This is actually good news. Maybe Britons have finally realised the NHS is mediocre, at best, with the odd shining aspect and multiple failings, and we can quit worshipping the Envy of the World, and actually fix it
Because Brits are right. European mainlanders have better healthcare
I disagree with my fellow Brits on schools. British or rather English schools are pretty good by European standards, certainly nearer the top than the bottom
The narrative about sunset times (widely available on an internet connected device near you) ranks right up there with Guess Boris' Weight and My Favourite Crisp Sandwich in the annals of PB Dull Man Mundanity.
Can't someone start an argument or something?
e.g.
• Cash is great • All Welsh roads should be reduced to 3mph limits • The tube scene from Darkest Hour is the epitome of great cinema
The narrative about sunset times (widely available on an internet connected device near you) ranks right up there with Guess Boris' Weight and My Favourite Crisp Sandwich in the annals of PB Dull Man Mundanity.
Can't someone start an argument or something?
e.g.
• Cash is great • All Welsh roads should be reduced to 3mph limits • The tube scene from Darkest Hour is the epitome of great cinema
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
The grass is greener?
I think so. Middle class England think all of France lives like in a Year in Provence. It's based on holidays. Whereas if you actually live and work r there its got lots of as much crap as we have.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
The figures did surprise me. Our rightingers are always complaining about unpatriotically doing down the UK, so you'd expect at least Con + Reform to correspond to 'better in UK', but they don't.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Education, I think we perform slightly better than European peers on reading and science, but only in line on maths. I think we do a poor job, however, with vocational training for 16 to 18 year olds compared to -say- Germany or Switzerland or the Nordics.
On the education question I think we’d see much betters results for the UK if the question asked about private schools as British private schools produce the best people.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Education, I think we perform slightly better than European peers on reading and science, but only in line on maths. I think we do a poor job, however, with vocational training for 16 to 18 year olds compared to -say- Germany or Switzerland or the Nordics.
Shit: that was almost exactly the same comment as @Leon. Now I have to go beat myself with sticks.
On the education question I think we’d see much betters results for the UK if the question asked about private schools as British private schools produce the best people.
No-one denied that Europe is better in many ways. The story people were told during the referendum campaign was that their agreeable, luxurious lifestyle was achieved at British expense.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Perhaps the lesson of the reaction to the murder of the United Healthcare CEO is that the key question is how you ensure legitimacy for decisions to ration care. The NHS treads a fine line.
OT my decluttering has reached old memos and specifications from the last 30 years or so, and what stands out is the decline in paper quality over that period, from 100 gsm down through 80 and 60 all the way to you'd want to double it up before risking it as toilet paper.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
The grass is greener?
I think so. Middle class England think all of France lives like in a Year in Provence. It's based on holidays. Whereas if you actually live and work r there its got lots of as much crap as we have.
I disagree. I think life in France is generally superior in multiple ways
Nicer towns and cities, sometimes MUCH nicer. Better weather. Much more space, and all that comes with it
We have much better universities, a vastly superior language, a more dynamic and interesting capital (tho they are both world cities), a more good-humoured population, more laughing in general, and nothing in France, for all its beauty, quite matches the Highlands and Islands of Scotland
They have a better sense of their Frenchness and why it should be defended, on the other hand Frechness is under even more attack than Britishness, in various subtle ways. Both are falling behind technologically, and fast, and both face economic stagnation, tho they are stagnating from a better place. We have many more friends abroad, they have their EU alliances
We are largely free of EU over-reach, thank God, but they have the luxury of Free Movement
Both will end up with hard right governments soon enough, in a desperate attempt to get things changed
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Most of the polls from the early 2010s had quite big leads for Leave. In was incredible hubris for Cameron to think that putting his stamp on a 'deal' would swing the referendum.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Perhaps the lesson of the reaction to the murder of the United Healthcare CEO is that the key question is how you ensure legitimacy for decisions to ration care. The NHS treads a fine line.
My instinctual reaction is that it is very different, because the US insurers are not 'rationing care' as much as maximising profits.
This is actually good news. Maybe Britons have finally realised the NHS is mediocre, at best, with the odd shining aspect and multiple failings, and we can quit worshipping the Envy of the World, and actually fix it
Because Brits are right. European mainlanders have better healthcare
I disagree with my fellow Brits on schools. British or rather English schools are pretty good by European standards, certainly nearer the top than the bottom
Having just read on the previous thread that you found a contestant on master chef called Chloe attractive I googled her. I have now realised that Camden and it’s surrounds are not dark, and there is no Stygian gloom, it’s just that your eyesight is fundamentally fucked.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
Not if they can’t get their cataracts done.
Assad should get on a dinghy and claim asylum in Deal, he WOULD actually be one of the many Syrian "doctors and engineers" that the refugee charity wankers claim are always on the boats
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Perhaps the lesson of the reaction to the murder of the United Healthcare CEO is that the key question is how you ensure legitimacy for decisions to ration care. The NHS treads a fine line.
My instinctual reaction is that it is very different, because the US insurers are not 'rationing care' as much as maximising profits.
The nature of the decisions is the same though. Lots of the complaints that people raised were of the form "I wanted treatment x but was told it was too expensive and unnecessary because treatment y is sufficient".
This is actually good news. Maybe Britons have finally realised the NHS is mediocre, at best, with the odd shining aspect and multiple failings, and we can quit worshipping the Envy of the World, and actually fix it
Because Brits are right. European mainlanders have better healthcare
I disagree with my fellow Brits on schools. British or rather English schools are pretty good by European standards, certainly nearer the top than the bottom
Having just read on the previous thread that you found a contestant on master chef called Chloe attractive I googled her. I have now realised that Camden and it’s surrounds are not dark, and there is no Stygian gloom, it’s just that your eyesight is fundamentally fucked.
lol!
Not a classic beauty, I readily accept, I just have a weird thing for petite feisty working class British girls. And she was exactly that, short but fierce
Probably because some of my best sex ever has been with that type, tho they were usually prettier
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
The grass is greener?
I think so. Middle class England think all of France lives like in a Year in Provence. It's based on holidays. Whereas if you actually live and work r there its got lots of as much crap as we have.
I disagree. I think life in France is generally superior in multiple ways
Nicer towns and cities, sometimes MUCH nicer. Better weather. Much more space, and all that comes with it
We have much better universities, a vastly superior language, a more dynamic and interesting capital (tho they are both world cities), a more good-humoured population, more laughing in general, and nothing in France, for all its beauty, quite matches the Highlands and Islands of Scotland
They have a better sense of their Frenchness and why it should be defended, on the other hand Frechness is under even more attack than Britishness, in various subtle ways. Both are falling behind technologically, and fast, and both face economic stagnation, tho they are stagnating from a better place. We have many more friends abroad, they have their EU alliances
We are largely free of EU over-reach, thank God, but they have the luxury of Free Movement
Both will end up with hard right governments soon enough, in a desperate attempt to get things changed
France has most ocean, according to a video randomly served by YouTube yesterday, thanks to its umpteen overseas departments each with its own territorial waters.
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
The problem is a kind of low-grade crappiness, I'm generally positive about how things are still great in a global sense, but nothing seems to work properly, everything is too slow or too expensive, and it just wears you down.
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
The problem is a kind of low-grade crappiness, I'm generally positive about how things are still great in a global sense, but nothing seems to work properly, everything is too slow or too expensive, and it just wears you down.
Actually, I think things in this country work fairly well most of the time. It is just that we notice when things fail much more.
(That's not to say things could not be better; I just don't think they're as bad as people make out. I'd still rather live in the UK than any other country.)
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
The problem is a kind of low-grade crappiness, I'm generally positive about how things are still great in a global sense, but nothing seems to work properly, everything is too slow or too expensive, and it just wears you down.
Yes, you nail something there
"Low grade crappiness"
That's it. It's not enough to get you out on the streets chucking Molotovs, but it is enough to grind you slowly into a form of inert pessimism
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Education, I think we perform slightly better than European peers on reading and science, but only in line on maths. I think we do a poor job, however, with vocational training for 16 to 18 year olds compared to -say- Germany or Switzerland or the Nordics.
Shit: that was almost exactly the same comment as @Leon. Now I have to go beat myself with sticks.
On the NHS
The cultural change from “accept what you are given by The People in Charge” to “I am a customer” has had an effect.
I think the immigrant population has had an effect as well - my wife comes from a country where nearly all medical care is paid for (very basic public hospitals) and she expects quality. And demands it.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Most of the polls from the early 2010s had quite big leads for Leave. In was incredible hubris for Cameron to think that putting his stamp on a 'deal' would swing the referendum.
Cameron's hubris came from believing he had won the 2010 election, AV and Scottish independence referendums (or referenda, as his arch-nemesis Boris would probably say). And he had, technically, but he converted clear polling leads into a hung parliament against Labour struggling to recover from the GFC, and had similarly thrown away a clear Sindy lead.
Cameron and Osborne's fear-stoking, negative campaigning was not the success both men thought.
Cameron also believed the Eurosceptics' propaganda that the EU is a racket run by Germany, and so tried to negotiate directly with Angela Merkel rather than Brussels. And he begged for any deal, rather than asking for anything in particular. Cameron was also, imo, at heart a Leaver, or at best a transactional Eurosceptic rather than a Euro-enthusiast. Always keep tight hold of nurse...
I'm just old enough to remember the 3 Day week. Actual extra darkness, alongside a pervasive sense of national decline and a sequence of shittier governments, plus nuclear menace and inflation and the rest
That is what Britain feels like now, but worse, in some ways (the crush of migratiion) but also better (tech might save us), and also worse (the music is now shite)
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
I voted remain and the Remain campaign wasn’t very good. You need an elevator pitch to win - they didn’t come up with one.
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Oh do shut the fuck up
Brexit was the right decision because of democracy and sovereignty. That remains true. I would vote for it again for those reasons DESPITE the terrible poonami of crap that has come with Brexit
We've told you this a trillion times but then you dismiss it as a non-argument - "we were sovereign in the EU! We could always leave!" - so we can't have a debate because you guys don't accept there is a basis for debate. Then you complain there is no debate. Go jump in the Thames
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
Wonder what the outcome of similar polling in France or Germany would look like?
Similar, I am sure
Exactly. Macron and Scholz no more popular than Sir Keir. Ominous outlook for all with Ukraine, Trump, struggling economy, and the populists on the move. It can all feel bit like the locust years of yore.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
I voted remain and the Remain campaign wasn’t very good. You need an elevator pitch to win - they didn’t come up with one.
How about "The Brexit lobby will take us to the basement"?
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Better than the US, France, Germany and most wealthy countries too. If I had to go elsewhere probably Netherlands or Portugal.
I'm just old enough to remember the 3 Day week. Actual extra darkness, alongside a pervasive sense of national decline and a sequence of shittier governments, plus nuclear menace and inflation and the rest
That is what Britain feels like now, but worse, in some ways (the crush of migratiion) but also better (tech might save us), and also worse (the music is now shite)
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
Wonder what the outcome of similar polling in France or Germany would look like?
Similar, I am sure
Exactly. Macron and Scholz no more popular than Sir Keir. Ominous outlook for all with Ukraine, Trump, struggling economy, and the populists on the move. It can all feel bit like the locust years of yore.
We need a mix of Javier Millei and Nayib Bukele. Hard right on crime, migration and social issues and free market on economics
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
The problem is a kind of low-grade crappiness, I'm generally positive about how things are still great in a global sense, but nothing seems to work properly, everything is too slow or too expensive, and it just wears you down.
(That's not to say things could not be better; I just don't think they're as bad as people make out. I'd still rather live in the UK than any other country.)
But that's just it, I would too, but I cannot ignore that care, the courts, roadworks, any number of things, are just not done very well, and there is a general political sense that it is all beyond us, because we're getting poorer, not richer.
I'm grateful to live here and not rural Somalia, but that's not the kind of comparison we make in our day to day lives. We expect better than we get, sometimes unreasonably, but basic stuff breaks down too much.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Education, I think we perform slightly better than European peers on reading and science, but only in line on maths. I think we do a poor job, however, with vocational training for 16 to 18 year olds compared to -say- Germany or Switzerland or the Nordics.
Shit: that was almost exactly the same comment as @Leon. Now I have to go beat myself with sticks.
On the NHS
The cultural change from “accept what you are given by The People in Charge” to “I am a customer” has had an effect.
I think the immigrant population has had an effect as well - my wife comes from a country where nearly all medical care is paid for (very basic public hospitals) and she expects quality. And demands it.
Just had best part of a day with the NHS. Mrs C had 'a funny turn'. Called 111. This was about 11am on Wednesday. Someone 'technical' ... as opposed to call handler ....got back to us about 12.30. After discussion, felt an ambulance as necessary. 12.30am Thursday the ambulance arrived. Very helpful, thoughtful crew. 2.15 am we arrived at A&E. Obviously very busy. 3am Mrs C's bed was in a queue in the corridor outside A&E 'wards'. There were then various visits from specialists of various sorts resulting in: 8am Decided that Mrs C (and me, who'd been 'sort of' holding her hand sine 2am) could go home with appropriate advice. 9.15 am discharge procedures completed. Did we want hospital transport? How long would it be? Don't know. 9.45 am We got a taxi. 10.15am home.
What do I think? Once we were in the system, couldn't really complain. We weren't left for long without "something happening'! Tests were conducted in the small hours, we were visited by appropriate staff 4,5,6am. Getting out was a bit of a mess, but the face-to-face staff were, at all times, excellent.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
The grass is greener?
I think so. Middle class England think all of France lives like in a Year in Provence. It's based on holidays. Whereas if you actually live and work r there its got lots of as much crap as we have.
I disagree. I think life in France is generally superior in multiple ways
Nicer towns and cities, sometimes MUCH nicer. Better weather. Much more space, and all that comes with it
We have much better universities, a vastly superior language, a more dynamic and interesting capital (tho they are both world cities), a more good-humoured population, more laughing in general, and nothing in France, for all its beauty, quite matches the Highlands and Islands of Scotland
They have a better sense of their Frenchness and why it should be defended, on the other hand Frechness is under even more attack than Britishness, in various subtle ways. Both are falling behind technologically, and fast, and both face economic stagnation, tho they are stagnating from a better place. We have many more friends abroad, they have their EU alliances
We are largely free of EU over-reach, thank God, but they have the luxury of Free Movement
Both will end up with hard right governments soon enough, in a desperate attempt to get things changed
Yes, but one of the issues with “Europe is better” - which I too find very seductive after returning from one of my trips - is that we go to the European spots aimed at providing sea and sun and great food to visiting foreigners. We don’t visit the European equivalents of Northampton or Skegness or Walsall (although I do my best to take my trips off the beaten track).
It’s a sad fact that nowadays many younger Italians do rely on fast food for their meals, and don’t dine out at the sort of places that visiting Brits frequent, returning home imagining that Italian food culture is alive and well
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Better than the US, France, Germany and most wealthy countries too. If I had to go elsewhere probably Netherlands or Portugal.
Life in Britain is, I am afraid, not better than life in the US, France. Germany or most western countries. The stats do not lie. Our GDP per capita is DECLINING, not least because we are letting in 1m people every fucking year
And yeah great Starmer may somehow get this down to 700,000 or 600,000, that's still 1 percent of the entire population, transforming the country in ways most people really do not like
We need zero net migration. We need a breather. STOP the migration and let's try and assimilate those who are here, and also give our public services and housing a chance to catch up
And this is not a partisan point. It's the Tories that pushed up migration to truly surreal levels. For which reason they do not deserve to come back in 2028. Give Reform a go
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Better than the US, France, Germany and most wealthy countries too. If I had to go elsewhere probably Netherlands or Portugal.
Life in Britain is, I am afraid, not better than life in the US, France. Germany or most western countries. The stats do not lie. Our GDP per capita is DECLINING, not least because we are letting in 1m people every fucking year
And yeah great Starmer may somehow get this down to 700,000 or 600,000, that's still 1 percent of the entire population, transforming the country in ways most people really do not like
We need zero net migration. We need a breather. STOP the migration and let's try and assimilate those who are here, and also give our public services and housing a chance to catch up
And this is not a partisan point. It's the Tories that pushed up migration to truly surreal levels. For which reason they do not deserve to come back in 2028. Give Reform a go
Reform are just another set of posh conmen who will fail to deliver what you want. Not sure why someone with your legendary iq can't understand it all comes down to demographics, not politicians empty promises.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
The grass is greener?
I think so. Middle class England think all of France lives like in a Year in Provence. It's based on holidays. Whereas if you actually live and work r there its got lots of as much crap as we have.
I disagree. I think life in France is generally superior in multiple ways
Nicer towns and cities, sometimes MUCH nicer. Better weather. Much more space, and all that comes with it
We have much better universities, a vastly superior language, a more dynamic and interesting capital (tho they are both world cities), a more good-humoured population, more laughing in general, and nothing in France, for all its beauty, quite matches the Highlands and Islands of Scotland
They have a better sense of their Frenchness and why it should be defended, on the other hand Frechness is under even more attack than Britishness, in various subtle ways. Both are falling behind technologically, and fast, and both face economic stagnation, tho they are stagnating from a better place. We have many more friends abroad, they have their EU alliances
We are largely free of EU over-reach, thank God, but they have the luxury of Free Movement
Both will end up with hard right governments soon enough, in a desperate attempt to get things changed
Yes, but one of the issues with “Europe is better” - which I too find very seductive after returning from one of my trips - is that we go to the European spots aimed at providing sea and sun and great food to visiting foreigners. We don’t visit the European equivalents of Northampton or Skegness or Walsall (although I do my best to take my trips off the beaten track).
It’s a sad fact that nowadays many younger Italians do rely on fast food for their meals, and don’t dine out at the sort of places that visiting Brits frequent, returning home imagining that Italian food culture is alive and well
I go all over countries I visit, and I make it my job to visit the shitty areas as well as the tourist honeypots. Partly because I LIKE the shitty bits, they are more interesting., Ex pb-er @SeanT captured this spirit in this piece
I've seen the worst of Italy and France and elsewhere. They are generally not quite as bad as the worst of the UK, tho both have some true horrors. eg the worst towns of Calabria are seriously nastier than anything in the UK
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Education, I think we perform slightly better than European peers on reading and science, but only in line on maths. I think we do a poor job, however, with vocational training for 16 to 18 year olds compared to -say- Germany or Switzerland or the Nordics.
Shit: that was almost exactly the same comment as @Leon. Now I have to go beat myself with sticks.
On the NHS
The cultural change from “accept what you are given by The People in Charge” to “I am a customer” has had an effect.
I think the immigrant population has had an effect as well - my wife comes from a country where nearly all medical care is paid for (very basic public hospitals) and she expects quality. And demands it.
Just had best part of a day with the NHS. Mrs C had 'a funny turn'. Called 111. This was about 11am on Wednesday. Someone 'technical' ... as opposed to call handler ....got back to us about 12.30. After discussion, felt an ambulance as necessary. 12.30am Thursday the ambulance arrived. Very helpful, thoughtful crew. 2.15 am we arrived at A&E. Obviously very busy. 3am Mrs C's bed was in a queue in the corridor outside A&E 'wards'. There were then various visits from specialists of various sorts resulting in: 8am Decided that Mrs C (and me, who'd been 'sort of' holding her hand sine 2am) could go home with appropriate advice. 9.15 am discharge procedures completed. Did we want hospital transport? How long would it be? Don't know. 9.45 am We got a taxi. 10.15am home.
What do I think. Once we were in the system, couldn't really complain. We weren't left for long without "something happening'! Tests were conducted in the small hours, we were visited by appropriate staff 4,5,6am. Getting out was a bit of a mess, but the face-to-face staff were, at all times, excellent.
Sorry to read this. Hope Mrs C is feeling better.
A&E seems to be rather potluck and postcode dependant. I know our local one is in near meltdown at the moment.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Oh do shut the fuck up
Brexit was the right decision because of democracy and sovereignty. That remains true. I would vote for it again for those reasons DESPITE the terrible poonami of crap that has come with Brexit
We've told you this a trillion times but then you dismiss it as a non-argument - "we were sovereign in the EU! We could always leave!" - so we can't have a debate because you guys don't accept there is a basis for debate. Then you complain there is no debate. Go jump in the Thames
I don't want a debate. And that's a noddy argument (sovereignty/democracy) but no matter because you've avoided what I'm complaining about (blaming Brexit on Remainers). Noddy arguments advanced in good faith with no gaslighting or snark. I much prefer this to the usual Leaver fare.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Oh do shut the fuck up
Brexit was the right decision because of democracy and sovereignty. That remains true. I would vote for it again for those reasons DESPITE the terrible poonami of crap that has come with Brexit
We've told you this a trillion times but then you dismiss it as a non-argument - "we were sovereign in the EU! We could always leave!" - so we can't have a debate because you guys don't accept there is a basis for debate. Then you complain there is no debate. Go jump in the Thames
I don't want a debate. And that's a noddy argument (sovereignty/democracy) but no matter because you've avoided what I'm complaining about (blaming Brexit on Remainers). Noddy arguments advanced in good faith with no gaslighting or snark. I much prefer this to the usual Leaver fare.
There ya go again. "Noddy argument" You don't want ti argue it probably because you can't. So you dismiss it. Whatever
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Oh do shut the fuck up
Brexit was the right decision because of democracy and sovereignty. That remains true. I would vote for it again for those reasons DESPITE the terrible poonami of crap that has come with Brexit
We've told you this a trillion times but then you dismiss it as a non-argument - "we were sovereign in the EU! We could always leave!" - so we can't have a debate because you guys don't accept there is a basis for debate. Then you complain there is no debate. Go jump in the Thames
I don't want a debate. And that's a noddy argument (sovereignty/democracy) but no matter because you've avoided what I'm complaining about (blaming Brexit on Remainers). Noddy arguments advanced in good faith with no gaslighting or snark. I much prefer this to the usual Leaver fare.
There ya go again. "Noddy argument" You don't want ti argue it probably because you can't. So you dismiss it. Whatever
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
I voted remain and the Remain campaign wasn’t very good. You need an elevator pitch to win - they didn’t come up with one.
It's just the old "lose = bad campaign" chestnut. Same as Kamala.
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
Wonder what the outcome of similar polling in France or Germany would look like?
Similar, I am sure
Exactly. Macron and Scholz no more popular than Sir Keir. Ominous outlook for all with Ukraine, Trump, struggling economy, and the populists on the move. It can all feel bit like the locust years of yore.
We need a mix of Javier Millei and Nayib Bukele. Hard right on crime, migration and social issues and free market on economics
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
The grass is greener?
I think so. Middle class England think all of France lives like in a Year in Provence. It's based on holidays. Whereas if you actually live and work r there its got lots of as much crap as we have.
I disagree. I think life in France is generally superior in multiple ways
Nicer towns and cities, sometimes MUCH nicer. Better weather. Much more space, and all that comes with it
We have much better universities, a vastly superior language, a more dynamic and interesting capital (tho they are both world cities), a more good-humoured population, more laughing in general, and nothing in France, for all its beauty, quite matches the Highlands and Islands of Scotland
They have a better sense of their Frenchness and why it should be defended, on the other hand Frechness is under even more attack than Britishness, in various subtle ways. Both are falling behind technologically, and fast, and both face economic stagnation, tho they are stagnating from a better place. We have many more friends abroad, they have their EU alliances
We are largely free of EU over-reach, thank God, but they have the luxury of Free Movement
Both will end up with hard right governments soon enough, in a desperate attempt to get things changed
It would seem thst there is considerable concern over drones over UK bases
I think they're wrong about education, but right about health. Our state education system is actually very good although it could be even better if it got more money, and our universities are the best in Europe. The NHS does good work given its resources but is clearly not as good as the systems in France and Germany.
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Better than the US, France, Germany and most wealthy countries too. If I had to go elsewhere probably Netherlands or Portugal.
Life in Britain is, I am afraid, not better than life in the US, France. Germany or most western countries. The stats do not lie. Our GDP per capita is DECLINING, not least because we are letting in 1m people every fucking year
And yeah great Starmer may somehow get this down to 700,000 or 600,000, that's still 1 percent of the entire population, transforming the country in ways most people really do not like
We need zero net migration. We need a breather. STOP the migration and let's try and assimilate those who are here, and also give our public services and housing a chance to catch up
And this is not a partisan point. It's the Tories that pushed up migration to truly surreal levels. For which reason they do not deserve to come back in 2028. Give Reform a go
Reform are just another set of posh conmen who will fail to deliver what you want. Not sure why someone with your legendary iq can't understand it all comes down to demographics, not politicians empty promises.
Desperation?
Literally: desperation
The Tories failed dramatically. In so many ways. Starmer appears to be even worse, incredibly
What's left? The Lib Dems? Fucksake
We need a dramatic re-set and part of that must be a massive hard clampdown on migration, asylum and Wokeness. Reform will definitely do THAT
Do they have any other policies? Not really. But that's a start. And their advantage is they are a blank slate, they are rethinking from first principles. So there is therefore a slice of hope. As I said they should look to Bukele and Millei
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Oh do shut the fuck up
Brexit was the right decision because of democracy and sovereignty. That remains true. I would vote for it again for those reasons DESPITE the terrible poonami of crap that has come with Brexit
We've told you this a trillion times but then you dismiss it as a non-argument - "we were sovereign in the EU! We could always leave!" - so we can't have a debate because you guys don't accept there is a basis for debate. Then you complain there is no debate. Go jump in the Thames
I don't want a debate. And that's a noddy argument (sovereignty/democracy) but no matter because you've avoided what I'm complaining about (blaming Brexit on Remainers). Noddy arguments advanced in good faith with no gaslighting or snark. I much prefer this to the usual Leaver fare.
Btexit was the wrong decision on just about every level possible. So many lies told.
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Better than the US, France, Germany and most wealthy countries too. If I had to go elsewhere probably Netherlands or Portugal.
Life in Britain is, I am afraid, not better than life in the US, France. Germany or most western countries. The stats do not lie. Our GDP per capita is DECLINING, not least because we are letting in 1m people every fucking year
And yeah great Starmer may somehow get this down to 700,000 or 600,000, that's still 1 percent of the entire population, transforming the country in ways most people really do not like
We need zero net migration. We need a breather. STOP the migration and let's try and assimilate those who are here, and also give our public services and housing a chance to catch up
And this is not a partisan point. It's the Tories that pushed up migration to truly surreal levels. For which reason they do not deserve to come back in 2028. Give Reform a go
Reform are just another set of posh conmen who will fail to deliver what you want. Not sure why someone with your legendary iq can't understand it all comes down to demographics, not politicians empty promises.
Desperation?
Literally: desperation
The Tories failed dramatically. In so many ways. Starmer appears to be even worse, incredibly
What's left? The Lib Dems? Fucksake
We need a dramatic re-set and part of that must be a massive hard clampdown on migration, asylum and Wokeness. Reform will definitely do THAT
Do they have any other policies? Not really. But that's a start. And their advantage is they are a blank slate, they are rethinking from first principles. So there is therefore a slice of hope. As I said they should look to Bukele and Millei
I have plenty of policy ideas that would work. I don't think the country would vote for them though as everyone wants a quick fix from the shyster of the day.
I think they're wrong about education, but right about health. Our state education system is actually very good although it could be even better if it got more money, and our universities are the best in Europe. The NHS does good work given its resources but is clearly not as good as the systems in France and Germany.
If we can accept that the NHS has some major faults, and that not all NHS staff are angels, we can maybe move forward. Until then ….
On the upside I am drinking Charles Mignon champagne and about to go to Soho to reunite with friends of these last 30 odd years for our annual Xmas shindig. And I am listening to Michael Nesmith's Rio
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Better than the US, France, Germany and most wealthy countries too. If I had to go elsewhere probably Netherlands or Portugal.
Life in Britain is, I am afraid, not better than life in the US, France. Germany or most western countries. The stats do not lie. Our GDP per capita is DECLINING, not least because we are letting in 1m people every fucking year
And yeah great Starmer may somehow get this down to 700,000 or 600,000, that's still 1 percent of the entire population, transforming the country in ways most people really do not like
We need zero net migration. We need a breather. STOP the migration and let's try and assimilate those who are here, and also give our public services and housing a chance to catch up
And this is not a partisan point. It's the Tories that pushed up migration to truly surreal levels. For which reason they do not deserve to come back in 2028. Give Reform a go
Reform are just another set of posh conmen who will fail to deliver what you want. Not sure why someone with your legendary iq can't understand it all comes down to demographics, not politicians empty promises.
Desperation?
Literally: desperation
The Tories failed dramatically. In so many ways. Starmer appears to be even worse, incredibly
What's left? The Lib Dems? Fucksake
We need a dramatic re-set and part of that must be a massive hard clampdown on migration, asylum and Wokeness. Reform will definitely do THAT
Do they have any other policies? Not really. But that's a start. And their advantage is they are a blank slate, they are rethinking from first principles. So there is therefore a slice of hope. As I said they should look to Bukele and Millei
The very last thing we need is a "dramatic reset".
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Education, I think we perform slightly better than European peers on reading and science, but only in line on maths. I think we do a poor job, however, with vocational training for 16 to 18 year olds compared to -say- Germany or Switzerland or the Nordics.
Probably depends on how you're making the average, but of the 4 European public healthcare systems I have experience of, the UK comes a close second to Germany, easily beating Italy and Greece. I can imagine that the Nordic countries and France, Switzerland and the Netherlands might be better than the UK, but most of the rest of Europe (excluding micro-states)?
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Oh do shut the fuck up
Brexit was the right decision because of democracy and sovereignty. That remains true. I would vote for it again for those reasons DESPITE the terrible poonami of crap that has come with Brexit
We've told you this a trillion times but then you dismiss it as a non-argument - "we were sovereign in the EU! We could always leave!" - so we can't have a debate because you guys don't accept there is a basis for debate. Then you complain there is no debate. Go jump in the Thames
I don't want a debate. And that's a noddy argument (sovereignty/democracy) but no matter because you've avoided what I'm complaining about (blaming Brexit on Remainers). Noddy arguments advanced in good faith with no gaslighting or snark. I much prefer this to the usual Leaver fare.
Btexit was the wrong decision on just about every level possible. So many lies told.
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Better than the US, France, Germany and most wealthy countries too. If I had to go elsewhere probably Netherlands or Portugal.
Life in Britain is, I am afraid, not better than life in the US, France. Germany or most western countries. The stats do not lie. Our GDP per capita is DECLINING, not least because we are letting in 1m people every fucking year
And yeah great Starmer may somehow get this down to 700,000 or 600,000, that's still 1 percent of the entire population, transforming the country in ways most people really do not like
We need zero net migration. We need a breather. STOP the migration and let's try and assimilate those who are here, and also give our public services and housing a chance to catch up
And this is not a partisan point. It's the Tories that pushed up migration to truly surreal levels. For which reason they do not deserve to come back in 2028. Give Reform a go
Reform are just another set of posh conmen who will fail to deliver what you want. Not sure why someone with your legendary iq can't understand it all comes down to demographics, not politicians empty promises.
Desperation?
Literally: desperation
The Tories failed dramatically. In so many ways. Starmer appears to be even worse, incredibly
What's left? The Lib Dems? Fucksake
We need a dramatic re-set and part of that must be a massive hard clampdown on migration, asylum and Wokeness. Reform will definitely do THAT
Do they have any other policies? Not really. But that's a start. And their advantage is they are a blank slate, they are rethinking from first principles. So there is therefore a slice of hope. As I said they should look to Bukele and Millei
The very last thing we need is a "dramatic reset".
Jesus Christ it really really really IS, and many agree. This is why Starmer is the wrong man at the wrong time in so many ways. He think we can just do a few social democratic tweaks. We are far beyond that
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
Zhou en-lai. He was a history professor. And it was a mistranslation. He believed they were asking about the 1968 Paris riots.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
Almost.
Zhou Enlai. But allegedly referring to the 1968 student riots in Paris ... don't know which is true.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Oh do shut the fuck up
Brexit was the right decision because of democracy and sovereignty. That remains true. I would vote for it again for those reasons DESPITE the terrible poonami of crap that has come with Brexit
We've told you this a trillion times but then you dismiss it as a non-argument - "we were sovereign in the EU! We could always leave!" - so we can't have a debate because you guys don't accept there is a basis for debate. Then you complain there is no debate. Go jump in the Thames
I don't want a debate. And that's a noddy argument (sovereignty/democracy) but no matter because you've avoided what I'm complaining about (blaming Brexit on Remainers). Noddy arguments advanced in good faith with no gaslighting or snark. I much prefer this to the usual Leaver fare.
Btexit was the wrong decision on just about every level possible. So many lies told.
Brexit could have been the right decision, if it hadn’t been negotiated and implemented by our incompetent MPs and Civil Servants.
It still was imo - the fiscal benefits are now substantial, Rachel Reeves' BLACK HOLE would be an abyss without Brexit. Not being on the hook for future bailouts is even better. But of course it could have been handled better, and thankfully still can be.
Suspect this polling reflects that people are feeling gloomy and that country is in a bad place.
It would be interesting to poll this. ie is there ANYONE in Britain who isn't gloomy and who thinks Britain is in a good place?
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
This country is a blessed nation. The British are special. The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it. This is the greatest nation on Earth. T. Blair, resignation.
Clearly a lot of people want to come here and not many want to leave (a few like to moan and threaten leaving but never do). We must be doing somethings right.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Jesus Christ they come from the world's poorest/most dangerous countries. Yes, we are better than Sudan or Syria. Great
Better than the US, France, Germany and most wealthy countries too. If I had to go elsewhere probably Netherlands or Portugal.
Life in Britain is, I am afraid, not better than life in the US, France. Germany or most western countries. The stats do not lie. Our GDP per capita is DECLINING, not least because we are letting in 1m people every fucking year
And yeah great Starmer may somehow get this down to 700,000 or 600,000, that's still 1 percent of the entire population, transforming the country in ways most people really do not like
We need zero net migration. We need a breather. STOP the migration and let's try and assimilate those who are here, and also give our public services and housing a chance to catch up
And this is not a partisan point. It's the Tories that pushed up migration to truly surreal levels. For which reason they do not deserve to come back in 2028. Give Reform a go
Reform are just another set of posh conmen who will fail to deliver what you want. Not sure why someone with your legendary iq can't understand it all comes down to demographics, not politicians empty promises.
Desperation?
Literally: desperation
The Tories failed dramatically. In so many ways. Starmer appears to be even worse, incredibly
What's left? The Lib Dems? Fucksake
We need a dramatic re-set and part of that must be a massive hard clampdown on migration, asylum and Wokeness. Reform will definitely do THAT
Do they have any other policies? Not really. But that's a start. And their advantage is they are a blank slate, they are rethinking from first principles. So there is therefore a slice of hope. As I said they should look to Bukele and Millei
The very last thing we need is a "dramatic reset".
I'm not a fan of dramatic resets. You can achieve a lot with targeted and throught through tweaks, whereas revolutions usually just tip everything over and hope for the best, often ending up with something similar as people get sick of changes.
So the question is whether the tweak approach is going to be well thought through, and effective.
I reserve judgement for now, but I'm pessimisitc, and that's mostly due to my perception of what the public will accept, never mind leadership.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
Zhou en-lai. He was a history professor. And it was a mistranslation. He believed they were asking about the 1968 Paris riots.
I prefer the other version, so in a world where we can freely choose our own facts nowadays I'll stick with that.
Of course some European nations like Germany have more academically selective secondary schools than we do and Sweden has more free schools.
Most European countries make use of insurance to fund their healthcare systems too, they don't all use tax like the NHS
The problem with relying on insurance is that it means we are relying on insurance companies. Do you trust them to act in your best interests - or in their own?
Of course some European nations like Germany have more academically selective secondary schools than we do and Sweden has more free schools.
Most European countries make use of insurance to fund their healthcare systems too, they don't all use tax like the NHS
The problem with relying on insurance is that it means we are relying on insurance companies. Do you trust them to act in your best interests - or in their own?
Also, "free school" is a - probably deliberately by the Tories - ambiguous description. On at least two levels.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Education, I think we perform slightly better than European peers on reading and science, but only in line on maths. I think we do a poor job, however, with vocational training for 16 to 18 year olds compared to -say- Germany or Switzerland or the Nordics.
Shit: that was almost exactly the same comment as @Leon. Now I have to go beat myself with sticks.
On the NHS
The cultural change from “accept what you are given by The People in Charge” to “I am a customer” has had an effect.
I think the immigrant population has had an effect as well - my wife comes from a country where nearly all medical care is paid for (very basic public hospitals) and she expects quality. And demands it.
Just had best part of a day with the NHS. Mrs C had 'a funny turn'. Called 111. This was about 11am on Wednesday. Someone 'technical' ... as opposed to call handler ....got back to us about 12.30. After discussion, felt an ambulance as necessary. 12.30am Thursday the ambulance arrived. Very helpful, thoughtful crew. 2.15 am we arrived at A&E. Obviously very busy. 3am Mrs C's bed was in a queue in the corridor outside A&E 'wards'. There were then various visits from specialists of various sorts resulting in: 8am Decided that Mrs C (and me, who'd been 'sort of' holding her hand sine 2am) could go home with appropriate advice. 9.15 am discharge procedures completed. Did we want hospital transport? How long would it be? Don't know. 9.45 am We got a taxi. 10.15am home.
What do I think? Once we were in the system, couldn't really complain. We weren't left for long without "something happening'! Tests were conducted in the small hours, we were visited by appropriate staff 4,5,6am. Getting out was a bit of a mess, but the face-to-face staff were, at all times, excellent.
So sorry to hear that and hope Mrs C is OK
I would say that my experience last year was that the GP sent me into A & E as an emergency and I arrived by car at 5.30pm
I was triaged and at 6.30pm bloods were taken
At 3.00am I was told they had done the wrong blood tests and took more
Finally at 7.30am, after a night of intense pain and in a wheelchair, I was seen by the A& E doctor with another doctor and senior nurse and was immediately admitted with an urgent utrasound confirming a substantial dvt in my left thigh and a undetected aneurysm
From the moment I was in the system, everything over the next year was efficient and I have no complaints about anyone even in A & E
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
Also, remember that every extra 10-20% in boat arrivals adds one BILLION to our annual bill for housing these people in the Dorchester with their private manicurists
It is fucking ridiculous. If one thing will ever make the torpid British stand up and revolt, it will be this. We are spending five tines the savings from the WFA cut to make sure illegal migrants who hate us are nicely housed in hotels
We are letting our own pensioners die from cold so that illegally arrived Syrian jihadis plotting to kill us can live in workless luxury, in Britain
That is literally the case. Reform are gonna win by eight trillion votes in '28
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
Brexit.
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
You'll have to troll better than that.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Why don't people who wanted and got Brexit ever say it happened because the case for it was compelling and it deservedly prevailed in an intensely fought, free and fair public vote?
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
Where is your patience man? It was clearly explained that the Brexit dividends will start to flow in about 2085. Have faith.
Like somebody famous (Mao?) said when asked what he thought about the French revolution ... too early to tell.
Zhou en-lai. He was a history professor. And it was a mistranslation. He believed they were asking about the 1968 Paris riots.
I prefer the other version, so in a world where we can freely choose our own facts nowadays I'll stick with that.
Half remembered, misunderstood, or outright made up sayings are a staple of cultural historical memory, even if Gen Z probably thinks it was invented for internet memes. I'd put good money that some of the most important 'facts' and tellings of events that lie behind our morals and opinions are complete fabrications.
I think the imaginationland episodes of South Park made the point that whether something was real or not doesn't really change their impact on is. So Mr Zhou can rest in peace that he is remembered for a killer of a line.
LOL and this "knowledge" of Europe is based on what ?
I think European healthcare is now, probably, better on average than in the UK. Now, they spend more as a % of GDP, but I think their (often more flexible) models have done rather better of late than the NHS.
Education, I think we perform slightly better than European peers on reading and science, but only in line on maths. I think we do a poor job, however, with vocational training for 16 to 18 year olds compared to -say- Germany or Switzerland or the Nordics.
Shit: that was almost exactly the same comment as @Leon. Now I have to go beat myself with sticks.
On the NHS
The cultural change from “accept what you are given by The People in Charge” to “I am a customer” has had an effect.
I think the immigrant population has had an effect as well - my wife comes from a country where nearly all medical care is paid for (very basic public hospitals) and she expects quality. And demands it.
Just had best part of a day with the NHS. Mrs C had 'a funny turn'. Called 111. This was about 11am on Wednesday. Someone 'technical' ... as opposed to call handler ....got back to us about 12.30. After discussion, felt an ambulance as necessary. 12.30am Thursday the ambulance arrived. Very helpful, thoughtful crew. 2.15 am we arrived at A&E. Obviously very busy. 3am Mrs C's bed was in a queue in the corridor outside A&E 'wards'. There were then various visits from specialists of various sorts resulting in: 8am Decided that Mrs C (and me, who'd been 'sort of' holding her hand sine 2am) could go home with appropriate advice. 9.15 am discharge procedures completed. Did we want hospital transport? How long would it be? Don't know. 9.45 am We got a taxi. 10.15am home.
What do I think? Once we were in the system, couldn't really complain. We weren't left for long without "something happening'! Tests were conducted in the small hours, we were visited by appropriate staff 4,5,6am. Getting out was a bit of a mess, but the face-to-face staff were, at all times, excellent.
So sorry to hear that and hope Mrs C is OK
I would say that my experience last year was that the GP sent me into A & E as an emergency and I arrived by car at 5.30pm
I was triaged and at 6.30pm bloods were taken
At 3.00am I was told they had done the wrong blood tests and took more
Finally at 7.30am, after a night of intense pain and in a wheelchair, I was seen by the A& E doctor with another doctor and senior nurse and was immediately admitted with an urgent utrasound confirming a substantial dvt in my left thigh and a undetected aneurysm
From the moment I was in the system, everything over the next year was efficient and I have no complaints about anyone even in A & E
Just the emergency system is broken at present
If the GP system wasn’t broken, there would be less pressure on A&E.
Medical YouTuber reflects and comments on the impact of insurance companies in what we'd think of as medical decisions such as what drugs can be prescribed (3-minute video). https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VGgQD5G8jD0
Mrs P and I have decided were are going away for every Christmas from now on. Madeira this year, but fancy the Highlands or Lake District next, then maybe the Alps, then somewhere warm again... etc.
But for next year, anyone recommend a great hotel in the Lake District or Highlands to hole away for and be pampered for Christmas 2025?
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
Also, remember that every extra 10-20% in boat arrivals adds one BILLION to our annual bill for housing these people in the Dorchester with their private manicurists
It is fucking ridiculous. If one thing will ever make the torpid British stand up and revolt, it will be this. We are spending five tines the savings from the WFA cut to make sure illegal migrants who hate us are nicely housed in hotels
We are letting our own pensioners die from cold so that illegally arrived Syrian jihadis plotting to kill us can live in workless luxury, in Britain
That is literally the case. Reform are gonna win by eight trillion votes in '28
They certainly won in St Helens last night but not maybe by trillions
Voters says Europe is better than the UK – politicalbetting.com
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Because Brits are right. European mainlanders have better healthcare
I disagree with my fellow Brits on schools. British or rather English schools are pretty good by European standards, certainly nearer the top than the bottom
Can't someone start an argument or something?
e.g.
• Cash is great
• All Welsh roads should be reduced to 3mph limits
• The tube scene from Darkest Hour is the epitome of great cinema
Anything.
#1 in US
1er in France
See the poll, it’s no coincidence that things have become shitter in the NHS since we Brexited.
The voters can see things with their own eyes.
Education, I think we perform slightly better than European peers on reading and science, but only in line on maths. I think we do a poor job, however, with vocational training for 16 to 18 year olds compared to -say- Germany or Switzerland or the Nordics.
Brexit happened because Cameron was outplayed by Farage, Osborne outwitted by a bus and Anna Soubry outcharmed by Lee Anderson.
Don’t find it too hard to believe anyone outcharmed her.
Nicer towns and cities, sometimes MUCH nicer. Better weather. Much more space, and all that comes with it
Grander landscapes, cleaner rivers, better infra, larger houses, better healthcare, longer lives, slimmer people
We have much better universities, a vastly superior language, a more dynamic and interesting capital (tho they are both world cities), a more good-humoured population, more laughing in general, and nothing in France, for all its beauty, quite matches the Highlands and Islands of Scotland
They have a better sense of their Frenchness and why it should be defended, on the other hand Frechness is under even more attack than Britishness, in various subtle ways. Both are falling behind technologically, and fast, and both face economic stagnation, tho they are stagnating from a better place. We have many more friends abroad, they have their EU alliances
We are largely free of EU over-reach, thank God, but they have the luxury of Free Movement
Both will end up with hard right governments soon enough, in a desperate attempt to get things changed
Not a classic beauty, I readily accept, I just have a weird thing for petite feisty working class British girls. And she was exactly that, short but fierce
Probably because some of my best sex ever has been with that type, tho they were usually prettier
Dark times, my PB friends, dark times
(That's not to say things could not be better; I just don't think they're as bad as people make out. I'd still rather live in the UK than any other country.)
"Low grade crappiness"
That's it. It's not enough to get you out on the streets chucking Molotovs, but it is enough to grind you slowly into a form of inert pessimism
The cultural change from “accept what you are given by The People in Charge” to “I am a customer” has had an effect.
I think the immigrant population has had an effect as well - my wife comes from a country where nearly all medical care is paid for (very basic public hospitals) and she expects quality. And demands it.
Cameron and Osborne's fear-stoking, negative campaigning was not the success both men thought.
Cameron also believed the Eurosceptics' propaganda that the EU is a racket run by Germany, and so tried to negotiate directly with Angela Merkel rather than Brussels. And he begged for any deal, rather than asking for anything in particular. Cameron was also, imo, at heart a Leaver, or at best a transactional Eurosceptic rather than a Euro-enthusiast. Always keep tight hold of nurse...
That is what Britain feels like now, but worse, in some ways (the crush of migratiion) but also better (tech might save us), and also worse (the music is now shite)
Always this "beaten by a bus" and "the Remain campaign was shite" type snark. It's like they deep down know it was a mistake and done for all the wrong reasons.
The British are special.
The world knows it. In our innermost thoughts, we know it.
This is the greatest nation on Earth.
T. Blair, resignation.
Not sure there is anywhere I would actively choose to swap with despite our many challenges and problems.
Brexit was the right decision because of democracy and sovereignty. That remains true. I would vote for it again for those reasons DESPITE the terrible poonami of crap that has come with Brexit
We've told you this a trillion times but then you dismiss it as a non-argument - "we were sovereign in the EU! We could always leave!" - so we can't have a debate because you guys don't accept there is a basis for debate. Then you complain there is no debate. Go jump in the Thames
I'm grateful to live here and not rural Somalia, but that's not the kind of comparison we make in our day to day lives. We expect better than we get, sometimes unreasonably, but basic stuff breaks down too much.
Someone 'technical' ... as opposed to call handler ....got back to us about 12.30. After discussion, felt an ambulance as necessary.
12.30am Thursday the ambulance arrived. Very helpful, thoughtful crew.
2.15 am we arrived at A&E. Obviously very busy.
3am Mrs C's bed was in a queue in the corridor outside A&E 'wards'.
There were then various visits from specialists of various sorts resulting in:
8am Decided that Mrs C (and me, who'd been 'sort of' holding her hand sine 2am) could go home with appropriate advice.
9.15 am discharge procedures completed. Did we want hospital transport? How long would it be? Don't know.
9.45 am We got a taxi.
10.15am home.
What do I think? Once we were in the system, couldn't really complain. We weren't left for long without "something happening'! Tests were conducted in the small hours, we were visited by appropriate staff 4,5,6am.
Getting out was a bit of a mess, but the face-to-face staff were, at all times, excellent.
It’s a sad fact that nowadays many younger Italians do rely on fast food for their meals, and don’t dine out at the sort of places that visiting Brits frequent, returning home imagining that Italian food culture is alive and well
And yeah great Starmer may somehow get this down to 700,000 or 600,000, that's still 1 percent of the entire population, transforming the country in ways most people really do not like
We need zero net migration. We need a breather. STOP the migration and let's try and assimilate those who are here, and also give our public services and housing a chance to catch up
And this is not a partisan point. It's the Tories that pushed up migration to truly surreal levels. For which reason they do not deserve to come back in 2028. Give Reform a go
Harold Wilson's 'White Heat' Speech That Moved Labour Forward Forty Years | Greatest Speeches 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzIg5EXXu9E
61 years later there are still plenty of both around.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-i-love-terrible-towns/#:~:text=Because I kind of loved,and hotels will be cheap.
I've seen the worst of Italy and France and elsewhere. They are generally not quite as bad as the worst of the UK, tho both have some true horrors. eg the worst towns of Calabria are seriously nastier than anything in the UK
A&E seems to be rather potluck and postcode dependant. I know our local one is in near meltdown at the moment.
You lost, we're never going back, coda
Literally: desperation
The Tories failed dramatically. In so many ways. Starmer appears to be even worse, incredibly
What's left? The Lib Dems? Fucksake
We need a dramatic re-set and part of that must be a massive hard clampdown on migration, asylum and Wokeness. Reform will definitely do THAT
Do they have any other policies? Not really. But that's a start. And their advantage is they are a blank slate, they are rethinking from first principles. So there is therefore a slice of hope. As I said they should look to Bukele and Millei
Life could be worse. I should drink more fizz
Gonna buy a case of English Sparkles tomoz
Migrant crossings up 18% YOY.
Sir Useless would be patrolling the French beaches himself with a nail on a stick if he had any pride and sense of honour.
'Smash the gangs'.
We're in recession, we are borrowing record amounts, and he has INCREASED boat arrivals
They are failing on every single metric they set for themselves
Zhou Enlai. But allegedly referring to the 1968 student riots in Paris ... don't know which is true.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/ckgz4jw14rdo
Most European countries make use of insurance to fund their healthcare systems too, they don't all use tax like the NHS
So the question is whether the tweak approach is going to be well thought through, and effective.
I reserve judgement for now, but I'm pessimisitc, and that's mostly due to my perception of what the public will accept, never mind leadership.
I would say that my experience last year was that the GP sent me into A & E as an emergency and I arrived by car at 5.30pm
I was triaged and at 6.30pm bloods were taken
At 3.00am I was told they had done the wrong blood tests and took more
Finally at 7.30am, after a night of intense pain and in a wheelchair, I was seen by the A& E doctor with another doctor and senior nurse and was immediately admitted with an urgent utrasound confirming a substantial dvt in my left thigh and a undetected aneurysm
From the moment I was in the system, everything over the next year was efficient and I have no complaints about anyone even in A & E
Just the emergency system is broken at present
It is fucking ridiculous. If one thing will ever make the torpid British stand up and revolt, it will be this. We are spending five tines the savings from the WFA cut to make sure illegal migrants who hate us are nicely housed in hotels
We are letting our own pensioners die from cold so that illegally arrived Syrian jihadis plotting to kill us can live in workless luxury, in Britain
That is literally the case. Reform are gonna win by eight trillion votes in '28
I think the imaginationland episodes of South Park made the point that whether something was real or not doesn't really change their impact on is. So Mr Zhou can rest in peace that he is remembered for a killer of a line.
Medical YouTuber reflects and comments on the impact of insurance companies in what we'd think of as medical decisions such as what drugs can be prescribed (3-minute video).
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VGgQD5G8jD0
Mrs P and I have decided were are going away for every Christmas from now on. Madeira this year, but fancy the Highlands or Lake District next, then maybe the Alps, then somewhere warm again... etc.
But for next year, anyone recommend a great hotel in the Lake District or Highlands to hole away for and be pampered for Christmas 2025?
https://x.com/BritainElects/status/1867366787521593355?t=a2BqLwSDdB9CIKZ1u9kFbA&s=19