsed to fifth behind the LDs and an Independent https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1867605608838426951
UKIP scored heavily across East Anglia and the Thames Estuary, in 2013 in County Council elections.
I expect Reform will do similarly, but in addition, pick up seats in places like Durham, Lancashire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Cumbria.
I think Labour will be reduced to a similar score to 2009, and lose seats to everyone. The Tories will gain from Labour, but lose ground to Reform and Lib Dem’s.
Of course some European nations like Germany have more academically selective secondary schools than we do and Sweden has more free schools.
Most European countries make use of insurance to fund their healthcare systems too, they don't all use tax like the NHS
The problem with relying on insurance is that it means we are relying on insurance companies. Do you trust them to act in your best interests - or in their own?
Most European nations use state created insurance systems
The OECD figures quoted earlier indicated that an insurance system (state or otherwise) has higher admin costs. That does make sense as reimbursement has an admin overhead. Surely if you want to maximise your health outcomes / £ then you want to minimise your admin costs? It seems doubtful that there is any correlation between how the money is routed to the health provider and the health outcome.
Worst thing is we probably didn't even need to be bribed, so there's nothing gained whatsoever. The Football Association's decision to back Saudi Arabia's bid to host the 2034 World Cup was "not difficult" after organisers gave "a lot of commitments", its chair Debbie Hewitt says
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
I do think he thrives on stress and pressure. Where others would wilt, he does the opposite (of wilting). Has a 'turbo' button he can push when the situation demands it. Blair had it too, that button.
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Nope
There is no version of Brexit that isn't shit.
You can argue about the colour, texture or fragrance. but the substance remains.
It was a shit idea, promoted by shysters and voted for by the gullible.
The reality is shit.
People who voted for it know it's shit.
The diehards on here will continue to wail against the dying of the light, but they know it's shit, they know they voted for the swivel eyed loons and closet racists.
All they have left is bravado.
The only right version of Brexit would have been the one where it didn't happen. Being in the EU had some negatives but nothing like the negatives of being outside it.
And you complain that Leavers won’t argue a case which you feel is axiomatically wrong? It’s like arguing the case for the Reformation with a Jesuit in about 1650
Brexit has made no difference to our economic performance which has been following the same (disappointing) trend ever since 2008.
This is simply a values argument. Which also explains why it never goes anywhere.
Exports to EU and world are at an all time high. GDP growth was highest in G7 before the punishment budget.
I am still amazed at how Reeves thought that by taxing business it would help to grow the economy which then provides the means for good public services
Reeves actually put public services before growth and is 'disappointed ' with today's numbers
Worst thing is we probably didn't even need to be bribed, so there's nothing gained whatsoever. The Football Association's decision to back Saudi Arabia's bid to host the 2034 World Cup was "not difficult" after organisers gave "a lot of commitments", its chair Debbie Hewitt says
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Nope
There is no version of Brexit that isn't shit.
You can argue about the colour, texture or fragrance. but the substance remains.
It was a shit idea, promoted by shysters and voted for by the gullible.
The reality is shit.
People who voted for it know it's shit.
The diehards on here will continue to wail against the dying of the light, but they know it's shit, they know they voted for the swivel eyed loons and closet racists.
All they have left is bravado.
The only right version of Brexit would have been the one where it didn't happen. Being in the EU had some negatives but nothing like the negatives of being outside it.
And you complain that Leavers won’t argue a case which you feel is axiomatically wrong? It’s like arguing the case for the Reformation with a Jesuit in about 1650
Brexit has made no difference to our economic performance which has been following the same (disappointing) trend ever since 2008.
This is simply a values argument. Which also explains why it never goes anywhere.
Exports to EU and world are at an all time high. GDP growth was highest in G7 before the punishment budget.
I am still amazed at how Reeves thought that by taxing business it would help to grow the economy which then provides the means for good public services
Reeves actually put public services before growth and is 'disappointed ' with today's numbers
I was far more worried about civil society 15 years ago than I am now, with plenty of hoodies, antisocial behaviour, and petty violence on the streets. Plus active Islamist terror cells, all now largely gone.
The main concern I have now is solvency and security.
Voice of reason. Absolutely no reason to abandon the model. It just needs care and attention.
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
Also, remember that every extra 10-20% in boat arrivals adds one BILLION to our annual bill for housing these people in the Dorchester with their private manicurists
It is fucking ridiculous. If one thing will ever make the torpid British stand up and revolt, it will be this. We are spending five tines the savings from the WFA cut to make sure illegal migrants who hate us are nicely housed in hotels
We are letting our own pensioners die from cold so that illegally arrived Syrian jihadis plotting to kill us can live in workless luxury, in Britain
That is literally the case. Reform are gonna win by eight trillion votes in '28
They certainly won in St Helens last night but not maybe by trillions
Tories won the Stock county council by election yesterday in rural Essex though. Reform were second and Labour collapsed to fifth behind the LDs and an Independent https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1867605608838426951
UKIP scored heavily across East Anglia and the Thames Estuary, in 2013 in County Council elections.
I expect Reform will do similarly, but in addition, pick up seats in places like Durham, Lancashire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Cumbria.
I think Labour will be reduced to a similar score to 2009, and lose seats to everyone. The Tories will gain from Labour, but lose ground to Reform and Lib Dem’s.
Will we see tactical voting to keep Labour out ?
Quite likely. Tactical voting is a vote against unpopular incumbents.
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Better than the US, France, Germany and most wealthy countries too. If I had to go elsewhere probably Netherlands or Portugal.
Life in Britain is, I am afraid, not better than life in the US, France. Germany or most western countries. The stats do not lie. Our GDP per capita is DECLINING, not least because we are letting in 1m people every fucking year
And yeah great Starmer may somehow get this down to 700,000 or 600,000, that's still 1 percent of the entire population, transforming the country in ways most people really do not like
We need zero net migration. We need a breather. STOP the migration and let's try and assimilate those who are here, and also give our public services and housing a chance to catch up
And this is not a partisan point. It's the Tories that pushed up migration to truly surreal levels. For which reason they do not deserve to come back in 2028. Give Reform a go
Reform are just another set of posh conmen who will fail to deliver what you want. Not sure why someone with your legendary iq can't understand it all comes down to demographics, not politicians empty promises.
Desperation?
Literally: desperation
The Tories failed dramatically. In so many ways. Starmer appears to be even worse, incredibly
What's left? The Lib Dems? Fucksake
We need a dramatic re-set and part of that must be a massive hard clampdown on migration, asylum and Wokeness. Reform will definitely do THAT
Do they have any other policies? Not really. But that's a start. And their advantage is they are a blank slate, they are rethinking from first principles. So there is therefore a slice of hope. As I said they should look to Bukele and Millei
The very last thing we need is a "dramatic reset".
"Clampdown on Wokeness" is about as stupid and content free an idea as either of the two main parties have come up with this century.
So kudos for that.
Given your emotional reaction to the new Syrian regime, I thought you were all in favour of a clampdown on wokeness.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
I voted remain and the Remain campaign wasn’t very good. You need an elevator pitch to win - they didn’t come up with one.
How about "The Brexit lobby will take us to the basement"?
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
Also, remember that every extra 10-20% in boat arrivals adds one BILLION to our annual bill for housing these people in the Dorchester with their private manicurists
It is fucking ridiculous. If one thing will ever make the torpid British stand up and revolt, it will be this. We are spending five tines the savings from the WFA cut to make sure illegal migrants who hate us are nicely housed in hotels
We are letting our own pensioners die from cold so that illegally arrived Syrian jihadis plotting to kill us can live in workless luxury, in Britain
That is literally the case. Reform are gonna win by eight trillion votes in '28
There was a thing on Radio 5 about the NCA tackling the gangs by getting posts that lead people to gangs organising people trafficking removed* from social media. But they were talking about Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and other sites popular in the West. I couldn't help but wonder about the likes of WeChat, QQ, Line, Telegram and the many other major social media and instant messaging services that have little to no presence in the UK. It honestly sounded like they were only going after posts on sites with a UK or European presence. I hope the report was misleading because it sure wasn't encouraging.
* The number of posts removed didn't sound all that great either.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
I voted remain and the Remain campaign wasn’t very good. You need an elevator pitch to win - they didn’t come up with one.
How about "The Brexit lobby will take us to the basement"?
The elevator pitch needs to be positive.
Glad to hear you voted R anyway. You were one I wasn't sure of.
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
Also, remember that every extra 10-20% in boat arrivals adds one BILLION to our annual bill for housing these people in the Dorchester with their private manicurists
It is fucking ridiculous. If one thing will ever make the torpid British stand up and revolt, it will be this. We are spending five tines the savings from the WFA cut to make sure illegal migrants who hate us are nicely housed in hotels
We are letting our own pensioners die from cold so that illegally arrived Syrian jihadis plotting to kill us can live in workless luxury, in Britain
That is literally the case. Reform are gonna win by eight trillion votes in '28
They certainly won in St Helens last night but not maybe by trillions
Tories won the Stock county council by election yesterday in rural Essex though. Reform were second and Labour collapsed to fifth behind the LDs and an Independent https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1867605608838426951
UKIP scored heavily across East Anglia and the Thames Estuary, in 2013 in County Council elections.
I expect Reform will do similarly, but in addition, pick up seats in places like Durham, Lancashire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Cumbria.
I think Labour will be reduced to a similar score to 2009, and lose seats to everyone. The Tories will gain from Labour, but lose ground to Reform and Lib Dem’s.
Yes Reform likely win ex industrial and seaside towns, the Tories win market towns and villages and rural shires, the LDs win cathedral cities and posh commuter towns.
With London and most big cities not having local elections next year Labour could be near wiped out in the county council elections
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
The remain campaign was fine. Project fear, use of the bully pulpit of Government combined with demonising Brexit supporters. Those were the cards they had and they played them.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Nope
There is no version of Brexit that isn't shit.
You can argue about the colour, texture or fragrance. but the substance remains.
It was a shit idea, promoted by shysters and voted for by the gullible.
The reality is shit.
People who voted for it know it's shit.
The diehards on here will continue to wail against the dying of the light, but they know it's shit, they know they voted for the swivel eyed loons and closet racists.
All they have left is bravado.
The only right version of Brexit would have been the one where it didn't happen. Being in the EU had some negatives but nothing like the negatives of being outside it.
And you complain that Leavers won’t argue a case which you feel is axiomatically wrong? It’s like arguing the case for the Reformation with a Jesuit in about 1650
Brexit has made no difference to our economic performance which has been following the same (disappointing) trend ever since 2008.
This is simply a values argument. Which also explains why it never goes anywhere.
08 being the bank crash that we were more exposed to than almost any other country.
After Japan's crash in the late 80s they barely grew for decades.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
They don't have history like we do old boy. They tore it up - thank god we kept ours - Alfred and the cakes.
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
Also, remember that every extra 10-20% in boat arrivals adds one BILLION to our annual bill for housing these people in the Dorchester with their private manicurists
It is fucking ridiculous. If one thing will ever make the torpid British stand up and revolt, it will be this. We are spending five tines the savings from the WFA cut to make sure illegal migrants who hate us are nicely housed in hotels
We are letting our own pensioners die from cold so that illegally arrived Syrian jihadis plotting to kill us can live in workless luxury, in Britain
That is literally the case. Reform are gonna win by eight trillion votes in '28
They certainly won in St Helens last night but not maybe by trillions
Tories won the Stock county council by election yesterday in rural Essex though. Reform were second and Labour collapsed to fifth behind the LDs and an Independent https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1867605608838426951
UKIP scored heavily across East Anglia and the Thames Estuary, in 2013 in County Council elections.
I expect Reform will do similarly, but in addition, pick up seats in places like Durham, Lancashire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Cumbria.
I think Labour will be reduced to a similar score to 2009, and lose seats to everyone. The Tories will gain from Labour, but lose ground to Reform and Lib Dem’s.
Yes Reform likely win ex industrial and seaside towns, the Tories win market towns and villages and rural shires, the LDs win cathedral cities and posh commuter towns.
With London and most big cities not having local elections next year Labour could be near wiped out in the county council elections
Labour lose to LibDems, Tories to Reform. Both lose some to Greens,
Which, although I’d like it to for LibDems, won’t mean a lot for 2029.
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Better than the US, France, Germany and most wealthy countries too. If I had to go elsewhere probably Netherlands or Portugal.
Life in Britain is, I am afraid, not better than life in the US, France. Germany or most western countries. The stats do not lie. Our GDP per capita is DECLINING, not least because we are letting in 1m people every fucking year
And yeah great Starmer may somehow get this down to 700,000 or 600,000, that's still 1 percent of the entire population, transforming the country in ways most people really do not like
We need zero net migration. We need a breather. STOP the migration and let's try and assimilate those who are here, and also give our public services and housing a chance to catch up
And this is not a partisan point. It's the Tories that pushed up migration to truly surreal levels. For which reason they do not deserve to come back in 2028. Give Reform a go
Reform are just another set of posh conmen who will fail to deliver what you want. Not sure why someone with your legendary iq can't understand it all comes down to demographics, not politicians empty promises.
Desperation?
Literally: desperation
The Tories failed dramatically. In so many ways. Starmer appears to be even worse, incredibly
What's left? The Lib Dems? Fucksake
We need a dramatic re-set and part of that must be a massive hard clampdown on migration, asylum and Wokeness. Reform will definitely do THAT
Do they have any other policies? Not really. But that's a start. And their advantage is they are a blank slate, they are rethinking from first principles. So there is therefore a slice of hope. As I said they should look to Bukele and Millei
The very last thing we need is a "dramatic reset".
"Clampdown on Wokeness" is about as stupid and content free an idea as either of the two main parties have come up with this century.
So kudos for that.
It would be sinister if it weren't mainly for show.
The remain campaign was fine. Project fear, use of the bully pulpit of Government combined with demonising Brexit supporters. Those were the cards they had and they played them.
Indeed - with Campbell or Mandelson in charge, instead of Jack Straw's stoner son, it may well have succeeded.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
They don't have history like we do old boy. They tore it up - thank god we kept ours - Alfred and the cakes.
That was English history. Torn up by William the Bastard.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
They don't have history like we do old boy. They tore it up - thank god we kept ours - Alfred and the cakes.
That was English history. Torn up by William the Bastard.
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Nope
There is no version of Brexit that isn't shit.
You can argue about the colour, texture or fragrance. but the substance remains.
It was a shit idea, promoted by shysters and voted for by the gullible.
The reality is shit.
People who voted for it know it's shit.
The diehards on here will continue to wail against the dying of the light, but they know it's shit, they know they voted for the swivel eyed loons and closet racists.
All they have left is bravado.
The only right version of Brexit would have been the one where it didn't happen. Being in the EU had some negatives but nothing like the negatives of being outside it.
And you complain that Leavers won’t argue a case which you feel is axiomatically wrong? It’s like arguing the case for the Reformation with a Jesuit in about 1650
Brexit has made no difference to our economic performance which has been following the same (disappointing) trend ever since 2008.
This is simply a values argument. Which also explains why it never goes anywhere.
08 being the bank crash that we were more exposed to than almost any other country.
After Japan's crash in the late 80s they barely grew for decades.
And we very unwisely dealt with it by bailing out banks. Oh, gosh, we've barely grown for decades.
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Better than the US, France, Germany and most wealthy countries too. If I had to go elsewhere probably Netherlands or Portugal.
Life in Britain is, I am afraid, not better than life in the US, France. Germany or most western countries. The stats do not lie. Our GDP per capita is DECLINING, not least because we are letting in 1m people every fucking year
And yeah great Starmer may somehow get this down to 700,000 or 600,000, that's still 1 percent of the entire population, transforming the country in ways most people really do not like
We need zero net migration. We need a breather. STOP the migration and let's try and assimilate those who are here, and also give our public services and housing a chance to catch up
And this is not a partisan point. It's the Tories that pushed up migration to truly surreal levels. For which reason they do not deserve to come back in 2028. Give Reform a go
Reform are just another set of posh conmen who will fail to deliver what you want. Not sure why someone with your legendary iq can't understand it all comes down to demographics, not politicians empty promises.
Desperation?
Literally: desperation
The Tories failed dramatically. In so many ways. Starmer appears to be even worse, incredibly
What's left? The Lib Dems? Fucksake
We need a dramatic re-set and part of that must be a massive hard clampdown on migration, asylum and Wokeness. Reform will definitely do THAT
Do they have any other policies? Not really. But that's a start. And their advantage is they are a blank slate, they are rethinking from first principles. So there is therefore a slice of hope. As I said they should look to Bukele and Millei
The very last thing we need is a "dramatic reset".
You think more of what we have done in the last 40 years, the very things that got us to this position is going to fix anything? Hands you the dried frog pools in the hope you start hallucinating you are sane
The remain campaign was fine. Project fear, use of the bully pulpit of Government combined with demonising Brexit supporters. Those were the cards they had and they played them.
Indeed - with Campbell or Mandelson in charge, instead of Jack Straw's stoner son, it may well have succeeded.
Conversely, I always thought Vote Leave was a pile of crap. Crappy message (Take Back Control) crappy comms, crappy social media. In a binary result, the loser always gets panned and the winner praised as a strategic genius, but I think Vote Leave cost Leave a far more pronounced victory.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
They don't have history like we do old boy. They tore it up - thank god we kept ours - Alfred and the cakes.
That was English history. Torn up by William the Bastard.
Who was French, like most of the English [sic] ruling class he put into place.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
They don't have history like we do old boy. They tore it up - thank god we kept ours - Alfred and the cakes.
That was English history. Torn up by William the Bastard.
Who was French, like most of the English [sic] ruling class he put into place.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
They don't have history like we do old boy. They tore it up - thank god we kept ours - Alfred and the cakes.
That was English history. Torn up by William the Bastard.
Who was French, like most of the English [sic] ruling class he put into place.
He wasn't French, he was a Norman.
Born in France, spoke French, but not French because of his ancestry?
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
They don't have history like we do old boy. They tore it up - thank god we kept ours - Alfred and the cakes.
That was English history. Torn up by William the Bastard.
Who was French, like most of the English [sic] ruling class he put into place.
HTS's Political Affairs Department hands over the American Travis Timmerman to American military officials. Doesn't say location, but imagine either Tanf or Deir al-Zour. https://x.com/azelin/status/1867642546249511007
Whatever else they turn out to be, which remains to be seen, they're more pragmatic that the Taliban..
HTS's Political Affairs Department hands over the American Travis Timmerman to American military officials. Doesn't say location, but imagine either Tanf or Deir al-Zour. https://x.com/azelin/status/1867642546249511007
Whatever else they turn out to be, which remains to be seen, they're more pragmatic that the Taliban..
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
They don't have history like we do old boy. They tore it up - thank god we kept ours - Alfred and the cakes.
That was English history. Torn up by William the Bastard.
Who was French, like most of the English [sic] ruling class he put into place.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
They don't have history like we do old boy. They tore it up - thank god we kept ours - Alfred and the cakes.
That was English history. Torn up by William the Bastard.
There was an interesting couple of minutes in a David Mitchell book-plugging interview. Do kings really matter? If Harold had won the Battle of Hastings, we'd have kept our Scandi-leaning royals but would economics and geography have meant England realigning itself towards France anyway?
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
They don't have history like we do old boy. They tore it up - thank god we kept ours - Alfred and the cakes.
That was English history. Torn up by William the Bastard.
Who was French, like most of the English [sic] ruling class he put into place.
He wasn't French, he was a Norman.
Born in France, spoke French, but not French because of his ancestry?
Normandy wasn’t part of France at the time, a separate Duchy, spoke Norman French, a dialect. So like saying someone Australian or Canadian in 1900 was British.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
They don't have history like we do old boy. They tore it up - thank god we kept ours - Alfred and the cakes.
That was English history. Torn up by William the Bastard.
Who was French, like most of the English [sic] ruling class he put into place.
He wasn't French, he was a Norman.
Born in France, spoke French, but not French because of his ancestry?
It was known as the Norman Conquest, not the French Conquest.
HTS's Political Affairs Department hands over the American Travis Timmerman to American military officials. Doesn't say location, but imagine either Tanf or Deir al-Zour. https://x.com/azelin/status/1867642546249511007
Whatever else they turn out to be, which remains to be seen, they're more pragmatic that the Taliban..
Will they hand over Austin Tice ?
If they find him, I guess ? He may not be alive, though.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
They don't have history like we do old boy. They tore it up - thank god we kept ours - Alfred and the cakes.
That was English history. Torn up by William the Bastard.
Who was French, like most of the English [sic] ruling class he put into place.
He wasn't French, he was a Norman.
Born in France, spoke French, but not French because of his ancestry?
Normandy wasn’t part of France at the time, a separate Duchy, spoke Norman French, a dialect. So like saying someone Australian or Canadian in 1900 was British.
Someone Australian or Canadian in 1900 was indeed British and considered themselves to be so too.
The remain campaign was fine. Project fear, use of the bully pulpit of Government combined with demonising Brexit supporters. Those were the cards they had and they played them.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
He might turn out to be right on that.
Yes, Macron looks to be between la rock and la hard place. He needs to find a way to placate the sans culottes.
Got a weird feeling Macron might enjoy being between The Rock and a Hard Place
Macron was arguably the original populist with his centrist papa En Marche.
Perhaps the original of this wave. I'm sure he saw his programme as something unique. Perhaps it was slightly. France would do well to not throw him off a cliff. (I know windows are all the rage in Putin-ville, but I'm a traditionalist).
Macron can't run for a third term anymore than Trump can now
They don't have history like we do old boy. They tore it up - thank god we kept ours - Alfred and the cakes.
That was English history. Torn up by William the Bastard.
Who was French, like most of the English [sic] ruling class he put into place.
He wasn't French, he was a Norman.
Born in France, spoke French, but not French because of his ancestry?
Normandy wasn’t part of France at the time, a separate Duchy, spoke Norman French, a dialect. So like saying someone Australian or Canadian in 1900 was British.
He was still a b’std though, to anyone who opposed him. Witness the Harrying of the North.
The remain campaign was fine. Project fear, use of the bully pulpit of Government combined with demonising Brexit supporters. Those were the cards they had and they played them.
And they used Obama!!!!!
I voted Remain, and would so in a heartbeat again, but Leave seized the initiative and kept it. Sadly.
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There is no version of Brexit that isn't shit.
You can argue about the colour, texture or fragrance. but the substance remains.
It was a shit idea, promoted by shysters and voted for by the gullible.
The reality is shit.
People who voted for it know it's shit.
The diehards on here will continue to wail against the dying of the light, but they know it's shit, they know they voted for the swivel eyed loons and closet racists.
All they have left is bravado.
As he's a lawyer, it will always be somebody else's fault.
As he's a quangocrat, the solution will be more power for him and his kind, even if it was his incompetence that caused the problem in the first place.
And as he's a socialist, everybody else gets to pay for it.
Your not having the intelligence or insight to avoid toying with every passing proto-fascist certainly isn't the answer.
Keep up the good fight Big_G - and OKC and Mrs OKC!
As an aside, imo nothing, but NOTHING is more valuable than good health. Whatever we spend on it as a nation would ever be enough.
I voted remain but accepted the vote
The only way to reverse it is a manifesto commitment to rejoin at the next GE by the winning party or another referendum
I fear you will have a long wait as nobody knows what the EU will look like in years to come or their terms to rejoin
So it may be happening, but by-elections are inconsistent signs of it.
https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1867633703721349383
"This will not affect the pound in your pocket."
Also - remember 1 January is a public holiday but so is 2 January (or the weekday equivs).
I was far more worried about civil society 15 years ago than I am now, with plenty of hoodies, antisocial behaviour, and petty violence on the streets. Plus active Islamist terror cells, all now largely gone.
The main concern I have now is solvency and security.
So yeah anyway I am invested in the future because of THEM. I can’t just drink myself happily to death much as I try. I want a better world - and an unruined west - for them
https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1867605608838426951
Likely plan for 2025 is Christmas in the Lakes and New Year in London.
Being in the EU had some negatives but nothing like the negatives of being outside it.
The Football Association's decision to back Saudi Arabia's bid to host the 2034 World Cup was "not difficult" after organisers gave "a lot of commitments", its chair Debbie Hewitt says
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c5y85d4x5e6o
The amusing part is the point about time to make sure commitments are delivered, as if there is any possility it might not happen if they are not.
Undetected aneurysms are the cause of death of 500,000 people worldwide each year, and in the UK screening is offered to all men when they become 65
In my case it was small requiring an annual ultrasound test, and I had my annual test 4 weeks ago and it had grown slightly but was still small. Larger ones require surgery but knowing you have one can be a lifesaver
Surprisingly my follow on tests found last Christmas that I needed an urgent pacemaker, and it is not connected to either my dvt or aneurysms, but the good thing is at present all my tests are positive
I would say I am restricted in my alcohol intake but I an virtually TT so it is not a concern
I would urge all fellow PBs to have regular health checks as they can be life saving
I expect Reform will do similarly, but in addition, pick up seats in places like Durham, Lancashire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Cumbria.
I think Labour will be reduced to a similar score to 2009, and lose seats to everyone. The Tories will gain from Labour, but lose ground to Reform and Lib Dem’s.
This is simply a values argument. Which also explains why it never goes anywhere.
The downsides are clearly apparent, hence the polling indicating that the UK public regret it happening.
So kudos for that.
Surely if you want to maximise your health outcomes / £ then you want to minimise your admin costs?
It seems doubtful that there is any correlation between how the money is routed to the health provider and the health outcome.
Reeves actually put public services before growth and is 'disappointed ' with today's numbers
https://x.com/rachelreevesmp/status/1867640598423121960
Banking hubs are revitalising our high streets, giving local businesses and residents access to essential face to face banking services.
Delighted to be in Darwen today with @TulipSiddiq and @AndyMacnae opening the UK's 100th banking hub.
* The number of posts removed didn't sound all that great either.
With London and most big cities not having local elections next year Labour could be near wiped out in the county council elections
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/12/10/environmentalism-feminism-liberalism-and-socialism-are-the-favourite-ideologies-of-brits/
After Japan's crash in the late 80s they barely grew for decades.
Which, although I’d like it to for LibDems, won’t mean a lot for 2029.
https://x.com/azelin/status/1867642546249511007
Whatever else they turn out to be, which remains to be seen, they're more pragmatic that the Taliban..
Who Was The Best English Monarch? David Mitchell Rates The Royals! (half hour video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqwMLCh8RnE
He may not be alive, though.
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