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  • Never mind carbonara. Did you know that Kamala Harris is a diva when it comes to pens?

    https://x.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1415322973821624327

    Former Harris staffers said they were well acquainted with her preferred writing tool: Pilot Precise V7 Roller Ball pens. The pens are "seared into everyone's brain,” a former aide said

    Via their eye sockets?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    FF43 said:

    If I understand this correctly the schools the parent applied for were oversubscribed and her child didn't meet the criteria for admission. The local authority then suggested a way they could jump the queue by claiming poverty on the school fees, which was also illegal. Presumably the parent could have got their child into a school that wasn't their preference and that is frequent outcome when parents apply normally. In general however you wouldn't move unless it's to a preferred choice, hence the normal recommendation to stay put if you don't get your preference.

    A bit different from what was implied by the summary.
    That's not what the story says. It quotes BCC as saying they will only give any allocation at all - i.e. a non-preference allocation - if evidence of financial hardship can be provided. Otherwise, stay in the private sector.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,366
    edited September 2024
    FF43 said:

    If I understand this correctly the schools the parent applied for were oversubscribed and her child didn't meet the criteria for admission. The local authority then suggested a way they could jump the queue by claiming poverty on the school fees, which was also illegal. Presumably the parent could have got their child into a school that wasn't their preference and that is frequent outcome when parents apply normally. In general however you wouldn't move unless it's to a preferred choice, hence the normal recommendation to stay put if you don't get your preference.

    A bit different from what was implied by the summary.
    Of course. You've cracked the conundrum.

    From the Buckinghamshire website;

    Some grammar schools give higher priority to qualified children in receipt of Pupil Premium. Additionally, some grammar schools have a limited number of places available for unqualified children in receipt of Pupil Premium, if they achieve a certain score in the Secondary Transfer Test (slightly lower than the usual qualification score of 121)...

    https://www.buckinghamshire.gov.uk/schools-and-learning/schools-index/school-admissions/school-admissions-guides-policies-and-statistics/guide-to-moving-up-to-secondary-school/admission-rules/

    So there is a legit "I'm just a poor boy, from a poor family" loophole.

    Doesn't make the council letter right, of course.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    edited September 2024
    Cookie said:

    But going back to that example in Coventry - that cyclist will have been able to see the car as she approached the junction. She didn't take evasive action because the car was stationary and she reasonably assumed that the car was going to wait for her to pass until pulling into the road.
    Her choice to ride a cycle, which makes you more at risk from accidents and serious injury or even death than driving or travelling in a car. A motorbike even more so.

    Now yes the driver was also at fault (my original point was just the offence in question deserved a community order not jail). However if you choose to ride a bike which is harder to see and makes you more vulnerable on the roads you need to take extra care at all times, especially at junctions, roundabouts and on busy roads and when overtaking for your own protection if nothing else
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    While we're on about clickbaity-yet-seemingly-true stories in the headlines, in further evidence that they hate the British in general and their customers in particular, National Trust cafes to go half-vegan:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/06/national-trust-cafe-food-vegan-net-zero-hypocrisy-vote/
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,711
    FF43 said:

    If I understand this correctly the schools the parent applied for were oversubscribed and her child didn't meet the criteria for admission. The local authority then suggested a way they could jump the queue by claiming poverty on the school fees, which was also illegal. Presumably the parent could have got their child into a school that wasn't their preference and that is frequent outcome when parents apply normally. In general however you wouldn't move unless it's to a preferred choice, hence the normal recommendation to stay put if you don't get your preference.

    A bit different from what was implied by the summary.
    Not what I took from the article: they refused preferred school outright, and said a place could be found at another school, but wanted to confirm in was in-year not for next year. Then mistakenly thought they had to ask for proof of poverty. But we'd need to see all the emails.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,160
    Cookie said:

    While we're on about clickbaity-yet-seemingly-true stories in the headlines, in further evidence that they hate the British in general and their customers in particular, National Trust cafes to go half-vegan:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/06/national-trust-cafe-food-vegan-net-zero-hypocrisy-vote/

    It's sad that I see that URL and immediately assume it's nonsense. I hope the Times doesn't go that way.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    Leon said:

    i recommend Netflix TV series The Turning Point, on the War on Terror since 9/11

    Our abandonment of Afhganistan was utterly shameful

    Lessons

    1. America should have eliminated, one way or another, everyone in Guantanamo right from the off. China would have done exactly that. Stop pretending we are "better than China", it is western exceptionalism and it cripples us

    2. We need to wise up re Islamism. Good fences make good neighbours. We need fences

    We should have just killed Bin Laden, then got out and massively tightened our borders
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,711
    Today's photo, an unappreciated and delicious poached pasta dish, Rotolo:

    https://cookingbythebook.com/recipes/rotolo-ripieno-or-stuffed-pasta-roll-from-emilia-romagna/

    (By the way, am I banned from posting photos? Last couple of days the insert photo button does nothing...)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095

    Striking how Sinner was able to get over the line at the crucial time. If Draper is to win a slam he needs to get that ability. Is it mental? Draper has the game, the serve, the power.
    Draper still going despite vomiting twice on court
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,233
    Cookie said:

    While we're on about clickbaity-yet-seemingly-true stories in the headlines, in further evidence that they hate the British in general and their customers in particular, National Trust cafes to go half-vegan:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/06/national-trust-cafe-food-vegan-net-zero-hypocrisy-vote/

    Does this mean they will start serving venison bacon?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,948
    edited September 2024

    Guaciale was invented to make the best carbonara, which takes slightly longer to cook

    Cream was mixed into other ingredients to make a quick carbonara substitute

    Your cream, bacon, (mushroom?) and cheese with pasta will never be carbonara to anyone that knows carbonara
    “Your”. I’ve never made carbonara with cream. I’m just not a fan of misplaced snobbery.


    The story that most experts agree on is that an Italian chef, Renato Gualandi, first made it in 1944 at a dinner in Riccione for the US army with guests including Harold Macmillan. “The Americans had fabulous bacon, very good cream, some cheese and powdered egg yolks,” Gualandi later recalled. Cesari dismisses myths that carbonara was the food of 18th-century Italian charcoal workers as “ahistorical”.

    For Italians born after boom years, carbonara has an unalterable set of ingredients: pork jowl, Roman pecorino cheese, eggs and pepper. But early recipes are surprisingly varied. The oldest was printed in Chicago in 1952 and featured Italian bacon, not pork jowl. Italian recipes from around the same time include everything from gruyère (1954, in the magazine La Cucina Italiana) to “prosciutto, and thinly sliced sautéd mushrooms” (1958, Rome’s Tre Scalini restaurant). Pork jowl didn’t come to replace bacon until as recently as the 1990s.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884
    edited September 2024
    Cookie said:

    That's not what the story says. It quotes BCC as saying they will only give any allocation at all - i.e. a non-preference allocation - if evidence of financial hardship can be provided. Otherwise, stay in the private sector.
    The response from the council spokesperson quoted by @carnforth above does back up my interpretation. If that's right, parents making the switch from private to state from now on will be offered whatever allocation the council makes, take it or leave it. No jumping of queues on oversubscribed schools.

    Edit sorry got this wrong about queue jumping but the article was also wrong in saying education wouldn't be provided with out proof of not affording the fees.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,711
    FF43 said:

    The response from the council spokesperson quoted by @carnforth above does back up my interpretation. If that's right, parents making the switch from private to state from now on will be offered whatever allocation the council makes, take it or leave it. No jumping of queues on oversubscribed schools.
    But where are you getting this jumping the queues loophole theory from to begin with?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,711
    HYUFD said:

    Draper still going despite vomiting twice on court
    He does this a lot. Once he shook hands at the end of a match and went over and vomited in a bin.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    edited September 2024

    "It's not your father's GOP" is certainly true in spades.
    The GOP is now largely white working class, whereas in the 1950s and 1960s, 1970s and 1980s the Democrats were largely white working class.

    The Black vote is still strongly Democrat as it has been since LBJ's civil rights laws.

    The swing voters now are Hispanics and college educated, well paid, middle class whites and the latter used to be the strongest GOP group
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,509
    MattW said:

    The classic Napoleonic one is that Jackie Fisher, the Admiral of the Fleet in WW1 who oversaw the early use of submarines and aircraft carriers, was introduced into the Royal Navy as a naval cadet by the last of Nelson's Captains to be in the service, in 1854. That was Admiral Sir William Parker, who had also been present at the Glorious First of June in 1794 as a Captain's Servant.

    We sometimes forget that Victorians could have children quite late. I read about one yesterday who was widowed twice and had his final child in his 70s with his third wife. Either dutiful or frisky.
    Sort of tangentially related to that, in Winston Churchill's private secretary's memoirs, there is an entry about the death of the last person he knew who had met the great Duke of Wellington. An interesting connection between two of England's greatest heroes.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834
    FF43 said:

    The response from the council spokesperson quoted by @carnforth above does back up my interpretation. If that's right, parents making the switch from private to state from now on will be offered whatever allocation the council makes, take it or leave it. No jumping of queues on oversubscribed schools.
    I really don't think it does. The response says you cannot have ANY state school place unless you can demonstrate poverty.

    I'm puzzled that we read the same things and came to such different conclusions.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,313
    MattW said:

    Aren't Montblancs a bit ... well ... the sort of thing JD Vance might have? Kind of like a Hugo Boss suit or a Tesla Cybertruck, worn or used by aspirational klutzes with no self-confidence.

    I remember far too many of them belonging to salesmen or consultants in shiny suits.
    I brought back six pens from the RSS Conference in Brighton which I may have mentioned. Two sets of three. Three with ADR UK logo and three with the journals A/B/C. Why are you backing away slowly?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,630
    Eabhal said:

    It's sad that I see that URL and immediately assume it's nonsense. I hope the Times doesn't go that way.
    Is half vegan a bit like half virgin?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,834

    Is half vegan a bit like half virgin?
    The idea is that half the food in the cafes will be vegan. The unsold half, presumably. Presumably because they hate their customers.
  • I've just bought the ingredients for a ludicrously alliterative lunch tomorrow

    I'm having baguette with butter, bacon, brie and balsamic blueberries

    I'm going to bake the bacon, and boil the balsamic and blueberries before, and then build a bulging brown bread baguette

    I thought about adding basil, but there must be barriers to barminess

    Bon Bapetit.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,313
    Cookie said:

    While we're on about clickbaity-yet-seemingly-true stories in the headlines, in further evidence that they hate the British in general and their customers in particular, National Trust cafes to go half-vegan:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/06/national-trust-cafe-food-vegan-net-zero-hypocrisy-vote/

    Five years ago I would have been relaxed about this, but they're inevitably expensive, high-carb and gluten-free bread tastes like unpleasant cardboard. Working men's cafes have higher quality food.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,711
    Cookie said:

    The idea is that half the food in the cafes will be vegan. The unsold half, presumably. Presumably because they hate their customers.
    Yup. Half the dishes on the menu ain't half the food.

    See also all the remaindered "plant based" sandwiches in every Tesco.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited September 2024
    "'@RobbieRinder
    At the moment how many people have had their asylum claims rejected and are still to be deported?'

    Home Office Minister Dame Angela Eagle says 'these statistics are available if you want to look them up.'"

    https://x.com/GMB/status/1831961440669823031
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    Have we done this?

    Judge orders disclosure of all the evidence relating to Trump's activities on January 6 later this month, as there has to be a hearing to evaluate how much of the evidence is not admissible due to the SCOTIS immunity ruling.

    So it will be all over the media.

    This is Judge Chutkan, who has taken the position that "I am here to hold a trial for an indicted defendant in my Court. The process of the Election is not my concern".

    I've had another little nibble on Harris.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbT4tNzEj_A
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,948
    Eabhal said:

    It's sad that I see that URL and immediately assume it's nonsense. I hope the Times doesn't go that way.
    I don’t think it will, at least not under the current management.

    I have to talk to journalists in my job and the contrast between those at the Times/Sunday times/FT and the Telegraph is massive. The former check what quotes I’m comfortable with and ask open questions; the latter are friendly enough but very obviously have an “angle” and never check before quoting. The Grauniad is somewhere between the two.
  • MattW said:

    Have we done this?

    Judge orders disclosure of all the evidence relating to Trump's activities on January 6 later this month, as there has to be a hearing to evaluate how much of the evidence is not admissible due to the SCOTIS immunity ruling.

    So it will be all over the media.

    This is Judge Chutkan, who has taken the position that "I am here to hold a trial for an indicted defendant in my Court. The process of the Election is not my concern".

    I've had another little nibble on Harris.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbT4tNzEj_A

    I can't keep up to be honest. One day the judges are kicking any Trump stuff into the long grass that is marked as 'After November' the next day one of them is pushing for an early trial/decision on one of his many misdemeanours.
  • Never mind carbonara. Did you know that Kamala Harris is a diva when it comes to pens?

    https://x.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1415322973821624327

    Former Harris staffers said they were well acquainted with her preferred writing tool: Pilot Precise V7 Roller Ball pens. The pens are "seared into everyone's brain,” a former aide said

    I've a Pilot G2-07 here, which model became popular among computer types after Linus Torvalds (the linux guy) was seen using them, and also a Uniball Jetstream. I shall have to try Kamala's pens.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Jeremy Vine and his GoPro?
    I must be the only person on Earth who frequently confuses Jeremy Vine with Jeremy Kyle. Imagine my shock at this week’s news!
  • Cookie said:

    I really don't think it does. The response says you cannot have ANY state school place unless you can demonstrate poverty.

    I'm puzzled that we read the same things and came to such different conclusions.
    But councils can't do that, because they're required by law to ensure that their are sufficient school places for their residents.

    (Bit of a bugger for councils who have retained the 11+; quite a lot of their grammar school places go to pupils from out-of-area.)

    So they can't say "no place at all". But they can say "no grammar school places, unless you qualify via the Pupil Premium thing." Depends what was in the rest of the letter.

    But school transfers outside the normal time (say people move house) are always a pain.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,820
    Cookie said:

    The idea is that half the food in the cafes will be vegan. The unsold half, presumably. Presumably because they hate their customers.
    Who goes to the NT for a proper meal? You might get a cup of tea and a piece of cake possibly.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,948

    I must be the only person on Earth who frequently confuses Jeremy Vine with Jeremy Kyle. Imagine my shock at this week’s news!
    Jeremy Kyle and Peter Kyle for me.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,711
    The fact that this match is close, given how knackered Draper is, makes me consider betting against Sinner in the final, odds dependant.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    "Cost of furnishing asylum seeker flats too ‘sensitive’ to be released, says watchdog

    Information Commissioner rules in favour of Home Office, which refused to reveal cost of furnishing Hampshire accommodation"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/06/sensitive-costs-furnishing-asylum-seeker-flats-watchdog/
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited September 2024
    Leon said:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if a majority of iconic national dishes were invented after 1945

    Currywurst!

    Chicken tikka masala!

    I discovered only recently that roast beef and Yorkshire pudding was invented in 2009.
  • Pasta la vista, baby.

    The penne is mightier than the sword.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670

    I can't keep up to be honest. One day the judges are kicking any Trump stuff into the long grass that is marked as 'After November' the next day one of them is pushing for an early trial/decision on one of his many misdemeanours.
    This may not help :smile: . But it will help me.

    The one delayed is the sentencing hearing in New York for the Stormy Daniels hush money as a way to stop the public hearing about his incident with the porn star whilst he was having another long-term affair with a woman whilst his wife was not available because she was pregnant, so as to prevent it undermining his prospects in 2016. That is Judge Merchan.

    Judge Chutkan is the formidable one in DC with the sprawling case dealing with election manipulation in 2020. She wrote the amazing Judgement including phrases such as "Presidents are not kings" and referring to the murder of St Thomas a Becket as an example. She was the one appealed to SCOTUS on Presidential Immunity, who gave a set of confused principles about which evidence was admissible, and she has decided there needs to be a preliminary hearing so it all needs to be in public.

    The stuff coming out I think is all the stuff submitted to the Grand Jury, in response to a request from Jack Smith the Prosecutor. So it will all be public, with no commentary, and the media will be crawling all over it in the run up to the Election.

    So ...fun. And Mr Trump is not Happy. He's probably Grumpy. The vid linked is quite informative.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    Tres said:

    Who goes to the NT for a proper meal? You might get a cup of tea and a piece of cake possibly.
    I have several people whom I take in with my "Me + Guest" membership, and they buy lunch - which seems a good plan.

    I'm going with a friend next week, who used to run the visitor side of the South Foreland Lighthouse for the NT. We will both check in, as the property visited gets about £4 per member visiting.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,463

    The gem (also from Keys' thread) is even weirder...

    Richard Keys
    @richardajkeys
    ·
    19h
    What a day for bumping into unpalatable people. I just saw Jamie Redknapp. Happily I needed a No2 which was much more pleasant than stopping to talk.
    Keys is a very bitter man
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,711
    Fritz Taifoe up. Two sets then bedtime, I think.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Well played Jack Draper. Semi-final is a great result.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Well played Jack Draper. Semi-final is a great result.

    He won't think so. Let us hope he does not need to spend the rest of his life wondering what might have been, if only he had not been sick.
  • Tres said:

    Who goes to the NT for a proper meal? You might get a cup of tea and a piece of cake possibly.
    Do they still do those long trapezoidal prisms of chocolate that I was never allowed when I was a child?

    I can't remember the last time I visited a NT property, which is strange because in the 1980s it was more or less mandatory every Bank Holiday Monday.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited September 2024
    "Rachel Reeves faces Whitehall revolt over spending cuts
    Departments set to reject chancellor’s demands as ‘just not possible’ and ask for more money instead"

    https://www.ft.com
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,633
    Andy_JS said:

    "Rachel Reeves faces Whitehall revolt over spending cuts
    Departments set to reject chancellor’s demands as ‘just not possible’ and ask for more money instead"

    https://www.ft.com

    Tail wags dog.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,633
    Roger said:

    Keys is a very bitter man
    He’s not alone in that.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,633
    Cookie said:

    The idea is that half the food in the cafes will be vegan. The unsold half, presumably. Presumably because they hate their customers.
    Although they like their money.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,324
    I find these decisions a bit odd, as they allow any spoiler who manages to get onto the ballot to screw up the whole timetable by saying "I've changed my mind".

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/06/north-carolina-rfk-state-ballot

    "The North Carolina court of appeals made a last-minute decision on Friday to remove Kennedy’s name from presidential ballots, creating a scramble to reprint ballots and begin sending them to voters.

    In Michigan, a state appellate court also ruled on Friday that Kennedy’s name as the Natural Law party’s candidate must be stricken from ballots. The Michigan secretary of state’s office said it would appeal to the state supreme court."



  • Taz said:

    Although they like their money.
    From the story link:-

    National Trust catering is already about 40 per cent plant-based nationally, and the charity said it could increase to 50 per cent within two years if the resolution is passed, while keeping dairy, eggs and meat on the menu.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/06/national-trust-cafe-food-vegan-net-zero-hypocrisy-vote/ (£££)

    Not such a big move, then, from 40 to 50 per cent.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,324
    HYUFD said:

    Her choice to ride a cycle, which makes you more at risk from accidents and serious injury or even death than driving or travelling in a car. A motorbike even more so.

    Now yes the driver was also at fault (my original point was just the offence in question deserved a community order not jail). However if you choose to ride a bike which is harder to see and makes you more vulnerable on the roads you need to take extra care at all times, especially at junctions, roundabouts and on busy roads and when overtaking for your own protection if nothing else
    You are a dangerous driver blaming the cyclist. Would you come out with this "it's your fault for choosing to cycle" crap if the cyclist was a child?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,633

    From the story link:-

    National Trust catering is already about 40 per cent plant-based nationally, and the charity said it could increase to 50 per cent within two years if the resolution is passed, while keeping dairy, eggs and meat on the menu.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/06/national-trust-cafe-food-vegan-net-zero-hypocrisy-vote/ (£££)

    Not such a big move, then, from 40 to 50 per cent.
    It doesn’t bother me as such, it is just the pious claptrap about ‘saving the planet’’ as a justification. ‘Oh look at us, we’re being worthy’

    Their scones are nowhere near as good now they don’t have butter as a shortening. The cakes still okay.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,414
    Off topic: Kaos is well worth watching.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,865
    edited September 2024
    Taz said:

    Tail wags dog.
    No. If public services are to deliver, they need funding. Another decade or more of austerity solutions will not wash. As has been apparent for a long time Reeves is stuck in the coventional thinking of the 90s. You have to invest to deliver.

    That’s not to say that efficiencies can’t be made. But to do so will involve cutting out the control freakery of the Tory years and giving Departments freedom to deliver. The Tories tried to deliver ambitious outcomes without changing the fundamentals. Labour needs to be bolder.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,774
    rcs1000 said:

    Off topic: Kaos is well worth watching.

    Lot of fun.
    I wonder if they can keep it up in the second series ?
  • Leon said:

    i recommend Netflix TV series The Turning Point, on the War on Terror since 9/11

    Our abandonment of Afhganistan was utterly shameful

    Lessons

    1. America should have eliminated, one way or another, everyone in Guantanamo right from the off. China would have done exactly that. Stop pretending we are "better than China", it is western exceptionalism and it cripples us

    2. We need to wise up re Islamism. Good fences make good neighbours. We need fences

    That's a very good series.
  • Cookie said:

    While we're on about clickbaity-yet-seemingly-true stories in the headlines, in further evidence that they hate the British in general and their customers in particular, National Trust cafes to go half-vegan:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/06/national-trust-cafe-food-vegan-net-zero-hypocrisy-vote/

    The National Trust has been captured by a left-wing cabal.

    I cancelled my membership several years ago, and haven't looked back.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,774
    Liz Cheney on Trump and Vance.

    "This is my diplomatic way of putting it: they're misogynistic pigs."
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,633
    rcs1000 said:

    Off topic: Kaos is well worth watching.

    I’m going to get Netflix to watch the Vince McMahon documentary series so may well give this a go.
  • carnforth said:

    Yup. Half the dishes on the menu ain't half the food.

    See also all the remaindered "plant based" sandwiches in every Tesco.
    No-one likes to eat that shit.

    Trends on this stuff - already pretty niche - are going down, not up.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,414
    Taz said:

    I’m going to get Netflix to watch the Vince McMahon documentary series so may well give this a go.
    It's beautifully shot, slightly surreal, and Jeff Goldblum is perfectly cast as an insecure narcissistic Zeus

  • TazTaz Posts: 17,633

    The National Trust has been captured by a left-wing cabal.

    I cancelled my membership several years ago, and haven't looked back.
    I’ll still visit from time to time but cancelled my membership, not due to ongoing ideological capture, due to during COVID not being able to get access to the places I like to go. They’d announce a time tickets would be open to be booked and you’d go on and nothing. Check a few hours later, nothing. They’d then be released at a totally different time.

    Also they promised a discount on renewal but the renewal came through at full price. Apparently you had to claim it online.

    Fuck them.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,414
    Nigelb said:

    Lot of fun.
    I wonder if they can keep it up in the second series ?
    QTWTAIN

    That said, if you asked me which show it was most similar to, I'd say Succession, and that managed two excellent seasons.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,774
    rcs1000 said:

    It's beautifully shot, slightly surreal, and Jeff Goldblum is perfectly cast as an insecure narcissistic Zeus

    More importantly, it's well written.

    The cast is excellent all round.
    Regarding the perfect casting, apparently it was originally going to be Hugh Grant, but he dropped out because of scheduling problems.
    A happy accident, perhaps.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "'@RobbieRinder
    At the moment how many people have had their asylum claims rejected and are still to be deported?'

    Home Office Minister Dame Angela Eagle says 'these statistics are available if you want to look them up.'"

    https://x.com/GMB/status/1831961440669823031

    That’s an extraordinary answer. Presumably she doesn’t want video of her saying a number but she could have come up with a better response
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,774
    edited September 2024
    Sixth-generation wire-maker blames Brexit for shredding its business
    Owner of Ormiston Wire in London urges Keir Starmer not to forget small manufacturers in his dealings with EU
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/07/sixth-generation-uk-wire-maker-blames-brexit-shredding-business
    ...Make UK, the manufacturers’ trade body, said figures showed the number of products being exported to the EU had been reduced by 80%, with small- and medium-sized businesses worst hit.

    “Our exports have literally halved. We were making efforts to actually get more exports in Europe because British manufacturing was going down the toilet, which it has done now,” said Ormiston.

    With Keir Starmer vowing to reset relations with the EU, Ormiston implored the new prime minister to consider the smaller firms who do not have access to the Treasury or Labour party conference to make their voices heard.

    He added: “Make UK are the big guys, the British Aerospaces, the big manufacturers and organisations like the CBI [Confederation of British Industry]. We are irrelevant to them. But if you multiply me by a million little companies doing these little things, it does add up to a significant amount of British exports.

    “It’s consequences, isn’t it? When politicians have a great idea, they don’t live with the consequences so they don’t care. By the time it all kicks in they are dead or in the House of Lords.”..

  • Roger said:

    Keys is a very bitter man
    Nothing will even beat Churchill’s rejoinder when Stafford Cripps insisted on seeing him immediately

    “Tell the Lord Privy Seal that I am sealed in the privy and can only deal with one shit at a time”
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,865
    Nigelb said:

    Sixth-generation wire-maker blames Brexit for shredding its business
    Owner of Ormiston Wire in London urges Keir Starmer not to forget small manufacturers in his dealings with EU
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/07/sixth-generation-uk-wire-maker-blames-brexit-shredding-business
    ...Make UK, the manufacturers’ trade body, said figures showed the number of products being exported to the EU had been reduced by 80%, with small- and medium-sized businesses worst hit.

    “Our exports have literally halved. We were making efforts to actually get more exports in Europe because British manufacturing was going down the toilet, which it has done now,” said Ormiston.

    With Keir Starmer vowing to reset relations with the EU, Ormiston implored the new prime minister to consider the smaller firms who do not have access to the Treasury or Labour party conference to make their voices heard.

    He added: “Make UK are the big guys, the British Aerospaces, the big manufacturers and organisations like the CBI [Confederation of British Industry]. We are irrelevant to them. But if you multiply me by a million little companies doing these little things, it does add up to a significant amount of British exports.

    “It’s consequences, isn’t it? When politicians have a great idea, they don’t live with the consequences so they don’t care. By the time it all kicks in they are dead or in the House of Lords.”..

    I can never forgive the idiot wing of the Tory party for what they have done. Utter backward looking clowns.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    kamski said:

    You are a dangerous driver blaming the cyclist. Would you come out with this "it's your fault for choosing to cycle" crap if the cyclist was a child?
    Parents shouldn't allow their children to cycle on busy main roads anyway in my view.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,774

    Nothing will even beat Churchill’s rejoinder when Stafford Cripps insisted on seeing him immediately

    “Tell the Lord Privy Seal that I am sealed in the privy and can only deal with one shit at a time”
    I suspect that half the Churchill anecdotes were either made up entirely, or said after the event.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095

    The National Trust has been captured by a left-wing cabal.

    I cancelled my membership several years ago, and haven't looked back.
    Or do as I do and keep your membership but just vote for Restore Trust candidates at the AGM
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,160
    kamski said:

    You are a dangerous driver blaming the cyclist. Would you come out with this "it's your fault for choosing to cycle" crap if the cyclist was a child?
    I wouldn't be surprised. A kid near me was killed as he cycled to school (driver arrested), but the car brains were suggesting that the parents were at fault for letting him do so.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,865
    HYUFD said:

    Or do as I do and keep your membership but just vote for Restore Trust candidates at the AGM
    I vote for those I Trust and it isn’t those Bufton Tufton types.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    Eabhal said:

    I wouldn't be surprised. A kid near me was killed as he cycled to school (driver arrested), but the car brains were suggesting that the parents were at fault for letting him do so.
    You can't drive a car until 17, you shouldn't be able to cycle on a main road until the same age either
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884
    edited September 2024
    Nigelb said:

    Sixth-generation wire-maker blames Brexit for shredding its business
    Owner of Ormiston Wire in London urges Keir Starmer not to forget small manufacturers in his dealings with EU
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/07/sixth-generation-uk-wire-maker-blames-brexit-shredding-business
    ...Make UK, the manufacturers’ trade body, said figures showed the number of products being exported to the EU had been reduced by 80%, with small- and medium-sized businesses worst hit.

    “Our exports have literally halved. We were making efforts to actually get more exports in Europe because British manufacturing was going down the toilet, which it has done now,” said Ormiston.

    With Keir Starmer vowing to reset relations with the EU, Ormiston implored the new prime minister to consider the smaller firms who do not have access to the Treasury or Labour party conference to make their voices heard.

    He added: “Make UK are the big guys, the British Aerospaces, the big manufacturers and organisations like the CBI [Confederation of British Industry]. We are irrelevant to them. But if you multiply me by a million little companies doing these little things, it does add up to a significant amount of British exports.

    “It’s consequences, isn’t it? When politicians have a great idea, they don’t live with the consequences so they don’t care. By the time it all kicks in they are dead or in the House of Lords.”..

    Small exporting businesses have been clobbered by Brexit. I'm not sure what government and agencies can do about it, frustrating as it is for them.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,160
    HYUFD said:

    You can't drive a car until 17, you shouldn't be able to cycle on a main road until the same age either
    And there you go
  • From the story link:-

    National Trust catering is already about 40 per cent plant-based nationally, and the charity said it could increase to 50 per cent within two years if the resolution is passed, while keeping dairy, eggs and meat on the menu.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/09/06/national-trust-cafe-food-vegan-net-zero-hypocrisy-vote/ (£££)

    Not such a big move, then, from 40 to 50 per cent.

    But why do they need a plan? Surely you just cater to all customers and stock what sells?

    (Although the quote above reads like it is a response to a series of questions from the telegraph that ended up with “sure, yes we might get over 50% in a few years” rather than an actual policy)
  • Taz said:

    It doesn’t bother me as such, it is just the pious claptrap about ‘saving the planet’’ as a justification. ‘Oh look at us, we’re being worthy’

    Their scones are nowhere near as good now they don’t have butter as a shortening. The cakes still okay.
    A scone just isn't worth having if it's not made with butter.

    I enjoy a lot of vegan food, when it's proper food that simply doesn't happen to include any meat or dairy. But taking something and replacing its essential ingredient with an inferior alternative is a waste of time. I don't want an ersatz scone.
  • That’s an extraordinary answer. Presumably she doesn’t want video of her saying a number but she could have come up with a better response
    That's weird because now would be a perfect time to announce that x claims had been rejected under the Tory government, but the incompetent halfwits had failed to deport them, but since the election we have already deported y, and are committed to making the system work by deporting failed claimants promptly and efficiently.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,633

    A scone just isn't worth having if it's not made with butter.

    I enjoy a lot of vegan food, when it's proper food that simply doesn't happen to include any meat or dairy. But taking something and replacing its essential ingredient with an inferior alternative is a waste of time. I don't want an ersatz scone.
    Completely agree. I’m a decent cook and make a decent scone. Once made some but as I had no butter I used Olivio. Utterly terrible. Always butter from then on.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567
    FF43 said:

    If I understand this correctly the schools the parent applied for were oversubscribed and her child didn't meet the criteria for admission. The local authority then suggested a way they could jump the queue by claiming poverty on the school fees, which was also illegal. Presumably the parent could have got their child into a school that wasn't their preference and that is frequent outcome when parents apply normally. In general however you wouldn't move unless it's to a preferred choice, hence the normal recommendation to stay put if you don't get your preference.

    A bit different from what was implied by the summary.
    Yes, but:

    The local authority has a *statutory duty* to provide an education to anyone under 18 in their area, for free.

    They are *not* allowed - and I really mean not allowed - to means test it. The person who asked for that financial data may have committed an offence.

    If the preferred schools are full, they should have offered places at another school instead. Then it is up to the parents to decide whether to take it, or either try and find the money somehow or go with home schooling.

    Of course, the government could have avoided stories like this by introducing the policy for all fees from September 2025. But that would have been a sensible policy and VAT on private school fees is essentially red meat to appease those weirdos like BJO who haven't (unlike him) left the party yet.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,865

    But why do they need a plan? Surely you just cater to all customers and stock what sells?

    (Although the quote above reads like it is a response to a series of questions from the telegraph that ended up with “sure, yes we might get over 50% in a few years” rather than an actual policy)
    Let’s face it. The Telegraph is just out to get the veins on it’s readership’s temples throbbing.

    A bit of catnip for the permanently purple.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,724

    Never mind carbonara. Did you know that Kamala Harris is a diva when it comes to pens?

    https://x.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1415322973821624327

    Former Harris staffers said they were well acquainted with her preferred writing tool: Pilot Precise V7 Roller Ball pens. The pens are "seared into everyone's brain,” a former aide said

    Like King Charles?
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,633

    But why do they need a plan? Surely you just cater to all customers and stock what sells?

    (Although the quote above reads like it is a response to a series of questions from the telegraph that ended up with “sure, yes we might get over 50% in a few years” rather than an actual policy)
    No, it’s up for a members vote so it is something they are actively considering,

    Though quite why members should vote on the catering offer I don’t know.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567
    biggles said:

    All proper puddings come with custard.
    I'm imagining a Yorkshire pudding and black pudding toad in the hole, with custard.

    I'd rather eat pizza with pineapple on it.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    edited September 2024
    ydoethur said:

    Yes, but:

    The local authority has a *statutory duty* to provide an education to anyone under 18 in their area, for free.

    They are *not* allowed - and I really mean not allowed - to means test it. The person who asked for that financial data may have committed an offence.

    If the preferred schools are full, they should have offered places at another school instead. Then it is up to the parents to decide whether to take it, or either try and find the money somehow or go with home schooling.

    Of course, the government could have avoided stories like this by introducing the policy for all fees from September 2025. But that would have been a sensible policy and VAT on private school fees is essentially red meat to appease those weirdos like BJO who haven't (unlike him) left the party yet.
    Delaying the policy until September 2025 wouldn't have fixed the forthcoming issue - which is that most schools will be sized to cater for the expected school age population less an estimate for private school numbers and the popular schools will always be 100% full with a waiting list.

    Worse I don't think Southern Bucks has that many crap schools and a lot of people come in from the surround counties filling up any spare spaces available - so it's perfectly possible that the issue the person in Bucks has is that there are NO places to accommodate the new intake.

    And on the fact that Councils no longer have any ability to override the decision of the headmaster of an academy trust school and I can see December / January creating some very bad headlines for this Government. In fact the main Christmas holiday story almost writes itself.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    edited September 2024
    Good morning everyone.

    Very interesting BBC article comparing building and fire strategy between a Council Tower Block, Invicta House (1970s), in Thanet with the Landmark Pinnacle (post-Grenfell), a private block in Canary Wharf.

    Big contrasts as would be expected, in quality but also in fire strategy..

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2912gz5xgo
  • Nigelb said:


    I suspect that half the Churchill anecdotes were either made up entirely, or said after the event.
    How about “the best off-the-cuff remarks take several hours preparation”?
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    Taz said:

    No, it’s up for a members vote so it is something they are actively considering,

    Though quite why members should vote on the catering offer I don’t know.
    Because it was raised as an resolution item by members of the trust and received sufficient support that it is resolution that needs to be voted on.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,567
    eek said:

    Delaying the policy until September 2025 wouldn't have fixed the forthcoming issue - which is that most schools will be sized to cater for the expected school age population less an estimate for private school numbers and the popular schools will always be 100% full with a waiting list.

    Worse I don't think Southern Bucks has that many crap schools and a lot of people come in from the surround counties filling up any spare spaces available - so it's perfectly possible that the issue the person in Bucks has is that there are NO places to accommodate the new intake.

    And on the fact that Councils no longer have any ability to override the decision of the headmaster of an academy trust school and I can see December / January creating some very bad headlines for this Government. In fact the main Christmas holiday story almost writes itself.
    It would, however, have given much more time to sort it out. And time is not to be despised in these cases.

    So leaving aside the merits of VAT on private school fees (there aren't really any merits to it, except political ones) introducing it in the way that has been done was utter stupidity.

    Reeves is a chess champion. If she's this tactically short sighted I'm amazed she ever won a game.

    We also come back to the key point - asking the parents for financial data to means test council provided schooling is unlawful. Whatever idiot sent that email, whatever the context, is an imbecile and needs the sack.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    edited September 2024
    ydoethur said:

    I'm imagining a Yorkshire pudding and black pudding toad in the hole, with custard.

    I'd rather eat pizza with pineapple on it.
    We've covered that previously - TSE admits to drinking pineapple juice (at times) when eating pizza..
  • Nothing will even beat Churchill’s rejoinder when Stafford Cripps insisted on seeing him immediately

    “Tell the Lord Privy Seal that I am sealed in the privy and can only deal with one shit at a time”
    Stafford Cripps was an absolute traitor; someone who put Russia ahead of his own country.

    Having said that, he was rather useful during WW2.
  • That's weird because now would be a perfect time to announce that x claims had been rejected under the Tory government, but the incompetent halfwits had failed to deport them, but since the election we have already deported y, and are committed to making the system work by deporting failed claimants promptly and efficiently.
    That would be much better, yes
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    How about “the best off-the-cuff remarks take several hours preparation”?
    Ask any comedian, who does the same apparently off-the-cuff show hundreds of times, and before that spent hours in clubs changing a word here and a word there of every joke, until it was ‘right’.
  • That's weird because now would be a perfect time to announce that x claims had been rejected under the Tory government, but the incompetent halfwits had failed to deport them, but since the election we have already deported y, and are committed to making the system work by deporting failed claimants promptly and efficiently.
    Having listed to the whole clip I think she doesn’t know. She comes across as poorly prepared and not on top of her brief

  • Let’s face it. The Telegraph is just out to get the veins on it’s readership’s temples
    throbbing.

    A bit of catnip for the permanently purple.
    It’s disappointing. I used to enjoy it a great deal but now rarely read it even when I’ve got nothing else to do
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited September 2024
    eek said:

    Because it was raised as an resolution item by members of the trust and received sufficient support that it is resolution that needs to be voted on.
    So purely political then, rather like the student unions in the ‘90s spending hours arguing about whether the union’s shop should sell KitKats.

    Something likely to cost the NT money, and result in more food waste, by not taking into account what their customers actually want to buy.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884
    edited September 2024
    ydoethur said:

    Yes, but:

    The local authority has a *statutory duty* to provide an education to anyone under 18 in their area, for free.

    They are *not* allowed - and I really mean not allowed - to means test it. The person who asked for that financial data may have committed an offence.

    If the preferred schools are full, they should have offered places at another school instead. Then it is up to the parents to decide whether to take it, or either try and find the money somehow or go with home schooling.

    Of course, the government could have avoided stories like this by introducing the policy for all fees from September 2025. But that would have been a sensible policy and VAT on private school fees is essentially red meat to appease those weirdos like BJO who haven't (unlike him) left the party yet.
    You're making my original point about local authorities not being allowed to evade an absolute obligation to provide a school place. I misunderstood what the council did here however.

    The letter is garbled and I suspect checking fee paying status was never policy as it would be so obviously illegal.

    Maybe the person dealing with the case went to someone more experienced who told them, we often get private school parents applying for grammar school places but they never take allocated places at other schools unless they really can't afford the fees at their current place. That somehow got conflated with the usual advice to stay put unless you get your preference.
  • NEW THREAD

  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    edited September 2024
    HYUFD said:

    You can't drive a car until 17, you shouldn't be able to cycle on a main road until the same age either
    That's a clear position (albeit one I find strange), but it's not thought through on its own terms.

    A 50cc Moped, 350kg Light Quadricycle or Motor Trike can be ridden on the road at 16, speed limited to 28mph. That includes a 3 wheel minivan such as a Piaggio Ape.

    The "on main roads" is a bigger question with all sorts of grey areas.
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