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  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,576

    What's a hooker?
    Found on the front row of the scrum, between the tight-head and the loose-head.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,771

    Pensioners have been mollycoddled for far too long.

    We’re all in this together.

    We had a PM in Boris Johnson that dressed like a scruff, it’s good for the UK for a PM to wear the best.
    It's kind of tough to tell a scruff the big mistake he's making.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,576

    Indeed. I don't really get this 'story' at all. Where is the sleaze here? If a very rich Labour peer wants to pay for the first lady's wardrobe so she looks good on the international stage, why shouldn't he?

    If he has demanded anything in return for that (e.g. favours etc) then that's a different matter, but as far as I can see there is no suggestion he has.

    Granted, Sir Keir has made an apparent blunder by only declaring his own clobber and not Victoria's – but that would seem to be fairly small beer, an administrative cockup.

    Watergate it ain't.
    Wasn't access to No 10 granted?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,755

    I can, but then I have a keen eye for this.
    See the second half of my comment above :wink:

    When I was young, putting a lot of effort (and certainly a lot of time and/or expense) into your appearance was a bit frowned upon. You were expected, if possible, to achieve a certain level of cleanliness and/or personal hygiene, but anything more than that was a bit suspect - a bit 'look at me'. Actually, I say 'when I was young', I suspect most of men of my generation still think that way.
  • Well lots of people can. You might not be interested in fashion but lots of people are and can easily tell the difference.
    And some of those complaining about wardrobegate would be the first to complain if Dowdy Lady S were to let Britain down by being frumpy on the world stage. It would be better if we weren't like that as a country, but right now we are.

    Yes, it should have been declared sooner rather than later. Yes, that failure is a bad thing. No, it's nowhere near the level of obscurity of some previous PMs.

    As for why Blair got a honeymoon from the press and Starmer hasn't, you would have to ask the press that.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,576

    Yes, I think the Starmers always look smart and well turned out for whatever event they attend. Johnson was an embarrassing slob. Angela Rayner has commented on that many times: that she wouldn't dream of turning up for work without brushing her hair. Why should he get away with it?
    I don't agree with it, but being scruffy was part of Johnson's image. The bumbling, the incoherence etc.
    I'm reminded that Frankie Howard used to carefully script his "ooh no" and looks to camera etc. What looked like ad lib was actually tightly controlled.

    You can definitely argue that the PM of the country ought to be smart.
  • Indeed. I don't really get this 'story' at all. Where is the sleaze here? If a very rich Labour peer wants to pay for the first lady's wardrobe so she looks good on the international stage, why shouldn't he?

    If he has demanded anything in return for that (e.g. favours etc) then that's a different matter, but as far as I can see there is no suggestion he has.

    Granted, Sir Keir has made an apparent blunder by only declaring his own clobber and not Victoria's – but that would seem to be fairly small beer, an administrative cockup.

    Watergate it ain't.
    One of the reasons for paying MPs and ministers a salary is so that they can afford to pay their own way, and they aren't dependent on the largesse of wealthy donors. It's why PMs have the use of Number Ten and Chequers. They are paid by the people, and beholden to the people.

    They shouldn't be receiving personal donations of money from wealthy people. It's just so obviously wrong in terms of buying influence.

    A fashion label giving them freebies in exchange for exposure is different, but now that they have transgressed it all gets bundled up together.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,417

    A rugby player would fit in a phone box?
    A scrum half would.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,938
    eek said:

    I really don't see the problem with a supplier providing Lady Starmer with free clothing in the hope that the publicity will result in additional sales.

    The problem is not with the provider - whether they are seeking good PR, or seeking to lobby, or just being nice. Business is business.

    The problem is with the taker, though this may not feel fair, because on account of the uncontrolled chaos of the Tory party the expectations of the new government were exceptionally high in respect of old fashioned boring morality, honesty, communication skill and competence. And OTOH I think Labour and the leadership had fed those expectations, and garnered votes as being not the new Blair but the new Attlee.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,856
    Sandpit said:

    Six months suspended for Edwards.

    Definitely no two-tier justice system, not at all, now move along please, nothing to see here…

    Yes judges have white working class Farage voters making dodgy social media posts to jail.

    (Though to be fair to Edwards he pled guilty and has no previous so was probably a fair sentence even if he is an upper middle class liberal)
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,243

    Of course you won't

    Our daughter had a miscarriage before her first was born, and that upsets her even today no matter she has 21 and 15 year daughter and son
    I'm sorry to hear that. We have had three, but we learned to accept those by the simple fact that, had they not happened, we would not have any of the three children we have today.* We'd have different children, sure, but to regret the miscarriages is to regret the chain of events that led to us having the three children that we love.

    *the timings were such that we would not have the same children, the largest gap between due date for miscarriage and birth was approx one year - with a larger gap between miscarriage and child, that may not, of course, apply
  • Wasn't access to No 10 granted?
    Labour peer since 1998, long-term donor, friend of friends of the Blair government... I doubt that the No 10 pass was linked to the clothes.
  • And some of those complaining about wardrobegate would be the first to complain if Dowdy Lady S were to let Britain down by being frumpy on the world stage. It would be better if we weren't like that as a country, but right now we are.

    Yes, it should have been declared sooner rather than later. Yes, that failure is a bad thing. No, it's nowhere near the level of obscurity of some previous PMs.

    As for why Blair got a honeymoon from the press and Starmer hasn't, you would have to ask the press that.
    Nearly four million votes and 10pp is why.

    If the polls before the campaign had been right, and Starmer had received more than 40% of the vote, his coverage would be different.
  • HYUFD said:

    So Trump could never be elected President more than twice. If Vance was GOP candidate in 2028 if he and Trump won in November he would pick another VP candidate anyway
    In which case Trump would run a different proxy against him, who *would* pick Donald as VP.

    Vance's prime job at the moment is being a political bodyguard to Trump; an additional assurance against impeachment.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Wasn't access to No 10 granted?
    He got a temporary pass for No. 10 at some point. Is this forbidden to Labour peers? And in what way is it related to Lady Vic's dresses?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,765
    edited September 2024
    algarkirk said:

    The problem is not with the provider - whether they are seeking good PR, or seeking to lobby, or just being nice. Business is business.

    The problem is with the taker, though this may not feel fair, because on account of the uncontrolled chaos of the Tory party the expectations of the new government were exceptionally high in respect of old fashioned boring morality, honesty, communication skill and competence. And OTOH I think Labour and the leadership had fed those expectations, and garnered votes as being not the new Blair but the new Attlee.
    Spot on. One of Starmer's selling points compared with the previous lot is that he was 'squeaky clean'. It doesn't really matter what the reality is - it's the perception that counts. He shouldn't accept gifts from anybody, in any form, including football tickets. He's got enough money to buy what he wants/needs.
  • Well lots of people can. You might not be interested in fashion but lots of people are and can easily tell the difference.
    I am about as far from a fashionista as it is possible to get, but I think it's more complex than that. The cost of an outfit is far less important than how you wear it. A cheap £150 suit from a High Street shop that has been cheaply adjusted to fit, and which the wearer knows how to wear, can look much 'better' than a £1,500 suit worn by a slob. Also, accessories matter: wearing the right-coloured tie or shoes for the main material.

    It's not just the outfit; it's how the outfit is worn. Much less attention is spent on how an outfit is worn than how much it costs. Because that's difficult and takes skill; cost doesn't.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Cookie said:

    See the second half of my comment above :wink:

    When I was young, putting a lot of effort (and certainly a lot of time and/or expense) into your appearance was a bit frowned upon. You were expected, if possible, to achieve a certain level of cleanliness and/or personal hygiene, but anything more than that was a bit suspect - a bit 'look at me'. Actually, I say 'when I was young', I suspect most of men of my generation still think that way.
    Maybe that is true, but it's hardly something to be proud of, is it?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,275

    Don’t repeat that bollocks.

    Man given two-year suspended sentence for possessing more than 62,000 indecent images of children

    https://www.hampshire.police.uk/news/hampshire/news/news/2023/april/man-given-two-year-suspended-sentence-for-possessing-more-than-62000-indecent-images-of-children/
    According to BBC website the court must also decide whether an offence falls into the category of possession, distribution or production. I've not followed the Edward's case or the one that you link to but - I think - Edwards produced whereas the offender you linked to possessed. One would think the former far more serious?
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,243

    The classic was a “Cow Lane”, near Oxford. Which has a mention in the Doomsday Book, IIRC, for having cows driven along it.

    Yes, people move there and complain.
    My brother used to live about 25m from 'Cutthroat Lane' and walk along it frequently. I still think he'd have had cause to complain if someone came up behind him with a knife :open_mouth:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,438

    Caesar’s wife must be above suspicion.

    As a former lawyer and DPP he should have countless ethics briefings about this.

    I give this briefing regularly, I am happy to brief the Starmers on this, my rates are reasonable.
    You can probably dispense fashion advice, too.
    Although that's likely overly costly.
  • Selebian said:

    My brother used to live about 25m from 'Cutthroat Lane' and walk along it frequently. I still think he'd have had cause to complain if someone came up behind him with a knife :open_mouth:
    Probably euphemistically renamed. On those silly knot boards you see in nautical themed pubs the thing labelled "cut splice" is pretty obviously not called that.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Nearly four million votes and 10pp is why.

    If the polls before the campaign had been right, and Starmer had received more than 40% of the vote, his coverage would be different.
    Not this nonsense AGAIN, surely? Labour banned – banned! – their MPs campaigning in safe seats. To the point that as soon as their canvassing app picked up any responses from their heartland seats, HQ would immediately call the canvasser for a meeting without coffee.

    They willingly that their national share of the vote slide to ensure they piled up votes where they needed them. They played FPP as the rules of the game imply. You might dislike the rules, but they are the rules. The wise man plays the game to win under the rules as they are, not how some people would wish them to be.

    Result:

    Labour 411
    Conservative 121
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,535

    What's a hooker?
    A rugby player m’lud. In proper rugby he wears a no.9 shirt. In boring rugby he wears a no.2 shirt.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Also great fun watching smarty Starter licking up to Italian PM Melons. Very refreshing to see the GE actually saw the reelection of a traditional Story government. Hypocrisy rules ok!😂😂😂
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,243
    mercator said:

    Probably euphemistically renamed. On those silly knot boards you see in nautical themed pubs the thing labelled "cut splice" is pretty obviously not called that.
    Well, indeed. Allegedly a contraction of 'Cut Athwart Lane', but that's no fun :disappointed:
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,938
    stodge said:

    That's a fascinating kneejerk response.

    Far more than any dubious notions of "woke", the term "nanny state" has done untold damage. Sometimes, and I say this with all due deference to the libertarians and the other so-called "defenders of free speech" here, people need to be told what to do and people need to be told what's good for them.

    Now, what individuals choose to do with the information provided is up to them but not providing the information for fear of being labelled "interfering" or whatever is just plain wrong.

    While we're on about freedom of speech, I saw Anne Widdecombe on her hobby horse about the "right to offend" and the "right to be offended". In theory, yes, in practice, no. The problem is the right to offend is too often used by the same people to offned/demonise other individuals/groups who don't have the right to reply or respond. GBN gives the likes of Widdecombe, Farage, Dolan and others a platform - I think it should be compelled to provide an equal amount of broadcasting time to their opponents.

    We have free speech - we don't have fair speech. Too many voices remain excluded because they don't share the views of the wealthy or the powerful. The plural part of plural democracy remains lacking - even on here, I suspect a disproportionately large number of posts are made by a disproportionately small number of posters.
    Free speech in some sense is more or less possible (subject to the interminable discussions about what is excluded), but at least as an idea we can work towards it.

    Fair speech is not a thing that can be worked towards except by accident. But by accident the internet has enabled every single voice, including an infinity of voices with little or nothing useful to say, to have access to a global audience.

    Once that is the case, other forces like chance and luck take over. There may well be a particular narrow pattern to PB posters, and a stark variation in how many posts are made by whom. But the forum (SFAICS) is open to all without limit.

    Having to right to free speech is one thing. Worth being listened to is quite another. Pyongyang Times, Stormfront and Russia Today are all freely available. If 'fair speech' means I have to access them, no thank you.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,438
    Good article by Anne Applebaum, looking at the situation in the US in light of her experience of the Polish judicial crisis.

    Poland, narrowly, managed to overthrow at the ballot box a government sliding into authoritarianism. The judicial system remains a compromised mess.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/10/judicial-independence-judge-aileen-cannon-trump/679561/?gift=hVZeG3M9DnxL4CekrWGK3wT8mMlv9SBR61mcCYYk8O0&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    ...one element of the Polish experience might be relevant: the speed with which norms and conventions can shift, and the depth of the disorientation that can follow. Consider what we have seen or learned in just the past few months and years. Two Supreme Court justices were accepting large, undisclosed gifts from people who might have had an interest in their jurisprudence; the wife of one of those justices played a role in seeking to overturn the results of the 2020 election; more than one justice misled Congress during confirmation hearings about their intentions to overturn Roe v. Wade ; money and lobbyists have played an enormous role in the transformation of the Court; the Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell broke convention to block one nomination and then enable another; and now that Republican-dominated Court has extended immunity to a Republican ex-president who has broken the law—all of this has had a cumulative and damaging effect. The Supreme Court and all other federal courts now appear to both halves of the polarized political spectrum to be weaker, more political, easier to manipulate, less bound to the Constitution. A Gallup poll conducted in July showed that a yawning gap has emerged between the 15 percent of Democrats who still approve of the Court and the 66 percent of Republicans who do. Overall, respect for the courts is at historic lows...

    ...Now imagine a second Trump presidency, during which dozens more Aileen Cannons are appointed to the courts—dozens more minimally qualified people who believe their role is to defend the president or avenge his enemies, not to defend the rule of law. Then imagine another president, a Democrat, elected in 2028, who feels no obligation to adhere to the decisions made by these highly partisan courts. Or imagine a contested 2028 election in which Vice President J. D. Vance backs insurrectionists attempting to prevent the lawful transfer of power, as he has said he would have done in 2020—when courts rejected dozens of claims from Trump’s legal advisers who sought to overturn the result. What if, in 2028 and 2029, courts were to rule in the opposite direction, with the intention of helping install an unelected president?...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,438

    Found on the front row of the scrum, between the tight-head and the loose-head.
    Is this another Nick Palmer anecdote ?
  • Not this nonsense AGAIN, surely? Labour banned – banned! – their MPs campaigning in safe seats. To the point that as soon as their canvassing app picked up any responses from their heartland seats, HQ would immediately call the canvasser for a meeting without coffee.

    They willingly that their national share of the vote slide to ensure they piled up votes where they needed them. They played FPP as the rules of the game imply. You might dislike the rules, but they are the rules. The wise man plays the game to win under the rules as they are, not how some people would wish them to be.

    Result:

    Labour 411
    Conservative 121
    You may believe that the number of votes received and where was mainly due to local canvassing efforts and strategic brilliance, but my suspicion is that the national shares of the vote are mainly due to the national collective mood. On that metric Starmer and Labour performed poorly, and were saved only by the catastrophic - worst result in two hundred years - performance of their principal rival.

    Obviously Labour were right to concentrate their campaigning efforts where those would make the most difference, but the idea they would have received millions more votes had they sent canvassers into safe seats is risible.

    It's such a pathetic denial. It demeans you and everyone who repeats the argument.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,438

    In which case Trump would run a different proxy against him, who *would* pick Donald as VP.

    Vance's prime job at the moment is being a political bodyguard to Trump; an additional assurance against impeachment.
    Vance's backers have their own agenda, which overlaps, but is not identical to that of Trump.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,243
    felix said:

    Also great fun watching smarty Starter licking up to Italian PM Melons. Very refreshing to see the GE actually saw the reelection of a traditional Story government. Hypocrisy rules ok!😂😂😂

    I think (hope!) you've got autocorrect issues there!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    You may believe that the number of votes received and where was mainly due to local canvassing efforts and strategic brilliance, but my suspicion is that the national shares of the vote are mainly due to the national collective mood. On that metric Starmer and Labour performed poorly, and were saved only by the catastrophic - worst result in two hundred years - performance of their principal rival.

    Obviously Labour were right to concentrate their campaigning efforts where those would make the most difference, but the idea they would have received millions more votes had they sent canvassers into safe seats is risible.

    It's such a pathetic denial. It demeans you and everyone who repeats the argument.
    I know from the ground that that is what happened. What I have told you about the system is true. If you wish to harp on regardless for reasons known only to yourself, up to you.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,148
    edited September 2024

    I know from the ground that that is what happened. What I have told you about the system is true. If you wish to harp on regardless for reasons known only to yourself, up to you.
    Like I said, Labour were right to concentrate their campaigning resources where they would make the most difference.

    Do you honestly believe they would have got 40% of the vote if they'd sent canvassers into safe seats instead?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,755

    Maybe that is true, but it's hardly something to be proud of, is it?
    I kind of think it is. We used to consider vanity a vice rather than a virtue. We used to consider showing off something to be dissuaded. We used to mock peacockery. A certain parsimoniousness whn it comes to one's appearance seems to me to be something to be applauded.
    By which I don't necessarily mean turning up in a t-shirt riven with holes and ketchup stains. But I rather disdain the mindset which thinks it acceptable to spend £1000 a year or more on one's own appearance. It seems frivolous.
    Do you remember the book of sports lists? I remember a list in it of sportsmen who cared rather too much for their own appearance - it included, I think, Peter Shilton, who would drive to a city 30 miles away for his particular needs for a haircut, and, possibly, Kevin Keegan, who spent rather more than the then-quite-daring £5 a month on a haircut. And someone who spent a lot on clothes, no doubt. But the fact that ten such people could be picked out showed how comparatively rare that sort of vanity was in those days. If you made a list now of sportsmen who cared too much for their own appearance you'd be here until doomsday.

  • NEW THREAD

  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,755

    Like I said, Labour were right to concentrate their campaigning resources where they would make the most difference.

    Do you honestly believe they would have got 40% of the vote if they'd sent canvassers into safe seats instead?
    I think I agree with LostPassword here. If canvassing makes a difference - and it's not obvious to me that the difference is massive - and there is a finite amount of canvassing to be done - then it seems obvious that it impacts where the votes are, rather than the number of votes. Different tactics might have resulted in differently located votes and therefore a different number of seats, but the same overall percentage of the vote.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Like I said, Labour were right to concentrate their campaigning resources where they would make the most difference.

    Do you honestly believe they would have got 40% of the vote if they'd sent canvassers into safe seats instead?
    What is so magical about 40%? Why not 50%? Or 60%? I assume you are a fan of PR, so surely you’d seek a higher proportion for such a high proportion of the seats?

    I don’t know what the return would have been if Labour had (stupidly) chased share rather than seats. Didn’t Corbo get 40% or close to it? Yet he lost as he piled up Labour votes in places they didn’t need them, tacking towards lefties in their heartlands. Starmer did the opposite and won big.

    DYOR.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Cookie said:

    I kind of think it is. We used to consider vanity a vice rather than a virtue. We used to consider showing off something to be dissuaded. We used to mock peacockery. A certain parsimoniousness whn it comes to one's appearance seems to me to be something to be applauded.
    By which I don't necessarily mean turning up in a t-shirt riven with holes and ketchup stains. But I rather disdain the mindset which thinks it acceptable to spend £1000 a year or more on one's own appearance. It seems frivolous.
    Do you remember the book of sports lists? I remember a list in it of sportsmen who cared rather too much for their own appearance - it included, I think, Peter Shilton, who would drive to a city 30 miles away for his particular needs for a haircut, and, possibly, Kevin Keegan, who spent rather more than the then-quite-daring £5 a month on a haircut. And someone who spent a lot on clothes, no doubt. But the fact that ten such people could be picked out showed how comparatively rare that sort of vanity was in those days. If you made a list now of sportsmen who cared too much for their own appearance you'd be here until doomsday.

    Do you apply these hairshirt morals to women too, or just men?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,148
    edited September 2024

    What is so magical about 40%? Why not 50%? Or 60%? I assume you are a fan of PR, so surely you’d seek a higher proportion for such a high proportion of the seats?

    I don’t know what the return would have been if Labour had (stupidly) chased share rather than seats. Didn’t Corbo get 40% or close to it? Yet he lost as he piled up Labour votes in places they didn’t need them, tacking towards lefties in their heartlands. Starmer did the opposite and won big.

    DYOR.
    Like I said, you're in denial of how little popularity Starmer has.

    Corbyn, of course, was so unpopular that he lost two elections, one to May and the other to Johnson.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,158
    ...

    He got a temporary pass for No. 10 at some point. Is this forbidden to Labour peers? And in what way is it related to Lady Vic's dresses?
    I believe Mrs Starmer should buy her own frocks. Has she never been to Zara?

    That said, those on here trying to equate this with Johnson's wallpaper, Jenrick spooning Desmond or the industrial scale PPE scandal are having as big a laugh as they were when they tried convincing us a beer and a curry in Durham was worse than Johnson living it large in Downing Street whilst the Queen buried her husband.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,077
    carnforth said:

    I'm not sure it was ever given as a motive by the government.

    From memory, the Guardian interviewed a scientist, asking if it was possible to use them as such (because Gallileo was in the news due to Brexit) then wrote it up as a "Stupid Brexit Britain bought the wrong satellites" story, which of course Centrist Dad twitter loved.
    Using LEO constellation satellites for navigation is perfectly possible.

    In fact, around the time of the OneWeb purchase, someone demonstrated that you could use the Starlink signals for exactly that - not getting GPS data from the satellites, but using the satellites own positions to generate a ground position.
  • Unrelated really - and apologies if someone has already linked it - but BBC4 repeated the Project last night and it is on iPlayer (https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m00232yx/the-project).

    Story surrounds the long time leftwing opposition party sacrificing principles to get them into power. Once in power they throw vulnerable groups under the bus for limited savings and then they water down pre-election promises.

    Bit historic really and obviously couldn’t happen today.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,243

    I know from the ground that that is what happened. What I have told you about the system is true. If you wish to harp on regardless for reasons known only to yourself, up to you.
    It's easily tested, surely? Not the canvassing effect, but the (change in) Lab vote share in safe versus marginal seats?

    If what you say is true (and it's broadly what I believe) then there should be a clear effect. Now, a Labour party that truly enthused would rack up big votes everywhere, but I don't think many dispute that the Conservatives lost the election and Lab, partly in response to the conservatives imploding, ran a competent, safety first campaign to ensure victory
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,100

    A rugby position.
    And the game ends. If you had said a Number 2, we could have kept it going a while ;)
  • Nigelb said:

    Vance's backers have their own agenda, which overlaps, but is not identical to that of Trump.
    True. However Vance without Trump (indeed, *against* Trump) is nothing like a credible presidential candidate.
  • Not this nonsense AGAIN, surely? Labour banned – banned! – their MPs campaigning in safe seats. To the point that as soon as their canvassing app picked up any responses from their heartland seats, HQ would immediately call the canvasser for a meeting without coffee.

    They willingly that their national share of the vote slide to ensure they piled up votes where they needed them. They played FPP as the rules of the game imply. You might dislike the rules, but they are the rules. The wise man plays the game to win under the rules as they are, not how some people would wish them to be.

    Result:

    Labour 411
    Conservative 121
    Careful, you'll have @Casino_Royale on your case!!
  • Indeed. I don't really get this 'story' at all. Where is the sleaze here? If a very rich Labour peer wants to pay for the first lady's wardrobe so she looks good on the international stage, why shouldn't he?

    If he has demanded anything in return for that (e.g. favours etc) then that's a different matter, but as far as I can see there is no suggestion he has.

    Granted, Sir Keir has made an apparent blunder by only declaring his own clobber and not Victoria's – but that would seem to be fairly small beer, an administrative cockup.

    Watergate it ain't.
    The donor received access to Number 10 that he wouldn't have received otherwise - that's fairly straightforward cash for access, though I think it's very unlikely he'd have achieved any major change in Government policy with his access.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,319
    edited September 2024

    What is so magical about 40%? Why not 50%? Or 60%? I assume you are a fan of PR, so surely you’d seek a higher proportion for such a high proportion of the seats?

    I don’t know what the return would have been if Labour had (stupidly) chased share rather than seats. Didn’t Corbo get 40% or close to it? Yet he lost as he piled up Labour votes in places they didn’t need them, tacking towards lefties in their heartlands. Starmer did the opposite and won big.

    DYOR.
    I've done my own research. For example:

    Is there a relationship between turnout and marginality?

    Overall, there was no relationship between turnout and the size of a winning margin.


    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/2024-general-election-marginality/

    My conclusion? It's very unlikely that Labour could have got a much higher vote share if they hadn't "banned campaigning" in safe seats.
  • Tone deaf Starmer strikes again.

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1835758241952776641

    NEW: Keir Starmer says he wouldn't be able to watch Arsenal play if nobody paid for his tickets

    "Never going to an Arsenal game again because I can't accept hospitality is pushing it a bit far."
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