COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
Governments have reached a deal on carbon markets at Cop29, paving the way for country-to-country carbon trading and the creation of a regulated global market to meet Paris targets. Further technical rules will need to be sorted in 2025 but this is a major boost to carbon trading proponents following years of controversy.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
The variable seems to be your level of acceptance rather than the policies themselves.
The same level of brutality will suddenly become acceptable as soon as it comes under the banner of international cooperation and has a nice EU or UN flag attached to it instead of an ugly British one.
This implies I'm shallow. Uncalled for.
Entirely called for.
Nothing is more acceptable because its "internationalist" in nature.
The USSR was "internationalist" - it was also an oppressive, repressive, backwards dictatorship.
That's not a relevant contribution. We're talking about enlightened cooperation not totalitarian conquest. There's nothing shallow about enlightened cooperation. Our future is bleak without it so you'd better hope I'm right.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
They are back in the room and talking it seems. Pity. These used to be about targets and putting in place policies. Now, like the commonwealth meeting, it is just one big shakedown for cash from wealthy nations.
Grandstanding politicians have been happy to spunk our money away with no mandate must to feel good and get nice comments on social media.
Charities and NGOs pushing for it as they get a fair chunk of this money to manage,
These fuckers are after $1 trillion a year. Jog on. It won’t stop there. It never does.
Paying poorer countries to keep their emissions in check makes good sense so long as the money is strictly dependent on agreed emissions targets being reached.
Most reassuring. That’s bound to happen. 🙄
These nations want $1 Trillion a year. Where’s that going to come from ?
It doesn’t grow on trees and interest rates are not going to come down as quickly as hoped and the west has a lot of debt. Including the US.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet
Find me a source: number of people jailed for tweets = ? Bet you can't make it add up to more than 20.
It's such hyperbolic nonsense.
In 2023 over 3000 were arrested for social media offences a large number of whom were jailed, this year will be significantly higher than that. Even in Russia in 2023 only 400 were arrested for social media offences
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
He can't. He wants to live in his bubble.
We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
Oh my goodness, yes I am seriously interested! Why The War Games? There are many I would have preferred from Troughton's era (Tomb, Invasion, Web of Fear, Enemy Of The World). I hope they did as good a job as they did with the Daleks. Hopefully it will become a yearly tradition.
It would be excellent if that was the case.
I suspect the last two episodes will be full of bright and vivid colours and probably why this was chosen.
I suspect it is parts 1,2,9,10 with a small amount of the intervening escape, get caught, escape get caught stuff.
Also looks,like they’ve managed to work a troughton to pertwee regen.
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
Oh my goodness, yes I am seriously interested! Why The War Games? There are many I would have preferred from Troughton's era (Tomb, Invasion, Web of Fear, Enemy Of The World). I hope they did as good a job as they did with the Daleks. Hopefully it will become a yearly tradition.
It would be excellent if that was the case.
I suspect the last two episodes will be full of bright and vivid colours and probably why this was chosen. Web they could work around not having part 3 but I think Invasion, as good as it would be, would be a struggle without part 1.
I think Mind Robber and Krotons would be really good colourised too.
I suspect it is parts 1,2,9,10 with a small amount of the intervening escape, get caught, escape get caught stuff.
Also looks,like they’ve managed to work a troughton to pertwee regen.
I've run some of my old VHS 'divx' files through some of the recent "AI" upscalers. They are surprisingly good. Even "The Web Planet" doesn't look quite as bad as you'd expect.
I ripped all my DVDs to MP4s, I wonder if that would work as well
Did you add colour too or just upscale the B&W ?
I have seen some AI upscaled footage, colourised too, of London during the blitz and similar and it is very good.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
Yeah okay, makes sense, I wouldn't call that populism, though. But maybe it's just a definition confusion as Whispering Oracle has said.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
That's what you WISH, but it's Utopian nonsense
Of course it isn't. Enlightened self-interest via collective cooperation is one of human history's defining forces. We'd be nothing without it.
At the end of the day there are always intractable conflicting interests, no matter how much you might want to wish them away.
No, on this Kinabalu is right. We'll get to a point where we accept that global cooperation on migration and climate adaptation (and these will increasingly merge as policy areas) benefits us all. I suspect we'll have a big war before we realise this, though.
What do you mean by that though? Correct me if I'm wrong but I suspect that what you mean by 'global cooperation' is actually just western countries agreeing between themselves to take their 'fair share' and not cooperation to prevent the flow of people that will inevitably destabilise our societies.
Fair question, you're wrong.
I think large scale migration is a symptom of policy failure, not a solution to anything.
Without wishing to write an essay in response, to me global cooperation would have the following elements: - a recognition from all parties involved that, whilst a minority of migrants enrich themselves and the communities they move to, for the majority the choice to migrate is because they are unable to fulfil some basic need in their home community. And the communities who experience onward migration, whilst they might benefit economically, experience severe cultural dislocation. - Global cooperation should be about supporting more of the world's population to meet their basic needs in their home communities, such that migration is limited to a choice made by those who are more footloose, like Leon, rather than something forced on people. - Of course, with the power imbalances in the world today, 'cooperation' always means 'money'. I think the role of western countries is to accept the degree to which our current wealth has accrued from resource (including human resource) extraction from less wealthy parts of the world, and that our responsibilities lie in rederessing that balance to a sensible and negotiated degree.
This is, of course, an ideal and I have sympathy with the argument that it wouldn't be possible to actually achieve. Nevertheless, to retain the idealism for a moment longer: many on the left venerate migration as freeing and culturally enriching. If we achieved my list above, I think we'd end up in a world where global migration flows were far lower but the migration that did happen would live up to the left's ideals.
I hope that makes at least some sense!
Your premise is wrong.
Large scale migration is a symptom of success not failure.
When people can't afford the basics they can't afford to migrate either.
Migration increases, it doesn't decrease, as people become wealthier.
Recent decades have seen billions be lifted out of what would have been previously termed poverty. The world is healthier and wealthier than it ever has been. Including for poorer countries.
As a result, people can afford to move.
Migration only increased to the level elected governments let it, increasingly western electorates are electing rightwing populist governments as they believe it has already gone too far
Is it also possible it's because those populists offer them free sweeties?
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet
Find me a source: number of people jailed for tweets = ? Bet you can't make it add up to more than 20.
It's such hyperbolic nonsense.
In 2023 over 3000 were arrested for social media offences a large number of whom were jailed, this year will be significantly higher than that. Even in Russia in 2023 only 400 were arrested for social media offences
It does explain the bullshit you're spouting, but there was no source there.
Of course, she is a former banker and author and he is a journalist who has been on QT regularly on the BBC
LOL.
So now anyone who has been on QT is "objective"?
I think those who go on QT typically do because they're precisely the opposite. Objective people (a) don't exist and (b) would not be interesting if they did.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
If that was the majority wish of the country then so be it.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
We seriously need to enhance our air defences. Iron dome showed us what can be done. Stories like this show what can happen if you don't. Of course, ideally, we would think about this before we gave Ukraine permission to use our missiles to hit Russia, not afterwards.
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
Oh my goodness, yes I am seriously interested! Why The War Games? There are many I would have preferred from Troughton's era (Tomb, Invasion, Web of Fear, Enemy Of The World). I hope they did as good a job as they did with the Daleks. Hopefully it will become a yearly tradition.
It would be excellent if that was the case.
I suspect the last two episodes will be full of bright and vivid colours and probably why this was chosen. Web they could work around not having part 3 but I think Invasion, as good as it would be, would be a struggle without part 1.
I think Mind Robber and Krotons would be really good colourised too.
I suspect it is parts 1,2,9,10 with a small amount of the intervening escape, get caught, escape get caught stuff.
Also looks,like they’ve managed to work a troughton to pertwee regen.
I've run some of my old VHS 'divx' files through some of the recent "AI" upscalers. They are surprisingly good. Even "The Web Planet" doesn't look quite as bad as you'd expect.
I ripped all my DVDs to MP4s, I wonder if that would work as well
Did you add colour too or just upscale the B&W ?
I have seen some AI upscaled footage, colourised too, of London during the blitz and similar and it is very good.
Just let it upscale the B&W. I faintly feel like it's a bit of a diss to colourise the work of people who understood their work was going to be shown in B&W. Not so bothered when it's documentary footage - but... for the original luvvies. Would they really have chosen that shade of pink next to that orange? I think not.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Bosnia is only just majority Muslim, 50.7%. Orthodox 30.7%, Catholic 15.2%, Other 1.2%, Atheist/Agnostic 1.0%, not stated 1.1%
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
If that was the majority wish of the country then so be it.
I strongly disagree there - an important democratic tradition is protecting the rights of minorities.
Deference to Sharia was one of the fundamental issues with the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam produced in 1990 by the member states of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC).
We need an evolved version of Islam with different emphases to those which are shouted about by people trying to scaremonger, with which the rest of us can live. Such traditions have developed and do exist, but the role of eg Salafis and Wahabis needs to be diluted.
One example is that there are certain Muslim countries which have neglected or removed the death penalty.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
If that was the majority wish of the country then so be it.
I strongly disagree there - an important democratic tradition is protecting the rights of minorities.
Deference to Sharia was one of the fundamental issues with the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam produced in 1990 by the member states of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC).
We need an evolved version of Islam, with which the rest of us can live.
We seriously need to enhance our air defences. Iron dome showed us what can be done. Stories like this show what can happen if you don't. Of course, ideally, we would think about this before we gave Ukraine permission to use our missiles to hit Russia, not afterwards.
"We seriously need to enhance our ${A}. ${B} showed us what can be done. Stories like this show what can happen if you don't. Of course, ideally, we would think about this before we ${decided_X} to ${result_Y}, not afterwards."
I feel like I've just written out the mail-merge template for the previous and next 50 years of UK government.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet
Find me a source: number of people jailed for tweets = ? Bet you can't make it add up to more than 20.
It's such hyperbolic nonsense.
In 2023 over 3000 were arrested for social media offences a large number of whom were jailed, this year will be significantly higher than that. Even in Russia in 2023 only 400 were arrested for social media offences
It does explain the bullshit you're spouting, but there was no source there.
Of course, she is a former banker and author and he is a journalist who has been on QT regularly on the BBC
LOL.
So now anyone who has been on QT is "objective"?
I think those who go on QT typically do because they're precisely the opposite. Objective people (a) don't exist and (b) would not be interesting if they did.
For the record, I have no idea how many people were arrested in the UK, or in Russia, in 2023 for posts on social media. Not a clue.
But since it appears that you do have an idea, as clearly you disagree with HYUFD's source on the matter, how many people do you think were arrested in the UK in 2023 for things they said on social media, and how many in Russia?
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Those countries saw conversions to Islam over centuries of rule by the Ottoman Empire, rather than because of events in modern times. Islamic traditions in the area are largely Sufist, very different from the sort of beliefs and sharia law favoured by Sunnis in Saudi Arabia or Shi’as in Iran.
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
Oh my goodness, yes I am seriously interested! Why The War Games? There are many I would have preferred from Troughton's era (Tomb, Invasion, Web of Fear, Enemy Of The World). I hope they did as good a job as they did with the Daleks. Hopefully it will become a yearly tradition.
It would be excellent if that was the case.
I suspect the last two episodes will be full of bright and vivid colours and probably why this was chosen. Web they could work around not having part 3 but I think Invasion, as good as it would be, would be a struggle without part 1.
I think Mind Robber and Krotons would be really good colourised too.
I suspect it is parts 1,2,9,10 with a small amount of the intervening escape, get caught, escape get caught stuff.
Also looks,like they’ve managed to work a troughton to pertwee regen.
I've run some of my old VHS 'divx' files through some of the recent "AI" upscalers. They are surprisingly good. Even "The Web Planet" doesn't look quite as bad as you'd expect.
I ripped all my DVDs to MP4s, I wonder if that would work as well
Did you add colour too or just upscale the B&W ?
I have seen some AI upscaled footage, colourised too, of London during the blitz and similar and it is very good.
Just let it upscale the B&W. I faintly feel like it's a bit of a diss to colourise the work of people who understood their work was going to be shown in B&W. Not so bothered when it's documentary footage - but... for the original luvvies. Would they really have chosen that shade of pink next to that orange? I think not.
I do like the colourised versions but I get your point totally and I can recall seeing three different coloured pictures of Zoe in her tunic in Wheel in Space.
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
Oh my goodness, yes I am seriously interested! Why The War Games? There are many I would have preferred from Troughton's era (Tomb, Invasion, Web of Fear, Enemy Of The World). I hope they did as good a job as they did with the Daleks. Hopefully it will become a yearly tradition.
It would be excellent if that was the case.
I suspect the last two episodes will be full of bright and vivid colours and probably why this was chosen.
I suspect it is parts 1,2,9,10 with a small amount of the intervening escape, get caught, escape get caught stuff.
Also looks,like they’ve managed to work a troughton to pertwee regen.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
We seriously need to enhance our air defences. Iron dome showed us what can be done. Stories like this show what can happen if you don't. Of course, ideally, we would think about this before we gave Ukraine permission to use our missiles to hit Russia, not afterwards.
Iron Dome could and should have been commenced 10 to 15 years ago
It wasn't.
Austerity has a lot to answer for. What little we've invested in Armed Forces since the 2.5% level was gradually reduced from 2010 to now, has been spent on 20th century functionality and completely failed to understand 21st century needs.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet
Find me a source: number of people jailed for tweets = ? Bet you can't make it add up to more than 20.
It's such hyperbolic nonsense.
In 2023 over 3000 were arrested for social media offences a large number of whom were jailed, this year will be significantly higher than that. Even in Russia in 2023 only 400 were arrested for social media offences
It does explain the bullshit you're spouting, but there was no source there.
Of course, she is a former banker and author and he is a journalist who has been on QT regularly on the BBC
LOL.
So now anyone who has been on QT is "objective"?
I think those who go on QT typically do because they're precisely the opposite. Objective people (a) don't exist and (b) would not be interesting if they did.
For the record, I have no idea how many people were arrested in the UK, or in Russia, in 2023 for posts on social media. Not a clue.
But since it appears that you do have an idea, as clearly you disagree with HYUFD's source on the matter, how many people do you think were arrested in the UK in 2023 for things they said on social media, and how many in Russia?
Do they arrest people before they defenestrate them?
"Anything you do say will be used as an excuse to chuck you out of this window"
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
Oh my goodness, yes I am seriously interested! Why The War Games? There are many I would have preferred from Troughton's era (Tomb, Invasion, Web of Fear, Enemy Of The World). I hope they did as good a job as they did with the Daleks. Hopefully it will become a yearly tradition.
It would be excellent if that was the case.
I suspect the last two episodes will be full of bright and vivid colours and probably why this was chosen. Web they could work around not having part 3 but I think Invasion, as good as it would be, would be a struggle without part 1.
I think Mind Robber and Krotons would be really good colourised too.
I suspect it is parts 1,2,9,10 with a small amount of the intervening escape, get caught, escape get caught stuff.
Also looks,like they’ve managed to work a troughton to pertwee regen.
I've run some of my old VHS 'divx' files through some of the recent "AI" upscalers. They are surprisingly good. Even "The Web Planet" doesn't look quite as bad as you'd expect.
I ripped all my DVDs to MP4s, I wonder if that would work as well
Did you add colour too or just upscale the B&W ?
I have seen some AI upscaled footage, colourised too, of London during the blitz and similar and it is very good.
Just let it upscale the B&W. I faintly feel like it's a bit of a diss to colourise the work of people who understood their work was going to be shown in B&W. Not so bothered when it's documentary footage - but... for the original luvvies. Would they really have chosen that shade of pink next to that orange? I think not.
I do like the colourised versions but I get your point totally and I can recall seeing three different coloured pictures of Zoe in her tunic in Wheel in Space.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
He can't. He wants to live in his bubble.
We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
It doesn't look like we're going to be offered the choice. Not wanting our daughters to live under Sharia Law is racist, see?
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Those countries saw conversions to Islam over centuries of rule by the Ottoman Empire, rather than because of events in modern times. Islamic traditions in the area are largely Sufist, very different from the sort of beliefs and sharia law favoured by Sunnis in Saudi Arabia or Shi’as in Iran.
Yes - roughly agree.
Some SE Asia countries are further similar examples, such as Indonesia.
I also wonder whether in time more traditions will come to accept that the Ahmadis count as Muslim.
We seriously need to enhance our air defences. Iron dome showed us what can be done. Stories like this show what can happen if you don't. Of course, ideally, we would think about this before we gave Ukraine permission to use our missiles to hit Russia, not afterwards.
Putin would be quaffing vodka from Zelensky’s skull in Kyiv if we waited for the UK to update its air defences before giving Ukraine permission for strategic strikes. Not that that outcome isn’t out of the question anyway.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
He can't. He wants to live in his bubble.
We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
8.2% by 2030 is the latest projection (5.5 million British Muslims). The 2031 Census may show it to be an underestimate but not to the extent of there being 10% Muslim for example.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Those countries saw conversions to Islam over centuries of rule by the Ottoman Empire, rather than because of events in modern times. Islamic traditions in the area are largely Sufist, very different from the sort of beliefs and sharia law favoured by Sunnis in Saudi Arabia or Shi’as in Iran.
Like Bosnia (see upthread), Albania is only just:
Muslim 50.7% Not stated 15.8% Catholic 8.4% Orthodox 7.2% Atheist 3.6% Other 0.5%
We seriously need to enhance our air defences. Iron dome showed us what can be done. Stories like this show what can happen if you don't. Of course, ideally, we would think about this before we gave Ukraine permission to use our missiles to hit Russia, not afterwards.
"We seriously need to enhance our ${A}. ${B} showed us what can be done. Stories like this show what can happen if you don't. Of course, ideally, we would think about this before we ${decided_X} to ${result_Y}, not afterwards."
I feel like I've just written out the mail-merge template for the previous and next 50 years of UK government.
Well, as long as my get my commission on it I'm fine with that.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are certainly illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either so even if not full Sharia LGBT rights would likely regress
If they are what AARO says is not its resoonsibility , the Pentagon doesn't even know if they are drones.
Similar phenomena were seen over U.S. military sites in Morris County, New Jersey, last week, and local residents said an accounts from local authorities as for them being drones were stretching credulity.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
From the 2001 to the 2021 census, Islam went from 2.7% to 5.97%, so that’s an increase of 3.27%, or 0.16% per year. If we project that trend forward, the UK will reach 50% Muslim in 269 more years. That is, in 2290. I think it unlikely any trend would actually continue for over two and a half centuries.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
Oh my goodness, yes I am seriously interested! Why The War Games? There are many I would have preferred from Troughton's era (Tomb, Invasion, Web of Fear, Enemy Of The World). I hope they did as good a job as they did with the Daleks. Hopefully it will become a yearly tradition.
It would be excellent if that was the case.
I suspect the last two episodes will be full of bright and vivid colours and probably why this was chosen. Web they could work around not having part 3 but I think Invasion, as good as it would be, would be a struggle without part 1.
I think Mind Robber and Krotons would be really good colourised too.
I suspect it is parts 1,2,9,10 with a small amount of the intervening escape, get caught, escape get caught stuff.
Also looks,like they’ve managed to work a troughton to pertwee regen.
I've run some of my old VHS 'divx' files through some of the recent "AI" upscalers. They are surprisingly good. Even "The Web Planet" doesn't look quite as bad as you'd expect.
I ripped all my DVDs to MP4s, I wonder if that would work as well
Did you add colour too or just upscale the B&W ?
I have seen some AI upscaled footage, colourised too, of London during the blitz and similar and it is very good.
Just let it upscale the B&W. I faintly feel like it's a bit of a diss to colourise the work of people who understood their work was going to be shown in B&W. Not so bothered when it's documentary footage - but... for the original luvvies. Would they really have chosen that shade of pink next to that orange? I think not.
I do like the colourised versions but I get your point totally and I can recall seeing three different coloured pictures of Zoe in her tunic in Wheel in Space.
I see any remastering work of past films not as the remaster vs. the original but the remaster vs. other entertainment.
Colourising an old BBC drama, ridding it of its murky video recorded colouring, or any other technical deficiency, in order to make it more palatable to a modern audience, isn't an issue for me, because I'd prefer that modern audience to be watching that, then potentially go and watch the original, than watch some other shite made yesterday by Amazon.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either
Both Albania and Bosnia are only 50.7% Muslim.
Kosovo is heavily Muslim, but is strongly secularised and is ranked first in Southern Europe as free and equal for tolerance towards religion and atheism.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
He can't. He wants to live in his bubble.
We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
It doesn't look like we're going to be offered the choice. Not wanting our daughters to live under Sharia Law is racist, see?
As per my last post, if we project current trends, the country won’t reach 50% Muslim until 2290. Are your daughters likely to be alive in 2290? You are scaremongering about something that isn’t going to happen. That does come across as a teensy bit racist, t.b.h.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
From the 2001 to the 2021 census, Islam went from 2.7% to 5.97%, so that’s an increase of 3.27%, or 0.16% per year. If we project that trend forward, the UK will reach 50% Muslim in 269 more years. That is, in 2290. I think it unlikely any trend would actually continue for over two and a half centuries.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
That's not how it works, the replacement rate for Muslims is much higher than it is for non-Muslims in the UK - they have more kids per family than everyone else so the growth isn't linear. I'd have thought someone with your background would have been able to work that out. You probably did but it wouldn't help your stupid point I guess.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
He can't. He wants to live in his bubble.
We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
I agree, but that means necessarily at some point:
European countries bring in nation- or culture-specific restrictions on Islamic migration, which at the moment is entirely unpalatable to a lot of lefties, or indeed lots of people (and I can see why)
And/or
European countries start restricting displays of Islamic religion as a deterrent. Minarets, burqas, etc. We already see that in France and Switzerland
And/or
European countries start "voluntary deportation" of migrants. Already happening in Sweden
I predict this will all get a lot worse before it gets better
We seriously need to enhance our air defences. Iron dome showed us what can be done. Stories like this show what can happen if you don't. Of course, ideally, we would think about this before we gave Ukraine permission to use our missiles to hit Russia, not afterwards.
Putin would be quaffing vodka from Zelensky’s skull in Kyiv if we waited for the UK to update its air defences before giving Ukraine permission for strategic strikes. Not that that outcome isn’t out of the question anyway.
Ukraine is already doing strategic strikes with US and UK missiles, in any cases the airbases in question are US with F15s to defend them
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Those countries saw conversions to Islam over centuries of rule by the Ottoman Empire, rather than because of events in modern times. Islamic traditions in the area are largely Sufist, very different from the sort of beliefs and sharia law favoured by Sunnis in Saudi Arabia or Shi’as in Iran.
Like Bosnia (see upthread), Albania is only just:
Muslim 50.7% Not stated 15.8% Catholic 8.4% Orthodox 7.2% Atheist 3.6% Other 0.5%
That's interesting - that's quite a sharp decline in % Muslim over time.
The 2023 census says a minority, but does it by splitting out a sub group called Bektashism , a Sufi order. This only happens in Albania.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Those countries saw conversions to Islam over centuries of rule by the Ottoman Empire, rather than because of events in modern times. Islamic traditions in the area are largely Sufist, very different from the sort of beliefs and sharia law favoured by Sunnis in Saudi Arabia or Shi’as in Iran.
Like Bosnia (see upthread), Albania is only just:
Muslim 50.7% Not stated 15.8% Catholic 8.4% Orthodox 7.2% Atheist 3.6% Other 0.5%
Sufis and Greeks in the South of Albania, the rest being mainly secular Muslim, I think. Highly unusual country, which in my experience has quite a lot of potential beyond its stereotypes.
We seriously need to enhance our air defences. Iron dome showed us what can be done. Stories like this show what can happen if you don't. Of course, ideally, we would think about this before we gave Ukraine permission to use our missiles to hit Russia, not afterwards.
Putin would be quaffing vodka from Zelensky’s skull in Kyiv if we waited for the UK to update its air defences before giving Ukraine permission for strategic strikes. Not that that outcome isn’t out of the question anyway.
Ukraine is already doing strategic strikes with US and UK missiles
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
From the 2001 to the 2021 census, Islam went from 2.7% to 5.97%, so that’s an increase of 3.27%, or 0.16% per year. If we project that trend forward, the UK will reach 50% Muslim in 269 more years. That is, in 2290. I think it unlikely any trend would actually continue for over two and a half centuries.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
I have to believe that by 2290 humanity will have outgrown all religions. All organised religions at least.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
He can't. He wants to live in his bubble.
We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
I agree, but that means necessarily at some point:
European countries bring in nation- or culture-specific restrictions on Islamic migration, which at the moment is entirely unpalatable to a lot of lefties, or indeed lots of people (and I can see why)
And/or
European countries start restricting displays of Islamic religion as a deterrent. Minarets, burqas, etc. We already see that in France and Switzerland
And/or
European countries start "voluntary deportation" of migrants. Already happening in Sweden
I predict this will all get a lot worse before it gets better
I think restricting and revoking visas and residency for people who don't align to our cultural values is necessary. It's going to upset people but we're allowing the viper into the nest because people are scared to say that vipers aren't good for nests.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either
Both Albania and Bosnia are only 50.7% Muslim.
Kosovo is heavily Muslim, but is strongly secularised and is ranked first in Southern Europe as free and equal for tolerance towards religion and atheism.
Yes, so even 50.7% Muslim means same sex marriage is banned
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are certainly illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either so even if not full Sharia LGBT rights would likely regress
LGBT rights are also limited in Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania, which are all largely Christian, so is it Islam in Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo, or something about those countries being in the Balkans?
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
From the 2001 to the 2021 census, Islam went from 2.7% to 5.97%, so that’s an increase of 3.27%, or 0.16% per year. If we project that trend forward, the UK will reach 50% Muslim in 269 more years. That is, in 2290. I think it unlikely any trend would actually continue for over two and a half centuries.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
No, that's you avoiding the question - yet again - like the duplicitous lefty carpet-stain that you are
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
From the 2001 to the 2021 census, Islam went from 2.7% to 5.97%, so that’s an increase of 3.27%, or 0.16% per year. If we project that trend forward, the UK will reach 50% Muslim in 269 more years. That is, in 2290. I think it unlikely any trend would actually continue for over two and a half centuries.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
I thought you were more numerate than that.
It's more than doubled in the space of 20 years. If you want to project that trend forwards you need to make some attempt to understand what is driving it. Have you looked at factors like differential birth rates and immigration rates?
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Those countries saw conversions to Islam over centuries of rule by the Ottoman Empire, rather than because of events in modern times. Islamic traditions in the area are largely Sufist, very different from the sort of beliefs and sharia law favoured by Sunnis in Saudi Arabia or Shi’as in Iran.
Like Bosnia (see upthread), Albania is only just:
Muslim 50.7% Not stated 15.8% Catholic 8.4% Orthodox 7.2% Atheist 3.6% Other 0.5%
That's interesting - that's quite a sharp decline in % Muslim over time.
The 2023 census says a minority, but does it by splitting out a sub group called Bektashism , a Sufi order. This only happens in Albania.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are certainly illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either so even if not full Sharia LGBT rights would likely regress
LGBT rights are also limited in Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania, which are all largely Christian, so is it Islam in Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo, or something about those countries being in the Balkans?
Slovenia is in the Balkans and has same sex marriage and Croatia has civil unions. No Muslim majority nation has same sex marriage.
Women are also discouraged from working with men in the same workplaces in Islam
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
From the 2001 to the 2021 census, Islam went from 2.7% to 5.97%, so that’s an increase of 3.27%, or 0.16% per year. If we project that trend forward, the UK will reach 50% Muslim in 269 more years. That is, in 2290. I think it unlikely any trend would actually continue for over two and a half centuries.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
That's not how it works, the replacement rate for Muslims is much higher than it is for non-Muslims in the UK - they have more kids per family than everyone else so the growth isn't linear. I'd have thought someone with your background would have been able to work that out. You probably did but it wouldn't help your stupid point I guess.
Immigrant populations rapidly move to have fertility rates like the local population. This happens in a few generations. Third generation from a Pakistani or Bangladeshi heritage have a similar number of kids to White British parents, as do third generation from an Indian/Hindu heritage.
How many kids have you had? How many kids did your grandparents or great-grandparents have?
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are certainly illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either so even if not full Sharia LGBT rights would likely regress
LGBT rights are also limited in Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania, which are all largely Christian, so is it Islam in Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo, or something about those countries being in the Balkans?
Slovenia is in the Balkans and has same sex marriage and Croatia has civil unions
Uganda is Christian and punishes being gay with life imprisonment, and actual gay sex with the death penalty.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Those countries saw conversions to Islam over centuries of rule by the Ottoman Empire, rather than because of events in modern times. Islamic traditions in the area are largely Sufist, very different from the sort of beliefs and sharia law favoured by Sunnis in Saudi Arabia or Shi’as in Iran.
Like Bosnia (see upthread), Albania is only just:
Muslim 50.7% Not stated 15.8% Catholic 8.4% Orthodox 7.2% Atheist 3.6% Other 0.5%
That's interesting - that's quite a sharp decline in % Muslim over time.
The 2023 census says a minority, but does it by splitting out a sub group called Bektashism , a Sufi order. This only happens in Albania.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either
Both Albania and Bosnia are only 50.7% Muslim.
Kosovo is heavily Muslim, but is strongly secularised and is ranked first in Southern Europe as free and equal for tolerance towards religion and atheism.
Yes, so even 50.7% Muslim means same sex marriage is banned
Yet another tedious anti monarchy republican rant of an article by Liberal Radical non Tory TSE.
The Daily Star is a leftwing tabloid rag of a paper which hardly anybody reads nowadays and AN Wilson is just a historian who occasionally comments in the Daily Mail and likes being contrarian.
The fact is the coronation raised far more in tourist revenue than it cost, indeed when we went up to London for the spectacular event there were tourists from Europe, America and all over the world with us who had come specifically to the UK to watch it. It is not as if Presidents don't have costly inaugrations either, US presidential inaugrations cost over $100 milliion every 4 years and they don't even have an NHS at all as a bottomless pit to pour endless billions of taxpayers money into but a mostly private health insurance system
Why should our taxes be poured into the London tourist industry's pockets? Even if your assertion is correct.
Unless the London tourist industry had so many extra tourists *over and above a normal period at the same time of year* that the extra tax amounted to markedly more than £72M over and above the additional take.
It probably did given the number of foreign tourists staying in hotels and eating in London restaurants specifically to view the coronation
You say. Your claim is, I submit, bollocks given the time of year andf the complete lack of data.
The CEBR say that on the day the date of the coronation was announced flight bookings to the UK went up by 149%
Rumours of more ATACMS being fired but again it appears to be in Kursk. One might have expected a bit more after permission was granted for their use, alongside Storm Shadow, last week. It does suggest that the Biden decision was yet another attempt at 'escalation management' to reduce he Russian momentum. They appear to have no interest in helping Ukraine negotiate an end to the war on the most favourable terms or applying maximum pressure to Putin, who's response to the Ukrainian missiles was just more of the same sabre rattling we've become used to.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
Like the idea that JFK has died of natural cause by now anyways?
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either
Both Albania and Bosnia are only 50.7% Muslim.
Kosovo is heavily Muslim, but is strongly secularised and is ranked first in Southern Europe as free and equal for tolerance towards religion and atheism.
Yes, so even 50.7% Muslim means same sex marriage is banned
No, being a Balkan country means same sex marriage is banned.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either
Both Albania and Bosnia are only 50.7% Muslim.
Kosovo is heavily Muslim, but is strongly secularised and is ranked first in Southern Europe as free and equal for tolerance towards religion and atheism.
Yes, so even 50.7% Muslim means same sex marriage is banned
No, being a Balkan country means same sex marriage is banned.
No, as I just told you Balkan nations like Slovenia have same sex marriage
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Those countries saw conversions to Islam over centuries of rule by the Ottoman Empire, rather than because of events in modern times. Islamic traditions in the area are largely Sufist, very different from the sort of beliefs and sharia law favoured by Sunnis in Saudi Arabia or Shi’as in Iran.
Like Bosnia (see upthread), Albania is only just:
Muslim 50.7% Not stated 15.8% Catholic 8.4% Orthodox 7.2% Atheist 3.6% Other 0.5%
That's interesting - that's quite a sharp decline in % Muslim over time.
The 2023 census says a minority, but does it by splitting out a sub group called Bektashism , a Sufi order. This only happens in Albania.
Much of Europe is becoming more atheist. That’s true whether your parents were Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Sikh.
Citation required for Muslims. Most evidence shows that 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims are more militant/religiose than their migrant parents and grandparents
"Consistent with earlier studies, I found that the Muslim second-generation respondents demonstrated significantly higher levels of religiosity, with a predicted value of 6.01, compared to their Christian counterparts, who had a predicted value of 4.73.
"Interestingly, age differences did not go in the expected direction for Muslims (as shown in Figure 1). In fact, the expected pattern by which older individuals are typically more religious and younger ones more secularized was completely reversed in this case, with younger Muslims exhibiting higher levels of religiosity. Conversely, the second-generation Christian subgroup showed consistency with the trend observed in the native population, despite having much narrower gaps."
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either
Both Albania and Bosnia are only 50.7% Muslim.
Kosovo is heavily Muslim, but is strongly secularised and is ranked first in Southern Europe as free and equal for tolerance towards religion and atheism.
Yes, so even 50.7% Muslim means same sex marriage is banned
No, being a Balkan country means same sex marriage is banned.
No, as I just told you Balkan nations like Slovenia have same sex marriage
Christian countries like Uganda persecute gay people.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Those countries saw conversions to Islam over centuries of rule by the Ottoman Empire, rather than because of events in modern times. Islamic traditions in the area are largely Sufist, very different from the sort of beliefs and sharia law favoured by Sunnis in Saudi Arabia or Shi’as in Iran.
Like Bosnia (see upthread), Albania is only just:
Muslim 50.7% Not stated 15.8% Catholic 8.4% Orthodox 7.2% Atheist 3.6% Other 0.5%
That's interesting - that's quite a sharp decline in % Muslim over time.
The 2023 census says a minority, but does it by splitting out a sub group called Bektashism , a Sufi order. This only happens in Albania.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
He can't. He wants to live in his bubble.
We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
I agree, but that means necessarily at some point:
European countries bring in nation- or culture-specific restrictions on Islamic migration, which at the moment is entirely unpalatable to a lot of lefties, or indeed lots of people (and I can see why)
And/or
European countries start restricting displays of Islamic religion as a deterrent. Minarets, burqas, etc. We already see that in France and Switzerland
And/or
European countries start "voluntary deportation" of migrants. Already happening in Sweden
I predict this will all get a lot worse before it gets better
I think restricting and revoking visas and residency for people who don't align to our cultural values is necessary. It's going to upset people but we're allowing the viper into the nest because people are scared to say that vipers aren't good for nests.
Again, to repeat what I have posted many times in the past, we should be looking to Norway for our example here. 300 hours of compulsory language and culture lessons and immigrants don't get to choose where the live. They are assigned a county where they have to settle to avoid the creation of ghettos. It works.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
From the 2001 to the 2021 census, Islam went from 2.7% to 5.97%, so that’s an increase of 3.27%, or 0.16% per year. If we project that trend forward, the UK will reach 50% Muslim in 269 more years. That is, in 2290. I think it unlikely any trend would actually continue for over two and a half centuries.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
I thought you were more numerate than that.
It's more than doubled in the space of 20 years. If you want to project that trend forwards you need to make some attempt to understand what is driving it. Have you looked at factors like differential birth rates and immigration rates?
If you look at the 2011 census figures as well, it’s clear that a linear relationship fits better than an exponential one. Ergo, my maths is fine.
There has been a blip in immigration from Muslim countries under the recent Conservative government post-Brexit, but that government is out of power now. Immigration figures in total look to be now falling.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either
Both Albania and Bosnia are only 50.7% Muslim.
Kosovo is heavily Muslim, but is strongly secularised and is ranked first in Southern Europe as free and equal for tolerance towards religion and atheism.
Yes, so even 50.7% Muslim means same sex marriage is banned
No, being a Balkan country means same sex marriage is banned.
No, as I just told you Balkan nations like Slovenia have same sex marriage
Christian countries like Uganda persecute gay people.
Some do yes but some also have same sex marriage or civil unions.
Not one Muslim majority nation on earth has same sex marriage or even legal civil unions
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
From the 2001 to the 2021 census, Islam went from 2.7% to 5.97%, so that’s an increase of 3.27%, or 0.16% per year. If we project that trend forward, the UK will reach 50% Muslim in 269 more years. That is, in 2290. I think it unlikely any trend would actually continue for over two and a half centuries.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
That's not how it works, the replacement rate for Muslims is much higher than it is for non-Muslims in the UK - they have more kids per family than everyone else so the growth isn't linear. I'd have thought someone with your background would have been able to work that out. You probably did but it wouldn't help your stupid point I guess.
Immigrant populations rapidly move to have fertility rates like the local population. This happens in a few generations. Third generation from a Pakistani or Bangladeshi heritage have a similar number of kids to White British parents, as do third generation from an Indian/Hindu heritage.
How many kids have you had? How many kids did your grandparents or great-grandparents have?
But that's not what's happened for Muslim people in the UK, you want it to be true but it's not. The fertility rate among Muslims is substantially higher than among everyone else. You're going to be sitting there one day in the future while Labour passed a bunch of hateful anti-gay legislation after being pushed into it by the Muslim party and you'll be telling yourself "at least I wasn't racist like those awful Tories".
There's a weird blind spot and accomodation of Islam by the left, it's the major part of the coalition that doesn't fit and eventually they'll form their own party and the tail will wag the dog. If you can't see that then I pity you. The sad part is you're smart enough that you probably do see it and realise that it's a path we're currently heading down but you're so far gone down the "mustn't be perceived as racist" road that there's no coming back. You can't repudiate it without admitting that maybe, just maybe, allowing millions of people who are opposed to our cultural values and have very strong beliefs in a stone age religion with backwards ideas was a poor idea.
Like the rest of the establishment you might get a scintilla of realisation from time to time but the fear of what you've allowed to happen will mean you will push that realisation aside and continue as if it's not happening and pretend to yourself that we're wrong and you're right. You're not, and you know it, I know it but you will never admit it.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
He can't. He wants to live in his bubble.
We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
I agree, but that means necessarily at some point:
European countries bring in nation- or culture-specific restrictions on Islamic migration, which at the moment is entirely unpalatable to a lot of lefties, or indeed lots of people (and I can see why)
And/or
European countries start restricting displays of Islamic religion as a deterrent. Minarets, burqas, etc. We already see that in France and Switzerland
And/or
European countries start "voluntary deportation" of migrants. Already happening in Sweden
I predict this will all get a lot worse before it gets better
I think restricting and revoking visas and residency for people who don't align to our cultural values is necessary. It's going to upset people but we're allowing the viper into the nest because people are scared to say that vipers aren't good for nests.
Again, to repeat what I have posted many times in the past, we should be looking to Norway for our example here. 300 hours of compulsory language and culture lessons and immigrants don't get to choose where the live. They are assigned a county where they have to settle to avoid the creation of ghettos. It works.
Does it? Even Norway has serious problems. Probably only Denmark is seriously attempting - with success - to address this. Hence the re-election of their social democrat government, which is hard right - to an eye-watering degree by UK standards - on migration, culture, and asylum
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
From the 2001 to the 2021 census, Islam went from 2.7% to 5.97%, so that’s an increase of 3.27%, or 0.16% per year. If we project that trend forward, the UK will reach 50% Muslim in 269 more years. That is, in 2290. I think it unlikely any trend would actually continue for over two and a half centuries.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
That's not how it works, the replacement rate for Muslims is much higher than it is for non-Muslims in the UK - they have more kids per family than everyone else so the growth isn't linear. I'd have thought someone with your background would have been able to work that out. You probably did but it wouldn't help your stupid point I guess.
Immigrant populations rapidly move to have fertility rates like the local population. This happens in a few generations. Third generation from a Pakistani or Bangladeshi heritage have a similar number of kids to White British parents, as do third generation from an Indian/Hindu heritage.
How many kids have you had? How many kids did your grandparents or great-grandparents have?
But that's not what's happened for Muslim people in the UK, you want it to be true but it's not. The fertility rate among Muslims is substantially higher than among everyone else. You're going to be sitting there one day in the future while Labour passed a bunch of hateful anti-gay legislation after being pushed into it by the Muslim party and you'll be telling yourself "at least I wasn't racist like those awful Tories".
There's a weird blind spot and accomodation of Islam by the left, it's the major part of the coalition that doesn't fit and eventually they'll form their own party and the tail will wag the dog. If you can't see that then I pity you. The sad part is you're smart enough that you probably do see it and realise that it's a path we're currently heading down but you're so far gone down the "mustn't be perceived as racist" road that there's no coming back. You can't repudiate it without admitting that maybe, just maybe, allowing millions of people who are opposed to our cultural values and have very strong beliefs in a stone age religion with backwards ideas was a poor idea.
Like the rest of the establishment you might get a scintilla of realisation from time to time but the fear of what you've allowed to happen will mean you will push that realisation aside and continue as if it's not happening and pretend to yourself that we're wrong and you're right. You're not, and you know it, I know it but you will never admit it.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are certainly illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either so even if not full Sharia LGBT rights would likely regress
LGBT rights are also limited in Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania, which are all largely Christian, so is it Islam in Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo, or something about those countries being in the Balkans?
Slovenia is in the Balkans and has same sex marriage and Croatia has civil unions. No Muslim majority nation has same sex marriage.
Women are also discouraged from working with men in the same workplaces in Islam
Slovenia and Croatia are more western looking. I referred you already to Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania. You can also add North Macedonia. Moldova, Ukraine and eastwards also have no recognition of same sex marriages. Rights are limited in Slovakia, Poland and Lithuania. The dividing line in Europe is clearly not Muslim/non-Muslim.
The UK government is hiring a new negotiator to help deliver a “reset” of relations with Europe.
The job posting says the role will lead the government's relationship with the European Union and negotiations with the EU "on key UK interests", with mentions of trade, security and border policy.
I think I'll apply for that, it is a job suited my skill set.
Why waste your time they advertised it because they must they already know who is getting it and will be someone with none of those skills but with important links to someone in another non job that they want to keep onside
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
From the 2001 to the 2021 census, Islam went from 2.7% to 5.97%, so that’s an increase of 3.27%, or 0.16% per year. If we project that trend forward, the UK will reach 50% Muslim in 269 more years. That is, in 2290. I think it unlikely any trend would actually continue for over two and a half centuries.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
That's not how it works, the replacement rate for Muslims is much higher than it is for non-Muslims in the UK - they have more kids per family than everyone else so the growth isn't linear. I'd have thought someone with your background would have been able to work that out. You probably did but it wouldn't help your stupid point I guess.
Immigrant populations rapidly move to have fertility rates like the local population. This happens in a few generations. Third generation from a Pakistani or Bangladeshi heritage have a similar number of kids to White British parents, as do third generation from an Indian/Hindu heritage.
How many kids have you had? How many kids did your grandparents or great-grandparents have?
But that's not what's happened for Muslim people in the UK, you want it to be true but it's not. The fertility rate among Muslims is substantially higher than among everyone else. You're going to be sitting there one day in the future while Labour passed a bunch of hateful anti-gay legislation after being pushed into it by the Muslim party and you'll be telling yourself "at least I wasn't racist like those awful Tories".
There's a weird blind spot and accomodation of Islam by the left, it's the major part of the coalition that doesn't fit and eventually they'll form their own party and the tail will wag the dog. If you can't see that then I pity you. The sad part is you're smart enough that you probably do see it and realise that it's a path we're currently heading down but you're so far gone down the "mustn't be perceived as racist" road that there's no coming back. You can't repudiate it without admitting that maybe, just maybe, allowing millions of people who are opposed to our cultural values and have very strong beliefs in a stone age religion with backwards ideas was a poor idea.
Like the rest of the establishment you might get a scintilla of realisation from time to time but the fear of what you've allowed to happen will mean you will push that realisation aside and continue as if it's not happening and pretend to yourself that we're wrong and you're right. You're not, and you know it, I know it but you will never admit it.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
He can't. He wants to live in his bubble.
We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
I agree, but that means necessarily at some point:
European countries bring in nation- or culture-specific restrictions on Islamic migration, which at the moment is entirely unpalatable to a lot of lefties, or indeed lots of people (and I can see why)
And/or
European countries start restricting displays of Islamic religion as a deterrent. Minarets, burqas, etc. We already see that in France and Switzerland
And/or
European countries start "voluntary deportation" of migrants. Already happening in Sweden
I predict this will all get a lot worse before it gets better
I think restricting and revoking visas and residency for people who don't align to our cultural values is necessary. It's going to upset people but we're allowing the viper into the nest because people are scared to say that vipers aren't good for nests.
Again, to repeat what I have posted many times in the past, we should be looking to Norway for our example here. 300 hours of compulsory language and culture lessons and immigrants don't get to choose where the live. They are assigned a county where they have to settle to avoid the creation of ghettos. It works.
Does it? Even Norway has serious problems. Probably only Denmark is seriously attempting - with success - to address this. Hence the re-election of their social democrat government, which is hard right - to an eye-watering degree by UK standards - on migration, culture, and asylum
Norway has serious problems with right wing biker gangs buring down churches. They don't have any real issues with immigrant populations - certainly nothing to copare with most other European countries.
If you remember this is why I was so convinced - along with you - that the 2011 attacks would turn out to be a right wing nutter rather than a muslim attack.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
From the 2001 to the 2021 census, Islam went from 2.7% to 5.97%, so that’s an increase of 3.27%, or 0.16% per year. If we project that trend forward, the UK will reach 50% Muslim in 269 more years. That is, in 2290. I think it unlikely any trend would actually continue for over two and a half centuries.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
I thought you were more numerate than that.
It's more than doubled in the space of 20 years. If you want to project that trend forwards you need to make some attempt to understand what is driving it. Have you looked at factors like differential birth rates and immigration rates?
If you look at the 2011 census figures as well, it’s clear that a linear relationship fits better than an exponential one. Ergo, my maths is fine.
There has been a blip in immigration from Muslim countries under the recent Conservative government post-Brexit, but that government is out of power now. Immigration figures in total look to be now falling.
The figures over that period are distorted by the one-off anomaly caused by EU expansion which temporarily inflated Christian immigration.
"Fertility rates among Muslim women in the UK tend to decrease with each successive generation. Recent Muslim immigrants often have higher fertility rates (3.4) compared to second (2.6) or third-generation Muslims (2.1). This trend aligns with broader patterns observed among immigrant populations, where fertility rates typically converge with national averages over time."
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are certainly illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either so even if not full Sharia LGBT rights would likely regress
LGBT rights are also limited in Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania, which are all largely Christian, so is it Islam in Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo, or something about those countries being in the Balkans?
Slovenia is in the Balkans and has same sex marriage and Croatia has civil unions. No Muslim majority nation has same sex marriage.
Women are also discouraged from working with men in the same workplaces in Islam
Slovenia and Croatia are more western looking. I referred you already to Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania. You can also add North Macedonia. Moldova, Ukraine and eastwards also have no recognition of same sex marriages. Rights are limited in Slovakia, Poland and Lithuania. The dividing line in Europe is clearly not Muslim/non-Muslim.
Yeah, the major dividing line in Europe, between outright homophobia and allowing gay marriage, is a weird kind of Iron Curtain with strange ziz zags, probably caused by Lech Walesa, and nothing at all to do with whether there are majority Muslim populations in certain countries that believe homosexuality should be punishable by death
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
I'm not aware of any large country where that has happened in modern times, though there are certain small examples. There are majoritarian Muslim smaller countries in Europe - Albania, B&H, Kosovo. I'm not sure of the status of Sharia Law in those.
Same sex marriage and civil unions are certainly illegal in Albania, same sex marriage is not legal in Kosovo or Bosnia either so even if not full Sharia LGBT rights would likely regress
LGBT rights are also limited in Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania, which are all largely Christian, so is it Islam in Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo, or something about those countries being in the Balkans?
Slovenia is in the Balkans and has same sex marriage and Croatia has civil unions. No Muslim majority nation has same sex marriage.
Women are also discouraged from working with men in the same workplaces in Islam
Slovenia and Croatia are more western looking. I referred you already to Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania. You can also add North Macedonia. Moldova, Ukraine and eastwards also have no recognition of same sex marriages. Rights are limited in Slovakia, Poland and Lithuania. The dividing line in Europe is clearly not Muslim/non-Muslim.
Not a single Muslim majority nation on earth has same sex marriage, same sex unions or a female head of state or government.
The dividing line globally is clearly Muslim/non Muslim
"Fertility rates among Muslim women in the UK tend to decrease with each successive generation. Recent Muslim immigrants often have higher fertility rates (3.4) compared to second (2.6) or third-generation Muslims (2.1). This trend aligns with broader patterns observed among immigrant populations, where fertility rates typically converge with national averages over time."
That's from the 2020 census. It may have changed, but I suspect not.
The question is whether the most recent wave will behave differently to previous waves.
"Fertility rates among Muslim women in the UK tend to decrease with each successive generation. Recent Muslim immigrants often have higher fertility rates (3.4) compared to second (2.6) or third-generation Muslims (2.1). This trend aligns with broader patterns observed among immigrant populations, where fertility rates typically converge with national averages over time."
And 2.1 is well above the national average, it's what 1.4 at the moment? Additionally the Muslim population in the UK is much younger than the average age so there are fewer older Muslims dying.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
He can't. He wants to live in his bubble.
We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
I agree, but that means necessarily at some point:
European countries bring in nation- or culture-specific restrictions on Islamic migration, which at the moment is entirely unpalatable to a lot of lefties, or indeed lots of people (and I can see why)
And/or
European countries start restricting displays of Islamic religion as a deterrent. Minarets, burqas, etc. We already see that in France and Switzerland
And/or
European countries start "voluntary deportation" of migrants. Already happening in Sweden
I predict this will all get a lot worse before it gets better
I think restricting and revoking visas and residency for people who don't align to our cultural values is necessary. It's going to upset people but we're allowing the viper into the nest because people are scared to say that vipers aren't good for nests.
Ultimately, realpolitik will beat fear of being seen to be racist.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
From the 2001 to the 2021 census, Islam went from 2.7% to 5.97%, so that’s an increase of 3.27%, or 0.16% per year. If we project that trend forward, the UK will reach 50% Muslim in 269 more years. That is, in 2290. I think it unlikely any trend would actually continue for over two and a half centuries.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
That's not how it works, the replacement rate for Muslims is much higher than it is for non-Muslims in the UK - they have more kids per family than everyone else so the growth isn't linear. I'd have thought someone with your background would have been able to work that out. You probably did but it wouldn't help your stupid point I guess.
Immigrant populations rapidly move to have fertility rates like the local population. This happens in a few generations. Third generation from a Pakistani or Bangladeshi heritage have a similar number of kids to White British parents, as do third generation from an Indian/Hindu heritage.
How many kids have you had? How many kids did your grandparents or great-grandparents have?
But that's not what's happened for Muslim people in the UK, you want it to be true but it's not. The fertility rate among Muslims is substantially higher than among everyone else. You're going to be sitting there one day in the future while Labour passed a bunch of hateful anti-gay legislation after being pushed into it by the Muslim party and you'll be telling yourself "at least I wasn't racist like those awful Tories".
There's a weird blind spot and accomodation of Islam by the left, it's the major part of the coalition that doesn't fit and eventually they'll form their own party and the tail will wag the dog. If you can't see that then I pity you. The sad part is you're smart enough that you probably do see it and realise that it's a path we're currently heading down but you're so far gone down the "mustn't be perceived as racist" road that there's no coming back. You can't repudiate it without admitting that maybe, just maybe, allowing millions of people who are opposed to our cultural values and have very strong beliefs in a stone age religion with backwards ideas was a poor idea.
Like the rest of the establishment you might get a scintilla of realisation from time to time but the fear of what you've allowed to happen will mean you will push that realisation aside and continue as if it's not happening and pretend to yourself that we're wrong and you're right. You're not, and you know it, I know it but you will never admit it.
Don't group the left into one homogeneous group. If you're concerned about "cancel culture", it's much more pernicious on this side of the spectrum because if you're campaigning on a particular issue (for me, various environmental stuff and active travel), you often get co-opted into other views which you don't actually hold. It's very awkward.
I basically agree with with what a lot of you guys are saying, but I'm naturally suspicious of your motivations. I really need a rock-solid, and very brave, lefty to put their head above the parapet.
I also note that rise in extremist views among young Muslim men mirrors that of white menelsewhere in Europe. Perhaps this the same phenomenon, and it's ultimately not based on religion.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
He can't. He wants to live in his bubble.
We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
I agree, but that means necessarily at some point:
European countries bring in nation- or culture-specific restrictions on Islamic migration, which at the moment is entirely unpalatable to a lot of lefties, or indeed lots of people (and I can see why)
And/or
European countries start restricting displays of Islamic religion as a deterrent. Minarets, burqas, etc. We already see that in France and Switzerland
And/or
European countries start "voluntary deportation" of migrants. Already happening in Sweden
I predict this will all get a lot worse before it gets better
I think restricting and revoking visas and residency for people who don't align to our cultural values is necessary. It's going to upset people but we're allowing the viper into the nest because people are scared to say that vipers aren't good for nests.
Ultimately, realpolitik will beat fear of being seen to be racist.
I think it eventually results in Nigel Farage or the future equivalent becoming PM in a Reform/Tory coalition and putting in some pretty unsavoury policies.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
He can't. He wants to live in his bubble.
We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
I agree, but that means necessarily at some point:
European countries bring in nation- or culture-specific restrictions on Islamic migration, which at the moment is entirely unpalatable to a lot of lefties, or indeed lots of people (and I can see why)
And/or
European countries start restricting displays of Islamic religion as a deterrent. Minarets, burqas, etc. We already see that in France and Switzerland
And/or
European countries start "voluntary deportation" of migrants. Already happening in Sweden
I predict this will all get a lot worse before it gets better
I think restricting and revoking visas and residency for people who don't align to our cultural values is necessary. It's going to upset people but we're allowing the viper into the nest because people are scared to say that vipers aren't good for nests.
Again, to repeat what I have posted many times in the past, we should be looking to Norway for our example here. 300 hours of compulsory language and culture lessons and immigrants don't get to choose where the live. They are assigned a county where they have to settle to avoid the creation of ghettos. It works.
Does it? Even Norway has serious problems. Probably only Denmark is seriously attempting - with success - to address this. Hence the re-election of their social democrat government, which is hard right - to an eye-watering degree by UK standards - on migration, culture, and asylum
Norway has serious problems with right wing biker gangs buring down churches. They don't have any real issues with immigrant populations - certainly nothing to copare with most other European countries.
If you remember this is why I was so convinced - along with you - that the 2011 attacks would turn out to be a right wing nutter rather than a muslim attack.
Norway is mercifully free of terror attacks, and of course Breivik was the worst by far
However of the 13 attacks since the year 2000, 8 or 9 appear to be Muslim/Islamist - ie the majority
"Fertility rates among Muslim women in the UK tend to decrease with each successive generation. Recent Muslim immigrants often have higher fertility rates (3.4) compared to second (2.6) or third-generation Muslims (2.1). This trend aligns with broader patterns observed among immigrant populations, where fertility rates typically converge with national averages over time."
And 2.1 is well above the national average, it's what 1.4 at the moment? Additionally the Muslim population in the UK is much younger than the average age so there are fewer older Muslims dying.
Sure, but 2.1 is only replacement level in absolute numbers.
The problem is not that they're "breeding out of control", especially once you get to second or third generation, it's that the indigenous population is not having kids.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
At 50-60% we could even get Sharia law
Um… who was saying they haven’t seen much evidence of Great Replacement Theory cropping up on PB?
What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends?
From the 2001 to the 2021 census, Islam went from 2.7% to 5.97%, so that’s an increase of 3.27%, or 0.16% per year. If we project that trend forward, the UK will reach 50% Muslim in 269 more years. That is, in 2290. I think it unlikely any trend would actually continue for over two and a half centuries.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
That's not how it works, the replacement rate for Muslims is much higher than it is for non-Muslims in the UK - they have more kids per family than everyone else so the growth isn't linear. I'd have thought someone with your background would have been able to work that out. You probably did but it wouldn't help your stupid point I guess.
Immigrant populations rapidly move to have fertility rates like the local population. This happens in a few generations. Third generation from a Pakistani or Bangladeshi heritage have a similar number of kids to White British parents, as do third generation from an Indian/Hindu heritage.
How many kids have you had? How many kids did your grandparents or great-grandparents have?
But that's not what's happened for Muslim people in the UK, you want it to be true but it's not. The fertility rate among Muslims is substantially higher than among everyone else. You're going to be sitting there one day in the future while Labour passed a bunch of hateful anti-gay legislation after being pushed into it by the Muslim party and you'll be telling yourself "at least I wasn't racist like those awful Tories".
There's a weird blind spot and accomodation of Islam by the left, it's the major part of the coalition that doesn't fit and eventually they'll form their own party and the tail will wag the dog. If you can't see that then I pity you. The sad part is you're smart enough that you probably do see it and realise that it's a path we're currently heading down but you're so far gone down the "mustn't be perceived as racist" road that there's no coming back. You can't repudiate it without admitting that maybe, just maybe, allowing millions of people who are opposed to our cultural values and have very strong beliefs in a stone age religion with backwards ideas was a poor idea.
Like the rest of the establishment you might get a scintilla of realisation from time to time but the fear of what you've allowed to happen will mean you will push that realisation aside and continue as if it's not happening and pretend to yourself that we're wrong and you're right. You're not, and you know it, I know it but you will never admit it.
Don't group the left into one homogeneous group. If you're concerned about "cancel culture", it's much more pernicious on this side of the spectrum because if you're campaigning on a particular issue (for me, various environmental stuff and active travel), you often get co-opted into other views which you don't actually hold. It's very awkward.
I basically agree with with what a lot of you guys are saying, but I'm naturally suspicious of your motivations. I really need a rock-solid, and very brave, lefty to put their head above the parapet.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
He can't. He wants to live in his bubble.
We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
I agree, but that means necessarily at some point:
European countries bring in nation- or culture-specific restrictions on Islamic migration, which at the moment is entirely unpalatable to a lot of lefties, or indeed lots of people (and I can see why)
And/or
European countries start restricting displays of Islamic religion as a deterrent. Minarets, burqas, etc. We already see that in France and Switzerland
And/or
European countries start "voluntary deportation" of migrants. Already happening in Sweden
I predict this will all get a lot worse before it gets better
I think restricting and revoking visas and residency for people who don't align to our cultural values is necessary. It's going to upset people but we're allowing the viper into the nest because people are scared to say that vipers aren't good for nests.
Ultimately, realpolitik will beat fear of being seen to be racist.
I think it eventually results in Nigel Farage or the future equivalent becoming PM in a Reform/Tory coalition and putting in some pretty unsavoury policies.
Which will still probably well to the Left of what the Danish government is doing now.
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We couldn't accept that level and nor could any European country.
Although not how it would appear on TV I think it looks good. Better than the Daleks.
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2024/11/23/us-scrambled-f-15e-strike-eagles-to-intercept-drones-over-uk/
Did you add colour too or just upscale the B&W ?
I have seen some AI upscaled footage, colourised too, of London during the blitz and similar and it is very good.
So now anyone who has been on QT is "objective"?
I think those who go on QT typically do because they're precisely the opposite. Objective people (a) don't exist and (b) would not be interesting if they did.
Be interesting to see the deleted scenes too.
Orthodox 30.7%, Catholic 15.2%, Other 1.2%, Atheist/Agnostic 1.0%, not stated 1.1%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia_and_Herzegovina#Religion
Deference to Sharia was one of the fundamental issues with the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam produced in 1990 by the member states of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC).
We need an evolved version of Islam with different emphases to those which are shouted about by people trying to scaremonger, with which the rest of us can live. Such traditions have developed and do exist, but the role of eg Salafis and Wahabis needs to be diluted.
One example is that there are certain Muslim countries which have neglected or removed the death penalty.
I feel like I've just written out the mail-merge template for the previous and next 50 years of UK government.
But since it appears that you do have an idea, as clearly you disagree with HYUFD's source on the matter, how many people do you think were arrested in the UK in 2023 for things they said on social media, and how many in Russia?
It wasn't.
Austerity has a lot to answer for. What little we've invested in Armed Forces since the 2.5% level was gradually reduced from 2010 to now, has been spent on 20th century functionality and completely failed to understand 21st century needs.
"Anything you do say will be used as an excuse to chuck you out of this window"
You had to, didn't you?
:: wibble ::
Some SE Asia countries are further similar examples, such as Indonesia.
I also wonder whether in time more traditions will come to accept that the Ahmadis count as Muslim.
Not that that outcome isn’t out of the question anyway.
Muslim 50.7%
Not stated 15.8%
Catholic 8.4%
Orthodox 7.2%
Atheist 3.6%
Other 0.5%
Similar phenomena were seen over U.S. military sites in Morris County, New Jersey, last week, and local residents said an accounts from local authorities as for them being drones were stretching credulity.
That’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a projection of current trends.
Colourising an old BBC drama, ridding it of its murky video recorded colouring, or any other technical deficiency, in order to make it more palatable to a modern audience, isn't an issue for me, because I'd prefer that modern audience to be watching that, then potentially go and watch the original, than watch some other shite made yesterday by Amazon.
Kosovo is heavily Muslim, but is strongly secularised and is ranked first in Southern Europe as free and equal for tolerance towards religion and atheism.
It's the day after Thanksgiving. Which is the last Thursday in November.
European countries bring in nation- or culture-specific restrictions on Islamic migration, which at the moment is entirely unpalatable to a lot of lefties, or indeed lots of people (and I can see why)
And/or
European countries start restricting displays of Islamic religion as a deterrent. Minarets, burqas, etc. We already see that in France and Switzerland
And/or
European countries start "voluntary deportation" of migrants. Already happening in Sweden
I predict this will all get a lot worse before it gets better
The 2023 census says a minority, but does it by splitting out a sub group called Bektashism , a Sufi order. This only happens in Albania.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bektashism
Highly unusual country, which in my experience has quite a lot of potential beyond its stereotypes.
It's more than doubled in the space of 20 years. If you want to project that trend forwards you need to make some attempt to understand what is driving it. Have you looked at factors like differential birth rates and immigration rates?
Women are also discouraged from working with men in the same workplaces in Islam
How many kids have you had? How many kids did your grandparents or great-grandparents have?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2023
"Consistent with earlier studies, I found that the Muslim second-generation respondents demonstrated significantly higher levels of religiosity, with a predicted value of 6.01, compared to their Christian counterparts, who had a predicted value of 4.73.
"Interestingly, age differences did not go in the expected direction for Muslims (as shown in Figure 1). In fact, the expected pattern by which older individuals are typically more religious and younger ones more secularized was completely reversed in this case, with younger Muslims exhibiting higher levels of religiosity. Conversely, the second-generation Christian subgroup showed consistency with the trend observed in the native population, despite having much narrower gaps."
https://www.spstrend.it/the-role-of-religious-background-in-the-acculturation-of-second-generation-immigrants-in-europe/
Muslims have 3 or more children very regularly
There has been a blip in immigration from Muslim countries under the recent Conservative government post-Brexit, but that government is out of power now. Immigration figures in total look to be now falling.
Not one Muslim majority nation on earth has same sex marriage or even legal civil unions
There's a weird blind spot and accomodation of Islam by the left, it's the major part of the coalition that doesn't fit and eventually they'll form their own party and the tail will wag the dog. If you can't see that then I pity you. The sad part is you're smart enough that you probably do see it and realise that it's a path we're currently heading down but you're so far gone down the "mustn't be perceived as racist" road that there's no coming back. You can't repudiate it without admitting that maybe, just maybe, allowing millions of people who are opposed to our cultural values and have very strong beliefs in a stone age religion with backwards ideas was a poor idea.
Like the rest of the establishment you might get a scintilla of realisation from time to time but the fear of what you've allowed to happen will mean you will push that realisation aside and continue as if it's not happening and pretend to yourself that we're wrong and you're right. You're not, and you know it, I know it but you will never admit it.
If you remember this is why I was so convinced - along with you - that the 2011 attacks would turn out to be a right wing nutter rather than a muslim attack.
The dividing line globally is clearly Muslim/non Muslim
The question is whether the most recent wave will behave differently to previous waves.
I basically agree with with what a lot of you guys are saying, but I'm naturally suspicious of your motivations. I really need a rock-solid, and very brave, lefty to put their head above the parapet.
I also note that rise in extremist views among young Muslim men mirrors that of white menelsewhere in Europe. Perhaps this the same phenomenon, and it's ultimately not based on religion.
https://www.france24.com/en/africa/20241122-concern-in-france-over-fate-of-prize-winning-french-algerian-writer-boualem-sansal
However of the 13 attacks since the year 2000, 8 or 9 appear to be Muslim/Islamist - ie the majority
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Norway
The problem is not that they're "breeding out of control", especially once you get to second or third generation, it's that the indigenous population is not having kids.