COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
They are back in the room and talking it seems. Pity. These used to be about targets and putting in place policies. Now, like the commonwealth meeting, it is just one big shakedown for cash from wealthy nations.
Grandstanding politicians have been happy to spunk our money away with no mandate must to feel good and get nice comments on social media.
Charities and NGOs pushing for it as they get a fair chunk of this money to manage,
These fuckers are after $1 trillion a year. Jog on. It won’t stop there. It never does.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Who are the best 2 teams in the world rugby at the moment....
South Africa and South Africa Reserves
I think their 3rd team probably in with a good shout as well.
I disagree, I think the Aussies are suddenly showing real promise
What is truly depressing is that the entire northern hemisphere has gone backwards, with the possible exception of France, but even they only scraped a win at home against the Kiwis
You are forgetting a) this wasn't the full strength SA team that came over and b) they mixed and matched in each game....
Their strength is depth is so strong the best centre in the Gallagher Premiership doesn't even get anywhere near the team.
I'm not denying they are formidable. Given their culture and talent-pool they threaten to become the new All Blacks, winning everything for a decade or two
And the small matter of the best coach in world rugby.
The only countries that might challenge them medium term are England and France, because they have the money and depth of talent. But England are drifting with a dire coach and France are sporadic (as ever)
Not sure about England and money. RFU lost £40 million last year.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
Whereas I suppose I'm still in denial: to coin a phrase I'm still expecting Labour to surprise on the upside.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
They are back in the room and talking it seems. Pity. These used to be about targets and putting in place policies. Now, like the commonwealth meeting, it is just one big shakedown for cash from wealthy nations.
Grandstanding politicians have been happy to spunk our money away with no mandate must to feel good and get nice comments on social media.
Charities and NGOs pushing for it as they get a fair chunk of this money to manage,
These fuckers are after $1 trillion a year. Jog on. It won’t stop there. It never does.
I listened to the Sky reporter say Starmer has accepted the 300 billion proposed, and as it comes from foreign aid it will not cost the taxpayers
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
That's what you WISH, but it's Utopian nonsense
Of course it isn't. Enlightened self-interest via collective cooperation is one of human history's defining forces. We'd be nothing without it.
At the end of the day there are always intractable conflicting interests, no matter how much you might want to wish them away.
No, on this Kinabalu is right. We'll get to a point where we accept that global cooperation on migration and climate adaptation (and these will increasingly merge as policy areas) benefits us all. I suspect we'll have a big war before we realise this, though.
Or countries will take responsibility, act according to their voters wishes, and do the right thing democratically.
As has been done time and time again to create a better world.
Cooperation is the lowest common denominator and undemocratic, it is not a good thing.
Means the tractor tax and WFA cuts would be dead though as Labour would need LD confidence and supply to stay in office and the LDs reject the tractor tax and WFA cuts
Probably also mean full compensation for the WASPI women.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
It depends what is meant by this. I don't think Bernie Sanders would be a disaster, for instance. He"s a very bright populist, with vision.
Yeah okay, maybe it's down to the definition of populism.
I'd like to vote for a manifesto written by the New Economics Foundation. I guess some would call it populist, I just think it would be common sense.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
That's what you WISH, but it's Utopian nonsense
Of course it isn't. Enlightened self-interest via collective cooperation is one of human history's defining forces. We'd be nothing without it.
At the end of the day there are always intractable conflicting interests, no matter how much you might want to wish them away.
No, on this Kinabalu is right. We'll get to a point where we accept that global cooperation on migration and climate adaptation (and these will increasingly merge as policy areas) benefits us all. I suspect we'll have a big war before we realise this, though.
What do you mean by that though? Correct me if I'm wrong but I suspect that what you mean by 'global cooperation' is actually just western countries agreeing between themselves to take their 'fair share' and not cooperation to prevent the flow of people that will inevitably destabilise our societies.
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
Means the tractor tax and WFA cuts would be dead though as Labour would need LD confidence and supply to stay in office and the LDs reject the tractor tax and WFA cuts
Probably also mean full compensation for the WASPI women.
To be compensated, they'd have had to have been harmed.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
It's you (and ilk) getting carried away with Trump winning. Exactly as I predicted would happen.
It's not the End of History, you know. The far right are having a moment, is all.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
They are back in the room and talking it seems. Pity. These used to be about targets and putting in place policies. Now, like the commonwealth meeting, it is just one big shakedown for cash from wealthy nations.
Grandstanding politicians have been happy to spunk our money away with no mandate must to feel good and get nice comments on social media.
Charities and NGOs pushing for it as they get a fair chunk of this money to manage,
These fuckers are after $1 trillion a year. Jog on. It won’t stop there. It never does.
I listened to the Sky reporter say Starmer has accepted the 300 billion proposed, and as it comes from foreign aid it will not cost the taxpayers
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
They are back in the room and talking it seems. Pity. These used to be about targets and putting in place policies. Now, like the commonwealth meeting, it is just one big shakedown for cash from wealthy nations.
Grandstanding politicians have been happy to spunk our money away with no mandate must to feel good and get nice comments on social media.
Charities and NGOs pushing for it as they get a fair chunk of this money to manage,
These fuckers are after $1 trillion a year. Jog on. It won’t stop there. It never does.
Paying poorer countries to keep their emissions in check makes good sense so long as the money is strictly dependent on agreed emissions targets being reached.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
The variable seems to be your level of acceptance rather than the policies themselves.
The same level of brutality will suddenly become acceptable as soon as it comes under the banner of international cooperation and has a nice EU or UN flag attached to it instead of an ugly British one.
This implies I'm shallow. Uncalled for.
Have you taken part in the massive demonstrations against the actions of the Libyan Coastguard?
Who are running a modern slavery system. Guess who is subsidising them?
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
They are back in the room and talking it seems. Pity. These used to be about targets and putting in place policies. Now, like the commonwealth meeting, it is just one big shakedown for cash from wealthy nations.
Grandstanding politicians have been happy to spunk our money away with no mandate must to feel good and get nice comments on social media.
Charities and NGOs pushing for it as they get a fair chunk of this money to manage,
These fuckers are after $1 trillion a year. Jog on. It won’t stop there. It never does.
Paying poorer countries to keep their emissions in check makes good sense so long as the money is strictly dependent on agreed emissions targets being reached.
Most reassuring. That’s bound to happen. 🙄
These nations want $1 Trillion a year. Where’s that going to come from ?
It doesn’t grow on trees and interest rates are not going to come down as quickly as hoped and the west has a lot of debt. Including the US.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
They are back in the room and talking it seems. Pity. These used to be about targets and putting in place policies. Now, like the commonwealth meeting, it is just one big shakedown for cash from wealthy nations.
Grandstanding politicians have been happy to spunk our money away with no mandate must to feel good and get nice comments on social media.
Charities and NGOs pushing for it as they get a fair chunk of this money to manage,
These fuckers are after $1 trillion a year. Jog on. It won’t stop there. It never does.
I listened to the Sky reporter say Starmer has accepted the 300 billion proposed, and as it comes from foreign aid it will not cost the taxpayers
Where do they find these people
God knows but he really is continuity Sunak.
Sunak, in common with Biden, Macron, Scholz, VDL plus India, China and Indonesia amongst others would not have gone to it
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
That's what you WISH, but it's Utopian nonsense
Of course it isn't. Enlightened self-interest via collective cooperation is one of human history's defining forces. We'd be nothing without it.
At the end of the day there are always intractable conflicting interests, no matter how much you might want to wish them away.
Of course. That's in the mix too. But it's not "utopian" to give the more enlightened forces a decent chance of prevailing (even if after a hell of a struggle). Indeed I make this a favourite. What should we call it? The New Enlightenment? Yes ok. Well my money's on that. The New Enlightenment. It's coming. And no, I don't mean Andy Burnham.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
More than 1000 arrests had been made even in August, hence Reform are surging with the white working class and Tommy Robinson will also push UKIP when he is released from jail
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
More than 1000 arrests had been made even in August, hence Reform are surging with the white working class and Tommy Robinson will also push UKIP when he is released from jail
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
More than 1000 arrests had been made even in August, hence Reform are surging with the white working class and Tommy Robinson will also push UKIP when he is released from jail
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Exactly. These COP events started off as policy and targets and are now just a massive shakedown for cash. I agree. It is enough. It is not politicians money it is taxpayers money.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
The variable seems to be your level of acceptance rather than the policies themselves.
The same level of brutality will suddenly become acceptable as soon as it comes under the banner of international cooperation and has a nice EU or UN flag attached to it instead of an ugly British one.
This implies I'm shallow. Uncalled for.
Entirely called for.
Nothing is more acceptable because its "internationalist" in nature.
The USSR was "internationalist" - it was also an oppressive, repressive, backwards dictatorship.
That's not a relevant contribution. We're talking about enlightened cooperation not totalitarian conquest. There's nothing shallow about enlightened cooperation. Our future is bleak without it so you'd better hope I'm right.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
It already has, see Corbyn, Melenchon and Sanders and Lula
Too old fashioned. 70s throwbacks. We need something contemporary.
Surely, Left Populism is something akin to the Danish Social Democrats. They are genuinely Left, but they have Europe’s most stringent immigration policies, and are unyielding in support of Ukraine (Denmark’s military aid, per capita is the highest of any country).
And, notably, they are electorally successful. They just won an election
Which proves that the Left CAN win (as I say) but only if they adopt hard right policies on migration and asylum
Yes most western voters want protectionism, even tariffs, slashed immigration, more public spending on health and education and the police and key public services and tax cuts for them but not the rich or big corporates and less woke.
What they mostly don't want is free market globalism and woke at the moment
Boiled down that's what Trump offers. He loves oligarchic freebooters but dislikes corporates such as big pharma.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
More than 1000 arrests had been made even in August, hence Reform are surging with the white working class and Tommy Robinson will also push UKIP when he is released from jail
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
Yeah okay, makes sense, I wouldn't call that populism, though. But maybe it's just a definition confusion as Whispering Oracle has said.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
That's what you WISH, but it's Utopian nonsense
Of course it isn't. Enlightened self-interest via collective cooperation is one of human history's defining forces. We'd be nothing without it.
At the end of the day there are always intractable conflicting interests, no matter how much you might want to wish them away.
No, on this Kinabalu is right. We'll get to a point where we accept that global cooperation on migration and climate adaptation (and these will increasingly merge as policy areas) benefits us all. I suspect we'll have a big war before we realise this, though.
What do you mean by that though? Correct me if I'm wrong but I suspect that what you mean by 'global cooperation' is actually just western countries agreeing between themselves to take their 'fair share' and not cooperation to prevent the flow of people that will inevitably destabilise our societies.
Fair question, you're wrong.
I think large scale migration is a symptom of policy failure, not a solution to anything.
Without wishing to write an essay in response, to me global cooperation would have the following elements: - a recognition from all parties involved that, whilst a minority of migrants enrich themselves and the communities they move to, for the majority the choice to migrate is because they are unable to fulfil some basic need in their home community. And the communities who experience onward migration, whilst they might benefit economically, experience severe cultural dislocation. - Global cooperation should be about supporting more of the world's population to meet their basic needs in their home communities, such that migration is limited to a choice made by those who are more footloose, like Leon, rather than something forced on people. - Of course, with the power imbalances in the world today, 'cooperation' always means 'money'. I think the role of western countries is to accept the degree to which our current wealth has accrued from resource (including human resource) extraction from less wealthy parts of the world, and that our responsibilities lie in rederessing that balance to a sensible and negotiated degree.
This is, of course, an ideal and I have sympathy with the argument that it wouldn't be possible to actually achieve. Nevertheless, to retain the idealism for a moment longer: many on the left venerate migration as freeing and culturally enriching. If we achieved my list above, I think we'd end up in a world where global migration flows were far lower but the migration that did happen would live up to the left's ideals.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
More than 1000 arrests had been made even in August, hence Reform are surging with the white working class and Tommy Robinson will also push UKIP when he is released from jail
Is it your view that violent criminals should not be arrested?
It was a symbol of the Starmerite state you love and its war on the white working class joined now by its war on small businesses, farmers and pensioners.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
More than 1000 arrests had been made even in August, hence Reform are surging with the white working class and Tommy Robinson will also push UKIP when he is released from jail
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
The variable seems to be your level of acceptance rather than the policies themselves.
The same level of brutality will suddenly become acceptable as soon as it comes under the banner of international cooperation and has a nice EU or UN flag attached to it instead of an ugly British one.
This implies I'm shallow. Uncalled for.
Entirely called for.
Nothing is more acceptable because its "internationalist" in nature.
The USSR was "internationalist" - it was also an oppressive, repressive, backwards dictatorship.
That's not a relevant contribution. We're talking about enlightened cooperation not totalitarian conquest. There's nothing shallow about enlightened cooperation. Our future is bleak without it so you'd better hope I'm right.
Enlightened cooperation should happen between democracies who want to cooperate, like us working with Poland and others to supply arms for Ukraine.
Tying shit down in international treaties that appeal to the lowest common denominator and seek to circumvent Parliament and democratic accountability is the opposite of enlightenment.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
The variable seems to be your level of acceptance rather than the policies themselves.
The same level of brutality will suddenly become acceptable as soon as it comes under the banner of international cooperation and has a nice EU or UN flag attached to it instead of an ugly British one.
This implies I'm shallow. Uncalled for.
Entirely called for.
Nothing is more acceptable because its "internationalist" in nature.
The USSR was "internationalist" - it was also an oppressive, repressive, backwards dictatorship.
That's not a relevant contribution. We're talking about enlightened cooperation not totalitarian conquest. There's nothing shallow about enlightened cooperation. Our future is bleak without it so you'd better hope I'm right.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
It already has, see Corbyn, Melenchon and Sanders and Lula
Too old fashioned. 70s throwbacks. We need something contemporary.
Surely, Left Populism is something akin to the Danish Social Democrats. They are genuinely Left, but they have Europe’s most stringent immigration policies, and are unyielding in support of Ukraine (Denmark’s military aid, per capita is the highest of any country).
And, notably, they are electorally successful. They just won an election
Which proves that the Left CAN win (as I say) but only if they adopt hard right policies on migration and asylum
Yes most western voters want protectionism, even tariffs, slashed immigration, more public spending on health and education and the police and key public services and tax cuts for them but not the rich or big corporates and less woke.
What they mostly don't want is free market globalism and woke at the moment
Boiled down that's what Trump offers. He loves oligarchic freebooters but dislikes corporates such as big pharma.
To an extent though he will cut public spending, how the impact of his tariffs affects prices will also be significant
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
It already has, see Corbyn, Melenchon and Sanders and Lula
Too old fashioned. 70s throwbacks. We need something contemporary.
Surely, Left Populism is something akin to the Danish Social Democrats. They are genuinely Left, but they have Europe’s most stringent immigration policies, and are unyielding in support of Ukraine (Denmark’s military aid, per capita is the highest of any country).
And, notably, they are electorally successful. They just won an election
Which proves that the Left CAN win (as I say) but only if they adopt hard right policies on migration and asylum
Yes most western voters want protectionism, even tariffs, slashed immigration, more public spending on health and education and the police and key public services and tax cuts for them but not the rich or big corporates and less woke.
What they mostly don't want is free market globalism and woke at the moment
Boiled down that's what Trump offers. He loves oligarchic freebooters but dislikes corporates such as big pharma.
Well, that's the rhetoric, but remember one of the key photos from his first term.
About 20 of the heads of U.S. health insurance companies, all sitting in a large beaming group around Trump.
It's a very good tool for re-establishing networks that previously existed at the other place.
The stats are a touch interesting (if you aren't too irritated). From Thu to Wed accounts went up at a million per day (faster pro rata in the UK I think), and it has now slowed down again now quite markedly. Either it's consolidating, tech is catching up, or maybe Elon is being less pointedly trolling.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
Pie in the sky idealism. Not saying it won't happen but then many other things could happen as well.
It is not. People are being overly gloomy masquerading as seasoned realism. I think it's because of Trump. I do understand because it brought me down too. But no longer. I'm seeing through it now.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
It already has, see Corbyn, Melenchon and Sanders and Lula
Too old fashioned. 70s throwbacks. We need something contemporary.
Your political pinup girl should be the Danish social democrat Mette Frederiksen.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
Yeah okay, makes sense, I wouldn't call that populism, though. But maybe it's just a definition confusion as Whispering Oracle has said.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
That's what you WISH, but it's Utopian nonsense
Of course it isn't. Enlightened self-interest via collective cooperation is one of human history's defining forces. We'd be nothing without it.
At the end of the day there are always intractable conflicting interests, no matter how much you might want to wish them away.
No, on this Kinabalu is right. We'll get to a point where we accept that global cooperation on migration and climate adaptation (and these will increasingly merge as policy areas) benefits us all. I suspect we'll have a big war before we realise this, though.
What do you mean by that though? Correct me if I'm wrong but I suspect that what you mean by 'global cooperation' is actually just western countries agreeing between themselves to take their 'fair share' and not cooperation to prevent the flow of people that will inevitably destabilise our societies.
Fair question, you're wrong.
I think large scale migration is a symptom of policy failure, not a solution to anything.
Without wishing to write an essay in response, to me global cooperation would have the following elements: - a recognition from all parties involved that, whilst a minority of migrants enrich themselves and the communities they move to, for the majority the choice to migrate is because they are unable to fulfil some basic need in their home community. And the communities who experience onward migration, whilst they might benefit economically, experience severe cultural dislocation. - Global cooperation should be about supporting more of the world's population to meet their basic needs in their home communities, such that migration is limited to a choice made by those who are more footloose, like Leon, rather than something forced on people. - Of course, with the power imbalances in the world today, 'cooperation' always means 'money'. I think the role of western countries is to accept the degree to which our current wealth has accrued from resource (including human resource) extraction from less wealthy parts of the world, and that our responsibilities lie in rederessing that balance to a sensible and negotiated degree.
This is, of course, an ideal and I have sympathy with the argument that it wouldn't be possible to actually achieve. Nevertheless, to retain the idealism for a moment longer: many on the left venerate migration as freeing and culturally enriching. If we achieved my list above, I think we'd end up in a world where global migration flows were far lower but the migration that did happen would live up to the left's ideals.
I hope that makes at least some sense!
Your premise is wrong.
Large scale migration is a symptom of success not failure.
When people can't afford the basics they can't afford to migrate either.
Migration increases, it doesn't decrease, as people become wealthier.
Recent decades have seen billions be lifted out of what would have been previously termed poverty. The world is healthier and wealthier than it ever has been. Including for poorer countries.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet
Source for your last sentence or just another bit of your own hyperbole !!!!
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.
It's an existential threat to our planet, and one that the trend is to do nothing as it inconveniences us too much.
Our generation will be fine, but it will be like Mad Max by the end of the century.
Thinking long term the planet will regenerate and new species may develop but we will go the way of the dinosaurs.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
It's you (and ilk) getting carried away with Trump winning. Exactly as I predicted would happen.
It's not the End of History, you know. The far right are having a moment, is all.
If left-wing Americans move to Europe to escape Trump, and become citizens, then both polities will move to the right.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
They are back in the room and talking it seems. Pity. These used to be about targets and putting in place policies. Now, like the commonwealth meeting, it is just one big shakedown for cash from wealthy nations.
Grandstanding politicians have been happy to spunk our money away with no mandate must to feel good and get nice comments on social media.
Charities and NGOs pushing for it as they get a fair chunk of this money to manage,
These fuckers are after $1 trillion a year. Jog on. It won’t stop there. It never does.
Paying poorer countries to keep their emissions in check makes good sense so long as the money is strictly dependent on agreed emissions targets being reached.
Paying them isn't really what's being proposed. The money includes investment; there's a pretty good economic case, for example, for Europe to invest in N African solar. Some if which energy can be exported into Europe.
Climate money in the form of renewable generation capacity would likely be a far more effective use of our money than quite a lot of what we spend on foreign aid - both for us and the recipients.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
Yeah okay, makes sense, I wouldn't call that populism, though. But maybe it's just a definition confusion as Whispering Oracle has said.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
That's what you WISH, but it's Utopian nonsense
Of course it isn't. Enlightened self-interest via collective cooperation is one of human history's defining forces. We'd be nothing without it.
At the end of the day there are always intractable conflicting interests, no matter how much you might want to wish them away.
No, on this Kinabalu is right. We'll get to a point where we accept that global cooperation on migration and climate adaptation (and these will increasingly merge as policy areas) benefits us all. I suspect we'll have a big war before we realise this, though.
What do you mean by that though? Correct me if I'm wrong but I suspect that what you mean by 'global cooperation' is actually just western countries agreeing between themselves to take their 'fair share' and not cooperation to prevent the flow of people that will inevitably destabilise our societies.
Fair question, you're wrong.
I think large scale migration is a symptom of policy failure, not a solution to anything.
Without wishing to write an essay in response, to me global cooperation would have the following elements: - a recognition from all parties involved that, whilst a minority of migrants enrich themselves and the communities they move to, for the majority the choice to migrate is because they are unable to fulfil some basic need in their home community. And the communities who experience onward migration, whilst they might benefit economically, experience severe cultural dislocation. - Global cooperation should be about supporting more of the world's population to meet their basic needs in their home communities, such that migration is limited to a choice made by those who are more footloose, like Leon, rather than something forced on people. - Of course, with the power imbalances in the world today, 'cooperation' always means 'money'. I think the role of western countries is to accept the degree to which our current wealth has accrued from resource (including human resource) extraction from less wealthy parts of the world, and that our responsibilities lie in rederessing that balance to a sensible and negotiated degree.
This is, of course, an ideal and I have sympathy with the argument that it wouldn't be possible to actually achieve. Nevertheless, to retain the idealism for a moment longer: many on the left venerate migration as freeing and culturally enriching. If we achieved my list above, I think we'd end up in a world where global migration flows were far lower but the migration that did happen would live up to the left's ideals.
I hope that makes at least some sense!
Your premise is wrong.
Large scale migration is a symptom of success not failure.
When people can't afford the basics they can't afford to migrate either.
Migration increases, it doesn't decrease, as people become wealthier.
Recent decades have seen billions be lifted out of what would have been previously termed poverty. The world is healthier and wealthier than it ever has been. Including for poorer countries.
As a result, people can afford to move.
Migration only increased to the level elected governments let it, increasingly western electorates are electing rightwing populist governments as they believe it has already gone too far
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.
You need to keep up with the zeitgeist. Net zero is expensive rubbish. COP is an expensive waste of time. Green is garbage. Cars, coal, oil and gas are great. Climate change is just an excuse by the metropolitan leftie elite to make us all poorer.
It does feel like we're going backwards from what was a pretty broad consensus just a few years ago, and the election of Trump will not help. Frightening.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I think you've got left populism the wrong way around. It'll keep the xenophobia but will be lefty in economics. Like, basically, LePenism.
I'm not in for that. That's not the way.
No, you're not - but that's what Left Populism will be like.
What you're hoping for is left unpopulism. Which is basically what we have right now.
It's not "left" as I'm defining it. Of course it is to you but that's because you, Cookie, are very right wing. You are so much to the right that if I didn't have excellent peripheral vision I wouldn't be able to see you.
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.
You need to keep up with the zeitgeist. Net zero is expensive rubbish. COP is an expensive waste of time. Green is garbage. Cars, coal, oil and gas are great. Climate change is just an excuse by the metropolitan leftie elite to make us all poorer.
It does feel like we're going backwards from what was a pretty broad consensus just a few years ago, and the election of Trump will not help. Frightening.
Trump's cabinet picks alone are pumping out enough hot air to rapidly increase global warming.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet
Find me a source: number of people jailed for tweets = ? Bet you can't make it add up to more than 20.
Governments have reached a deal on carbon markets at Cop29, paving the way for country-to-country carbon trading and the creation of a regulated global market to meet Paris targets. Further technical rules will need to be sorted in 2025 but this is a major boost to carbon trading proponents following years of controversy.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
It already has, see Corbyn, Melenchon and Sanders and Lula
Too old fashioned. 70s throwbacks. We need something contemporary.
Surely, Left Populism is something akin to the Danish Social Democrats. They are genuinely Left, but they have Europe’s most stringent immigration policies, and are unyielding in support of Ukraine (Denmark’s military aid, per capita is the highest of any country).
Yes but I mean that without the anti immigration piece.
As I say it's coming rather than already here. Least I hope so.
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.
The way people like you go on is as if we are not doing anything and never have done.
Nothing will ever be enough for you and your ilk.
It started of small. Now these nations are demanding $1 trillion a year, what next $10 trillion a year. $100 trillion a year just for nations who just say the need it and charities and NGOs that will ‘administer it’. Where is the corporate oversight and how do we know this is value for money.
As for the money
Where does it come from ?
Interest rates are not heading south anytime soon in decent numbers and US inflation is back on the increase now. Govts have large debts they need to service and economies they need to function.
Yet another tedious anti monarchy republican rant of an article by Liberal Radical non Tory TSE.
The Daily Star is a leftwing tabloid rag of a paper which hardly anybody reads nowadays and AN Wilson is just a historian who occasionally comments in the Daily Mail and likes being contrarian.
The fact is the coronation raised far more in tourist revenue than it cost, indeed when we went up to London for the spectacular event there were tourists from Europe, America and all over the world with us who had come specifically to the UK to watch it. It is not as if Presidents don't have costly inaugrations either, US presidential inaugrations cost over $100 milliion every 4 years and they don't even have an NHS at all as a bottomless pit to pour endless billions of taxpayers money into but a mostly private health insurance system
Why should our taxes be poured into the London tourist industry's pockets? Even if your assertion is correct.
Unless the London tourist industry had so many extra tourists *over and above a normal period at the same time of year* that the extra tax amounted to markedly more than £72M over and above the additional take.
It probably did given the number of foreign tourists staying in hotels and eating in London restaurants specifically to view the coronation
You say. Your claim is, I submit, bollocks given the time of year andf the complete lack of data.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet
Find me a source: number of people jailed for tweets = ? Bet you can't make it add up to more than 20.
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.
You need to keep up with the zeitgeist. Net zero is expensive rubbish. COP is an expensive waste of time. Green is garbage. Cars, coal, oil and gas are great. Climate change is just an excuse by the metropolitan leftie elite to make us all poorer.
It does feel like we're going backwards from what was a pretty broad consensus just a few years ago, and the election of Trump will not help. Frightening.
It is suggested that Chinese C02 emissions are going into structural decline from 2024 following their boom in clean energy.
Yet another tedious anti monarchy republican rant of an article by Liberal Radical non Tory TSE.
The Daily Star is a leftwing tabloid rag of a paper which hardly anybody reads nowadays and AN Wilson is just a historian who occasionally comments in the Daily Mail and likes being contrarian.
The fact is the coronation raised far more in tourist revenue than it cost, indeed when we went up to London for the spectacular event there were tourists from Europe, America and all over the world with us who had come specifically to the UK to watch it. It is not as if Presidents don't have costly inaugrations either, US presidential inaugrations cost over $100 milliion every 4 years and they don't even have an NHS at all as a bottomless pit to pour endless billions of taxpayers money into but a mostly private health insurance system
Why should our taxes be poured into the London tourist industry's pockets? Even if your assertion is correct.
Unless the London tourist industry had so many extra tourists *over and above a normal period at the same time of year* that the extra tax amounted to markedly more than £72M over and above the additional take.
It probably did given the number of foreign tourists staying in hotels and eating in London restaurants specifically to view the coronation
You say. Your claim is, I submit, bollocks given the time of year andf the complete lack of data.
We went up and were surrounded by tourists from the Netherlands, France the US etc who had only come over for the coronation
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet
Find me a source: number of people jailed for tweets = ? Bet you can't make it add up to more than 20.
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.
I do not dispute that climate change is a threat to our country and, much more generally, civilisation on this planet. But there are more obvious priorities than giving available funds (if any) to corrupt politicians from undemocratic countries who will simply pocket it.
If we can reduce carbon output by spending our money in some developing nation more than we would in this country then we should do that, especially if the technology and the kit is produced here. Money spent protecting the rain forest (if it works) is more productive than subsidising the growth of trees in this country. No problem. But there is very little money and it needs to be spent productively.
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.
In retrospect, was German reindustrialisation after WW2 a crime against humanity? Just think how much cumulative damage it has done to the climate.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
It's you (and ilk) getting carried away with Trump winning. Exactly as I predicted would happen.
It's not the End of History, you know. The far right are having a moment, is all.
If left-wing Americans move to Europe to escape Trump, and become citizens, then both polities will move to the right.
Yet another tedious anti monarchy republican rant of an article by Liberal Radical non Tory TSE.
The Daily Star is a leftwing tabloid rag of a paper which hardly anybody reads nowadays and AN Wilson is just a historian who occasionally comments in the Daily Mail and likes being contrarian.
The fact is the coronation raised far more in tourist revenue than it cost, indeed when we went up to London for the spectacular event there were tourists from Europe, America and all over the world with us who had come specifically to the UK to watch it. It is not as if Presidents don't have costly inaugrations either, US presidential inaugrations cost over $100 milliion every 4 years and they don't even have an NHS at all as a bottomless pit to pour endless billions of taxpayers money into but a mostly private health insurance system
Why should our taxes be poured into the London tourist industry's pockets? Even if your assertion is correct.
Unless the London tourist industry had so many extra tourists *over and above a normal period at the same time of year* that the extra tax amounted to markedly more than £72M over and above the additional take.
It probably did given the number of foreign tourists staying in hotels and eating in London restaurants specifically to view the coronation
You say. Your claim is, I submit, bollocks given the time of year andf the complete lack of data.
We went up and were surrounded by tourists from the Netherlands, France the US etc who had only come over for the coronation
It's a very good tool for re-establishing networks that previously existed at the other place.
The stats are a touch interesting (if you aren't too irritated). From Thu to Wed accounts went up at a million per day (faster pro rata in the UK I think), and it has now slowed down again now quite markedly. Either it's consolidating, tech is catching up, or maybe Elon is being less pointedly trolling.
Ha, yes, maybe it's just the annoyingly patronising and banal sounding aspect of the name that irks me.
I think BlueSky definitely has a future. It's partly a more literate and relaxing place than I ever remember Twitter being, even in its earliest days, and partly a Left echo-chamber to echo the right-populist and pro-Russia echo chamber Twitter is strongly turning into.
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.
In retrospect, was German reindustrialisation after WW2 a crime against humanity? Just think how much cumulative damage it has done to the climate.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
The variable seems to be your level of acceptance rather than the policies themselves.
The same level of brutality will suddenly become acceptable as soon as it comes under the banner of international cooperation and has a nice EU or UN flag attached to it instead of an ugly British one.
This implies I'm shallow. Uncalled for.
Entirely called for.
Nothing is more acceptable because its "internationalist" in nature.
The USSR was "internationalist" - it was also an oppressive, repressive, backwards dictatorship.
That's not a relevant contribution. We're talking about enlightened cooperation not totalitarian conquest. There's nothing shallow about enlightened cooperation. Our future is bleak without it so you'd better hope I'm right.
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.
In retrospect, was German reindustrialisation after WW2 a crime against humanity? Just think how much cumulative damage it has done to the climate.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
The variable seems to be your level of acceptance rather than the policies themselves.
The same level of brutality will suddenly become acceptable as soon as it comes under the banner of international cooperation and has a nice EU or UN flag attached to it instead of an ugly British one.
This implies I'm shallow. Uncalled for.
Entirely called for.
Nothing is more acceptable because its "internationalist" in nature.
The USSR was "internationalist" - it was also an oppressive, repressive, backwards dictatorship.
That's not a relevant contribution. We're talking about enlightened cooperation not totalitarian conquest. There's nothing shallow about enlightened cooperation. Our future is bleak without it so you'd better hope I'm right.
Enlightened cooperation should happen between democracies who want to cooperate, like us working with Poland and others to supply arms for Ukraine.
Tying shit down in international treaties that appeal to the lowest common denominator and seek to circumvent Parliament and democratic accountability is the opposite of enlightenment.
You're seeking to derail onto a hobby horse. Treaties can be good or bad. It depends.
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.
You need to keep up with the zeitgeist. Net zero is expensive rubbish. COP is an expensive waste of time. Green is garbage. Cars, coal, oil and gas are great. Climate change is just an excuse by the metropolitan leftie elite to make us all poorer.
It does feel like we're going backwards from what was a pretty broad consensus just a few years ago, and the election of Trump will not help. Frightening.
Do you think making a snide aside to a fellow traveller wins you the argument ?
Your post would be the sort of stuff Ian Hislop spouts on HIGNFY to applause from an audience of like minded people while he gurns for effect.
If you look at polling on this the vast majority of us are convinced as to the need to take action and many of us do. I’d put my carbon footprint happily against most peoples. The issue is how we get there and it just seems to many there is a lot of grift going on around this. COP sessions seem to achieve little practical and all comes down to money.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
The variable seems to be your level of acceptance rather than the policies themselves.
The same level of brutality will suddenly become acceptable as soon as it comes under the banner of international cooperation and has a nice EU or UN flag attached to it instead of an ugly British one.
This implies I'm shallow. Uncalled for.
Entirely called for.
Nothing is more acceptable because its "internationalist" in nature.
The USSR was "internationalist" - it was also an oppressive, repressive, backwards dictatorship.
That's not a relevant contribution. We're talking about enlightened cooperation not totalitarian conquest. There's nothing shallow about enlightened cooperation. Our future is bleak without it so you'd better hope I'm right.
Like you were right about Mommala ?
And I'm on Liverpool for the title at 8/1.
As much as I despise Liverpool FC in soccer terms if that came off I’d be chuffed for you.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
Yeah okay, makes sense, I wouldn't call that populism, though. But maybe it's just a definition confusion as Whispering Oracle has said.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
That's what you WISH, but it's Utopian nonsense
Of course it isn't. Enlightened self-interest via collective cooperation is one of human history's defining forces. We'd be nothing without it.
At the end of the day there are always intractable conflicting interests, no matter how much you might want to wish them away.
No, on this Kinabalu is right. We'll get to a point where we accept that global cooperation on migration and climate adaptation (and these will increasingly merge as policy areas) benefits us all. I suspect we'll have a big war before we realise this, though.
What do you mean by that though? Correct me if I'm wrong but I suspect that what you mean by 'global cooperation' is actually just western countries agreeing between themselves to take their 'fair share' and not cooperation to prevent the flow of people that will inevitably destabilise our societies.
Fair question, you're wrong.
I think large scale migration is a symptom of policy failure, not a solution to anything.
Without wishing to write an essay in response, to me global cooperation would have the following elements: - a recognition from all parties involved that, whilst a minority of migrants enrich themselves and the communities they move to, for the majority the choice to migrate is because they are unable to fulfil some basic need in their home community. And the communities who experience onward migration, whilst they might benefit economically, experience severe cultural dislocation. - Global cooperation should be about supporting more of the world's population to meet their basic needs in their home communities, such that migration is limited to a choice made by those who are more footloose, like Leon, rather than something forced on people. - Of course, with the power imbalances in the world today, 'cooperation' always means 'money'. I think the role of western countries is to accept the degree to which our current wealth has accrued from resource (including human resource) extraction from less wealthy parts of the world, and that our responsibilities lie in rederessing that balance to a sensible and negotiated degree.
This is, of course, an ideal and I have sympathy with the argument that it wouldn't be possible to actually achieve. Nevertheless, to retain the idealism for a moment longer: many on the left venerate migration as freeing and culturally enriching. If we achieved my list above, I think we'd end up in a world where global migration flows were far lower but the migration that did happen would live up to the left's ideals.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
The variable seems to be your level of acceptance rather than the policies themselves.
The same level of brutality will suddenly become acceptable as soon as it comes under the banner of international cooperation and has a nice EU or UN flag attached to it instead of an ugly British one.
This implies I'm shallow. Uncalled for.
Entirely called for.
Nothing is more acceptable because its "internationalist" in nature.
The USSR was "internationalist" - it was also an oppressive, repressive, backwards dictatorship.
That's not a relevant contribution. We're talking about enlightened cooperation not totalitarian conquest. There's nothing shallow about enlightened cooperation. Our future is bleak without it so you'd better hope I'm right.
Enlightened cooperation should happen between democracies who want to cooperate, like us working with Poland and others to supply arms for Ukraine.
Tying shit down in international treaties that appeal to the lowest common denominator and seek to circumvent Parliament and democratic accountability is the opposite of enlightenment.
You're seeking to derail onto a hobby horse. Treaties can be good or bad. It depends.
Treaties should be exceptionally rare, not the norm.
Democracy should be the norm.
Internationalism has gone far, far, far too far. Its retreat, if it happens, is a very good thing.
It's a very good tool for re-establishing networks that previously existed at the other place.
The stats are a touch interesting (if you aren't too irritated). From Thu to Wed accounts went up at a million per day (faster pro rata in the UK I think), and it has now slowed down again now quite markedly. Either it's consolidating, tech is catching up, or maybe Elon is being less pointedly trolling.
Ha, yes, maybe it's just the annoyingly patronising and banal sounding aspect of the name that irks me.
I think BlueSky definitely has a future. It's partly a more literate and relaxing place than I ever remember Twitter being, even in its earliest days, and partly a Left echo-chamber to echo the right-populist and pro-Russia echo chamber Twitter is strongly turning into.
TBH I can't call that yet. Take a raincheck at Christmas. Of the main parties with 6 or more MPs, the Cons are currently being backward about coming forward. Robert Jenrick sensibly has a placeholder, which will keep the parodies down.
There are certainly centre-rights (which depending on your issue and perspective might include me) trying to make waves 'before it becomes a left echo chamber'
Here's a starter pack, which includes JRM, Mark Wallace, and Guido Minor aka Tom Harwood !
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
Oh my goodness, yes I am seriously interested! Why The War Games? There are many I would have preferred from Troughton's era (Tomb, Invasion, Web of Fear, Enemy Of The World). I hope they did as good a job as they did with the Daleks. Hopefully it will become a yearly tradition.
It's a very good tool for re-establishing networks that previously existed at the other place.
The stats are a touch interesting (if you aren't too irritated). From Thu to Wed accounts went up at a million per day (faster pro rata in the UK I think), and it has now slowed down again now quite markedly. Either it's consolidating, tech is catching up, or maybe Elon is being less pointedly trolling.
Ha, yes, maybe it's just the annoyingly patronising and banal sounding aspect of the name that irks me.
I think BlueSky definitely has a future. It's partly a more literate and relaxing place than I ever remember Twitter being, even in its earliest days, and partly a Left echo-chamber to echo the right-populist and pro-Russia echo chamber Twitter is strongly turning into.
I joined it out of curiosity, with no intention of staying, but it turns out I shall linger, and probably post in both places
Like you I find Bluesky more relaxing, quiet, pensive, highminded, and indeed dull compared to the bearpit of TwiX, but that can be an advantage in itself
I can see it surviving as a smaller leftier counterpart to TwiX, and maybe even a rival in time, in which case Musk might have to reverse some of the changes which have alienated people from his site
However if Bluesky is to survive it has to overcome major challenges, too:
1. How are they ever going to make money? If they gain 50m adherents that will require serious staffing and moderation, I see no evidence of any way they can make cash. No ads, no blueticks, zip. This will be a problem v soon
2. If it stays a lefty echo chamber then it could be TOO dull. People like arguments. Weirdly. they actually need some rightwing people, and if their more idiotic lefty accounts successfully block all rightwingers they will, paradoxically, possibly doom the site
More generally, it is bad for humanity if opinion gets further silo'd, that is highly likely with the rise of a Pure Left Bluesky, tho it does mean lefties will be even more surprised and horrified every time there is an election and they lose, which is always amusing
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet
Find me a source: number of people jailed for tweets = ? Bet you can't make it add up to more than 20.
It's such hyperbolic nonsense.
In 2023 over 3000 were arrested for social media offences a large number of whom were jailed, this year will be significantly higher than that. Even in Russia in 2023 only 400 were arrested for social media offences
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
The variable seems to be your level of acceptance rather than the policies themselves.
The same level of brutality will suddenly become acceptable as soon as it comes under the banner of international cooperation and has a nice EU or UN flag attached to it instead of an ugly British one.
This implies I'm shallow. Uncalled for.
Have you taken part in the massive demonstrations against the actions of the Libyan Coastguard?
Who are running a modern slavery system. Guess who is subsidising them?
Yes I know the answers to both of those. We can proceed to the next level.
My view on the Monarchy is similar to Churchill's on democracy and I wouldn't want a Presidential election which would inevitably become a political bunfight.
That being said, I'm not an uncritical adherent of the Monarchy and given they own 287,000 acres of farmland and have a real estate portfolio of around £16 billion, I tbhink we're entitled to ask some searching questions as to whether they really need all this real estate and whether some of it couldn't have alternative use.
We don't have "Divine Right" any longer and accountability and scrutiny should apply to the Royal Household and the Crown Estate as much as to other public institutions.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet
Find me a source: number of people jailed for tweets = ? Bet you can't make it add up to more than 20.
It's such hyperbolic nonsense.
In 2023 over 3000 were arrested for social media offences a large number of whom were jailed, this year will be significantly higher than that. Even in Russia in 2023 only 400 were arrested for social media offences
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
Oh my goodness, yes I am seriously interested! Why The War Games? There are many I would have preferred from Troughton's era (Tomb, Invasion, Web of Fear, Enemy Of The World). I hope they did as good a job as they did with the Daleks. Hopefully it will become a yearly tradition.
It would be excellent if that was the case.
I suspect the last two episodes will be full of bright and vivid colours and probably why this was chosen. Web they could work around not having part 3 but I think Invasion, as good as it would be, would be a struggle without part 1.
I think Mind Robber and Krotons would be really good colourised too.
I suspect it is parts 1,2,9,10 with a small amount of the intervening escape, get caught, escape get caught stuff.
Also looks,like they’ve managed to work a troughton to pertwee regen.
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.
It's an existential threat to our planet, and one that the trend is to do nothing as it inconveniences us too much.
Our generation will be fine, but it will be like Mad Max by the end of the century.
Thinking long term the planet will regenerate and new species may develop but we will go the way of the dinosaurs.
At least that means we'll replenish the coal reserves for future new species.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet
Find me a source: number of people jailed for tweets = ? Bet you can't make it add up to more than 20.
It's such hyperbolic nonsense.
In 2023 over 3000 were arrested for social media offences a large number of whom were jailed, this year will be significantly higher than that. Even in Russia in 2023 only 400 were arrested for social media offences
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
Oh my goodness, yes I am seriously interested! Why The War Games? There are many I would have preferred from Troughton's era (Tomb, Invasion, Web of Fear, Enemy Of The World). I hope they did as good a job as they did with the Daleks. Hopefully it will become a yearly tradition.
It would be excellent if that was the case.
I suspect the last two episodes will be full of bright and vivid colours and probably why this was chosen.
I suspect it is parts 1,2,9,10 with a small amount of the intervening escape, get caught, escape get caught stuff.
Also looks,like they’ve managed to work a troughton to pertwee regen.
Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.
Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.
In retrospect, was German reindustrialisation after WW2 a crime against humanity? Just think how much cumulative damage it has done to the climate.
The interesting question is to what extent Western sponsorship of that was a function of creating a bulwark against Soviet Russia.
It's possible they might have been deindustrialised were it not for that threat.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
I mean a politics that shifts wealth and opportunity in favour of those who are in most need without corruption or financial recklessness or xenophobic obsession with borders and immigration. Nothing like Venezuela.
What do you honestly think will happen if Britain becomes, say, 30% Muslim? Or 40%? Think about it, and be honest
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).
Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?
@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won
I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow
I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.
Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet
Find me a source: number of people jailed for tweets = ? Bet you can't make it add up to more than 20.
It's such hyperbolic nonsense.
In 2023 over 3000 were arrested for social media offences a large number of whom were jailed, this year will be significantly higher than that. Even in Russia in 2023 only 400 were arrested for social media offences
For those that are interest on Dec 23 a colourised, condensed, version of the final Pat Troughton Dr Who story. The timeless classic War Games, is going to be shown on the BBC
Oh my goodness, yes I am seriously interested! Why The War Games? There are many I would have preferred from Troughton's era (Tomb, Invasion, Web of Fear, Enemy Of The World). I hope they did as good a job as they did with the Daleks. Hopefully it will become a yearly tradition.
It would be excellent if that was the case.
I suspect the last two episodes will be full of bright and vivid colours and probably why this was chosen. Web they could work around not having part 3 but I think Invasion, as good as it would be, would be a struggle without part 1.
I think Mind Robber and Krotons would be really good colourised too.
I suspect it is parts 1,2,9,10 with a small amount of the intervening escape, get caught, escape get caught stuff.
Also looks,like they’ve managed to work a troughton to pertwee regen.
I've run some of my old VHS 'divx' files through some of the recent "AI" upscalers. They are surprisingly good. Even "The Web Planet" doesn't look quite as bad as you'd expect.
It's a very good tool for re-establishing networks that previously existed at the other place.
The stats are a touch interesting (if you aren't too irritated). From Thu to Wed accounts went up at a million per day (faster pro rata in the UK I think), and it has now slowed down again now quite markedly. Either it's consolidating, tech is catching up, or maybe Elon is being less pointedly trolling.
Ha, yes, maybe it's just the annoyingly patronising and banal sounding aspect of the name that irks me.
I think BlueSky definitely has a future. It's partly a more literate and relaxing place than I ever remember Twitter being, even in its earliest days, and partly a Left echo-chamber to echo the right-populist and pro-Russia echo chamber Twitter is strongly turning into.
I joined it out of curiosity, with no intention of staying, but it turns out I shall linger, and probably post in both places
Like you I find Bluesky more relaxing, quiet, pensive, highminded, and indeed dull compared to the bearpit of TwiX, but that can be an advantage in itself
I can see it surviving as a smaller leftier counterpart to TwiX, and maybe even a rival in time, in which case Musk might have to reverse some of the changes which have alienated people from his site
However if Bluesky is to survive it has to overcome major challenges, too:
1. How are they ever going to make money? If they gain 50m adherents that will require serious staffing and moderation, I see no evidence of any way they can make cash. No ads, no blueticks, zip. This will be a problem v soon
2. If it stays a lefty echo chamber then it could be TOO dull. People like arguments. Weirdly. they actually need some rightwing people, and if their more idiotic lefty accounts successfully block all rightwingers they will, paradoxically, possibly doom the site
More generally, it is bad for humanity if opinion gets further silo'd, that is highly likely with the rise of a Pure Left Bluesky, tho it does mean lefties will be even more surprised and horrified every time there is an election and they lose, which is always amusing
I agree with that. I am not sure of business model. Part of it is distributed user supported by providing hosts (like say some of the peer to peer networks or how the internet used to be), and they already have domain-equivalent account names - essentially paid for subdomains - which are a start. I agree it will need more.
Their models may well be setups like The Document Foundation, who do Libre Office.
I'm in the Gamalien "let's see what happens" camp, whilst recognising that a couple of my niches are shifting more or less completely, so I have the chance to develop a couple of projects at a fertile time.
COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:
If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.
Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.
Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"
Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.
Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.
It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺
(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)
Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point
There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work
Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party
"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"
No, it will need to be internationalist. That's the only way to solve people movement without unacceptable brutality. Enlightened cooperation between countries.
The variable seems to be your level of acceptance rather than the policies themselves.
The same level of brutality will suddenly become acceptable as soon as it comes under the banner of international cooperation and has a nice EU or UN flag attached to it instead of an ugly British one.
This implies I'm shallow. Uncalled for.
Entirely called for.
Nothing is more acceptable because its "internationalist" in nature.
The USSR was "internationalist" - it was also an oppressive, repressive, backwards dictatorship.
That's not a relevant contribution. We're talking about enlightened cooperation not totalitarian conquest. There's nothing shallow about enlightened cooperation. Our future is bleak without it so you'd better hope I'm right.
Enlightened cooperation should happen between democracies who want to cooperate, like us working with Poland and others to supply arms for Ukraine.
Tying shit down in international treaties that appeal to the lowest common denominator and seek to circumvent Parliament and democratic accountability is the opposite of enlightenment.
You're seeking to derail onto a hobby horse. Treaties can be good or bad. It depends.
Treaties should be exceptionally rare, not the norm.
Democracy should be the norm.
Internationalism has gone far, far, far too far. Its retreat, if it happens, is a very good thing.
This is all about the World Economic Forum, isn't it?
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Grandstanding politicians have been happy to spunk our money away with no mandate must to feel good and get nice comments on social media.
Charities and NGOs pushing for it as they get a fair chunk of this money to manage,
These fuckers are after $1 trillion a year. Jog on. It won’t stop there. It never does.
At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.
Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him
Where do they find these people
As has been done time and time again to create a better world.
Cooperation is the lowest common denominator and undemocratic, it is not a good thing.
I'd like to vote for a manifesto written by the New Economics Foundation. I guess some would call it populist, I just think it would be common sense.
@viewcode @ydoethur @bondegezou
In case you’ve not clocked this.
Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.
You really are absurd sometimes.
Having equality before the law is not a harm.
It's not the End of History, you know. The far right are having a moment, is all.
Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote
I will do it for you
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/southport-liverpool-merseyside-south-yorkshire-rotherham-b2617623.html
Who are running a modern slavery system. Guess who is subsidising them?
This is a "list" not a "starter pack", so you get a combined feed, plus a tab with all the biographies, but not a "follow all" button.
There is a third party tool called Bluewave that you can use to follow all of them.
This is curated by Mark Pack.
https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:a6wrvelwrychxwdcjmisvr2c/lists/3kztq2msuoo2g
These nations want $1 Trillion a year. Where’s that going to come from ?
It doesn’t grow on trees and interest rates are not going to come down as quickly as hoped and the west has a lot of debt. Including the US.
https://x.com/convertbond/status/1860324078873084327?s=61
https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/more-than-1-000-arrests-have-now-been-made-in-connection-with-recent-violent-disorder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWqoB6Ujj80
Is it your view that violent criminals should not be arrested?
Some sort of cross between your first day at school or University, or some sort of corporate or charity induction day. Highly irritating.
Not arrested for violence.
Traditionally Tories normally welcome violent criminals being arrested, I wonder why HYUFD doesn't in this instance?
I think large scale migration is a symptom of policy failure, not a solution to anything.
Without wishing to write an essay in response, to me global cooperation would have the following elements:
- a recognition from all parties involved that, whilst a minority of migrants enrich themselves and the communities they move to, for the majority the choice to migrate is because they are unable to fulfil some basic need in their home community. And the communities who experience onward migration, whilst they might benefit economically, experience severe cultural dislocation.
- Global cooperation should be about supporting more of the world's population to meet their basic needs in their home communities, such that migration is limited to a choice made by those who are more footloose, like Leon, rather than something forced on people.
- Of course, with the power imbalances in the world today, 'cooperation' always means 'money'. I think the role of western countries is to accept the degree to which our current wealth has accrued from resource (including human resource) extraction from less wealthy parts of the world, and that our responsibilities lie in rederessing that balance to a sensible and negotiated degree.
This is, of course, an ideal and I have sympathy with the argument that it wouldn't be possible to actually achieve. Nevertheless, to retain the idealism for a moment longer: many on the left venerate migration as freeing and culturally enriching. If we achieved my list above, I think we'd end up in a world where global migration flows were far lower but the migration that did happen would live up to the left's ideals.
I hope that makes at least some sense!
https://x.com/bgatesisapyscho/status/1860320145211592754?s=61
Tying shit down in international treaties that appeal to the lowest common denominator and seek to circumvent Parliament and democratic accountability is the opposite of enlightenment.
I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.
About 20 of the heads of U.S. health insurance companies, all sitting in a large beaming group around Trump.
https://blueskydirectory.com/starter-packs/all
It's a very good tool for re-establishing networks that previously existed at the other place.
The stats are a touch interesting (if you aren't too irritated). From Thu to Wed accounts went up at a million per day (faster pro rata in the UK I think), and it has now slowed down again now quite markedly. Either it's consolidating, tech is catching up, or maybe Elon is being less pointedly trolling.
Large scale migration is a symptom of success not failure.
When people can't afford the basics they can't afford to migrate either.
Migration increases, it doesn't decrease, as people become wealthier.
Recent decades have seen billions be lifted out of what would have been previously termed poverty. The world is healthier and wealthier than it ever has been. Including for poorer countries.
As a result, people can afford to move.
Our generation will be fine, but it will be like Mad Max by the end of the century.
Thinking long term the planet will regenerate and new species may develop but we will go the way of the dinosaurs.
The money includes investment; there's a pretty good economic case, for example, for Europe to invest in N African solar. Some if which energy can be exported into Europe.
Climate money in the form of renewable generation capacity would likely be a far more effective use of our money than quite a lot of what we spend on foreign aid - both for us and the recipients.
It does feel like we're going backwards from what was a pretty broad consensus just a few years ago, and the election of Trump will not help. Frightening.
Gavin Newsom looks like Ellen DeGeneres, Geert Wilders, and Homelander merged into one person
https://x.com/USA_Polling/status/1860384765980889169
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2024/nov/23/cop29-talks-go-into-overtime-as-countries-wrangle-over-finance-deal-live-coverage
I wonder what US, China and India will say?
She has written to her constituents saying she is profoundly concerned about the legislation and joins a growing number of the cabinet opposed
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-on-slippery-slope-to-death-on-demand-justice-secretary-shabana-mahmood-says-ahead-of-assisted-dying-vote-13259528
As I say it's coming rather than already here. Least I hope so.
Nothing will ever be enough for you and your ilk.
It started of small. Now these nations are demanding $1 trillion a year, what next $10 trillion a year. $100 trillion a year just for nations who just say the need it and charities and NGOs that will ‘administer it’. Where is the corporate oversight and how do we know this is value for money.
As for the money
Where does it come from ?
Interest rates are not heading south anytime soon in decent numbers and US inflation is back on the increase now. Govts have large debts they need to service and economies they need to function.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-emissions-set-to-fall-in-2024-after-record-growth-in-clean-energy/
IMO I didn't know enough detail on the particular question to give a reliable comment.
If we can reduce carbon output by spending our money in some developing nation more than we would in this country then we should do that, especially if the technology and the kit is produced here. Money spent protecting the rain forest (if it works) is more productive than subsidising the growth of trees in this country. No problem. But there is very little money and it needs to be spent productively.
I think BlueSky definitely has a future. It's partly a more literate and relaxing place than I ever remember Twitter being, even in its earliest days, and partly a Left echo-chamber to echo the right-populist and pro-Russia echo chamber Twitter is strongly turning into.
Your post would be the sort of stuff Ian Hislop spouts on HIGNFY to applause from an audience of like minded people while he gurns for effect.
If you look at polling on this the vast majority of us are convinced as to the need to take action and many of us do. I’d put my carbon footprint happily against most peoples. The issue is how we get there and it just seems to many there is a lot of grift going on around this. COP sessions seem to achieve little practical and all comes down to money.
Democracy should be the norm.
Internationalism has gone far, far, far too far. Its retreat, if it happens, is a very good thing.
There are certainly centre-rights (which depending on your issue and perspective might include me) trying to make waves 'before it becomes a left echo chamber'
Here's a starter pack, which includes JRM, Mark Wallace, and Guido Minor aka Tom Harwood !
https://bsky.app/starter-pack/sebastianpayne.bsky.social/3laxvx5ambb2b
Like you I find Bluesky more relaxing, quiet, pensive, highminded, and indeed dull compared to the bearpit of TwiX, but that can be an advantage in itself
I can see it surviving as a smaller leftier counterpart to TwiX, and maybe even a rival in time, in which case Musk might have to reverse some of the changes which have alienated people from his site
However if Bluesky is to survive it has to overcome major challenges, too:
1. How are they ever going to make money? If they gain 50m adherents that will require serious staffing and moderation, I see no evidence of any way they can make cash. No ads, no blueticks, zip. This will be a problem v soon
2. If it stays a lefty echo chamber then it could be TOO dull. People like arguments. Weirdly. they actually need some rightwing people, and if their more idiotic lefty accounts successfully block all rightwingers they will, paradoxically, possibly doom the site
More generally, it is bad for humanity if opinion gets further silo'd, that is highly likely with the rise of a Pure Left Bluesky, tho it does mean lefties will be even more surprised and horrified every time there is an election and they lose, which is always amusing
https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/more-than-1-000-arrests-have-now-been-made-in-connection-with-recent-violent-disorder
The United States Airforce has confirmed a number of unidentified drones have been spotted over three airbases in Britain.
My view on the Monarchy is similar to Churchill's on democracy and I wouldn't want a Presidential election which would inevitably become a political bunfight.
That being said, I'm not an uncritical adherent of the Monarchy and given they own 287,000 acres of farmland and have a real estate portfolio of around £16 billion, I tbhink we're entitled to ask some searching questions as to whether they really need all this real estate and whether some of it couldn't have alternative use.
We don't have "Divine Right" any longer and accountability and scrutiny should apply to the Royal Household and the Crown Estate as much as to other public institutions.
What it does use is the word violence. Its in the title in fact.
More than 1,000 arrests made in connection with violent disorder
Violence should lead to arrest.
I suspect the last two episodes will be full of bright and vivid colours and probably why this was chosen. Web they could work around not having part 3 but I think Invasion, as good as it would be, would be a struggle without part 1.
I think Mind Robber and Krotons would be really good colourised too.
I suspect it is parts 1,2,9,10 with a small amount of the intervening escape, get caught, escape get caught stuff.
Also looks,like they’ve managed to work a troughton to pertwee regen.
https://x.com/theanorakzone/status/1860416930168910154?s=61
It's possible they might have been deindustrialised were it not for that threat.
It does explain the bullshit you're spouting, but there was no source there.
Their models may well be setups like The Document Foundation, who do Libre Office.
I'm in the Gamalien "let's see what happens" camp, whilst recognising that a couple of my niches are shifting more or less completely, so I have the chance to develop a couple of projects at a fertile time.
Article:
https://bsky.social/about/blog/7-05-2023-business-plan