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Just one in five people are pleased by what Labour have done in office so far – politicalbetting.com

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edited December 17 in General
Just one in five people are pleased by what Labour have done in office so far – politicalbetting.com

New from @IpsosUK: 53% disappointed by what Labour has done in office so far. One in five pleased.More https://t.co/DolCedOPbH pic.twitter.com/U8JoiFjlMw

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  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,682
    First? Really?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,029

    First? Really?

    You must be very proud.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    edited December 9
    FPT, because this is important...
    biggles said:

    Just to add some balance here, out there in the real world most of us like Love Actually and overlook any overthought “creepiness”, noting that it’s a fantasy world.

    To tie this in with polling, it is actually tied with well-loved Christmas film Die Hard as Britain’s third favourite.

    https://yougov.co.uk/entertainment/articles/33528-public-has-spoken-elf-best-christmas-film

    Yes chosen by *8%* of those polled.

    "Most of us" ? - citation, please.

    Here's a fair assessment of the pros and cons.
    https://variety.com/2023/film/reviews/revisiting-love-actually-20-year-anniversary-1235802104/

    The pros basically amount to "it had an incredible cast", and "Curtis could still write a few good lines".

    But on balance - just effing awful.


    (edit)
    Here's the cite: 52% of Brits polled are nuts, devoid of taste.
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/entertainment/survey-results/daily/2023/12/20/76fc4/1
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,255
    At least their "underpromise and underdeliver" strategy was original.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,956
    Nigelb said:

    FPT, because this is important...

    biggles said:

    Just to add some balance here, out there in the real world most of us like Love Actually and overlook any overthought “creepiness”, noting that it’s a fantasy world.

    To tie this in with polling, it is actually tied with well-loved Christmas film Die Hard as Britain’s third favourite.

    https://yougov.co.uk/entertainment/articles/33528-public-has-spoken-elf-best-christmas-film

    Yes chosen by *8%* of those polled.

    "Most of us" ? - citation, please.

    Here's a fair assessment of the pros and cons.
    https://variety.com/2023/film/reviews/revisiting-love-actually-20-year-anniversary-1235802104/

    The pros basically amount to "it had an incredible cast", and "Curtis could still write a few good lines".

    But on balance - just effing awful.
    I’ve never seen it and given yours, MexicanPete and rcs’s wifes view on it I’m less and less likely to.
  • Nigelb said:

    FPT, because this is important...

    biggles said:

    Just to add some balance here, out there in the real world most of us like Love Actually and overlook any overthought “creepiness”, noting that it’s a fantasy world.

    To tie this in with polling, it is actually tied with well-loved Christmas film Die Hard as Britain’s third favourite.

    https://yougov.co.uk/entertainment/articles/33528-public-has-spoken-elf-best-christmas-film

    Yes chosen by *8%* of those polled.

    "Most of us" ? - citation, please.

    Here's a fair assessment of the pros and cons.
    https://variety.com/2023/film/reviews/revisiting-love-actually-20-year-anniversary-1235802104/

    The pros basically amount to "it had an incredible cast", and "Curtis could still write a few good lines".

    But on balance - just effing awful.
    I love Love Actually, one of my all time favourite (Christmas) films, how can you not love a film which has this exchange.

    Peter : No surprises?

    Mark : No surprises.

    Peter : Not like the stag night?

    Mark : Unlike the stag night.

    Peter : Do you admit the Brazilian prostitutes were a mistake?

    Mark : I do.

    Peter : And it would have been much better if they'd not turned out to be men?

    Mark : That is true.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,682
    And ON topic - assuming the plan is to do the difficult stuff upfront, isn't this the kind of polling you would expect?

    Honestly, what did the public expect? It was never going to be easy for whatever government that took over.

    I think my beef with the current lot is that despite claiming to have a plan, and having had a decent time where it was obvious that they would be in power, they give every impression of arriving in power without said plan (not in all areas, to be sure). Starmer in particular played the Ming vase strategy to perfection and was rewarded with one of the most 'unjust' super majorities imaginable.*

    What is the plan for growth, other than saying we want lots of growth? Where is the evidence from other countries that have managed to trigger lots of growth? Can we do what they did? Thats what we need. Not lies/half-truths about unexpected black holes in the finances.


    *But thats the system that both major parties like!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    Nigelb said:

    FPT, because this is important...

    biggles said:

    Just to add some balance here, out there in the real world most of us like Love Actually and overlook any overthought “creepiness”, noting that it’s a fantasy world.

    To tie this in with polling, it is actually tied with well-loved Christmas film Die Hard as Britain’s third favourite.

    https://yougov.co.uk/entertainment/articles/33528-public-has-spoken-elf-best-christmas-film

    Yes chosen by *8%* of those polled.

    "Most of us" ? - citation, please.

    Here's a fair assessment of the pros and cons.
    https://variety.com/2023/film/reviews/revisiting-love-actually-20-year-anniversary-1235802104/

    The pros basically amount to "it had an incredible cast", and "Curtis could still write a few good lines".

    But on balance - just effing awful.


    (edit)
    Here's the cite: 52% of Brits polled are nuts, devoid of taste.
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/entertainment/survey-results/daily/2023/12/20/76fc4/1
    Which, on topic, might come as some small consolation to Starmer.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,682
    RobD said:

    First? Really?

    You must be very proud.
    I am. Busy day at work, so just lucky really. But as claiming the first is a thing...
  • David Coote rightly sacked.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,884
    I suspect the disappointment manifests itself in different ways. All you millionaire PB farmers are bellyaching about having to pay inheritance tax on your estates over £3 million, whilst I am disappointed we are still seeing vagrants living on the street and one in three children still in poverty.
  • Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT, because this is important...

    biggles said:

    Just to add some balance here, out there in the real world most of us like Love Actually and overlook any overthought “creepiness”, noting that it’s a fantasy world.

    To tie this in with polling, it is actually tied with well-loved Christmas film Die Hard as Britain’s third favourite.

    https://yougov.co.uk/entertainment/articles/33528-public-has-spoken-elf-best-christmas-film

    Yes chosen by *8%* of those polled.

    "Most of us" ? - citation, please.

    Here's a fair assessment of the pros and cons.
    https://variety.com/2023/film/reviews/revisiting-love-actually-20-year-anniversary-1235802104/

    The pros basically amount to "it had an incredible cast", and "Curtis could still write a few good lines".

    But on balance - just effing awful.
    I’ve never seen it and given yours, MexicanPete and rcs’s wifes view on it I’m less and less likely to.
    I disagree with the paint drying assessment.
    That's quite a relaxing activity.

    In contrast, there's an awful lot going on in the movie.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,324
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT, because this is important...

    biggles said:

    Just to add some balance here, out there in the real world most of us like Love Actually and overlook any overthought “creepiness”, noting that it’s a fantasy world.

    To tie this in with polling, it is actually tied with well-loved Christmas film Die Hard as Britain’s third favourite.

    https://yougov.co.uk/entertainment/articles/33528-public-has-spoken-elf-best-christmas-film

    Yes chosen by *8%* of those polled.

    "Most of us" ? - citation, please.

    Here's a fair assessment of the pros and cons.
    https://variety.com/2023/film/reviews/revisiting-love-actually-20-year-anniversary-1235802104/

    The pros basically amount to "it had an incredible cast", and "Curtis could still write a few good lines".

    But on balance - just effing awful.
    I’ve never seen it and given yours, MexicanPete and rcs’s wifes view on it I’m less and less likely to.
    I disagree with the paint drying assessment.
    That's quite a relaxing activity.

    In contrast, there's an going on in the movie.
    Hmm. Modern paint often dries too quickly to be relaxing ... so one has an awful lot of brushing to do before it dries on the brush ...
  • What should worry labour is disappointed leads in all ages groups, even 18 -34s
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,884

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A little unpleasant, unnecessary and out of character there BigG. Are we only allowed to espouse right wing views these days?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,682

    I suspect the disappointment manifests itself in different ways. All you millionaire PB farmers are bellyaching about having to pay inheritance tax on your estates over £3 million, whilst I am disappointed we are still seeing vagrants living on the street and one in three children still in poverty.

    Poverty is the one that pisses me off most for two very different reasons. Firstly I hate the idea of children hungry or cold or both in shit housing with shit life chances. In Britain in the 21st century, for fecks sake.

    But also because the way it is measured is somewhat pernicious. Relative poverty is almost impossible to eradicate, and if I understand it correctly, is actually a measure of inequality rather than poverty per se.

    As an analogy a friend shared a big house at uni with around 5 or 6 other chaps. All well over 6 feet 5 inches. He was a shade over 6 feet tall, yet in this house he looked short.

    How many of the 1 in 3 in poverty are only in relative poverty (so not well off, but are fed and are warm etc)?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,989

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    reported to the police as a nchi as you misgendered them assuming the she at the beginning is a clue nods :)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,693

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    As I've remarked before, I'm sure, and I'm becoming ever more sure, that Starmer, when he moved into politics never expected, or even wanted, to be PM. It was a question of if not him, then who?
  • Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A little unpleasant, unnecessary and out of character there BigG. Are we only allowed to espouse right wing views these days?
    Not at all and I do not espouse right wing views

    However, maybe a little reflection by Starmer's cheer leader is maybe appropriate
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,884
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT, because this is important...

    biggles said:

    Just to add some balance here, out there in the real world most of us like Love Actually and overlook any overthought “creepiness”, noting that it’s a fantasy world.

    To tie this in with polling, it is actually tied with well-loved Christmas film Die Hard as Britain’s third favourite.

    https://yougov.co.uk/entertainment/articles/33528-public-has-spoken-elf-best-christmas-film

    Yes chosen by *8%* of those polled.

    "Most of us" ? - citation, please.

    Here's a fair assessment of the pros and cons.
    https://variety.com/2023/film/reviews/revisiting-love-actually-20-year-anniversary-1235802104/

    The pros basically amount to "it had an incredible cast", and "Curtis could still write a few good lines".

    But on balance - just effing awful.
    I’ve never seen it and given yours, MexicanPete and rcs’s wifes view on it I’m less and less likely to.
    It's not terrible and if you like a good cringe there are a few moments.

    Some of the vignettes work better than others. I quite like the Colin Firth, the Liam Neason/ Musk's ex wife's husband and the Martin Freeman/ Joanna Paige stories.
  • Pagan2 said:

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    reported to the police as a nchi as you misgendered them assuming the she at the beginning is a clue nods :)
    Fair comment -
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,884

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A little unpleasant, unnecessary and out of character there BigG. Are we only allowed to espouse right wing views these days?
    Not at all and I do not espouse right wing views

    However, maybe a little reflection by Starmer's cheer leader is maybe appropriate
    Perhaps you could demand a thesis contrasting Currygate with Partygate.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,630

    I suspect the disappointment manifests itself in different ways. All you millionaire PB farmers are bellyaching about having to pay inheritance tax on your estates over £3 million, whilst I am disappointed we are still seeing vagrants living on the street and one in three children still in poverty.

    Poverty is the one that pisses me off most for two very different reasons. Firstly I hate the idea of children hungry or cold or both in shit housing with shit life chances. In Britain in the 21st century, for fecks sake.

    But also because the way it is measured is somewhat pernicious. Relative poverty is almost impossible to eradicate, and if I understand it correctly, is actually a measure of inequality rather than poverty per se.

    As an analogy a friend shared a big house at uni with around 5 or 6 other chaps. All well over 6 feet 5 inches. He was a shade over 6 feet tall, yet in this house he looked short.

    How many of the 1 in 3 in poverty are only in relative poverty (so not well off, but are fed and are warm etc)?
    I think both measures are meaningful.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,476
    kinabalu said:

    It's probably not possible but I think SKS should pay zero attention to opinion polling until early 2026. Just get on with the job and pretend the public doesn't exist.

    What job? Grifting free designer y-fronts? He doesn’t have a job. He doesn’t do anything. He has no plans no ideas no clue no nothing. They are all sitting there in the cabinet like a bunch of brain damaged battery hens hearing a weird electric noise in the warehouse
    next door

    They have absolutely no strategy for getting Britain out of this mess, virtually all their instincts are to make things worse. They already know they are a one term government so they are simply going to extract as much cash as they can for themselves then run away

  • Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    As I've remarked before, I'm sure, and I'm becoming ever more sure, that Starmer, when he moved into politics never expected, or even wanted, to be PM. It was a question of if not him, then who?
    In many ways he is similar to Sunak

    Certainly he is not good at politics, but also Reeves caused considerable damage in her actions both before and in the budget

    Time will tell, and they have time, but it is going to be a very long haul for them
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,869
    edited December 9
    The case of the 71 year old Type I diabetic lady Danielle Carr-Gomm who was persuaded to stop taking her insulin for 3 days on a "Chinese Slapping Therapy" course, and died, has had its sentencing remarks published by Sky News. The 'therapist' had dealt with her on a previous course 3 months earlier.

    I was about right - it was a cultish atmosphere with a therapist who had cast off any rational moorings, and she had become dependent on him - so there was no easy escape. It would have needed something like a qualified medic on the course to intervene strongly. She had also been fasting for 3 days.

    These remarks are a model of clarity, as these things always seem to be:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOX2NRHrpjs

    Written version:

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/R-v-Hongchi-Xiao.pdf

    I think we need these published routinely for all Crown Court cases, as a transparency measure which will inform the news, and will auto-debunk for example fake claims around "sentenced to prison for posting on social media".
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,884
    Pagan2 said:

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    reported to the police as a nchi as you misgendered them assuming the she at the beginning is a clue nods :)
    Were you never confused when Leon posted as LadyG?
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  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,989

    Pagan2 said:

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    reported to the police as a nchi as you misgendered them assuming the she at the beginning is a clue nods :)
    Were you never confused when Leon posted as LadyG?
    Why would I be it was a well known poster in drag pretending to be a newt fancier
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,598
    edited December 9

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A little unpleasant, unnecessary and out of character there BigG. Are we only allowed to espouse right wing views these days?
    Not at all and I do not espouse right wing views

    However, maybe a little reflection by Starmer's cheer leader is maybe appropriate
    Perhaps you could demand a thesis contrasting Currygate with Partygate.
    On a more serious note, did you have problems with storm damage?

    I notice no trains are running in North Wales today, some large trees in the park were felled, but we were fortunate only to have superficial damage notwithstanding the 80mph winds

    However, Llandudno really felt the force of it especially the pier

    Mercifully, no injuries or fatalities reported here, nor were the crews called to sea at the height of the storm
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,884

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A little unpleasant, unnecessary and out of character there BigG. Are we only allowed to espouse right wing views these days?
    Not at all and I do not espouse right wing views

    However, maybe a little reflection by Starmer's cheer leader is maybe appropriate
    It is all relative. To a raging Trot like me you might as well be Nigel Farage.
  • kenObikenObi Posts: 211
    MattW said:

    The case of the 71 year old Type I diabetic lady Danielle Carr-Gomm who was persuaded to stop taking her insulin for 3 days on a "Chinese Slapping Therapy" course, and died, has had its sentencing remarks published by Sky News. The 'therapist' had dealt with her on a previous course 3 months earlier.

    I was about right - it was a cultish atmosphere with a therapist who had cast off any rational moorings, and she had become dependent on him - so there was no easy escape. It would have needed something like a qualified medic on the course to intervene strongly. She had also been fasting for 3 days.

    These remarks are a model of clarity, as these things always seem to be:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOX2NRHrpjs

    Written version:

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/R-v-Hongchi-Xiao.pdf

    I think we need these published routinely for all Crown Court cases, as a transparency measure which will inform the news, and will auto-debunk for example fake claims around "sentenced to prison for posting on social media".

    I'd agree but courts are clogged up enough without adding additional time requirements on to judges.
    Some are sentencing a dozen cases a day.
  • Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A little unpleasant, unnecessary and out of character there BigG. Are we only allowed to espouse right wing views these days?
    Not at all and I do not espouse right wing views

    However, maybe a little reflection by Starmer's cheer leader is maybe appropriate
    It is all relative. To a raging Trot like me you might as well be Nigel Farage.
    Well Farage is as unacceptable to me as any politician
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,989
    kenObi said:

    MattW said:

    The case of the 71 year old Type I diabetic lady Danielle Carr-Gomm who was persuaded to stop taking her insulin for 3 days on a "Chinese Slapping Therapy" course, and died, has had its sentencing remarks published by Sky News. The 'therapist' had dealt with her on a previous course 3 months earlier.

    I was about right - it was a cultish atmosphere with a therapist who had cast off any rational moorings, and she had become dependent on him - so there was no easy escape. It would have needed something like a qualified medic on the course to intervene strongly. She had also been fasting for 3 days.

    These remarks are a model of clarity, as these things always seem to be:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOX2NRHrpjs

    Written version:

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/R-v-Hongchi-Xiao.pdf

    I think we need these published routinely for all Crown Court cases, as a transparency measure which will inform the news, and will auto-debunk for example fake claims around "sentenced to prison for posting on social media".

    I'd agree but courts are clogged up enough without adding additional time requirements on to judges.
    Some are sentencing a dozen cases a day.
    This is a clear case of culpable manslaughter though and should be dealt with
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,869
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    It's probably not possible but I think SKS should pay zero attention to opinion polling until early 2026. Just get on with the job and pretend the public doesn't exist.

    What job? Grifting free designer y-fronts? He doesn’t have a job. He doesn’t do anything. He has no plans no ideas no clue no nothing. They are all sitting there in the cabinet like a bunch of brain damaged battery hens hearing a weird electric noise in the warehouse
    next door

    They have absolutely no strategy for getting Britain out of this mess, virtually all their instincts are to make things worse. They already know they are a one term government so they are simply going to extract as much cash as they can for themselves then run away

    Surely Designing Y-Fronts is Mr Major or Mr Chump?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,073
    kenObi said:

    MattW said:

    The case of the 71 year old Type I diabetic lady Danielle Carr-Gomm who was persuaded to stop taking her insulin for 3 days on a "Chinese Slapping Therapy" course, and died, has had its sentencing remarks published by Sky News. The 'therapist' had dealt with her on a previous course 3 months earlier.

    I was about right - it was a cultish atmosphere with a therapist who had cast off any rational moorings, and she had become dependent on him - so there was no easy escape. It would have needed something like a qualified medic on the course to intervene strongly. She had also been fasting for 3 days.

    These remarks are a model of clarity, as these things always seem to be:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOX2NRHrpjs

    Written version:

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/R-v-Hongchi-Xiao.pdf

    I think we need these published routinely for all Crown Court cases, as a transparency measure which will inform the news, and will auto-debunk for example fake claims around "sentenced to prison for posting on social media".

    I'd agree but courts are clogged up enough without adding additional time requirements on to judges.
    Some are sentencing a dozen cases a day.
    The judges have to provide a written account of their reasoning in sentencing. This is it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    edited December 9
    Syria rebels announce general amnesty for all Syrian army conscripts, say forbidden to harm them
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    They have also declared all borders with #Turkey, #Lebanon, #Jordan & #Iraq to be open for refugee returns...
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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,884
    edited December 9

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A little unpleasant, unnecessary and out of character there BigG. Are we only allowed to espouse right wing views these days?
    Not at all and I do not espouse right wing views

    However, maybe a little reflection by Starmer's cheer leader is maybe appropriate
    Perhaps you could demand a thesis contrasting Currygate with Partygate.
    On a more serious note, did you have problems with storm damage?

    I notice no trains are running in North Wales today, some large trees in the park were felled, but we were fortunate only to have superficial damage notwithstanding the 80mph winds

    However, Llandudno really felt the force of it especially the pier

    Mercifully, no injuries or fatalities reported here, nor were the crews called to sea at the height of the storm
    Thanks for asking.

    Lost a tile, which fell onto the extension roof smashing a couple of other tiles. Fortunately it missed the Velux windows by mere inches. Garden looking ragged but it does in winter anyway. Felt ripped off the shed roof, but replaced Sunday. Cars and bees fine though. Internet and Sky TV were down for 36 hours.

    I trust you were OK.

    I live in a village on the headland around half a mile from the sea. It is always hard hit in a storm but this one was above and beyond.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,869
    kenObi said:

    MattW said:

    The case of the 71 year old Type I diabetic lady Danielle Carr-Gomm who was persuaded to stop taking her insulin for 3 days on a "Chinese Slapping Therapy" course, and died, has had its sentencing remarks published by Sky News. The 'therapist' had dealt with her on a previous course 3 months earlier.

    I was about right - it was a cultish atmosphere with a therapist who had cast off any rational moorings, and she had become dependent on him - so there was no easy escape. It would have needed something like a qualified medic on the course to intervene strongly. She had also been fasting for 3 days.

    These remarks are a model of clarity, as these things always seem to be:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOX2NRHrpjs

    Written version:

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/R-v-Hongchi-Xiao.pdf

    I think we need these published routinely for all Crown Court cases, as a transparency measure which will inform the news, and will auto-debunk for example fake claims around "sentenced to prison for posting on social media".

    I'd agree but courts are clogged up enough without adding additional time requirements on to judges.
    Some are sentencing a dozen cases a day.
    I don't see how it adds additional time requirements to Judges.

    They make the sentencing remarks in Court, and they have to be recorded so that they can be supplied to media or anybody else who requests them.

    It's purely a very small - in the context of the expenditure to run any case - clerical task.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    edited December 9
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    Nigelb said:

    I'm sure @TheScreamingEagles can fashion a header out of this.

    OnlyFans is now accessible in China, a move that could boost the UK economy significantly

    A Labour insider told me ‘This is exactly what Lammy’s progressive realism is about!’ as he attempts to justify the recent overtures to the East made by the government

    ahttps://x.com/maxtempers/status/1866080378903314544

    Overweight northern women are in demand for video entertainment in china?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,413

    And ON topic - assuming the plan is to do the difficult stuff upfront, isn't this the kind of polling you would expect?

    Honestly, what did the public expect? It was never going to be easy for whatever government that took over.

    I think my beef with the current lot is that despite claiming to have a plan, and having had a decent time where it was obvious that they would be in power, they give every impression of arriving in power without said plan (not in all areas, to be sure). Starmer in particular played the Ming vase strategy to perfection and was rewarded with one of the most 'unjust' super majorities imaginable.*

    What is the plan for growth, other than saying we want lots of growth? Where is the evidence from other countries that have managed to trigger lots of growth? Can we do what they did? Thats what we need. Not lies/half-truths about unexpected black holes in the finances.


    *But thats the system that both major parties like!

    I think the plan for growth is a closer relationship with Europe, invest in green energy, and fix the public sector, all of which seem sensible to me.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    edited December 9
    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    I'm sure @TheScreamingEagles can fashion a header out of this.

    OnlyFans is now accessible in China, a move that could boost the UK economy significantly

    A Labour insider told me ‘This is exactly what Lammy’s progressive realism is about!’ as he attempts to justify the recent overtures to the East made by the government

    ahttps://x.com/maxtempers/status/1866080378903314544

    Overweight northern women are in demand for video entertainment in china?
    This is a market I have zero knowledge of.
    Which is why I offered the story to TSE.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,413
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT, because this is important...

    biggles said:

    Just to add some balance here, out there in the real world most of us like Love Actually and overlook any overthought “creepiness”, noting that it’s a fantasy world.

    To tie this in with polling, it is actually tied with well-loved Christmas film Die Hard as Britain’s third favourite.

    https://yougov.co.uk/entertainment/articles/33528-public-has-spoken-elf-best-christmas-film

    Yes chosen by *8%* of those polled.

    "Most of us" ? - citation, please.

    Here's a fair assessment of the pros and cons.
    https://variety.com/2023/film/reviews/revisiting-love-actually-20-year-anniversary-1235802104/

    The pros basically amount to "it had an incredible cast", and "Curtis could still write a few good lines".

    But on balance - just effing awful.
    I’ve never seen it and given yours, MexicanPete and rcs’s wifes view on it I’m less and less likely to.
    I disagree with the paint drying assessment.
    That's quite a relaxing activity.

    In contrast, there's an awful lot going on in the movie.
    Love Actually tried to have these multiple storylines, with the effect that they become almost parodies of Richard Curtis’s own style.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,869
    Pagan2 said:

    kenObi said:

    MattW said:

    The case of the 71 year old Type I diabetic lady Danielle Carr-Gomm who was persuaded to stop taking her insulin for 3 days on a "Chinese Slapping Therapy" course, and died, has had its sentencing remarks published by Sky News. The 'therapist' had dealt with her on a previous course 3 months earlier.

    I was about right - it was a cultish atmosphere with a therapist who had cast off any rational moorings, and she had become dependent on him - so there was no easy escape. It would have needed something like a qualified medic on the course to intervene strongly. She had also been fasting for 3 days.

    These remarks are a model of clarity, as these things always seem to be:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOX2NRHrpjs

    Written version:

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/R-v-Hongchi-Xiao.pdf

    I think we need these published routinely for all Crown Court cases, as a transparency measure which will inform the news, and will auto-debunk for example fake claims around "sentenced to prison for posting on social media".

    I'd agree but courts are clogged up enough without adding additional time requirements on to judges.
    Some are sentencing a dozen cases a day.
    This is a clear case of culpable manslaughter though and should be dealt with
    It's been dealt with somewhat effectively, I think, 10 years in prison, plus 5 years (which I think is a bit short - it should be until he is 86 not 76) on extended licence, explained thusly:

    I see no chance that you will renounce the practice of Paida Lajin. On the contrary, I am certain that you will continue to practise it, or to seek to do so, both while in prison and after your eventual release. Furthermore, I am concerned that there is a real risk that, in doing so, you may actively or tacitly encourage your followers to reduce or stop their medication. I have heard your counsel say that you will not do this, and I have read and thought about your recent letter. However, all the evidence I have received at trial about you and from you means that I cannot accept these assurances. The letters that I have received from your supporters, and the undiminished belief that they and you still have in Paida Lajin, merely make me more apprehensive. I am certain that, when you have finished serving your sentence, there is a significant risk that, yet again, history may repeat itself. This constitutes a significant risk of serious harm to members of the public.

    In this specific regard I consider you dangerous, even though you do not share the characteristics of most other dangerous offenders. I consider it necessary to extend your sentence by imposing an extended licence period of 5 years. Bearing in mind your age now, and your age when the sentence will otherwise be completed, I consider this a sufficient precaution.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,884
    I am not sure a UK jury would have reached the same verdict. But our definition regarding the self-defence plea is a little more robust. In the US, "I was scared so I snapped his neck/ strangled him" seems like justifiable action.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    Slow burn excitement though.

    ..He described the Google results as a “shining example” of improvements in error correction, but he cautioned that the very fast processing results related to calculations that were “not of much real-world use”.

    “I’m very optimistic,” he said. “I think we’re going to see a real acceleration over the next five years and then we’ll be able to say, look, this machine has calculated an interesting thing that I can explain to someone, and how it could be used in the real world.”..
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,630
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    It's probably not possible but I think SKS should pay zero attention to opinion polling until early 2026. Just get on with the job and pretend the public doesn't exist.

    What job? Grifting free designer y-fronts? He doesn’t have a job. He doesn’t do anything. He has no plans no ideas no clue no nothing. They are all sitting there in the cabinet like a bunch of brain damaged battery hens hearing a weird electric noise in the warehouse
    next door

    They have absolutely no strategy for getting Britain out of this mess, virtually all their instincts are to make things worse. They already know they are a one term government so they are simply going to extract as much cash as they can for themselves then run away
    I get no sense of defeatism or corruption. That's all in your head. What I do detect is that they are finding it hard to establish a narrative and an identity. But that's not the end of the world. If the policies bring improvement to key areas like housing and health this is more important than having a narrative and an identity.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,869
    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    I'm sure @TheScreamingEagles can fashion a header out of this.

    OnlyFans is now accessible in China, a move that could boost the UK economy significantly

    A Labour insider told me ‘This is exactly what Lammy’s progressive realism is about!’ as he attempts to justify the recent overtures to the East made by the government

    ahttps://x.com/maxtempers/status/1866080378903314544

    Overweight northern women are in demand for video entertainment in china?
    This is a market I have zero knowledge of.
    Which is why I offered the story to TSE.
    Africa or South America, surely?

    @Leon can advise - isn't he just back from Drugsville?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,785
    MattW said:

    The case of the 71 year old Type I diabetic lady Danielle Carr-Gomm who was persuaded to stop taking her insulin for 3 days on a "Chinese Slapping Therapy" course, and died, has had its sentencing remarks published by Sky News. The 'therapist' had dealt with her on a previous course 3 months earlier.

    I was about right - it was a cultish atmosphere with a therapist who had cast off any rational moorings, and she had become dependent on him - so there was no easy escape. It would have needed something like a qualified medic on the course to intervene strongly. She had also been fasting for 3 days.

    These remarks are a model of clarity, as these things always seem to be:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOX2NRHrpjs

    Written version:

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/R-v-Hongchi-Xiao.pdf

    I think we need these published routinely for all Crown Court cases, as a transparency measure which will inform the news, and will auto-debunk for example fake claims around "sentenced to prison for posting on social media".

    If she'd been on a fast (and presuming her blood sugar was being monitored) wouldn't it have been dangerous to use insulin? She could have had a bad hypo.

    Edit: I see it was diabetic ketoacidosis. It surprises me that it took hold fatally in such a short time. Awful for her.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,441
    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    I'm sure @TheScreamingEagles can fashion a header out of this.

    OnlyFans is now accessible in China, a move that could boost the UK economy significantly

    A Labour insider told me ‘This is exactly what Lammy’s progressive realism is about!’ as he attempts to justify the recent overtures to the East made by the government

    ahttps://x.com/maxtempers/status/1866080378903314544

    Overweight northern women are in demand for video entertainment in china?
    Where is China with the One Child, preferably a boy, population kink going through the age pyramid?
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832
    edited December 9
    Nigelb said:

    Slow burn excitement though.

    ..He described the Google results as a “shining example” of improvements in error correction, but he cautioned that the very fast processing results related to calculations that were “not of much real-world use”.

    “I’m very optimistic,” he said. “I think we’re going to see a real acceleration over the next five years and then we’ll be able to say, look, this machine has calculated an interesting thing that I can explain to someone, and how it could be used in the real world.”..
    The "it measures just 4cm squared" - at the start had me puzzling whether that is 4cm2 or 16cm2. Happily they converted to standard units later on to remove the ambiguity: "about the dimensions of an After Eight mint" :smile:

    ETA: hmm, we don't seem to have support for superscript in cm2
  • The Guardian.and others are beginning to pick up the drones story.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/09/drones-new-york-new-jersey-philadelphia
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT, because this is important...

    biggles said:

    Just to add some balance here, out there in the real world most of us like Love Actually and overlook any overthought “creepiness”, noting that it’s a fantasy world.

    To tie this in with polling, it is actually tied with well-loved Christmas film Die Hard as Britain’s third favourite.

    https://yougov.co.uk/entertainment/articles/33528-public-has-spoken-elf-best-christmas-film

    Yes chosen by *8%* of those polled.

    "Most of us" ? - citation, please.

    Here's a fair assessment of the pros and cons.
    https://variety.com/2023/film/reviews/revisiting-love-actually-20-year-anniversary-1235802104/

    The pros basically amount to "it had an incredible cast", and "Curtis could still write a few good lines".

    But on balance - just effing awful.
    I’ve never seen it and given yours, MexicanPete and rcs’s wifes view on it I’m less and less likely to.
    I disagree with the paint drying assessment.
    That's quite a relaxing activity.

    In contrast, there's an awful lot going on in the movie.
    Depends on the paint. With the right kind of paint and limited ventilation, you can get the feeling that there's a lot of weird shit going on and then a feeling of nausea, which is quite a good match for the experience of watching the film.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,158
    On topic, I think on balance I would have to say "Neither", as the stuff I like is counterbalanced by the bollocks that I don't.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,166
    Here's the story in a bit more detail.

    https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-computers-cross-critical-error-threshold-20241209/
    ..interest in the surface code remained confined to a small community of theorists — people who weren’t working with qubits in the lab. Their papers used an abstract mathematical framework foreign to the experimentalists who were.

    “It was just really hard to understand what’s going on,” recalled John Martinis (opens a new tab), a physicist at the University of California, Santa Barbara who is one such experimentalist. “It was like me reading a string theory paper.”

    In 2008, a theorist named Austin Fowler (opens a new tab) set out to change that by promoting the advantages of the surface code to experimentalists throughout the United States. After four years, he found a receptive audience in the Santa Barbara group led by Martinis. Fowler, Martinis and two other researchers wrote a 50-page paper (opens a new tab) that outlined a practical implementation of the surface code. They estimated that with enough clever engineering, they’d eventually be able to reduce the error rates of their physical qubits to 0.1%, far below the surface-code threshold. Then in principle they could scale up the size of the grid to reduce the error rate of the logical qubits to an arbitrarily low level. It was a blueprint for a full-scale quantum computer...

    ...In August, a new batch of 105-qubit Willow chips came out, but by then the team was approaching a hard deadline — the testing cycle for the next round of design improvements was about to begin. Satzinger began to make peace with the idea that they wouldn’t have time to run those final experiments.

    “I was sort of mentally letting go of distance-7,” he said. Then, the night before the deadline, two new team members, Gabrielle Roberts and Alec Eickbusch, stayed up until 3 a.m. to get everything working well enough to collect data. When the group returned the following morning, they saw that going from a distance-5 to a distance-7 code had once again cut the logical qubit’s error rate in half. This kind of exponential scaling — where the error rate drops by the same factor with each step up in code distance — is precisely what the theory predicts. It was an unambiguous sign that they’d reduced the physical qubits’ error rates well below the surface-code threshold...


    So physical proof of the maths.
    It's perhaps analogous to the first solid state transistor demonstration, at Bell Labs in 1947.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,441

    And ON topic - assuming the plan is to do the difficult stuff upfront, isn't this the kind of polling you would expect?

    Honestly, what did the public expect? It was never going to be easy for whatever government that took over.

    I think my beef with the current lot is that despite claiming to have a plan, and having had a decent time where it was obvious that they would be in power, they give every impression of arriving in power without said plan (not in all areas, to be sure). Starmer in particular played the Ming vase strategy to perfection and was rewarded with one of the most 'unjust' super majorities imaginable.*

    What is the plan for growth, other than saying we want lots of growth? Where is the evidence from other countries that have managed to trigger lots of growth? Can we do what they did? Thats what we need. Not lies/half-truths about unexpected black holes in the finances.


    *But thats the system that both major parties like!

    I think the plan for growth is a closer relationship with Europe, invest in green energy, and fix the public sector, all of which seem sensible to me.
    And at the moment, "hasn't worked yet" and "won't work" look pretty much the same on the ground. Which is all most of us can go on.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,158

    I am not sure a UK jury would have reached the same verdict. But our definition regarding the self-defence plea is a little more robust. In the US, "I was scared so I snapped his neck/ strangled him" seems like justifiable action.
    Really?

    "[Kenneth] Noye fatally stabbed Detective Constable John Fordham, who was involved in the police surveillance of Noye, in the grounds of his home on 26 January 1985. Acquitted of murder on the grounds of self-defence in December of that year..."
  • Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A little unpleasant, unnecessary and out of character there BigG. Are we only allowed to espouse right wing views these days?
    Not at all and I do not espouse right wing views

    However, maybe a little reflection by Starmer's cheer leader is maybe appropriate
    Perhaps you could demand a thesis contrasting Currygate with Partygate.
    On a more serious note, did you have problems with storm damage?

    I notice no trains are running in North Wales today, some large trees in the park were felled, but we were fortunate only to have superficial damage notwithstanding the 80mph winds

    However, Llandudno really felt the force of it especially the pier

    Mercifully, no injuries or fatalities reported here, nor were the crews called to sea at the height of the storm
    Thanks for asking.

    Lost a tile, which fell onto the extension roof smashing a couple of other tiles. Fortunately it missed the Velux windows by mere inches. Garden looking ragged but it does in winter anyway. Felt ripped off the shed roof, but replaced Sunday. Cars and bees fine though. Internet and Sky TV were down for 36 hours.

    I trust you were OK.

    I live in a village on the headland around half a mile from the sea. It is always hard hit in a storm but this one was above and beyond.
    You fared worse than we did at our home but we were fortunate the storm came from the North West and living on the Little Orme we were sheltered somewhat by it

    We are within 300 yards of the sea, and look out on it, and it was really rough and dangerous

    We had intermittent Sky and Internet but not a bad as yourself

    The good thing is as far as I am aware nobody was badly injured or worse in Wales

    Certainly in near 50 years in our home, we have not experienced anything like it and all today I have been pressure spraying our windows and our car which were obscured by a mixture of salt and sand
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,785
    edited December 9

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A little unpleasant, unnecessary and out of character there BigG. Are we only allowed to espouse right wing views these days?
    Not at all and I do not espouse right wing views

    However, maybe a little reflection by Starmer's cheer leader is maybe appropriate
    It just makes me laugh that *this* is what PB's plurality of centrist Dads have been longing for 14 long years. This. Joke. Of a Government.
  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 270

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The number of Labour voters satisfied or not dissatisfied is a lot higher than I would have thought.

    Labour are being blamed for 14 years of Tory failure in terms of immigration, law and order and transport.

    On all of those they are already taking firm action.

    You can't build prisons and sort the transport network in 5 months but people will see efforts bearing fruit.

    I bet anyone now that net migration declared next December will be at least 200,000 lower than now.

    The deepest unpopularity relates to WFA and Labour may well tweak this for next winter.

    Farmers IHT will become a vote winner for Labour when the majority realise the sort of hooray Henry's and tossers like Clarkson will be the types caught.

    Starmer is a grafter and a fixer and he will graft and fix and get things sorted.

    The Tories have a complete dud as a leader so will have to change again in 2026 and the more people see if Farage and Trump and Musk, the Farage bubble will burst.

    Key data will be NHS improvement and Education from cradle to work improving and in this regard Streeting and Phillipson are relatively young talents and communicators that no other Parties have.

    Sat in the Shadows is the most impressive Politician in any Party right now in Darren Jones.

    Labour will be pooing 35% plus by December 2026...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,158

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    As I've remarked before, I'm sure, and I'm becoming ever more sure, that Starmer, when he moved into politics never expected, or even wanted, to be PM. It was a question of if not him, then who?
    It would have been Lisa Nandy if the franchise had been restricted to PB Labour members.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,989
    edited December 9

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The number of Labour voters satisfied or not dissatisfied is a lot higher than I would have thought.

    Labour are being blamed for 14 years of Tory failure in terms of immigration, law and order and transport.

    On all of those they are already taking firm action.

    You can't build prisons and sort the transport network in 5 months but people will see efforts bearing fruit.

    I bet anyone now that net migration declared next December will be at least 200,000 lower than now.

    The deepest unpopularity relates to WFA and Labour may well tweak this for next winter.

    Farmers IHT will become a vote winner for Labour when the majority realise the sort of hooray Henry's and tossers like Clarkson will be the types caught.

    Starmer is a grafter and a fixer and he will graft and fix and get things sorted.

    The Tories have a complete dud as a leader so will have to change again in 2026 and the more people see if Farage and Trump and Musk, the Farage bubble will burst.

    Key data will be NHS improvement and Education from cradle to work improving and in this regard Streeting and Phillipson are relatively young talents and communicators that no other Parties have.

    Sat in the Shadows is the most impressive Politician in any Party right now in Darren Jones.

    Labour will be pooing 35% plus by December 2026...
    LMAO....25% is more likely and by the way you can't spell grifter has an I not an A as third letter
  • Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    FPT, because this is important...

    biggles said:

    Just to add some balance here, out there in the real world most of us like Love Actually and overlook any overthought “creepiness”, noting that it’s a fantasy world.

    To tie this in with polling, it is actually tied with well-loved Christmas film Die Hard as Britain’s third favourite.

    https://yougov.co.uk/entertainment/articles/33528-public-has-spoken-elf-best-christmas-film

    Yes chosen by *8%* of those polled.

    "Most of us" ? - citation, please.

    Here's a fair assessment of the pros and cons.
    https://variety.com/2023/film/reviews/revisiting-love-actually-20-year-anniversary-1235802104/

    The pros basically amount to "it had an incredible cast", and "Curtis could still write a few good lines".

    But on balance - just effing awful.
    I’ve never seen it and given yours, MexicanPete and rcs’s wifes view on it I’m less and less likely to.
    It's not terrible and if you like a good cringe there are a few moments.

    Some of the vignettes work better than others. I quite like the Colin Firth, the Liam Neason/ Musk's ex wife's husband and the Martin Freeman/ Joanna Paige stories.
    What about "The only thing worse to find in a box than Gywneth Paltrow's head is a Joni Mitchell CD" bit?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,869
    edited December 9

    I am not sure a UK jury would have reached the same verdict. But our definition regarding the self-defence plea is a little more robust. In the US, "I was scared so I snapped his neck/ strangled him" seems like justifiable action.
    Penny had him in a strangulation hold for 6 minutes, including nearly a minute after he was dead.

    IMO that's horribly excessive, but in the USA citizens are far more tolerated killing each other.

    There's a decent video about it on this page, which is better than the "kangeroo court" rhetoric coming from Fox.

    https://www.thefp.com/p/jordan-neely-daniel-penny-f-train-bodycam-video
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,068
    MattW said:

    I am not sure a UK jury would have reached the same verdict. But our definition regarding the self-defence plea is a little more robust. In the US, "I was scared so I snapped his neck/ strangled him" seems like justifiable action.
    Penny had him in a strangulation hold for 6 minutes, including nearly a minute after he was dead.

    IMO that's horribly excessive, but in the USA citizens are far more tolerated killing each other.

    There's a decent video about it on this page, which is better than the "kangeroo court" rhetoric coming from Fox.

    https://www.thefp.com/p/jordan-neely-daniel-penny-f-train-bodycam-video
    Personally, though I don't know the ins and outs of this case, in general, I'm more aligned with the USA here. It still rankles slightly with me that that fella in Lincolnshire 20-odd years ago was convicted for shooting those lads who repeatedly broke into his house.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,549
    Pagan2 said:

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The number of Labour voters satisfied or not dissatisfied is a lot higher than I would have thought.

    Labour are being blamed for 14 years of Tory failure in terms of immigration, law and order and transport.

    On all of those they are already taking firm action.

    You can't build prisons and sort the transport network in 5 months but people will see efforts bearing fruit.

    I bet anyone now that net migration declared next December will be at least 200,000 lower than now.

    The deepest unpopularity relates to WFA and Labour may well tweak this for next winter.

    Farmers IHT will become a vote winner for Labour when the majority realise the sort of hooray Henry's and tossers like Clarkson will be the types caught.

    Starmer is a grafter and a fixer and he will graft and fix and get things sorted.

    The Tories have a complete dud as a leader so will have to change again in 2026 and the more people see if Farage and Trump and Musk, the Farage bubble will burst.

    Key data will be NHS improvement and Education from cradle to work improving and in this regard Streeting and Phillipson are relatively young talents and communicators that no other Parties have.

    Sat in the Shadows is the most impressive Politician in any Party right now in Darren Jones.

    Labour will be pooing 35% plus by December 2026...
    LMAO....25% is more likely and by the way you can't spell grifter has an I not an A as third letter
    Grafter has a different meaning than grifter?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,810
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    It's probably not possible but I think SKS should pay zero attention to opinion polling until early 2026. Just get on with the job and pretend the public doesn't exist.

    What job? Grifting free designer y-fronts? He doesn’t have a job. He doesn’t do anything. He has no plans no ideas no clue no nothing. They are all sitting there in the cabinet like a bunch of brain damaged battery hens hearing a weird electric noise in the warehouse
    next door

    They have absolutely no strategy for getting Britain out of this mess, virtually all their instincts are to make things worse. They already know they are a one term government so they are simply going to extract as much cash as they can for themselves then run away
    I get no sense of defeatism or corruption. That's all in your head. What I do detect is that they are finding it hard to establish a narrative and an identity. But that's not the end of the world. If the policies bring improvement to key areas like housing and health this is more important than having a narrative and an identity.
    So far Dom C has proven pretty shrewd in his assessments.

    Boris - The Trolley
    Liz T - The Human Hand Grenade
    Sir K - The Dud
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 4,089
    edited December 9
    Honestly thought it would be a lot worse than that with the commentary we get on here.

    The good news for SKS is that there are years for something to pop up. If he does anything positive he will get rewarded.

    Planning is the first place to look. Some good soundings this week but I want to see the new NPPF first.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,255
    https://x.com/pronouncedalva/status/1866176164055703686

    NEW: Wes Streeting is the subject of an official complaint to the Labour party for his jokes about Louise Haigh at the Spectator party last week.

    His comments were "bullying" and "uncomradely" according to the complaint, seen by Bloomberg.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,393
    £1.68bn accounts trick inflated water firm's books
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd75nqwdpj7o

    Panorama vs Severn Trent.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,476

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The number of Labour voters satisfied or not dissatisfied is a lot higher than I would have thought.

    Labour are being blamed for 14 years of Tory failure in terms of immigration, law and order and transport.

    On all of those they are already taking firm action.

    You can't build prisons and sort the transport network in 5 months but people will see efforts bearing fruit.

    I bet anyone now that net migration declared next December will be at least 200,000 lower than now.

    The deepest unpopularity relates to WFA and Labour may well tweak this for next winter.

    Farmers IHT will become a vote winner for Labour when the majority realise the sort of hooray Henry's and tossers like Clarkson will be the types caught.

    Starmer is a grafter and a fixer and he will graft and fix and get things sorted.

    The Tories have a complete dud as a leader so will have to change again in 2026 and the more people see if Farage and Trump and Musk, the Farage bubble will burst.

    Key data will be NHS improvement and Education from cradle to work improving and in this regard Streeting and Phillipson are relatively young talents and communicators that no other Parties have.

    Sat in the Shadows is the most impressive Politician in any Party right now in Darren Jones.

    Labour will be pooing 35% plus by December 2026...
    Laydeez, gennulnen and ye intersexers, we have the most epic typo in the history of pb

    “Labour will be pooing 35% plus by December 2026”
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,073
    Cookie said:

    MattW said:

    I am not sure a UK jury would have reached the same verdict. But our definition regarding the self-defence plea is a little more robust. In the US, "I was scared so I snapped his neck/ strangled him" seems like justifiable action.
    Penny had him in a strangulation hold for 6 minutes, including nearly a minute after he was dead.

    IMO that's horribly excessive, but in the USA citizens are far more tolerated killing each other.

    There's a decent video about it on this page, which is better than the "kangeroo court" rhetoric coming from Fox.

    https://www.thefp.com/p/jordan-neely-daniel-penny-f-train-bodycam-video
    Personally, though I don't know the ins and outs of this case, in general, I'm more aligned with the USA here. It still rankles slightly with me that that fella in Lincolnshire 20-odd years ago was convicted for shooting those lads who repeatedly broke into his house.
    Shooting people from behind, as they run, with an illegally owned firearm (illegal to own, even with your previously confiscated shotgun certificate), is a bit frowned on in the U.K.

    Especially when there is evidence that you lay in ambush, armed, for the suspects. Premeditation and all that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,255
    Interesting thread on Israel’s land grab in Syria:

    https://x.com/nhazony/status/1866140280467939391

  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,869
    edited December 9

    MattW said:

    The case of the 71 year old Type I diabetic lady Danielle Carr-Gomm who was persuaded to stop taking her insulin for 3 days on a "Chinese Slapping Therapy" course, and died, has had its sentencing remarks published by Sky News. The 'therapist' had dealt with her on a previous course 3 months earlier.

    I was about right - it was a cultish atmosphere with a therapist who had cast off any rational moorings, and she had become dependent on him - so there was no easy escape. It would have needed something like a qualified medic on the course to intervene strongly. She had also been fasting for 3 days.

    These remarks are a model of clarity, as these things always seem to be:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOX2NRHrpjs

    Written version:

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/R-v-Hongchi-Xiao.pdf

    I think we need these published routinely for all Crown Court cases, as a transparency measure which will inform the news, and will auto-debunk for example fake claims around "sentenced to prison for posting on social media".

    If she'd been on a fast (and presuming her blood sugar was being monitored) wouldn't it have been dangerous to use insulin? She could have had a bad hypo.

    Edit: I see it was diabetic ketoacidosis. It surprises me that it took hold fatally in such a short time. Awful for her.
    DKA can happen rapidly - well under a day is possible. One of the functions of a basal insulin component, ie the normal continuous insulin required by a body, is to inhibit it - that is as opposed to the bolus which is released to metabolise carbohydrate.

    So if all insulin has been stopped, that may exacerbate. And once DKA starts, insulin action is inhibited by the DKA, so it is tougher to recover - that's why recommended action if DKA is discovered (ketone levels in the bloodstream above a trigger level) is call 999 or go to A&E. If the ketones are not reduced rapidly, it becomes difficult to treat.

    This is part of the reason why Type Is take care when fasting eg if doing the Ignation Exercises, or if a Muslim diabetic opts to fast during Ramadan (normally a medical exception would apply), only the bolus insulin would be stopped.

    And if a Type I is not testing, they won't know beyond detecting symptoms themselves. It is quite possible he had stopped her testing - he had done that on a previous occasion in Oz where a 6 year old child died after he convinced the parents to stop treatment.

    Many other factors can also make it more difficult to treat by affecting insulin action, including things as simple as having an infection. Personally I dislike excessively hot weather as it throws my normal insulin action off, and I have to bugger about with my insulin ratios. On occasion I have had to boost my doses by 50-100% for the same food item at the same time of day in high summer compared to normal. On other occasions the action can be more rapid, so the insulin action beats the metabolisation of the food - depending on how quickly the food releases its sugar.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,476
    I’m sorry, I know I’m infantile, but I’m sitting in a sunlit square in Cartagena trying to buy an antique that will work as a garlic bowl and I laughed out loud at the idea Labour will be pooing 35% plus, by December 2026

    It’s not just that Labour are going to be pooing a massive amount - 35% - but they could be pooing even more than that - pooing maybe 35% PLUS - and they are going to cleverly time this extraordinary level of pooing - possibly combined with even more pooing - the pooing is going to be so great we can’t be sure of the exact levels of pooing - with the run up to the festive season
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,828

    £1.68bn accounts trick inflated water firm's books
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd75nqwdpj7o

    Panorama vs Severn Trent.

    Big claim, that. Someone's going to end up with egg on their face.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,073
    Leon said:

    I’m sorry, I know I’m infantile, but I’m sitting in a sunlit square in Cartagena trying to buy an antique that will work as a garlic bowl and I laughed out loud at the idea Labour will be pooing 35% plus, by December 2026

    It’s not just that Labour are going to be pooing a massive amount - 35% - but they could be pooing even more than that - pooing maybe 35% PLUS - and they are going to cleverly time this extraordinary level of pooing - possibly combined with even more pooing - the pooing is going to be so great we can’t be sure of the exact levels of pooing - with the run up to the festive season

    Poo poohing a Pooing? Serious stuff

    https://youtu.be/QeF1JO7Ki8E?t=29&si=ds6OOip9WepBpnWW
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,869
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    The case of the 71 year old Type I diabetic lady Danielle Carr-Gomm who was persuaded to stop taking her insulin for 3 days on a "Chinese Slapping Therapy" course, and died, has had its sentencing remarks published by Sky News. The 'therapist' had dealt with her on a previous course 3 months earlier.

    I was about right - it was a cultish atmosphere with a therapist who had cast off any rational moorings, and she had become dependent on him - so there was no easy escape. It would have needed something like a qualified medic on the course to intervene strongly. She had also been fasting for 3 days.

    These remarks are a model of clarity, as these things always seem to be:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOX2NRHrpjs

    Written version:

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/R-v-Hongchi-Xiao.pdf

    I think we need these published routinely for all Crown Court cases, as a transparency measure which will inform the news, and will auto-debunk for example fake claims around "sentenced to prison for posting on social media".

    If she'd been on a fast (and presuming her blood sugar was being monitored) wouldn't it have been dangerous to use insulin? She could have had a bad hypo.

    Edit: I see it was diabetic ketoacidosis. It surprises me that it took hold fatally in such a short time. Awful for her.
    DKA can happen rapidly - well under a day is possible. One of the functions of a basal insulin component, ie the normal continuous insulin required by a body, is to inhibit it - that is as opposed to the bolus which is released to metabolise carbohydrate.

    So if all insulin has been stopped, that may exacerbate. And once DKA starts, insulin action is inhibited by the DKA, so it is tougher to recover - that's why recommended action if DKA is discovered (ketone levels in the bloodstream above a trigger level) is call 999 or go to A&E. If the ketones are not reduced rapidly, it becomes difficult to treat.

    This is part of the reason why Type Is take care when fasting eg if doing the Ignation Exercises, or if a Muslim diabetic opts to fast during Ramadan (normally a medical exception would apply), only the bolus insulin would be stopped.

    And if a Type I is not testing, they won't know beyond detecting symptoms themselves. It is quite possible he had stopped her testing - he had done that on a previous occasion in Oz where a 6 year old child died after he convinced the parents to stop treatment.

    Many other factors can also make it more difficult to treat by affecting insulin action, including things as simple as having an infection. Personally I dislike excessively hot weather as it throws my normal insulin action off, and I have to bugger about with my insulin ratios. On occasion I have had to boost my doses by 50-100% for the same food item at the same time of day in high summer compared to normal. On other occasions the action can be more rapid, so the insulin action beats the metabolisation of the food - depending on how quickly the food releases its sugar.
    Missed an important bit about suspected DKA:

    (ketone levels in the bloodstream above a trigger level)

    should be

    (ketone levels in the bloodstream above a trigger level, and cannot be brought back down for a time)
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,708
    I wonder if Sir Keir will be tempted to hit the nuke button any time soon. By this I mean move Rachel to Foreign Sec. I know it's received wisdom these days that PM and CoE must be joined at the hip and if the latter falls then the former is doomed. However, I'm just not sensing that sort of dynamic between Sir Keir and Rachel. She seems eminently dispensable to me and Sir Keir could easily carry on with life. It will surely cross his mind if things continue to flatline.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,476
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    It's probably not possible but I think SKS should pay zero attention to opinion polling until early 2026. Just get on with the job and pretend the public doesn't exist.

    What job? Grifting free designer y-fronts? He doesn’t have a job. He doesn’t do anything. He has no plans no ideas no clue no nothing. They are all sitting there in the cabinet like a bunch of brain damaged battery hens hearing a weird electric noise in the warehouse
    next door

    They have absolutely no strategy for getting Britain out of this mess, virtually all their instincts are to make things worse. They already know they are a one term government so they are simply going to extract as much cash as they can for themselves then run away
    I get no sense of defeatism or corruption. That's all in your head. What I do detect is that they are finding it hard to establish a narrative and an identity. But that's not the end of the world. If the policies bring improvement to key areas like housing and health this is more important than having a narrative and an identity.
    “Some, even from within the party’s own ranks, are already catastrophising that this is doomed to be a one-term administration.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/17/why-labours-high-command-has-become-very-obsessed-with-bills-and-borders

    There’s loads of this if you look carefully and read between the lines. Which you don’t and which you can’t
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,029

    Leon said:

    I’m sorry, I know I’m infantile, but I’m sitting in a sunlit square in Cartagena trying to buy an antique that will work as a garlic bowl and I laughed out loud at the idea Labour will be pooing 35% plus, by December 2026

    It’s not just that Labour are going to be pooing a massive amount - 35% - but they could be pooing even more than that - pooing maybe 35% PLUS - and they are going to cleverly time this extraordinary level of pooing - possibly combined with even more pooing - the pooing is going to be so great we can’t be sure of the exact levels of pooing - with the run up to the festive season

    Poo poohing a Pooing? Serious stuff

    https://youtu.be/QeF1JO7Ki8E?t=29&si=ds6OOip9WepBpnWW
    Morale totally destroyed!
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,471
    I'm actually surprised that as many as one in five are pleased by what Labour have done in office so far. Since July, nobody has particularly benefited from Labour's policies, so what have people got to be pleased about? Even the rise in the minimum wage, which will please quite a lot of people, doesn't take effect until next April.

    Ask again in December 2027, and if it's still only one in five who are pleased then Starmer has a big problem. After a few months though, it's meaningless data.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,989

    Pagan2 said:

    Never mind @Shecorns88 will be along shortly to say how wonderful Starmer and Reeves are

    But then 19% agree with him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The number of Labour voters satisfied or not dissatisfied is a lot higher than I would have thought.

    Labour are being blamed for 14 years of Tory failure in terms of immigration, law and order and transport.

    On all of those they are already taking firm action.

    You can't build prisons and sort the transport network in 5 months but people will see efforts bearing fruit.

    I bet anyone now that net migration declared next December will be at least 200,000 lower than now.

    The deepest unpopularity relates to WFA and Labour may well tweak this for next winter.

    Farmers IHT will become a vote winner for Labour when the majority realise the sort of hooray Henry's and tossers like Clarkson will be the types caught.

    Starmer is a grafter and a fixer and he will graft and fix and get things sorted.

    The Tories have a complete dud as a leader so will have to change again in 2026 and the more people see if Farage and Trump and Musk, the Farage bubble will burst.

    Key data will be NHS improvement and Education from cradle to work improving and in this regard Streeting and Phillipson are relatively young talents and communicators that no other Parties have.

    Sat in the Shadows is the most impressive Politician in any Party right now in Darren Jones.

    Labour will be pooing 35% plus by December 2026...
    LMAO....25% is more likely and by the way you can't spell grifter has an I not an A as third letter
    Grafter has a different meaning than grifter?
    grafter = someone that works hard
    grifter = someone that scams hard
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,828

    I wonder if Sir Keir will be tempted to hit the nuke button any time soon. By this I mean move Rachel to Foreign Sec. I know it's received wisdom these days that PM and CoE must be joined at the hip and if the latter falls then the former is doomed. However, I'm just not sensing that sort of dynamic between Sir Keir and Rachel. She seems eminently dispensable to me and Sir Keir could easily carry on with life. It will surely cross his mind if things continue to flatline.

    It would be his second relaunch. As Wilde might have put it: To relaunch once, Mr Starmer, may be regarded as a misfortune. To relaunch twice looks like carelessness.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,073
    edited December 9
    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    I’m sorry, I know I’m infantile, but I’m sitting in a sunlit square in Cartagena trying to buy an antique that will work as a garlic bowl and I laughed out loud at the idea Labour will be pooing 35% plus, by December 2026

    It’s not just that Labour are going to be pooing a massive amount - 35% - but they could be pooing even more than that - pooing maybe 35% PLUS - and they are going to cleverly time this extraordinary level of pooing - possibly combined with even more pooing - the pooing is going to be so great we can’t be sure of the exact levels of pooing - with the run up to the festive season

    Poo poohing a Pooing? Serious stuff

    https://youtu.be/QeF1JO7Ki8E?t=29&si=ds6OOip9WepBpnWW
    Morale totally destroyed!
    Party Regiment had to be disbanded!
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,828

    I'm actually surprised that as many as one in five are pleased by what Labour have done in office so far. Since July, nobody has particularly benefited from Labour's policies, so what have people got to be pleased about? Even the rise in the minimum wage, which will please quite a lot of people, doesn't take effect until next April.

    Ask again in December 2027, and if it's still only one in five who are pleased then Starmer has a big problem. After a few months though, it's meaningless data.

    Some people may be pleased that Labour are "annoying all the right people" - say, on private schools.
  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 270
    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    I’m sorry, I know I’m infantile, but I’m sitting in a sunlit square in Cartagena trying to buy an antique that will work as a garlic bowl and I laughed out loud at the idea Labour will be pooing 35% plus, by December 2026

    It’s not just that Labour are going to be pooing a massive amount - 35% - but they could be pooing even more than that - pooing maybe 35% PLUS - and they are going to cleverly time this extraordinary level of pooing - possibly combined with even more pooing - the pooing is going to be so great we can’t be sure of the exact levels of pooing - with the run up to the festive season

    Poo poohing a Pooing? Serious stuff

    https://youtu.be/QeF1JO7Ki8E?t=29&si=ds6OOip9WepBpnWW
    Morale totally destroyed!
    I was being polite

    They'll be scrapping on the Tories and Reform
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,591
    Cookie said:

    MattW said:

    I am not sure a UK jury would have reached the same verdict. But our definition regarding the self-defence plea is a little more robust. In the US, "I was scared so I snapped his neck/ strangled him" seems like justifiable action.
    Penny had him in a strangulation hold for 6 minutes, including nearly a minute after he was dead.

    IMO that's horribly excessive, but in the USA citizens are far more tolerated killing each other.

    There's a decent video about it on this page, which is better than the "kangeroo court" rhetoric coming from Fox.

    https://www.thefp.com/p/jordan-neely-daniel-penny-f-train-bodycam-video
    Personally, though I don't know the ins and outs of this case, in general, I'm more aligned with the USA here. It still rankles slightly with me that that fella in Lincolnshire 20-odd years ago was convicted for shooting those lads who repeatedly broke into his house.
    Juries hardly ever convict in the UK if they think the person is acting reasonably. Go Google (or ChatGPT) and ask them about the number of times people have been convicted (or even charged) with defending themselves or their home, and you would be amazed how rarely it happens.

    IIRC, Tony Martin was convicted because he shot them in the back as they ran away.

    I think the trick with these things is to create an offence - but a lessor one - to enable people to be convicted when they do overstep the line. Without basically allowing people to just tie up, torture and murder people who break into their home.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,869
    edited December 9
    Cookie said:

    MattW said:

    I am not sure a UK jury would have reached the same verdict. But our definition regarding the self-defence plea is a little more robust. In the US, "I was scared so I snapped his neck/ strangled him" seems like justifiable action.
    Penny had him in a strangulation hold for 6 minutes, including nearly a minute after he was dead.

    IMO that's horribly excessive, but in the USA citizens are far more tolerated killing each other.

    There's a decent video about it on this page, which is better than the "kangeroo court" rhetoric coming from Fox.

    https://www.thefp.com/p/jordan-neely-daniel-penny-f-train-bodycam-video
    Personally, though I don't know the ins and outs of this case, in general, I'm more aligned with the USA here. It still rankles slightly with me that that fella in Lincolnshire 20-odd years ago was convicted for shooting those lads who repeatedly broke into his house.
    Leaving aside the USA culture, I think the issue is that the defendant did not back off when his objective was achieved.

    Restraint is one thing, though in the UK with no provocation that would be battery; keeping a man in a tight choke hold for a number of minutes (in this case, 6) until he stops moving and goes limp is so far beyond restraint imo as to be on the line of deliberate killing. IMO there is no way it can be justified.

    Our definition of reasonable force is pertinent. In this case I am not even aware that there was any attack at all.

    If there is some relatively minor attack it would not be common sense to permit some action of retaliation which was wholly out of proportion to the necessities of the situation. If an attack is serious so that it puts someone in immediate peril then immediate defensive action may be necessary. If the moment is one of crisis for someone in imminent danger he may have [to] avert the danger by some instant reaction. If the attack is all over and no sort of peril remains then the employment of force may be by way of revenge or punishment or by way of paying off an old score or may be pure aggression.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defence_in_English_law
  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 270
    Leon said:

    I’m sorry, I know I’m infantile, but I’m sitting in a sunlit square in Cartagena trying to buy an antique that will work as a garlic bowl and I laughed out loud at the idea Labour will be pooing 35% plus, by December 2026

    It’s not just that Labour are going to be pooing a massive amount - 35% - but they could be pooing even more than that - pooing maybe 35% PLUS - and they are going to cleverly time this extraordinary level of pooing - possibly combined with even more pooing - the pooing is going to be so great we can’t be sure of the exact levels of pooing - with the run up to the festive season

    I blame you for fecking up my programming
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,324
    MattW said:

    kenObi said:

    MattW said:

    The case of the 71 year old Type I diabetic lady Danielle Carr-Gomm who was persuaded to stop taking her insulin for 3 days on a "Chinese Slapping Therapy" course, and died, has had its sentencing remarks published by Sky News. The 'therapist' had dealt with her on a previous course 3 months earlier.

    I was about right - it was a cultish atmosphere with a therapist who had cast off any rational moorings, and she had become dependent on him - so there was no easy escape. It would have needed something like a qualified medic on the course to intervene strongly. She had also been fasting for 3 days.

    These remarks are a model of clarity, as these things always seem to be:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOX2NRHrpjs

    Written version:

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/R-v-Hongchi-Xiao.pdf

    I think we need these published routinely for all Crown Court cases, as a transparency measure which will inform the news, and will auto-debunk for example fake claims around "sentenced to prison for posting on social media".

    I'd agree but courts are clogged up enough without adding additional time requirements on to judges.
    Some are sentencing a dozen cases a day.
    I don't see how it adds additional time requirements to Judges.

    They make the sentencing remarks in Court, and they have to be recorded so that they can be supplied to media or anybody else who requests them.

    It's purely a very small - in the context of the expenditure to run any case - clerical task.
    Yes, but it spoils the narrative of "He got 32 years in jail for farting at a police car". So less for our PBers to moan about.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,476

    Leon said:

    I’m sorry, I know I’m infantile, but I’m sitting in a sunlit square in Cartagena trying to buy an antique that will work as a garlic bowl and I laughed out loud at the idea Labour will be pooing 35% plus, by December 2026

    It’s not just that Labour are going to be pooing a massive amount - 35% - but they could be pooing even more than that - pooing maybe 35% PLUS - and they are going to cleverly time this extraordinary level of pooing - possibly combined with even more pooing - the pooing is going to be so great we can’t be sure of the exact levels of pooing - with the run up to the festive season

    Poo poohing a Pooing? Serious stuff

    https://youtu.be/QeF1JO7Ki8E?t=29&si=ds6OOip9WepBpnWW
    One of my favourite Blackadder scenes. Ben Elton at his best knew the humour value of infantile rude words, repeated
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