Jenrick’s price is collapsing like the England test team's batting in the 1990s

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anabobazina said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Anabobazina said:

Dumbosaurus said:

Managed to get another few quid on Jenrick at 15, for the bragging rights if it comes off. That'll do. Let's see what happens!

Another value loser!

Well you got that all wrong

I did and I just apologised. Next.

You are getting the idea

Give it a rest.

No

This could be an ugly anti-woke arms race now.

Loved all the expert opinion, to get to Badenoch and Jenrick as you would have assumed at the outset.

Clearly Badenoch's to lose, which she won't.

Easily the most interesting option out of all the candidates. It may blow up, but we are 4 years and 8 months from the next general election and it is worth the risk.

The PCP has decided that the reason it got the mother of all hammerings in the General Election was because it was insufficiently rightwing.

Sandpit said:

Andy_JS said:

Dumbosaurus said:

@Andy_JS called this from the start, wow!

It's the only thing I'm any good at, lol.

You just keep on keeping on, my friend.

If we ever shall meet, the beers are all on me.

I knew this was a market I should stay out of.
Play it right, and you could have traded it for a fortune. I'd have got it wrong at pretty well every step.

As it is, I limited my losses by cashing out for a £2 loss, before the first round, and walked away without looking back. Thank heavens.

Next time, I'll just follow Andy's tips.

Heh, part of me thinks this is just funny, the Conservatives wandering off into the wilderness.

Another part of me thinks this is concerning - if Labour don't get their act together then Jenrick or Badenoch as PM could possibly happen

A large part of me is glad that I didn't top up on Cleverly earlier - almost did, but didn't fancy the odds.

A larger part of me is thinking it's time to hedge on Badenoch now - she was my only red when we were down to four and has remained so. Jenrick's been doing his best to tickle all the Tory members' most unspeakable bits, but they still might long for a bit of Bad Enoch, particularly if she manages to keep her foot out of her mouth for a bit.

Wow. Cleverly gets Portilloed.

Fucks sake who do I even vote for?! @JohnO what are we going to do?

Sky saying the conservative party members are very much in England and the South East with few in Scotland and Wales

Seems credible

Little Miss Bossy plays Mr Bastard!

( Is there a Mr Men character called Mr Bastard?)

Mr Notso-Clever is eliminated.

Mexicanpete said:

JosiasJessop said:

Mexicanpete said:

JosiasJessop said:

Mexicanpete said:

JosiasJessop said:

Mexicanpete said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Eabhal said:

Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.

Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

*Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.

And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty.

Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.

Mexicanpete said:

JosiasJessop said:

Mexicanpete said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Eabhal said:

Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.

Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

*Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.

And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty.

Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.

The problem is with seeing corruption whenever a Conservative breathes, yet you seem to ignore everything by everyone else. As you show in your very post with your look-Tories! paragraph.

When it's a Tory, you see wrong-doing everywhere. Yet you excuse Labour. You don't defend 'non-Conservative corruption' because you don't see it; whilst every Tory is corrupt.

If these claims were being made about a Tory, you would be all over them.

Did you read my post?

RichardDesmondgate is not comparable to Aliigate. Wallpapergate is comparable to Aliigate and I don't care about either.

Of course I read your post.

The problem is in your 'not comparable'; which is where, I fear, you are going wrong.

Do you genuinely believe that Alli's bankrolling of Starmer is equitable to Johnson visiting Lebedev's villa or Ministers's relatives making pots of money on dodgy PPE or Jenrick accepting a (pathetic) £10,000 donation to the Conservative Party for interfering with planning decisions?

And that's your problem.

Let's assume Allie is not an angel, as you assume, but an evil actor. Then *think* about if he was a Tory, and had got his sticky fingers into candidate selection and having a No. 10 pass - as well as all the other access he'd have got. You would be *furious*.

Allie probably is not an evil actor. But if he was one, the influence he has bought is significant.

Then compare that to the stuff you mention.

You assume that because he is Labour, intentions are bad. In the cases above, you assume that as they are Tories, their intentions are evil. This is particularly ridiculous in Johnson's case given his longstanding pro-Ukraine stance.

MaxPB said:

Fucks sake who do I even vote for?! @JohnO what are we going to do?

Voting for Badenoch, it's a bit vote for the lizard not the wizard.

LostPassword said:

That result is a humdinger. Only five votes between first and third.

I'd assume that Cleverly's campaign royally fucked it up, and couldn't count the votes properly.

Closer than 2001 when there just 6 votes between the final three.

Mexicanpete said:

Little Miss Bossy plays Mr Bastard!

( Is there a Mr Men character called Mr Bastard?)

Mr Notso-Clever is eliminated.

Rik Mayall invented Mr B'stard!

Some 5d chess going on clearly. If only they'd put as much thought and creativity into governing the country we'd be laughing.

TheScreamingEagles said:

So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.

kinabalu said:

Some 5d chess going on clearly. If only they'd put as much thought and creativity into governing the country we'd be laughing.

This is what they all enjoy doing the most

Would Donald Trump - or any PBers - favor OR oppose the following proposd amendment to the US Constitution:

No amendment of this Constitution, having for its object any interference within the States with the relations between their citizens and those described in second section of the first article of the Constitution as "all other persons", shall originate with any State that does not recognize that relation within its own limits, or shall be valid without the assent of every one of the States composing the Union.

Seems like a logical extension of SCOTUS ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, which overturned Roe v. Wade?

OMG. Just seen the result.

Wow.

Selebian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.

I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.

"Senior Tory MP claims Cleverly team blundered by lending votes to Jenrick. If true, spectacular own goal."

Too Clever(ly) by half LOL

williamglenn said:

Based on the results alone, Badenoch has had the best campaign. She gained votes in every round and will go into the members vote as the clear favourite against a damaged Jenrick.

Yep. Who knew getting rid of maternity pay would go down so well!

Doesn't she also have a record of opposing Winter Fuel Payment?

So Cleverly lost two votes from yesterday, despite 20 Tugendhat votes being available for redistribution.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Selebian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.

I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.

You have no place in the current Tory party then

TheScreamingEagles said:

Selebian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.

I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.

Who doesn't wear a rubber.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Selebian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.

I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.

It looks a long time in the wilderness then.

Have you considered becoming a Starmerite?

Rumours that the general election caused Tory MPs to become less right-wing appear to have been slightly exaggerated.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Selebian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.

I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.

You need a time machine...

A_View_From_Cumbria5 said:

Bob__Sykes said:

Suspect there will be another Tory contest before the next GE. Neither of those two have a hope in hell and Kemi, who will obviously win, will prove as toxic as Truss I expect.

Gutted for Cleverly, he was the only realistic candidate who had a chance albeit small of ever becoming PM.

As one who will be voting in the next round I am relieved that Jenrick is still there. He will almost certainly win the vote with members. This can hardly be a surprise.

I agree. Brilliant effort by Bobby J, and frankly, the PCP - now game on for the members' ballot and no toxic argument about the oh-so-clever MPs being overruled by the membership.

Luckyguy1983 said:

Anabobazina said:

The PCP has decided that the reason it got the mother of all hammerings in the General Election was because it was insufficiently rightwing.

Given the electoral arithmetic, are you seriously suggesting this is an outlandish theory?

+1 there are a lot of reform votes.

The fact that reform voters are not natural Tory voters will be a later discovery

@steverichards14

Badenoch v Jenrick is best news for Labour since 10pm July 4th.

LostPassword said:

That result is a humdinger. Only five votes between first and third.

I'd assume that Cleverly's campaign royally fucked it up, and couldn't count the votes properly.

He is presumably absolutey f-ing furious right now.

What a total toss up.

Eabhal said:

This could be an ugly anti-woke arms race now.

Be still my beating heart

Anabobazina said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Anabobazina said:

The PCP has decided that the reason it got the mother of all hammerings in the General Election was because it was insufficiently rightwing.

Given the electoral arithmetic, are you seriously suggesting this is an outlandish theory?

Yes.

Oh. Well, that's startlingly inept.

Sandpit said:

Andy_JS said:

It's a ridiculous, if fun, voting system. They should vote just once and list all their preferences to prevent these shaninigans.

God no, because that would be AV, and @TheScreamingEagles keeps insisting that this contest is like AV.

When clearly it’s nothing like AV whatsoever.

Yes it is even more fun!

Matt nailed it...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/10/08/TELEMMGLPICT000397193891_17284078092710_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpeg?imwidth=1280&imdensity=2

Curious question. Why do people think Badenoch is mad? Feisty I'll give you. I see three main issues for her at the moment:

1) She's very popular with Tory grassroots. Fairly or otherwise this automatically makes the rest of the country suspicious.

2) She speaks frankly and doesn't consider how her words can be twisted.

3) She's actually very anti populist. Good luck getting the British people to accept an end to cakeism.

Foxy said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Selebian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.

I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.

It looks a long time in the wilderness then.

Have you considered becoming a Starmerite?

God no, he's a socialist.

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Selebian said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.

I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.

Who doesn't wear a rubber.

True Thatcherite (I'm assuming she didn't, either)

I'm genuinely disappointed, even though Cleverly was a much stronger candidate and this scarcely believable fiasco suits Labour.

Cleverly is a nice guy, a thoughtful decent man – and an atheist. It would have been interesting – and overdue – to have atheists leading both big parties, which reflected the irreligious nature of our nation.

rottenborough said:

LostPassword said:

That result is a humdinger. Only five votes between first and third.

I'd assume that Cleverly's campaign royally fucked it up, and couldn't count the votes properly.

He is presumably absolutey f-ing furious right now.

What a total toss up.

He may of course get another chance – might be a sliding doors moment for him.

BBC News Channel thinks a hurricane in another continent is more important than British politics.

Scott_xP said:

@steverichards14

Badenoch v Jenrick is best news for Labour since 10pm July 4th.

Only for two years though and then we will have another tory leadership race.

Andy_JS said:

It's a ridiculous, if fun, voting system. They should vote just once and list all their preferences to prevent these shaninigans.

...which implies they should use some kind of instant runoff voting. An alternative voting method, if you will. Mayhap the mods could write such an article...

Well this is fun, isn’t it? This election keeps on giving and giving. I don’t think I can remember any contest of any sort, political or otherwise, which has swung odds so wildly from one possible winner to another.
I confess this is one outcome I couldn’t see how it would happen. But it’s so personal – who someone will vote for as leader goes well beyond a broad policy position or ideologue vs pragmatist – it’s do I like person x, y or z and if so in what order.
Well done to Andy_JS who foresaw these as the final two from the start, and to HYUFD who even an hour ago with Jenrick’s price cratering was steadfast that this was not an accurate reflection of reality. Possibly it was a self-reinforcing spiral – Jenrick’s price sliding out convincing punters that Jenrick was out, who bet accordingly, forcing his price out further.

Sandpit said:

So Cleverly lost two votes from yesterday, despite 20 Tugendhat votes being available for redistribution.

Must mean some of yesterday's were lent from other candidates as no way a chunk of Tugendhat voters did not go Cleverly.

Leon said:

Anabobazina said:

I'm genuinely disappointed, even though Cleverly was a much stronger candidate and this scarcely believable fiasco suits Labour.

Cleverly is a nice guy, a thoughtful decent man – and an atheist. It would have been interesting – and overdue – to have atheists leading both big parties, which reflected the irreligious nature of our nation.

Yeah, great, what this country really needs is a guy who thinks life has no purpose, a painful death is all that awaits us, and the universe is a meaningless great void of howling nullity. That'll get the voters queueing up

Where's your god now?

Cleverly being an atheist. Have Badenoch or Jenrick expressed any religious convictions?