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Just one in sixteen have a favourable opinion on Welby – politicalbetting.com
Just one in sixteen have a favourable opinion on Welby – politicalbetting.com
Pre-scandal data on attitudes to Justin Welby are here: https://t.co/uCoPJC7t5s
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Besides HYUFD and the anachronism of our constitution.
Time to get unelected bishops removed as suggested
Will we ever cease to be an officially religious society? I'm not religious in any way, but I can't see it being a priority unless scandals become commonplace.
It would be an extaordinary irony if such a disreputable MP were to succeed with such a progressive act.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/2949-britain-christian-country
"76% Britons say they are 'not religious', but 56% say Britain is Christian.."
We must also continue to oppose that twerp Williamson and his un Tory failure to back our Bishops in the Lords as hard as we oppose Starmer and his class war attempt to remove the hereditaries from the Lords whatever a Radical Liberal like TSE might think
At the other end: Is the UK a collection of nations formed by Christian faith and culture from roughly 400CE onwards in which Christian self-identification forms the largest coherent group to this day? 100% Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE-sSRrHt_8&t=179s
Whether that's appropriate in this case is a question for another day.
He had a place as Archbishop.
It is common practice to give the retiring Archbishop a life peerage, whether he would get one now is questionable.
With hindsight, despite his rather trenchant views on sensitive subjects Christopher Cocksworth would have been a rather better choice.
A classic problem.
The only way the Bishops get defrocked from the legislature is if we get a REFORM majority government, IMO. And that's not happening.
Sooooo... 🙏
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021
So we are still a plurality even if not a majority Christian nation
He's merely the leader of one sect. As much expect people to remember offhand who the Moderator of the Free Church of Scotland (Continuing) is?
OTOH, like the various Presbyterian Moderators, perhaps people think of him by his position rather than his name. Compare one Charles Philip Arthur George Mountbatten-Windsor, for instance.
It doesn't mean much.
I am a conservative, though not maybe as pure and certainly as right wing as you would like, but the bishops in the HOL is as much an anachronism as the Lord's itself
We need a democratically elected 2nd house
Reform voters aren't that anti Bishops in the Lords either relative to other parties. According to Yougov Green voters are the biggest Bishop bashers, then Labour voters then LDs and only then Reform with Tory voters least wanting to remove the Bishops from the Lords
https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/Internal_HouseofLords_240909.pdf
And let's face it, most of those who answer Christian on a form don't actively participate in religious events.
At some point the constitution can be cleaned up, but I see no harm in letting the importance of religion fade away naturally.
Bit easier if you were in the Jungfolk, but that only gives 4 years more to play with.
We are not formed by either the Christian faith nor Christian culture.
We are formed by European culture which has evolved from the Graeco-Romans onwards predating Christ and with vast jumps in cultural improvement postdating religion too.
Absurd to call a country by what it has a plurality of. This is not a Labour country, even if a plurality voted that way last time.
It's quite interesting to observe...
The View from Daniel Pike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_View_from_Daniel_Pike It's really quite enjoyable, if you enjoy that period and the quite radical shifting in values that were going on. I could accidentally make it available to interested parties as I'm quite clumsy like that.
We are a mix of a lot of things, really.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00fl11v
I don't. I know next to nowt about the man or his doings.
Not my team even when I was nominally a Christian.
Just a hunch.
I don't go the whole hog of thinking that defines almost all aspects our present day culture and mores, even ones as a reaction against Christian cultures, as in effect because of them, but I think we can discuss it a bit too easily as well.
I've called the country culturally christian, in historical terms, without being a christian myself. Depends what one means by it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/extra/series-1/vicar_lion.shtml
Progress happened in the Graeco Roman era and from the Enlightenment onwards. The millenia plus between the fall of the Roman Empire and the fall of the Roman Empire may have been dominated by religion but not much progress occurred then.
You asked a very valid polite question about gender on the previous thread.
Can I suggest that you wait until the outcome of the FWS appeal to the Supreme Court later this month because that judgment, whatever it is, will set out what the law currently means and may or may not solve the issues or make them worse.
There is plenty of detailed legal analysis of the legal issues the court will have to determine, much of it quite dry and complex. The proper approach to statutory interpretation is not exactly a topic to set the pulse racing. If you want links to that analysis and indeed the published legal arguments by some of the parties let me know.
I also think it unwise to rely on US statistics about child gender surgery for what is happening here because the approach there is very different to the approach taken here and the statistics and medical information / approach need to be carefully analysed. The Cass Report is probably the best starting point for anyone interested in the U.K. position. There is also a recent Family Court decision which is illuminating in this regard.
The position in relation to women's rights is best approached by reading the now significant number of judgments by Employment Tribunals on cases brought by women. Again the judgments are long and often very technical but well worth reading if you want to understand the legal issues and why so many women have been winning such cases.
The interesting question is why, pace the CoE, so many institutions are making the same mistakes and not learning any lessons.
As to which see about a million previous posts from me ...... 😀
She accepts me that I am a good Muslim because I follow a halal diet and do not drink the devil's buttermilk.
I don't pray five times a day, I am averaging praying twice a year.
I suppose if you ignore my gambling and constant whoring I am a good Muslim.
Not sure what Ikey Newton was.
He had a great intellect though and a traditional conservative approach to theology which left liberals obviously despised
But the progress in our society in recent centuries happened post Reformation. Which reverted back to building upon pre Dark Ages ideas.
But as for culture, philosophy, science, technology etc?
Pre Dark Ages and post Enlightenment is where the real strides were made.
Yes I picked on 400 'roughly' to take in life before Patrick. I should have pointed out that there was a Bishop in York in 314, nearly 300 years before there was an ABofC.
But utterly insignificant compared to post enlightenment and Graeco Roman contributions.
We are an enlightened country far more than a Christian one.