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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302
    I expect government to be a little crappy, so I can give Labour some more time before finalising a view about them.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302
    I don't know why anyone even talks about other issues when this nightmare scenario is apparently occurring.

    'It’s an old person's drink.' Is Britain's love for tea cooling off?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gpll9l535o?xtor=AL-72
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    rcs1000 said:

    Juries hardly ever convict in the UK if they think the person is acting reasonably. Go Google (or ChatGPT) and ask them about the number of times people have been convicted (or even charged) with defending themselves or their home, and you would be amazed how rarely it happens.

    IIRC, Tony Martin was convicted because he shot them in the back as they ran away.

    I think the trick with these things is to create an offence - but a lessor one - to enable people to be convicted when they do overstep the line. Without basically allowing people to just tie up, torture and murder people who break into their home.
    Lying in wait with an illegal firearm, having previous told people that his plan to ambush and shoot burglars, didn’t look good either.

    As several policeman in the US have got into trouble for saying - make sure the gun is legal and all the holes are in the front.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    And at the moment, "hasn't worked yet" and "won't work" look pretty much the same on the ground. Which is all most of us can go on.
    This is the trouble with all parties and their supporters of which ever colour they confuse announcing they are fixing things with actually doing it. A good proportion of the time the announcement is the sum total of what they are doing the rest of the time even if they follow through the plan they have doesn't achieve the result they announced it would a large proportion of the time....in fact I struggle to think of any government policy that has ever lived up to the hype its announced with
  • Barnesian said:
    An After Eight mint? What's that compared with Wales or Kent?
  • Interesting thread on Israel’s land grab in Syria:

    https://x.com/nhazony/status/1866140280467939391

    Another conquest to add to the Golan Heights. Israel won't be giving that back.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    Lying in wait with an illegal firearm, having previous told people that his plan to ambush and shoot burglars, didn’t look good either.

    As several policeman in the US have got into trouble for saying - make sure the gun is legal and all the holes are in the front.
    The mistake he mostly made was not just burying them in the backyard and feigning ignorance
  • Another conquest to add to the Golan Heights. Israel won't be giving that back.
    Not without a fight.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    Nigelb said:

    FPT, because this is important...

    Yes chosen by *8%* of those polled.

    "Most of us" ? - citation, please.

    Here's a fair assessment of the pros and cons.
    https://variety.com/2023/film/reviews/revisiting-love-actually-20-year-anniversary-1235802104/

    The pros basically amount to "it had an incredible cast", and "Curtis could still write a few good lines".

    But on balance - just effing awful.


    (edit)
    Here's the cite: 52% of Brits polled are nuts, devoid of taste.
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/entertainment/survey-results/daily/2023/12/20/76fc4/1
    Pffft. “Facts”. It’s a new era now. “Most of us” is MY TRUTH. Don’t be a hater.
  • kle4 said:

    I don't know why anyone even talks about other issues when this nightmare scenario is apparently occurring.

    'It’s an old person's drink.' Is Britain's love for tea cooling off?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gpll9l535o?xtor=AL-72

    Typhoo went bust didn't they thanks to decline in tea.

  • I wonder if Sir Keir will be tempted to hit the nuke button any time soon. By this I mean move Rachel to Foreign Sec. I know it's received wisdom these days that PM and CoE must be joined at the hip and if the latter falls then the former is doomed. However, I'm just not sensing that sort of dynamic between Sir Keir and Rachel. She seems eminently dispensable to me and Sir Keir could easily carry on with life. It will surely cross his mind if things continue to flatline.

    Yep.

    But he might give her until next summer's rumoured reshuffle I suppose. Then again the forthcoming Reeves Recession may make him move faster.

    But there seems no obvious replacement???
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,825
    kle4 said:

    I don't know why anyone even talks about other issues when this nightmare scenario is apparently occurring.

    'It’s an old person's drink.' Is Britain's love for tea cooling off?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gpll9l535o?xtor=AL-72

    We are a tea and coffee household. Two staples of civil society.

    But these figures are remarkable. People actually buy instant coffee? Nearly a billion pounds a year? What on earth do they do with it?

    And SFAICS the average household will spend only about £10 per entire year on ground/bean coffee.

    The sort of figures you would expect in the dark ages or rural Sumerian society around 3000BCE.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735

    Typhoo went bust didn't they thanks to decline in tea.

    No, Typhoo went bust because it tastes like reheated anaemic horse pee.

    However, tea consumption does seem to be down as well. Explains a lot about the state of the U.K., and the nation’s mental health crisis, really.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302

    Typhoo went bust didn't they thanks to decline in tea.

    It's a tragedy is what it is.

    Though I'm a PG Tips man.
  • carnforth said:

    Big claim, that. Someone's going to end up with egg on their face.
    Not sewage?
  • Leon said:

    “Some, even from within the party’s own ranks, are already catastrophising that this is doomed to be a one-term administration.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/17/why-labours-high-command-has-become-very-obsessed-with-bills-and-borders

    There’s loads of this if you look carefully and read between the lines. Which you don’t and which you can’t
    How late, how late it was...

    They would be wise whatever the case to get on with things and assume they do only have five years. Blair regrets wasting time in first few years.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    Yep.

    But he might give her until next summer's rumoured reshuffle I suppose. Then again the forthcoming Reeves Recession may make him move faster.

    But there seems no obvious replacement???
    He'll elevate Balls to the Lords and make him Chancellor from there
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    kle4 said:

    It's a tragedy is what it is.

    Though I'm a PG Tips man.
    I don't understand the desire for tea, I drink it occasionally to be polite to people who seem to think giving me a cup of tea is doing me some sort of favour rather than being the equivalent of giving me a cum of tepid horse semen
  • He'll elevate Balls to the Lords and make him Chancellor from there
    I doubt a Chancellor can be in the Lords these days but I guess it can't be ruled out.

    But would Ed be dragged away from his tv career?

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited December 2024
    Still more good news for Mr Sarwar and Slab:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gxp093gwno

    'The leader of City of Edinburgh Council has resigned after police launched an investigation into an allegation of inappropriate behaviour.

    Labour's Cammy Day had been suspended by the party pending the outcome of the probe.

    It was reported by the Sunday Mail, external that Day had "bombarded" Ukrainian refugees with messages, including asking sexually explicit questions.'

    Edit: as the gent from BBC Shortbread says,

    'In Edinburgh, the SNP is the single biggest party but is in opposition.

    Instead Labour governs as a minority with support from Lib Dem and Conservative councillors.

    Labour will be hoping to stay in charge of the administration but this is not a foregone conclusion.'
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    I doubt a Chancellor can be in the Lords these days but I guess it can't be ruled out.

    But would Ed be dragged away from his tv career?

    Doesn't a chancellor need to be questionable in the commons?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    Pagan2 said:

    Doesn't a chancellor need to be questionable in the commons?
    This one is highly questionable in the Commons…
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302
    Pagan2 said:

    I don't understand the desire for tea, I drink it occasionally to be polite to people who seem to think giving me a cup of tea is doing me some sort of favour rather than being the equivalent of giving me a cum of tepid horse semen
    You prefer your horse semen boiling hot, I assume?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302
    Pagan2 said:

    Doesn't a chancellor need to be questionable in the commons?
    I doubt there's a formal rule about it - if Cameron could be Foreign Secretary in the Lords after all.

    Though the same thing would apply, in that it would be a massive slap in the face for all the MP options.
  • Not without a fight.
    Perhaps they need "Lebensraum"?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    kle4 said:

    You prefer your horse semen boiling hot, I assume?
    It starts to get a bit coagulated when tepid which is why bars serve it warm. Note few bars do tea a lot more do coffee as well
  • Not without a fight.
    Who can fight them, especially with America holding their coat? No, this might be the next step to a peaceful Middle East.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,825

    Typhoo went bust didn't they thanks to decline in tea.

    Sorry to lower the tone but I am reminded of JCR men's bog wall circa 1974, (for younger members this refered to a current advertising slogan): "If Typhoo put the T in Britain who put the **** in Scunthorpe?"
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,934

    Really?

    "[Kenneth] Noye fatally stabbed Detective Constable John Fordham, who was involved in the police surveillance of Noye, in the grounds of his home on 26 January 1985. Acquitted of murder on the grounds of self-defence in December of that year..."
    Kenny Noye was apparently a senior freemason and the forces of freemasonry including freemason coppers saw Kenny right, over and above justice for the murdered policeman. Suffice to say the case was full of holes. Stabbing the lad some years later in a road rage incident was a step too far even for dodgy coppers.
  • Carnyx said:

    Still more good news for Mr Sarwar and Slab:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gxp093gwno

    'The leader of City of Edinburgh Council has resigned after police launched an investigation into an allegation of inappropriate behaviour.

    Labour's Cammy Day had been suspended by the party pending the outcome of the probe.

    It was reported by the Sunday Mail, external that Day had "bombarded" Ukrainian refugees with messages, including asking sexually explicit questions.'

    Edit: as the gent from BBC Shortbread says,

    'In Edinburgh, the SNP is the single biggest party but is in opposition.

    Instead Labour governs as a minority with support from Lib Dem and Conservative councillors.

    Labour will be hoping to stay in charge of the administration but this is not a foregone conclusion.'

    Cammy Day? Sounds like a celebration of our most recent Tory Foreign Secretary.
  • Who can fight them, especially with America holding their coat? No, this might be the next step to a peaceful Middle East.
    Owen Jones?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,934

    I doubt a Chancellor can be in the Lords these days but I guess it can't be ruled out.

    But would Ed be dragged away from his tv career?

    You'd struggle to drag me away from the fragrant Susannah.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    Owen Jones?
    I would pitch in to crowd fund him a one way ticket to syria and an ak47
  • kle4 said:

    You prefer your horse semen boiling hot, I assume?
    Typhoo was very poor quality tea, basically dust. The only branded tea I've had that is worse is teapigs, which is foul and ridiculously overpriced. It's so bad I check in cafes if there's a chance they might use teapigs.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,541
    edited December 2024
    algarkirk said:

    We are a tea and coffee household. Two staples of civil society.

    But these figures are remarkable. People actually buy instant coffee? Nearly a billion pounds a year? What on earth do they do with it?

    And SFAICS the average household will spend only about £10 per entire year on ground/bean coffee.

    The sort of figures you would expect in the dark ages or rural Sumerian society around 3000BCE.
    The cheap quick-brewing black tea favoured by the Brits and Irish is not much higher, objectively, on the tea quality scale than instant coffee is on the coffee quality scale.

    Subjectively, cheap tea is much more acceptable than instant coffee.
  • biggles said:

    This one is highly questionable in the Commons…
    Cameron was foreign secretary from the Lords, not that I I agree with Lords being Ministers.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,735
    Dopermean said:

    Typhoo was very poor quality tea, basically dust. The only branded tea I've had that is worse is teapigs, which is foul and ridiculously overpriced. It's so bad I check in cafes if there's a chance they might use teapigs.
    To be fair, Lipton makes Typhoo seem drinkable.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302
    carnforth said:

    The cheap quick-brewing black tea favoured by the Brits and Irish is not much higher, objectively, on the tea quality scale than instant coffee is on the coffee quality scale.

    That's true enough, I love it but a tea snob would probably be very disgusted.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Cammy Day? Sounds like a celebration of our most recent Tory Foreign Secretary.
    Nah, that's Lord Cameron Day to plebs like you and me. At least in theory.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    Kenny Noye was apparently a senior freemason and the forces of freemasonry including freemason coppers saw Kenny right, over and above justice for the murdered policeman. Suffice to say the case was full of holes. Stabbing the lad some years later in a road rage incident was a step too far even for dodgy coppers.
    It was more that the cowboy operation that had Fordham enter the grounds of Noye's house was an embarrassment to the Senior Management Team. So in the finest tradition of the NU10K, they chucked everyone and everything overboard to ensure that the blame stopped below a certain rank.

    After all, what is letting a murder go free, against One Of Us being a bit humiliated in public?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,083
    kle4 said:

    I doubt there's a formal rule about it - if Cameron could be Foreign Secretary in the Lords after all.

    Though the same thing would apply, in that it would be a massive slap in the face for all the MP options.
    Since 1718, the Chancellor has sat in the Commons. He either deputised for the First Lord on financial matters (if the First Lord was a peer) or was simultaneously the First Lord of the Treasury until 1841, when the office was separated and became directly responsible for the day to day management of the Treasury.

    So no, it's not a formal rule, but in practice it would be a fairly drastic reform to have a Chancellor in the Lords and like Blair's monkeying with the Lord Chancellor's role would probably not be feasible as a standard cabinet reshuffle.

    Starmer could, of course, make Balls First Lord and take some other title for himself (Chancellor of the Exchequer?) but it would look rather silly.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    carnforth said:

    The cheap quick-brewing black tea favoured by the Brits and Irish is not much higher, objectively, on the tea quality scale than instant coffee is on the coffee quality scale.

    Subjectively, cheap tea is much more acceptable than instant coffee.
    I remember when a friend started at uni and bought a huge catering pack of the cheapest instant coffee he could find, to last him all term.

    It was amazing how many virulent brown flushes it took to get rid of the lot down the bog, a few days later.

  • I guess the rest of you are all repressing season two of Westworld.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,571
    edited December 2024
    Edit -messed up block quotes I'll try again
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    I guess the rest of you are all repressing season two of Westworld.

    Next you'll be saying that they made sequels to Highlander. Or more than two Terminator films.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,973
    edited December 2024
    Looks like they got the health insurance CEO killer. Highly educated computer scientist, and attractive. A folk hero already.

    Rumours are he had major spinal surgery and was suffering from chronic pain - the motive.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,477
    MattW said:

    DKA can happen rapidly - well under a day is possible. One of the functions of a basal insulin component, ie the normal continuous insulin required by a body, is to inhibit it - that is as opposed to the bolus which is released to metabolise carbohydrate.

    So if all insulin has been stopped, that may exacerbate. And once DKA starts, insulin action is inhibited by the DKA, so it is tougher to recover - that's why recommended action if DKA is discovered (ketone levels in the bloodstream above a trigger level) is call 999 or go to A&E. If the ketones are not reduced rapidly, it becomes difficult to treat.

    This is part of the reason why Type Is take care when fasting eg if doing the Ignation Exercises, or if a Muslim diabetic opts to fast during Ramadan (normally a medical exception would apply), only the bolus insulin would be stopped.

    And if a Type I is not testing, they won't know beyond detecting symptoms themselves. It is quite possible he had stopped her testing - he had done that on a previous occasion in Oz where a 6 year old child died after he convinced the parents to stop treatment.

    Many other factors can also make it more difficult to treat by affecting insulin action, including things as simple as having an infection. Personally I dislike excessively hot weather as it throws my normal insulin action off, and I have to bugger about with my insulin ratios. On occasion I have had to boost my doses by 50-100% for the same food item at the same time of day in high summer compared to normal. On other occasions the action can be more rapid, so the insulin action beats the metabolisation of the food - depending on how quickly the food releases its sugar.
    Thanks, really good info.
  • Pagan2 said:

    grafter = someone that works hard
    grifter = someone that scams hard
    Confused by the US mangling where graft is specifically political corruption
  • I guess the rest of you are all repressing season two of Westworld.

    Never watched either season :lol:
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    Dopermean said:

    Confused by the US mangling where graft is specifically political corruption
    hmmm

    "A grafting grifter who grafts...."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,302

    I guess the rest of you are all repressing season two of Westworld.

    Even season one was not very good (good acting, good production values, terrible writing), so I've definitely repressed season two.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,667
    Carnyx said:

    I remember when a friend started at uni and bought a huge catering pack of the cheapest instant coffee he could find, to last him all term.

    It was amazing how many virulent brown flushes it took to get rid of the lot down the bog, a few days later.

    Personally I'm not very keen on coffee, but I prefer instant, because it produces the desired (meh) result faster. Mainly, though, I can't stand people who think that their taste is somehow superior. Chacun a son gout...
  • It just makes me laugh that *this* is what PB's plurality of centrist Dads have been longing for 14 long years. This. Joke. Of a Government.
    A Christmas appeal - is there some small UK island which could be given over for Liz Truss to govern for her most ardent fan to live on?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,487
    Dopermean said:

    A Christmas appeal - is there some small UK island which could be given over for Liz Truss to govern for her most ardent fan to live on?
    Gruinard Island. It’s used to toxicity.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    Personally I'm not very keen on coffee, but I prefer instant, because it produces the desired (meh) result faster. Mainly, though, I can't stand people who think that their taste is somehow superior. Chacun a son gout...
    True.

    I would, however, *suggest* that you try a mocha pot for the stove. Get one in stainless steel - they last forever. It makes coffee about as fast as you can boil the kettle (well, a little slower). Because you are only boiling exactly the amount of water you need for your coffee, you are saving the planet.

    https://www.bialetti.com/it_en/venus-bialetti.html
  • Dopermean said:

    A Christmas appeal - is there some small UK island which could be given over for Liz Truss to govern for her most ardent fan to live on?
    Gruinard?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    Gruinard?
    That's been fixed up and returned to the family.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    kle4 said:

    It's a tragedy is what it is.

    Though I'm a PG Tips man.
    Yes, while loose leaf tea is clearly superior, PG tips is a reasonable option. Mrs Foxy prefers Yorkshire Gold, so I do as I'm told when shopping.
  • Gruinard Island. It’s used to toxicity.
    You beat me to it!!!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    Dopermean said:

    A Christmas appeal - is there some small UK island which could be given over for Liz Truss to govern for her most ardent fan to live on?
    Perhaps an iceberg would suit?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    Foxy said:

    Perhaps an iceberg would suit?
    As in the film Rapa Nui?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,994
    Labour came to office promising nothing bar the three no increases pledge. The rest is all on the hoof.. I can't think of a single Minister who stands out in a positive way.. many very negatively all of them led by Mr Bland.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295

    I guess the rest of you are all repressing season two of Westworld.

    Not at all. Still scarred

    Is it the “worst second season after a really good first season” ever? An unbelievable plunge in quality. I remember my then wife and I staring at the screen in disbelief. We loved season 1. And then…. That

    We abandoned it by episode 5

    In musical terms it is maybe outmatched by the 2nd Stone Roses album
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,994
    edited December 2024
    Foxy said:

    Yes, while loose leaf tea is clearly superior, PG tips is a reasonable option. Mrs Foxy prefers Yorkshire Gold, so I do as I'm told when shopping.
    Co-op 99 for me.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    Labour came to office promising nothing bar the three no increases pledge. The rest is all on the hoof.. I can't think of a single Minister who stands out in a positive way.. many very negatively all of them led by Mr Bland.

    "Bring me the blandest thing on the menu!"

    https://youtu.be/H-uEx_hEXAM?feature=shared
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,045

    True.

    I would, however, *suggest* that you try a mocha pot for the stove. Get one in stainless steel - they last forever. It makes coffee about as fast as you can boil the kettle (well, a little slower). Because you are only boiling exactly the amount of water you need for your coffee, you are saving the planet.

    https://www.bialetti.com/it_en/venus-bialetti.html
    I broke mine this weekend :disappointed:

    New one coming for Christmas, I suspect.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    Interesting we have unity amongst the ages at last, whether young, middle aged or old more think the Labour government has been a disappointment than been pleased by its performance.

    Indeed even amongst Labour 2024 voters only a plurality of barely more than a third are pleased with its perfomance. These are certainly not the scores Starmer needs to be certain of securing Labour's majority again in 2028/29
  • Foxy said:

    Perhaps an iceberg would suit?
    There are still a few posters who believe she is a little gem.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    Eabhal said:

    Looks like they got the health insurance CEO killer. Highly educated computer scientist, and attractive. A folk hero already.

    Rumours are he had major spinal surgery and was suffering from chronic pain - the motive.

    Nonetheless still a murderer of a man with a family, even if he was a very high earning and ruthless CEO he provided a service to those wanting health insurance
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,951
    biggles said:

    No, Typhoo went bust because it tastes like reheated anaemic horse pee.

    However, tea consumption does seem to be down as well. Explains a lot about the state of the U.K., and the nation’s mental health crisis, really.
    PB will be delighted to learn that Kemi is taking the tea wars stateside and fighting the colonials with vigour. They'll regret the Boston Tea Party yet. J D Vance is but the first.

    https://x.com/JDVance/status/1865580812759867667
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    rcs1000 said:

    I broke mine this weekend :disappointed:

    New one coming for Christmas, I suspect.
    Was it stainless? If so, how did you manage to break it?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,295
    Cartagena last night. I did say the Colombians REALLY go for Christmas. All the walls of the walled city are decked with cascades of lights



  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,541
    edited December 2024
    Carnyx said:

    I remember when a friend started at uni and bought a huge catering pack of the cheapest instant coffee he could find, to last him all term.

    It was amazing how many virulent brown flushes it took to get rid of the lot down the bog, a few days later.

    It's not available now, but as a student I bought some genuine, ground coffee. Sainsury's basics. Turned out it was 100% Robusta, and undrinkable.
  • AnthonyTAnthonyT Posts: 141
    @OnlyLivingBoy asked on the previous thread -

    "Is there a single example of a personal freedom that we enjoy that was won by the political right in this country?"

    Well women over 21 got the right to vote in 1928 under a Tory government.

  • rcs1000 said:

    I broke mine this weekend :disappointed:

    New one coming for Christmas, I suspect.
    I've still got an aluminium one I got free with coffee wrappers, must be 40 years old. Have replaced the gasket a few times. How do you actually break one?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,951
    HYUFD said:

    Nonetheless still a murderer of a man with a family, even if he was a very high earning and ruthless CEO he provided a service to those wanting health insurance
    I really do admire this example of incorrigible literal indefatigability.
  • Pagan2 said:

    Overweight northern women are in demand for video entertainment in china?
    One can only sympathise with the translators attempting to find the Chinese equivalent of 'Eh, tha does not sweat much for a fat lass.'
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785


    My ★★½ review of Love Actually on Letterboxd https://boxd.it/5jCVEp
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,934
    AnthonyT said:

    @OnlyLivingBoy asked on the previous thread -

    "Is there a single example of a personal freedom that we enjoy that was won by the political right in this country?"

    Well women over 21 got the right to vote in 1928 under a Tory government.

    Brexit. Obvs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534
    AnthonyT said:

    @OnlyLivingBoy asked on the previous thread -

    "Is there a single example of a personal freedom that we enjoy that was won by the political right in this country?"

    Well women over 21 got the right to vote in 1928 under a Tory government.

    Restrictions on union control of workers and freeing nationalised industries.

    The Duke of Wellington's Tory government also passed the RC Relief Act which enabled Roman Catholics to become judges and hold state office
  • I know people will say “well he would say that” but I’m still not seeing anything in the polling that suggests Keir Starmer is finished.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840

    I know people will say “well he would say that” but I’m still not seeing anything in the polling that suggests Keir Starmer is finished.

    Keir Starmer shows little sign of.... beginning.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,541
    Foxy said:



    My ★★½ review of Love Actually on Letterboxd https://boxd.it/5jCVEp

    Munter? Haven't heard that in a while.
  • HYUFD said:

    Restrictions on union control of workers and freeing nationalised industries.

    The Duke of Wellington's Tory government also passed the RC Relief Act which enabled Roman Catholics to become judges and hold state office
    The 1867 Reform Act was under a Conservative Government, the 1918 ROPA was under a Conservative Governement etc etc
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,994

    I know people will say “well he would say that” but I’m still not seeing anything in the polling that suggests Keir Starmer is finished.

    He's not finished..he is drifting. ...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,520
    HYUFD said:

    Interesting we have unity amongst the ages at last, whether young, middle aged or old more think the Labour government has been a disappointment than been pleased by its performance.

    Indeed even amongst Labour 2024 voters only a plurality of barely more than a third are pleased with its perfomance. These are certainly not the scores Starmer needs to be certain of securing Labour's majority again in 2028/29

    "Disappointment" is not such a bad national mood to have. There's a certain wisdom and maturity to it.
  • He's not finished..he is drifting. ...
    I think fundamentally they have terrible comms.

    But they are doing things. Like planning.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,534

    I know people will say “well he would say that” but I’m still not seeing anything in the polling that suggests Keir Starmer is finished.

    Not finished no but he likely will need Ed Davey to stay in office next time on current polls at best unless he can really get Labour's polling back up
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,994

    I think fundamentally they have terrible comms.

    But they are doing things. Like planning.
    They couldn't plan their way out of paper bag. Who is there with the foresight to plan anything.?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,400

    Next you'll be saying that they made sequels to Highlander. Or more than two Terminator films.
    I think the one screen thing that I'm quite disappointed got messed up is Star Trek.
  • "So far Starmer is shaping up as the gravest disappointment since the second season of Westworld...."

    Bad, it's true TSE, but nothing like the disappointment when visiting Niagara on my honeymoon.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,045
    Foxy said:



    My ★★½ review of Love Actually on Letterboxd https://boxd.it/5jCVEp

    I thought that was a little generous, but hey ho.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    carnforth said:

    Munter? Haven't heard that in a while.
    That's the Joy of Letterboxd, which is becoming my favourite social media.

    I see there is a consensus there that Die Hard is a Christmas Movie...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,551

    It makes coffee about as fast as you can boil the kettle (well, a little slower). Because you are only boiling exactly the amount of water you need for your coffee, you are saving the planet.

    A coffee boiled is a coffee spoiled...

    80 degrees C through an Aeropress. Perfection every time.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,045
    edited December 2024

    Was it stainless? If so, how did you manage to break it?
    It no longer screws together very well to the extent that it now emits boiling hot steam in places where boiling hot steam should not be emitted.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,840
    rcs1000 said:

    It no longer screws together very well to the extent that it now emits boiling hot steam in places where boiling hot steam should not be emitted.
    Have you changed the seal? You should do that every few months....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,966
    Daily Express says it'll be a White Christmas.

    So it won't, obvs.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,785
    rcs1000 said:

    I thought that was a little generous, but hey ho.
    I do tend to score movies highly on Letterboxd.

    Love Actually has some great comedy acting and scripting. It's the dark message underneath that's the problem.
  • "So far Starmer is shaping up as the gravest disappointment since the second season of Westworld...."

    Let hope we don't hit season 4 levels...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,955

    Have you changed the seal? You should do that every few months....
    Only Adamski can save us now...
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