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No cheating.
I love her work, it's one of the gems of PB
Let's see... that'd be 218BC. I am very bad with dates, but I'd guess that's Cannae or Zama.
Shows what false rumour can do
The world is so nuts - don't you love it?
I doubt if many parents objected but they were the important people (in their own mind).
A few lessons namely, check facts , don't get outraged easily and perhaps (to the anti UKIPers) don't throw around cheap insults at them
That said, things like the Ukip candidate in Basildon, or the Emily Thornberry flag tweet, are made out to be the biggest thing to have ever happened, but they soon get forgotten.
Not easy to do imo and that's why its sometimes better to make as fewer a laws in this area as possible.
Win-win-win. Only the school looks foolish.
antifrank said:
"The voting age in the USA is 18 and the drinking age is 21. These anomalies can be found in many countries."
That doesn't make them right. I am sure you are not advocating adopting all of the US political system so it hardly advances your case to pick out bits that you happen to agree with to support your argument.
The basic principle that must apply is that if you consider someone mature enough to bear the responsibilities of choosing who governs the country then you must logically also consider them mature enough to bear all the other responsibilities of adulthood. Picking and choosing just those issues that suit your own political or personal agenda is illogical.
As it stands you are advocating a system where someone is responsible enough to vote but not responsible enough to buy themselves a mobile phone contract.
That is probably more important to a party that wants out of the EU than achieving anything in terms of EU legislature, and the people who voted for them knew that
Marf's cartoon is great. I look forward to the Tory and Labour equivalents.
Don't forget the LibDems, though, Marf. And how about the SNP?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30507467
Better not to draw such maps imo .They could get the artist in trouble and also unfairly portrays UKIP in too juvenile a way
And that is the whole point. They have utterly changed the narrative and in the process helped move us closer to leaving the EU entirely.
As an aside as someone who does research for the anti-EU movement they are also hugely useful to me and others in highlighting the continuing idiocy of the EU which would otherwise be ignored or played down by other UK MEPs.
Secondly, whatever views one has about the right age for people to have the vote quite clearly a significant percentage of parents were in fact too stupid to have a child. Obviously they were capable of the physical act but they were not capable of giving a child the guidance, advice and comprehension of the world needed to produce a competent adult.
If the UK citizenship test does not require applicants to produce at least 2 examples of self mockery on a random subject it is truly not fit for purpose.
Provided a genuine opposition in a rubber stamp "parliament" that, until they came along, made the Volkskammer look confrontational towards the executive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzNSp4aXTxU
Perhaps some of the concened parents should firstly recall words attributed to Voltaire. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Secondly they could be more concerned not so much by ideas of one of UKIP's candidate, but by the inadequate schooling offered by the college.
http://www.castle.kent.sch.uk/assets/Uploads/Files/Newsletter/2012-2013/Ofsted-Report-2.pdf
Might even cause a surge of visits to PB.
Mike, you are going to have her put on a short lead from now on. Perhaps the Moderators could be asked to check all future cartoons to ensure that they are politically correct, unbiased, even-handed, honest, true, inoffensive, pure and give equal status to all parties, including the disadvantaged, the lame, the meek, the humourless and the plug stupid.
Otherwise, she has to go.
Could the BNP use that as a defence or are some people more presumed to be guilty given the same facts ? opens a can of worms and the really stupid actions in this are those that make such maps or make sweeping statements about any party really
The Tory one could contain much of the same as UKIP's to represent the fears of the right wing of the party (or perceptions of their fears), with the SE taken up with a space for the word UKIP and some insulting nickname, with Labour and the LDs maybe just reversed from the UKIP one, but not much of a running theme beside something about Tories in england outside the 'good' bits and Scotland being 'property of Labour Party'.
Contribute to the society you live in and you get a say on how the country is governed as you have shown you value our society.
I see little reason to concern ourselves with the views of those who don't contribute in anyway whatsoever, whether that contribution is by the route of tax or voluntary work within the community
Mr. Away, there's a worrying drive towards censorship, driven by a combination of angry chaps with beards (cf the absence of Mohammed during the Jesus and Mo business) and right-on desperate-to-be-offended-on-your-behalf idiots. We need stronger freedom of speech, including the vital right to take the piss.
We should have our own equivalent of the First Amendment.
I prefer our way of setting constitutional precedents by simply writing a letter to the Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/12/07/opinion/sunday/exposures-detroit-by-air-alex-maclean.html?_r=0
Your best cartoon of the year, so far at least. No such thing as "bad publicity"!
I am as happy to tease kippers as the next man, but this story is ridiculous. It shows the right sort of self-deprecation to post it on Facebook, much the same spirit as my LD membership card with a picture of sandals and socks.
Lighten up! This guy has more insight than most.
a chairman of governers asked to resign after joining UKIP because "Ukip’s policies were against the ethos of the school."?
Are we really becoming the sort of society that demonises legitimate mass membership political parties to the extent that members are excluded from responsible positions in society?
Political opposition is one thing, demonising and bullying is another matter entirely. And that is why I feel moved to come on here and defend UKIP (which I am not a member of and never have been)
You should run off a limited edition of the cartoon, just in case.
Derby 1-2 Chelsea - Craig Bryson (71 mins)
Posted at 21:18
There it is! Derby do give us an entertaining finish! Lovely goal too at the end of a prolonged spell of possession. Johnny Russell sets the ball back to Craig Bryson, edge of the box, he doesn't thrash at it and side-foots the curler in off the far post. Petr Cech had no chance.
We have a game on!
Derby 0-2 Chelsea
Posted at 21:16
Steve McClaren continues with his touchline coaching. An odd night for him to assess I guess- they haven't played badly, far from it, but at the same time Chelsea have been untroubled.
Just classic.
@MichaelLCrick Jane Collins, now an MEP, got a Ukip record 12.2% in Barnsley Central, March 2011; then Ukip record 21.7% in Rotherham, November 2012.
..and in the SYPCC it was neck and neck in Rotherham
Ladbrokes 1/4 Labour
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/rotherham/winning-party
I will lay 1/3 in any size anyone likes
It's bloody annoying really, as one of my problems with some kippers is their inability to not take things so seriously all the time, and to overstate a sense of persecution from the evil LibLbCon MSM establishment machine, but then you get these stories where Kippers have been treated akin to lepers and I therefore have to qualify any such comment with that fact that there is some basis for it. Most inconvenient.
And I'd just like to put in a good word for David L, (I assume it's the same?) who comes over on these pages as decent, civilised, and thoughtful.
And Marf: sock it to em!
The book Starship Troopers is a book of its time, but still apparently very popular in the US military.
I largely agree. I've seen it at the other end of the spectrum - Communists in Germany sacked as postmen and engine-drivers during the Cold War, since "state employees should not have extreme views". In my personal interactions with people with (in my opinion) extreme views of any kind, I've always judged them by what they say and do when they're working with me, not what they think outside the context. I've worked with BNP members on a conservation project and a games project, and a Maoist on a staff representation issue. What they privately thought was absolutely none of my business, and in both cases I only knew it by accident. If a UKIP governor starts trying to insist on a "patriotic" curriculum or the like, I'd be concerned; if not, who cares?
The Maoist's story was curious, though, and perhaps in some ways a counter-example showing that there are some risks in letting extremists take senior positions. I later learned from a mutual friend that he'd been ordered by his party to obtain a senior position in Ciba-Geigy as part of their effort to make a "long march through the institutions" and prepare for the revolution. When he got into management, he found that the party had wound itself up and the revolution was definitively off the menu. He scratched his head, shrugged and simply became a legitimate and highly competent manager.
It's not Marf's subtlest cartoon ever but goodness me it seems to have shot over a few heads. At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious, it's a pop at people who run around with stereotypes in their head, i.e., the sort of people who might just imagine that Kippers really do think like that. David Little and co had no problem seeing it that way, and also laughing at a certain type of Kipper who probably doesn't exist but can be caricatured in that way.
If you and i played with such stereotypes, we'd be in trouble. But Marf's a cartoonist and it's her job to play off them and make them funny. Political correctness has no place in her art.
Senior figures in Whitehall and Downing Street became so fearful that the Scottish independence referendum could lead to the breakup of the United Kingdom that the Queen was asked to make a rare public intervention in the final days of the campaign.
Britain’s most senior civil servant and the Queen’s private secretary crafted a carefully worded intervention by the monarch, as No 10 experienced what one senior official described as “meltdown” in the closing stages of the campaign after polls showed growing support for a yes vote.
The discussions between Sir Jeremy Heywood, the cabinet secretary, and Sir Christopher Geidt for the palace, led the Queen to issue an appeal to the people of Scotland four days before the referendum in September to “think very carefully” before casting their vote.
The delicate negotiations in the runup to the intervention by the Queen, which were described by one senior Whitehall source as a warning to voters that they were facing “a decision filled with foreboding”, are revealed by the Guardian on the final day of a two-part series about the Scottish referendum campaign.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/16/scottish-independence-queen-intervene-yes-vote-fears
Edit. Sorry, just read that again. For the avoidance of doubt I am not David Little.
BTW I think Avalon Hill did a Starship Troopers board-game, did you ever review it? It is not one that I ever played.
The faux outrage every other day in 2014, and the polls that show UKIP as being more disliked than ever, aren't because of UKIP policies or behaviour, but because the party is taking votes from, and lessening the power of, the established parties.. what we are seeing is behaviour caused by fear of losing power
Its the same thought process and behaviour of people that are stereotyped as disliking foreigners.. they are fine with the locals when they go on holiday abroad, but when the economic migrant comes to England and the Englishman thinks his job security, wages etc may be affected, then nasty comments are made
Its not the immigrant himself that is disliked, but the threat he poses to the lifestyle of the establishment/native
There is obviously not a real ideological hatred of UKIP from these parties, as they are trying to out do UKIP on immigration now, and in Camerons case, actually being nasty rather than compassionate to low paid immigrants. If the problem was UKIPs policies, other parties would distance themselves from them
Its not the immigrant himself that is disliked, but the threat he poses to the lifestyle of the establishment/native"
In addition to that, it is also the reason why working class people are generally angrier about immigration than the well off. I shouldn't think they have any more or less of a dislike of foreigners than anyone else in terms of their character, but they are more likely to see them as a threat to their lifestyle than somebody comfortably off, who can afford to be relaxed.
To their credit, to some extent, at least the LDs seemed to see they could not out UKIP UKIP and that it was better to take them on in terms of policy in an attempt to pick up votes by opposing rather than copying UKIP. It didn't work, but it was more honest I feel. They can say UKIP's policies are horrible with greater sincerity I feel.
While I look forward to Tory, Labour & Lib Dem cartoons, if Marf wants to generate publicity and outrage, there is one party of thin skinned humourless 'they're all out to get us' conspiracy mongers I would do first.......go on....you know you want to!
I would disagree about the film. Paul Verhoeven is a very intelligent director, with a serious interest in theology. His musings on the inner drive to fascism are both disturbing and illuminating. There are elements in Starship Troopers that are reminiscent of "Triumph of the Will" only with more gore and naked flesh!
I have seen most of Verhoevens works and this film fits well within his other works contemplating the fallen nature of man, in keeping with his rather Calvinist worldview. I even like "Showgirls" despite the ridiculous swimming pool scene.
The faux outrage every other day in 2014, and the polls that show UKIP as being more disliked than ever, aren't because of UKIP policies or behaviour, but because the party is taking votes from, and lessening the power of, the established parties.. what we are seeing is behaviour caused by fear of losing power
Its the same thought process and behaviour of people that are stereotyped as disliking foreigners.. they are fine with the locals when they go on holiday abroad, but when the economic migrant comes to England and the Englishman thinks his job security, wages etc may be affected, then nasty comments are made
Its not the immigrant himself that is disliked, but the threat he poses to the lifestyle of the establishment/native
There is obviously not a real ideological hatred of UKIP from these parties, as they are trying to out do UKIP on immigration now, and in Camerons case, actually being nasty rather than compassionate to low paid immigrants. If the problem was UKIPs policies, other parties would distance themselves from them
This is a personal view only take it as you will
The established parties have been around too long and have lost sight of why they were formed in the first place. They exist only to provide a power base for those at the top and those people are willing to sell party principles out if it means getting the keys to power.
This is not to say their grassroots are the same which is why there is so much grumbling in all the three main parties activist base, whether it is not right wing enough or left wing enough.
David Little (UKIP) does, I believe, post on PB but I have no idea under which name. And if he doesn't actually post, he certainly lurks, because he is on record as being a fan of Marf's cartoons.
I concur with my esteemed co-poster, Toms, regarding your own posts. Feel free to blush.
@foxinsoxuk
Agreed. Much more going on in the film than many might think at first glance.
My neighbours who are mainly muslim or hindu or sikh for example often push christmas cards through my door on the assumption I am a christian just as I wish them a happy eid or diwali
As always the English are generally okay and laid back whatever their ethnic background and it is only a few busybodies causing trouble.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-30378437