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Jenrick’s price is collapsing like the England test team's batting in the 1990s

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  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,594
    So Tugendhat's 20 votes?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,260

    Managed to get another few quid on Jenrick at 15, for the bragging rights if it comes off. That'll do. Let's see what happens!

    Another value loser!
    Well you got that all wrong
    I did and I just apologised. Next.
    You are getting the idea
    Give it a rest.
    No
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,604
    LD new favourites for GE 2029????!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,075
    This could be an ugly anti-woke arms race now.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,605
    TimS said:

    Unpopular opinion on the test. We need the occasional batting wicket borefest draw. Modern test matches are usually done in 3-4 days and I think they’re giving bowlers an easy ride. It develops bowlers’ skill to have to toil in hard conditions and winkle out a wicket from time to time. It also tests captains in different ways.

    Plus it’s great for batsmen’s test averages. A nice occasional top up opportunity.

    Average runs per wicket are a little bit down compared to 10-20 years ago, but nothing unusual. Matches are completed earlier because ruins are being scored a lot more quickly.

    There's a specific problem with pitches in Pakistan. They have clearly the highest average in world cricket.
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 59
    Loved all the expert opinion, to get to Badenoch and Jenrick as you would have assumed at the outset.

    Clearly Badenoch's to lose, which she won't.

    Easily the most interesting option out of all the candidates. It may blow up, but we are 4 years and 8 months from the next general election and it is worth the risk.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,096
    It's what the membership were gagging for - red hot hard right on hard right action.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,712
    The PCP has decided that the reason it got the mother of all hammerings in the General Election was because it was insufficiently rightwing.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,163
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    @Andy_JS called this from the start, wow!

    It's the only thing I'm any good at, lol.
    You just keep on keeping on, my friend.

    If we ever shall meet, the beers are all on me.
    I knew this was a market I should stay out of.
    Play it right, and you could have traded it for a fortune. I'd have got it wrong at pretty well every step.

    As it is, I limited my losses by cashing out for a £2 loss, before the first round, and walked away without looking back. Thank heavens.

    Next time, I'll just follow Andy's tips.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,163

    So................

    Were Badenoch/Jenrick supporters voting for Cleverly yesterday and why? Perhaps to convince him he was in the final two and could 'lend' a few votes elsewhere. This really doesn't make much sense.

    Bloody funny, if that's true.
    Bit sad for the party, though.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,457
    Heh, part of me thinks this is just funny, the Conservatives wandering off into the wilderness.

    Another part of me thinks this is concerning - if Labour don't get their act together then Jenrick or Badenoch as PM could possibly happen :open_mouth:

    A large part of me is glad that I didn't top up on Cleverly earlier - almost did, but didn't fancy the odds.

    A larger part of me is thinking it's time to hedge on Badenoch now - she was my only red when we were down to four and has remained so. Jenrick's been doing his best to tickle all the Tory members' most unspeakable bits, but they still might long for a bit of Bad Enoch, particularly if she manages to keep her foot out of her mouth for a bit.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,488
    Ladbrokes

    Kemi Badenoch to become UK Prime Minister by 2040

    11/4
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,761
    Wow. Cleverly gets Portilloed.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,678
    Have the Tories learned nothing from the election?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,239
    Fucks sake who do I even vote for?! @JohnO what are we going to do?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,594
    You can't keep an old dog down. The Tory party might be on their knees after their worst election result for 200 years but I'll say this; they still know how to provide entertainment.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,260
    Sky saying the conservative party members are very much in England and the South East with few in Scotland and Wales

    Seems credible
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,096

    Kemi Badenoch is slightly mad.
    On the other hand, she's slightly brighter, and also slightly more self-aware, than Truss.

    A brick is slightly brighter and slightly more self-aware than Truss.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,609
    edited 2:48PM
    Little Miss Bossy plays Mr Bastard!

    ( Is there a Mr Men character called Mr Bastard?)

    Mr Notso-Clever is eliminated.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,163
    MaxPB said:

    Fucks sake who do I even vote for?! @JohnO what are we going to do?

    Try a few years of despair.
    Lord knows you'll have plenty of company in that.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,688

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.
    The problem is with seeing corruption whenever a Conservative breathes, yet you seem to ignore everything by everyone else. As you show in your very post with your look-Tories! paragraph.

    When it's a Tory, you see wrong-doing everywhere. Yet you excuse Labour. You don't defend 'non-Conservative corruption' because you don't see it; whilst every Tory is corrupt.

    If these claims were being made about a Tory, you would be all over them.
    Did you read my post?

    RichardDesmondgate is not comparable to Aliigate. Wallpapergate is comparable to Aliigate and I don't care about either.
    Of course I read your post.

    The problem is in your 'not comparable'; which is where, I fear, you are going wrong.
    Do you genuinely believe that Alli's bankrolling of Starmer is equitable to Johnson visiting Lebedev's villa or Ministers's relatives making pots of money on dodgy PPE or Jenrick accepting a (pathetic) £10,000 donation to the Conservative Party for interfering with planning decisions?
    And that's your problem.

    Let's assume Allie is not an angel, as you assume, but an evil actor. Then *think* about if he was a Tory, and had got his sticky fingers into candidate selection and having a No. 10 pass - as well as all the other access he'd have got. You would be *furious*.

    Allie probably is not an evil actor. But if he was one, the influence he has bought is significant.

    Then compare that to the stuff you mention.

    You assume that because he is Labour, intentions are bad. In the cases above, you assume that as they are Tories, their intentions are evil. This is particularly ridiculous in Johnson's case given his longstanding pro-Ukraine stance.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,605
    That result is a humdinger. Only five votes between first and third.

    I'd assume that Cleverly's campaign royally fucked it up, and couldn't count the votes properly.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,779
    MaxPB said:

    Fucks sake who do I even vote for?! @JohnO what are we going to do?

    Voting for Badenoch, it's a bit vote for the lizard not the wizard.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,688
    The Tory party are going to implode in the short-term and medium-term.

    It'd be hilarious, if Labour were not continually stepping on rakes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,779

    That result is a humdinger. Only five votes between first and third.

    I'd assume that Cleverly's campaign royally fucked it up, and couldn't count the votes properly.

    Closer than 2001 when there just 6 votes between the final three.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,761
    Based on the results alone, Badenoch has had the best campaign. She gained votes in every round and will go into the members vote as the clear favourite against a damaged Jenrick.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,285

    Little Miss Bossy plays Mr Bastard!

    ( Is there a Mr Men character called Mr Bastard?)

    Mr Notso-Clever is eliminated.

    Rik Mayall invented Mr B'stard! :lol:
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,467
    edited 2:50PM
    Some 5d chess going on clearly. If only they'd put as much thought and creativity into governing the country we'd be laughing.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,125

    The PCP has decided that the reason it got the mother of all hammerings in the General Election was because it was insufficiently rightwing.

    They've got that bit right. They talked right, governed left, thus created a huge gap in the market for a actual party of the right.

    They're probably doomed regardless, but their only possible hope is to try and recover their right flank.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,457

    So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

    I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

    After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,329
    Scott_xP said:

    Ladbrokes

    Kemi Badenoch to become UK Prime Minister by 2040

    11/4

    Shit odds
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,329
    kinabalu said:

    Some 5d chess going on clearly. If only they'd put as much thought and creativity into governing the country we'd be laughing.

    This is what they all enjoy doing the most
  • edited 2:51PM

    Suspect there will be another Tory contest before the next GE. Neither of those two have a hope in hell and Kemi, who will obviously win, will prove as toxic as Truss I expect.

    Gutted for Cleverly, he was the only realistic candidate who had a chance albeit small of ever becoming PM.

    As one who will be voting in the next round I am relieved that Jenrick is still there. He will almost certainly win the vote with members. This can hardly be a surprise.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,302
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    Seems like a logical extension of SCOTUS ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, which overturned Roe v. Wade?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,329
    MaxPB said:

    Fucks sake who do I even vote for?! @JohnO what are we going to do?

    I might abstain
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,726
    OMG. Just seen the result.

    Wow.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,488
    HYUFD said:

    I expect Starmer and Davey will be feeling rather more pleased than Farage this afternoon though

    I don't expect Nige cares.

    The happiest today is probably BoZo. When Kemi implodes he will "stand ready to serve..."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,779
    Selebian said:

    So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

    I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

    After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.
    I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,070
    Sandpit said:

    So who was on Jenrick at the 14/1 in the header.

    He should still be 14/1, Kemi’s got this with the members.

    Well I've been in and out on Jenrick at 12.5/3 in the last 20 minutes, and I reckon I recovered the incy-wincy hit I took getting out of laying Kemi before lunch.

    I think. It's telling me I laid Cleverly as well, but I don't think I did - is that how BFX rebalances things when you cash out?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,518
    "Senior Tory MP claims Cleverly team blundered by lending votes to Jenrick. If true, spectacular own goal."

    Too Clever(ly) by half LOL
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,946

    Based on the results alone, Badenoch has had the best campaign. She gained votes in every round and will go into the members vote as the clear favourite against a damaged Jenrick.

    Yep. Who knew getting rid of maternity pay would go down so well!

    Doesn't she also have a record of opposing Winter Fuel Payment?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,883

    The PCP has decided that the reason it got the mother of all hammerings in the General Election was because it was insufficiently rightwing.

    Given the electoral arithmetic, are you seriously suggesting this is an outlandish theory?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,645
    So Cleverly lost two votes from yesterday, despite 20 Tugendhat votes being available for redistribution.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,712
    MaxPB said:

    Fucks sake who do I even vote for?! @JohnO what are we going to do?

    Leave the party?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,488

    Selebian said:

    So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

    I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

    After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.
    I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.
    You have no place in the current Tory party then
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,712

    The PCP has decided that the reason it got the mother of all hammerings in the General Election was because it was insufficiently rightwing.

    Given the electoral arithmetic, are you seriously suggesting this is an outlandish theory?
    Yes.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,329

    Selebian said:

    So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

    I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

    After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.
    I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.
    Who doesn't wear a rubber.
  • EScrymgeourEScrymgeour Posts: 140

    MaxPB said:

    Fucks sake who do I even vote for?! @JohnO what are we going to do?

    https://www.libdems.org.uk/join
    No-one is that desperate.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,946

    Selebian said:

    So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

    I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

    After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.
    I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.
    It looks a long time in the wilderness then.

    Have you considered becoming a Starmerite?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,726

    Suspect there will be another Tory contest before the next GE. Neither of those two have a hope in hell and Kemi, who will obviously win, will prove as toxic as Truss I expect.

    Gutted for Cleverly, he was the only realistic candidate who had a chance albeit small of ever becoming PM.

    As one who will be voting in the next round I am relieved that Jenrick is still there. He will almost certainly win the vote with members. This can hardly be a surprise.
    If you believe this then you can make serious money as he is 2.6 on BF.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,587
    edited 2:53PM
    Rumours that the general election caused Tory MPs to become less right-wing appear to have been slightly exaggerated.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,645
    Andy_JS said:

    It's a ridiculous, if fun, voting system. They should vote just once and list all their preferences to prevent these shaninigans.

    God no, because that would be AV, and @TheScreamingEagles keeps insisting that this contest is like AV.

    When clearly it’s nothing like AV whatsoever.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,712

    Have the Tories learned nothing from the election?

    QTWTAIN
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,285

    Selebian said:

    So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

    I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

    After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.
    I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.
    You need a time machine...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,645

    So Tugendhat's 20 votes?

    -2 of them went to Cleverly.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,883

    Suspect there will be another Tory contest before the next GE. Neither of those two have a hope in hell and Kemi, who will obviously win, will prove as toxic as Truss I expect.

    Gutted for Cleverly, he was the only realistic candidate who had a chance albeit small of ever becoming PM.

    As one who will be voting in the next round I am relieved that Jenrick is still there. He will almost certainly win the vote with members. This can hardly be a surprise.
    I agree. Brilliant effort by Bobby J, and frankly, the PCP - now game on for the members' ballot and no toxic argument about the oh-so-clever MPs being overruled by the membership.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,457

    Selebian said:

    So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

    I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

    After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.
    I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.
    Best start a new party then. Or go to sleep for a good number of years.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,673

    The PCP has decided that the reason it got the mother of all hammerings in the General Election was because it was insufficiently rightwing.

    Given the electoral arithmetic, are you seriously suggesting this is an outlandish theory?
    +1 there are a lot of reform votes.

    The fact that reform voters are not natural Tory voters will be a later discovery
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,946
    Sandpit said:

    So Cleverly lost two votes from yesterday, despite 20 Tugendhat votes being available for redistribution.

    Or was it Jenrikites trying to keep out Kemi by voting Cleverly last time?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,488
    @steverichards14

    Badenoch v Jenrick is best news for Labour since 10pm July 4th.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,352
    Well, I am surprised. (I was too scared to bet on the race, so have lost nothing!)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,726

    That result is a humdinger. Only five votes between first and third.

    I'd assume that Cleverly's campaign royally fucked it up, and couldn't count the votes properly.

    He is presumably absolutey f-ing furious right now.

    What a total toss up.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,488
    @fleetstreetfox

    'Be more normal'.

    Tories: Nah.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,834
    Eabhal said:

    This could be an ugly anti-woke arms race now.

    Be still my beating heart
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,883

    The PCP has decided that the reason it got the mother of all hammerings in the General Election was because it was insufficiently rightwing.

    Given the electoral arithmetic, are you seriously suggesting this is an outlandish theory?
    Yes.
    Oh. Well, that's startlingly inept.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,518
    Hot theory: Jenrick and Badenoch BOTH lent votes to Cleverly in the previous round, Cleverly thinking he had the numbers then went and lent votes to Jenrick whilst losing his own lent votes :o
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,946
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    It's a ridiculous, if fun, voting system. They should vote just once and list all their preferences to prevent these shaninigans.

    God no, because that would be AV, and @TheScreamingEagles keeps insisting that this contest is like AV.

    When clearly it’s nothing like AV whatsoever.
    Yes it is even more fun!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,883

    That result is a humdinger. Only five votes between first and third.

    I'd assume that Cleverly's campaign royally fucked it up, and couldn't count the votes properly.

    He is presumably absolutey f-ing furious right now.

    What a total toss up.
    It is delicious.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,726
    Was it Harold Wilson who said the first rule of politics is learn to count?

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,594
    Curious question. Why do people think Badenoch is mad? Feisty I'll give you. I see three main issues for her at the moment:

    1) She's very popular with Tory grassroots. Fairly or otherwise this automatically makes the rest of the country suspicious.

    2) She speaks frankly and doesn't consider how her words can be twisted.

    3) She's actually very anti populist. Good luck getting the British people to accept an end to cakeism.
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    Seems like a logical extension of SCOTUS ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, which overturned Roe v. Wade?

    Can you translate that for me?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,779
    Foxy said:

    Selebian said:

    So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

    I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

    After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.
    I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.
    It looks a long time in the wilderness then.

    Have you considered becoming a Starmerite?
    God no, he's a socialist.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,488
    @robfordmancs
    Somehow Con MPs have managed to (a) eliminate the candidate with the clearest appeal to swing voters the party needs (Cleverly) and (b) ensure that whoever wins the members ballot starts without the support of most MPs.

    @robfordmancs
    Probably the happiest Tory tonight will be Boris Johnson.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,457

    Selebian said:

    So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

    I think the only appropriate thing is to, as it were, fall on your sword and resign your membership.

    After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.
    I'm not a Lib Dem though, I am a fiscally dry Thatcherite One Nation Tory.
    Who doesn't wear a rubber.
    True Thatcherite :smile: (I'm assuming she didn't, either)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,834
    Scott_xP said:

    @hugorifkind

    I'm very impressed that the Conservatives have managed to lose an election which only had Conservatives running in it.

    All these tedious, "scathing", repasted remarks from people who aren't Tories or are the reason the Tories fucked up so mightily in GE2024

    Cleverly was a centrist Dad Cameroon with no energy or ideas and would have led the Tories nowhere, AGAIN

    Jenrick is dislikeable, Badenoch is insane, but... the Tories had to roll the dice. They have correctly done so
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,712
    I'm genuinely disappointed, even though Cleverly was a much stronger candidate and this scarcely believable fiasco suits Labour.

    Cleverly is a nice guy, a thoughtful decent man – and an atheist. It would have been interesting – and overdue – to have atheists leading both big parties, which reflected the irreligious nature of our nation.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,726

    Well, I am surprised. (I was too scared to bet on the race, so have lost nothing!)

    Thankfully I laid out just before lunch on this one.

    What a clusterfuck.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,712

    That result is a humdinger. Only five votes between first and third.

    I'd assume that Cleverly's campaign royally fucked it up, and couldn't count the votes properly.

    He is presumably absolutey f-ing furious right now.

    What a total toss up.
    He may of course get another chance – might be a sliding doors moment for him.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,761
    The assumption that Badenoch is a gift to Labour seems very presumptuous. The sight of the centre-left calling her a far-right extremist will look weird to normal people.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,587
    BBC News Channel thinks a hurricane in another continent is more important than British politics.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,260
    Scott_xP said:

    @robfordmancs
    Somehow Con MPs have managed to (a) eliminate the candidate with the clearest appeal to swing voters the party needs (Cleverly) and (b) ensure that whoever wins the members ballot starts without the support of most MPs.

    @robfordmancs
    Probably the happiest Tory tonight will be Boris Johnson.

    a) correct b) applies to all 3
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,726
    Scott_xP said:

    @steverichards14

    Badenoch v Jenrick is best news for Labour since 10pm July 4th.

    Only for two years though and then we will have another tory leadership race.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,609

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.
    The problem is with seeing corruption whenever a Conservative breathes, yet you seem to ignore everything by everyone else. As you show in your very post with your look-Tories! paragraph.

    When it's a Tory, you see wrong-doing everywhere. Yet you excuse Labour. You don't defend 'non-Conservative corruption' because you don't see it; whilst every Tory is corrupt.

    If these claims were being made about a Tory, you would be all over them.
    Did you read my post?

    RichardDesmondgate is not comparable to Aliigate. Wallpapergate is comparable to Aliigate and I don't care about either.
    Of course I read your post.

    The problem is in your 'not comparable'; which is where, I fear, you are going wrong.
    Do you genuinely believe that Alli's bankrolling of Starmer is equitable to Johnson visiting Lebedev's villa or Ministers's relatives making pots of money on dodgy PPE or Jenrick accepting a (pathetic) £10,000 donation to the Conservative Party for interfering with planning decisions?
    And that's your problem.

    Let's assume Allie is not an angel, as you assume, but an evil actor. Then *think* about if he was a Tory, and had got his sticky fingers into candidate selection and having a No. 10 pass - as well as all the other access he'd have got. You would be *furious*.

    Allie probably is not an evil actor. But if he was one, the influence he has bought is significant.

    Then compare that to the stuff you mention.

    You assume that because he is Labour, intentions are bad. In the cases above, you assume that as they are Tories, their intentions are evil. This is particularly ridiculous in Johnson's case given his longstanding pro-Ukraine stance.
    A Foreign Secretary throws off his minders after a meeting to discuss the Salisbury poisonings by Russia a few days earlier, to attend a party hosted by a one of Putin's circle. He makes the son of Putin's friend ( a KGB Officer) a member of the House of Lords. This is years before Ukraine. For those of us with Johnson derangement syndrome we might suggest that Johnson's enthusiasm for Ukraine was the last throw of the dice for his troubled and dying premiership.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,224
    Andy_JS said:

    It's a ridiculous, if fun, voting system. They should vote just once and list all their preferences to prevent these shaninigans.

    ...which implies they should use some kind of instant runoff voting. An alternative voting method, if you will. Mayhap the mods could write such an article... :smile:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,163
    Pulpstar said:

    "Senior Tory MP claims Cleverly team blundered by lending votes to Jenrick. If true, spectacular own goal."

    Too Clever(ly) by half LOL

    Suggests that Jenrick had a couple of long term moles in the Cleverly camp, to lull him into a false sense of security.

    So he's an effective little shit.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,209
    Well this is fun, isn’t it? This election keeps on giving and giving. I don’t think I can remember any contest of any sort, political or otherwise, which has swung odds so wildly from one possible winner to another.
    I confess this is one outcome I couldn’t see how it would happen. But it’s so personal – who someone will vote for as leader goes well beyond a broad policy position or ideologue vs pragmatist – it’s do I like person x, y or z and if so in what order.
    Well done to Andy_JS who foresaw these as the final two from the start, and to HYUFD who even an hour ago with Jenrick’s price cratering was steadfast that this was not an accurate reflection of reality. Possibly it was a self-reinforcing spiral – Jenrick’s price sliding out convincing punters that Jenrick was out, who bet accordingly, forcing his price out further.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,726
    Sandpit said:

    So Cleverly lost two votes from yesterday, despite 20 Tugendhat votes being available for redistribution.

    Must mean some of yesterday's were lent from other candidates as no way a chunk of Tugendhat voters did not go Cleverly.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,260

    Curious question. Why do people think Badenoch is mad? Feisty I'll give you. I see three main issues for her at the moment:

    1) She's very popular with Tory grassroots. Fairly or otherwise this automatically makes the rest of the country suspicious.

    2) She speaks frankly and doesn't consider how her words can be twisted.

    3) She's actually very anti populist. Good luck getting the British people to accept an end to cakeism.

    I really do not know enough about her but certainly I hope she beats Jenrick
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,285
    Leon said:

    I'm genuinely disappointed, even though Cleverly was a much stronger candidate and this scarcely believable fiasco suits Labour.

    Cleverly is a nice guy, a thoughtful decent man – and an atheist. It would have been interesting – and overdue – to have atheists leading both big parties, which reflected the irreligious nature of our nation.

    Yeah, great, what this country really needs is a guy who thinks life has no purpose, a painful death is all that awaits us, and the universe is a meaningless great void of howling nullity. That'll get the voters queueing up
    Where's your god now? :lol:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 69,163
    You can judge how successful a move this is likely to be for the Tories from the fact that it's delighted both Luckyguy and Leon.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,594
    Cleverly being an atheist. Have Badenoch or Jenrick expressed any religious convictions?
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