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  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 754
    The Jaguar ad will get people talking - in the same way as Bud Light did in US....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,400
    I guess I'm staying in the US then.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,538

    The internet is having so much fun with Jaguar rebrand. If the task for the PR agency was to get lots of people taking about the brand, they certainly achieved that. Not sure it will lead to lots of people buying their new perfume, that's what they sell right given the ad?

    That approach works for something like tbh skincare. Not sure it'll work for a car company.
  • Leon said:

    Does anyone else have irrational hatreds for certain types of social media?

    For me it is Facebook and Linkedin

    I still get notifications from old friends who are STILL posting shit on Facebook and I quietly want to punch them. It's a depressing hospice of a place, and I don't want to think about it

    Linkedin is far far worse. Everything about it makes me want to vomit

    Weirdly, that's it. TikTok is probably much more corrosive, likewise Instagram, but I just find them sightly irritating or merely boring

    YouTube comments section is the only place I still find humour and human connection prevailing. Plus of course niche forums like PB.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Pulpstar said:

    Good poll for Buttigieg:

    #New 2028 Dem primary poll

    Kamala Harris - 43%
    Pete Buttigieg - 9%
    Gavin Newsom - 8%
    Tim walz - 7%
    Josh Shapiro - 5%
    Ocasio-Cortez - 4%

    LOL 43% want to run Kamala again, after she lost by a landslide to Donald Trump!

    Buttigeig is a much better politician, as is Josh Shapiro from that list. Those two would be my picks for ‘28, when the likely Republican nominee is JD Vance or Ron DeSantis. If they insist on a woman then definitely Gretchen Whitmer over AOC.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Penddu2 said:

    The Jaguar ad will get people talking - in the same way as Bud Light did in US....

    How to totally annoy all of your existing customers, while also not attracting the new customers at which you’re aiming the advert.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,400
    Sandpit said:

    LOL 43% want to run Kamala again, after she lost by a landslide to Donald Trump!

    Buttigeig is a much better politician, as is Josh Shapiro from that list. Those two would be my picks for ‘28, when the likely Republican nominee is JD Vance or Ron DeSantis. If they insist on a woman then definitely Gretchen Whitmer over AOC.
    These polls are worthless this far from an election.

    Also, Newsom is a staggeringly poor candidate, who would struggle to win California.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771
    viewcode said:

    they are making a film of "The Magic Faraway Tree". I don't know whether to rejoice or run away screaming. If they ruin it I shall be quite vexed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magic_Faraway_Tree_(film)

    It is Simon Farnaby, so it should be a good script. And the cast is also excellent.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,400

    I think that's complacent.

    China is obviously seeking to play this for their advantage, and at the moment this means not being all-in supporting Russia. Recently this has involved Chinese banks cutting off some payment options for Russian firms, to keep on the right side of Western sanctions. But this calculation could easily change.

    Consider the effect of two known Trump policies. Stopping support for Ukraine and imposing tariffs on China. The combined effect of these two policies would be to reduce the amount of help that Russia would require to prevail over Ukraine, and to reduce the incentive to China to limit their support to Russia to avoid Western sanctions.

    The result could be a change in Chinese policy to provide sufficient support to Russia that it can overcome the limited European support for Ukraine, because the tariffs will mean that China will already have suffered much of any consequence for doing so.
    There are things China can be very helpful with (electronics, some munitions), but for others - like food - Russia is very much on its own.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited November 2024
    Penddu2 said:

    The Jaguar ad will get people talking - in the same way as Bud Light did in US....

    Well so far they have avoided the Bud Light "misstep" of also calling all your customers a basket of deplorables.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,135

    The internet is having so much fun with Jaguar rebrand. If the task for the PR agency was to get lots of people taking about the brand, they certainly achieved that. Not sure it will lead to lots of people buying their new perfume, that's what they sell right given the ad?

    Perfect Curve's finest hour...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    rcs1000 said:

    These polls are worthless this far from an election.

    Also, Newsom is a staggeringly poor candidate, who would struggle to win California.
    Worthless as an actual prediction for ‘28 of course, but also indicative of the thinking that the Dems don’t understand how and why they just lost.

    Newsom would suffer from the same problems as Harris did, as having gone all-in on the California woke nonsense for the past decade.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited November 2024
    YOU'RE JOKING, NOT ANOTHER ONE.....

    Curriculum shake-up expected to boost take-up of arts subjects
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/curriculum-shake-up-expected-to-boost-take-up-of-arts-subjects-rb6wwh8cs
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    rcs1000 said:

    There are things China can be very helpful with (electronics, some munitions), but for others - like food - Russia is very much on its own.
    For all his many faults, Xi has been pretty good when it comes to the Ukraine war. He realised quickly that it wasn’t in China’s interest to get involved, and that his country could benefit from a significantly weakened Russia in both the short and long terms.

    That’s not to mean he shouldn’t be under pressure for being a conduit for sanctioned goods in one direction and sanctioned oil in the other, both of which are assisting Putin’s war machine, but if China had got involved militarily we’d almost certainly be looking at WWIII by now.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Another Democrat activist sticks his head above the parapet:

    https://x.com/cenkuygur/status/1858896978618511748

    When I became a Democrat, it was the more tolerant party. Republicans were run by religious nut jobs and corporate robots. Now, the Democrats are in a lot of ways the less tolerant party.

    The least tolerant part is actually the establishment wing of the party that says anyone opposing their anointed leaders is committing heresy. If you try to give constructive criticism of the party to improve it, they drive you from the party while screaming, “He’s not a real Democrat!!”

    They hate populists. They have become the corporate robots I couldn’t stand. They hate their base. They insult our intelligence by pretending that the donors are not in charge. They think we should be controlled and learn how to follow orders. And they have no idea how elitist they sound.

    Predictably, their unironic reaction to this post will be, “Heretic!!”
  • The FBI arrested a man who's been charged with planning an attack on the New York Stock Exchange

    A Florida man was arrested Wednesday and charged with a plot to “reboot” the U.S. government by planting a bomb at the New York Stock Exchange this week and detonating it with a remote-controlled device, according to the FBI.

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/the-fbi-arrested-a-man-who-s-been-charged-with-planning-an-attack-on-the-new-york-stock-exchange-1.7117881
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Did we all see Sunny Hostin on The View getting told to read a ‘legal note’, minutes after talking about the historic allegations surrounding Rep. Matt Gaetz - without mentioning that the FBI investigation resulted in no charges against him?

    https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1859055717602238895
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,156
    BBC saying John Prescott has died.
  • boulay said:

    BBC saying John Prescott has died.

    There are bad jokes about Jags rebrand and him, but not the time or place.
  • We would like to thank the amazing NHS doctors and nurses who cared for him after his stroke in 2019 and the dedicated staff at the care home where he passed away after latterly living with Alzheimer’s.

    https://x.com/johnprescott/status/1859476675873906913
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814
    boulay said:

    I really didn’t like him in the lead up to 1997 and after but I find myself looking back with fondness at the old bugger as a lot more character with a good life experience pre politics than most of the current mob.
    “John’s punched a bloke”
  • moonshine said:

    “John’s punched a bloke”
    I think most people thought better for him when he did come out swinging against that egg thrower- i did .
  • Foxy said:

    Even I can see the absurdity in that show!

    That's the other reason that I don't watch hospital shows. The medical and procedural gaffes grate so much.

    I do make an occasional exception. I loved Green Wing for example, though perhaps because it is about staff interactions with patients barely feature.

    I loathed "This is going to Hurt" by Adam Kay, though critics seemed to love it.
    The only medical show that I watched was Cardiac Arrest - Good dark humour with good characters without it being silly
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,644
    edited November 2024
    Some good may come of this.

    It may make some think twice about giving to people doing ridiculous things in the name of Charidee. Not all such stunts are fraudulent, but the Charity Commission has a hard time keeping an eye on them.
  • boulay said:

    I really didn’t like him in the lead up to 1997 and after but I find myself looking back with fondness at the old bugger as a lot more character with a good life experience pre politics than most of the current mob.
    Apparently he was encouraged to pursue a career in politics by Sir Antony Eden, who he served whilst the former PM was recuperating from surgery on a cruise ship. If true, it's intriguing and kind of reflects well on them both.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,303
    Sandpit said:

    How to totally annoy all of your existing customers, while also not attracting the new customers at which you’re aiming the advert.
    The remarkable thing is that JLR have any customers at-all. They build very expensive vehicles which are remarkably unreliable, and have done so for long enough that this is the main thing the brand is known for with the public.

    Jag in particular - what segment are they chasing? If I wanted a really nice expensive saloon or sports car, there will be something from Merc, BMW, Audi, Lexus which is aimed at the segment I'm after and probably won't be going back to the dealership on a lorry once a month.

    If I really want to show off ostentatiously wealth, I'd order a Bentley.

    If I want an offroad workhouse, Ford Rangers are OK if you're handing them back in at the end of the lease (you don't want one out of warranty, but they last the first 3 years OK), or probably a HiLux if its a long-term keeper.

    I just don't see what the target market is for "expensive, fairly average, terrible build quality and remarkably unreliable".
  • YOU'RE JOKING, NOT ANOTHER ONE.....

    Curriculum shake-up expected to boost take-up of arts subjects
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/education/article/curriculum-shake-up-expected-to-boost-take-up-of-arts-subjects-rb6wwh8cs

    They're going to totally fuck up education in England.

    Simply rolling out every progressive education shibboleth.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited November 2024

    Some good may come of this.

    It may make some think twice about giving to people doing ridiculous things in the name of Charidee. Not all such stunts are fraudulent, but the Charity Commission has a hard time keeping an eye on them.
    The regulator’s findings showed that Club Nook, a private firm set up by the Ingram-Moores in April 2020, was paid an advance of £1.47m for Sir Capt Tom’s three books, including his best-selling autobiography, Tomorrow Will be a Good Day.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86qdq67dd5o

    April 2020 was just when he became famous. Its unclear from the BBC report if this company was something totally separate venture that his daughter setup and then used to enrich herself later on by funneling money through it, or if all of this was all about self enrichment as soon as his charity walk took off.
  • boulay said:

    BBC saying John Prescott has died.

    Sad news
  • I think most people thought better for him when he did come out swinging against that egg thrower- i did .
    The DM and its like really went for him over that, but most normal people felt like you and me. It was a perfectly understandable response to an unexpected assault.
  • biggles said:

    With (a lot of) hindsight, we probably should have told the German army to about turn in 1945, kept them intact, and marched with them to Moscow.
    That's essentially what they wanted us to do at the time.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,508
    Foxy said:

    Somewhere I have a 1997 election pledge card signed by him and given out by him personally at a campaign stop in Loughborough.

    Prescott was a flawed individual, as we all are, but was key to the New Labour project. Blairism can only go so far in its technocratic managerial approach, and Starmerism is a pale imitation of New Labour without the Prescott it needs. Much the same applies to Kamala and the Democrats.

    There needs to be some irrational soul and passion alongside the pragmatism, and Precott embodied that in 1997. He was that most unusual thing, a Centre-Left Populist.
    Starmer is New Labour without the charisma and when they don't have any of other people's money to waste.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Why did so many people want to shut down any discussion of the possibility that the virus may have come from a Wuhan lab? I still don't get it.

    It was a problem that some intern deep in the bowels of the New York Times decided that the idea that a virus that started in Wuhan might have something to do with the Amalgamated Wuhan Virus Corporation is racist, and the bulk of prestige media just said: “Okay.” 
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,557
    theProle said:

    I just don't see what the target market is for "expensive, fairly average, terrible build quality and remarkably unreliable".

    Aston Martin owners?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,556

    The DM and its like really went for him over that, but most normal people felt like you and me. It was a perfectly understandable response to an unexpected assault.
    Their coverage was a complete yolk.

    Most people felt he was quite white to act as he did.

    But the press give no shell ter from their silliness.
  • It was a problem that some intern deep in the bowels of the New York Times decided that the idea that a virus that started in Wuhan might have something to do with the Amalgamated Wuhan Virus Corporation is racist, and the bulk of prestige media just said: “Okay.” 
    And the Lancet editor is still in place....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited November 2024
    Fishing said:

    Starmer is New Labour without the charisma and when they don't have any of other people's money to waste.
    Starmer government is a Microsoft Windows 365 Link computer vs New Labour Mac mini....
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,012

    Sad news
    He was grade one cnut. Sadly he had Altzheinmers and you wouldn't wish that on your worst enemy.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,483
    edited November 2024
    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Urquhart, it's worth comparing this government with the Coalition, who also had a difficult economic inheritance.

    The Conservatives had highlighted the difficult economic picture ahead of the election, and campaigned on making cuts to try and sort it out. Labour ducked all of that, even with persistent and enormous leads. This raises not just the lack of a mandate from the electorate for many actions, it also means (seemingly) they didn't actually do much of the work ahead of time.

    Edited extra bit: and RIP John Prescott. Alzheimer's is horrendous.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,557
    edited November 2024

    I think it should be a swap deal, for each one of these celebs we take, we should be able to send one of ours to US. James Corden your flight to America is departing....
    Don't rock the boat - they already have Piers Morgan...
  • eek said:

    64 of the Tories' 121 MPs are now either shadow ministers or whips (20 FUCKING WHIPS)

    That leaves only 57 (in theory) that need active whipping to vote with the party.

    So each whip gets 2 - 3 people to whip.

    Kemi "I will cut bureaucracy" Badenoch, everyone!

    https://bsky.app/profile/garius.bsky.social/post/3lbfhdkgv4c2n

    Once you rule out most of the new boys'n'girls, the elder states(wo)men, the ones on the non-partisan track (speakers, select committees) and the ones like James C and Tom T waiting for it all to fall apart...

    ... How many of those 57 are left? If there are any, they must be pretty annoyed this morning. Imagine- less credible than Andrew Rosindell.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,557
    ydoethur said:

    Their coverage was a complete yolk.

    Most people felt he was quite white to act as he did.

    But the press give no shell ter from their silliness.
    You're sounding a bit cracked...
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    Once you rule out most of the new boys'n'girls, the elder states(wo)men, the ones on the non-partisan track (speakers, select committees) and the ones like James C and Tom T waiting for it all to fall apart...

    ... How many of those 57 are left? If there are any, they must be pretty annoyed this morning. Imagine- less credible than Andrew Rosindell.
    This is the Tory party. If they had only 20 MPs I am not sure 20 whips would be enough to maintain discipline
  • Jonathan said:

    This is the Tory party. If they had only 20 MPs I am not sure 20 whips would be enough to maintain discipline
    It's the kind of ratio that might case the Stasi to say "hold on chaps, is that a bit excessive?"

    Especially since it doesn't matter. You need party discipline if you are a government trying to get business through. It can be helpful if you are an opposition with a chance of winning the odd vote.

    Right now, neither of those really applies.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,381

    Starmer government is a Microsoft Windows 365 Link computer vs New Labour Mac mini....
    Starmer government is Win CE (*) - looked bad, was clunky and no-one knew what it was for. New Labour was Windows XP - flash and good looking, but manky under the hood. Sunil's government was Windows Vista.

    What I really want the government to be is VxWorks: small, well-implemented, works really well and does what it does very reliably.

    (*) I had to work with when it was first released on an STB project. It wasn't good. The documentation was so new that the APIs differed from the documentation, and we had to ask MS which was accurate. Were we coding to the API, as the documentation would change, or the documentation because the API would change. The people we asked didn't know.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,269
    theProle said:

    The remarkable thing is that JLR have any customers at-all. They build very expensive vehicles which are remarkably unreliable, and have done so for long enough that this is the main thing the brand is known for with the public.

    Jag in particular - what segment are they chasing? If I wanted a really nice expensive saloon or sports car, there will be something from Merc, BMW, Audi, Lexus which is aimed at the segment I'm after and probably won't be going back to the dealership on a lorry once a month.

    If I really want to show off ostentatiously wealth, I'd order a Bentley.

    If I want an offroad workhouse, Ford Rangers are OK if you're handing them back in at the end of the lease (you don't want one out of warranty, but they last the first 3 years OK), or probably a HiLux if its a long-term keeper.

    I just don't see what the target market is for "expensive, fairly average, terrible build quality and remarkably unreliable".
    Jag's problem is that they are a heritage brand that appeals to a demographic that is too old.

    My Dad has always loved Jags, indeed in 1960 he drove one to a small Spanish fishing village called Torremelinos for his honeymoon, a 1948 model that he had bought and done up for £10. He gave it away when he got back as couldn't afford the petrol. Since then he has had Mark 2, Mark 10, XJ12 and currently has an XJ. The recent one is 20 years old and pretty reliable. The XJ12 was brilliant fun on the rare occasions that it worked.

    That walnut and leather market is as old as my Dad and Prescott. If they are to survive then they do need to engage a youth market. Remember the days when every footballer wanted an E type? It is possible to get a youth market, but far more likely that Jaguar will follow MG, and just be badge engineered cars from the far East.
  • Wow Captain Tom family are the worst....in a statement to the BBC they claim that they never promised to make donations to charity from the book advance and their dead father decided he wanted to keep the money...despite the BBC having press releases etc saying money from the book will go to the foundation.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    Starmer government is Win CE (*) - looked bad, was clunky and no-one knew what it was for. New Labour was Windows XP - flash and good looking, but manky under the hood. Sunil's government was Windows Vista.

    What I really want the government to be is VxWorks: small, well-implemented, works really well and does what it does very reliably.

    (*) I had to work with when it was first released on an STB project. It wasn't good. The documentation was so new that the APIs differed from the documentation, and we had to ask MS which was accurate. Were we coding to the API, as the documentation would change, or the documentation because the API would change. The people we asked didn't know.
    Well the Tory Party is WindowsVista, ugly, bloated, nobody wants it and it crashes (the economy ) a lot.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,381

    It was a problem that some intern deep in the bowels of the New York Times decided that the idea that a virus that started in Wuhan might have something to do with the Amalgamated Wuhan Virus Corporation is racist, and the bulk of prestige media just said: “Okay.” 
    Partly because how it started was a complete irrelevance when it came to tackling it.

    And we will probably never know for sure how it started. What annoys me is that all this argument about how it started deflects from the one thing we can certainly pin on the Chinese government: that their secrecy and delay at the start of the pandemic allowed it to spread worldwide far quicker than could have been the case.

    They probably could not have stopped it spreading totally; but some valuable time would have been bought with more openness.

    The interesting question is whether that secrecy came from local authorities, who wanted to keep the truth from their superiors, the national Chinese government, or both. I reckon the latte.r
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,381

    Wow Captain Tom family are the worst....in a statement to the BBC they claim that they never promised to make donations to charity from the book advance and their dead father decided he wanted to keep the money...despite the BBC having press releases etc saying money from the book will go to the foundation.

    One of the things that annoys me about the VAT on school fees thing is the utter dishonesty of Labour over it. If they want to ensure that only charities can use charity exemptions, then there should be a root-and-branch evaluation of all charities. I fear there are many that only use a small percentage of donations for real charitable work. There are a heck of a lot of charlatan organisations and people in the charitable sector that need removing.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,012

    You're sounding a bit cracked...
    Have you been poaching jokes from somewhere else?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,744
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    Sandpit said:

    Worthless as an actual prediction for ‘28 of course, but also indicative of the thinking that the Dems don’t understand how and why they just lost.

    Newsom would suffer from the same problems as Harris did, as having gone all-in on the California woke nonsense for the past decade.
    I think the Newsom prediction equally worthless this far out. He might surprise both Robert and you.
    Like all cynical (as opposed to conviction) politicians, he seems to be in the process of reinventing himself.

    I don't particularly fancy his chances, but there are likely to be significant policy changes in the new year (note, for example the pragmatic new mayor in SF).
    The state will also be the effective leader of resistance to the more toxic stuff the Trump administration comes out with.

    I can see circumstances where he might look quite attractive to the party. Equally it could all go wrong for him, and he'll have no chance at all, but I certainly wouldn't be laying him as a complete no hoper just yet.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,744
    This is one if the things which makes me think it might get critical mass.

    Like ‘old Twitter’: The scientific community finds a new home on Bluesky
    After recent changes to Elon Musk’s X, a gradual migration turns into a stampede
    https://www.science.org/content/article/old-twitter-scientific-community-finds-new-home-bluesky
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,030
    edited November 2024
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814

    One of the things that annoys me about the VAT on school fees thing is the utter dishonesty of Labour over it. If they want to ensure that only charities can use charity exemptions, then there should be a root-and-branch evaluation of all charities. I fear there are many that only use a small percentage of donations for real charitable work. There are a heck of a lot of charlatan organisations and people in the charitable sector that need removing.
    Beware the chuggers that come round pubs in central london in the evening. Nominally raising “for the children”. Always studiously keeping their donations below the threshold for reporting their expenses.
  • NEW THREAD

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,778

    s

    Under Cold War rules, Eastern Europe was
    in the Soviet zone of influence. Any kind of
    mucking around across the Iron Curtain
    would have been a breach of the unwritten rules. Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union,
    proper.


    Which is part of what upsets Putin so badly.
    Eastern Europe isn’t supposed to have
    agency. They are supposed (in his mind) to
    give fealty to Russia.
    I disagree

    You need to remember that Putin was a key part of the super successful Dresden cell of the KGB.

    It isn’t part of what upsets Putin so badly.

    It’s entirely what upsets Putin. His mindset was fixed when he was the part of mother Russia that was functioning against the odds to disrupt the West and secure control of the DDR. The fact that he has not got back to that high point means his career is a personal failure.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,269
    edited November 2024
    Nigelb said:

    This is one if the things which makes me think it might get critical mass.

    Like ‘old Twitter’: The scientific community finds a new home on Bluesky
    After recent changes to Elon Musk’s X, a gradual migration turns into a stampede
    https://www.science.org/content/article/old-twitter-scientific-community-finds-new-home-bluesky

    Yes, Bluesky is the first twitter alternative that actually works, and as the Xodus continues it gets better each week. There is far more interesting comment and much more civil.

    Politicians and journalists may seek balance, but in many topics such as health and science there is no need. We don't need to balance science with anti-science, and for most of us Social Media is a social space not a job. Just as in real life we are not forced to have conversations with ranting bigots, we shouldn't be forced to online.
  • Fishing said:

    Starmer is New Labour without the charisma and when they don't have any of other people's money to waste.
    He's old Labour but the 21stC version.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,849
    edited November 2024
    DELETE

  • TazTaz Posts: 17,631
    viewcode said:

    I remember it when @Taz was in it

    (ducks :) )
    😂

    I remember downloading the first series from The Box
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,662
    edited November 2024
    Sandpit said:

    How to totally annoy all of your existing customers, while also not attracting the new customers at which you’re aiming the advert.
    I hope that Jag are doing some resilience work around Mr Chump's impending tariffs. AFAICs unlike their competitors, they do not have factories in the USA. That's where about 25-30% of their sales go.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,463
    edited November 2024
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