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Good to see the tried and tested tactic of "but your criminals are as bad as our criminals" being deployed. Just say it. The Catholic church have been guilty of vile abuse of children for many years. Confession is good for the soul.Ninoinoz said:Tell me Dr. foxinsoxuk, how are all those investigations into child abuse in the NHS coming along.
Also, how did Jimmy Savile get away with so many sexual assaults at Stoke Mandeville without it becoming public?
Another bigot getting his comeuppance on PB.0 -
TSE I read your heading and thought you meant that David Cameron will make a fool of the pollsters by thumping Labour and winning an overall majority.0
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December averages
YouGov- 0.3% lead
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Ninoinoz said:
Tell me Dr. foxinsoxuk, how are all those investigations into child abuse in the NHS coming along.
Also, how did Jimmy Savile get away with so many sexual assaults at Stoke Mandeville without it becoming public?
Another bigot getting his comeuppance on PB.
Here's a hint. just because group A doeas something bad doesn't mean group C is suddenly beyond criticism. It might suprise you to know that people are capable of thinking both group A and C have done bad things.Ninoinoz said:Tell me Dr. foxinsoxuk, how are all those investigations into child abuse in the NHS coming along.
Also, how did Jimmy Savile get away with so many sexual assaults at Stoke Mandeville without it becoming public?
Another bigot getting his comeuppance on PB.0 -
There have been several convictions recently of NHS personnel, in all cases the NHS actively gathered evidence for the police.Ninoinoz said:Tell me Dr. foxinsoxuk, how are all those investigations into child abuse in the NHS coming along.
Also, how did Jimmy Savile get away with so many sexual assaults at Stoke Mandeville without it becoming public?
Another bigot getting his comeuppance on PB.
I do not work at Stoke Mandeville so have no idea what went on there with the famous Jimmy Saville.
We know that many abused children grow up themselves to be abusers. I do wonder whether Saville was abused himself in childhood.0 -
Have we ever had a thread on PB.com to consider whether polls funded by left-leaning organisations (Guardian, Indy, Mirror, Unions, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause and whether polls funded by right-leaning organisations (Sun, Times, Telegraph, Lord Ashcroft, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause.
It certainly seems that way to me, but perhaps I'm imagining it.0 -
Did the Catholic authorities encourage them to report to the police or social services? Surely that is the responsibility of any adult who is approached with such accusations.Ninoinoz said:
Why didn't the victims?foxinsoxuk said:
So did the Catholic church functionaries report the accusations to the police?Ninoinoz said:
The Catechism of the Catholic Church requires cooperation with the civil authorities over criminal matters.foxinsoxuk said:
So did the Pope's minions encourage the victims to go to the police?Ninoinoz said:
Minions?foxinsoxuk said:
Do you think the Pope and his minions were right to close down the ecclesiastical courts to investigation of child abuse? Was it policy to encourage complainants to contact the civil authorities?Ninoinoz said:
Oooh! From 2005, even worse than TSE.Alistair said:
I choose evidenceNinoinoz said:FPT
Would you be so kind as to provide this "documentary proof"?Alistair said:Foolish TSE, the real villains are not the child abusers or indeed the man who we have documentary proof of encouraging a global cover up of child abuse, or indeed the organisation that then promoted that man to the head role in the org knowing full well he'd organised a cover up.
Or keep your bigoted views to yourself?
Choice is yours.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/apr/24/children.childprotection
I refer you to my earlier answer to TSE.
I knew you article was a crock of shit as well when I read this phrase:
The order was made in a confidential letter, obtained by The Observer, which was sent to every Catholic bishop in May 2001.
That's over 5,000 people.
I will give the answer I used to always give:
If you suffer a crime, go to the police. Not exactly rocket science, is it?
But after Rotherham, I'm not too sure.
Bullshit answer: there is no position of minion in the Catholic Church, therefore you ask the impossible.
Or does co-operation with the civil authorities not extend that far?
They were the witnesses to the offences, after all.0 -
Just watched PMQ's
.......... I mean even the left leaning people here must have seen Ed was absolutely drilled into the ground. He just was ......he really was. FFS Even BenM must have seen that ....?
Please... Pretty Please with icing on the top and then those little glittery stars shit my duaghter always insisted in spraying on our remnants of the cakes we had tried to make when they came out of the oven burnt............ you have to realise
Eds a dud and not only that .....a very dangerous dud...
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We had that excuse used earlier.. can it be so? I thought that, if a poll was not favourable, it wouldn't be published, but how could that work with daily/weekly/monthly ie regular polls?peter_from_putney said:Have we ever had a thread on PB.com to consider whether polls funded by left-leaning organisations (Guardian, Indy, Mirror, Unions, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause and whether polls funded by right-leaning organisations (Sun, Times, Telegraph, Lord Ashcroft, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause.
It certainly seems that way to me, but perhaps I'm imagining it.
Survation and COMRES poll for the Daily Mirror, and their polls are UKIP friendly/The Mirror is probably the least friendly to UKIP
ICM is considered the Gold Standard by many Tories and they poll for The Guardian0 -
But barely a word on here about PMQs, despite after all the petty bickering we've seen in the past ..... and all the more surprising considering we're only four and a half months from a General Election.Moses_ said:Just watched PMQ's
.......... I mean even the left leaning people here must have seen Ed was absolutely drilled into the ground. He just was ......he really was. FFS Even BenM must have seen that ....?
Please... Pretty Please with icing on the top and then those little glittery stars shit my duaghter always insisted in spraying on our remnants of the cakes we had tried to make when they came out of the oven burnt............ you have to realise
Eds a dud and not only that .....a very dangerous dud...0 -
What, by dead people?foxinsoxuk said:
There have been several convictions recently of NHS personnel, in all cases the NHS actively gathered evidence for the police.Ninoinoz said:Tell me Dr. foxinsoxuk, how are all those investigations into child abuse in the NHS coming along.
Also, how did Jimmy Savile get away with so many sexual assaults at Stoke Mandeville without it becoming public?
Another bigot getting his comeuppance on PB.
I do not work at Stoke Mandeville so have no idea what went on there with the famous Jimmy Saville.
We know that many abused children grow up themselves to be abusers. I do wonder whether Saville was abused himself in childhood.0 -
Well, let's take a tour of this wonderful country:saddened said:
The Catholic church does a lot of good. Unfortunately it also does a huge amount of harm as well. Your foot stamping and huffing and puffing does not change that.
BBC (Savile, Denning, Souter, Yewtree, etc.)
NHS (Stoke Mandeville)
Rotherham MBC
Rochdale MBC
Tory Party (see Tim Fortescue for details)
Liberal Democrats (Cyril Smith)
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/08/Exclusive-Lib-Lab-Paedo-Pact-Alleged-in-Rochdale
Music schools
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/26/chelthams-teacher-michael-brewer-jailed
Scouting Association
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/10/scout-association-apologises-for-child-abuse
Prisons
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/medomsley-borstal-sex-ring-police-4576925
MI6
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/home-office-was-warned-by-top-tory-1647786
It's only a hard disk crash that prevents me posting more of my extensive collection of links.
No wonder UKIP scare people; so many people in this country have so much to hide.0 -
I'm certainly not making excuses, I'm simply saying as I find. Maybe I'm wrong.isam said:
We had that excuse used earlier.. can it be so? I thought that, if a poll was not favourable, it wouldn't be published, but how could that work with daily/weekly/monthly ie regular polls?peter_from_putney said:Have we ever had a thread on PB.com to consider whether polls funded by left-leaning organisations (Guardian, Indy, Mirror, Unions, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause and whether polls funded by right-leaning organisations (Sun, Times, Telegraph, Lord Ashcroft, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause.
It certainly seems that way to me, but perhaps I'm imagining it.
Survation and COMRES poll for the Daily Mirror, and their polls are UKIP friendly/The Mirror is probably the least friendly to UKIP
ICM is considered the Gold Standard by many Tories and they poll for The Guardian0 -
Presumably your hard drive failed as it was overwhelmed by the number of links to incidents of abuse by members of the Catholic Church.Ninoinoz said:
Well, let's take a tour of this wonderful country:saddened said:
The Catholic church does a lot of good. Unfortunately it also does a huge amount of harm as well. Your foot stamping and huffing and puffing does not change that.
BBC (Savile, Denning, Souter, Yewtree, etc.)
NHS (Stoke Mandeville)
Rotherham MBC
Rochdale MBC
Tory Party (see Tim Fortescue for details)
Liberal Democrats (Cyril Smith)
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/08/Exclusive-Lib-Lab-Paedo-Pact-Alleged-in-Rochdale
Music schools
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/26/chelthams-teacher-michael-brewer-jailed
Scouting Association
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/10/scout-association-apologises-for-child-abuse
Prisons
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/medomsley-borstal-sex-ring-police-4576925
MI6
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/home-office-was-warned-by-top-tory-1647786
It's only a hard disk crash that prevents me posting more of my extensive collection of links.
No wonder UKIP scare people; so many people in this country have so much to hide.
No amount of diversion can distract from the fact that they lead the field.0 -
Heard of parents in your neck of the woods?foxinsoxuk said:
Did the Catholic authorities encourage them to report to the police or social services? Surely that is the responsibility of any adult who is approached with such accusations.Ninoinoz said:
Why didn't the victims?foxinsoxuk said:
So did the Catholic church functionaries report the accusations to the police?Ninoinoz said:
The Catechism of the Catholic Church requires cooperation with the civil authorities over criminal matters.foxinsoxuk said:
So did the Pope's minions encourage the victims to go to the police?Ninoinoz said:
Minions?foxinsoxuk said:
Do you think the Pope and his minions were right to close down the ecclesiastical courts to investigation of child abuse? Was it policy to encourage complainants to contact the civil authorities?Ninoinoz said:
Oooh! From 2005, even worse than TSE.Alistair said:
I choose evidenceNinoinoz said:FPT
Would you be so kind as to provide this "documentary proof"?Alistair said:Foolish TSE, the real villains are not the child abusers or indeed the man who we have documentary proof of encouraging a global cover up of child abuse, or indeed the organisation that then promoted that man to the head role in the org knowing full well he'd organised a cover up.
Or keep your bigoted views to yourself?
Choice is yours.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/apr/24/children.childprotection
I refer you to my earlier answer to TSE.
I knew you article was a crock of shit as well when I read this phrase:
The order was made in a confidential letter, obtained by The Observer, which was sent to every Catholic bishop in May 2001.
That's over 5,000 people.
I will give the answer I used to always give:
If you suffer a crime, go to the police. Not exactly rocket science, is it?
But after Rotherham, I'm not too sure.
Bullshit answer: there is no position of minion in the Catholic Church, therefore you ask the impossible.
Or does co-operation with the civil authorities not extend that far?
They were the witnesses to the offences, after all.0 -
Amazing how only Group C gets criticised by some people, though.Alistair said:Ninoinoz said:Tell me Dr. foxinsoxuk, how are all those investigations into child abuse in the NHS coming along.
Also, how did Jimmy Savile get away with so many sexual assaults at Stoke Mandeville without it becoming public?
Another bigot getting his comeuppance on PB.
Here's a hint. just because group A doeas something bad doesn't mean group C is suddenly beyond criticism. It might suprise you to know that people are capable of thinking both group A and C have done bad things.Ninoinoz said:Tell me Dr. foxinsoxuk, how are all those investigations into child abuse in the NHS coming along.
Also, how did Jimmy Savile get away with so many sexual assaults at Stoke Mandeville without it becoming public?
Another bigot getting his comeuppance on PB.0 -
Jeb Bush is the only Republican that could win the predidency. He's probably the best as well.0
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You appear to have missed out the extensive Catholic church child abuse scandals again. Why? Don't you believe they happened? Or are you just too humiliated and cowardly to stand up and say it was an abomination and the church should have intervened earlier and harder? All child abuse should be prosecuted to the maximum extent the law allows not covered up. Why does the church invest so much time and treasure in covering for child abusers rather than aiding the authorities to prosecute them?Ninoinoz said:
Well, let's take a tour of this wonderful country:saddened said:
The Catholic church does a lot of good. Unfortunately it also does a huge amount of harm as well. Your foot stamping and huffing and puffing does not change that.
BBC (Savile, Denning, Souter, Yewtree, etc.)
NHS (Stoke Mandeville)
Rotherham MBC
Rochdale MBC
Tory Party (see Tim Fortescue for details)
Liberal Democrats (Cyril Smith)
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/08/Exclusive-Lib-Lab-Paedo-Pact-Alleged-in-Rochdale
Music schools
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/26/chelthams-teacher-michael-brewer-jailed
Scouting Association
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/10/scout-association-apologises-for-child-abuse
Prisons
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/medomsley-borstal-sex-ring-police-4576925
MI6
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/home-office-was-warned-by-top-tory-1647786
It's only a hard disk crash that prevents me posting more of my extensive collection of links.
No wonder UKIP scare people; so many people in this country have so much to hide.0 -
Heard of Catholic orphanages in yours?Ninoinoz said:
Heard of parents in your neck of the woods?foxinsoxuk said:
Did the Catholic authorities encourage them to report to the police or social services? Surely that is the responsibility of any adult who is approached with such accusations.Ninoinoz said:
Why didn't the victims?foxinsoxuk said:
So did the Catholic church functionaries report the accusations to the police?Ninoinoz said:
The Catechism of the Catholic Church requires cooperation with the civil authorities over criminal matters.foxinsoxuk said:
So did the Pope's minions encourage the victims to go to the police?Ninoinoz said:
Minions?foxinsoxuk said:
Do you think the Pope and his minions were right to close down the ecclesiastical courts to investigation of child abuse? Was it policy to encourage complainants to contact the civil authorities?Ninoinoz said:
Oooh! From 2005, even worse than TSE.Alistair said:
I choose evidenceNinoinoz said:FPT
Would you be so kind as to provide this "documentary proof"?Alistair said:Foolish TSE, the real villains are not the child abusers or indeed the man who we have documentary proof of encouraging a global cover up of child abuse, or indeed the organisation that then promoted that man to the head role in the org knowing full well he'd organised a cover up.
Or keep your bigoted views to yourself?
Choice is yours.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/apr/24/children.childprotection
I refer you to my earlier answer to TSE.
I knew you article was a crock of shit as well when I read this phrase:
The order was made in a confidential letter, obtained by The Observer, which was sent to every Catholic bishop in May 2001.
That's over 5,000 people.
I will give the answer I used to always give:
If you suffer a crime, go to the police. Not exactly rocket science, is it?
But after Rotherham, I'm not too sure.
Bullshit answer: there is no position of minion in the Catholic Church, therefore you ask the impossible.
Or does co-operation with the civil authorities not extend that far?
They were the witnesses to the offences, after all.0 -
Sorry I didn't mean to imply you were making excuses, just that somebody else did.peter_from_putney said:
I'm certainly not making excuses, I'm simply saying as I find. Maybe I'm wrong.isam said:
We had that excuse used earlier.. can it be so? I thought that, if a poll was not favourable, it wouldn't be published, but how could that work with daily/weekly/monthly ie regular polls?peter_from_putney said:Have we ever had a thread on PB.com to consider whether polls funded by left-leaning organisations (Guardian, Indy, Mirror, Unions, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause and whether polls funded by right-leaning organisations (Sun, Times, Telegraph, Lord Ashcroft, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause.
It certainly seems that way to me, but perhaps I'm imagining it.
Survation and COMRES poll for the Daily Mirror, and their polls are UKIP friendly/The Mirror is probably the least friendly to UKIP
ICM is considered the Gold Standard by many Tories and they poll for The Guardian
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Well first there is no study. As for correlation... I am sure there is correlation between some polls and the people who fund them. That is to the extent that the questions asked can skew things and the methodology as well. I am suspicious of polls. Do they get it right? Well some do and some are more serious about it. But if I fire a shotgun, some of the pellets will hit the target.peter_from_putney said:
I'm certainly not making excuses, I'm simply saying as I find. Maybe I'm wrong.isam said:
We had that excuse used earlier.. can it be so? I thought that, if a poll was not favourable, it wouldn't be published, but how could that work with daily/weekly/monthly ie regular polls?peter_from_putney said:Have we ever had a thread on PB.com to consider whether polls funded by left-leaning organisations (Guardian, Indy, Mirror, Unions, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause and whether polls funded by right-leaning organisations (Sun, Times, Telegraph, Lord Ashcroft, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause.
It certainly seems that way to me, but perhaps I'm imagining it.
Survation and COMRES poll for the Daily Mirror, and their polls are UKIP friendly/The Mirror is probably the least friendly to UKIP
ICM is considered the Gold Standard by many Tories and they poll for The Guardian0 -
Clearly not!nigel4england said:
What, by dead people?foxinsoxuk said:
There have been several convictions recently of NHS personnel, in all cases the NHS actively gathered evidence for the police.Ninoinoz said:Tell me Dr. foxinsoxuk, how are all those investigations into child abuse in the NHS coming along.
Also, how did Jimmy Savile get away with so many sexual assaults at Stoke Mandeville without it becoming public?
Another bigot getting his comeuppance on PB.
I do not work at Stoke Mandeville so have no idea what went on there with the famous Jimmy Saville.
We know that many abused children grow up themselves to be abusers. I do wonder whether Saville was abused himself in childhood.
But his perverted sexual desires seemed to start early in his life. It is possible that Saville's evil tendencies sprang out fully formed in adult life, but there has to be a significant possibility that he was abused himself and that his maladaptive sexual behaviour grew from that.
As the Jesuits say "give me the child until seven and I will give you the man for life"
If we want to understand paedophiles better (so as to be able to stop the cycle of abuse in the next generation) then we have to look for answers in their childhood.
The same is likely to be true of the abuser priests in the Catholic Church. What were their childhood experiences? Did they enter the church specifically to gain access to abusing possibilities? Or was there a struggle in their souls? If there was some internal anguish, how did the church respond?0 -
I agree with all of that.foxinsoxuk said:
Clearly not!nigel4england said:
What, by dead people?foxinsoxuk said:
There have been several convictions recently of NHS personnel, in all cases the NHS actively gathered evidence for the police.Ninoinoz said:Tell me Dr. foxinsoxuk, how are all those investigations into child abuse in the NHS coming along.
Also, how did Jimmy Savile get away with so many sexual assaults at Stoke Mandeville without it becoming public?
Another bigot getting his comeuppance on PB.
I do not work at Stoke Mandeville so have no idea what went on there with the famous Jimmy Saville.
We know that many abused children grow up themselves to be abusers. I do wonder whether Saville was abused himself in childhood.
But his perverted sexual desires seemed to start early in his life. It is possible that Saville's evil tendencies sprang out fully formed in adult life, but there has to be a significant possibility that he was abused himself and that his maladaptive sexual behaviour grew from that.
As the Jesuits say "give me the child until seven and I will give you the man for life"
If we want to understand paedophiles better (so as to be able to stop the cycle of abuse in the next generation) then we have to look for answers in their childhood.
The same is likely to be true of the abuser priests in the Catholic Church. What were their childhood experiences? Did they enter the church specifically to gain access to abusing possibilities? Or was there a struggle in their souls? If there was some internal anguish, how did the church respond?
Actually I used to be into necrophilia until some rotten c*** split on me.0 -
Ed not being regarded as great, or even decent, by many is hardly noteworthy at this point. It's just a question of whether he can win in spite of that.peter_from_putney said:
But barely a word on here about PMQs, despite after all the petty bickering we've seen in the past ..... and all the more surprising considering we're only four and a half months from a General Election.Moses_ said:Just watched PMQ's
.......... I mean even the left leaning people here must have seen Ed was absolutely drilled into the ground. He just was ......he really was. FFS Even BenM must have seen that ....?
Please... Pretty Please with icing on the top and then those little glittery stars shit my duaghter always insisted in spraying on our remnants of the cakes we had tried to make when they came out of the oven burnt............ you have to realise
Eds a dud and not only that .....a very dangerous dud...
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Well, I've never been Roman Catholic clergy, but I seem to be held responsible for their crimes Worldwide.foxinsoxuk said:
There have been several convictions recently of NHS personnel, in all cases the NHS actively gathered evidence for the police.Ninoinoz said:Tell me Dr. foxinsoxuk, how are all those investigations into child abuse in the NHS coming along.
Also, how did Jimmy Savile get away with so many sexual assaults at Stoke Mandeville without it becoming public?
Another bigot getting his comeuppance on PB.
I do not work at Stoke Mandeville so have no idea what went on there with the famous Jimmy Saville.
The truth is child abuse is a social problem, but the template was set by the BBC and TSE's friends that it is somehow a 'Catholic' problem.
Considering the explosion of child abuse scandals in secular organisation recently, it turns out, incredibly, that the RCC is one of better organisations at handling the consequences, certainly in this country.
I never would have believed I could have written the previous sentence only a few short years ago.0 -
A Bush or Clinton ran for Pres or VP in every US Presidential race between 1980 and 2008.0
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Isn't another George Bush currently in minor office in Texas? Presumably there's scope for many more such involvements in the future. Yay.Sunil_Prasannan said:A Bush or Clinton ran for Pres or VP in every US Presidential race between 1980 and 2008.
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peter_from_putney said:
But barely a word on here about PMQs, despite after all the petty bickering we've seen in the past ..... and all the more surprising considering we're only four and a half months from a General Election.Moses_ said:Just watched PMQ's
.......... I mean even the left leaning people here must have seen Ed was absolutely drilled into the ground. He just was ......he really was. FFS Even BenM must have seen that ....?
Please... Pretty Please with icing on the top and then those little glittery stars shit my duaghter always insisted in spraying on our remnants of the cakes we had tried to make when they came out of the oven burnt............ you have to realise
Eds a dud and not only that .....a very dangerous dud...
Yes indeed the silence is rather noted and perhaps many missed the " Kinnock moment" of today's PMQS ..
No ...still not sure?
It was the point and under incoming Miliaband could not defend any part of his or Labours record and then stated and I quote...
" in 5 months time he will be asking the questions and He will be answering them "
Oh really? You think? You reckon ....Ha!
Well awrigggghhtt!! * fist clench in air*0 -
You appear to be unable to say that the Catholic church has a horrific record of child abuse. We all accept that other organisations do as well, but it seems that you are physically incapable of uttering the words that the church has been responsible for child abuse. Why can't you say it?Ninoinoz said:
Well, I've never been Roman Catholic clergy, but I seem to be held responsible for their crimes Worldwide.foxinsoxuk said:
There have been several convictions recently of NHS personnel, in all cases the NHS actively gathered evidence for the police.Ninoinoz said:Tell me Dr. foxinsoxuk, how are all those investigations into child abuse in the NHS coming along.
Also, how did Jimmy Savile get away with so many sexual assaults at Stoke Mandeville without it becoming public?
Another bigot getting his comeuppance on PB.
I do not work at Stoke Mandeville so have no idea what went on there with the famous Jimmy Saville.
The truth is child abuse is a social problem, but the template was set by the BBC and TSE's friends that it is somehow a 'Catholic' problem.
Considering the explosion of child abuse scandals in secular organisation recently, it turns out, incredibly, that the RCC is one of better organisations at handling the consequences, certainly in this country.
I never would have believed I could have written the previous sentence only a few short years ago.0 -
Ninoinoz - Your repeated abusive language has set off the spam trap.
And you've been warned about not to talk about child abuse on PB.
We might consider freeing you in the morning.0 -
My take on the sex abuse stuff is that it's basically revealed a pretty universal flaw in human psychology. We see in others what we want to see and are blind to the stuff that's inconvenient.TheWatcher said:
Presumably your hard drive failed as it was overwhelmed by the number of links to incidents of abuse by members of the Catholic Church.Ninoinoz said:
Well, let's take a tour of this wonderful country:saddened said:
The Catholic church does a lot of good. Unfortunately it also does a huge amount of harm as well. Your foot stamping and huffing and puffing does not change that.
BBC (Savile, Denning, Souter, Yewtree, etc.)
NHS (Stoke Mandeville)
Rotherham MBC
Rochdale MBC
Tory Party (see Tim Fortescue for details)
Liberal Democrats (Cyril Smith)
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/08/Exclusive-Lib-Lab-Paedo-Pact-Alleged-in-Rochdale
Music schools
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/26/chelthams-teacher-michael-brewer-jailed
Scouting Association
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/10/scout-association-apologises-for-child-abuse
Prisons
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/medomsley-borstal-sex-ring-police-4576925
MI6
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/home-office-was-warned-by-top-tory-1647786
It's only a hard disk crash that prevents me posting more of my extensive collection of links.
No wonder UKIP scare people; so many people in this country have so much to hide.
No amount of diversion can distract from the fact that they lead the field.0 -
PBModerator said:
Ninoinoz - Your repeated abusive language has set off the spam trap.
And you've been warned about not to talk about child abuse on PB.
We might consider freeing you in the morning.
Sometimes you really do wish there was an "on demand function" for the late arrivals
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kle4 Jeb's telegenic, half-Hispanic son George P was elected Texas Land Commissioner in November, in the end I don't think Jeb will actually run if Hillary is Democratic nominee where the odds are he will lose, he is just tapping donors and rebranding the Bush brand in his, rather than his brothers', image ready for his son to run in, say, 2024
http://georgepfortexas.org/about/0 -
Oblitus Trump has dropped bug hints he will be the Perot of 2016 if it is Bush v Clinton0
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Jonathan An Obama beats a Clinton0
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Six polls so far this week - simple average = 2.2% Lab lead. Awaiting YG tables to plug into ELBOW - currently 2.0% Lab lead without tonight's YG.TheScreamingEagles said:YouGov is the Gold Standard.
Now off to watch the final ever Newsroom.0 -
An interesting stat on the news this morning - a US citizen 38 or younger has only had 1 election with neither a Clinton or a Bush somewhere on the ticket.0
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2012!Tim_B said:An interesting stat on the news this morning - a US citizen 38 or younger has only had 1 election with neither a Clinton or a Bush somewhere on the ticket.
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Hilarious. You are I mean. He mentions Farage 'who can do no wrong' and Jesus in the same breath.nigel4england said:
The way he carries on is pathetic, his desperation becomes more apparent every passing day.MikeK said:
You and the Telegraph, both, are really desperate to damage UKIP,come what may. Can't even see a tongue in cheek statement for what it is.TheScreamingEagles said:Just when you thought Winston McKenzie couldn't get any funnier.
As I said, UKIP and Farage appear to be a cult (sic)
Nigel Farage is like Jesus Christ and we are his followers, spokesman says
Winston McKenzie compares Ukip leader to Son of God
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11299006/Nigel-Farage-is-like-Jesus-Christ-and-we-are-his-followers-spokesman-says.html
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Fox 2016 general
•Hillary Clinton (D) 49% {52%} [51%] (51%)
•Jeb Bush (R) 42% {39%} [42%] (38%)
•Hillary Clinton (D) 51% {52%} [51%]
•Rand Paul (R) 40% {41%} [42%]
•Hillary Clinton (D) 52% {50%} [50%] (49%)
•Chris Christie (R) 40% {40%} [42%] (38%)
•Hillary Clinton (D) 53% {54%}
•John Kasich (R) 37% {35%}
http://www.argojournal.com/2014/12/poll-watch-fox-news-2016-presidential.html0 -
Perhaps my memory fails me but I'm pretty sure 3-4 years ago that the constant & substantial Yougov leads for Labour were considered by* PB Tories to be down to a surreptitious finger on the scale by Kellner (the loonier ones put it down to his wife, Baroness Ashton).peter_from_putney said:Have we ever had a thread on PB.com to consider whether polls funded by left-leaning organisations (Guardian, Indy, Mirror, Unions, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause and whether polls funded by right-leaning organisations (Sun, Times, Telegraph, Lord Ashcroft, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause.
It certainly seems that way to me, but perhaps I'm imagining it.
O tempora o mores.
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I'm not so sure about Hillary.
The Clinton brand is old - not that Bush is exactly fresh - but she is inextricably linked with Obama as she was his SOS for 4 years. She even tried to bring in health care reform as first lady. There are many many videos of her saying how proud she was to be a member of the Obama administration.
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Fascinating that in its 2008 obituary of Fortiscue the Guardian made no mention of it.TheScreamingEagles said:
No, as I told you at the time, she couldn't comment on the BBC because it was part on an ongoing criminal investigation.Ninoinoz said:
I know you posted her speech before, but would you post the references to child rape at the BBC in that speech. Remember, Jimmy Savile had just been exposed.TheScreamingEagles said:
Crock of shit, in your opinion.Ninoinoz said:
I wondered why this "smoking gun" hadn't been thrust in my face for the last 5 years. Your link is from 2006!TheScreamingEagles said:
In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.Ninoinoz said:FPT
Would you be so kind as to provide this "documentary proof"?Alistair said:Foolish TSE, the real villains are not the child abusers or indeed the man who we have documentary proof of encouraging a global cover up of child abuse, or indeed the organisation that then promoted that man to the head role in the org knowing full well he'd organised a cover up.
Or keep your bigoted views to yourself?
Choice is yours.
The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/pope-led-coverup-of-child-abuse-by-priests-7220621.html
That's because it's a crock of shit.
There is nothing in Crimen Sollicitationis that prevents an accuser going to the civil authorities. It only applies in Ecclesiastical proceedings.
Your statements are outright lies.
And given your rants about Maria Miller's 2012 conference speech being all about gay marriage, when in fact in contained one reference, you're the expect on statements that are outright lies.
I think you'll find none, but let's see.
As we're on the subject, how the investigation into child rape in the Tory Party coming along? The child rapes that Tory Whip Tim Fortescue admitted to covering up and were brought to David Cameron's attention in the HoC.
Your attempts to smear UKIP have backfired badly on you tonight.
Always wrong Nino.
Visit this website, it will help you with your issues
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Poor Nino.PBModerator said:Ninoinoz - Your repeated abusive language has set off the spam trap.
And you've been warned about not to talk about child abuse on PB.
We might consider freeing you in the morning.
The shame of being banned from PB.
Still, it could be worse. At least you're not as bad as this depraved perv;
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well, it's a rum do in America today...
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OK wiki says, not very Japanese0
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I think you are. Specifically, ICM's assumptions are usually more helpful to the LibDems in particular (because they assume half the numerous uncertain LDs will return to Mother in the end) and slightly unhelpful to Labour (as Labour is picking up people who gave up on us last time, and ICM thinks they might not vote).peter_from_putney said:Have we ever had a thread on PB.com to consider whether polls funded by left-leaning organisations (Guardian, Indy, Mirror, Unions, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause and whether polls funded by right-leaning organisations (Sun, Times, Telegraph, Lord Ashcroft, etc) produce results more favourable to their cause.
It certainly seems that way to me, but perhaps I'm imagining it.
More generally, political polls for the general public are just a small part of the pollsters' business - they'd be bonkers to risk their reputation for it. It would, I suppose, be possible for a paper to pick a pollster with helpful assumptions, e.g. the Express might pick Survation because their assumptions tend to lead to a higher UKIP vote. But I really doubt if they're that subtle.
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Man, laying the ground work in America sure can take some time and effort I guess. Cheers for the info.HYUFD said:kle4 Jeb's telegenic, half-Hispanic son George P was elected Texas Land Commissioner in November, in the end I don't think Jeb will actually run if Hillary is Democratic nominee where the odds are he will lose, he is just tapping donors and rebranding the Bush brand in his, rather than his brothers', image ready for his son to run in, say, 2024
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It's what the US does - the classic example is what happened with 'The Satanic Verses'.dugarbandier said:well, it's a rum do in America today...
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TimB/dugarbandier Ridiculous, can't they release it on youtube instead?0
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kle4 Indeed, the most powerful role on earth does not come cheap and has a long audition0
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what happened with Satanic verses in the US?Tim_B said:
It's what the US does - the classic example is what happened with 'The Satanic Verses'.dugarbandier said:well, it's a rum do in America today...
who'd a thought the movie business would cave in to trrrrrists
I hadn't realised that this all happened, too
"With police protection, Rushdie escaped direct physical harm, but others associated with his book have suffered violent attacks. Hitoshi Igarashi, his Japanese translator, was stabbed to death on 11 July 1991. Ettore Capriolo, the Italian translator, was seriously injured in a stabbing in Milan on 3 July 1991.[15] William Nygaard, the publisher in Norway, was shot three times in an attempted assassination in Oslo in October 1993, but survived. Aziz Nesin, the Turkish translator, was the intended target in the events that led to the Sivas massacre on 2 July 1993 in Sivas, Turkey, which resulted in the deaths of 37 people.[16]"
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(I've never read it. I tried "Midnight's Children" a couple of times and found it turgid and gave up both times)0
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"In the United States, it was unavailable in about one-third of bookstores. In many others that carried the book, it was kept under the counter.[29]"0 -
In India (87% non-Muslim!) it was banned from being imported into the country, though possession is not illegal.dugarbandier said:Ah, OK figured it out
"In the United States, it was unavailable in about one-third of bookstores. In many others that carried the book, it was kept under the counter.[29]"0 -
The details are a bit hazy at this point.
As soon as the trouble started, and the fatwa was issued, the US publisher dropped the book like a hot potato, and in breach of contract.
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Slightly more optimistically, the problem seems to be hierarchical organisations that are strong enough for the consensus to bully people into staying quiet: The BBC, the Catholic church, tight-knit ethnic communities that respect their elders. That makes the problem solvable: Destroy communities and institutions.Pong said:
My take on the sex abuse stuff is that it's basically revealed a pretty universal flaw in human psychology. We see in others what we want to see and are blind to the stuff that's inconvenient.TheWatcher said:
Presumably your hard drive failed as it was overwhelmed by the number of links to incidents of abuse by members of the Catholic Church.Ninoinoz said:
Well, let's take a tour of this wonderful country:saddened said:
The Catholic church does a lot of good. Unfortunately it also does a huge amount of harm as well. Your foot stamping and huffing and puffing does not change that.
BBC (Savile, Denning, Souter, Yewtree, etc.)
NHS (Stoke Mandeville)
Rotherham MBC
Rochdale MBC
Tory Party (see Tim Fortescue for details)
Liberal Democrats (Cyril Smith)
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/08/Exclusive-Lib-Lab-Paedo-Pact-Alleged-in-Rochdale
Music schools
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/26/chelthams-teacher-michael-brewer-jailed
Scouting Association
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/10/scout-association-apologises-for-child-abuse
Prisons
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/medomsley-borstal-sex-ring-police-4576925
MI6
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/home-office-was-warned-by-top-tory-1647786
It's only a hard disk crash that prevents me posting more of my extensive collection of links.
No wonder UKIP scare people; so many people in this country have so much to hide.
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George P (Jeb's boy) is Land Commissioner of Texas - and most definitely not a minor post, but the traditional launch pad for Governor...kle4 said:
Isn't another George Bush currently in minor office in Texas? Presumably there's scope for many more such involvements in the future. Yay.Sunil_Prasannan said:A Bush or Clinton ran for Pres or VP in every US Presidential race between 1980 and 2008.
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TimB I will certainly be buying it on DVD now, it could be a collectors' item, and to stand up for free speech and Kim Jong Fat0
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Download a torrent, otherwise the terrorists have won.HYUFD said:TimB/dugarbandier Ridiculous, can't they release it on youtube instead?
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According to Wikipedia:
Although British bookseller W.H. Smith sold "a mere hundred copies a week of the book in mid-January 1989", it "flew off the shelves" following the fatwa. In America it sold an "unprecedented" five times more copies than the number two book, Star by Danielle Steel, selling more than 750,000 copies of the book by May 1989. B. Dalton, a bookstore chain that decided not to stock the book for security reasons, changed its mind when it found the book "was selling so fast that even as we tried to stop it, it was flying off the shelves".[72][73] Rushdie earned about $2 million within the first year of the book's publication,[74] and the book is Viking's all-time best seller.[75]
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That could be fun.HYUFD said:Oblitus Trump has dropped bug hints he will be the Perot of 2016 if it is Bush v Clinton
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Hopefully will have more time to comment in the next few days as the past fortnight has been utterly hectic!
1992 US election parallel with Bush Clinton interesting. But I think the even greater parallel will be a wildcard 3rd party candidate (Donald Trump?) but doing even better than Ross Perot did back in 1992. It will be held a year into the econmy having turned down if Martin Armstrong's great 2015.75 (1st October next year) turn date is correct for a great Sovereign Bond crisis.
As for Russia and the Oil price, its the first big market that has yielded to the 'D' word that I've mentioned so often in the past - Deflation. Looks like we've had an intermediate high in stocks, but I think February / March next year will provide a good intermediate buying opportunity next year. Finally, there are tremors and the ball is rolling with a higher US Dollar as I've been saying for a long time (although it needs to correct some of its recent strength over the next few months) to turn the US and wider world economy down at the end of next year. As always, its going to be one hell of a ride. Fasten the seatbelts tight!
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By minor I had meant below Governor level and not a Congressman or Senator, which admittedly is a pretty wide ranging influence level available.Charles said:
George P (Jeb's boy) is Land Commissioner of Texas - and most definitely not a minor post, but the traditional launch pad for Governor...kle4 said:
Isn't another George Bush currently in minor office in Texas? Presumably there's scope for many more such involvements in the future. Yay.Sunil_Prasannan said:A Bush or Clinton ran for Pres or VP in every US Presidential race between 1980 and 2008.
On 'The Interview', it only looked of middling quality to be honest, but like others I feel it is probably worth checking out now at least. That they had not even bothered with the flimsy cover of using a different name for Un and the country was faintly amusing I'll grant.
Night all.0 -
Oblitus Only question is there a big enough room to accommodate the egos of The Donald, Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush for the debates?0
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Charles Indeed, he could then use the governorship as a Launchpad for the presidency
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Bug hints, eh? Call for the Starship Troopers!OblitusSumMe said:
That could be fun.HYUFD said:Oblitus Trump has dropped bug hints he will be the Perot of 2016 if it is Bush v Clinton
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In the FA Cup replay Worcester City lose to Scunthorpe 14- 13 on penalties after extra time score of 1 -10
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The funny thing is that if they had ignored it, the film would have sunk without traceTim_B said:0 -
NickP Spelling mistake, not yet been hacked by N Korea I hope!0
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That was my initial reaction too (not OM, but stay in power) - but then again, I was old enough to vote in 1992 and remembered the previous Labour governments of the 1970s......I even had pink champagne on ice to toast the brave new Socialist dawn....Easterross said:TSE I read your heading and thought you meant that David Cameron will make a fool of the pollsters by thumping Labour and winning an overall majority.
Here's the Labour Manifesto from 1992:
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That is the funny thing. Being portrayed as kitschy rather than brutal and horrifying ought to be to their advantage.Charles said:
The funny thing is that if they had ignored it, the film would have sunk without traceTim_B said:
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But, being brutal and horrifying, they have a visceral reaction to being mockeddugarbandier said:
That is the funny thing. Being portrayed as kitschy rather than brutal and horrifying ought to be to their advantage.Charles said:
The funny thing is that if they had ignored it, the film would have sunk without traceTim_B said:
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Can anyone offer any advice to someone who's recently got slightly addicted to online betting with Betfair Exchange? The person in question is yours truly btw.0
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If you are married/have a partner get them to set up opendns with a password that you don't know. You can then block access to betting websites.AndyJS said:Can anyone offer any advice to someone who's recently got slightly addicted to online betting with Betfair Exchange? The person in question is yours truly btw.
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Things haven't reached this stage yet, thankfully:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395877/A-terrifying-parable-addictive-power-internet-gambling-It-began-5-online-bet-Then-ex-Major-gambled-away-750-000--family.html0 -
Thanks for the advice.Charles said:
If you are married/have a partner get them to set up opendns with a password that you don't know. You can then block access to betting websites.AndyJS said:Can anyone offer any advice to someone who's recently got slightly addicted to online betting with Betfair Exchange? The person in question is yours truly btw.
https://www.opendns.com/0
