Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
I was bed shopping today and found some with in-built TVs and snacking tables.
It's over folks. The NHS cannot defeat this kind of indolence.
Good test of policing over Mike Amesbury. Has to be arrested on Monday morning. Can't believe he still hasn't been suspended by Labour. Truly shocking stuff. Stiff sentence has to follow.
Not impressed. It was very Reformy looking behaviour.
Yes, he looks thuggish.
what set him off though, need both sides to be able to comment
Not sure there is much defence for hitting a man with his hands in his pockets who is looking the other way, then following it up with another couple of hits for good measure while he is on the ground defenceless. He is very lucky that he isn't looking at a murder charge.
Certainly not if that was the case, I have not seen much about it so had no idea what went on.
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Trump held a rally and gave a long speech entirely about the false claim that the Democrats had stolen the election with the connivance of weak Republicans and listed multiple bogus instances of vote suppression. He used the word "peaceful" once in the middle of the speech and the word "fight" twenty times. "Fight like hell" He then packed them off down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol where they fought like hell.
His intent was a violent prevention of due process. And the violence happened. Fortunately one Republican, his VP, wasn't as weak as he thought.
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
If your asthma is badly controlled though, good idea to get a review appointment
I cant buy one online was my first port of call as done it before but they need you to be registered with a gp and I am currently not having moved and havent had time to do it. I use about 1 inhaler a year
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Good test of policing over Mike Amesbury. Has to be arrested on Monday morning. Can't believe he still hasn't been suspended by Labour. Truly shocking stuff. Stiff sentence has to follow.
Not impressed. It was very Reformy looking behaviour.
Are you able to list the number of MPs jailed by party since 2000? We can then run through what party seems to attract the most criminals.
20% of Reform MPs have served time, for assault on a girlfriend.
I doubt it makes much difference as only elite liberals on the coasts tend to read the New York Times, not voters in swing states.
Not sure his tariffs plan has much in common with Cleveland. Cleveland was anti tariff, it was Harrison and the Republicans who were pro tariffs.
Trump would want to emulate Cleveland in one way though, Cleveland is the only US President to lose his re election attempt at the end of his first term and come back and win a second term. Cleveland beat James Blaine to be elected President in 1888 but lost to Benjamin Harrison in 1888 before coming back to beat Harrison in 1892
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
“Asylum seekers and their descendants”
It’s like there is a complete collective memory hole of the event that preceded the riots a few months ago.
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
It's so incredibly stupid, isn't it? As a fellow Asthmatic I know exactly what you're going through, the NHS treats inhalers like they contain Fentanyl. And don't get me started on these new 'eco friendly' inhalers that barely work and are going to put people in hospital, costing yet more money.
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Trump held a rally and gave a long speech entirely about the false claim that the Democrats had stolen the election with the connivance of weak Republicans and listed multiple bogus instances of vote suppression. He used the word "peaceful" once in the middle of the speech and the word "fight" twenty times. "Fight like hell" He then packed them off down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol where they fought like hell.
His intent was a violent prevention of due process. And the violence happened. Fortunately one Republican, his VP, wasn't as weak as he thought.
Here's a challenge for PBers. Complete the following sentence without mentioning Donald Trump.
Kamela Harris will make a great President because...
Great is too much but there's plenty of evidence for good. Smart, articulate, robust, fair minded, empathetic, sense of public service, respect for democracy and the constitution.
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
That's the paradox of American politics. Extremist Trump is in many ways the moderate face of the Republican Party. Some fear Trump will win but soon be replaced by Vance and Project 2025. Others hope that they in turn are just a bizarre cult hiding the GOP's traditional aim of giving billions to billionaires.
Ideologically Trump is more socially liberal, less neoconservative and not as small state as some Republicans yes but he has much less respect for the constitution and rule of law than even most hardline conservatives do
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
It’s Sunday evening roast cooking time so the music is on. And it’s Pearl Jam’s prescient lament for the end of moderate centrist politics in Porch: “there ain’t gonna be any middle any more”.
One of the best rhythmic, syncopated lines of text in the rock genre. Contrast with the sometimes terrible syllabic scanning you get from the opposite end of the spectrum, the Manic Street Preachers, which spoils several otherwise good songs.
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
It's so incredibly stupid, isn't it? As a fellow Asthmatic I know exactly what you're going through, the NHS treats inhalers like they contain Fentanyl. And don't get me started on these new 'eco friendly' inhalers that barely work and are going to put people in hospital, costing yet more money.
I don't need it often, as i said it will last me a year but when I need it I really need it. Its not like its addictive or something with a black market value I don't understand why they just won't say hey here is an emergency prescription....I will reluctantly register with a gp when they open then so can can get represcriptions
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
Writing as an asthmatic of 80 years standing, and a pharmacist, albeit now retired, why not go to a pharmacy, explain the circumstances and buy one. Of course, you could do what I do and ALWAYS have a spare!
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
“Asylum seekers and their descendants”
It’s like there is a complete collective memory hole of the event that preceded the riots a few months ago.
Good test of policing over Mike Amesbury. Has to be arrested on Monday morning. Can't believe he still hasn't been suspended by Labour. Truly shocking stuff. Stiff sentence has to follow.
Good test of policing over Mike Amesbury. Has to be arrested on Monday morning. Can't believe he still hasn't been suspended by Labour. Truly shocking stuff. Stiff sentence has to follow.
Not impressed. It was very Reformy looking behaviour.
Are you able to list the number of MPs jailed by party since 2000? We can then run through what party seems to attract the most criminals.
They don't have a lock on it but a lot of Reform operatives are pretty nasty. When Nige talks about "professionalising" the party that is a large part of what he means - getting rid of such people.
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
Good test of policing over Mike Amesbury. Has to be arrested on Monday morning. Can't believe he still hasn't been suspended by Labour. Truly shocking stuff. Stiff sentence has to follow.
Not impressed. It was very Reformy looking behaviour.
Are you able to list the number of MPs jailed by party since 2000? We can then run through what party seems to attract the most criminals.
20% of Reform MPs have served time, for assault on a girlfriend.
That's nothing! 46% of MPs elected at the Indian election this year have some kind of criminal proceedings against them.
I think he has it in the bag. It felt very different in 2020.
The polls seem to be suggesting a pretty good day for down ballot Democrats though. That’s pretty important for US democracy and the preservation thereof against something like we saw yesterday in Georgia.
They need a good showing in the House and Senate, and control of as many state governments as possible.
They won't get either, if Trump wins the GOP almost certainly will win Congress as if anything polling suggests some Independents are split ticketing and voting Harris for President but GOP for Congress
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
And who would disagree that the person should be doing time?
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
And who would disagree that the person should be doing time?
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
Writing as an asthmatic of 80 years standing, and a pharmacist, albeit now retired, why not go to a pharmacy, explain the circumstances and buy one. Of course, you could do what I do and ALWAYS have a spare!
I tried that they said they cant sell me one....told me to ring nhs 111 to send them an emergency prescription spent two days now going in circles where they tell me they can't do it unless I goto the walk in centre which I cant get to as I have no car
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
And who would disagree that the person should be doing time?
It wasn't just a person, it was a group.
You misunderstand, or intentionally misunderstand. Anyone who commits acts of violence, on people or property should be going to jail. People saying mean things and gesticulating at the police much less so.
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
And who would disagree that the person should be doing time?
It wasn't just a person, it was a group.
You misunderstand, or intentionally misunderstand. Anyone who commits acts of violence, on people or property should be going to jail. People saying mean things and gesticulating at the police much less so.
Here's a challenge for PBers. Complete the following sentence without mentioning Donald Trump.
Kamela Harris will make a great President because...
She is worse than every single predecessor who has won the nomination to be a presidential candidate, with the exception of the person she is standing against.
And there's the problem. If the Dems continue to polling day with their only message being "Trump is an unstable fascist" or variants of, then they will lose. They need to find some sort of positive message too.
The Dems have a plenty positive message. Trump has a deeply cynical negative one. If Trump wins it won't be due to a lack of positivity from the Dems.
Could you tell me what the positive message is please.
Vice President Harris and Governor Walz are fighting for a New Way Forward that protects our fundamental freedoms, strengthens our democracy, and ensures every person has the opportunity to not just get by, but to get ahead. As a prosecutor, Attorney General, Senator, and now Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris always stood up for the people against predators, scammers, and powerful interests. She promises to be a president for all Americans, a president who unites us around our highest aspirations, and a president who always fights for the American people. From the courthouse to the White House, that has been her life’s work.
Good test of policing over Mike Amesbury. Has to be arrested on Monday morning. Can't believe he still hasn't been suspended by Labour. Truly shocking stuff. Stiff sentence has to follow.
Not impressed. It was very Reformy looking behaviour.
Are you able to list the number of MPs jailed by party since 2000? We can then run through what party seems to attract the most criminals.
20% of Reform MPs have served time, for assault on a girlfriend.
To be fair to him he has served his time many years ago, he was elected and as long as he does no further offence while in office requiring jail time then he can continue to serve
Good test of policing over Mike Amesbury. Has to be arrested on Monday morning. Can't believe he still hasn't been suspended by Labour. Truly shocking stuff. Stiff sentence has to follow.
Not impressed. It was very Reformy looking behaviour.
Are you able to list the number of MPs jailed by party since 2000? We can then run through what party seems to attract the most criminals.
20% of Reform MPs have served time, for assault on a girlfriend.
That's nothing! 46% of MPs elected at the Indian election this year have some kind of criminal proceedings against them.
The man with at least a 50% chance of being elected the most powerful man in the world again is also a convicted felon
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Not for want of trying - Trump tried to overturn an election, tried to get a foreign government to smear his opponent in exchange for military aid, witheld contracts from businessmen deemed unsupportive. We could go on. But that's corrupt tinpot authoritarianism itself.
There were, by and large, two saving graces. Firstly Trump was personally inept. Secondly, a significant amount of those around him were old school Republicans who sought to manage him. There are endless reports of Trump suggesting something crackers or dangerous only to have to be told it was impossible or illegal. SCOTUS has made the latter fairly moot now. And who's going to stand up and say "no we can't do that" to him?
I mean a lot of the tinpot authoritarianism is coming from the mouths of Trump and his team. One hell of a gamble to go "nah, they don't actually mean what they say".
Invading Iraq, extraordinary renditions, etc. That's sensible old-school politics. Thankfully Dick Cheney is backing Harris so there's a chance we'll see more of that instead of anything crackers or dangerous.
Trump didn't order the Bay of Pigs either. Don't forget that.
‘Our guy just calls women fat pigs, he’s a good guy!’
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
But, he was looking at his assailant in a funny way. And, he possessed an offensive wife.
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
And who would disagree that the person should be doing time?
It wasn't just a person, it was a group.
You misunderstand, or intentionally misunderstand. Anyone who commits acts of violence, on people or property should be going to jail. People saying mean things and gesticulating at the police much less so.
If it’s the video from Manchester? The black youth provoked the encounter, it was a fight between several dickheads, from what I could see there was very little evidence either side was provoked other than one of them was black. Seems more a case of gbh/abh. Was there a racial addition to the actual sentencing because it certainly looked like six of one 1/2 a dozen of the other.
A new pub is opening in my corner of suburban north London.
It does not accept cash.
Aren’t they legally obliged to do so?
Nope. You can accept or reject any form of payment.
If you can 'accept or reject any form of payment', then on that basis the customer is equally entitled to decide the conditions. S/he after all is doing the paying.
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
But, he was looking at his assailant in a funny way. And, he possessed an offensive wife.
I’ve jsut watched a video in which a youth picked up a flare, threw into a crowd, egged them on, a few of the males in the crowd climbed over the fence, and a fight (mostly one on one, but it escalated), police tried to stop, the youth who threw the flare then chased down the lad who hit him and had to be pulled off by the police.
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
And who would disagree that the person should be doing time?
It wasn't just a person, it was a group.
You misunderstand, or intentionally misunderstand. Anyone who commits acts of violence, on people or property should be going to jail. People saying mean things and gesticulating at the police much less so.
If it’s the video from Manchester? The black youth provoked the encounter, it was a fight between several dickheads, from what I could see there was very little evidence either side was provoked other than one of them was black. Seems more a case of gbh/abh. Was there a racial addition to the actual sentencing because it certainly looked like six of one 1/2 a dozen of the other.
Saying something mean to anyone of any colour or creed or sexuality, if responded to with violence should be verboten....sticks and stones etc
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
Writing as an asthmatic of 80 years standing, and a pharmacist, albeit now retired, why not go to a pharmacy, explain the circumstances and buy one. Of course, you could do what I do and ALWAYS have a spare!
Good test of policing over Mike Amesbury. Has to be arrested on Monday morning. Can't believe he still hasn't been suspended by Labour. Truly shocking stuff. Stiff sentence has to follow.
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
And who would disagree that the person should be doing time?
It wasn't just a person, it was a group.
You misunderstand, or intentionally misunderstand. Anyone who commits acts of violence, on people or property should be going to jail. People saying mean things and gesticulating at the police much less so.
Oh you're one of them.
Someone who thinks there needs to be a very high bar for saying things for them to result in a custodial sentence. I’m sure we all used to be one of those a few years ago. I’m not an absolutist, by any measure, but neither am I keen on mean things sending people to prison.
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Trump held a rally and gave a long speech entirely about the false claim that the Democrats had stolen the election with the connivance of weak Republicans and listed multiple bogus instances of vote suppression. He used the word "peaceful" once in the middle of the speech and the word "fight" twenty times. "Fight like hell" He then packed them off down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol where they fought like hell.
His intent was a violent prevention of due process. And the violence happened. Fortunately one Republican, his VP, wasn't as weak as he thought.
So now when someone uses the term fight in politics it can only mean a physical altercation?
If it's Trump in this context, yes. Context is all.
You say it's absurd and preposterous that Trump should be held responsible for the consequences of his incitement. If it had been a peaceful protest you might have a point. But as they did what he told them to, on a reasonable understanding, you really don't.
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
Writing as an asthmatic of 80 years standing, and a pharmacist, albeit now retired, why not go to a pharmacy, explain the circumstances and buy one. Of course, you could do what I do and ALWAYS have a spare!
I tried that they said they cant sell me one....told me to ring nhs 111 to send them an emergency prescription spent two days now going in circles where they tell me they can't do it unless I goto the walk in centre which I cant get to as I have no car
You aren't registered with a GP, so where have your previous prescriptions come from?
Pharmacists will dispense in anticipation of a repeat prescription if you regularly fill prescriptions with them. If not then they cannot provide Prescription Only Medicines.
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
Writing as an asthmatic of 80 years standing, and a pharmacist, albeit now retired, why not go to a pharmacy, explain the circumstances and buy one. Of course, you could do what I do and ALWAYS have a spare!
I tried that they said they cant sell me one....told me to ring nhs 111 to send them an emergency prescription spent two days now going in circles where they tell me they can't do it unless I goto the walk in centre which I cant get to as I have no car
You aren't registered with a GP, so where have your previous prescriptions come from?
Pharmacists will dispense in anticipation of a repeat prescription if you regularly fill prescriptions with them. If not then they cannot provide Prescription Only Medicines.
Err because I was registered with a gp before I moved to devon two years ago which last filled the prescription and yes the inhaler I lost was probably out of date
The 'up to' will carry a lot of heavy lifting in that piccie. 'Up to' five years for violent disorder; in his case, a curry in Durham and the person who was assaulted life in jail. For having his hands in his pockets in a menacing manner...
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
And who would disagree that the person should be doing time?
It wasn't just a person, it was a group.
You misunderstand, or intentionally misunderstand. Anyone who commits acts of violence, on people or property should be going to jail. People saying mean things and gesticulating at the police much less so.
If it’s the video from Manchester? The black youth provoked the encounter, it was a fight between several dickheads, from what I could see there was very little evidence either side was provoked other than one of them was black. Seems more a case of gbh/abh. Was there a racial addition to the actual sentencing because it certainly looked like six of one 1/2 a dozen of the other.
Saying something mean to anyone of any colour or creed or sexuality, if responded to with violence should be verboten....sticks and stones etc
I think he has it in the bag. It felt very different in 2020.
The polls seem to be suggesting a pretty good day for down ballot Democrats though. That’s pretty important for US democracy and the preservation thereof against something like we saw yesterday in Georgia.
They need a good showing in the House and Senate, and control of as many state governments as possible.
They won't get either, if Trump wins the GOP almost certainly will win Congress as if anything polling suggests some Independents are split ticketing and voting Harris for President but GOP for Congress
Republicans did win the popular vote for the House election in 2022 by 2.7%, which translated into only a nine seat majority. So it's certainly possible, even if not terribly likely, that Democrats lose the Presidency narrowly while winning the House (given they could quite easily lose the Presidency with more votes nationally than Trump).
Senate looks much less likely - hard to see a realistic situation where Democrats cling onto the Senate whilst losing the Presidency (noting that would also involve losing the VP's casting vote).
Labour MP Mike Amesbury has been suspended from the party and has had the whip withdrawn, after CCTV footage emerged appearing to show him punching a man to the ground.
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
Writing as an asthmatic of 80 years standing, and a pharmacist, albeit now retired, why not go to a pharmacy, explain the circumstances and buy one. Of course, you could do what I do and ALWAYS have a spare!
I tried that they said they cant sell me one....told me to ring nhs 111 to send them an emergency prescription spent two days now going in circles where they tell me they can't do it unless I goto the walk in centre which I cant get to as I have no car
You aren't registered with a GP, so where have your previous prescriptions come from?
Pharmacists will dispense in anticipation of a repeat prescription if you regularly fill prescriptions with them. If not then they cannot provide Prescription Only Medicines.
Err because I was registered with a gp before I moved to devon two years ago which last filled the prescription and yes the inhaler I lost was probably out of date
In that case you should still be registered with your previous GP, who should be able to access their records and issue a repeat.
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
And who would disagree that the person should be doing time?
It wasn't just a person, it was a group.
You misunderstand, or intentionally misunderstand. Anyone who commits acts of violence, on people or property should be going to jail. People saying mean things and gesticulating at the police much less so.
If it’s the video from Manchester? The black youth provoked the encounter, it was a fight between several dickheads, from what I could see there was very little evidence either side was provoked other than one of them was black. Seems more a case of gbh/abh. Was there a racial addition to the actual sentencing because it certainly looked like six of one 1/2 a dozen of the other.
Saying something mean to anyone of any colour or creed or sexuality, if responded to with violence should be verboten....sticks and stones etc
I love this because there's a scenario out there in which Big Village is 2028's AtlasIntel... "the MOST ACCURATE pollster of 2024 says", "the only pollster to CORRECTLY PREDICT the Harris landslide"
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
There's an ongoing problem with inhaler prescriptions for some reason. My daughter us having serous problems getting a replacement in reasonable time, as one runs out.
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
Writing as an asthmatic of 80 years standing, and a pharmacist, albeit now retired, why not go to a pharmacy, explain the circumstances and buy one. Of course, you could do what I do and ALWAYS have a spare!
I tried that they said they cant sell me one....told me to ring nhs 111 to send them an emergency prescription spent two days now going in circles where they tell me they can't do it unless I goto the walk in centre which I cant get to as I have no car
You aren't registered with a GP, so where have your previous prescriptions come from?
Pharmacists will dispense in anticipation of a repeat prescription if you regularly fill prescriptions with them. If not then they cannot provide Prescription Only Medicines.
Err because I was registered with a gp before I moved to devon two years ago which last filled the prescription and yes the inhaler I lost was probably out of date
In that case you should still be registered with your previous GP, who should be able to access their records and issue a repeat.
I doubt that I a told them I wasn't on their books anymore as they were useless
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
Writing as an asthmatic of 80 years standing, and a pharmacist, albeit now retired, why not go to a pharmacy, explain the circumstances and buy one. Of course, you could do what I do and ALWAYS have a spare!
I tried that they said they cant sell me one....told me to ring nhs 111 to send them an emergency prescription spent two days now going in circles where they tell me they can't do it unless I goto the walk in centre which I cant get to as I have no car
You aren't registered with a GP, so where have your previous prescriptions come from?
Pharmacists will dispense in anticipation of a repeat prescription if you regularly fill prescriptions with them. If not then they cannot provide Prescription Only Medicines.
Err because I was registered with a gp before I moved to devon two years ago which last filled the prescription and yes the inhaler I lost was probably out of date
In that case you should still be registered with your previous GP, who should be able to access their records and issue a repeat.
I doubt that I a told them I wasn't on their books anymore as they were useless
Should also add I don't want to register at my local gp's as they are even worse
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
And who would disagree that the person should be doing time?
It wasn't just a person, it was a group.
You misunderstand, or intentionally misunderstand. Anyone who commits acts of violence, on people or property should be going to jail. People saying mean things and gesticulating at the police much less so.
If it’s the video from Manchester? The black youth provoked the encounter, it was a fight between several dickheads, from what I could see there was very little evidence either side was provoked other than one of them was black. Seems more a case of gbh/abh. Was there a racial addition to the actual sentencing because it certainly looked like six of one 1/2 a dozen of the other.
Saying something mean to anyone of any colour or creed or sexuality, if responded to with violence should be verboten....sticks and stones etc
It’s hard to see how everyone involved in this situation, minus the police, are not dickheads of the highest order.
Actually its not hard to see, the black guy was provactive in words only....meet him with words fine...meet him with fists and boots fuck off
He threw the flare into the crowd (not excusing their behavior) they need to be locked up for fighting, he isn’t getting away Scot free from some kind of public order stuff. It wasn’t quite what TSE described though. I stand by what I said, if you commit acts of violence against people or property you should be going to jail. If you say mean things, you should not. If you say things that result in someone else (or you expect it to) committing acts of violence against people or property then prosecution and possibly, depending on the circumstances a custodial might be in order.
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
And who would disagree that the person should be doing time?
It wasn't just a person, it was a group.
You misunderstand, or intentionally misunderstand. Anyone who commits acts of violence, on people or property should be going to jail. People saying mean things and gesticulating at the police much less so.
If it’s the video from Manchester? The black youth provoked the encounter, it was a fight between several dickheads, from what I could see there was very little evidence either side was provoked other than one of them was black. Seems more a case of gbh/abh. Was there a racial addition to the actual sentencing because it certainly looked like six of one 1/2 a dozen of the other.
Saying something mean to anyone of any colour or creed or sexuality, if responded to with violence should be verboten....sticks and stones etc
It’s hard to see how everyone involved in this situation, minus the police, are not dickheads of the highest order.
A clear case of two-tier policing. The black man speaking his mind is NOT arrested, while the group of white men who physically assault him, in what starts to look like a lynching, ARE arrested.
Labour MP Mike Amesbury has been suspended from the party and has had the whip withdrawn, after CCTV footage emerged appearing to show him punching a man to the ground.
This will be a fascinating by-election, assuming there’s a recall petition.
If this was a shire Tory the Lib Dems would be the obvious challengers. If it were a Labour-Con marginal it would be the Tories. But this one potentially puts Reform in poll position to be the challenger.
Up to now they’ve not shown any real signs of being good at parliamentary by-elections. But it’s early in the parliament and the Conservatives remain licking their wounds from July. I think the result will tell us a lot about how meaningful the Reform (and SPLORG) threat is.
Here's a challenge for PBers. Complete the following sentence without mentioning Donald Trump.
Kamela Harris will make a great President because...
She is worse than every single predecessor who has won the nomination to be a presidential candidate, with the exception of the person she is standing against.
And there's the problem. If the Dems continue to polling day with their only message being "Trump is an unstable fascist" or variants of, then they will lose. They need to find some sort of positive message too.
The Dems have a plenty positive message. Trump has a deeply cynical negative one. If Trump wins it won't be due to a lack of positivity from the Dems.
Could you tell me what the positive message is please.
Economic stability, growth, inflation under control, women's rights, maintenance of long standing alliances, revival of US manufacturing, rebuilding of decrepit infrastructure, and a fair contribution from the richest in society.
That's the thing about the second video. A 'defensive' punch because of something said, or a perceived threat, would just be a punch. He goes in for more after the victim is on the ground, throwing more punches.
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
There's an ongoing problem with inhaler prescriptions for some reason. My daughter us having serous problems getting a replacement in reasonable time, as one runs out.
I used to reorder online but apparently they wont do that now unless I am registered with a gp and generally got them next day. Frankly I don't want to register with a gp because they are a waste of space and I object to them getting money for me being on their books when if I am ill they won't actually see me
The excuse of "I felt threatened" is going to be seriously tested....after you sucker punch them and then continue to beat them on the ground.
I have been very sympathetic of politicians of all stripes who has been attacked by members of the public in the past, individuals who do that should have the book through at them. But the new CCTV footage looks extremely bad for the MP.
Though again I doubt it's the full story. There's a lot of contrext missing to what happened immediately prior to the video. I do agree it seems odd for MIke Amesbury to have acted as he has but the Police will doubtless carry out an investigation and I suspect more will come out about the background to this in due time.
I think we should probably leave this one to the police, and perhaps the courts at this point. It doesn't look to be something which will be swept under the carpet ?
Antiques Roadshow at 8pm. I like to warm the telly up for a good 15 minutes ahead of time. Get the valves set.
It doesn’t seem particularly tetchy this evening to me. Sure we have one poster talking about “Asylum seekers and their descendants” but otherwise it’s pretty gentlemanly (the appropriate term given the near-100% male makeup of PB).
Here is an example of nhs waste for you. Two days now since I lost my ventolin inhaler and cant get a prescription.....fighting with national health 111 all I am asking for is give me an emergency prescription in case I have an attack....they keep insisting despite having been prescribed it for 40 odd years I have to goto a walk in centre I can't actually get to rather than just issuing the prescription to get me through...if I have an asthma attack tonight the nhs will have to raise an ambulance.....get me in ed....give me oxygen etc...its not like its a dangerous or addictive drug
So an asthma attack will cost the a couple of thousand rather than just issuing the fucking prescription
There's an ongoing problem with inhaler prescriptions for some reason. My daughter us having serous problems getting a replacement in reasonable time, as one runs out.
I used to reorder online but apparently they wont do that now unless I am registered with a gp and generally got them next day. Frankly I don't want to register with a gp because they are a waste of space and I object to them getting money for me being on their books when if I am ill they won't actually see me
My daughter is registered, but still having problems. There seems to be some sort of unofficial rationing going on.
The tactic of calling him weird has failed so they're back to calling him scary. It will fail too.
He is both deeply weird and scary too if you don't want America to go down the route of tinpot, corrupt, authoritariansm.
Did any of those things happen between 2016 and 2020? Not really.
Trump did try to overthrow the election via slates of fake electors, though.
He did actually try to subvert democracy. Nothing else really matters, as I see it.
How much of the American conversation has touched on the January 6 question?
From several thousand miles away, it's clear that it's not as simple as that. But in the good timeline, it would be that simple, wouldn't it?
January the 6th is absurd to blame on Trump, outside of sore loser. The other stuff about trying to pressure electors etc. but the Jan 6th is preposterous, truly preposterous. He called on a a rally, claimed he had been cheated, and told the crowd the march peacefully. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
There is no getting away of his intent, which was a peaceful display of defiance.
Indeed, and his heroic defiance of the mob on the steps of the Capitol, where with soaring oratory he espoused the virtues of the US Constitution and of democracy itself, was perhaps the most inspiring moment in American history since Gettysburg.
His selfless campaigning of behalf of the injured police officers, often unreported, shows his commitment to peace and the rule of law. Not since Carter have we seen such a successful post-Presidency.
This has had a profound effect on the Right across the English-speaking world, with recent demonstrations in England noted for their peaceful nature and their perseverance through "two-tier" policing.
I think the riots in the uk were more to do with a disturbing tendency for asylum seekers and their descendants to get a bit stabby with the natives, and the news of regular murders and attempted murders to become afterthoughts in the news cycle.
Riots?! These are political prisoners! Peaceful activists!
To be fair it was barely a riot. But the events in sunderland and at the hostel (much more so the latter) were very serious and needed to be dealt with in the hardest ways possible. The rest, a big fat meh, if the skin colour had been different it would have been dismissed as “community anger” and nfa. It was silly for so many to take the guilty plea, a one near me called the bluff and the CPS dropped the charges at court, in which the judge gave the entirely innocent individual who refused to bow to pressure a dressing down telling him he had being lucky.
Fuck off you utter [moderated]
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
And who would disagree that the person should be doing time?
It wasn't just a person, it was a group.
You misunderstand, or intentionally misunderstand. Anyone who commits acts of violence, on people or property should be going to jail. People saying mean things and gesticulating at the police much less so.
If it’s the video from Manchester? The black youth provoked the encounter, it was a fight between several dickheads, from what I could see there was very little evidence either side was provoked other than one of them was black. Seems more a case of gbh/abh. Was there a racial addition to the actual sentencing because it certainly looked like six of one 1/2 a dozen of the other.
Saying something mean to anyone of any colour or creed or sexuality, if responded to with violence should be verboten....sticks and stones etc
It’s hard to see how everyone involved in this situation, minus the police, are not dickheads of the highest order.
A clear case of two-tier policing. The black man speaking his mind is NOT arrested, while the group of white men who physically assault him, in what starts to look like a lynching, ARE arrested.
What is this country coming to?!?!?!?!?!
I see what you did there. Grotesquely misrepresent what happened and my position on it. An absurd bad faith interpretation of an event.
A new pub is opening in my corner of suburban north London.
It does not accept cash.
Aren’t they legally obliged to do so?
The myth over this is due to the description of cash as "legal tender". But that has a very narrow meaning, which is I cannot sue you in relation to a contractual debt if you try to pay me in cash and I insist on a different form of payment.
But I can simply refuse to serve you in my shop (i.e. not enter a contract at all) if you insist on paying by cash rather than card. That's not a debt situation - it's just refusal of service.
That's the thing about the second video. A 'defensive' punch because of something said, or a perceived threat, would just be a punch. He goes in for more after the victim is on the ground, throwing more punches.
But you know, currygate.
The Currygate meme has come about because when something like this happens, we have to treat it with a great deal of scepticism given the standards of reporting at outfits like the Telegraph. We've had RAFgate, Belgranogate, MrsStarmergate and so on.
We've waited for the CCTV and in this case it actually looks like a story for once. Oddly enough, he can count himself lucky - if that guy's head cracks off the pavement...
"With our Cheshire Police and Crime Commissioner @danpricelab and Frodsham @cwaclabour Cllrs listening to residents' concerns and ideas for policing and community safety"
That's the thing about the second video. A 'defensive' punch because of something said, or a perceived threat, would just be a punch. He goes in for more after the victim is on the ground, throwing more punches.
But you know, currygate.
The Currygate meme has come about because when something like this happens, we have to treat it with a great deal of scepticism given the standards of reporting at outfits like the Telegraph. We've had RAFgate, Belgranogate, MrsStarmergate and so on.
We've waited for the CCTV and in this case it actually looks like a story for once. Oddly enough, he can count himself lucky - if that guy's head cracks off the pavement...
But that's the point with Labour and its fans on here as well. Any criticism of Labour and its people will be seen as trivial and trivilaised in that manner. Whereas any Tory potentially doing something wrong is obviously guilty.
As it happens, I think there was something on currygate; something that points at one of Starmer's key problems. But I'm in a minority about that. Perhaps I should not be.
(And before people screech 'you're biased!!!', I refer them to the post I made when this story broke, when I said the video was not a slam-dunk as it did not show the whole incident.)
Labour MP Mike Amesbury has been suspended from the party and has had the whip withdrawn, after CCTV footage emerged appearing to show him punching a man to the ground.
This will be a fascinating by-election, assuming there’s a recall petition.
If this was a shire Tory the Lib Dems would be the obvious challengers. If it were a Labour-Con marginal it would be the Tories. But this one potentially puts Reform in poll position to be the challenger.
Up to now they’ve not shown any real signs of being good at parliamentary by-elections. But it’s early in the parliament and the Conservatives remain licking their wounds from July. I think the result will tell us a lot about how meaningful the Reform (and SPLORG) threat is.
It is a county constituency (and the distinction between county and borough in terms of swing was important this year), that is at least half rural Cheshire hinterland.
And then Runcorn, a bit edge of city WWC, but with a degree of Liverpool mentality.
The WWC element says go Reform, the Cheshire hinterland says go Tory, and Liverpool element says go for a leftie.
Indeed Amesbury won the former Weaver Vale seat from its 2015-2017 Tory incumbent.
I think Labour get through on mid 30s% with a very split opposition.
My Mum has had a very busy weekend and decided not to bother cooking tonight; her and Dad are having a takeaway curry
So she's given me the rack of local lamb (from the best local farmshop) that she was going to cook
There's a whole.pound of it, so I've decided to just make a red wine, garlic and herb (rosemary, thyme and chives) sauce to go with
Even minus fat and bones, a pound of French trimmed lamb rack has to be enough for one?
I'll know in about an hour
Oh you brute! Rack of lamb!.. FFS.
I'm having a chilli, although there is a vaguely enticing aspect that I've been stewing some dried chillis for several hours - one has become huge! It'll be just chilli though and the best bit will probably be the hefty cheese contrast.
My Mum has had a very busy weekend and decided not to bother cooking tonight; her and Dad are having a takeaway curry
So she's given me the rack of local lamb (from the best local farmshop) that she was going to cook
There's a whole.pound of it, so I've decided to just make a red wine, garlic and herb (rosemary, thyme and chives) sauce to go with
Even minus fat and bones, a pound of French trimmed lamb rack has to be enough for one?
I'll know in about an hour
Funny how lamb sandwiches are not really a thing.
Indeed. And lamb in any kind of pasta dish. Which means that leftovers tend to go either the shepherds pie or curry route.
I’m cooking for myself this evening so I’ve made a mini “roast” beef from an onglet steak from the new butcher in Honor Oak. There will be no leftovers.
My Mum has had a very busy weekend and decided not to bother cooking tonight; her and Dad are having a takeaway curry
So she's given me the rack of local lamb (from the best local farmshop) that she was going to cook
There's a whole.pound of it, so I've decided to just make a red wine, garlic and herb (rosemary, thyme and chives) sauce to go with
Even minus fat and bones, a pound of French trimmed lamb rack has to be enough for one?
I'll know in about an hour
Oh you brute! Rack of lamb!.. FFS.
I'm having a chilli, although there is a vaguely enticing aspect that I've been stewing some dried chillis for several hours - one has become huge! It'll be just chilli though and the best bit will probably be the hefty cheese contrast.
My biggest ever faux pas in a restaurant involved a rack of lamb.
Apparently you're not meant to call it 'lamb tits'.
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It's over folks. The NHS cannot defeat this kind of indolence.
His intent was a violent prevention of due process. And the violence happened. Fortunately one Republican, his VP, wasn't as weak as he thought.
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial
Not sure his tariffs plan has much in common with Cleveland. Cleveland was anti tariff, it was Harrison and the Republicans who were pro tariffs.
Trump would want to emulate Cleveland in one way though, Cleveland is the only US President to lose his re election attempt at the end of his first term and come back and win a second term. Cleveland beat James Blaine to be elected President in 1888 but lost to Benjamin Harrison in 1888 before coming back to beat Harrison in 1892
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14008015/NIALL-FERGUSON-Kamala-Harris-poses-greater-threat-democracy-home-abroad-Donald-Trump.html
https://x.com/MikeAmesburyMP/status/1820516300294426839
One of the best rhythmic, syncopated lines of text in the rock genre. Contrast with the sometimes terrible syllabic scanning you get from the opposite end of the spectrum, the Manic Street Preachers, which spoils several otherwise good songs.
Of course, you could do what I do and ALWAYS have a spare!
A black man was assaulted for being black in Piccadilly Gardens, that wasn't the only example.
https://kamalaharris.com/issues/
To be fair to him he has served his time many years ago, he was elected and as long as he does no further offence while in office requiring jail time then he can continue to serve
Seems more a case of gbh/abh. Was there a racial addition to the actual sentencing because it certainly looked like six of one 1/2 a dozen of the other.
You say it's absurd and preposterous that Trump should be held responsible for the consequences of his incitement. If it had been a peaceful protest you might have a point. But as they did what he told them to, on a reasonable understanding, you really don't.
Pharmacists will dispense in anticipation of a repeat prescription if you regularly fill prescriptions with them. If not then they cannot provide Prescription Only Medicines.
Found a nice spot for my Sunday lunch break
But I assume this is the video referred to earlier on:
https://www.newsflare.com/video/667950/shocking-scenes-as-protesters-attack-black-man-during-unrest-in-manchester
It’s hard to see how everyone involved in this situation, minus the police, are not dickheads of the highest order.
Senate looks much less likely - hard to see a realistic situation where Democrats cling onto the Senate whilst losing the Presidency (noting that would also involve losing the VP's casting vote).
(sorry
https://youtu.be/dsx2vdn7gpY?si=gfHPAInffINskIdB
Time for David Attenborough instead?
It comes after CCTV apparently showed the moment Mike Amesbury threw a punch at a man"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/27/mike-amesbury-labour-mp-suspended/
It wasn’t quite what TSE described though.
I stand by what I said, if you commit acts of violence against people or property you should be going to jail. If you say mean things, you should not. If you say things that result in someone else (or you expect it to) committing acts of violence against people or property then prosecution and possibly, depending on the circumstances a custodial might be in order.
What is this country coming to?!?!?!?!?!
If this was a shire Tory the Lib Dems would be the obvious challengers. If it were a Labour-Con marginal it would be the Tories. But this one potentially puts Reform in poll position to be the challenger.
Up to now they’ve not shown any real signs of being good at parliamentary by-elections. But it’s early in the parliament and the Conservatives remain licking their wounds from July. I think the result will tell us a lot about how meaningful the Reform (and SPLORG) threat is.
That's the thing about the second video. A 'defensive' punch because of something said, or a perceived threat, would just be a punch. He goes in for more after the victim is on the ground, throwing more punches.
But you know, currygate.
It doesn't look to be something which will be swept under the carpet ?
But I can simply refuse to serve you in my shop (i.e. not enter a contract at all) if you insist on paying by cash rather than card. That's not a debt situation - it's just refusal of service.
If I were an ageing columnist I think I’d aim for the swept aesthetic, if I had enough of the stuff.
We've waited for the CCTV and in this case it actually looks like a story for once. Oddly enough, he can count himself lucky - if that guy's head cracks off the pavement...
"With our Cheshire Police and Crime Commissioner @danpricelab and Frodsham @cwaclabour Cllrs listening to residents' concerns and ideas for policing and community safety"
https://x.com/MikeAmesburyMP/status/1849885522975445031
An idea for community safety: "Don't say anything to me in the street, sonny, or I'll whack you one."
So she's given me the rack of local lamb (from the best local farmshop) that she was going to cook
There's a whole.pound of it, so I've decided to just make a red wine, garlic and herb (rosemary, thyme and chives) sauce to go with
Even minus fat and bones, a pound of French trimmed lamb rack has to be enough for one?
I'll know in about an hour
As it happens, I think there was something on currygate; something that points at one of Starmer's key problems. But I'm in a minority about that. Perhaps I should not be.
(And before people screech 'you're biased!!!', I refer them to the post I made when this story broke, when I said the video was not a slam-dunk as it did not show the whole incident.)
And then Runcorn, a bit edge of city WWC, but with a degree of Liverpool mentality.
The WWC element says go Reform, the Cheshire hinterland says go Tory, and Liverpool element says go for a leftie.
Indeed Amesbury won the former Weaver Vale seat from its 2015-2017 Tory incumbent.
I think Labour get through on mid 30s% with a very split opposition.
Have you got a colour set yet?
I'm having a chilli, although there is a vaguely enticing aspect that I've been stewing some dried chillis for several hours - one has become huge! It'll be just chilli though and the best bit will probably be the hefty cheese contrast.
I’m cooking for myself this evening so I’ve made a mini “roast” beef from an onglet steak from the new butcher in Honor Oak. There will be no leftovers.
Apparently you're not meant to call it 'lamb tits'.