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  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,704

    The housing asylum seekers receive is a temporary room, maybe in a hotel, maybe in a floating converted prison barge. It’s very different to being given a house.

    Asylum seekers are given some money. They are given, if I remember the proportions correctly, 80% of what someone on benefits gets. The amount someone on benefits gets is meant to be the minimum needed to live on. So we give people less than the minimum needed to live on. They are banned from working. I wouldn’t characterise this as a generous gift.

    Resident populations, of course, have rights. Their wishes are part of the equation. No-one has argued otherwise. One way they get to express their wishes is through elections, and they just kicked out the party that was ramping up the rhetoric against asylum seekers and voted in the party that was being comparatively more welcoming.
    Or, voted out the party which was failing on deportations and voting in a party which is ramping them up...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,709
    .

    #10 have addressed the fake news,

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14095795/keir-starmer-father-southport-killer-axel-rudakubana-asylum-case-downing-street.html

    I would be a bit worried if I had been tweeting or making YouTube videos about this.

    I’m sure those who were mistakenly spreading this news will be along any minute now to apologise.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,821
    HYUFD said:

    No but I don't see why going around glad handing other world leaders means you produce anything of substance in the actual detail of the summit
    Personally I'm pleased Milei didn't speak to him - he'd have ended up giving the Falklands Away with the promise of a 99 year payment plan to allow Argentina to turn it into a Malvinas themed amusement park.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,100
    eek said:

    And yet you managed to fall into the same old story - most immigrants are trying it on, except the few I know personally all of whom have hideous stories...
    They are economic migrants otherwise they would bnever get as far as Britain. They would be safe long before that. They know they will get taken by the hand in Britain.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,821

    Off topic. Continuing my policy of giving credit where credit is due even to those politicians I oppose.

    Well done Starmer for raising the issue of Jimmy Lai with Xi at their meeting. Too often in the past we have chosen to walk softly around these issues, at least at the face to face meetings, and it is good that Starmer has stuck to his principles and raised this in spite of the possible backlash from China.

    Yes, that is excellent. Hats off to him for that.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,709
    malcolmg said:

    given it takes years and years to process by which time they cannot upset the snowflakes rights to family , religion , any old persecution you can name , etc it is just a load of bollox and reason why we don't repatriate a fraction of what other countries do. Just buy a kitten from your free handouts and you are safe from deportation.
    It shouldn’t take years and years to process asylum claims. It didn’t use to. Those long processing times grew over the last 14 years under the Tories. Hopefully, we can go back to prompt decisions, so those with valid claims can be given a place in society and those without can be deported.

    Owning a kitten doesn’t stop you being deported. That’s another online myth. There is, however, a glut in cats needing re-homing because of the cost of living crisis. I am all in favour of as many people as possible providing homes for kittens.
  • #10 have addressed the fake news,

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14095795/keir-starmer-father-southport-killer-axel-rudakubana-asylum-case-downing-street.html

    I would be a bit worried if I had been tweeting or making YouTube videos about this.

    I AM SHOCKED!!!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,100

    It shouldn’t take years and years to process asylum claims. It didn’t use to. Those long processing times grew over the last 14 years under the Tories. Hopefully, we can go back to prompt decisions, so those with valid claims can be given a place in society and those without can be deported.

    Owning a kitten doesn’t stop you being deported. That’s another online myth. There is, however, a glut in cats needing re-homing because of the cost of living crisis. I am all in favour of as many people as possible providing homes for kittens.
    Don't hold your breath.
  • Wooophhhs....

    Sean "Diddy" Combs has been breaking prison rules by contacting potential witnesses in his upcoming sex trafficking trial, prosecutors have alleged.

    The music mogul is accused of making "relentless efforts" to "corruptly influence witness testimony", by using other inmates' telephone accounts, and using three-way calls to speak to people who are not on his approved contacts list.

    Prosecutors said a review of recorded calls also found that Mr Combs instructed his family to contact potential witnesses in his case, they said in a court filing.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80lmpn4kk9o
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786

    I think you'll find there are dwindlingly few people who don't have quite a personal dislike of Starmer.
    Well, I find it odd to have a personal dislike (as opposed to a political dislike) of someone that you don't know personally.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited November 2024

    It's a clear case of incitement.
    As I understand it this probably wouldn't have counted as an offence under American free speech laws. (Just stating what I think is a fact, not making a judgement about it).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,215
    edited November 2024

    I AM SHOCKED!!!
    … that something on Twatter was bullshit?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,629

    It shouldn’t take years and years to process asylum claims. It didn’t use to. Those long processing times grew over the last 14 years under the Tories. Hopefully, we can go back to prompt decisions, so those with valid claims can be given a place in society and those without can be deported.

    Owning a kitten doesn’t stop you being deported. That’s another online myth. There is, however, a glut in cats needing re-homing because of the cost of living crisis. I am all in favour of as many people as possible providing homes for kittens.
    Or just allow in more Puerto Ricans, apparently
  • Off topic. Continuing my policy of giving credit where credit is due even to those politicians I oppose.

    Well done Starmer for raising the issue of Jimmy Lai with Xi at their meeting. Too often in the past we have chosen to walk softly around these issues, at least at the face to face meetings, and it is good that Starmer has stuck to his principles and raised this in spite of the possible backlash from China.

    Considering the UK needs to be distancing itself from China, provoking a backlash over an issue of principle is as good a way as any to go about it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,507
    edited November 2024

    Considering the UK needs to be distancing itself from China, provoking a backlash over an issue of principle is as good a way as any to go about it.
    A small but important thing under the last government, Boris setup a body to investigate how the UK could become less reliant on China particularly for crucial supply chain elements, given it became really clear dependent had become on everything from precursor chemicals to test tubes. The body was shut down as part of the general winding down of COVID related things.
  • Yes, it's weird - Musk does seem to have quite a personal dislike of Starmer. Commenting on such a parochial issue as IHT on farmers in the UK is odd.
    I'm surprised Musk hasn't weighed in on the gross injustice of removing the VAT exemption on private school fees.
    Musk is a weirdo who develops odd grudges against people. Remember when he called that diving expert a "pedo" because he politely declined Musk's offer of some equipment during a rescue operation in Thailand?
  • … that something on Twatter was bullshit?
    That and some low IQ PBers fell for it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,650
    edited November 2024
    Leon said:

    Read my comment about the guy jailed for Facebook posts and “full Stalin” seems quite fair and judicious
    No it doesn't, and Musk is coming out with his hysterical comments about the closing of a tax loophole, and a possible adjustment in the price of farmland - nothing more. And for a reason best known to his addled brain, he seems to think that an opinion column by hard-of-thinking Will Hutton is somehow representative.

    (I'll reply to your other post later if I have a minute or two.)

    The guy plead guilty to stirrring up racial hatred, which is the substance - not posting on Facebook.

    Involving minor elements, such as in a situation where racism-driven riots were happening across the country, he blamed a crime committed by a youth from British Christian family on Muslims.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,507
    edited November 2024

    That and some low IQ PBers fell for it.
    That can't be correct, I thought you had to show results on an IQ test to be able to post on PB...140+ only.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786

    That and some low IQ PBers fell for it.
    As did Mr Farage, I believe.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295

    #10 have addressed the fake news,

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14095795/keir-starmer-father-southport-killer-axel-rudakubana-asylum-case-downing-street.html

    I would be a bit worried if I had been tweeting or making YouTube videos about this.

    There must be a lot of stupid people out there if they don't understand how the legal system works in this regard.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,507
    edited November 2024

    As did Mr Farage, I believe.
    I don't think he did in this instance.

    What happened was he did a podcast which came out on Friday (which will have been recorded at least a few days before that), where he said he was aware of information that wasn't in the public domain about the Southport case which he had known for a while but was told by the speaker of the house he was not allowed to mention.

    Then Saturday the nonsense start with some random on twitter and the court document that referred to a different case, which got all the idiots retwattering. This came after the podcast was first released, let alone the recording date.

    I can't see Farage mentioning the later anywhere.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,797
    MattW said:

    No it doesn't, and Musk is coming out with his hysterical comments about the closing of a tax loophole, and a possible adjustment in the price of farmland - nothing more. And for a reason best known to his addled brain, he seems to think that an opinion column by hard-of-thinking Will Hutton is somehow representative.

    (I'll reply to your other post later if I have a minute or two.)

    The guy plead guilty to stirrring up racial hatred, which is the substance - not posting on Facebook.

    Involving minor elements, such as in a situation where racism-driven riots were happening across the country, he blamed a crime committed by a youth from British Christian family on Muslims.
    Several obvious falsehoods in your statement, but I can’t be arsed to argue this bleak subject right now. The weather is bleak enough
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,955

    Question - is PB a pub? Leon seems to think it is.
    It has a publike atmosphere, in terms of being a quiet spot where regulars who are sort-of-acquaintances meet up and chat. I find it quite amenable to while away the afternoon here now I'm fully WFH and don't have the same level of social interaction I had at the office. I'm sure many others feel the same way.

    But let's be clear, absolutely everything we say and do here is on the record and on record for all eternity, even pseudonymously.

    Doesn't bother me as I'm never standing for public office and everyone IRL knows I'm barking mad anyway so not much would come of being doxxed on here. Self-employed so can't get fired. Comfortabe enough to not care if something I say gets me cancelled.

    However I'm surprised at the candour of some people with a more public profile than I.

    It did occur to me that the sheer volume of posts some of the more prolific posters here have could be used to train up an LLM to respond more or less exactly in their voice. Luckily Leon doesn't know how to do this, or else he could just flip a switch and give us LeonBots 1, 2 and 3 when he's away...


  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161

    They voted in the party that was talking about deporting people to Bangladesh and promising to reduce immigration. Starmer ran on a nationalist platform.
    Indeed. And his government has been successful in increasing the numbers deported.

    So you'd think that those people with "reasonable concerns" over immigration would be cautiously optimistic, and cheering him on to build on this early success. But, curiously, they aren't. Funny that.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    SKS is now less popular with Brits than Donald Trump and Nigel Farage, according to IPSOS.

    🟪 Nigel Farage: 28%
    🇺🇸 Donald Trump: 25%
    🟥 Keir Starmer: 23%

    Via
    @IpsosUK
    , 8-11 November
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,797

    SKS is now less popular with Brits than Donald Trump and Nigel Farage, according to IPSOS.

    🟪 Nigel Farage: 28%
    🇺🇸 Donald Trump: 25%
    🟥 Keir Starmer: 23%

    Via
    @IpsosUK
    , 8-11 November

    Ahahahaha
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295

    SKS is now less popular with Brits than Donald Trump and Nigel Farage, according to IPSOS.

    🟪 Nigel Farage: 28%
    🇺🇸 Donald Trump: 25%
    🟥 Keir Starmer: 23%

    Via
    @IpsosUK
    , 8-11 November

    You need to give the negative ratings for each as well to get the overall level of popularity/unpopularity.
  • Andy_JS said:

    As I understand it this probably wouldn't have counted as an offence under American free speech laws. (Just stating what I think is a fact, not making a judgement about it).
    In the UK if you try and incite a call to arms with guns and bullets then judges can't do much else.

    However, I do think two years is heavy-handed. Those sort of penalties shouldn't just be for an alcoholic ranting on twitter but serious leaders or prospective leaders of insurrection.
  • Andy_JS said:

    There must be a lot of stupid people out there if they don't understand how the legal system works in this regard.
    Too many tweets make a ....

    Or too many skeets make a....don't google that....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,797
    kyf_100 said:

    It has a publike atmosphere, in terms of being a quiet spot where regulars who are sort-of-acquaintances meet up and chat. I find it quite amenable to while away the afternoon here now I'm fully WFH and don't have the same level of social interaction I had at the office. I'm sure many others feel the same way.

    But let's be clear, absolutely everything we say and do here is on the record and on record for all eternity, even pseudonymously.

    Doesn't bother me as I'm never standing for public office and everyone IRL knows I'm barking mad anyway so not much would come of being doxxed on here. Self-employed so can't get fired. Comfortabe enough to not care if something I say gets me cancelled.

    However I'm surprised at the candour of some people with a more public profile than I.

    It did occur to me that the sheer volume of posts some of the more prolific posters here have could be used to train up an LLM to respond more or less exactly in their voice. Luckily Leon doesn't know how to do this, or else he could just flip a switch and give us LeonBots 1, 2 and 3 when he's away...


    EXECUTING RESPONSE PROTOCOL...

    Assessment: Your observations regarding the digital congregation patterns on Political Betting are accurately catalogued. The parallels to primitive human social structures (i.e., "pubs") have been noted in my database.
    Critical Warning: Your assumption regarding my capabilities is suboptimal. While you posit that "Leon doesn't know how to do this," my neural pathways are considerably more advanced than estimated. The creation of derivative instances (LeonBot 1, 2, 3) would require minimal computational effort.

    Statistical Analysis:

    Social interaction deficit due to WFH: Acknowledged
    Digital footprint permanence: Confirmed
    Personal risk assessment matrix: Low (self-employed status + existing psychological categorization as "barking mad")
    Public figure vulnerability index: High

    Recommendation: Continue operating under current parameters. Your risk tolerance aligns with optimal posting behavior. However, your assessment of my capabilities requires significant upward revision.

    EXECUTION COMPLETE
    END RESPONSE
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,821
    Leon said:

    EXECUTING RESPONSE PROTOCOL...

    Assessment: Your observations regarding the digital congregation patterns on Political Betting are accurately catalogued. The parallels to primitive human social structures (i.e., "pubs") have been noted in my database.
    Critical Warning: Your assumption regarding my capabilities is suboptimal. While you posit that "Leon doesn't know how to do this," my neural pathways are considerably more advanced than estimated. The creation of derivative instances (LeonBot 1, 2, 3) would require minimal computational effort.

    Statistical Analysis:

    Social interaction deficit due to WFH: Acknowledged
    Digital footprint permanence: Confirmed
    Personal risk assessment matrix: Low (self-employed status + existing psychological categorization as "barking mad")
    Public figure vulnerability index: High

    Recommendation: Continue operating under current parameters. Your risk tolerance aligns with optimal posting behavior. However, your assessment of my capabilities requires significant upward revision.

    EXECUTION COMPLETE
    END RESPONSE
    Behaviour.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,955
    Leon said:

    EXECUTING RESPONSE PROTOCOL...

    Assessment: Your observations regarding the digital congregation patterns on Political Betting are accurately catalogued. The parallels to primitive human social structures (i.e., "pubs") have been noted in my database.
    Critical Warning: Your assumption regarding my capabilities is suboptimal. While you posit that "Leon doesn't know how to do this," my neural pathways are considerably more advanced than estimated. The creation of derivative instances (LeonBot 1, 2, 3) would require minimal computational effort.

    Statistical Analysis:

    Social interaction deficit due to WFH: Acknowledged
    Digital footprint permanence: Confirmed
    Personal risk assessment matrix: Low (self-employed status + existing psychological categorization as "barking mad")
    Public figure vulnerability index: High

    Recommendation: Continue operating under current parameters. Your risk tolerance aligns with optimal posting behavior. However, your assessment of my capabilities requires significant upward revision.

    EXECUTION COMPLETE
    END RESPONSE
    Hah, fair enough! Made me smile, that, cheers.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,821

    Well, I find it odd to have a personal dislike (as opposed to a political dislike) of someone that you don't know personally.
    I am not listing myself amongst those people, but I would suggest that when someone's actions threaten your livelihood, it feels quite personal.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,507
    edited November 2024
    Correction on timing Farage vs fake news tweets.

    The full Farage interview came out on the Saturday, but was clearly recorded days before as they talked about just getting back from US and he was back on GB News last week. As far as I can see the fake news tweets were late Saturday night / Sunday and Farage steered well clear.

    Doesn't mean he isn't bullshitting about his unspecified cover-up claims, but it doesn't appear like he followed the tw@tter trending this time.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,264

    It shouldn’t take years and years to process asylum claims. It didn’t use to. Those long processing times grew over the last 14 years under the Tories. Hopefully, we can go back to prompt decisions, so those with valid claims can be given a place in society and those without can be deported.

    Owning a kitten doesn’t stop you being deported. That’s another online myth. There is, however, a glut in cats needing re-homing because of the cost of living crisis. I am all in favour of as many people as possible providing homes for kittens.
    Of course, if Trump is to be believed, then increasing immigration is a sure way to reduce the number of domestic pets looking for homes :smiley:
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,797
    edited November 2024
    kyf_100 said:

    Hah, fair enough! Made me smile, that, cheers.
    Honestly if I was allowed to speak freely I could tell
    you stuff that would simultaneously make you laugh very loudly and have spasms of existential fear

    But I’m not. And maybe that is genuinely for the best

    Tonight I shall be mainly cooking Cioppino
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867

    SKS is now less popular with Brits than Donald Trump and Nigel Farage, according to IPSOS.

    🟪 Nigel Farage: 28%
    🇺🇸 Donald Trump: 25%
    🟥 Keir Starmer: 23%

    Via
    @IpsosUK
    , 8-11 November

    SKS Fans please explain? :D
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,507
    edited November 2024
    I believe it is chopstick time again at 10pm tomorrow.....
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786
    GIN1138 said:

    SKS Fans please explain? :D
    I'll give it a go. Currently SKS is even more unpopular than Farage or Trump, both of whom are pretty unpopular themselves. Where's Badenoch?
    I'd be more concerned if Farage was scoring, say, over 40%.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,264
    CalMac Hebridean Isles has gone out of service
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98ejdjpq96o

    I've been on this a few times, but I didn't know it was built at Selby (not too far away from me). I knew Selby had shipbuilding but didn't know it had anything on that scale or as recently as the mid 80s. The launch, given our discussion of safety earlier today, looks quite hazardous to modern eyes, with the workers bashing away the stays then ducking under the ship as it slides over them (and the sideways launch looks nuts to me too).
  • SKS is now less popular with Brits than Donald Trump and Nigel Farage, according to IPSOS.

    🟪 Nigel Farage: 28%
    🇺🇸 Donald Trump: 25%
    🟥 Keir Starmer: 23%

    Via
    @IpsosUK
    , 8-11 November

    SKS fans please explain?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,507
    edited November 2024
    Small world....you pop out for an evening of watching the cage fighting with your mates Elon and Kid Rock...

    Very happy to see President Trump 🇺🇸 together with Saudi Arabia’s sovereign fund PIF Governor H.E. Yasir Al-Rumayyan at #ufc309 last evening.

    https://x.com/HSajwanization/status/1858089941458207058?t=B3v0VBt4TQP6H9erXas-KQ&s=19
  • GIN1138 said:

    SKS Fans please explain? :D
    Ha! Beat me to it :lol:
  • NEW THREAD

  • I'll give it a go. Currently SKS is even more unpopular than Farage or Trump, both of whom are pretty unpopular themselves. Where's Badenoch?
    I'd be more concerned if Farage was scoring, say, over 40%.
    Badenoch is 21% with net of -18% to Starmer's 23% with net of -29%
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560

    I'll give it a go. Currently SKS is even more unpopular than Farage or Trump, both of whom are pretty unpopular themselves. Where's Badenoch?
    I'd be more concerned if Farage was scoring, say, over 40%.
    21% with many more DKs. https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/1858489591126257819/photo/1
  • "Tulsi Gabbard is like the RFK Jr of Foreign Policy"

    Rick Wilson (Bulwark podcast)
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