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South Kintyre on Argyll and Bute (SNP defence)
Result: SNP 942 (62% +37%), Liberal Democrats 214 (14%, unchanged), Conservative 203 (13% -33%), Labour 156 (10%, no candidate last time)
SNP HOLD on the first count with a majority of 728 (48%) on a swing of 18.5% from Lib Dem to SNP
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It's great that you are posting these results. One small nerdy detail though: there is no such thing as a "majority" in Multi-Member STV; what the candidates' performance is measured against is the quota, not against the second placed candidate.0
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Cheers for this, My. Hayfield.0
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/snp-surge-in-latest-council-polls.1418383957
The Herald's highlighting Kintyre as a 35% swing from Tories to SNP - rather different from the post?0 -
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Looks like swing is calculated between first and second parties after the election. Both values are correct.Carnyx said:http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/snp-surge-in-latest-council-polls.1418383957
The Herald's highlighting Kintyre as a 35% swing from Tories to SNP - rather different from the post?0 -
Indeed so - there seems to be an ongoing disparity between real votes cast in the locals and the more fanciful Labour vote shares recorded by some of the polling companies. Frankly based on these figures and previous local results over the last two months (and with conceivably further swingback to come) I really cannot see a majority Labour government after May 2015.SeanT said:These are not great results for Labour.
Oh, and hello everyone, I've been in Australia. Nice place.
Aus is great but then again I have relatives in WA, Sydney, Adelaide, Melbourne and Tas!.
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LibDems doing ok in Aylesbury. Wasn't there a tip about this constituency a few weeks ago on PB?0
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Ah, thanks. Those multimember wards seem dodgy anyway when it comes to by election comparisons as has been said already in this thread. It seems to me that if e.g. the SNP got seats 1 and 2 and the Dog Lovers Party won seat no 3, and the canine enthusiast died, then there would be a by election , it would tend to change from DLP to SNP at the by election even if there was no other change in voting pattern. Or haveI got it wrong?RobD said:
Looks like swing is calculated between first and second parties after the election. Both values are correct.Carnyx said:http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/snp-surge-in-latest-council-polls.1418383957
The Herald's highlighting Kintyre as a 35% swing from Tories to SNP - rather different from the post?
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The price of oil is dropping like a stone as we speak.
Now down to $61.92. Was $70 a few days ago.
http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/0 -
Sleazy Shale oil sliding to oblivion.AndyJS said:The price of oil is dropping like a stone as we speak.
Now down to $61.92. Was $70 a few days ago.
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Looks like in Aylesbury vale the kipper vote knocked labour from first into third and let the Libdem in.
I know its a council seat but the opposition party challenging to win the election should not be going from first to third with only 17% of the vote in a seat they previously held.0 -
Did you get to the Whitsundays? Magical, although 25 years ago. Wife still talks about it!SeanT said:
Aus was fab.Norm said:
Indeed so - there seems to be an ongoing disparity between real votes cast in the locals and the more fanciful Labour vote shares recorded by some of the polling companies. Frankly based on these figures and previous local results over the last two months (and with conceivably further swingback to come) I really cannot see a majority Labour government after May 2015.SeanT said:These are not great results for Labour.
Oh, and hello everyone, I've been in Australia. Nice place.
Aus is great but then again I have relatives in WA, Sydney, Adelaide, Melbourne and Tas!.
First I did an epic food-and-wine road trip from Melbourne to Sydney, featuring - inter alia - a jaunt by light airplane to meet Australia's greatest winemakers in the Yarra valley. Then I had to go to the "world's best resort" - Qualia in the Whitsundays, followed by the resort trying to be even better than Qualia, the new One and Only on Hayman island (where Tony Blair famously met Rupert Murdoch).
They helicoptered me personally between the islands, like a rock star.
It was, as they say, a tough gig. A month of ridiculous luxury. I had a butler on Hayman Island (Liam from Leeds) who got seriously concerned whenever my silver bucket of free champagne ran low.
Hah.
Qualia:
http://www.qualia.com.au/
One and Only Hayman:
http://hayman.oneandonlyresorts.com/0 -
Iain Martin in the Telegraph - Can someone please tell Alex Salmond he's making a fool of himself?
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Don't read too much into the results.. it was raining heavilyPaul_Mid_Beds said:Looks like in Aylesbury vale the kipper vote knocked labour from first into third and let the Libdem in.
I know its a council seat but the opposition party challenging to win the election should not be going from first to third with only 17% of the vote in a seat they previously held.
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When you think about what swing is, it only really works at a conceptual level in a two party system, which is why it is really important that First Preference Vote Share is reported (sadly something that not all those covering STV elections in Scotland have cottoned on to yet).Carnyx said:
Ah, thanks. Those multimember wards seem dodgy anyway when it comes to by election comparisons as has been said already in this thread. It seems to me that if e.g. the SNP got seats 1 and 2 and the Dog Lovers Party won seat no 3, and the canine enthusiast died, then there would be a by election , it would tend to change from DLP to SNP at the by election even if there was no other change in voting pattern. Or haveI got it wrong?RobD said:
Looks like swing is calculated between first and second parties after the election. Both values are correct.Carnyx said:http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/snp-surge-in-latest-council-polls.1418383957
The Herald's highlighting Kintyre as a 35% swing from Tories to SNP - rather different from the post?
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Is it as simple as mothballing things and just turning the taps on again when the oil price rises with Shale? I know it is with gas, but surely Shale requires a good deal more long term investment. I know someone who works for Shell who said they got badly burned with unprofitable Shale fields.SeanT said:
Apparently the Saudis are trying to price American shale producers out of the market, by making conventional oil so cheap the shale business is uneconomical.surbiton said:
Sleazy Shale oil sliding to oblivion.AndyJS said:The price of oil is dropping like a stone as we speak.
Now down to $61.92. Was $70 a few days ago.
http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/
It is utterly ridiculous. If they *succeed* the price of oil will go back up, which means shale becomes economical again, and so the price of oil (and gas) will fall once more. Duh.
Saudi, Venezuela, Iran, and the rest just have to accept that we are facing a future of cheaper energy. Such a shame for them.
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Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.
If you look at the policies of Tory and Lab they are frankly not that different. Both are going to cut, they just differ on the extent to which taxes would rise and whether infrastructure investment counts as part of the deficit. Socially, there is barely a cigarette paper between them, both pretty authoritarian determined to frighten us out of our wits over terrorists and implement draconian laws despite the fact that we survived almost daily IRA bombings and shootings for thirty years without such laws, and both subscribe to what in the 1980s was described as the Loony Left social agenda.
Many of their supporters despise each other on tribal grounds. However that tribalism dosen't largely extend to the MPs, so if its a case of a Lab-Con coalition or a five party coalition with a majority of three, I wouldn't put them past it.
The main policy differences as I said earlier are between UKIP (E&W), SNP(Scot) and Liblabcon. This is reflected in the political debate which (even here) is much fiercer and more hostile between UKIP/SNP and Liblabcon than between Lib/con, Lab/Con and Lab/Lib.
In the 1980s that fierceness and hostility was between Labour and Tory, now they are both largely on the same side squabbling over the finetuning while the electorate look elsewhere. While this situation persists, UKIP won't go away unless an even more attractive party with similar policies emerges.0 -
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It is a UKIP target because they have won some council seats in the area. However, Aylesbury sits in Buckinghamshire which has had the same political party ruling (Conservative) for 125 years, longer than anywhere else in the world.rottenborough said:LibDems doing ok in Aylesbury. Wasn't there a tip about this constituency a few weeks ago on PB?
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Repeal the porn laws?SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?Paul_Mid_Beds said:Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.
If you look at the policies of Tory and Lab they are frankly not that different. Both are going to cut, they just differ on the extent to which taxes would rise and whether infrastructure investment counts as part of the deficit. Socially, there is barely a cigarette paper between them, both pretty authoritarian determined to frighten us out of our wits over terrorists and implement draconian laws despite the fact that we survived almost daily IRA bombings and shootings for thirty years without such laws, and both subscribe to what in the 1980s was described as the Loony Left social agenda.
Many of their supporters despise each other on tribal grounds. However that tribalism dosen't largely extend to the MPs, so if its a case of a Lab-Con coalition or a five party coalition with a majority of three, I wouldn't put them past it.
The main policy differences as I said earlier are between UKIP (E&W), SNP(Scot) and Liblabcon. This is reflected in the political debate which (even here) is much fiercer and more hostile between UKIP/SNP and Liblabcon than between Lib/con, Lab/Con and Lab/Lib.
In the 1980s that fierceness and hostility was between Labour and Tory, now they are both largely on the same side squabbling over the finetuning while the electorate look elsewhere. While this situation persists, UKIP won't go away unless an even more attractive party with similar policies emerges.
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.0 -
Agreed. And by women who have never been made to squirt by a man.SeanT said:
The echo of "the corn laws" is just too juicy and squirty to resist.isam said:
Repeal the porn law?SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?Paul_Mid_Beds said:Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.
If you look at the policies of Tory and Lab they are frankly not that different. Both are going to cut, they just differ on the extent to which taxes would rise and whether infrastructure investment counts as part of the deficit. Socially, there is barely a cigarette paper between them, both pretty authoritarian determined to frighten us out of our wits over terrorists and implement draconian laws despite the fact that we survived almost daily IRA bombings and shootings for thirty years without such laws, and both subscribe to what in the 1980s was described as the Loony Left social agenda.
Many of their supporters despise each other on tribal grounds. However that tribalism dosen't largely extend to the MPs, so if its a case of a Lab-Con coalition or a five party coalition with a majority of three, I wouldn't put them past it.
The main policy differences as I said earlier are between UKIP (E&W), SNP(Scot) and Liblabcon. This is reflected in the political debate which (even here) is much fiercer and more hostile between UKIP/SNP and Liblabcon than between Lib/con, Lab/Con and Lab/Lib.
In the 1980s that fierceness and hostility was between Labour and Tory, now they are both largely on the same side squabbling over the finetuning while the electorate look elsewhere. While this situation persists, UKIP won't go away unless an even more attractive party with similar policies emerges.
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
I suspect these laws were drafted by men who have never made a woman squirt. Clueless woofters.
As they haven't enjoyed it, then no one else should.
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Grand coalitions of the established parties are becoming more common across Europe, as they lose ground to insurgent parties. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it happened here.Paul_Mid_Beds said:Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.
If you look at the policies of Tory and Lab they are frankly not that different. Both are going to cut, they just differ on the extent to which taxes would rise and whether infrastructure investment counts as part of the deficit. Socially, there is barely a cigarette paper between them, both pretty authoritarian determined to frighten us out of our wits over terrorists and implement draconian laws despite the fact that we survived almost daily IRA bombings and shootings for thirty years without such laws, and both subscribe to what in the 1980s was described as the Loony Left social agenda.
Many of their supporters despise each other on tribal grounds. However that tribalism dosen't largely extend to the MPs, so if its a case of a Lab-Con coalition or a five party coalition with a majority of three, I wouldn't put them past it.
The main policy differences as I said earlier are between UKIP (E&W), SNP(Scot) and Liblabcon. This is reflected in the political debate which (even here) is much fiercer and more hostile between UKIP/SNP and Liblabcon than between Lib/con, Lab/Con and Lab/Lib.
In the 1980s that fierceness and hostility was between Labour and Tory, now they are both largely on the same side squabbling over the finetuning while the electorate look elsewhere. While this situation persists, UKIP won't go away unless an even more attractive party with similar policies emerges.
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Fair point about best being after the lagershed. I Will refrain from commenting further.SeanT said:
This is, erm, probably a chat for after the lagershed, but yes, totally agreed. And the actual situation might be even worse: it is possible that the laws were drafted by people who are so rubbish in bed they don't actually believe squirting exists, that it is some base invention by porn moguls, or whatever.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Agreed. And by women who have never been made to squirt by a man.SeanT said:
The echo of "the corn laws" is just too juicy and squirty to resist.isam said:
Repeal the porn law?SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?Paul_Mid_Beds said:Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.
emerges.
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
I suspect these laws were drafted by men who have never made a woman squirt. Clueless woofters.
As they haven't enjoyed it, then no one else should.
Risible, sexless dorks.
THIS IS BRITAIN, WE DON'T WANT INTENSE FEMALE ORGASMS, THANKYOU VERY MUCH.
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Female ejaculation is actually just urinating, apparently. So our wonderful numpty civil servants have managed to ban something that doesn't exist.
Well done, them.0 -
UKIP Today news channel needed at this rate and both totally rock-solid sources for these stories... cough
1m Louise Mensch ✔ @LouiseMensch
the Stuart Wheeler/Nigel Farage ferrets in the UKIP sack will be fun to watch. Hearing that Douglas Carswell is very uncomfortable with NF
5m Iain Dale @IainDale
Blogpost - EXCLUSIVE: Paul Sykes to Cease UKIP Party Funding. http://iaindale.com/posts/2014/12/12/exclusive-paul-sykes-to-cease-funding-ukip …
So this is why UKIP accepted Mr Reckless? Pity he's not going to cling on looking at the odds.
Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Curiously parties get money per seat and per 200 votes, meaning cash bonanza for Ukip after election as long as it gets at least two.
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Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"
Louise Mensch@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.
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Can someone please explain to me why anybody should care about what L Mensch has to say?Scrapheap_as_was said:Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"
Louise Mensch@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.
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I've had £10 at 50/1. I think the odds are far too long.Sean_F said:
Grand coalitions of the established parties are becoming more common across Europe, as they lose ground to insurgent parties. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it happened here.Paul_Mid_Beds said:Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.
If you look at the policies of Tory and Lab they are frankly not that different. Both are going to cut, they just differ on the extent to which taxes would rise and whether infrastructure investment counts as part of the deficit. Socially, there is barely a cigarette paper between them, both pretty authoritarian determined to frighten us out of our wits over terrorists and implement draconian laws despite the fact that we survived almost daily IRA bombings and shootings for thirty years without such laws, and both subscribe to what in the 1980s was described as the Loony Left social agenda.
Many of their supporters despise each other on tribal grounds. However that tribalism dosen't largely extend to the MPs, so if its a case of a Lab-Con coalition or a five party coalition with a majority of three, I wouldn't put them past it.
The main policy differences as I said earlier are between UKIP (E&W), SNP(Scot) and Liblabcon. This is reflected in the political debate which (even here) is much fiercer and more hostile between UKIP/SNP and Liblabcon than between Lib/con, Lab/Con and Lab/Lib.
In the 1980s that fierceness and hostility was between Labour and Tory, now they are both largely on the same side squabbling over the finetuning while the electorate look elsewhere. While this situation persists, UKIP won't go away unless an even more attractive party with similar policies emerges.
I can easily see the two main parties hugging each other more closely as they become more scared of the insurgents. There's more they share in common than meets the eye.0 -
fair comment!!!!saddened said:
Can someone please explain to me why anybody should care about what L Mensch has to say?Scrapheap_as_was said:Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"
Louise Mensch@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.
Great stuff....
Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·2 mins2 minutes ago
Farage says not worried at prospect of Stuart Wheeler ending Ukip donations over Neil Hamilton as it's "quite some time" since gave money
Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·4 mins4 minutes ago
Farage hopes Hamilton will stay in Ukip, clear up expense dispute & carry on travelling round "cheering people up".0 -
Blimey you are borderline obsessed! The Paul Sykes story is very old newsScrapheap_as_was said:UKIP Today news channel needed at this rate and both totally rock-solid sources for these stories... cough
1m Louise Mensch ✔ @LouiseMensch
the Stuart Wheeler/Nigel Farage ferrets in the UKIP sack will be fun to watch. Hearing that Douglas Carswell is very uncomfortable with NF
5m Iain Dale @IainDale
Blogpost - EXCLUSIVE: Paul Sykes to Cease UKIP Party Funding. http://iaindale.com/posts/2014/12/12/exclusive-paul-sykes-to-cease-funding-ukip …
So this is why UKIP accepted Mr Reckless? Pity he's not going to cling on looking at the odds.
Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Curiously parties get money per seat and per 200 votes, meaning cash bonanza for Ukip after election as long as it gets at least two.0 -
isam said:
Blimey you are borderline obsessed! The Paul Sykes story is very old newsScrapheap_as_was said:UKIP Today news channel needed at this rate and both totally rock-solid sources for these stories... cough
1m Louise Mensch ✔ @LouiseMensch
the Stuart Wheeler/Nigel Farage ferrets in the UKIP sack will be fun to watch. Hearing that Douglas Carswell is very uncomfortable with NF
5m Iain Dale @IainDale
Blogpost - EXCLUSIVE: Paul Sykes to Cease UKIP Party Funding. http://iaindale.com/posts/2014/12/12/exclusive-paul-sykes-to-cease-funding-ukip …
So this is why UKIP accepted Mr Reckless? Pity he's not going to cling on looking at the odds.
Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Curiously parties get money per seat and per 200 votes, meaning cash bonanza for Ukip after election as long as it gets at least two.
Snigger.... thanks Isam.... that's top notch irony.... off to try and mend my sides.0 -
Search me. She crashed and burned as a politician. I would consider it vanishingly unlikely that either Douglas Carswell or Mark Reckless would want Neil Hamilton to be a UKIP candidate.saddened said:
Can someone please explain to me why anybody should care about what L Mensch has to say?Scrapheap_as_was said:Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"
Louise Mensch@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.
Great stuff....0 -
SeanF Indeed, the Greens are squeezing Labour from the left, UKIP the Tories from the right
You do more exercise on the right or left than if a centrist
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2871291/Being-extremist-BETTER-health-holding-moderate-views-People-stronger-political-opinions-exercise.html0 -
How do you mean, I am obsessed? Is that what you are saying?Scrapheap_as_was said:isam said:
Blimey you are borderline obsessed! The Paul Sykes story is very old newsScrapheap_as_was said:UKIP Today news channel needed at this rate and both totally rock-solid sources for these stories... cough
1m Louise Mensch ✔ @LouiseMensch
the Stuart Wheeler/Nigel Farage ferrets in the UKIP sack will be fun to watch. Hearing that Douglas Carswell is very uncomfortable with NF
5m Iain Dale @IainDale
Blogpost - EXCLUSIVE: Paul Sykes to Cease UKIP Party Funding. http://iaindale.com/posts/2014/12/12/exclusive-paul-sykes-to-cease-funding-ukip …
So this is why UKIP accepted Mr Reckless? Pity he's not going to cling on looking at the odds.
Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Curiously parties get money per seat and per 200 votes, meaning cash bonanza for Ukip after election as long as it gets at least two.
Snigger.... thanks Isam.... that's top notch irony.... off to try and mend my sides.
With what?0 -
O/T:
I'm hoping The Ice Twins by S. K. Tremayne is as good as everyone is saying it is.0 -
Not everyone has got the 'Hate Russia' memo apparently:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/11/us-india-russia-highlights-idUSKBN0JP1A720141211
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Titters:
It turns out the man who harangued Bland on QT last night was not just an ordinary Joe. In fact, he's the brother of a UKIP MEP ...
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The Conservatives dislike her because she abandonned her consituencysaddened said:
Can someone please explain to me why anybody should care about what L Mensch has to say?Scrapheap_as_was said:Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"
Louise Mensch@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.
Great stuff....
The rest of the population dislike her because she is a self publicist.0 -
Former tory MP who apparently still supports tories publishes unsubstantiated gossip about rival party whos taken a chunk of their votes.Scrapheap_as_was said:Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"
Louise Mensch@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.
Great stuff....
Desperate stuff.....
And look whos she's just retweeted:
Louise Mensch Retweeted 1 min ago:
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB @LouiseMensch I'm hearing that several leading kippers won't be too unhappy if the party fails to win Thanet South
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This has to be the perfect definition of an entitled, spoilt brat attitude:
"Korean Air chairman apologises for daughter’s ‘nut rage’
Cho Hyun-ah delayed flight departure after losing temper with flight attendant who offered snack in bag instead of on plate"
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/12/korean-air-chairman-apologises-daughter-delayed-flight-macadamia-nut-rage0 -
Like a load of Spurs supporters who cant stop talking about the ArsenalPaul_Mid_Beds said:
Former tory MP who apparently still supports tories publishes unsubstantiated gossip about rival party whos taken a chunk of their votes.Scrapheap_as_was said:Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"
Louise Mensch@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.
Great stuff....
Desperate stuff.....
And look whos she's just retweeted:
Louise Mensch Retweeted 1 min ago:
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB @LouiseMensch I'm hearing that several leading kippers won't be too unhappy if the party fails to win Thanet South0 -
Why is the face-sitting protest getting so much media coverage?
Innocent face.0 -
The best thing for UKIP would be for Neil Hamilton to stand in his old constituency of Tatton. That would keep him quiet for a bit vs George Osborne.0
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Good day for me. Actually, went into the House of Commons and the Lords'. I have been there before but only saw from the galleries. Also, the division rooms and, of course, Westminster Hall, Central Lobby etc.
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I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.
Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.
I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"
I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.
Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"
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In the immortal words of tim: me me mensch !!!David_Evershed said:
The Conservatives dislike her because she abandonned her consituencysaddened said:
Can someone please explain to me why anybody should care about what L Mensch has to say?Scrapheap_as_was said:Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"
Louise Mensch@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.
Great stuff....
The rest of the population dislike her because she is a self publicist.0 -
So does holocaust denial, but we don't allow that airtime.SeanT said:One can dislike her but it is silly to deny she has a gift for generating contention and debate.
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When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?Paul_Mid_Beds said:
I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.
Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.
I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"
I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.
Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"0 -
But ARE they being banned from being 'shown' online here? My understanding is it's just our hard (ahem) working smut merchants that are being targeted, whereas the massive industry in the US carries on unencumbered. It's much like insisting British farmers have certain animal husbandry standards but freely accepting imports of food that doesn't conform to the same standards. I've never got that either. I'm open to argument on it though.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.
Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.
I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"
I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.
Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"0 -
the bondage laws are all tied up in knotsLuckyguy1983 said:
But ARE they being banned from being 'shown' online here? My understanding is it's just our hard (ahem) working smut merchants that are being targeted, whereas the massive industry in the US carries on unencumbered. It's much like insisting British farmers have certain animal husbandry standards but freely accepting imports of food that doesn't conform to the same standards. I've never got that either. I'm open to argument on it though.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.
Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.
I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"
I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.
Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"
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I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.surbiton said:
When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?Paul_Mid_Beds said:
I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.
Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.
I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"
I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.
Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"
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A huge reservoir of talent will go waste !Sean_F said:
I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.surbiton said:
When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?Paul_Mid_Beds said:
I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.
Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.
I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"
I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.
Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"0 -
Have emailed you SeanSean_F said:
I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.surbiton said:
When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?Paul_Mid_Beds said:
I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.
Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.
I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"
I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.
Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"0 -
UKIP won both the equivalent CC seats ( Southcourt being won by yesterday's UKIP candidate ) in 2013( when Aylesbury was one of the 10 constituencies UKIP " won " in the CC elections ) . They have therefore dropped from first to second and the 10 would now only be 9 .Paul_Mid_Beds said:Looks like in Aylesbury vale the kipper vote knocked labour from first into third and let the Libdem in.
I know its a council seat but the opposition party challenging to win the election should not be going from first to third with only 17% of the vote in a seat they previously held.0 -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7364475.stmLuckyguy1983 said:
But ARE they being banned from being 'shown' online here? My understanding is it's just our hard (ahem) working smut merchants that are being targeted, whereas the massive industry in the US carries on unencumbered. It's much like insisting British farmers have certain animal husbandry standards but freely accepting imports of food that doesn't conform to the same standards. I've never got that either. I'm open to argument on it though.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.
Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.
I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"
I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.
Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"
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I would love a grand coalition. Can you imagine the meltdown on Comment is Free.Sean_F said:
Grand coalitions of the established parties are becoming more common across Europe, as they lose ground to insurgent parties. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it happened here.Paul_Mid_Beds said:Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.
If you look at the policies of Tory and Lab they are frankly not that different. Both are going to cut, they just differ on the extent to which taxes would rise and whether infrastructure investment counts as part of the deficit. Socially, there is barely a cigarette paper between them, both pretty authoritarian determined to frighten us out of our wits over terrorists and implement draconian laws despite the fact that we survived almost daily IRA bombings and shootings for thirty years without such laws, and both subscribe to what in the 1980s was described as the Loony Left social agenda.
Many of their supporters despise each other on tribal grounds. However that tribalism dosen't largely extend to the MPs, so if its a case of a Lab-Con coalition or a five party coalition with a majority of three, I wouldn't put them past it.
The main policy differences as I said earlier are between UKIP (E&W), SNP(Scot) and Liblabcon. This is reflected in the political debate which (even here) is much fiercer and more hostile between UKIP/SNP and Liblabcon than between Lib/con, Lab/Con and Lab/Lib.
In the 1980s that fierceness and hostility was between Labour and Tory, now they are both largely on the same side squabbling over the finetuning while the electorate look elsewhere. While this situation persists, UKIP won't go away unless an even more attractive party with similar policies emerges.
I think the Conservatives could just about survive one, although most likely with some further shedding of the right wing. On the other hand it would kill the Labour party. Many Labour peeps hate the Tories much more than they love Labour and they would see mass shedding of members to the Greens or perhaps some sort of socialist offshoot. UKIP would be rubbing their hands with glee.
Realistically the only possible coalitions I can see are:
Con+LD
Lab+LD
Con+DUP
Con+DUP+UKIP
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JosiasJessop said:
Titters:
It turns out the man who harangued Bland on QT last night was not just an ordinary Joe. In fact, he's the brother of a UKIP MEP ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-30448645
biblehub.com/genesis/4-9.htm
Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” He said, “I do not know; am I my brother's keeper?”0 -
The new law extended to paidfor online serices the same rules that apparently already applied to sex shops. Now I've never been to such a place, but I doubt they follow the law in that respect.isam said:
Have emailed you SeanSean_F said:
I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.surbiton said:
When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?Paul_Mid_Beds said:
I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.
Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.
I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"
I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.
Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"
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No it is certainly not Urination as an analysis has found they are in fact secretions from the Skeane's GlandsAndyJS said:Female ejaculation is actually just urinating, apparently. So our wonderful numpty civil servants have managed to ban something that doesn't exist.
Well done, them.0 -
Nice to see mikeK and seanT back ;-)0
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News is managed by the military. Distraction is a key objective of news to stop you focusing on anything serious.David_Evershed said:Why is the face-sitting protest getting so much media coverage?
Innocent face.
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It's not my cup of tea, but if consenting adults wish to engage in or watch such activities it's up to them.Grandiose said:
The new law extended to paidfor online serices the same rules that apparently already applied to sex shops. Now I've never been to such a place, but I doubt they follow the law in that respect.isam said:
Have emailed you SeanSean_F said:
I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.surbiton said:
When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?Paul_Mid_Beds said:
I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.
Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.
I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"
I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.
Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"
A mass squirt outside parliament would give our lawmakers pause for thought.0 -
Military? Youve fallen for the lie.Tapper said:
News is managed by the military. Distraction is a key objective of news to stop you focusing on anything serious.David_Evershed said:Why is the face-sitting protest getting so much media coverage?
Innocent face.
Shape shifting lizard aliens are in charge.
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What's your explanation, Watcher?.............you're on the payroll too no doubt!0
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I've replied.isam said:
Have emailed you SeanSean_F said:
I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.surbiton said:
When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?Paul_Mid_Beds said:
I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.
Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.
I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"
I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.
Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"
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The answer is that you will need to demonstrate in court that they are not illegal if caught with such images.Luckyguy1983 said:<
But ARE they being banned from being 'shown' online here? My understanding is it's just our hard (ahem) working smut merchants that are being targeted, whereas the massive industry in the US carries on unencumbered. It's much like insisting British farmers have certain animal husbandry standards but freely accepting imports of food that doesn't conform to the same standards. I've never got that either. I'm open to argument on it though.
Unlike the Obscene Publications Act which criminalises publication of obscene images, S63 criminalises possession of such (even if unsolicited)
http://sexandcensorship.org/2014/08/criminalised-receiving-extreme-porn-via-whatsapp/
Note that they were done after being stopped by the police on other matters and subject to a routine search of their mobile phones.
Not hard to see how Constable Savage and Spook Savage will make good use of this, (of course even if not convicted (or even charged) you will likely be banned from the family home by social workers as a risk to your children for months while they investigate). Meanwhile you will be denounced as a Pedo by illiterate mobs and have your life made a misery and probably lose your job and be ruined.0 -
o/t but interesting comment on Gary Gibbon's C4 blog of the 9th:
Greg McCarra 09-Dec-14 at Hi Philip The membership of the SNP Trade Union Group exceeded 13,000 several days ago. We are now larger than the ‘Scottish’ Labour Party’s official membership total, and probably more than twice the actual total. Cllr Greg McCarra Executive Member, SNP TUG - See more at: http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/scottish-labour-leadership-contest-general-election/29853#more-29853
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Clearly we decided a long time ago the physical laws weren't worth enforcing. We should drop both. It is a strange, arbitrary list - even if we thought certain types of porn were particularly degrading or offenieve and should banned, the list is wrong. Won't affect consumers much, difficult to justify it that way.TheWatcher said:
It's not my cup of tea, but if consenting adults wish to engage in or watch such activities it's up to them.Grandiose said:
The new law extended to paidfor online serices the same rules that apparently already applied to sex shops. Now I've never been to such a place, but I doubt they follow the law in that respect.isam said:
Have emailed you SeanSean_F said:
I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.surbiton said:
When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?Paul_Mid_Beds said:
I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.SeanT said:
Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?
They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.
Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.
Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.
I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"
I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.
Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"
A mass squirt outside parliament would give our lawmakers pause for thought.0 -
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Which is more embarrassing, demonstrating you know what you are talking about in this topic or that you are idiot clueless?MarkSenior said:
No it is certainly not Urination as an analysis has found they are in fact secretions from the Skeane's GlandsAndyJS said:Female ejaculation is actually just urinating, apparently. So our wonderful numpty civil servants have managed to ban something that doesn't exist.
Well done, them.
Me, I don't know how to lay a bet.0 -
(Actually Andy, the detail is they are theoretically fine with squirting but think films are using that description as a work around when what is actually being shown is urination).AndyJS said:Female ejaculation is actually just urinating, apparently. So our wonderful numpty civil servants have managed to ban something that doesn't exist.
Well done, them.0 -
Better than a squashed face.David_Evershed said:Why is the face-sitting protest getting so much media coverage?
Innocent face.
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Distraction technique number two. Clearly a professional.0
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You're here now. You're distracted.Tapper said:Distraction technique number two. Clearly a professional.
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Hi SeanT, I thought you were lost in the great Australian Outback. Back just in time to see all those Cracking firms go belly-up in the States, as the Dow loses 315 points.SeanT said:Fascinating and grisly analysis of America's economy. Long term unemployment has tripled. Median wages are static over decades.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/upshot/unemployment-the-vanishing-male-worker-how-america-fell-behind.html?abt=0002&abg=1&_r=0
This is the future for ALL of the West (unless we are saved by cheap energy), until Asia catches up. We are in a new groove and it is not pretty.
Cheap oil, while a benefit, could see an even greater pressure on wages. That won't please the governments of Europe as the revolt on the Right swells.0 -
If Carswell cannot stand Farage why did he leave the Tories? Farage cannot have come as that big a surprise can he?Scrapheap_as_was said:UKIP Today news channel needed at this rate and both totally rock-solid sources for these stories... cough
1m Louise Mensch ✔ @LouiseMensch
the Stuart Wheeler/Nigel Farage ferrets in the UKIP sack will be fun to watch. Hearing that Douglas Carswell is very uncomfortable with NF
5m Iain Dale @IainDale
Blogpost - EXCLUSIVE: Paul Sykes to Cease UKIP Party Funding. http://iaindale.com/posts/2014/12/12/exclusive-paul-sykes-to-cease-funding-ukip …
So this is why UKIP accepted Mr Reckless? Pity he's not going to cling on looking at the odds.
Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Curiously parties get money per seat and per 200 votes, meaning cash bonanza for Ukip after election as long as it gets at least two.0 -
Speak for yourself! I am a fan of Louise Mensch, and she certainly brightened up the Tory backbenches while she an MP. And I think that she made the right choice putting the long term health of her family life before politics. And as for being a self publicist, you do realise that she was an author before she entered politics?David_Evershed said:
The Conservatives dislike her because she abandonned her consituencysaddened said:
Can someone please explain to me why anybody should care about what L Mensch has to say?Scrapheap_as_was said:Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"
Louise Mensch@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.
Great stuff....
The rest of the population dislike her because she is a self publicist.0 -
The UKIP target is the muslim population.David_Evershed said:
It is a UKIP target because they have won some council seats in the area. However, Aylesbury sits in Buckinghamshire which has had the same political party ruling (Conservative) for 125 years, longer than anywhere else in the world.rottenborough said:LibDems doing ok in Aylesbury. Wasn't there a tip about this constituency a few weeks ago on PB?
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Carswell's chances of leading a party are greater with UKIP?Flightpath said:
If Carswell cannot stand Farage why did he leave the Tories? Farage cannot have come as that big a surprise can he?Scrapheap_as_was said:UKIP Today news channel needed at this rate and both totally rock-solid sources for these stories... cough
1m Louise Mensch ✔ @LouiseMensch
the Stuart Wheeler/Nigel Farage ferrets in the UKIP sack will be fun to watch. Hearing that Douglas Carswell is very uncomfortable with NF
5m Iain Dale @IainDale
Blogpost - EXCLUSIVE: Paul Sykes to Cease UKIP Party Funding. http://iaindale.com/posts/2014/12/12/exclusive-paul-sykes-to-cease-funding-ukip …
So this is why UKIP accepted Mr Reckless? Pity he's not going to cling on looking at the odds.
Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Curiously parties get money per seat and per 200 votes, meaning cash bonanza for Ukip after election as long as it gets at least two.0 -
Do you mean he was his brothers kipper?David_Evershed said:JosiasJessop said:Titters:
It turns out the man who harangued Bland on QT last night was not just an ordinary Joe. In fact, he's the brother of a UKIP MEP ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-30448645
biblehub.com/genesis/4-9.htm
Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” He said, “I do not know; am I my brother's keeper?”0 -
@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph
@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU0 -
Telegraph has a story about David Miliband possible return to politics...
I can't see any problems with that, I mean that report on the CIA didn't have anything bad in it.0 -
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So what! Is this story supposed to kill UKIP stone dead? Another epic fail by the MSM.Scott_P said:@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph
@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU
If there had been more British politicians of Enoch Powell's calibre, Britain would have been a much more pleasant place to live, than now is the case.0 -
Sounds like another attempt to persuade people who never going to vote UKIP not to vote UKIP.Scott_P said:@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph
@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU0 -
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Time for the popcorn, it was all so inevitable....
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Christine Hamilton @brit_battleaxe 9m9 minutes ago
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Is he going Kipper?FrancisUrquhart said:Telegraph has a story about David Miliband possible return to politics...
I can't see any problems with that, I mean that report on the CIA didn't have anything bad in it.0 -
That Enoch Powell bloke, wasn't he a Conservative?Scott_P said:@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph
@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU0 -
How many foreign medical personnel have been involved in your treatment?MikeK said:
So what! Is this story supposed to kill UKIP stone dead? Another epic fail by the MSM.Scott_P said:@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph
@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU
If there had been more British politicians of Enoch Powell's calibre, Britain would have been a much more pleasant place to live, than now is the case.0 -
Best wishes Mike, don't let the 'Get UKIP' campaign bother you, it seems the worse it gets the better we do!MikeK said:@JosiasJessop
Thanks for the thought. Hope all goes well with you, too.0 -
The story's supposed to generate clicks and sell papers.MikeK said:
So what! Is this story supposed to kill UKIP stone dead? Another epic fail by the MSM.Scott_P said:@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph
@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU
If there had been more British politicians of Enoch Powell's calibre, Britain would have been a much more pleasant place to live, than now is the case.0 -
Who first introduced mass use of immigrant Doctors and Nurses to the NHS? Do you know?TheWatcher said:
How many foreign medical personnel have been involved in your treatment?MikeK said:
So what! Is this story supposed to kill UKIP stone dead? Another epic fail by the MSM.Scott_P said:@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph
@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU
If there had been more British politicians of Enoch Powell's calibre, Britain would have been a much more pleasant place to live, than now is the case.0 -
And give UKIP more free publicity?corporeal said:
The story's supposed to generate clicks and sell papers.MikeK said:
So what! Is this story supposed to kill UKIP stone dead? Another epic fail by the MSM.Scott_P said:@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph
@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU
If there had been more British politicians of Enoch Powell's calibre, Britain would have been a much more pleasant place to live, than now is the case.
Wonder what they will come up with next. Nigel Farage ate my hamster?0
