Corbyn’s approach to dating is totes amazeballs – politicalbetting.com

System · September 8

Corbyn’s approach to dating is totes amazeballs – politicalbetting.com

This bit, from a motorbike trip to France, is even funnier: pic.twitter.com/71sHn7kG3X

TheScreamingEagles · September 8

A few years ago I promised my then partner for Valentine's Day a present that no other woman had ever received on Valentine's Day.

I gave her a bottle of toilet duck.

(In my defence, the toilet duck wasn't the only present that weekend.)

IanB2 · September 8

Second

DavidL · September 8

I'm very glad to see that Diane Abbot has retained a sense of humour and the ridiculous. When she was getting a lot of abuse in the run up to the election she seemed something of a lost soul and, frankly, a completely inappropriate target.

I don't agree with her politics or some of her values but she has been a character, no doubt about it.

kjh · September 8

TheScreamingEagles said:
A few years ago I promised my then partner for Valentine's Day a present that no other woman had ever received on Valentine's Day.

I gave her a bottle of toilet duck.

(In my defence, the toilet duck wasn't the only present that weekend.)

We have a running joke in our house regarding the Christmas presents I buy my wife. It was the highlight of her work colleagues each year to discover what she had got. The most famous was the toilet brush shaped like a duck, but also a hoover, washing m/c, step ladder, stiff brush, smoke alarms, paint brushes, etc. She asks for diamonds, but I think she might be disappointed if she got them.

FF43 · September 8

Diane Abbott appears to have had an interesting life and an unusually good sense of humour for a politician.

Stuartinromford · September 8

DavidL said:
I'm very glad to see that Diane Abbot has retained a sense of humour and the ridiculous. When she was getting a lot of abuse in the run up to the election she seemed something of a lost soul and, frankly, a completely inappropriate target.

I don't agree with her politics or some of her values but she has been a character, no doubt about it.

The people of Hackney and Stoke Newington seem genuinely fond of her on a personal level, and she has the sort of voice that ought to be part of Parliament. Starmer shouldn't have kept her hanging so long before the election.

Wouldn't want her as a minister, or her views enacted, but that's a different matter.

Andy_JS · September 8

FF43 said:
Diane Abbott appears to have had an interesting life and an unusually good sense of humour for a politician.

She's always been my favourite MP from the Labour left.

Andy_JS · September 8

If you're hard pressed for money the best way to watch test cricket is to go on the 5th day. Well, good luck with that with this England team. You might get one or two chances each year.

TimS · September 8

kjh said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
A few years ago I promised my then partner for Valentine's Day a present that no other woman had ever received on Valentine's Day.

I gave her a bottle of toilet duck.

(In my defence, the toilet duck wasn't the only present that weekend.)
We have a running joke in our house regarding the Christmas presents I buy my wife. It was the highlight of her work colleagues each year to discover what she had got. The most famous was the toilet brush shaped like a duck, but also a hoover, washing m/c, step ladder, stiff brush, smoke alarms, paint brushes, etc. She asks for diamonds, but I think she might be disappointed if she got them.

I got my wife a band-saw for Christmas last year.

OldKingCole · September 8

Andy_JS said:
If you're hard pressed for money the best way to watch test cricket is to go on the 5th day. Well, good luck with that with this England team. You might get one or two chances each year.

Well, there’s no chance of a 5th days play in this Test. Unless it rains all day on Monday!

Anabobazina · September 8

Andy_JS said:

FF43 said:
Diane Abbott appears to have had an interesting life and an unusually good sense of humour for a politician.
She's always been my favourite MP from the Labour left.

Hilarious account. I might buy her book after reading that.

Casino_Royale · September 8

Corbyn's identity is his dogma.

He has nothing else.

Anabobazina · September 8

OldKingCole said:

Andy_JS said:
If you're hard pressed for money the best way to watch test cricket is to go on the 5th day. Well, good luck with that with this England team. You might get one or two chances each year.
Well, there’s no chance of a 5th days play in this Test. Unless it rains all day on Monday!

Which it isn’t going to do. I don’t see why tests going five days should be desirable really. The fifth day should only be needed in case of bad weather, if the wicket is prepared properly, for an even shot of bat and ball.

TimS · September 8

Anabobazina said:

OldKingCole said:

Andy_JS said:
If you're hard pressed for money the best way to watch test cricket is to go on the 5th day. Well, good luck with that with this England team. You might get one or two chances each year.
Well, there’s no chance of a 5th days play in this Test. Unless it rains all day on Monday!

Which it isn’t going to do. I don’t see why tests going five days should be desirable really. The fifth day should only be needed in case of bad weather, if the wicket is prepared properly, for an even shot of bat and ball.

I’m old enough to remember the debate in the 1990s about how 3-day first class matches weren’t setting England’s players up properly for the patience and tactics of test cricket. Too many rushed innings and risky declarations to force a result. That’s one reason they moved to 4 days. Funny how things change.

kle4 · September 8

It's nice they remained such close friends and colleagues after all this time.

Not sure anyone should really be sticking it out as an MP for so long, but Parliament was a very different place in the 80s, and I'm sure she has some very interesting stories to tell about it.

kle4 · September 8

Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn's identity is his dogma.

He has nothing else.

He was too rigid for a front bench position. There are positives to not being a blank, shapechanging political automaton, that did help him with many people, but he could never credibly present as flexible or willing to change his mind about anything in response to evidence (which is not to say he would never have tried) when the basis of his appeal was that of the person who had not changed his positions and was right all along.

Eabhal · September 8

Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn's identity is his dogma.

He has nothing else.

40% in 2017. I don't think we spend enough time discussing the reasons behind that extraordinary result.

viewcode · September 8

Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.

DecrepiterJohnL · September 8

Eabhal said:

Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn's identity is his dogma.

He has nothing else.
40% in 2017. I don't think we spend enough time discussing the reasons behind that extraordinary result.

CCHQ did which is why the popular bits of JC's 2017 campaign turned up in Boris's.

kle4 · September 8

Eabhal said:

Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn's identity is his dogma.

He has nothing else.
40% in 2017. I don't think we spend enough time discussing the reasons behind that extraordinary result.

I think it gets brought up plenty. There was Brexit, there was austerity, there was the May campaign, there was his galvinisation of the Labour left and corresponding lack of dislike from the centrist public (though not centrist MPs) which was definitely there in 2019, his genial manner leading to a decent campaign with a belief it would be a fresh direction, the polarisation of our politics, the continued weakness of the LDs, and so on.

He performed above expectations and those who loved him loved him a lot. But as time went on the weaknesses which continually undercut him with MPs undercut him with the public.

Sandpit · September 8

Presumably, as a good little socialist, Diane won’t be making any money herself from the sales of the book, and it will either be given away free or the proceeds donated to further the cause?

Sandpit · September 8

TimS said:

Anabobazina said:

OldKingCole said:

Andy_JS said:
If you're hard pressed for money the best way to watch test cricket is to go on the 5th day. Well, good luck with that with this England team. You might get one or two chances each year.
Well, there’s no chance of a 5th days play in this Test. Unless it rains all day on Monday!

Which it isn’t going to do. I don’t see why tests going five days should be desirable really. The fifth day should only be needed in case of bad weather, if the wicket is prepared properly, for an even shot of bat and ball.
I’m old enough to remember the debate in the 1990s about how 3-day first class matches weren’t setting England’s players up properly for the patience and tactics of test cricket. Too many rushed innings and risky declarations to force a result. That’s one reason they moved to 4 days. Funny how things change.

219 seems like one of those gettable targets, but that could all of sudden seem a long way away with a couple of quick wickets from England tonight.

Monksfield · September 8

kle4 said:

Eabhal said:

Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn's identity is his dogma.

He has nothing else.
40% in 2017. I don't think we spend enough time discussing the reasons behind that extraordinary result.
I think it gets brought up plenty. There was Brexit, there was austerity, there was the May campaign, there was his galvinisation of the Labour left and corresponding lack of dislike from the centrist public (though not centrist MPs) which was definitely there in 2019, his genial manner leading to a decent campaign with a belief it would be a fresh direction, the polarisation of our politics, the continued weakness of the LDs, and so on.

He performed above expectations and those who loved him loved him a lot. But as time went on the weaknesses which continually undercut him with MPs undercut him with the public.

Very fair summary

DecrepiterJohnL · September 8

Andy_JS said:

FF43 said:
Diane Abbott appears to have had an interesting life and an unusually good sense of humour for a politician.
She's always been my favourite MP from the Labour left.

The first duty of Parliament is the safety of the realm. It is because I believe that the proposals on 42-day detention will make us less safe, not more safe, that I oppose them. I do not take terrorism lightly. I am a Londoner and I heard the last major IRA bomb, at Canary Wharf, from my kitchen in east London. Like thousands of Londoners, I waited for the early-morning call that assured me that friends and family on their way to work and school had not been caught up in those bombings. I will not take lectures from Ministers about not taking terrorism seriously.

I do not believe, as Ministers continue to insist, that there is some trade-off between our liberties and the safety of the realm. What makes us free is what makes us safe, and what makes us safe is what will make us free.

Diane Abbott, on her way to awards from the Spectator and Flintknappers Gazette.

Casino_Royale · September 8

Eabhal said:

Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn's identity is his dogma.

He has nothing else.
40% in 2017. I don't think we spend enough time discussing the reasons behind that extraordinary result.

People didn't know him.

Theresa May got found out during the campaign, otherwise she'd have had a landslide; he got found out after.

Casino_Royale · September 8

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.

This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.

Stuartinromford · September 8

kle4 said:

Eabhal said:

Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn's identity is his dogma.

He has nothing else.
40% in 2017. I don't think we spend enough time discussing the reasons behind that extraordinary result.
I think it gets brought up plenty. There was Brexit, there was austerity, there was the May campaign, there was his galvinisation of the Labour left and corresponding lack of dislike from the centrist public (though not centrist MPs) which was definitely there in 2019, his genial manner leading to a decent campaign with a belief it would be a fresh direction, the polarisation of our politics, the continued weakness of the LDs, and so on.

He performed above expectations and those who loved him loved him a lot. But as time went on the weaknesses which continually undercut him with MPs undercut him with the public.

There were significant negatives about Corbyn even in 2017, which is part of the reason a good vote share gave a poor return of seats.

By 2019, the positives had faded and the negatives were more prominent. And we wanted Boris to save us from the mess he had created.

kle4 · September 8

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.

Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.

HYUFD · September 8

Corbyn is at least a socialist in his personal life as well as his political life. As few luxuries as possible, totally committed to the cause and politics and even romantic partners have to put tributes to Karl Marx above any theatrical or cultural pursuits or bourgeois concepts such as wine bars and expensive restaurants with gourmet food rather than food for the workers!

To be fair to him he also got a higher voteshare than Starmer's 33% in 2017 when he got 40% and was just 1% behind with his 32% in 2019 too. Just Starmer had less tactical votes for the Tories against him in 2024 than Corbyn had in 2017 and 2019 and benefited from Reform taking Tory votes under Sunak whereas Boris slashed the Brexit Party vote in 2019 to back him

Casino_Royale · September 8

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.

I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.

Anabobazina · September 8

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.

Quite right. We have agency over our holidays. Turn off your email @viewcode

Anabobazina · September 8

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.

I take your point, but presumably people said the same when reducing from six to five?

HYUFD · September 8

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.

Don't check your emails when on holiday, at weekends or in the evening and don't look at any work texts or Whatsapps either.

Labour is actually just proposing 5 day hours in 4 if people want rather than a 4 day week

OldKingCole · September 8

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.

When I qualified as a pharmacist back in the early 60’s a 5.5 day week was the norm, and the .5 wasn’t Saturday.
Made my social life quite difficult.

kle4 · September 8

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.

I know people for whom it works, the same way I know people for whom WAH works. I'm less convinced of the idea either should be seen as some kind of right or general expectation it is unreasonable to deny, or that their lack would be particularly burdensome for most employees. I am curious if 4 day weeks will become the norm, as I can see squeezing the working week into 4 as a fair trade off for many people.

Anabobazina · September 8

Breakthrough at the Oval!

Anabobazina · September 8

OldKingCole said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
When I qualified as a pharmacist back in the early 60’s a 5.5 day week was the norm, and the .5 wasn’t Saturday.
Made my social life quite difficult.

Wasn’t Saturday or was Saturday?

Sandpit · September 8

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.

I did that properly once, about three years ago when on a belated honeymoon in the Maldives for a week. Phone off, ipad off, my boss’s boss and my father had the details of the hotel in case someone died. Spent the week reading books and talking to my wife! Fantastic.

Stuartinromford · September 8

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.

Depends on circumstances, though. For some, family care is easier with four work days, even if they are longer. For some, commuting is unpleasant enough that saving one return journey a week is worth doing.

In an ideal world, employers and employees would work through these things themselves, but a forceful government nudge to take the question seriously doesn't seem out of order.

OldKingCole · September 8

Anabobazina said:

OldKingCole said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
When I qualified as a pharmacist back in the early 60’s a 5.5 day week was the norm, and the .5 wasn’t Saturday.
Made my social life quite difficult.
Wasn’t Saturday or was Saturday?

Was only Saturday very rarely.

kjh · September 8

Thinking about my next cycle trip in France and thinking about the Midi canal. Any advice. It is a little short for me. Alternative is to start at Bordeaux but that is a bit too long.

Sandpit · September 8

Anabobazina said:
Breakthrough at the Oval!

The ‘Lankans have been a bit quick with the runs tonight, 42/1 not really where England want them to be right now. Nissanka running at 8 an over!

kle4 · September 8

Stuartinromford said:

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.
Depends on circumstances, though. For some, family care is easier with four work days, even if they are longer. For some, commuting is unpleasant enough that saving one return journey a week is worth doing.

In an ideal world, employers and employees would work through these things themselves, but a forceful government nudge to take the question seriously doesn't seem out of order.

Government nudges are often necessary, given how workers would get treated without protection, but I remain wary of them in general as towards any powerful force which may seek to please its own vested interests and turn a nudge into a lean into a slam.

Sunil_Prasannan · September 8

Eabhal said:

Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn's identity is his dogma.

He has nothing else.
40% in 2017. I don't think we spend enough time discussing the reasons behind that extraordinary result.

Only 262 seats, mind. The Tories got 317.

HYUFD · September 8

NYT/Siena poll has it Trump 48% and Harris 47%, there must be at least a chance now Trump wins the popular vote but Harris wins the EC by winning PA or Georgia with high African American turnout?

Harris wins most voters under 44, 78% of Black voters and 55% of Hispanics, 55% of white voters with college degrees, 63% of voters in cities and 52% of suburban voters and 93% of Democrats and 48% of Independents. 92% of Biden 2020 voters back her as do 2% of 2020 Trump voters.

Trump wins most voters over 45, 56% of white voters, 66% of whites without a college degree, 65% of voters in small towns and rural areas, 94% of Republicans and 44% of Independents. 97% of 2020 Trump voters back him again and 6% of Biden 2020 voters now back Trump this time

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/09/08/us/politics/times-siena-poll-likely-electorate-crosstabs.html

rottenborough · September 8

Trump has again said he will pardon violent criminal rioters who assaulted and injured police officers during the Jan 6th riot. On "day one" of regaining office.

How is this possible? How? How can Americans be about to elect someone who care this little about law and order? And from the GOP party!!

Sometime you have to pinch yourself to check this is not a mad dream.

Incredible.

Stuartinromford · September 8

OldKingCole said:

Anabobazina said:

OldKingCole said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
When I qualified as a pharmacist back in the early 60’s a 5.5 day week was the norm, and the .5 wasn’t Saturday.
Made my social life quite difficult.
Wasn’t Saturday or was Saturday?
Was only Saturday very rarely.

When did midweek half day closing of shops stop being a thing? Fairly sure it was still ubiquitous in my 1970s kiddiwinkdom, but later on it wasn't.

Sandpit · September 8

Stuartinromford said:

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.
Depends on circumstances, though. For some, family care is easier with four work days, even if they are longer. For some, commuting is unpleasant enough that saving one return journey a week is worth doing.

In an ideal world, employers and employees would work through these things themselves, but a forceful government nudge to take the question seriously doesn't seem out of order.

What would change things massively, and is almost certain not to happen, would be for the train companies to sell three-day and four-day ‘season’ tickets. Now that everying is electronic, it’s not technically difficult to sell tickets for 250, 200,150 trips per year - but right now they’re making a fortune on the margin on four-day commuters, and selling expensive day-tickets to two-day commuters.

nico679 · September 8

For those concerned about the US election the issue of state certification of votes is now a real issue .

The Trump Cult have been busy ensuring 2020 election deniers have found their way onto county and state canvassing boards.

Added to the troubling legislation passed in Georgia and the November election could turn very ugly .

DecrepiterJohnL · September 8

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Eabhal said:

Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn's identity is his dogma.

He has nothing else.
40% in 2017. I don't think we spend enough time discussing the reasons behind that extraordinary result.
Only 262 seats, mind. The Tories got 317.

The Tories did not have Labour Quislings undermining their campaign.

TheScreamingEagles · September 8

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.

I was a fan of the four day week then something regularly would happen on day four/five of that week that would require me to work on day five.

Fortunately my staff/bosses know to only contact me on my holidays/OOH when something truly apocalyptic has happened/about to happen.

Sandpit · September 8

rottenborough said:
Trump has again said he will pardon violent criminal rioters who assaulted and injured police officers during the Jan 6th riot. On "day one" of regaining office.

How is this possible? How? How can Americans be about to elect someone who care this little about law and order? And from the GOP party!!

Sometime you have to pinch yourself to check this is not a mad dream.

Incredible.

He didn’t say he would pardon “violent criminal rioters who assaulted and injured police officers during the Jan 6th riot”, did he?

TheScreamingEagles · September 8

rottenborough said:
Trump has again said he will pardon violent criminal rioters who assaulted and injured police officers during the Jan 6th riot. On "day one" of regaining office.

How is this possible? How? How can Americans be about to elect someone who care this little about law and order? And from the GOP party!!

Sometime you have to pinch yourself to check this is not a mad dream.

Incredible.

I saw on Twitter last week a MAGA type comparing the Jan 6th patriots to Rosa Parks.

Leon · September 8

Another delayed EasyJet. Four hours at Edinburgh airport

The dining options are limited and the entire airport smells of wee

Leon · September 8

I DEMAND AN OYSTERBAR

Stuartinromford · September 8

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.
I was a fan of the four day week then something regularly would happen on day four/five of that week that would require me to work on day five.

Fortunately my staff/bosses know to only contact me on my holidays/OOH when something truly apocalyptic has happened/about to happen.

Good thing nothing apocalyptic ever happens when you're on holiday.

TheScreamingEagles · September 8

Sandpit said:

rottenborough said:
Trump has again said he will pardon violent criminal rioters who assaulted and injured police officers during the Jan 6th riot. On "day one" of regaining office.

How is this possible? How? How can Americans be about to elect someone who care this little about law and order? And from the GOP party!!

Sometime you have to pinch yourself to check this is not a mad dream.

Incredible.
He didn’t say he would pardon “violent criminal rioters who assaulted and injured police officers during the Jan 6th riot”, did he?

He said political prisoners of the Biden-Harris regime.

When you parse his comments he's talking about the traitors who tried to overturn democracy on that dark day.

Ask yourself why the likes of Dick Cheney and Trump's own Veep aren't voting for him this time around?

TheScreamingEagles · September 8

Stuartinromford said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.
I was a fan of the four day week then something regularly would happen on day four/five of that week that would require me to work on day five.

Fortunately my staff/bosses know to only contact me on my holidays/OOH when something truly apocalyptic has happened/about to happen.
Good thing nothing apocalyptic ever happens when you're on holiday.

So I've booked annual leave from the 1st of November through to the 11th of November.

That period cover the result of the Tory leadership contest and the the US presidential election.

You have all been warned.

I am also meeting JohnO for another PB Tory lunch that week as well.

HYUFD · September 8

nico679 said:
For those concerned about the US election the issue of state certification of votes is now a real issue .

The Trump Cult have been busy ensuring 2020 election deniers have found their way onto county and state canvassing boards.

Added to the troubling legislation passed in Georgia and the November election could turn very ugly .

Harris as VP declares the winner of the EC this time though not Pence as last time and if she was ahead on the votes submitted to Congress but some states withheld would almost certainly declare herself the winner if the networks had declared say GA for her but the state boards and governor refused to certify. Constitutionally there is no requirement to get to 270 EC votes anyway, just a majority of the state EC votes submitted to Congress

Fishing · September 8

rottenborough said:
Trump has again said he will pardon violent criminal rioters who assaulted and injured police officers during the Jan 6th riot. On "day one" of regaining office.

How is this possible? How? How can Americans be about to elect someone who care this little about law and order? And from the GOP party!!

Sometime you have to pinch yourself to check this is not a mad dream.

Incredible.

Because violent rebellion against people you disagree with is glorified in American culture. There's nothing you can say against the January 6th rioters that you can't say against the Founding Fathers that Americans are taught to idolise from Kindergarten on, except that the rioters owned fewer slaves and weren't supported by the French. As Thomas Jefferson said, "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical" and as Patrick Henry said, "If this be treason, make the most of it." There's a direct line from those statements to the January 6th protestors.

In fact, of course, both the Founding Fathers and the January 6th rioters were violent, racist, seditious quasi-traitors.

Eabhal · September 8

Leon said:
Another delayed EasyJet. Four hours at Edinburgh airport

The dining options are limited and the entire airport smells of wee

I can bring you a lukewarm curry and some box wine?

HYUFD · September 8

rottenborough said:
Trump has again said he will pardon violent criminal rioters who assaulted and injured police officers during the Jan 6th riot. On "day one" of regaining office.

How is this possible? How? How can Americans be about to elect someone who care this little about law and order? And from the GOP party!!

Sometime you have to pinch yourself to check this is not a mad dream.

Incredible.

Tommy Robinson would certainly pardon the rioters in Southport and other towns and cities if he was elected PM, Farage might pardon those jailed for social media posts. They are and their supporters are Trump's core UK backers

Leon · September 8

Stuartinromford said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.
I was a fan of the four day week then something regularly would happen on day four/five of that week that would require me to work on day five.

Fortunately my staff/bosses know to only contact me on my holidays/OOH when something truly apocalyptic has happened/about to happen.
Good thing nothing apocalyptic ever happens when you're on holiday.

Has there been a two week period since, ooh, Sindyref 1 in 2014 when something “apocalyptic” HASN’T happened?

Sincere question. It feels like The Great Weirdness began then

Omnium · September 8

Leon said:
I DEMAND AN OYSTERBAR

I can hear the creaks of your mind broadening.

Omnium · September 8

Eabhal said:

Leon said:
Another delayed EasyJet. Four hours at Edinburgh airport

The dining options are limited and the entire airport smells of wee
I can bring you a lukewarm curry and some box wine?

I'm not sure Deliveroo Ads are allowed on PB?

DavidL · September 8

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.

Is it not fairly straightforward? First you work at work and then you work from home.

Leon · September 8

Omnium said:

Leon said:
I DEMAND AN OYSTERBAR
I can hear the creaks of your mind broadening.

I’ve got ANOTHER flight tomorrow out of London. My traveling is insane right now. That’s the fifth flight in nine days

MattW · September 8

I quite like the first quote from the Parliamentary Chef who has survived 15 Prime Ministers:

“Can I have more pork please?”

That man will go far in retirement; he understands.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vx0wyl6e3o

Malmesbury · September 8

TheScreamingEagles said:

Stuartinromford said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.
I was a fan of the four day week then something regularly would happen on day four/five of that week that would require me to work on day five.

Fortunately my staff/bosses know to only contact me on my holidays/OOH when something truly apocalyptic has happened/about to happen.
Good thing nothing apocalyptic ever happens when you're on holiday.
So I've booked annual leave from the 1st of November through to the 11th of November.

That period cover the result of the Tory leadership contest and the the US presidential election.

You have all been warned.

I am also meeting JohnO for another PB Tory lunch that week as well.

FFS

I’ll have to get the bunker finished for the servants to the servants hall. The butler is a treasure, but the thought of what he’d be like if locked in a bunker without a freshly ironed napkin at his breakfast doesn’t bear thinking about.

Omnium · September 8

Leon said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:
I DEMAND AN OYSTERBAR
I can hear the creaks of your mind broadening.
I’ve got ANOTHER flight tomorrow out of London. My traveling is insane right now. That’s the fifth flight in nine days

Sounds like you need to revise the 7 P's! (Prior Planning and Preparation Prevent Piss Poor Performance - or at least I think that was what the military folk used to say)

Rushing all over will deprive you of course of the best season to be in (what I understand is your home) Camden. The slight decline towards autumn with summer rain - really lovely.

Malmesbury · September 8

Fishing said:

rottenborough said:
Trump has again said he will pardon violent criminal rioters who assaulted and injured police officers during the Jan 6th riot. On "day one" of regaining office.

How is this possible? How? How can Americans be about to elect someone who care this little about law and order? And from the GOP party!!

Sometime you have to pinch yourself to check this is not a mad dream.

Incredible.
Because violent rebellion against people you disagree with is glorified in American culture. There's nothing you can say against the January 6th rioters that you can't say against the Founding Fathers that Americans are taught to idolise from Kindergarten on, except that the rioters owned fewer slaves and weren't supported by the French. As Thomas Jefferson said, "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical" and as Patrick Henry said, "If this be treason, make the most of it." There's a direct line from those statements to the January 6th protestors.

In fact, of course, both the Founding Fathers and the January 6th rioters were violent, racist, seditious quasi-traitors.

In addition, the methodology for making tea, employed by the Founding Fathers is highly suspect.

I know they were benighted colonials, but it is , surely, self evident that tea made from cold harbour water is going to be bad? Very bad.

pm215 · September 8

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.

Sure, the work doesn't reduce, but at least for the stuff I do there's always more potential work available than I could get through even if I worked seven days a week. So whether I work four days a week or five, it's the same prioritisation game -- I do what seems most important in the work hours I have available. If my employer thought the stuff I don't get to was important enough they'd hire an extra employee. If they don't then it's clearly not important enough for me to be working extra unpaid hours on it.

(I work four days partly for medical reasons so I am deliberately protective of the extra non working day.)

Pagan2 · September 8

DavidL said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
Is it not fairly straightforward? First you work at work and then you work from home.

Err you don't have company apps on your phone like teams and email and switch off the work laptop at home time....job done

FrancisUrquhart · September 8

One thing you have to credit Jezza for being is authentic....he image he portrays to the public is actually him. Didn't he divorce his first wife over an idealogical differences or maybe it was too many date nights to gravestones of far left heros of his?

It is a bloody good job he never got into power as we all would have been stuck holidaying in Skegness with pot noodles....

Omnium · September 8

Malmesbury said:

Fishing said:

rottenborough said:
Trump has again said he will pardon violent criminal rioters who assaulted and injured police officers during the Jan 6th riot. On "day one" of regaining office.

How is this possible? How? How can Americans be about to elect someone who care this little about law and order? And from the GOP party!!

Sometime you have to pinch yourself to check this is not a mad dream.

Incredible.
Because violent rebellion against people you disagree with is glorified in American culture. There's nothing you can say against the January 6th rioters that you can't say against the Founding Fathers that Americans are taught to idolise from Kindergarten on, except that the rioters owned fewer slaves and weren't supported by the French. As Thomas Jefferson said, "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical" and as Patrick Henry said, "If this be treason, make the most of it." There's a direct line from those statements to the January 6th protestors.

In fact, of course, both the Founding Fathers and the January 6th rioters were violent, racist, seditious quasi-traitors.
In addition, the methodology for making tea, employed by the Founding Fathers is highly suspect.

I know they were benighted colonials, but it is , surely, self evident that tea made from cold harbour water is going to be bad? Very bad.

Probably less bad than the local water. I was in Boston recently and I'm sure I failed to really grasp the history, but I'm confident that I did better than on my prior visits. Nasty swamp water seems to have been a theme. And anyway wasn't the tea concerned cheap, subsidised tea?

Stuartinromford · September 8

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Stuartinromford said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.
I was a fan of the four day week then something regularly would happen on day four/five of that week that would require me to work on day five.

Fortunately my staff/bosses know to only contact me on my holidays/OOH when something truly apocalyptic has happened/about to happen.
Good thing nothing apocalyptic ever happens when you're on holiday.
So I've booked annual leave from the 1st of November through to the 11th of November.

That period cover the result of the Tory leadership contest and the the US presidential election.

You have all been warned.

I am also meeting JohnO for another PB Tory lunch that week as well.
FFS

I’ll have to get the bunker finished for the servants to the servants hall. The butler is a treasure, but the thought of what he’d be like if locked in a bunker without a freshly ironed napkin at his breakfast doesn’t bear thinking about.

Just to say that the Butler in the Bunker would have been excellent plot device for a series of 'Allo 'Allo.

No_Offence_Alan · September 8

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.
I was a fan of the four day week then something regularly would happen on day four/five of that week that would require me to work on day five.

Fortunately my staff/bosses know to only contact me on my holidays/OOH when something truly apocalyptic has happened/about to happen.

If I went to a 4-day week, either through partial retirement or compressed hours, I would not choose Friday as my "off" day, I would probably choose Tuesday or Wednesday.

TheScreamingEagles · September 8

LOL.

Naomi Wolf has been caught talking shite once more.

https://x.com/naomirwolf/status/1832240151193428200

Omnium · September 8

Stuartinromford said:

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Stuartinromford said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.
I was a fan of the four day week then something regularly would happen on day four/five of that week that would require me to work on day five.

Fortunately my staff/bosses know to only contact me on my holidays/OOH when something truly apocalyptic has happened/about to happen.
Good thing nothing apocalyptic ever happens when you're on holiday.
So I've booked annual leave from the 1st of November through to the 11th of November.

That period cover the result of the Tory leadership contest and the the US presidential election.

You have all been warned.

I am also meeting JohnO for another PB Tory lunch that week as well.
FFS

I’ll have to get the bunker finished for the servants to the servants hall. The butler is a treasure, but the thought of what he’d be like if locked in a bunker without a freshly ironed napkin at his breakfast doesn’t bear thinking about.
Just to say that the Butler in the Bunker would have been excellent plot device for a series of 'Allo 'Allo.

And would have improved the TV series 'Jeeves and Wooster' immeasurably!

Stuartinromford · September 8

Omnium said:

Stuartinromford said:

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Stuartinromford said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.
I was a fan of the four day week then something regularly would happen on day four/five of that week that would require me to work on day five.

Fortunately my staff/bosses know to only contact me on my holidays/OOH when something truly apocalyptic has happened/about to happen.
Good thing nothing apocalyptic ever happens when you're on holiday.
So I've booked annual leave from the 1st of November through to the 11th of November.

That period cover the result of the Tory leadership contest and the the US presidential election.

You have all been warned.

I am also meeting JohnO for another PB Tory lunch that week as well.
FFS

I’ll have to get the bunker finished for the servants to the servants hall. The butler is a treasure, but the thought of what he’d be like if locked in a bunker without a freshly ironed napkin at his breakfast doesn’t bear thinking about.
Just to say that the Butler in the Bunker would have been excellent plot device for a series of 'Allo 'Allo.
And would have improved the TV series 'Jeeves and Wooster' immeasurably!

From the parallel universe where PG Wodehouse actually was a Nazi sympathiser and writes a jolly caper where Bertie's old pal Adolf invites him to Berlin...

Malmesbury · September 8

TheScreamingEagles said:
LOL.

Naomi Wolf has been caught talking shite once more.

https://x.com/naomirwolf/status/1832240151193428200

Wouldn’t it have been more remarkable if she’d got some history right?

TheScreamingEagles · September 8

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
LOL.

Naomi Wolf has been caught talking shite once more.

https://x.com/naomirwolf/status/1832240151193428200
Wouldn’t it have been more remarkable if she’d got some history right?

Indeed, but what can you expect from somebody who got her doctorate from the dump that is the University of Oxford?

williamglenn · September 8

TheScreamingEagles said:

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
LOL.

Naomi Wolf has been caught talking shite once more.

https://x.com/naomirwolf/status/1832240151193428200
Wouldn’t it have been more remarkable if she’d got some history right?
Indeed, but what can you expect from somebody who got her doctorate from the dump that is the University of Oxford?

She's the only person to have her career death recorded.

MattW · September 8

TheScreamingEagles said:

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
More woke nonsense.

Labour’s plan to impose VAT on private school fees in January faces a High Court legal challenge over claims it breaches human rights law.

Lawyers have written to HM Treasury arguing the policy discriminates against special needs children and has threatened court action if it is not dropped.

The letter says so-called SEND (special educational needs and disabilities) children risk being forced out of private school if their parents can no longer afford higher fees, with the state sector unable to meet their more demanding educational needs.

It marks the first official legal challenge to Labour’s plans which have come under heavy criticism. Further legal claims in relation to military families and those who attend faith schools may also be put forward at a later date, The Telegraph understands....

...Sinclairslaw will also today launch a crowdfunding campaign to fund the legal challenge, with fears the cost of litigation could reach several hundred thousand of pounds.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/private-schools-tax-raid-high-court-challenge-human-rights/
Utterly inevitable. I did giggle when one friend (big supporter of Labour) got upset at the idea of a legal challenge to government policy.
It is so sad that the Good Law Project has decided to close now that we have a change of government, who could have foreseen that?

https://goodlawproject.org/good-law-practice-to-close/

Speculating furiously, is Windy Miller going to be offered a peerage?

Casino_Royale · September 8

pm215 said:

Casino_Royale said:

kle4 said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
Many people nowadays include a 'wellbeing statement' on their emails that they have sent it a time convenient for them, but that there is no expectation for someone to respond outside their usual working hours, presumably to tell people they don't need to do so, but it's easy to see that in some organisations the culture will be very different even if they ostensibly have a similar internal policy.

I think some countries may be instituting laws around being contacted outside working hours? That seems a bigger win than a 4 day week to me.
I am unconvinced of the 4 day week.

The work doesn't reduce and, in some respects, it's more stressful.
Sure, the work doesn't reduce, but at least for the stuff I do there's always more potential work available than I could get through even if I worked seven days a week. So whether I work four days a week or five, it's the same prioritisation game -- I do what seems most important in the work hours I have available. If my employer thought the stuff I don't get to was important enough they'd hire an extra employee. If they don't then it's clearly not important enough for me to be working extra unpaid hours on it.

(I work four days partly for medical reasons so I am deliberately protective of the extra non working day.)

Good for you

pm215 · September 8

TheScreamingEagles said:

I was a fan of the four day week then something regularly would happen on day four/five of that week that would require me to work on day five.

Avoid the potential for this problem by taking day one as your non working day rather than day five? :-)

FrancisUrquhart · September 8

TheScreamingEagles said:

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
More woke nonsense.

Labour’s plan to impose VAT on private school fees in January faces a High Court legal challenge over claims it breaches human rights law.

Lawyers have written to HM Treasury arguing the policy discriminates against special needs children and has threatened court action if it is not dropped.

The letter says so-called SEND (special educational needs and disabilities) children risk being forced out of private school if their parents can no longer afford higher fees, with the state sector unable to meet their more demanding educational needs.

It marks the first official legal challenge to Labour’s plans which have come under heavy criticism. Further legal claims in relation to military families and those who attend faith schools may also be put forward at a later date, The Telegraph understands....

...Sinclairslaw will also today launch a crowdfunding campaign to fund the legal challenge, with fears the cost of litigation could reach several hundred thousand of pounds.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/private-schools-tax-raid-high-court-challenge-human-rights/
Utterly inevitable. I did giggle when one friend (big supporter of Labour) got upset at the idea of a legal challenge to government policy.
It is so sad that the Good Law Project has decided to close now that we have a change of government, who could have foreseen that?

https://goodlawproject.org/good-law-practice-to-close/

How strange....clearly he thinks the new government will do nothing that might require legal oversight / challenge...what are all the idiots who have backed him over the years going to do now.

Omnium · September 8

TheScreamingEagles said:

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
LOL.

Naomi Wolf has been caught talking shite once more.

https://x.com/naomirwolf/status/1832240151193428200
Wouldn’t it have been more remarkable if she’d got some history right?
Indeed, but what can you expect from somebody who got her doctorate from the dump that is the University of Oxford?

A University, you say, in Oxford? Well there's news!

FrancisUrquhart · September 8

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
LOL.

Naomi Wolf has been caught talking shite once more.

https://x.com/naomirwolf/status/1832240151193428200
Wouldn’t it have been more remarkable if she’d got some history right?
Indeed, but what can you expect from somebody who got her doctorate from the dump that is the University of Oxford?
She's the only person to have her career death recorded.

Actually what recent history has shown is these people never ever get fully flushed....I give you Prof Peston still going strong.

Leon · September 8

Sitting at the Fever Tree cocktail bar in Edinburgh Airport. Right next to me is a slight, and slightly elderly man, with a cultured Scottish accent, a neat corduroy jacket, and a genuinely cool Homburg hat

He is drinking a Peroni and immersed in a book

This is surely @Theuniondivvie

Or at least, this is how I like to imagine him. Kind of a short ageing very polite Scottish intellectual Elvis Costello, with great taste in hats

rcs1000 · September 8

Anabobazina said:

OldKingCole said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
When I qualified as a pharmacist back in the early 60’s a 5.5 day week was the norm, and the .5 wasn’t Saturday.
Made my social life quite difficult.
Wasn’t Saturday or was Saturday?

I presume he worked all day Saturday, and might have worked a half day on Sunday. His day off was probably a Monday or Tuesday.

bondegezou · September 8

From the (hotly contested) Lucy Letby article:

About two hours after the collapse of Child M, Letby sent texts reading: "Work has been shit but... I have just won £135 on Grand National!! [horse emoji]."

So that's why some on PB rush to her defence. She's a gambler, like us!

tpfkar · September 8

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:
More woke nonsense.

Labour’s plan to impose VAT on private school fees in January faces a High Court legal challenge over claims it breaches human rights law.

Lawyers have written to HM Treasury arguing the policy discriminates against special needs children and has threatened court action if it is not dropped.

The letter says so-called SEND (special educational needs and disabilities) children risk being forced out of private school if their parents can no longer afford higher fees, with the state sector unable to meet their more demanding educational needs.

It marks the first official legal challenge to Labour’s plans which have come under heavy criticism. Further legal claims in relation to military families and those who attend faith schools may also be put forward at a later date, The Telegraph understands....

...Sinclairslaw will also today launch a crowdfunding campaign to fund the legal challenge, with fears the cost of litigation could reach several hundred thousand of pounds.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/private-schools-tax-raid-high-court-challenge-human-rights/
Utterly inevitable. I did giggle when one friend (big supporter of Labour) got upset at the idea of a legal challenge to government policy.
It is so sad that the Good Law Project has decided to close now that we have a change of government, who could have foreseen that?

https://goodlawproject.org/good-law-practice-to-close/
How strange....clearly he thinks the new government will do nothing that might require legal oversight / challenge...what are all the idiots who have backed him over the years going to do now.

Note that Good Law *Practice* and Good Law *Project* are very different things.

Leon · September 8

Has anyone else ever sat next to someone at a random bar and thought “that must be so-and-so from PB”?

I wonder if I once met @rcs1000 at the Groucho: a quivering, drug-addled transgender wreck desperately trying to sell car park software to Damien Hirst

bondegezou · September 8

FrancisUrquhart said:
One thing you have to credit Jezza for being is authentic....he image he portrays to the public is actually him. Didn't he divorce his first wife over an idealogical differences or maybe it was too many date nights to gravestones of far left heros of his?

It is a bloody good job he never got into power as we all would have been stuck holidaying in Skegness with pot noodles....

I knew someone (now a well-known comics writer) who split up with his girlfriend when they argued over Aboriginal land rights.

OldKingCole · September 8

rcs1000 said:

Anabobazina said:

OldKingCole said:

Casino_Royale said:

viewcode said:
Labour are threatening a four-day work week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJC3YVqKz40

That's nice.

In my last two holidays I worked every day (I'm working now!) and only work a third-day on Saturday so I can food shop. I don't know how a "working week" works in the era of WFH and email.
This isn't good.

I switch off my email when I go on leave, and my phone. Nothing happens.

I do wonder how much of the link we have to mental health issues and burnout is linked to this. 15 years ago, you simply couldn't be contacted on holiday - unless you had a Crackberry.
When I qualified as a pharmacist back in the early 60’s a 5.5 day week was the norm, and the .5 wasn’t Saturday.
Made my social life quite difficult.
Wasn’t Saturday or was Saturday?
I presume he worked all day Saturday, and might have worked a half day on Sunday. His day off was probably a Monday or Tuesday.

In those days no shops were open Sundays, so that was my one whole day off …... except of course when it was my turn on the “chemists rota”.
Half day was Wednesday or Thursday.

ydoethur · September 8

Leon said:
Has anyone else ever sat next to someone at a random bar and thought “that must be so-and-so from PB”?

I wonder if I once met @rcs1000 at the Groucho: a quivering, drug-addled transgender wreck desperately trying to sell car park software to Damien Hirst

Why were you desperately trying to sell car park software? Is that a third sideline along with the dildos and the Gazette articles?

rottenborough · September 8

TheScreamingEagles said:

rottenborough said:
Trump has again said he will pardon violent criminal rioters who assaulted and injured police officers during the Jan 6th riot. On "day one" of regaining office.

How is this possible? How? How can Americans be about to elect someone who care this little about law and order? And from the GOP party!!

Sometime you have to pinch yourself to check this is not a mad dream.

Incredible.
I saw on Twitter last week a MAGA type comparing the Jan 6th patriots to Rosa Parks.

Yeh. Definitely similar.

rcs1000 · September 8

All this talk of the four day work week reminds me of the Simpsons line:

Mr Burns to Homer: Come in to work on Saturday, or don't bother coming in to work on Monday
Homer: Woohoo! Long weekend

Luckyguy1983 · September 8

Leon said:
Sitting at the Fever Tree cocktail bar in Edinburgh Airport. Right next to me is a slight, and slightly elderly man, with a cultured Scottish accent, a neat corduroy jacket, and a genuinely cool Homburg hat

He is drinking a Peroni and immersed in a book

This is surely @Theuniondivvie

Or at least, this is how I like to imagine him. Kind of a short ageing very polite Scottish intellectual Elvis Costello, with great taste in hats

Not a terribly rare breed in Edinburgh. And very cultured though TUD undoubtedly is, is he not from the Glasgow area in origin?

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