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You would have won, or at least been in with a shout of winning, the last election but for Truss. Sure, Johnson was lagging in the polls, but if he had passed the baton to nearly anyone else (or had the moral compass to make him fit to continue in office) the gap could have been closed. As it was you guys shat the bed 2/3 of the way through the Parliament, leaving you no time to recover.MarqueeMark said:
That strategy didn't exactly go well for the Tories, did it?DougSeal said:
If you're going to do unpopular things do them first. They've five years to manage expectations.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Mrs Thatch made her unpopular decisions first. She also had Galtieri inadvertently on her side of course…0 -
7 weeks in, and years away from an election. The country is in a parlous state, needs some hard decisions taking and the public need to come to terms with them. Telling us it's all sunlit uplands isn't going to cut it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=191 -
Interesting age profile in the change.rottenborough said:
Snatching the coals from the winter fires of the old folk has gone well then.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Very poor start from Reeves frankly.
Go on, guess.
That's right, the increased disapproval is dominated by the 65+ age range, where disapproval is leading 72-16. By the time you get down to the 25-49 bracket, the disapproval lead is only 41-26.
And given where boosterism got us under Boris, a cold shower of reality may be what we need.
(And for context, the overall YouGov approve/disapprove scores are roughly where they were during the vaccine bounce. The YouGov panel really are ungrateful so-and-sos.)
Full data set here:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/government-approval1 -
You also have the growth of daytime TV and the costs associated with making programmes for that. Although they may be cheap,to make, in general, they still take a chunk from the budget,MJW said:
The 90s was a golden era for British TV - especially for comedy but also lots of great drama. I think because lots of barriers were broken down in the 80s and so commissioning editors would pretty much allow talent to go off and do what it wanted.DougSeal said:
I think British TV was starting to decline in the 90s. Its high water mark was the 80s.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Reality TV and digitalisation arguably ended that in the 2000s. Once ratings begun to go into permanent decline and programmers had lots of data on hand they began producing the same old mush plus the odd prestige show.
TV comedy in particular has been killed by the panel show - as they're so cheap to make and inoffensive. No one's going to give a couple of people with a weird but possibly hilarious idea for a sitcom a load of money to make it when they can have several series of a panel show for the same cost.
Channel 4 was a real innovator on comedy many years ago. New comedy is rare now due to the rise in the panel show.1 -
There must be a way of buying it for £1, wiping out the shareholders and bond holders, but taking on and paying suppliers’ debts. It would demonstrate that the Government won’t continue Tory policy of supporting the big guys at the expense of the small guys.mercator said:
Unsecured suppliers of pipes and valves will get pennies in the pound. Otherwise agree (but without the vitriol, there's nothing inherently evil about owning waterco debt or equity)Malmesbury said:
I want a list of the reason why not - the permanent system of government is violently against letting the market do it's thing (AKA fuck around and find out)Big_G_NorthWales said:
Indeed and wipe out the shareholders and not just at Thames but apparently virtually all of them who say the sameydoethur said:Let it go bust.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2lgl9kypno
A company as badly run as that with so many questions over where the money has gone should not be asking for hiked bills in a monopoly they have mismanaged to survive.
Not, at least, until they have explained how debts ballooned while they were paying dividends claiming large profits - and recovered that money....
So far we have
- But the suppliers to Thames Water... (simples - if you are a supplier of pipe, valves and the like, you will get paid. If you are a shareholder, or bond holder, FU)
- But the pension funds... (Ha Ha)
- But the foreign pension funds.... (Ha Ha Ha Ha)
- But the UK market reputation... (Fuck off and die horribly).2 -
There was a time when you could go racing and there would be a room set aside for traders who wanted to play the exchanges using real time data from the track comparted with the delays on SIS (into betting shops) and the specialist racing channels (RUK and at the time ATR nor Sky Sports Racing) which were up to five seconds.Sandpit said:
Yes there’s been a few good stories of drones filming horse racing for betting syndicates. They can get the feed a few seconds ahead of the official broadcast.Flatlander said:
Nah, you set up your own live video feed ahead of broadcast...and sell that to punters.Sandpit said:
So what you want to do is to ban the terrestrial TV from showing live sports, then arrange for a friend courtsiding while you slam Betfair during the delay.Anabobazina said:
Yes, and streaming does a lousy job of streaming sports – it is often 120 seconds behind. The lag is prohibitive during major live events. If that can be fixed, reliably, it might eventually take over. But, for now, proper TV has an unbeatable edge on sports – and streaming a fatal flaw.Sandpit said:
Twitter is already better for live news, so it’s now just sports keeping people to linear programming.Foss said:
Culturally, I expect that the 20s will be noted for the total collapse of traditional broadcasters amongst the working age and youth.TimS said:
I agree, it's stepwise. Things jumped from 1870-1900, 1914-1918, 1939-1945, 1955-1970, 1986-1993, 2007-2021, and stayed fairly stable in the intervening years.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
Netflix have done a couple of very successful live broadcast comedy shows this year, but they’re inevitably picking a time slot for the larger US audience.
This is a betting site after all!
Someone is paying for that £10k drone that appears over Doncaster Common during racing...
https://dronedj.com/2021/07/09/and-theyre-off-uk-drone-pilots-feed-live-horse-race-videos-to-betting-rings/
https://www.wired.com/story/horse-racing-drone/
That would be a cool job to do if I was in the UK.
There is even a fractional delay on pictures broadcast at the track - the only real way was to have someone on course with a mobile or a laptop for in-running trading.
I'm not sure how or even if that has been resolved. The amounts traded on Betfair have fallen a lot in recent times and it may just be the end of the line for that form of in-running betting.2 -
There is a balance and Blair knew how to do ittwistedfirestopper3 said:
7 weeks in, and years away from an election. The country is in a parlous state, needs some hard decisions taking and the public need to come to terms with them. Telling us it's all sunlit uplands isn't going to cut it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=190 -
If its genuinely 10 seconds and you are betting on football with an approx 5 second delay and where major events trigger a suspension from the site as on Betfair its not going to make a big difference for anyone bar ultra high volume, ultra low margin bots. Very different from a sport like tennis where the odds swing dramatically without protection for those on slower feeds.Sandpit said:
As opposed to 1-2s delay on a Signal message from your courtsider in the ground.noneoftheabove said:
Sounds optimistic but if they are trailing 10 seconds imagine it is less than 20. And will come down further in time.Anabobazina said:
Well, we shall see!noneoftheabove said:
Amazon claiming their new CL coverage this season will be 10 seconds delay on any modern device including phone. They have one group match per week.Anabobazina said:
Yes, and streaming does a lousy job of streaming sports – it is often 120 seconds behind. The lag is prohibitive during major live events. If that can be fixed, reliably, it might eventually take over. But, for now, proper TV has an unbeatable edge on sports – and streaming a fatal flaw.Sandpit said:
Twitter is already better for live news, so it’s now just sports keeping people to linear programming.Foss said:
Culturally, I expect that the 20s will be noted for the total collapse of traditional broadcasters amongst the working age and youth.TimS said:
I agree, it's stepwise. Things jumped from 1870-1900, 1914-1918, 1939-1945, 1955-1970, 1986-1993, 2007-2021, and stayed fairly stable in the intervening years.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
Netflix have done a couple of very successful live broadcast comedy shows this year, but they’re inevitably picking a time slot for the larger US audience.0 -
Cook Political Report has good polling news for Harris in North Carolina (compared to May). Now moved to Toss Up:
Trump +7 to now Harris +1
Independent voters Trump +4 to now Harris +95 -
Don't know what it's like at your ends, but have twice had occasion just to rock up at the Dental Hospital* and ask for an emergency appointment. They were great on both occasions. If they won't see you they could at least point you in the right direction.viewcode said:I had some bad news today. As you know earlier in the year I complained about tooth loss with two extracted in Q1 and a third planned for Q3/4. I planned to handle this by going abroad to get implants.
Unfortunately the situation has accelerated and it appears that two, not one, will need to be extracted in Q3/Q4 and ongoing gum disease and bone loss (yes, really) bring into question my suitability for implants
The minimum treatment now required is surgery and the use of bone cement/grafts to reinforce the vanishing bone. This is beyond the capacity of the average dentist and will require the services of a more advanced one, such as a periodontist or a dental reconstruction dentist.
My question to the PB brains trust is: what qualification or job title or membership should I look for? For example, the Dip Impl Dent RCSEd is a qualification, The British Society of Peridontology and Implant Dentistry is a society, a "periodontist" is a job title.
Would be grateful for pointer, folks
Kind regards,
@viewcode
* These were teaching hospitals, so in both cases the rare condition of my eldest was seen as an opportunity to teach.
* Expect a lot of people looking in your mouth.0 -
Blair took over a decent economy and legacy from Major, that iteration of the Tory party had just run out of ideas. Completely different to the destructive last few years and tough economy and demographics.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is a balance and Blair knew how to do ittwistedfirestopper3 said:
7 weeks in, and years away from an election. The country is in a parlous state, needs some hard decisions taking and the public need to come to terms with them. Telling us it's all sunlit uplands isn't going to cut it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=191 -
So does Starmer it seems.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is a balance and Blair knew how to do ittwistedfirestopper3 said:
7 weeks in, and years away from an election. The country is in a parlous state, needs some hard decisions taking and the public need to come to terms with them. Telling us it's all sunlit uplands isn't going to cut it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Self-entitled whinging shits complaining they're losing their goodies need to be ignored.
Quit whinging.0 -
No way the Tories deserved anything other than a shellacking after making Truss PM.DougSeal said:
You would have won, or at least been in with a shout of winning, the last election but for Truss. Sure, Johnson was lagging in the polls, but if he had passed the baton to nearly anyone else (or had the moral compass to make him fit to continue in office) the gap could have been closed. As it was you guys shat the bed 2/3 of the way through the Parliament, leaving you no time to recover.MarqueeMark said:
That strategy didn't exactly go well for the Tories, did it?DougSeal said:
If you're going to do unpopular things do them first. They've five years to manage expectations.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Mrs Thatch made her unpopular decisions first. She also had Galtieri inadvertently on her side of course…
Idiot MPs who put her to the members, idiot members for backing her over Rishi.3 -
I had a brief word with the perp last time.Sandpit said:
Yes there’s been a few good stories of drones filming horse racing for betting syndicates. They can get the feed a few seconds ahead of the official broadcast.Flatlander said:
Nah, you set up your own live video feed ahead of broadcast...and sell that to punters.Sandpit said:
So what you want to do is to ban the terrestrial TV from showing live sports, then arrange for a friend courtsiding while you slam Betfair during the delay.Anabobazina said:
Yes, and streaming does a lousy job of streaming sports – it is often 120 seconds behind. The lag is prohibitive during major live events. If that can be fixed, reliably, it might eventually take over. But, for now, proper TV has an unbeatable edge on sports – and streaming a fatal flaw.Sandpit said:
Twitter is already better for live news, so it’s now just sports keeping people to linear programming.Foss said:
Culturally, I expect that the 20s will be noted for the total collapse of traditional broadcasters amongst the working age and youth.TimS said:
I agree, it's stepwise. Things jumped from 1870-1900, 1914-1918, 1939-1945, 1955-1970, 1986-1993, 2007-2021, and stayed fairly stable in the intervening years.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
Netflix have done a couple of very successful live broadcast comedy shows this year, but they’re inevitably picking a time slot for the larger US audience.
This is a betting site after all!
Someone is paying for that £10k drone that appears over Doncaster Common during racing...
https://dronedj.com/2021/07/09/and-theyre-off-uk-drone-pilots-feed-live-horse-race-videos-to-betting-rings/
https://www.wired.com/story/horse-racing-drone/
That would be a cool job to do if I was in the UK.
Seemed to be an amusement on the side for a surveyor with a legitimate job, although I'm not totally convinced he was sticking to the flight rules for a large UAV. I suppose he could have had a written risk assessment, flight plan and insurance but I'm not sure he had the permission of the landowner for where he took off from...
I'm surprised he wasn't using a Mini (under 250g) as they get round 99% of the rules and are almost invisible but I guess they want something that will cope in any wind and produce a 4K feed.1 -
This is trending on an American pop culture gossip site. Guess the name of the band. 🎸 🥁 🎤
Apparently, insurance companies don't think the reunion of this foreign group is 100% certain and are charging the promoter about ten times the going rate for premiums because they seem sure there will be cancellations.
https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2024/08/blind-item-5_28.html0 -
How is RealClearPolitics going? There is a weird quirk where they are out of sync with other polling aggregators on swing state polling.MarqueeMark said:Cook Political Report has good polling news for Harris in North Carolina (compared to May). Now moved to Toss Up:
Trump +7 to now Harris +1
Independent voters Trump +4 to now Harris +90 -
MarqueeMark said:
Cook Political Report has good polling news for Harris in North Carolina (compared to May). Now moved to Toss Up:
Trump +7 to now Harris +1
Independent voters Trump +4 to now Harris +9
I'm on Dems in NC at 2.56 3 -
The WFA is one issue which is controversial, but Starmer's negativity and doom and gloom is over egging the politics and generally people want to hear an upbeat tone - Blair would not have delivered the speech yesterday that Starmer didBartholomewRoberts said:
So does Starmer it seems.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is a balance and Blair knew how to do ittwistedfirestopper3 said:
7 weeks in, and years away from an election. The country is in a parlous state, needs some hard decisions taking and the public need to come to terms with them. Telling us it's all sunlit uplands isn't going to cut it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Self-entitled whinging shits complaining they're losing their goodies need to be ignored.
Quit whinging.0 -
Well, this is shite really isn't it? The polls are quite clear. They went into the floor with Truss and the minibudget, they recovered a smidge when Sunak took over, and they then continued a steady downward trajectory that he owns completely. The fictional phenomenon you've just invented would show a completely different polling trajectory. Starmer’s polling will be the same - a brief (already over afaics) boost of relief that we now have a competent outfit in charge, followed by increasing disillusionment as they realise he plans to do nothing about the issues Britain faces expect make them worse.DougSeal said:
You would have won, or at least been in with a shout of winning, the last election but for Truss. Sure, Johnson was lagging in the polls, but if he had passed the baton to nearly anyone else (or had the moral compass to make him fit to continue in office) the gap could have been closed. As it was you guys shat the bed 2/3 of the way through the Parliament, leaving you no time to recover.MarqueeMark said:
That strategy didn't exactly go well for the Tories, did it?DougSeal said:
If you're going to do unpopular things do them first. They've five years to manage expectations.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Mrs Thatch made her unpopular decisions first. She also had Galtieri inadvertently on her side of course…0 -
Bankruptcy combined with a loan guarantee for suppliers bills backed by the government should do that.Fairliered said:
There must be a way of buying it for £1, wiping out the shareholders and bond holders, but taking on and paying suppliers’ debts. It would demonstrate that the Government won’t continue Tory policy of supporting the big guys at the expense of the small guys.mercator said:
Unsecured suppliers of pipes and valves will get pennies in the pound. Otherwise agree (but without the vitriol, there's nothing inherently evil about owning waterco debt or equity)Malmesbury said:
I want a list of the reason why not - the permanent system of government is violently against letting the market do it's thing (AKA fuck around and find out)Big_G_NorthWales said:
Indeed and wipe out the shareholders and not just at Thames but apparently virtually all of them who say the sameydoethur said:Let it go bust.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2lgl9kypno
A company as badly run as that with so many questions over where the money has gone should not be asking for hiked bills in a monopoly they have mismanaged to survive.
Not, at least, until they have explained how debts ballooned while they were paying dividends claiming large profits - and recovered that money....
So far we have
- But the suppliers to Thames Water... (simples - if you are a supplier of pipe, valves and the like, you will get paid. If you are a shareholder, or bond holder, FU)
- But the pension funds... (Ha Ha)
- But the foreign pension funds.... (Ha Ha Ha Ha)
- But the UK market reputation... (Fuck off and die horribly).
Without the debt, Thames Water is a very profitable business. The risk for the suppliers is x months of not getting paid as the bankruptcy gets sorted out.
Edit: smart would be for the government to charge a healthy rate of interest to the relaunched company for the loans to secure the suppliers bills. Could easily turn a profit.1 -
The PB Tory strategy is the opposite - keep giving away free stuff and pretend everything is great. Bizarre, but there it is.twistedfirestopper3 said:
7 weeks in, and years away from an election. The country is in a parlous state, needs some hard decisions taking and the public need to come to terms with them. Telling us it's all sunlit uplands isn't going to cut it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=191 -
And, ultimately, Blair's government was a wasted opportunity. Not in the sense of achieving nothing, but there was political and fiscal space to put life in the UK on a more sustainable path... and a lot of that was fluffed.noneoftheabove said:
Blair took over a decent economy and legacy from Major, that iteration of the Tory party had just run out of ideas. Completely different to the destructive last few years and tough economy and demographics.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is a balance and Blair knew how to do ittwistedfirestopper3 said:
7 weeks in, and years away from an election. The country is in a parlous state, needs some hard decisions taking and the public need to come to terms with them. Telling us it's all sunlit uplands isn't going to cut it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Look at his lack of mid-term blues. Nature's way of saying you aren't governing radically enough.1 -
It isn't for old farts. I still watch telly.BartholomewRoberts said:
Because telly is for old farts now.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Everyone else is spending time online, as we are here, not watching the telly.
And streaming means it doesn't matter if its 99% shit as there's so many things out there there's something for everyone.1 -
Idiot MPs giving them Sunak and Truss - two less suited people to lead the country could hardly be found.MarqueeMark said:
No way the Tories deserved anything other than a shellacking after making Truss PM.DougSeal said:
You would have won, or at least been in with a shout of winning, the last election but for Truss. Sure, Johnson was lagging in the polls, but if he had passed the baton to nearly anyone else (or had the moral compass to make him fit to continue in office) the gap could have been closed. As it was you guys shat the bed 2/3 of the way through the Parliament, leaving you no time to recover.MarqueeMark said:
That strategy didn't exactly go well for the Tories, did it?DougSeal said:
If you're going to do unpopular things do them first. They've five years to manage expectations.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Mrs Thatch made her unpopular decisions first. She also had Galtieri inadvertently on her side of course…
Idiot MPs who put her to the members, idiot members for backing her over Rishi.0 -
The panel show did however give us Carrot in a Box and Carrot in a Box: the Rematch though.Taz said:
You also have the growth of daytime TV and the costs associated with making programmes for that. Although they may be cheap,to make, in general, they still take a chunk from the budget,MJW said:
The 90s was a golden era for British TV - especially for comedy but also lots of great drama. I think because lots of barriers were broken down in the 80s and so commissioning editors would pretty much allow talent to go off and do what it wanted.DougSeal said:
I think British TV was starting to decline in the 90s. Its high water mark was the 80s.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Reality TV and digitalisation arguably ended that in the 2000s. Once ratings begun to go into permanent decline and programmers had lots of data on hand they began producing the same old mush plus the odd prestige show.
TV comedy in particular has been killed by the panel show - as they're so cheap to make and inoffensive. No one's going to give a couple of people with a weird but possibly hilarious idea for a sitcom a load of money to make it when they can have several series of a panel show for the same cost.
Channel 4 was a real innovator on comedy many years ago. New comedy is rare now due to the rise in the panel show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGuPvrsG3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp04HZDCELw2 -
Just ignore them.Anabobazina said:
How is RealClearPolitics going? There is a weird quirk where they are out of sync with other polling aggregators on swing state polling.MarqueeMark said:Cook Political Report has good polling news for Harris in North Carolina (compared to May). Now moved to Toss Up:
Trump +7 to now Harris +1
Independent voters Trump +4 to now Harris +92 -
There is a need to give a bit of hope. People tolerate a bit of blood, toil, sweat and tears if they expect sunny uplands.Stuartinromford said:
Interesting age profile in the change.rottenborough said:
Snatching the coals from the winter fires of the old folk has gone well then.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Very poor start from Reeves frankly.
Go on, guess.
That's right, the increased disapproval is dominated by the 65+ age range, where disapproval is leading 72-16. By the time you get down to the 25-49 bracket, the disapproval lead is only 41-26.
And given where boosterism got us under Boris, a cold shower of reality may be what we need.
(And for context, the overall YouGov approve/disapprove scores are roughly where they were during the vaccine bounce. The YouGov panel really are ungrateful so-and-sos.)
Full data set here:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/government-approval
Taking sweeties off the oldies was never going to be popular. Go the whole hog and scrap the triple lock for next year, the buggers aren't going to vote Labour anyway.
Tell them that it is the price of the Brexit that they voted for.0 -
New comedy is rare due to the expense of it relative to other formats and the inability for comedy to travel so the costs need to be fully covered within the UK market.Taz said:
You also have the growth of daytime TV and the costs associated with making programmes for that. Although they may be cheap,to make, in general, they still take a chunk from the budget,MJW said:
The 90s was a golden era for British TV - especially for comedy but also lots of great drama. I think because lots of barriers were broken down in the 80s and so commissioning editors would pretty much allow talent to go off and do what it wanted.DougSeal said:
I think British TV was starting to decline in the 90s. Its high water mark was the 80s.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Reality TV and digitalisation arguably ended that in the 2000s. Once ratings begun to go into permanent decline and programmers had lots of data on hand they began producing the same old mush plus the odd prestige show.
TV comedy in particular has been killed by the panel show - as they're so cheap to make and inoffensive. No one's going to give a couple of people with a weird but possibly hilarious idea for a sitcom a load of money to make it when they can have several series of a panel show for the same cost.
Channel 4 was a real innovator on comedy many years ago. New comedy is rare now due to the rise in the panel show.
It’s also the case that even panel shows are getting rarer as even the economics of that type of show doesn’t work nowadays1 -
RIP Sean Lock.MarqueeMark said:
The panel show did however give us Carrot in a Box and Carrot in a Box: the Rematch though.Taz said:
You also have the growth of daytime TV and the costs associated with making programmes for that. Although they may be cheap,to make, in general, they still take a chunk from the budget,MJW said:
The 90s was a golden era for British TV - especially for comedy but also lots of great drama. I think because lots of barriers were broken down in the 80s and so commissioning editors would pretty much allow talent to go off and do what it wanted.DougSeal said:
I think British TV was starting to decline in the 90s. Its high water mark was the 80s.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Reality TV and digitalisation arguably ended that in the 2000s. Once ratings begun to go into permanent decline and programmers had lots of data on hand they began producing the same old mush plus the odd prestige show.
TV comedy in particular has been killed by the panel show - as they're so cheap to make and inoffensive. No one's going to give a couple of people with a weird but possibly hilarious idea for a sitcom a load of money to make it when they can have several series of a panel show for the same cost.
Channel 4 was a real innovator on comedy many years ago. New comedy is rare now due to the rise in the panel show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGuPvrsG3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp04HZDCELw
That comedy Countdown show was one of the funniest things on TV for years. Originally it was a one-off for a Telethon charity thingy, and has run for over 100 shows.3 -
I have both Sky an BT sports packages and watch many hours of sportkinabalu said:
It isn't for old farts. I still watch telly.BartholomewRoberts said:
Because telly is for old farts now.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Everyone else is spending time online, as we are here, not watching the telly.
And streaming means it doesn't matter if its 99% shit as there's so many things out there there's something for everyone.
For news it is generally Sky and occasionally BBC
The only other programme I watch would you believe is 'Emmerdale'
I read the mail, telegraph, and guardian on line together with North Wales live
I have no interest in anything else on TV at all1 -
WFA means testing is mostly popular enough;Big_G_NorthWales said:
The WFA is one issue which is controversial, but Starmer's negativity and doom and gloom is over egging the politics and generally people want to hear an upbeat tone - Blair would not have delivered the speech yesterday that Starmer didBartholomewRoberts said:
So does Starmer it seems.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is a balance and Blair knew how to do ittwistedfirestopper3 said:
7 weeks in, and years away from an election. The country is in a parlous state, needs some hard decisions taking and the public need to come to terms with them. Telling us it's all sunlit uplands isn't going to cut it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Self-entitled whinging shits complaining they're losing their goodies need to be ignored.
Quit whinging.
Total support 47%
Total oppose 38%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2024/07/30/65187/1
Most policies would give their eye teeth for those figures. (The age profile of opposition is left as a very easy exercise for the reader.)0 -
Once upon a time the phrase 'PB Tory' meant something. There was undoubtedly a strong Tory bias here, and understandably so because that represented the most sensible view. I think that's long gone though. Despite high hopes nothing much that equates to sense ever came out of the Johnson government, and when Truss lurched into the picture in a way that'd give broken down evil witches of all directions nightmares, well then it was all over.Anabobazina said:
The PB Tory strategy is the opposite - keep giving away free stuff and pretend everything is great. Bizarre, but there it is.twistedfirestopper3 said:
7 weeks in, and years away from an election. The country is in a parlous state, needs some hard decisions taking and the public need to come to terms with them. Telling us it's all sunlit uplands isn't going to cut it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
I think it's much more 'PB lost-in-the-woods' people nowadays. That certainly describes me. I don't mind being lost and I will find my way back, but I can tell you here and now that if the shelter ahead has a Farage brand then I'm turning back to the woods.6 -
It has had some brilliant moments of comedy gold. There are hours of clips on youtube.Sandpit said:
RIP Sean Lock.MarqueeMark said:
The panel show did however give us Carrot in a Box and Carrot in a Box: the Rematch though.Taz said:
You also have the growth of daytime TV and the costs associated with making programmes for that. Although they may be cheap,to make, in general, they still take a chunk from the budget,MJW said:
The 90s was a golden era for British TV - especially for comedy but also lots of great drama. I think because lots of barriers were broken down in the 80s and so commissioning editors would pretty much allow talent to go off and do what it wanted.DougSeal said:
I think British TV was starting to decline in the 90s. Its high water mark was the 80s.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Reality TV and digitalisation arguably ended that in the 2000s. Once ratings begun to go into permanent decline and programmers had lots of data on hand they began producing the same old mush plus the odd prestige show.
TV comedy in particular has been killed by the panel show - as they're so cheap to make and inoffensive. No one's going to give a couple of people with a weird but possibly hilarious idea for a sitcom a load of money to make it when they can have several series of a panel show for the same cost.
Channel 4 was a real innovator on comedy many years ago. New comedy is rare now due to the rise in the panel show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGuPvrsG3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp04HZDCELw
That comedy Countdown show was one of the funniest things on TV for years. Originally it was a one-off for a Telethon charity thingy, and has run for over 100 shows.0 -
Have you considered the context of the original "sunlit uplands" speech? France's capitulation to Hitler created a situation which was arguably almost as serious as 14 years of Tory misrule. There's a serious straw manning going on here. Nobody says anyone should be promising only sunlit uplands, but leadership requires a belief and an assurance that that's the ultimate target even if it's a long way off. SKS does self advancement, not leadership.Anabobazina said:
restwistedfirestopper3 said:
7 weeks in, and years away from an election. The country is in a parlous state, needs some hard decisions taking and the public need to come to terms with them. Telling us it's all sunlit uplands isn't going to cut it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
The PB Tory strategy is the opposite - keep giving away free stuff and pretend everything is great. Bizarre, but there it is.0 -
Absolute classic. Utterly,brilliant.MarqueeMark said:
The panel show did however give us Carrot in a Box and Carrot in a Box: the Rematch though.Taz said:
You also have the growth of daytime TV and the costs associated with making programmes for that. Although they may be cheap,to make, in general, they still take a chunk from the budget,MJW said:
The 90s was a golden era for British TV - especially for comedy but also lots of great drama. I think because lots of barriers were broken down in the 80s and so commissioning editors would pretty much allow talent to go off and do what it wanted.DougSeal said:
I think British TV was starting to decline in the 90s. Its high water mark was the 80s.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Reality TV and digitalisation arguably ended that in the 2000s. Once ratings begun to go into permanent decline and programmers had lots of data on hand they began producing the same old mush plus the odd prestige show.
TV comedy in particular has been killed by the panel show - as they're so cheap to make and inoffensive. No one's going to give a couple of people with a weird but possibly hilarious idea for a sitcom a load of money to make it when they can have several series of a panel show for the same cost.
Channel 4 was a real innovator on comedy many years ago. New comedy is rare now due to the rise in the panel show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGuPvrsG3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp04HZDCELw0 -
Yes you can end up looking into some real glory rabbit holes.MarqueeMark said:
It has had some brilliant moments of comedy gold. There are hours of clips on youtube.Sandpit said:
RIP Sean Lock.MarqueeMark said:
The panel show did however give us Carrot in a Box and Carrot in a Box: the Rematch though.Taz said:
You also have the growth of daytime TV and the costs associated with making programmes for that. Although they may be cheap,to make, in general, they still take a chunk from the budget,MJW said:
The 90s was a golden era for British TV - especially for comedy but also lots of great drama. I think because lots of barriers were broken down in the 80s and so commissioning editors would pretty much allow talent to go off and do what it wanted.DougSeal said:
I think British TV was starting to decline in the 90s. Its high water mark was the 80s.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Reality TV and digitalisation arguably ended that in the 2000s. Once ratings begun to go into permanent decline and programmers had lots of data on hand they began producing the same old mush plus the odd prestige show.
TV comedy in particular has been killed by the panel show - as they're so cheap to make and inoffensive. No one's going to give a couple of people with a weird but possibly hilarious idea for a sitcom a load of money to make it when they can have several series of a panel show for the same cost.
Channel 4 was a real innovator on comedy many years ago. New comedy is rare now due to the rise in the panel show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGuPvrsG3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp04HZDCELw
That comedy Countdown show was one of the funniest things on TV for years. Originally it was a one-off for a Telethon charity thingy, and has run for over 100 shows.0 -
Did you rate the other candidates ? Do you reckon any of them would have done better ?Luckyguy1983 said:
Idiot MPs giving them Sunak and Truss - two less suited people to lead the country could hardly be found.MarqueeMark said:
No way the Tories deserved anything other than a shellacking after making Truss PM.DougSeal said:
You would have won, or at least been in with a shout of winning, the last election but for Truss. Sure, Johnson was lagging in the polls, but if he had passed the baton to nearly anyone else (or had the moral compass to make him fit to continue in office) the gap could have been closed. As it was you guys shat the bed 2/3 of the way through the Parliament, leaving you no time to recover.MarqueeMark said:
That strategy didn't exactly go well for the Tories, did it?DougSeal said:
If you're going to do unpopular things do them first. They've five years to manage expectations.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Mrs Thatch made her unpopular decisions first. She also had Galtieri inadvertently on her side of course…
Idiot MPs who put her to the members, idiot members for backing her over Rishi.0 -
You and me bothOmnium said:
Once upon a time the phrase 'PB Tory' meant something. There was undoubtedly a strong Tory bias here, and understandably so because that represented the most sensible view. I think that's long gone though. Despite high hopes nothing much that equates to sense ever came out of the Johnson government, and when Truss lurched into the picture in a way that'd give broken down evil witches of all directions nightmares, well then it was all over.Anabobazina said:
The PB Tory strategy is the opposite - keep giving away free stuff and pretend everything is great. Bizarre, but there it is.twistedfirestopper3 said:
7 weeks in, and years away from an election. The country is in a parlous state, needs some hard decisions taking and the public need to come to terms with them. Telling us it's all sunlit uplands isn't going to cut it.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
I think it's much more 'PB lost-in-the-woods' people nowadays. That certainly describes me. I don't mind being lost and I will find my way back, but I can tell you here and now that if the shelter ahead has a Farage brand then I'm turning back to the woods.3 -
@viewcode that sounds awful. My dentist cocked up a root canal and perforated my tooth and I got referred to UCL. I had to wait 6 months, which wasn't an issue as I wasn't in pain. I had a review there which was impressive and I am waiting to go back for treatment. I'd ask for a referral to specialist hospital who knows what they are doing. Significantly more impressive than my dentistdixiedean said:
Don't know what it's like at your ends, but have twice had occasion just to rock up at the Dental Hospital* and ask for an emergency appointment. They were great on both occasions. If they won't see you they could at least point you in the right direction.viewcode said:I had some bad news today. As you know earlier in the year I complained about tooth loss with two extracted in Q1 and a third planned for Q3/4. I planned to handle this by going abroad to get implants.
Unfortunately the situation has accelerated and it appears that two, not one, will need to be extracted in Q3/Q4 and ongoing gum disease and bone loss (yes, really) bring into question my suitability for implants
The minimum treatment now required is surgery and the use of bone cement/grafts to reinforce the vanishing bone. This is beyond the capacity of the average dentist and will require the services of a more advanced one, such as a periodontist or a dental reconstruction dentist.
My question to the PB brains trust is: what qualification or job title or membership should I look for? For example, the Dip Impl Dent RCSEd is a qualification, The British Society of Peridontology and Implant Dentistry is a society, a "periodontist" is a job title.
Would be grateful for pointer, folks
Kind regards,
@viewcode
* These were teaching hospitals, so in both cases the rare condition of my eldest was seen as an opportunity to teach.
* Expect a lot of people looking in your mouth.0 -
That is an incredibly brave attempt to polish a turd but, simply put…no.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well, this is shite really isn't it? The polls are quite clear. They went into the floor with Truss and the minibudget, they recovered a smidge when Sunak took over, and they then continued a steady downward trajectory that he owns completely. The fictional phenomenon you've just invented would show a completely different polling trajectory. Starmer’s polling will be the same - a brief (already over afaics) boost of relief that we now have a competent outfit in charge, followed by increasing disillusionment as they realise he plans to do nothing about the issues Britain faces expect make them worse.DougSeal said:
You would have won, or at least been in with a shout of winning, the last election but for Truss. Sure, Johnson was lagging in the polls, but if he had passed the baton to nearly anyone else (or had the moral compass to make him fit to continue in office) the gap could have been closed. As it was you guys shat the bed 2/3 of the way through the Parliament, leaving you no time to recover.MarqueeMark said:
That strategy didn't exactly go well for the Tories, did it?DougSeal said:
If you're going to do unpopular things do them first. They've five years to manage expectations.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Mrs Thatch made her unpopular decisions first. She also had Galtieri inadvertently on her side of course…
Truss dug an hole so deep for Sunak that Good Lord himself could not have got out of with a heavenly ladder. There was nothing Sunak, or anyone, could do after October ‘22 to fix the problem she created. Had Sunak started from the place Johnson ended, it would have been manageable for him, but the Tory reputation was trashed irredeemably by Truss’ economic stupidity and pig headedness. Your stout defence of her is admirable, but lonely, and frankly a little bizarre.6 -
There is a diminishing marginal return to unpopular decisions; if you're pissing off pensioners, might as well get the everything out the way in this budget.Foxy said:
There is a need to give a bit of hope. People tolerate a bit of blood, toil, sweat and tears if they expect sunny uplands.Stuartinromford said:
Interesting age profile in the change.rottenborough said:
Snatching the coals from the winter fires of the old folk has gone well then.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Very poor start from Reeves frankly.
Go on, guess.
That's right, the increased disapproval is dominated by the 65+ age range, where disapproval is leading 72-16. By the time you get down to the 25-49 bracket, the disapproval lead is only 41-26.
And given where boosterism got us under Boris, a cold shower of reality may be what we need.
(And for context, the overall YouGov approve/disapprove scores are roughly where they were during the vaccine bounce. The YouGov panel really are ungrateful so-and-sos.)
Full data set here:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/government-approval
Taking sweeties off the oldies was never going to be popular. Go the whole hog and scrap the triple lock for next year, the buggers aren't going to vote Labour anyway.
Tell them that it is the price of the Brexit that they voted for.
Sunlit uplands can happen in Spring '25. Or '26...0 -
Sunak would have done better had he received only Johnson’s poisoned chalice rather than Truss’ ocean of shite.Luckyguy1983 said:
Idiot MPs giving them Sunak and Truss - two less suited people to lead the country could hardly be found.MarqueeMark said:
No way the Tories deserved anything other than a shellacking after making Truss PM.DougSeal said:
You would have won, or at least been in with a shout of winning, the last election but for Truss. Sure, Johnson was lagging in the polls, but if he had passed the baton to nearly anyone else (or had the moral compass to make him fit to continue in office) the gap could have been closed. As it was you guys shat the bed 2/3 of the way through the Parliament, leaving you no time to recover.MarqueeMark said:
That strategy didn't exactly go well for the Tories, did it?DougSeal said:
If you're going to do unpopular things do them first. They've five years to manage expectations.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Mrs Thatch made her unpopular decisions first. She also had Galtieri inadvertently on her side of course…
Idiot MPs who put her to the members, idiot members for backing her over Rishi.0 -
And panel games are a relatively frugal form of comedy. As Bill Oddie said to Graeme Garden as I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again regenerated into ...I Haven't A Clue, "you idiot, you've done us out of the writers' fee."eek said:
New comedy is rare due to the expense of it relative to other formats and the inability for comedy to travel so the costs need to be fully covered within the UK market.Taz said:
You also have the growth of daytime TV and the costs associated with making programmes for that. Although they may be cheap,to make, in general, they still take a chunk from the budget,MJW said:
The 90s was a golden era for British TV - especially for comedy but also lots of great drama. I think because lots of barriers were broken down in the 80s and so commissioning editors would pretty much allow talent to go off and do what it wanted.DougSeal said:
I think British TV was starting to decline in the 90s. Its high water mark was the 80s.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Reality TV and digitalisation arguably ended that in the 2000s. Once ratings begun to go into permanent decline and programmers had lots of data on hand they began producing the same old mush plus the odd prestige show.
TV comedy in particular has been killed by the panel show - as they're so cheap to make and inoffensive. No one's going to give a couple of people with a weird but possibly hilarious idea for a sitcom a load of money to make it when they can have several series of a panel show for the same cost.
Channel 4 was a real innovator on comedy many years ago. New comedy is rare now due to the rise in the panel show.
It’s also the case that even panel shows are getting rarer as even the economics of that type of show doesn’t work nowadays2 -
"glory holes" was a special moment....Sandpit said:
Yes you can end up looking into some real glory rabbit holes.MarqueeMark said:
It has had some brilliant moments of comedy gold. There are hours of clips on youtube.Sandpit said:
RIP Sean Lock.MarqueeMark said:
The panel show did however give us Carrot in a Box and Carrot in a Box: the Rematch though.Taz said:
You also have the growth of daytime TV and the costs associated with making programmes for that. Although they may be cheap,to make, in general, they still take a chunk from the budget,MJW said:
The 90s was a golden era for British TV - especially for comedy but also lots of great drama. I think because lots of barriers were broken down in the 80s and so commissioning editors would pretty much allow talent to go off and do what it wanted.DougSeal said:
I think British TV was starting to decline in the 90s. Its high water mark was the 80s.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Reality TV and digitalisation arguably ended that in the 2000s. Once ratings begun to go into permanent decline and programmers had lots of data on hand they began producing the same old mush plus the odd prestige show.
TV comedy in particular has been killed by the panel show - as they're so cheap to make and inoffensive. No one's going to give a couple of people with a weird but possibly hilarious idea for a sitcom a load of money to make it when they can have several series of a panel show for the same cost.
Channel 4 was a real innovator on comedy many years ago. New comedy is rare now due to the rise in the panel show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGuPvrsG3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp04HZDCELw
That comedy Countdown show was one of the funniest things on TV for years. Originally it was a one-off for a Telethon charity thingy, and has run for over 100 shows.1 -
Or more importantly does any of the 6 numpties look like they could beat dismal Starmer?Taz said:
Did you rate the other candidates ? Do you reckon any of them would have done better ?Luckyguy1983 said:
Idiot MPs giving them Sunak and Truss - two less suited people to lead the country could hardly be found.MarqueeMark said:
No way the Tories deserved anything other than a shellacking after making Truss PM.DougSeal said:
You would have won, or at least been in with a shout of winning, the last election but for Truss. Sure, Johnson was lagging in the polls, but if he had passed the baton to nearly anyone else (or had the moral compass to make him fit to continue in office) the gap could have been closed. As it was you guys shat the bed 2/3 of the way through the Parliament, leaving you no time to recover.MarqueeMark said:
That strategy didn't exactly go well for the Tories, did it?DougSeal said:
If you're going to do unpopular things do them first. They've five years to manage expectations.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Mrs Thatch made her unpopular decisions first. She also had Galtieri inadvertently on her side of course…
Idiot MPs who put her to the members, idiot members for backing her over Rishi.0 -
The 'childless cat ladies' have produced numerous memes. JD Vance is known almost exclusively for that comment - and the couch, of course.DecrepiterJohnL said:JD Vance would have been my bet for 2028. Tbh I'm not sure the cat lady thing is that harmful. Fair-minded spectators know what he meant but FFS man, stop digging.
1 -
From what I gather Mock the Week employed 80 people every week for each episode - so TV panel shows are more expensive than you think, especially if you don't record them in bulk...Stuartinromford said:
And panel games are a relatively frugal form of comedy. As Bill Oddie said to Graeme Garden as I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again regenerated into ...I Haven't A Clue, "you idiot, you've done us out of the writers' fee."eek said:
New comedy is rare due to the expense of it relative to other formats and the inability for comedy to travel so the costs need to be fully covered within the UK market.Taz said:
You also have the growth of daytime TV and the costs associated with making programmes for that. Although they may be cheap,to make, in general, they still take a chunk from the budget,MJW said:
The 90s was a golden era for British TV - especially for comedy but also lots of great drama. I think because lots of barriers were broken down in the 80s and so commissioning editors would pretty much allow talent to go off and do what it wanted.DougSeal said:
I think British TV was starting to decline in the 90s. Its high water mark was the 80s.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Reality TV and digitalisation arguably ended that in the 2000s. Once ratings begun to go into permanent decline and programmers had lots of data on hand they began producing the same old mush plus the odd prestige show.
TV comedy in particular has been killed by the panel show - as they're so cheap to make and inoffensive. No one's going to give a couple of people with a weird but possibly hilarious idea for a sitcom a load of money to make it when they can have several series of a panel show for the same cost.
Channel 4 was a real innovator on comedy many years ago. New comedy is rare now due to the rise in the panel show.
It’s also the case that even panel shows are getting rarer as even the economics of that type of show doesn’t work nowadays0 -
No.Foxy said:
Or more importantly does any of the 6 numpties look like they could beat dismal Starmer?Taz said:
Did you rate the other candidates ? Do you reckon any of them would have done better ?Luckyguy1983 said:
Idiot MPs giving them Sunak and Truss - two less suited people to lead the country could hardly be found.MarqueeMark said:
No way the Tories deserved anything other than a shellacking after making Truss PM.DougSeal said:
You would have won, or at least been in with a shout of winning, the last election but for Truss. Sure, Johnson was lagging in the polls, but if he had passed the baton to nearly anyone else (or had the moral compass to make him fit to continue in office) the gap could have been closed. As it was you guys shat the bed 2/3 of the way through the Parliament, leaving you no time to recover.MarqueeMark said:
That strategy didn't exactly go well for the Tories, did it?DougSeal said:
If you're going to do unpopular things do them first. They've five years to manage expectations.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Mrs Thatch made her unpopular decisions first. She also had Galtieri inadvertently on her side of course…
Idiot MPs who put her to the members, idiot members for backing her over Rishi.
But they may surprise on the upside if elected leader.
Can’t see it. But you never know.0 -
It's hard to say - interest rates would have still had to rise to about the current levels but without the mad panic it may not have had the same impact on Tory voters...DougSeal said:
Sunak would have done better had he received only Johnson’s poisoned chalice rather than Truss’ ocean of shite.Luckyguy1983 said:
Idiot MPs giving them Sunak and Truss - two less suited people to lead the country could hardly be found.MarqueeMark said:
No way the Tories deserved anything other than a shellacking after making Truss PM.DougSeal said:
You would have won, or at least been in with a shout of winning, the last election but for Truss. Sure, Johnson was lagging in the polls, but if he had passed the baton to nearly anyone else (or had the moral compass to make him fit to continue in office) the gap could have been closed. As it was you guys shat the bed 2/3 of the way through the Parliament, leaving you no time to recover.MarqueeMark said:
That strategy didn't exactly go well for the Tories, did it?DougSeal said:
If you're going to do unpopular things do them first. They've five years to manage expectations.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Mrs Thatch made her unpopular decisions first. She also had Galtieri inadvertently on her side of course…
Idiot MPs who put her to the members, idiot members for backing her over Rishi.0 -
Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/0 -
I don't think you are actually disagreeing with the post you think you are disagreeing with. Truss was in a class of her own. Sunak was meh on a good day. SKS has had the time and the opportunity to prove that he is better than meh, and flunked it. The only things he is better than are Truss, and his chancellor.DougSeal said:
That is an incredibly brave attempt to polish a turd but, simply put…no.Luckyguy1983 said:
Well, this is shite really isn't it? The polls are quite clear. They went into the floor with Truss and the minibudget, they recovered a smidge when Sunak took over, and they then continued a steady downward trajectory that he owns completely. The fictional phenomenon you've just invented would show a completely different polling trajectory. Starmer’s polling will be the same - a brief (already over afaics) boost of relief that we now have a competent outfit in charge, followed by increasing disillusionment as they realise he plans to do nothing about the issues Britain faces expect make them worse.DougSeal said:
You would have won, or at least been in with a shout of winning, the last election but for Truss. Sure, Johnson was lagging in the polls, but if he had passed the baton to nearly anyone else (or had the moral compass to make him fit to continue in office) the gap could have been closed. As it was you guys shat the bed 2/3 of the way through the Parliament, leaving you no time to recover.MarqueeMark said:
That strategy didn't exactly go well for the Tories, did it?DougSeal said:
If you're going to do unpopular things do them first. They've five years to manage expectations.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=19
Mrs Thatch made her unpopular decisions first. She also had Galtieri inadvertently on her side of course…
Truss dug an hole so deep for Sunak that Good Lord himself could not have got out of with a heavenly ladder. There was nothing Sunak, or anyone, could do after October ‘22 to fix the problem she created. Had Sunak started from the place Johnson ended, it would have been manageable for him, but the Tory reputation was trashed irredeemably by Truss’ economic stupidity and pig headedness. Your stout defence of her is admirable, but lonely, and frankly a little bizarre.0 -
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The problem is largely the messaging. Everyone knows Labour have tough decisions to make, it’s time for them to talk about what their vision is. Managerial stuff isn’t very inspiring. A government that puts its people through more financial pain absolutely needs to be able to sell the “why” and the hope piece.
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But timing wise surely that comes in the budget, not before? We are so used to a government scoring own goals people seem to have forgotten the basics.numbertwelve said:The problem is largely the messaging. Everyone knows Labour have tough decisions to make, it’s time for them to talk about what their vision is. Managerial stuff isn’t very inspiring. A government that puts its people through more financial pain absolutely needs to be able to sell the “why” and the hope piece.
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The only time we ever saw Joe Wilkinson unintentially break character, despite the dozens of stupid and pointless stunts he did on that show.MarqueeMark said:
"glory holes" was a special moment....Sandpit said:
Yes you can end up looking into some real glory rabbit holes.MarqueeMark said:
It has had some brilliant moments of comedy gold. There are hours of clips on youtube.Sandpit said:
RIP Sean Lock.MarqueeMark said:
The panel show did however give us Carrot in a Box and Carrot in a Box: the Rematch though.Taz said:
You also have the growth of daytime TV and the costs associated with making programmes for that. Although they may be cheap,to make, in general, they still take a chunk from the budget,MJW said:
The 90s was a golden era for British TV - especially for comedy but also lots of great drama. I think because lots of barriers were broken down in the 80s and so commissioning editors would pretty much allow talent to go off and do what it wanted.DougSeal said:
I think British TV was starting to decline in the 90s. Its high water mark was the 80s.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Reality TV and digitalisation arguably ended that in the 2000s. Once ratings begun to go into permanent decline and programmers had lots of data on hand they began producing the same old mush plus the odd prestige show.
TV comedy in particular has been killed by the panel show - as they're so cheap to make and inoffensive. No one's going to give a couple of people with a weird but possibly hilarious idea for a sitcom a load of money to make it when they can have several series of a panel show for the same cost.
Channel 4 was a real innovator on comedy many years ago. New comedy is rare now due to the rise in the panel show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGuPvrsG3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp04HZDCELw
That comedy Countdown show was one of the funniest things on TV for years. Originally it was a one-off for a Telethon charity thingy, and has run for over 100 shows.0 -
As for Republican 2028 candidate, maybe DJT?logical_song said:
The 'childless cat ladies' have produced numerous memes. JD Vance is known almost exclusively for that comment - and the couch, of course.DecrepiterJohnL said:JD Vance would have been my bet for 2028. Tbh I'm not sure the cat lady thing is that harmful. Fair-minded spectators know what he meant but FFS man, stop digging.
Seriously, if Kamala wins the Republicans may switch away from MAGA and go for Haley?0 -
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Cold way to talk of pensioners.Anabobazina said:
Indeed. Scrape the barnacles off the boat.noneoftheabove said:
Chasing short term popularity in the first year after a landslide would be pretty dim.Big_G_NorthWales said:Starmer government approval ratings
Maybe less doom and gloom is needed from Starmer and labour
23% approval
51% disapproval
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810673398104174?t=5c9cU_0xQcF7OJ8N5ibY7w&s=19
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1828810675919229293?t=snufQEZ3jLPBdyrsibg4VA&s=190 -
Various Modest Proposals suggest themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
1. WFA is restored, but it must be claimed cashlessly at a touch screen terminal.
2. WFA is restored at €200 per pensioner household, so it can only be claimed post-Brejoin.1 -
Very wise move by Tesco. Part of a growing trend for cafes to get rid of cash: a pointless waste of time and materials. Makes great sense.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/0 -
What's WFA?Stuartinromford said:
Various Modest Proposals suggest themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
1. WFA is restored, but it must be claimed cashlessly at a touch screen terminal.
2. WFA is restored at €200 per pensioner household, so it can only be claimed post-Brejoin.0 -
Winter Fuel Allowance.Omnium said:
What's WFA?Stuartinromford said:
Various Modest Proposals suggest themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
1. WFA is restored, but it must be claimed cashlessly at a touch screen terminal.
2. WFA is restored at €200 per pensioner household, so it can only be claimed post-Brejoin.0 -
Ah yes I see - sorry somewhat out of context.TheScreamingEagles said:
Winter Fuel Allowance.Omnium said:
What's WFA?Stuartinromford said:
Various Modest Proposals suggest themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
1. WFA is restored, but it must be claimed cashlessly at a touch screen terminal.
2. WFA is restored at €200 per pensioner household, so it can only be claimed post-Brejoin.0 -
Also the relatively new drug treatments for bone loss ?Foxy said:
Probably best is to see either a Maxilo-Facial surgeon (these are both medically and dentally trained) or possibly a Restorative dentist.viewcode said:I had some bad news today. As you know earlier in the year I complained about tooth loss with two extracted in Q1 and a third planned for Q3/4. I planned to handle this by going abroad to get implants.
Unfortunately the situation has accelerated and it appears that two, not one, will need to be extracted in Q3/Q4 and ongoing gum disease and bone loss (yes, really) bring into question my suitability for implants
The minimum treatment now required is surgery and the use of bone cement/grafts to reinforce the vanishing bone. This is beyond the capacity of the average dentist and will require the services of a more advanced one, such as a periodontist or a dental reconstruction dentist.
My question to the PB brains trust is: what qualification or job title or membership should I look for? For example, the Dip Impl Dent RCSEd is a qualification, The British Society of Peridontology and Implant Dentistry is a society, a "periodontist" is a job title.
Would be grateful for pointer, folks
Kind regards,
@viewcode
Go for the first if you can, but it won't be cheap.
Incidentally probably a good idea to get investigated as to the cause of the accelerated bone loss, such as calcium and magnesium levels, as well as Vit D etc.
(Which might or might not be appropriate.)
https://theros.org.uk/information-and-support/osteoporosis/treatment/0 -
Yes, MTW and HIGNFY are a lot more expensive than your usual panel show, because you’re running a full-time crew and a decent share in a studio for weeks on end. Plus all of the lawyers.eek said:
From what I gather Mock the Week employed 80 people every week for each episode - so TV panel shows are more expensive than you think, especially if you don't record them in bulk...Stuartinromford said:
And panel games are a relatively frugal form of comedy. As Bill Oddie said to Graeme Garden as I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again regenerated into ...I Haven't A Clue, "you idiot, you've done us out of the writers' fee."eek said:
New comedy is rare due to the expense of it relative to other formats and the inability for comedy to travel so the costs need to be fully covered within the UK market.Taz said:
You also have the growth of daytime TV and the costs associated with making programmes for that. Although they may be cheap,to make, in general, they still take a chunk from the budget,MJW said:
The 90s was a golden era for British TV - especially for comedy but also lots of great drama. I think because lots of barriers were broken down in the 80s and so commissioning editors would pretty much allow talent to go off and do what it wanted.DougSeal said:
I think British TV was starting to decline in the 90s. Its high water mark was the 80s.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Reality TV and digitalisation arguably ended that in the 2000s. Once ratings begun to go into permanent decline and programmers had lots of data on hand they began producing the same old mush plus the odd prestige show.
TV comedy in particular has been killed by the panel show - as they're so cheap to make and inoffensive. No one's going to give a couple of people with a weird but possibly hilarious idea for a sitcom a load of money to make it when they can have several series of a panel show for the same cost.
Channel 4 was a real innovator on comedy many years ago. New comedy is rare now due to the rise in the panel show.
It’s also the case that even panel shows are getting rarer as even the economics of that type of show doesn’t work nowadays
Something like Countdown they film a week’s worth of shows in a day, and film one week a month for three or four months for a whole season. The comedy Countdown would actually be a lot more expensive than the regular Countdown, because you also have have writers and sketch performers that don’t appear in the ‘regular’ show, and probably can’t do the efficiency of studio time.0 -
Winter Fuel AllowanceOmnium said:
What's WFA?Stuartinromford said:
Various Modest Proposals suggest themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
1. WFA is restored, but it must be claimed cashlessly at a touch screen terminal.
2. WFA is restored at €200 per pensioner household, so it can only be claimed post-Brejoin.0 -
Yes. Alas everyone knows but meBig_G_NorthWales said:
Winter Fuel AllowanceOmnium said:
What's WFA?Stuartinromford said:
Various Modest Proposals suggest themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
1. WFA is restored, but it must be claimed cashlessly at a touch screen terminal.
2. WFA is restored at €200 per pensioner household, so it can only be claimed post-Brejoin.
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I wish places would ditch payments by phone. There is nothing worse than bring stuck in a queue behind someone who wants to pay using their phone but their battery has run out.Anabobazina said:
Very wise move by Tesco. Part of a growing trend for cafes to get rid of cash: a pointless waste of time and materials. Makes great sense.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
Cash is less of a problem but I think it is time we phased out coins less than 10 pence denomination, I can't see they serve any useful purpose. Correct me if I am wrong as I was quite young but I think when we stopped using farthings and then hapennies (1967?) they actually were worth more than 1 penny now.0 -
As ever, the move is more to the advantage of the retailer - who has to deal with all that cash - than the customer.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
I wish, for once, retailers (and banks!) were honest about this, instead of the 'quicker' excuse.1 -
That's been the case in Durham's Extra since at least February...TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/0 -
I'm not sure it is economics that killed panel shows so much as the idea they were somehow toxic and discriminated against female panellists.Stuartinromford said:
And panel games are a relatively frugal form of comedy. As Bill Oddie said to Graeme Garden as I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again regenerated into ...I Haven't A Clue, "you idiot, you've done us out of the writers' fee."eek said:
New comedy is rare due to the expense of it relative to other formats and the inability for comedy to travel so the costs need to be fully covered within the UK market.Taz said:
You also have the growth of daytime TV and the costs associated with making programmes for that. Although they may be cheap,to make, in general, they still take a chunk from the budget,MJW said:
The 90s was a golden era for British TV - especially for comedy but also lots of great drama. I think because lots of barriers were broken down in the 80s and so commissioning editors would pretty much allow talent to go off and do what it wanted.DougSeal said:
I think British TV was starting to decline in the 90s. Its high water mark was the 80s.Anabobazina said:
The telly hasn't got any better though. It's still 99% shite. Arguably 1990s telly was of a higher standard.BartholomewRoberts said:
Partially that's you showing your age though.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Is the mid-1990s the last "previous era"?DougSeal said:
Going to watch Pulp Fiction at the Phoenix in Oxford in Oct 94 and then going for Chinese food afterwards with a group of about 10 from college was my No.1 Gen X zeitgeist moment of the 90s.DavidL said:Talking of old films, I went to see Pulp Fiction at the cinema last night. At the risk of making many of you feel old it was the 30th anniversary of its release.
It stood up pretty well. The music was excellent and the conversational parts were still hilarious. Rather more casual racism than you would get these days. There was a bit where they were driving in a car and it was incredibly obvious that it was a movie out the back window and they were not actually driving but I suspect that was Tarentino's joke/homage to earlier films.
Well worth a watch if you can catch it.
DavidL's post got me thinking about how the passage of time is not linear. 1970s television series Happy Days looked back only 20 years but it was another world. 20 years before now, 2004, is merely a primitive version of now, with mobile but not quite smart phones, and the web just before Twitter and YouTube.
1994 had mobile phones but they were status items. Rich people with teenage children had home computers but they were by no means universal. PCs were, however, taking over offices. Britpop. Cool Britannia. Whatever happened to Oasis? Tbh in the course of writing this paragraph, I've changed my mind. 1994 was not qualitatively different from now.
My kids see things from the 90s or hear things described from the 90s and its utterly alien to them and sounds like the 50s would have to me.
The idea of only watching what's being broadcast, everyone watching the same thing or not watching anything at all; the idea of live TV broadcasts let alone the idea of being unable to pause/rewind live TV; the lack of streaming; the lack of YouTube and self-broadcasts.
When I watched TV in the 80s I'd watch cartoons made for then like He Man or Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (not allowed to use the word Ninja in the UK), as well as cartoons from my parents generation like Flintstones, Scooby Doo, Tom & Jerry etc.
When my kids watch "TV" now they go on Kids YouTube and watch streamers like Mariah Elizabeth or Aphmau.
The cultural change from then to now is leaps and bounds.
Reality TV and digitalisation arguably ended that in the 2000s. Once ratings begun to go into permanent decline and programmers had lots of data on hand they began producing the same old mush plus the odd prestige show.
TV comedy in particular has been killed by the panel show - as they're so cheap to make and inoffensive. No one's going to give a couple of people with a weird but possibly hilarious idea for a sitcom a load of money to make it when they can have several series of a panel show for the same cost.
Channel 4 was a real innovator on comedy many years ago. New comedy is rare now due to the rise in the panel show.
It’s also the case that even panel shows are getting rarer as even the economics of that type of show doesn’t work nowadays
The other big change is stand-up tours are so lucrative these days and promoted by (as TRiE noted) comedians posting not their jokes but their banter with the audience on YouTube and TikTok. There's no band or actors to split the ticket take with, the only expense is the hire of the theatre and a night in a cheap-ish hotel 1am (after the gig) to 10am then drive to the next venue.1 -
It could also be the Windsor Framework Agreement maybe ?Omnium said:
Yes. Alas everyone knows but meBig_G_NorthWales said:
Winter Fuel AllowanceOmnium said:
What's WFA?Stuartinromford said:
Various Modest Proposals suggest themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
1. WFA is restored, but it must be claimed cashlessly at a touch screen terminal.
2. WFA is restored at €200 per pensioner household, so it can only be claimed post-Brejoin.0 -
Thought the weirdo cat hater was already gone?0
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The worst of the rot took place long before the current management.ydoethur said:Let it go bust.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2lgl9kypno
A company as badly run as that with so many questions over where the money has gone should not be asking for hiked bills in a monopoly they have mismanaged to survive.
Not, at least, until they have explained how debts ballooned while they were paying dividends claiming large profits - and recovered that money....
And the current shareholders are the suckers who ended up holding the debt ridden organisation that Macquarie created in order to enrich themselves.
There’s really no good reason why the U.K. government/taxpayer should make them whole again, though. Not least as the cycle is likely to start all over again.0 -
No, I think it comes now - they have already made some decisions like the WFA.noneoftheabove said:
But timing wise surely that comes in the budget, not before? We are so used to a government scoring own goals people seem to have forgotten the basics.numbertwelve said:The problem is largely the messaging. Everyone knows Labour have tough decisions to make, it’s time for them to talk about what their vision is. Managerial stuff isn’t very inspiring. A government that puts its people through more financial pain absolutely needs to be able to sell the “why” and the hope piece.
All we are hearing is how awful everything is and how awful everything is going to be. I get the tactic behind that, but the government creates a rod for its own back if it can’t sell the decisions it is taking. People don’t care about the “national interest” or that it’s being done in “service” to the nation. They want to say if I pay more this year, what are you promising me. It doesn’t have to be specifics, but the direction of travel needs to be set. Once people fall out with a government, it becomes harder for them to make up later.
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Much better than people insisting on paying over the phone. That's very a very painful process, and I presume those who do it are sadists.gettingbetter said:
I wish places would ditch payments by phone. There is nothing worse than bring stuck in a queue behind someone who wants to pay using their phone but their battery has run out.Anabobazina said:
Very wise move by Tesco. Part of a growing trend for cafes to get rid of cash: a pointless waste of time and materials. Makes great sense.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
Cash is less of a problem but I think it is time we phased out coins less than 10 pence denomination, I can't see they serve any useful purpose. Correct me if I am wrong as I was quite young but I think when we stopped using farthings and then hapennies (1967?) they actually were worth more than 1 penny now.0 -
Disgraceful decision which will victimise the mostly pensioner customer base they have.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/0 -
Doesn't someone's other half drill (and replace) teeth for a living? I want to say Dura_Ace but am not 100 per cent sure.viewcode said:I had some bad news today. As you know earlier in the year I complained about tooth loss with two extracted in Q1 and a third planned for Q3/4. I planned to handle this by going abroad to get implants.
Unfortunately the situation has accelerated and it appears that two, not one, will need to be extracted in Q3/Q4 and ongoing gum disease and bone loss (yes, really) bring into question my suitability for implants
The minimum treatment now required is surgery and the use of bone cement/grafts to reinforce the vanishing bone. This is beyond the capacity of the average dentist and will require the services of a more advanced one, such as a periodontist or a dental reconstruction dentist.
My question to the PB brains trust is: what qualification or job title or membership should I look for? For example, the Dip Impl Dent RCSEd is a qualification, The British Society of Peridontology and Implant Dentistry is a society, a "periodontist" is a job title.
Would be grateful for pointer, folks
Kind regards,
@viewcode0 -
This is what a productivity gain looks like. In the long-run it improves life for everyone.JosiasJessop said:
As ever, the move is more to the advantage of the retailer - who has to deal with all that cash - than the customer.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
I wish, for once, retailers (and banks!) were honest about this, instead of the 'quicker' excuse.
My big Tesco has a slow till for people with disabilities and so. Often a long queue for it, but that gives people time to count their change.1 -
Ah, you're very kind BigG, but I think I've clearly failed to be up-to-date! As I get all my news from PB I have only myself to blame. The baked beans of nutrition.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It could also be the Windsor Framework Agreement maybe ?Omnium said:
Yes. Alas everyone knows but meBig_G_NorthWales said:
Winter Fuel AllowanceOmnium said:
What's WFA?Stuartinromford said:
Various Modest Proposals suggest themselves.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
1. WFA is restored, but it must be claimed cashlessly at a touch screen terminal.
2. WFA is restored at €200 per pensioner household, so it can only be claimed post-Brejoin.1 -
Russian artillery piece losses went through seventeen and a half thousand yesterday.3
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Yes, you’re right.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Doesn't someone's other half drill (and replace) teeth for a living? I want to say Dura_Ace but am not 100 per cent sure.viewcode said:I had some bad news today. As you know earlier in the year I complained about tooth loss with two extracted in Q1 and a third planned for Q3/4. I planned to handle this by going abroad to get implants.
Unfortunately the situation has accelerated and it appears that two, not one, will need to be extracted in Q3/Q4 and ongoing gum disease and bone loss (yes, really) bring into question my suitability for implants
The minimum treatment now required is surgery and the use of bone cement/grafts to reinforce the vanishing bone. This is beyond the capacity of the average dentist and will require the services of a more advanced one, such as a periodontist or a dental reconstruction dentist.
My question to the PB brains trust is: what qualification or job title or membership should I look for? For example, the Dip Impl Dent RCSEd is a qualification, The British Society of Peridontology and Implant Dentistry is a society, a "periodontist" is a job title.
Would be grateful for pointer, folks
Kind regards,
@viewcode1 -
Quicker too because it cuts out staff's walk to the till and search for change that doubled the time taken for traditional payment.JosiasJessop said:
As ever, the move is more to the advantage of the retailer - who has to deal with all that cash - than the customer.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
I wish, for once, retailers (and banks!) were honest about this, instead of the 'quicker' excuse.0 -
My Great-Grandfather worked for National Benzole during the Second World War and was, as a result, one of the few people allowed a petrol ration. During the late autumn 1940 his car was strafed on the road from Felixstowe to Ipswich by one of the small detachment of the Italian Air Force Mussolini sent over to carry out fighter sweeps - doubtless they thought he must have been some big military cheese in a staff car. No real harm done was but he ran off the road and had to put in an insurance claim for the damage. My grandmother delighted in recounting the answers he had to give.Foss said:
Q: “Who was the owner of the other vehicle involved” A: “The Government of Italy”. Q: “Approximately how fast was the other vehicle travelling” A: “Somewhere in the region of 200-300 miles per hour”6 -
I'm betting that point will not be soon
Don't know what they think they'll achieve with this. The Tories and Reform are both Boomer parties. And they're not making new Boomers anymore.
They will, at some point, have to acknowledge the existence of people born after 1965.
https://order-order.com/2024/08/27/tory-members-demand-reform-merger-to-win-next-election/
https://nitter.poast.org/K_Niemietz/status/1828512413131423843#m1 -
Luke Tryl
@LukeTryl
🧵Following Starmer's speech I think the Budget will be key to how early public opinion crystallises around this Government & landing it needs two things
First - showing those with broadest shoulders really are bearing burden
Second - to steal from Chicago - finding some joy0 -
This point has been made many, many times on PB...
Luke Tryl
@LukeTryl
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This is why I treat polling that shows people are willing to support higher taxes. In the abstract this is true, but dig deeper and what that really means is they are willing to support higher taxes on other people or and particularly businesses.
https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/18287538965605746492 -
What are we all in the long run?Eabhal said:
This is what a productivity gain looks like. In the long-run it improves life for everyone.JosiasJessop said:
As ever, the move is more to the advantage of the retailer - who has to deal with all that cash - than the customer.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
I wish, for once, retailers (and banks!) were honest about this, instead of the 'quicker' excuse.
My big Tesco has a slow till for people with disabilities and so. Often a long queue for it, but that gives people time to count their change.
Commentators here and elsewhere seem never to have had elderly parents or grandparents, and to expect never to be elderly themselves. I personally doubt whether a significant percentage of Tesco cup of tea ers are hard drug dealers cynically recycling their takings.0 -
Not really. Generally payment is made to a staff member standing behìnd a till. Not much in it whether they deal in cash or electronic payment. Making change takes just as long, on average, as faffing about with electronic payment.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Quicker too because it cuts out staff's walk to the till and search for change that doubled the time taken for traditional payment.JosiasJessop said:
As ever, the move is more to the advantage of the retailer - who has to deal with all that cash - than the customer.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
I wish, for once, retailers (and banks!) were honest about this, instead of the 'quicker' excuse.1 -
If so, then surely they will reverse the decision as it will provide to be a disaster?Taz said:
Disgraceful decision which will victimise the mostly pensioner customer base they have.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
If it does not and in fact they do just fine, then I cannot really get that worked up about it unless they are breaking some requirement to accept cash - if it is purely a business decision it's simply a question of whether it helps or hinders the business, not one of disgrace or lack thereof.
Personally I'd assume giving people more ways to pay then less would be better, with impact on wait times not that significant, but that's their choice.0 -
We heard similar about self-service tills. Something that advantaged the retailer more than many consumers.Eabhal said:
This is what a productivity gain looks like. In the long-run it improves life for everyone.JosiasJessop said:
As ever, the move is more to the advantage of the retailer - who has to deal with all that cash - than the customer.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
I wish, for once, retailers (and banks!) were honest about this, instead of the 'quicker' excuse.
My big Tesco has a slow till for people with disabilities and so. Often a long queue for it, but that gives people time to count their change.0 -
Stop patronising pensioners. They are perfectly capable of using cards/phones. And millions do, daily!Taz said:
Disgraceful decision which will victimise the mostly pensioner customer base they have.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/0 -
It is quicker though.JosiasJessop said:
As ever, the move is more to the advantage of the retailer - who has to deal with all that cash - than the customer.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
I wish, for once, retailers (and banks!) were honest about this, instead of the 'quicker' excuse.
And safer.
And less wasteful.
Cash is a pointless pain.0 -
I don't really get why it would be such an improvement to remove the option of cash, even if you prioritise other payment options, but I also don't get the outrage if it is up to the company, since if it is a bad idea for their customers that will provide itself in short order. And likewise if it is not in fact a bad idea.mercator said:
What are we all in the long run?Eabhal said:
This is what a productivity gain looks like. In the long-run it improves life for everyone.JosiasJessop said:
As ever, the move is more to the advantage of the retailer - who has to deal with all that cash - than the customer.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
I wish, for once, retailers (and banks!) were honest about this, instead of the 'quicker' excuse.
My big Tesco has a slow till for people with disabilities and so. Often a long queue for it, but that gives people time to count their change.
Commentators here and elsewhere seem never to have had elderly parents or grandparents, and to expect never to be elderly themselves. I personally doubt whether a significant percentage of Tesco cup of tea ers are hard drug dealers cynically recycling their takings.0 -
People have an odd view of what a pensioner is, I think normally based on what one was when the person doing the imagining was much younger.Taz said:
Disgraceful decision which will victimise the mostly pensioner customer base they have.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
Someone who is 80 now was born in 1944, was a youth in the swinging 60s, and retired well into this century when offices were packed with computers, mobile phone use was near universal etc.
This idea that there are many pensioners knocking about who are anachronistic figures from some long forgotten age, who can't get their head around chip'n'pin is fanciful.5 -
Yep. Handling cash and change is painfully slow. No wonder many businesses are getting rid of it.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Quicker too because it cuts out staff's walk to the till and search for change that doubled the time taken for traditional payment.JosiasJessop said:
As ever, the move is more to the advantage of the retailer - who has to deal with all that cash - than the customer.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
I wish, for once, retailers (and banks!) were honest about this, instead of the 'quicker' excuse.1 -
Fake news.Cookie said:
Not really. Generally payment is made to a staff member standing behìnd a till. Not much in it whether they deal in cash or electronic payment. Making change takes just as long, on average, as faffing about with electronic payment.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Quicker too because it cuts out staff's walk to the till and search for change that doubled the time taken for traditional payment.JosiasJessop said:
As ever, the move is more to the advantage of the retailer - who has to deal with all that cash - than the customer.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
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Loads of cafes, coffee shops and even pubs around me are cashless and have been for years. Ditto the entire London bus network.kle4 said:
If so, then surely they will reverse the decision as it will provide to be a disaster?Taz said:
Disgraceful decision which will victimise the mostly pensioner customer base they have.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
If it does not and in fact they do just fine, then I cannot really get that worked up about it unless they are breaking some requirement to accept cash - if it is purely a business decision it's simply a question of whether it helps or hinders the business, not one of disgrace or lack thereof.
Personally I'd assume giving people more ways to pay then less would be better, with impact on wait times not that significant, but that's their choice.2 -
There were a couple of phone ins on LBC like that the other day. People can pay more in tax and they should pay more in tax, but those people aren’t the dear caller, oh no, it’s some other nebulous group of people.rottenborough said:This point has been made many, many times on PB...
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This is why I treat polling that shows people are willing to support higher taxes. In the abstract this is true, but dig deeper and what that really means is they are willing to support higher taxes on other people or and particularly businesses.
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And the criminals have just decided that shoplifting is the way to go. The police need to really clamp down on this - all of us are paying for it in that the shops just add the cost to their prices.Anabobazina said:
Yep. Handling cash and change is painfully slow. No wonder many businesses are getting rid of it.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Quicker too because it cuts out staff's walk to the till and search for change that doubled the time taken for traditional payment.JosiasJessop said:
As ever, the move is more to the advantage of the retailer - who has to deal with all that cash - than the customer.TheScreamingEagles said:Has PB discussed this excellent decision by Tesco? I may even do a thread on it.
Tesco ditches cash payments at 40 cafes
Retailer says the move has improved the cafe experience by cutting waiting times
Tesco has ditched cash at 40 of its cafes with customers forced to pay by card at self-service machines.
The supermarket giant says the overhaul has boosted the customer experience and the changes have been well-received, but critics said it was “bonkers” and risked alienating elderly customers.
Martin Quinn, of Campaign for Cash, branded the change a “mad decision”.
He said: “Many of the customers will be elderly or retirees who want to order in person, not press a computer screen. This is a mad decision.”
So far, 40 cafes have been redesigned and more are thought to be in the pipeline.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tesco-ditches-cash-at-cafes/
I wish, for once, retailers (and banks!) were honest about this, instead of the 'quicker' excuse.1 -
Kamala has really, really got under Trump's paper thin skin.
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