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Why don’t old people like dinosaurs? – politicalbetting.com

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edited November 15 in General
Why don’t old people like dinosaurs? – politicalbetting.com

? Who doesn't like dinosaurs? 49% of Britons say they love or like dinosaurs, and while 47% are indifferent, only 3% say they dislike or hate them18-24yr olds: 63% love/like dinosaurs25-49yr olds: 58%50-64yr olds: 46%65+yr olds: 29%Men: 54%Women: 44%… pic.twitter.com/MbSVkDacmR

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  • TazTaz Posts: 14,331
    First
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,077
    edited November 15
    Second.

    They do like dinosaurs - aren't old people all supposed to be Con or Ref?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,377
    My 22 month old son loves 'em, and so do I. Love a steg, to be honest, but soft spot for any dinosaur.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,117
    Is age just a proxy for the level of dinosaur saturated media available over the years, while growing up?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,645
    Jeez. Yet another survey on Trump's cabinet.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,117
    rottenborough said:

    Jeez. Yet another survey on Trump's cabinet.

    Won’t they all not believe in dinosaurs? What’s the US Christian Taliban thing on dino fossils these days - a prank played by the devil?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,331
    Dinosaur, terrible lizard.

    When I was young I collected the Brooke Bond set of tea cards ‘Prehistoric Monsters’ Fascinated me.

    Love a Tanystropheus or an Eryops or a Glyptodon
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,567
    turbotubbs said:

    My 22 month old son loves 'em, and so do I. Love a steg, to be honest, but soft spot for any dinosaur.

    Same, Jurassic Park for the win.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,362
    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    AlsoLei said:

    MaxPB said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    If they'd spoken to one then they'd have been told to make it vegetarian for sure, alcohol definitely doesn't matter though.
    Given this event has been run for many years now, I just presumed there would be a word doc of do's / don'ts for civil servants to follow, and probably what caterers they have used in the past etc. Have previous gathering made a similar faux pas?
    It speaks to what I said, Labour just don't care enough to check. That would never be the case for a Muslim celebration.
    Since this happened in 10 Downing St, this will have been a government event rather than a party one. So why were Labour involved in the catering in the first place?
    Partygate was then not down to the Conservatives? Is that your logic?
    What a ridiculous comparison.

    The Diwali party would have been an authorised function, organised by Downing Street house managers. Now the error is on Labour's watch so it is their problem.

    Partygate was a series of unauthorised piss-ups, granted organised by the most senior manager in Downing Street. The key however is unauthorised. I rest my Case!
    So why was it Johnson's fault?
    Because he was the Prime Minister. A Prime Minister who set the rules and apparently attended some of the parties.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,517
    Trump on 50.15% atm.

    https://www.thetimes.com/world/us-world/article/presidential-election-results-2024-trump-harris-g2vsjqzh7
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,117
    noneoftheabove said:

    They didn't fight off the dinosaurs and then the dragons in the fire pits in their youth just so the spoilt youngsters of today could pfaff about with weird pronouns whilst the oldies get their heating cut off.

    @JackW remembers when the dinosaurs appeared….
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,746
    Further reflection: what sort of maniac favours the Tyrannosaurus? It's like the Harry Potter superfans who favour Slytherin
    Pleased to see brontosaurus still retains a fair bit of popularity, despite having been declared non-existent. I suppose the gap between a dinosaur which lived and died millions of years ago and one which never lived at all is only slight.

    Fun fact: the gap in time between Stegosaurus and Tyrannosaurus is significantly larger than the gap in time between Tyrannosaurus and humans.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,312
    I guess dinosaurs are something you absolutely adore, when younger, but you grow out of them, unless you make a study of them,
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,728
    Isn't it that kids absolutely love dinosaurs and are endlessly fascinated by them as monsters that existed in real life, but that gradually declines as we get older and move away from that and wonder what all the fuss was about?
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 794
    Andy_JS said:

    Trump on 50.15% atm.

    https://www.thetimes.com/world/us-world/article/presidential-election-results-2024-trump-harris-g2vsjqzh7

    I've taken a bit off at 1.07. Be rude not to, but looks like we're quids in :)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,961
    Musk has learned one thing from Trump already...

    @SkyNews

    Musk hints 80-hour-a-week DOGE job for 'high-IQ revolutionaries' will be unpaid

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1857450870012604558
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,302
    MJW said:

    Isn't it that kids absolutely love dinosaurs and are endlessly fascinated by them as monsters that existed in real life, but that gradually declines as we get older and move away from that and wonder what all the fuss was about?

    Yes. And as wet get older we become more interested in mythical beasts like the Unicorn, Pegasus or Phoenix.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,965
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Meat and alcohol served in Downing Street in the celebration of Diwali event

    Downing Street has issued an apology

    I'm really confused by this one. Why the apology?

    Serving beef at a Diwali event would be insensitive, but while some Hindus are dry/vegetarian others are not so having a choice available is entirely fitting with being respectful.

    Unless anyone was forcefed non-beef meat or alcohol, it is upto individual choice whether people consume or not so long as there's vegetarian and non alcoholic options available.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,927
    Given Trump's picks so far, Hawk Tuah girl must be in the running for official spokesperson.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,517
    White dudes for Harris was a real phenomenon it seems.

    "In 2024, Kamala Harris did worse among Black voters than Joe Biden did in 2020. She did worse among female voters. She did much worse among Latino voters. She did much worse among young voters.

    She did manage to outperform Biden among two groups: affluent people and white voters, especially white men. If there is one sentence that captures the surprising results of this election, it is this one from the sociologist Musa al-Gharbi: “Democrats lost because everyone except for whites moved in the direction of Donald Trump this cycle.” Going into this campaign, I did not have that one on my bingo card."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/identity-groups-politics.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,927
    LIV Rugby anybody?

    Finn Russell and Antoine Dupont targeted as players offered double-your-money to join breakaway league
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2024/11/15/dupont-russell-targeted-rugby-breakaway-league-money/
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    LostPassword said:

    MJW said:

    Isn't it that kids absolutely love dinosaurs and are endlessly fascinated by them as monsters that existed in real life, but that gradually declines as we get older and move away from that and wonder what all the fuss was about?

    Yes. And as wet get older we become more interested in mythical beasts like the Unicorn, Pegasus or Phoenix.
    ...aah the brexit unicorn 🦄

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,556
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Given Trump's picks so far, Hawk Tuah girl must be in the running for official spokesperson.

    Making too much bank from her podcast:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_Tuah

    (Genius naming, by the way.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,967
    So no love for Pachycephalosaurus ?

    (My youngest's favourite dinosaur, as a kid.)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,211
    edited November 15
    65+ are the ones who had to sit through Jurassic park with their kids?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,965
    Given how many old people like Farage or Mogg etc I'd have thought that many old people do like dinosaurs.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,967
    edited November 15
    Sean_F said:

    I guess dinosaurs are something you absolutely adore, when younger, but you grow out of them, unless you make a study of them,

    RSPB members demonstrate otherwise.

    So for the oldies, dinophilia is strictly for the birds.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,211
    MattW said:

    Second.

    They do like dinosaurs - aren't old people all supposed to be Con or Ref?

    Whatever gave you the impression that Con or Ref voters like each other?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,965
    StillWaters said:

    65+ are the ones who had to sit through Jurassic park with their kids?

    My parents are both under 65 and took us to watch Jurassic Park when I was a kid.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,211
    Cookie said:

    Further reflection: what sort of maniac favours the Tyrannosaurus? It's like the Harry Potter superfans who favour Slytherin
    Pleased to see brontosaurus still retains a fair bit of popularity, despite having been declared non-existent. I suppose the gap between a dinosaur which lived and died millions of years ago and one which never lived at all is only slight.

    Fun fact: the gap in time between Stegosaurus and Tyrannosaurus is significantly larger than the gap in time between Tyrannosaurus and humans.

    What? The brontosaurus never existed?!

    But its neck was my favourite slide as a kid!

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,377
    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    AlsoLei said:

    MaxPB said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    MaxPB said:

    I'm going to put my religious hat on for a moment and say, yes - the government was right to apologise for serving meat at a Hindu religious event. Not because they served it, but because they would never make the same mistake at a Jewish or Muslim religious event. Hindus are very much seen as second class citizens by Labour and this is actually just further proof that they just don't care enough to do the research properly.

    We don't fit into their precious marginalised voter groups and we don't bitch and moan like victims so I guess we're easy to ignore.

    Sounds like a bit of a bitch/moan.
    Would one necessarily assume that a Hindu function should be vegetarian and teetotal? I know Hindus who are neither.
    If they'd spoken to one then they'd have been told to make it vegetarian for sure, alcohol definitely doesn't matter though.
    Given this event has been run for many years now, I just presumed there would be a word doc of do's / don'ts for civil servants to follow, and probably what caterers they have used in the past etc. Have previous gathering made a similar faux pas?
    It speaks to what I said, Labour just don't care enough to check. That would never be the case for a Muslim celebration.
    Since this happened in 10 Downing St, this will have been a government event rather than a party one. So why were Labour involved in the catering in the first place?
    Partygate was then not down to the Conservatives? Is that your logic?
    What a ridiculous comparison.

    The Diwali party would have been an authorised function, organised by Downing Street house managers. Now the error is on Labour's watch so it is their problem.

    Partygate was a series of unauthorised piss-ups, granted organised by the most senior manager in Downing Street. The key however is unauthorised. I rest my Case!
    So why was it Johnson's fault?
    Because he was the Prime Minister. A Prime Minister who set the rules and apparently attended some of the parties.
    So therefore its Starmer's fault over the Divaligate?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,377
    Sean_F said:

    I guess dinosaurs are something you absolutely adore, when younger, but you grow out of them, unless you make a study of them,

    I refer PB to my current avatar - a ammonite from the Junction Bed (collected near Ilminster).
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,377
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    LIV Rugby anybody?

    Finn Russell and Antoine Dupont targeted as players offered double-your-money to join breakaway league
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2024/11/15/dupont-russell-targeted-rugby-breakaway-league-money/

    Bollocks. Russel has transformed Bath these last couple of seasons.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,965
    edited November 15
    StillWaters said:

    Cookie said:

    Further reflection: what sort of maniac favours the Tyrannosaurus? It's like the Harry Potter superfans who favour Slytherin
    Pleased to see brontosaurus still retains a fair bit of popularity, despite having been declared non-existent. I suppose the gap between a dinosaur which lived and died millions of years ago and one which never lived at all is only slight.

    Fun fact: the gap in time between Stegosaurus and Tyrannosaurus is significantly larger than the gap in time between Tyrannosaurus and humans.

    What? The brontosaurus never existed?!

    But its neck was my favourite slide as a kid!

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-brontosaurus-is-back1/#:~:text=The scientists conclude that three,yahnahpin.

    New evidence suggests it did exist.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,377
    StillWaters said:

    Cookie said:

    Further reflection: what sort of maniac favours the Tyrannosaurus? It's like the Harry Potter superfans who favour Slytherin
    Pleased to see brontosaurus still retains a fair bit of popularity, despite having been declared non-existent. I suppose the gap between a dinosaur which lived and died millions of years ago and one which never lived at all is only slight.

    Fun fact: the gap in time between Stegosaurus and Tyrannosaurus is significantly larger than the gap in time between Tyrannosaurus and humans.

    What? The brontosaurus never existed?!

    But its neck was my favourite slide as a kid!

    Doesn't the loss of the name brontosaurus relate to reclassifying old fossils?*

    *I know they are ALL old, but I'm referring to when they were dug up and named, and possibly others had already named the species.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,965
    turbotubbs said:

    StillWaters said:

    Cookie said:

    Further reflection: what sort of maniac favours the Tyrannosaurus? It's like the Harry Potter superfans who favour Slytherin
    Pleased to see brontosaurus still retains a fair bit of popularity, despite having been declared non-existent. I suppose the gap between a dinosaur which lived and died millions of years ago and one which never lived at all is only slight.

    Fun fact: the gap in time between Stegosaurus and Tyrannosaurus is significantly larger than the gap in time between Tyrannosaurus and humans.

    What? The brontosaurus never existed?!

    But its neck was my favourite slide as a kid!

    Doesn't the loss of the name brontosaurus relate to reclassifying old fossils?*

    *I know they are ALL old, but I'm referring to when they were dug up and named, and possibly others had already named the species.
    Yes it always existed but for some time it wasn't the scientific name and was considered a synonym.

    Synonyms for things are still real and still exist, it's just not the correct scientific name.

    But I think now the idea that brontosaurus are apatosaurus is no longer the scientific belief.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,746
    StillWaters said:

    Cookie said:

    Further reflection: what sort of maniac favours the Tyrannosaurus? It's like the Harry Potter superfans who favour Slytherin
    Pleased to see brontosaurus still retains a fair bit of popularity, despite having been declared non-existent. I suppose the gap between a dinosaur which lived and died millions of years ago and one which never lived at all is only slight.

    Fun fact: the gap in time between Stegosaurus and Tyrannosaurus is significantly larger than the gap in time between Tyrannosaurus and humans.

    What? The brontosaurus never existed?!

    But its neck was my favourite slide as a kid!

    It was basically just an apatosaurus which a bit had been misplaced on.

    At least that's what I thought. But in looking it up, it appears I'm out of date. For over a century, it was thought not to havce existed, but in 2015 it was decided it was different to the apatosaurus after all.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brontosaurus

    https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-10-23
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,395
    Taz said:

    Dinosaur, terrible lizard.

    When I was young I collected the Brooke Bond set of tea cards ‘Prehistoric Monsters’ Fascinated me.

    Love a Tanystropheus or an Eryops or a Glyptodon

    So did I!
    Wish I knew where my book was now.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,961
    The Alex Ferguson owned Spirit Dancer just won in Bahrain

    He also has a runner (Protektorat) at Cheltenham tomorrow which would return 140/1 for the double
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,331
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    LIV Rugby anybody?

    Finn Russell and Antoine Dupont targeted as players offered double-your-money to join breakaway league
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2024/11/15/dupont-russell-targeted-rugby-breakaway-league-money/

    Haven’t we been here before after the 95 World Cup ?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,211
    Cookie said:

    StillWaters said:

    Cookie said:

    Further reflection: what sort of maniac favours the Tyrannosaurus? It's like the Harry Potter superfans who favour Slytherin
    Pleased to see brontosaurus still retains a fair bit of popularity, despite having been declared non-existent. I suppose the gap between a dinosaur which lived and died millions of years ago and one which never lived at all is only slight.

    Fun fact: the gap in time between Stegosaurus and Tyrannosaurus is significantly larger than the gap in time between Tyrannosaurus and humans.

    What? The brontosaurus never existed?!

    But its neck was my favourite slide as a kid!

    It was basically just an apatosaurus which a bit had been misplaced on.

    At least that's what I thought. But in looking it up, it appears I'm out of date. For over a century, it was thought not to havce existed, but in 2015 it was decided it was different to the apatosaurus after all.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brontosaurus

    https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-10-23

    Yay!

    Old fossils of the world unite!
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,331
    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Dinosaur, terrible lizard.

    When I was young I collected the Brooke Bond set of tea cards ‘Prehistoric Monsters’ Fascinated me.

    Love a Tanystropheus or an Eryops or a Glyptodon

    So did I!
    Wish I knew where my book was now.
    Mine are in the loft and I check them regularly.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,090
    That's actually very interesting. It appears that people start off liking dinosaurs and then go off them as they get older. I'm at a loss to explain why that might be. Perhaps the novelty just wears off?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,125
    My daughter has voted T rex in this survey
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,965
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    If you want to see dinosaurs then this is the place to go

    https://tyrrellmuseum.com/

    At Drumheller a few hours north of Calgary in the Canadian badlands. It has two additional great attractions:

    1. It hosts the main collection of the Burgess Shale fossils - perhaps the most important and influential assemblage ever found.
    2. It has the name Tyrrell - which all Bladerunner fans will of course recognise.

    Dinos, Hallucigenia and Replicants. What more could you ask for. :)

    Thanks for the tip! I'll see if I can drop a suggestion to the in-laws that it'd be a great place to take their grandkids next time we visit Alberta.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,517
    maxh said:

    Off topic, but relevant given discussion on immigration earlier today. I can understand a fear of net migration figures in the hundreds of thousands, but what I find worthy of contempt is when this discussion is divorced from any real understanding of why people are migrating. Today's 'The Take's from Al Jazeera discusses the experiences of women in Sudan: https://pca.st/episode/7874d751-b1e2-4a45-888b-7d8f3f60f9fb.

    To summarise, with apologies for the language: women are being raped at such scale by the RSF that suicide statistics are on the rise as women choose to take their own lives rather than fall into the hands of RSF
    fighters. Is it any surprise that people want to migrate away from this?

    Of course a reasonable response is that sexual violence is such an incredibly common historical fact that it is the modern western world that is unusual for its relative safety for women. That may be true, but I find it grossly unjustifiable to argue that this relative safety should be open only to those who happen to be born in the right part of the world.

    This isn't really an argument for migration - I think it is a really poor solution for everyone concerned - but those who simultaneously argue against migration and against development support for places like Sudan are criminals, in my view.

    That's an important point. But I wonder what proportion of the people migrating from Sudan, both legally and illegally, are male, and what proportion female?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,331
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Dinosaur, terrible lizard.

    When I was young I collected the Brooke Bond set of tea cards ‘Prehistoric Monsters’ Fascinated me.

    Love a Tanystropheus or an Eryops or a Glyptodon

    So did I!
    Wish I knew where my book was now.
    Mine are in the loft and I check them regularly.
    You keep dinosaurs in your loft ?
    It’s a large loft.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,965
    kinabalu said:

    That's actually very interesting. It appears that people start off liking dinosaurs and then go off them as they get older. I'm at a loss to explain why that might be. Perhaps the novelty just wears off?

    Alternatively old people never liked them in the first place. Potentially Jurassic Park etc might be a factor.

    Like determining someone's age from whether they like Ewoks or not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAEhhd80SQ
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,463
    Cookie said:

    StillWaters said:

    Cookie said:

    Further reflection: what sort of maniac favours the Tyrannosaurus? It's like the Harry Potter superfans who favour Slytherin
    Pleased to see brontosaurus still retains a fair bit of popularity, despite having been declared non-existent. I suppose the gap between a dinosaur which lived and died millions of years ago and one which never lived at all is only slight.

    Fun fact: the gap in time between Stegosaurus and Tyrannosaurus is significantly larger than the gap in time between Tyrannosaurus and humans.

    What? The brontosaurus never existed?!

    But its neck was my favourite slide as a kid!

    It was basically just an apatosaurus which a bit had been misplaced on.

    At least that's what I thought. But in looking it up, it appears I'm out of date. For over a century, it was thought not to havce existed, but in 2015 it was decided it was different to the apatosaurus after all.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brontosaurus

    https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-10-23
    Is PB ready for the Warm Blooded Dinosaur Debate yet I wonder :)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,799
    Typhoo Tea teeters on the brink of administration
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yr22qq5q8o

    Blimey.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,090
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Given Trump's picks so far, Hawk Tuah girl must be in the running for official spokesperson.

    Incitatus is nailed on for a big role, I'd have thought.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,222
    Cookie said:

    maxh said:

    Off topic, but relevant given discussion on immigration earlier today. I can understand a fear of net migration figures in the hundreds of thousands, but what I find worthy of contempt is when this discussion is divorced from any real understanding of why people are migrating. Today's 'The Take's from Al Jazeera discusses the experiences of women in Sudan: https://pca.st/episode/7874d751-b1e2-4a45-888b-7d8f3f60f9fb.

    To summarise, with apologies for the language: women are being raped at such scale by the RSF that suicide statistics are on the rise as women choose to take their own lives rather than fall into the hands of RSF
    fighters. Is it any surprise that people want to migrate away from this?

    Of course a reasonable response is that sexual violence is such an incredibly common historical fact that it is the modern western world that is unusual for its relative safety for women. That may be true, but I find it grossly unjustifiable to argue that this relative safety should be open only to those who happen to be born in the right part of the world.

    This isn't really an argument for migration - I think it is a really poor solution for everyone concerned - but those who simultaneously argue against migration and against development support for places like Sudan are criminals, in my view.

    Regrettably, however, the experience of Sweden suggests that as well as importing those sheltering from rape they have also been importing a not inconsiderable number of rapists.
    As I said I'm not making a pro-immigration argument. I'm making the argument that we will never reduce the pull of international migration whilst there are parts of the world in the situation Sudan is currently in. Trying to stop migration in
    this context will destroy the ethical basis of our nation states as we take more and more extreme measures to try to stop people arriving here, having escaped from there.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,517
    kinabalu said:

    That's actually very interesting. It appears that people start off liking dinosaurs and then go off them as they get older. I'm at a loss to explain why that might be. Perhaps the novelty just wears off?

    It's one of those questions that would be good to see asked in identical form over decades. I can imagine the release of the first Jurassic Park film in 1993 engaged anyone under (say) 20, as the film made dinosaurs 'cool' again. And the many new films and series in the franchises have probably done the same for new generations since - a friend of my son loved the Lego Jurassic World series.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,345
    Pulpstar said:

    My daughter has voted T rex in this survey

    I'm so sorry to hear you have a MAGA follower in the family.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,345
    Malmesbury said:

    noneoftheabove said:

    They didn't fight off the dinosaurs and then the dragons in the fire pits in their youth just so the spoilt youngsters of today could pfaff about with weird pronouns whilst the oldies get their heating cut off.

    @JackW remembers when the dinosaurs appeared….
    They haven't yet, the confirmation hearings are in January.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,746
    kinabalu said:

    That's actually very interesting. It appears that people start off liking dinosaurs and then go off them as they get older. I'm at a loss to explain why that might be. Perhaps the novelty just wears off?

    On an unrelated note, I'm sure your avatar used to be a 415g can of beans. It's now a 200g can of beans. Is everything ok?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,345
    kinabalu said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Given Trump's picks so far, Hawk Tuah girl must be in the running for official spokesperson.

    Incitatus is nailed on for a big role, I'd have thought.
    Caligula tried him and his mate in a role as official spokesthings. But it didn't work. Nobody could hear them as they were two horse.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,793
    I like dinosaurs that don't eat meat, naturally :lol:
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,395
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    kinabalu said:

    That's actually very interesting. It appears that people start off liking dinosaurs and then go off them as they get older. I'm at a loss to explain why that might be. Perhaps the novelty just wears off?

    Alternatively old people never liked them in the first place. Potentially Jurassic Park etc might be a factor.

    Like determining someone's age from whether they like Ewoks or not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwAEhhd80SQ
    That's possible.
    They were largely considered extremely big, lumbering stupid monsters when I was little.
    We've learned a heck of a lot more about how varied and superbly adapted they were.

    Fave dino fact.
    The T Rex lived closer to the present day than they did to the Stegosaurus.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,090
    Dumbosaurus said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Trump on 50.15% atm.

    https://www.thetimes.com/world/us-world/article/presidential-election-results-2024-trump-harris-g2vsjqzh7

    I've taken a bit off at 1.07. Be rude not to, but looks like we're quids in :)
    Think so. Looks like I'm going to pick up £12.65 to set against my £750 net loss on the rest of it. So, you know, swings and roundabouts.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,780
    Tut, very theropodist. No sea reptiles: and it's not because they're not dinosaurs, because pterosaurs aren't, either.

    I suppose we ought to be grateful that we didn't get any Flintstone family members or Neanderthals listed.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,780
    Cookie said:

    Further reflection: what sort of maniac favours the Tyrannosaurus? It's like the Harry Potter superfans who favour Slytherin
    Pleased to see brontosaurus still retains a fair bit of popularity, despite having been declared non-existent. I suppose the gap between a dinosaur which lived and died millions of years ago and one which never lived at all is only slight.

    Fun fact: the gap in time between Stegosaurus and Tyrannosaurus is significantly larger than the gap in time between Tyrannosaurus and humans.

    T. rex knows what to do with lawyers?

    *that is a neutral observation, based on public understanding of science as mediated by Jurassic Park, and not a personal opinion of mine about that fine and upstanding profession, seeing as I don't want to be kicked off PB*
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,780
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Cookie said:

    StillWaters said:

    Cookie said:

    Further reflection: what sort of maniac favours the Tyrannosaurus? It's like the Harry Potter superfans who favour Slytherin
    Pleased to see brontosaurus still retains a fair bit of popularity, despite having been declared non-existent. I suppose the gap between a dinosaur which lived and died millions of years ago and one which never lived at all is only slight.

    Fun fact: the gap in time between Stegosaurus and Tyrannosaurus is significantly larger than the gap in time between Tyrannosaurus and humans.

    What? The brontosaurus never existed?!

    But its neck was my favourite slide as a kid!

    It was basically just an apatosaurus which a bit had been misplaced on.

    At least that's what I thought. But in looking it up, it appears I'm out of date. For over a century, it was thought not to havce existed, but in 2015 it was decided it was different to the apatosaurus after all.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brontosaurus

    https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-10-23
    Is PB ready for the Warm Blooded Dinosaur Debate yet I wonder :)
    Happy memories of when I was a student ...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,345
    We are all, pace @kjh , overlooking the important question:

    Were they animals or do they count as birds?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,780
    edited November 15
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    If you want to see dinosaurs then this is the place to go

    https://tyrrellmuseum.com/

    At Drumheller a few hours north of Calgary in the Canadian badlands. It has two additional great attractions:

    1. It hosts the main collection of the Burgess Shale fossils - perhaps the most important and influential assemblage ever found.
    2. It has the name Tyrrell - which all Bladerunner fans will of course recognise.

    Dinos, Hallucigenia and Replicants. What more could you ask for. :)

    If it doesn't have to be a dinosaur sensu stricto, there is a very nice new museum at Kimmeridge full of local Jurassic beasties (and they might even have a few dinosaur scraps). Great pub opposite for lunch.

    Had a very pleasant visit there earlier this year and a schlep over to Worth Matravers for the pub (more fossils in it, and not talking about us) and the dinosaur footprints in the NT-preserved quarry near by.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,780
    ydoethur said:

    We are all, pace @kjh , overlooking the important question:

    Were they animals or do they count as birds?

    Only the avian ones.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,025
    edited November 15
    StillWaters said:

    Cookie said:

    Further reflection: what sort of maniac favours the Tyrannosaurus? It's like the Harry Potter superfans who favour Slytherin
    Pleased to see brontosaurus still retains a fair bit of popularity, despite having been declared non-existent. I suppose the gap between a dinosaur which lived and died millions of years ago and one which never lived at all is only slight.

    Fun fact: the gap in time between Stegosaurus and Tyrannosaurus is significantly larger than the gap in time between Tyrannosaurus and humans.

    What? The brontosaurus never existed?!

    But its neck was my favourite slide as a kid!

    Pause

    How old are you???
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,196
    edited November 15
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    That's actually very interesting. It appears that people start off liking dinosaurs and then go off them as they get older. I'm at a loss to explain why that might be. Perhaps the novelty just wears off?

    On an unrelated note, I'm sure your avatar used to be a 415g can of beans. It's now a 200g can of beans. Is everything ok?
    Now that is an amazingly good spot. In fact I'm more than ok - as evidenced by having the drive/energy to search out a slightly sleeker looking tin of beans.
    The new beans are very disappointing. Don't send us into the weekend with this.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,463
    Carnyx said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Cookie said:

    StillWaters said:

    Cookie said:

    Further reflection: what sort of maniac favours the Tyrannosaurus? It's like the Harry Potter superfans who favour Slytherin
    Pleased to see brontosaurus still retains a fair bit of popularity, despite having been declared non-existent. I suppose the gap between a dinosaur which lived and died millions of years ago and one which never lived at all is only slight.

    Fun fact: the gap in time between Stegosaurus and Tyrannosaurus is significantly larger than the gap in time between Tyrannosaurus and humans.

    What? The brontosaurus never existed?!

    But its neck was my favourite slide as a kid!

    It was basically just an apatosaurus which a bit had been misplaced on.

    At least that's what I thought. But in looking it up, it appears I'm out of date. For over a century, it was thought not to havce existed, but in 2015 it was decided it was different to the apatosaurus after all.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brontosaurus

    https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-10-23
    Is PB ready for the Warm Blooded Dinosaur Debate yet I wonder :)
    Happy memories of when I was a student ...
    Me too. I was studying geology in the mid 80s which was only a few years after Desmond's book on rethinking Dinosaurs came out. I did my dissertation on Eldridge and Gould's Punctuated Equilibrium and have been a lifelong fan of Bob Bakker. Even after a liofetime in Geology it is still the one bit of the subject that I find most exciting.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,645

    ‪Jorie Graham‬ ‪@joriegraham.bsky.social‬
    ·
    4h
    Literacy rate in United States:

    •21% of adults are illiterate

    •54% of adults have a literacy level below 6th grade

    • Illiteracy such a serious pb that 130 million adults are now unable to read a simple story to their children.

    •44% of American adults do not read a book in a year

    https://bsky.app/profile/joriegraham.bsky.social
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,533
    Dutch government on brink of collapse following the violence in Amsterdam last week

    https://www.politico.eu/article/crisis-builds-in-dutch-government-after-cabinet-member-resigns/
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,650
    ydoethur said:

    We are all, pace @kjh , overlooking the important question:

    Were they animals or do they count as birds?

    Birds are animals too, shirley?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,746
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    That's actually very interesting. It appears that people start off liking dinosaurs and then go off them as they get older. I'm at a loss to explain why that might be. Perhaps the novelty just wears off?

    On an unrelated note, I'm sure your avatar used to be a 415g can of beans. It's now a 200g can of beans. Is everything ok?
    Now that is an amazingly good spot. In fact I'm more than ok - as evidenced by having the drive/energy to search out a slightly sleeker looking tin of beans.
    Very pleased to hear it!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,463
    Carnyx said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    If you want to see dinosaurs then this is the place to go

    https://tyrrellmuseum.com/

    At Drumheller a few hours north of Calgary in the Canadian badlands. It has two additional great attractions:

    1. It hosts the main collection of the Burgess Shale fossils - perhaps the most important and influential assemblage ever found.
    2. It has the name Tyrrell - which all Bladerunner fans will of course recognise.

    Dinos, Hallucigenia and Replicants. What more could you ask for. :)

    If it doesn't have to be a dinosaur sensu stricto, there is a very nice new museum at Kimmeridge full of local Jurassic beasties (and they might even have a few dinosaur scraps). Great pub opposite for lunch.

    Had a very pleasant visit there earlier this year and a schlep over to Worth Matravers for the pub (more fossils in it, and not talking about us) and the dinosaur footprints in the NT-preserved quarry near by.
    Brilliant, thanks sir. Funnily enough my favourite fossil is a rather obscure Palaeozoic group of beasties called Graptolites. We used to draw them on boulders in mid Wales to confuse our lecturers on field trips. They really do look like someone has drawn them in a lead pencil.

    I was really excited to see that they have now found that, rather than all dying out at the end of the Carboniferous, one branch - Rhabdopleura - which split off in the Cambrian, is still around today.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,780
    Benpointer said:

    Carnyx said:

    Tut, very theropodist. No sea reptiles: and it's not because they're not dinosaurs, because pterosaurs aren't, either.

    I suppose we ought to be grateful that we didn't get any Flintstone family members or Neanderthals listed.

    You should take a look at this excellent documentary:

    image
    Mm, that reminds me of Ringo Starr the Rock Star:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SpA-qiJVbs
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2epvgjoo1Ws

    The full thing has even more Mesozoic mammals and the obligatory fight with at least one dino. (not difficult to find the whole thing on youtube)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,025
    edited November 15
    Andy_JS said:

    White dudes for Harris was a real phenomenon it seems.

    "In 2024, Kamala Harris did worse among Black voters than Joe Biden did in 2020. She did worse among female voters. She did much worse among Latino voters. She did much worse among young voters.

    She did manage to outperform Biden among two groups: affluent people and white voters, especially white men. If there is one sentence that captures the surprising results of this election, it is this one from the sociologist Musa al-Gharbi: “Democrats lost because everyone except for whites moved in the direction of Donald Trump this cycle.” Going into this campaign, I did not have that one on my bingo card."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/identity-groups-politics.html

    Try this

    "The Demographics of Trump's Victory", by KaiserBauch (13 mins)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3BTT_W0OPw
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,463
    Benpointer said:

    ydoethur said:

    We are all, pace @kjh , overlooking the important question:

    Were they animals or do they count as birds?

    Birds are animals too, shirley?
    I was thinking that but was going to let it slide. :)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,780
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Carnyx said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    If you want to see dinosaurs then this is the place to go

    https://tyrrellmuseum.com/

    At Drumheller a few hours north of Calgary in the Canadian badlands. It has two additional great attractions:

    1. It hosts the main collection of the Burgess Shale fossils - perhaps the most important and influential assemblage ever found.
    2. It has the name Tyrrell - which all Bladerunner fans will of course recognise.

    Dinos, Hallucigenia and Replicants. What more could you ask for. :)

    If it doesn't have to be a dinosaur sensu stricto, there is a very nice new museum at Kimmeridge full of local Jurassic beasties (and they might even have a few dinosaur scraps). Great pub opposite for lunch.

    Had a very pleasant visit there earlier this year and a schlep over to Worth Matravers for the pub (more fossils in it, and not talking about us) and the dinosaur footprints in the NT-preserved quarry near by.
    Brilliant, thanks sir. Funnily enough my favourite fossil is a rather obscure Palaeozoic group of beasties called Graptolites. We used to draw them on boulders in mid Wales to confuse our lecturers on field trips. They really do look like someone has drawn them in a lead pencil.

    I was really excited to see that they have now found that, rather than all dying out at the end of the Carboniferous, one branch - Rhabdopleura - which split off in the Cambrian, is still around today.
    Some of my favourite animals in my zoology course! And very important zonal fossils in S Scotland and so on.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,780
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Carnyx said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Cookie said:

    StillWaters said:

    Cookie said:

    Further reflection: what sort of maniac favours the Tyrannosaurus? It's like the Harry Potter superfans who favour Slytherin
    Pleased to see brontosaurus still retains a fair bit of popularity, despite having been declared non-existent. I suppose the gap between a dinosaur which lived and died millions of years ago and one which never lived at all is only slight.

    Fun fact: the gap in time between Stegosaurus and Tyrannosaurus is significantly larger than the gap in time between Tyrannosaurus and humans.

    What? The brontosaurus never existed?!

    But its neck was my favourite slide as a kid!

    It was basically just an apatosaurus which a bit had been misplaced on.

    At least that's what I thought. But in looking it up, it appears I'm out of date. For over a century, it was thought not to havce existed, but in 2015 it was decided it was different to the apatosaurus after all.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brontosaurus

    https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-10-23
    Is PB ready for the Warm Blooded Dinosaur Debate yet I wonder :)
    Happy memories of when I was a student ...
    Me too. I was studying geology in the mid 80s which was only a few years after Desmond's book on rethinking Dinosaurs came out. I did my dissertation on Eldridge and Gould's Punctuated Equilibrium and have been a lifelong fan of Bob Bakker. Even after a liofetime in Geology it is still the one bit of the subject that I find most exciting.
    I read Bakker's original article in Sc ientific American when I was still at school ...
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,196
    Paul's going to beat Tyson isn't he? Anyone disagree?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,090
    JosiasJessop said:

    kinabalu said:

    That's actually very interesting. It appears that people start off liking dinosaurs and then go off them as they get older. I'm at a loss to explain why that might be. Perhaps the novelty just wears off?

    It's one of those questions that would be good to see asked in identical form over decades. I can imagine the release of the first Jurassic Park film in 1993 engaged anyone under (say) 20, as the film made dinosaurs 'cool' again. And the many new films and series in the franchises have probably done the same for new generations since - a friend of my son loved the Lego Jurassic World series.
    It would yes. I fit in with the received wisdom narrative on this one. As a boy I was fascinated by dinosaurs, now I'm not. Most days I don't even give them a thought. And that's all on me. It's me that's changed not them. It's not like they've got any less fascinating.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,288
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Meat and alcohol served in Downing Street in the celebration of Diwali event

    Downing Street has issued an apology

    I'm really confused by this one. Why the apology?

    Serving beef at a Diwali event would be insensitive, but while some Hindus are dry/vegetarian others are not so having a choice available is entirely fitting with being respectful.

    Unless anyone was forcefed non-beef meat or alcohol, it is upto individual choice whether people consume or not so long as there's vegetarian and non alcoholic options available.
    Bunch of woke fannies ruining the country
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    Speaking of things that have disappeared, has anyone heard from Dura_Ace? I don't remember him posting for a while.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,965
    Stocky said:

    Paul's going to beat Tyson isn't he? Anyone disagree?

    I don't know, has he ever fought a real boxer before?

    Even with the handicap of Tyson being retired nearly 2 decades (and past his prime by the time he retired) I'd still expect him to be the better of the two.

    I'd respect a retired Tyson more than Paul.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,650
    Perhaps everything becomes a bit meh when you reach 60. Weird though.

    Have been fossil hunting in the Flatlands with Dean Lomax, dinosaur man (before he was famous). Was good fun.

    Our local museum had a dusty specimen in a drawer that everyone had assumed was a cast but he took a closer look and it turned out to be a new species of ichthyosaur...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31521719


  • LDLFLDLF Posts: 160
    edited November 15
    Younger people would be able to outrun older people, should a Jurassic Park-style dinosaur chase ensue, so the old take a less favourable view of dinosaurs.

    You don't have to run faster than the monster; you just have to run faster than the other person being chased.

    On the same basis, I expect older people also have a less favourable view of Jason Vorhees, Leatherface and Xenomorphs.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,578
    Andy_JS said:

    Trump on 50.15% atm.

    https://www.thetimes.com/world/us-world/article/presidential-election-results-2024-trump-harris-g2vsjqzh7

    0.35% or only 23,000 votes out of nearly 7 million separate the GOP and DEM senators in Pennsylvania. The gap is slowly narrowing. I think the GPO have got it though, making the Senate 53 GOP.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,743
    Malmesbury said:

    rottenborough said:

    Jeez. Yet another survey on Trump's cabinet.

    Won’t they all not believe in dinosaurs? What’s the US Christian Taliban thing on dino fossils these days - a prank played by the devil?
    They wouldn't fit in the ark.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,793
    CatMan said:

    Speaking of things that have disappeared, has anyone heard from Dura_Ace? I don't remember him posting for a while.

    Drafted to the Kursk front?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,288
    maxh said:

    Off topic, but relevant given discussion on immigration earlier today. I can understand a fear of net migration figures in the hundreds of thousands, but what I find worthy of contempt is when this discussion is divorced from any real understanding of why people are migrating. Today's 'The Take's from Al Jazeera discusses the experiences of women in Sudan: https://pca.st/episode/7874d751-b1e2-4a45-888b-7d8f3f60f9fb.

    To summarise, with apologies for the language: women are being raped at such scale by the RSF that suicide statistics are on the rise as women choose to take their own lives rather than fall into the hands of RSF
    fighters. Is it any surprise that people want to migrate away from this?

    Of course a reasonable response is that sexual violence is such an incredibly common historical fact that it is the modern western world that is unusual for its relative safety for women. That may be true, but I find it grossly unjustifiable to argue that this relative safety should be open only to those who happen to be born in the right part of the world.

    This isn't really an argument for migration - I think it is a really poor solution for everyone concerned - but those who simultaneously argue against migration and against development support for places like Sudan are criminals, in my view.

    Time to bomb them back to 2nd century
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