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South Kintyre on Argyll and Bute (SNP defence)
Result: SNP 942 (62% +37%), Liberal Democrats 214 (14%, unchanged), Conservative 203 (13% -33%), Labour 156 (10%, no candidate last time)
SNP HOLD on the first count with a majority of 728 (48%) on a swing of 18.5% from Lib Dem to SNP

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cripipper

It's great that you are posting these results. One small nerdy detail though: there is no such thing as a "majority" in Multi-Member STV; what the candidates' performance is measured against is the quota, not against the second placed candidate.

Cyclefree

SeanT said:

These are not great results for Labour.

Oh, and hello everyone, I've been in Australia. Nice place.

Hello back.

Morris_Dancer

Cheers for this, My. Hayfield.

Carnyx

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/snp-surge-in-latest-council-polls.1418383957

The Herald's highlighting Kintyre as a 35% swing from Tories to SNP - rather different from the post?

TCPoliticalBetting

EICINPM

RobD

Carnyx said:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/snp-surge-in-latest-council-polls.1418383957

The Herald's highlighting Kintyre as a 35% swing from Tories to SNP - rather different from the post?

Looks like swing is calculated between first and second parties after the election. Both values are correct.

Norm

SeanT said:

These are not great results for Labour.

Oh, and hello everyone, I've been in Australia. Nice place.

Indeed so - there seems to be an ongoing disparity between real votes cast in the locals and the more fanciful Labour vote shares recorded by some of the polling companies. Frankly based on these figures and previous local results over the last two months (and with conceivably further swingback to come) I really cannot see a majority Labour government after May 2015.

Aus is great but then again I have relatives in WA, Sydney, Adelaide, Melbourne and Tas!.

rottenborough

LibDems doing ok in Aylesbury. Wasn't there a tip about this constituency a few weeks ago on PB?

Carnyx

RobD said:

Carnyx said:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/snp-surge-in-latest-council-polls.1418383957

The Herald's highlighting Kintyre as a 35% swing from Tories to SNP - rather different from the post?

Looks like swing is calculated between first and second parties after the election. Both values are correct.

Ah, thanks. Those multimember wards seem dodgy anyway when it comes to by election comparisons as has been said already in this thread. It seems to me that if e.g. the SNP got seats 1 and 2 and the Dog Lovers Party won seat no 3, and the canine enthusiast died, then there would be a by election , it would tend to change from DLP to SNP at the by election even if there was no other change in voting pattern. Or haveI got it wrong?

JackW

SeanT said:

These are not great results for Labour.

Oh, and hello everyone, I've been in Australia. Nice place.

Served your sentence and now back .... but remember Abel Magwitch.

AndyJS

The price of oil is dropping like a stone as we speak.

Now down to $61.92. Was $70 a few days ago.

http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/

surbiton

AndyJS said:

The price of oil is dropping like a stone as we speak.

Now down to $61.92. Was $70 a few days ago.

http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/

Sleazy Shale oil sliding to oblivion.

Paul_Mid_Beds

Looks like in Aylesbury vale the kipper vote knocked labour from first into third and let the Libdem in.

I know its a council seat but the opposition party challenging to win the election should not be going from first to third with only 17% of the vote in a seat they previously held.

OldKingCole

SeanT said:

Norm said:

SeanT said:

These are not great results for Labour.

Oh, and hello everyone, I've been in Australia. Nice place.

Indeed so - there seems to be an ongoing disparity between real votes cast in the locals and the more fanciful Labour vote shares recorded by some of the polling companies. Frankly based on these figures and previous local results over the last two months (and with conceivably further swingback to come) I really cannot see a majority Labour government after May 2015.

Aus is great but then again I have relatives in WA, Sydney, Adelaide, Melbourne and Tas!.

Aus was fab.

First I did an epic food-and-wine road trip from Melbourne to Sydney, featuring - inter alia - a jaunt by light airplane to meet Australia's greatest winemakers in the Yarra valley. Then I had to go to the "world's best resort" - Qualia in the Whitsundays, followed by the resort trying to be even better than Qualia, the new One and Only on Hayman island (where Tony Blair famously met Rupert Murdoch).

They helicoptered me personally between the islands, like a rock star.

It was, as they say, a tough gig. A month of ridiculous luxury. I had a butler on Hayman Island (Liam from Leeds) who got seriously concerned whenever my silver bucket of free champagne ran low.

Hah.

Qualia:

http://www.qualia.com.au/

One and Only Hayman:

http://hayman.oneandonlyresorts.com/

Did you get to the Whitsundays? Magical, although 25 years ago. Wife still talks about it!

fitalass

Iain Martin in the Telegraph - Can someone please tell Alex Salmond he's making a fool of himself?

Twitter
AnasSarwar @AnasSarwar · 1h 1 hour ago
My message to party members before I handover tomorrow. Thank you - it's been a privilege. Let's now unite and win. http://www.scottishlabour.org.uk/pages/anas-sarwars-message-to-members# …

SquareRoot

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

Looks like in Aylesbury vale the kipper vote knocked labour from first into third and let the Libdem in.

I know its a council seat but the opposition party challenging to win the election should not be going from first to third with only 17% of the vote in a seat they previously held.

Don't read too much into the results.. it was raining heavily

Charles

SeanT said:

These are not great results for Labour.

Oh, and hello everyone, I've been in Australia. Nice place.

The only place in the world with more species of poisonous animals than the Labour Party...

cripipper

Carnyx said:

RobD said:

Carnyx said:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/snp-surge-in-latest-council-polls.1418383957

The Herald's highlighting Kintyre as a 35% swing from Tories to SNP - rather different from the post?

Looks like swing is calculated between first and second parties after the election. Both values are correct.

Ah, thanks. Those multimember wards seem dodgy anyway when it comes to by election comparisons as has been said already in this thread. It seems to me that if e.g. the SNP got seats 1 and 2 and the Dog Lovers Party won seat no 3, and the canine enthusiast died, then there would be a by election , it would tend to change from DLP to SNP at the by election even if there was no other change in voting pattern. Or haveI got it wrong?

When you think about what swing is, it only really works at a conceptual level in a two party system, which is why it is really important that First Preference Vote Share is reported (sadly something that not all those covering STV elections in Scotland have cottoned on to yet).

Smarmeron

@Charles
Don't sell yourself short on the cold blooded venom stakes old chap ;-)

Luckyguy1983

SeanT said:

surbiton said:

AndyJS said:

The price of oil is dropping like a stone as we speak.

Now down to $61.92. Was $70 a few days ago.

http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/

Sleazy Shale oil sliding to oblivion.

Apparently the Saudis are trying to price American shale producers out of the market, by making conventional oil so cheap the shale business is uneconomical.

It is utterly ridiculous. If they *succeed* the price of oil will go back up, which means shale becomes economical again, and so the price of oil (and gas) will fall once more. Duh.

Saudi, Venezuela, Iran, and the rest just have to accept that we are facing a future of cheaper energy. Such a shame for them.

Is it as simple as mothballing things and just turning the taps on again when the oil price rises with Shale? I know it is with gas, but surely Shale requires a good deal more long term investment. I know someone who works for Shell who said they got badly burned with unprofitable Shale fields.

Paul_Mid_Beds

Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.

If you look at the policies of Tory and Lab they are frankly not that different. Both are going to cut, they just differ on the extent to which taxes would rise and whether infrastructure investment counts as part of the deficit. Socially, there is barely a cigarette paper between them, both pretty authoritarian determined to frighten us out of our wits over terrorists and implement draconian laws despite the fact that we survived almost daily IRA bombings and shootings for thirty years without such laws, and both subscribe to what in the 1980s was described as the Loony Left social agenda.

Many of their supporters despise each other on tribal grounds. However that tribalism dosen't largely extend to the MPs, so if its a case of a Lab-Con coalition or a five party coalition with a majority of three, I wouldn't put them past it.

The main policy differences as I said earlier are between UKIP (E&W), SNP(Scot) and Liblabcon. This is reflected in the political debate which (even here) is much fiercer and more hostile between UKIP/SNP and Liblabcon than between Lib/con, Lab/Con and Lab/Lib.

In the 1980s that fierceness and hostility was between Labour and Tory, now they are both largely on the same side squabbling over the finetuning while the electorate look elsewhere. While this situation persists, UKIP won't go away unless an even more attractive party with similar policies emerges.

Paul_Mid_Beds

Smarmeron said:

@Charles
Don't sell yourself short on the cold blooded venom stakes old chap ;-)

A senior Labour politician visiting Australia got bitten by a Common Death Adder a few years back. Sadly despite the best efforts of everyone, the snake died from the poison a few hours later.

David_Evershed

rottenborough said:

LibDems doing ok in Aylesbury. Wasn't there a tip about this constituency a few weeks ago on PB?

It is a UKIP target because they have won some council seats in the area. However, Aylesbury sits in Buckinghamshire which has had the same political party ruling (Conservative) for 125 years, longer than anywhere else in the world.

isam

SeanT said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.

If you look at the policies of Tory and Lab they are frankly not that different. Both are going to cut, they just differ on the extent to which taxes would rise and whether infrastructure investment counts as part of the deficit. Socially, there is barely a cigarette paper between them, both pretty authoritarian determined to frighten us out of our wits over terrorists and implement draconian laws despite the fact that we survived almost daily IRA bombings and shootings for thirty years without such laws, and both subscribe to what in the 1980s was described as the Loony Left social agenda.

Many of their supporters despise each other on tribal grounds. However that tribalism dosen't largely extend to the MPs, so if its a case of a Lab-Con coalition or a five party coalition with a majority of three, I wouldn't put them past it.

The main policy differences as I said earlier are between UKIP (E&W), SNP(Scot) and Liblabcon. This is reflected in the political debate which (even here) is much fiercer and more hostile between UKIP/SNP and Liblabcon than between Lib/con, Lab/Con and Lab/Lib.

In the 1980s that fierceness and hostility was between Labour and Tory, now they are both largely on the same side squabbling over the finetuning while the electorate look elsewhere. While this situation persists, UKIP won't go away unless an even more attractive party with similar policies emerges.

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

Repeal the porn laws?

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

SeanT said:

isam said:

SeanT said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.

If you look at the policies of Tory and Lab they are frankly not that different. Both are going to cut, they just differ on the extent to which taxes would rise and whether infrastructure investment counts as part of the deficit. Socially, there is barely a cigarette paper between them, both pretty authoritarian determined to frighten us out of our wits over terrorists and implement draconian laws despite the fact that we survived almost daily IRA bombings and shootings for thirty years without such laws, and both subscribe to what in the 1980s was described as the Loony Left social agenda.

Many of their supporters despise each other on tribal grounds. However that tribalism dosen't largely extend to the MPs, so if its a case of a Lab-Con coalition or a five party coalition with a majority of three, I wouldn't put them past it.

The main policy differences as I said earlier are between UKIP (E&W), SNP(Scot) and Liblabcon. This is reflected in the political debate which (even here) is much fiercer and more hostile between UKIP/SNP and Liblabcon than between Lib/con, Lab/Con and Lab/Lib.

In the 1980s that fierceness and hostility was between Labour and Tory, now they are both largely on the same side squabbling over the finetuning while the electorate look elsewhere. While this situation persists, UKIP won't go away unless an even more attractive party with similar policies emerges.

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

Repeal the porn law?

The echo of "the corn laws" is just too juicy and squirty to resist.

I suspect these laws were drafted by men who have never made a woman squirt. Clueless woofters.

Agreed. And by women who have never been made to squirt by a man.
As they haven't enjoyed it, then no one else should.

Sean_F

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.

If you look at the policies of Tory and Lab they are frankly not that different. Both are going to cut, they just differ on the extent to which taxes would rise and whether infrastructure investment counts as part of the deficit. Socially, there is barely a cigarette paper between them, both pretty authoritarian determined to frighten us out of our wits over terrorists and implement draconian laws despite the fact that we survived almost daily IRA bombings and shootings for thirty years without such laws, and both subscribe to what in the 1980s was described as the Loony Left social agenda.

Many of their supporters despise each other on tribal grounds. However that tribalism dosen't largely extend to the MPs, so if its a case of a Lab-Con coalition or a five party coalition with a majority of three, I wouldn't put them past it.

The main policy differences as I said earlier are between UKIP (E&W), SNP(Scot) and Liblabcon. This is reflected in the political debate which (even here) is much fiercer and more hostile between UKIP/SNP and Liblabcon than between Lib/con, Lab/Con and Lab/Lib.

In the 1980s that fierceness and hostility was between Labour and Tory, now they are both largely on the same side squabbling over the finetuning while the electorate look elsewhere. While this situation persists, UKIP won't go away unless an even more attractive party with similar policies emerges.

Grand coalitions of the established parties are becoming more common across Europe, as they lose ground to insurgent parties. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it happened here.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

SeanT said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

SeanT said:

isam said:

SeanT said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.

emerges.

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

Repeal the porn law?

The echo of "the corn laws" is just too juicy and squirty to resist.

I suspect these laws were drafted by men who have never made a woman squirt. Clueless woofters.

Agreed. And by women who have never been made to squirt by a man.
As they haven't enjoyed it, then no one else should.

This is, erm, probably a chat for after the lagershed, but yes, totally agreed. And the actual situation might be even worse: it is possible that the laws were drafted by people who are so rubbish in bed they don't actually believe squirting exists, that it is some base invention by porn moguls, or whatever.

Risible, sexless dorks.

THIS IS BRITAIN, WE DON'T WANT INTENSE FEMALE ORGASMS, THANKYOU VERY MUCH.

Fair point about best being after the lagershed. I Will refrain from commenting further.

AndyJS

Female ejaculation is actually just urinating, apparently. So our wonderful numpty civil servants have managed to ban something that doesn't exist.

Well done, them.

Scrapheap_as_was

UKIP Today news channel needed at this rate and both totally rock-solid sources for these stories... cough

1m Louise Mensch ✔ @LouiseMensch
the Stuart Wheeler/Nigel Farage ferrets in the UKIP sack will be fun to watch. Hearing that Douglas Carswell is very uncomfortable with NF

5m Iain Dale @IainDale
Blogpost - EXCLUSIVE: Paul Sykes to Cease UKIP Party Funding. http://iaindale.com/posts/2014/12/12/exclusive-paul-sykes-to-cease-funding-ukip …

So this is why UKIP accepted Mr Reckless? Pity he's not going to cling on looking at the odds.

Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Curiously parties get money per seat and per 200 votes, meaning cash bonanza for Ukip after election as long as it gets at least two.

Scrapheap_as_was

Michael Crick‏@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"

Louise Mensch‏@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.

Great stuff....

saddened

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Michael Crick‏@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"

Louise Mensch‏@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.

Great stuff....

Can someone please explain to me why anybody should care about what L Mensch has to say?

Casino_Royale

Sean_F said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.

If you look at the policies of Tory and Lab they are frankly not that different. Both are going to cut, they just differ on the extent to which taxes would rise and whether infrastructure investment counts as part of the deficit. Socially, there is barely a cigarette paper between them, both pretty authoritarian determined to frighten us out of our wits over terrorists and implement draconian laws despite the fact that we survived almost daily IRA bombings and shootings for thirty years without such laws, and both subscribe to what in the 1980s was described as the Loony Left social agenda.

Many of their supporters despise each other on tribal grounds. However that tribalism dosen't largely extend to the MPs, so if its a case of a Lab-Con coalition or a five party coalition with a majority of three, I wouldn't put them past it.

The main policy differences as I said earlier are between UKIP (E&W), SNP(Scot) and Liblabcon. This is reflected in the political debate which (even here) is much fiercer and more hostile between UKIP/SNP and Liblabcon than between Lib/con, Lab/Con and Lab/Lib.

In the 1980s that fierceness and hostility was between Labour and Tory, now they are both largely on the same side squabbling over the finetuning while the electorate look elsewhere. While this situation persists, UKIP won't go away unless an even more attractive party with similar policies emerges.

Grand coalitions of the established parties are becoming more common across Europe, as they lose ground to insurgent parties. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it happened here.

I've had £10 at 50/1. I think the odds are far too long.

I can easily see the two main parties hugging each other more closely as they become more scared of the insurgents. There's more they share in common than meets the eye.

Scrapheap_as_was

saddened said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Michael Crick‏@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"

Louise Mensch‏@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.

Great stuff....

Can someone please explain to me why anybody should care about what L Mensch has to say?

fair comment!!!!

Michael Crick‏@MichaelLCrick·2 mins2 minutes ago
Farage says not worried at prospect of Stuart Wheeler ending Ukip donations over Neil Hamilton as it's "quite some time" since gave money

Michael Crick‏@MichaelLCrick·4 mins4 minutes ago
Farage hopes Hamilton will stay in Ukip, clear up expense dispute & carry on travelling round "cheering people up".

isam

Scrapheap_as_was said:

UKIP Today news channel needed at this rate and both totally rock-solid sources for these stories... cough

1m Louise Mensch ✔ @LouiseMensch
the Stuart Wheeler/Nigel Farage ferrets in the UKIP sack will be fun to watch. Hearing that Douglas Carswell is very uncomfortable with NF

5m Iain Dale @IainDale
Blogpost - EXCLUSIVE: Paul Sykes to Cease UKIP Party Funding. http://iaindale.com/posts/2014/12/12/exclusive-paul-sykes-to-cease-funding-ukip …

So this is why UKIP accepted Mr Reckless? Pity he's not going to cling on looking at the odds.

Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Curiously parties get money per seat and per 200 votes, meaning cash bonanza for Ukip after election as long as it gets at least two.

Blimey you are borderline obsessed! The Paul Sykes story is very old news

Scrapheap_as_was

isam said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

UKIP Today news channel needed at this rate and both totally rock-solid sources for these stories... cough

1m Louise Mensch ✔ @LouiseMensch
the Stuart Wheeler/Nigel Farage ferrets in the UKIP sack will be fun to watch. Hearing that Douglas Carswell is very uncomfortable with NF

5m Iain Dale @IainDale
Blogpost - EXCLUSIVE: Paul Sykes to Cease UKIP Party Funding. http://iaindale.com/posts/2014/12/12/exclusive-paul-sykes-to-cease-funding-ukip …

So this is why UKIP accepted Mr Reckless? Pity he's not going to cling on looking at the odds.

Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Curiously parties get money per seat and per 200 votes, meaning cash bonanza for Ukip after election as long as it gets at least two.

Blimey you are borderline obsessed! The Paul Sykes story is very old news

Snigger.... thanks Isam.... that's top notch irony.... off to try and mend my sides.

Sean_F

saddened said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Michael Crick‏@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"

Louise Mensch‏@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.

Great stuff....

Can someone please explain to me why anybody should care about what L Mensch has to say?

Search me. She crashed and burned as a politician. I would consider it vanishingly unlikely that either Douglas Carswell or Mark Reckless would want Neil Hamilton to be a UKIP candidate.

HYUFD

SeanF Indeed, the Greens are squeezing Labour from the left, UKIP the Tories from the right

You do more exercise on the right or left than if a centrist
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2871291/Being-extremist-BETTER-health-holding-moderate-views-People-stronger-political-opinions-exercise.html

isam

Scrapheap_as_was said:

isam said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

UKIP Today news channel needed at this rate and both totally rock-solid sources for these stories... cough

1m Louise Mensch ✔ @LouiseMensch
the Stuart Wheeler/Nigel Farage ferrets in the UKIP sack will be fun to watch. Hearing that Douglas Carswell is very uncomfortable with NF

5m Iain Dale @IainDale
Blogpost - EXCLUSIVE: Paul Sykes to Cease UKIP Party Funding. http://iaindale.com/posts/2014/12/12/exclusive-paul-sykes-to-cease-funding-ukip …

So this is why UKIP accepted Mr Reckless? Pity he's not going to cling on looking at the odds.

Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Curiously parties get money per seat and per 200 votes, meaning cash bonanza for Ukip after election as long as it gets at least two.

Blimey you are borderline obsessed! The Paul Sykes story is very old news

Snigger.... thanks Isam.... that's top notch irony.... off to try and mend my sides.

How do you mean, I am obsessed? Is that what you are saying?

With what?

AndyJS

O/T:

I'm hoping The Ice Twins by S. K. Tremayne is as good as everyone is saying it is.

Luckyguy1983

Not everyone has got the 'Hate Russia' memo apparently:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/11/us-india-russia-highlights-idUSKBN0JP1A720141211

JosiasJessop

Titters:

It turns out the man who harangued Bland on QT last night was not just an ordinary Joe. In fact, he's the brother of a UKIP MEP ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-30448645

David_Evershed

saddened said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Michael Crick‏@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"

Louise Mensch‏@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.

Great stuff....

Can someone please explain to me why anybody should care about what L Mensch has to say?

The Conservatives dislike her because she abandonned her consituency

The rest of the population dislike her because she is a self publicist.

Paul_Mid_Beds

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Michael Crick‏@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"

Louise Mensch‏@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.

Great stuff....

Former tory MP who apparently still supports tories publishes unsubstantiated gossip about rival party whos taken a chunk of their votes.

Desperate stuff.....

And look whos she's just retweeted:

Louise Mensch Retweeted 1 min ago:
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB @LouiseMensch I'm hearing that several leading kippers won't be too unhappy if the party fails to win Thanet South

AndyJS

This has to be the perfect definition of an entitled, spoilt brat attitude:

"Korean Air chairman apologises for daughter’s ‘nut rage’

Cho Hyun-ah delayed flight departure after losing temper with flight attendant who offered snack in bag instead of on plate"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/12/korean-air-chairman-apologises-daughter-delayed-flight-macadamia-nut-rage

isam

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Michael Crick‏@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"

Louise Mensch‏@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.

Great stuff....

Former tory MP who apparently still supports tories publishes unsubstantiated gossip about rival party whos taken a chunk of their votes.

Desperate stuff.....

And look whos she's just retweeted:

Louise Mensch Retweeted 1 min ago:
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB @LouiseMensch I'm hearing that several leading kippers won't be too unhappy if the party fails to win Thanet South

Like a load of Spurs supporters who cant stop talking about the Arsenal

David_Evershed

Why is the face-sitting protest getting so much media coverage?

Innocent face.

AndyJS

The best thing for UKIP would be for Neil Hamilton to stand in his old constituency of Tatton. That would keep him quiet for a bit vs George Osborne.

surbiton

Good day for me. Actually, went into the House of Commons and the Lords'. I have been there before but only saw from the galleries. Also, the division rooms and, of course, Westminster Hall, Central Lobby etc.

The place looks smaller than what you envisage on TV.

Paul_Mid_Beds

SeanT said:

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.

Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.

Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.

I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"

I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.

Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"

surbiton

David_Evershed said:

saddened said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Michael Crick‏@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"

Louise Mensch‏@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.

Great stuff....

Can someone please explain to me why anybody should care about what L Mensch has to say?

The Conservatives dislike her because she abandonned her consituency

The rest of the population dislike her because she is a self publicist.

In the immortal words of tim: me me mensch !!!

Luckyguy1983

SeanT said:

One can dislike her but it is silly to deny she has a gift for generating contention and debate.

So does holocaust denial, but we don't allow that airtime.

surbiton

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

SeanT said:

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.

Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.

Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.

I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"

I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.

Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"

When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?

Luckyguy1983

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

SeanT said:

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.

Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.

Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.

I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"

I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.

Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"

But ARE they being banned from being 'shown' online here? My understanding is it's just our hard (ahem) working smut merchants that are being targeted, whereas the massive industry in the US carries on unencumbered. It's much like insisting British farmers have certain animal husbandry standards but freely accepting imports of food that doesn't conform to the same standards. I've never got that either. I'm open to argument on it though.

state_go_away

Luckyguy1983 said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

SeanT said:

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.

Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.

Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.

I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"

I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.

Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"

But ARE they being banned from being 'shown' online here? My understanding is it's just our hard (ahem) working smut merchants that are being targeted, whereas the massive industry in the US carries on unencumbered. It's much like insisting British farmers have certain animal husbandry standards but freely accepting imports of food that doesn't conform to the same standards. I've never got that either. I'm open to argument on it though.

the bondage laws are all tied up in knots

I'll get my coat

Sean_F

surbiton said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

SeanT said:

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.

Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.

Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.

I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"

I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.

Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"

When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?

I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.

surbiton

Sean_F said:

surbiton said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

SeanT said:

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.

Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.

Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.

I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"

I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.

Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"

When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?

I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.

A huge reservoir of talent will go waste !

isam

Sean_F said:

surbiton said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

SeanT said:

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.

Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.

Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.

I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"

I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.

Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"

When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?

I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.

Have emailed you Sean

MarkSenior

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

Looks like in Aylesbury vale the kipper vote knocked labour from first into third and let the Libdem in.

I know its a council seat but the opposition party challenging to win the election should not be going from first to third with only 17% of the vote in a seat they previously held.

UKIP won both the equivalent CC seats ( Southcourt being won by yesterday's UKIP candidate ) in 2013( when Aylesbury was one of the 10 constituencies UKIP " won " in the CC elections ) . They have therefore dropped from first to second and the 10 would now only be 9 .

Paul_Mid_Beds

Luckyguy1983 said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

SeanT said:

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.

Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.

Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.

I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"

I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.

Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"

But ARE they being banned from being 'shown' online here? My understanding is it's just our hard (ahem) working smut merchants that are being targeted, whereas the massive industry in the US carries on unencumbered. It's much like insisting British farmers have certain animal husbandry standards but freely accepting imports of food that doesn't conform to the same standards. I've never got that either. I'm open to argument on it though.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7364475.stm

Garethofthevale

Sean_F said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

Re the idea of a Grand Coalition FPT.

If you look at the policies of Tory and Lab they are frankly not that different. Both are going to cut, they just differ on the extent to which taxes would rise and whether infrastructure investment counts as part of the deficit. Socially, there is barely a cigarette paper between them, both pretty authoritarian determined to frighten us out of our wits over terrorists and implement draconian laws despite the fact that we survived almost daily IRA bombings and shootings for thirty years without such laws, and both subscribe to what in the 1980s was described as the Loony Left social agenda.

Many of their supporters despise each other on tribal grounds. However that tribalism dosen't largely extend to the MPs, so if its a case of a Lab-Con coalition or a five party coalition with a majority of three, I wouldn't put them past it.

The main policy differences as I said earlier are between UKIP (E&W), SNP(Scot) and Liblabcon. This is reflected in the political debate which (even here) is much fiercer and more hostile between UKIP/SNP and Liblabcon than between Lib/con, Lab/Con and Lab/Lib.

In the 1980s that fierceness and hostility was between Labour and Tory, now they are both largely on the same side squabbling over the finetuning while the electorate look elsewhere. While this situation persists, UKIP won't go away unless an even more attractive party with similar policies emerges.

Grand coalitions of the established parties are becoming more common across Europe, as they lose ground to insurgent parties. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it happened here.

I would love a grand coalition. Can you imagine the meltdown on Comment is Free.

I think the Conservatives could just about survive one, although most likely with some further shedding of the right wing. On the other hand it would kill the Labour party. Many Labour peeps hate the Tories much more than they love Labour and they would see mass shedding of members to the Greens or perhaps some sort of socialist offshoot. UKIP would be rubbing their hands with glee.

Realistically the only possible coalitions I can see are:

Con+LD
Lab+LD
Con+DUP
Con+DUP+UKIP
Lab+LD+SNP (just about although this would be high risk for Labour if they didn't win in England)

David_Evershed

JosiasJessop said:

Titters:

It turns out the man who harangued Bland on QT last night was not just an ordinary Joe. In fact, he's the brother of a UKIP MEP ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-30448645

biblehub.com/genesis/4-9.htm

Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” He said, “I do not know; am I my brother's keeper?”

Grandiose

isam said:

Sean_F said:

surbiton said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

SeanT said:

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.

Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.

Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.

I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"

I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.

Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"

When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?

I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.

Have emailed you Sean

The new law extended to paidfor online serices the same rules that apparently already applied to sex shops. Now I've never been to such a place, but I doubt they follow the law in that respect.

MarkSenior

AndyJS said:

Female ejaculation is actually just urinating, apparently. So our wonderful numpty civil servants have managed to ban something that doesn't exist.

Well done, them.

No it is certainly not Urination as an analysis has found they are in fact secretions from the Skeane's Glands

Tykejohnno

Nice to see mikeK and seanT back ;-)

Tapper

David_Evershed said:

Why is the face-sitting protest getting so much media coverage?

Innocent face.

News is managed by the military. Distraction is a key objective of news to stop you focusing on anything serious.

TheWatcher

Grandiose said:

isam said:

Sean_F said:

surbiton said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

SeanT said:

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.

Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.

Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.

I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"

I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.

Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"

When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?

I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.

Have emailed you Sean

The new law extended to paidfor online serices the same rules that apparently already applied to sex shops. Now I've never been to such a place, but I doubt they follow the law in that respect.

It's not my cup of tea, but if consenting adults wish to engage in or watch such activities it's up to them.

A mass squirt outside parliament would give our lawmakers pause for thought.

TheWatcher

Tapper said:

David_Evershed said:

Why is the face-sitting protest getting so much media coverage?

Innocent face.

News is managed by the military. Distraction is a key objective of news to stop you focusing on anything serious.

Military? Youve fallen for the lie.

Shape shifting lizard aliens are in charge.

Tapper

What's your explanation, Watcher?.............you're on the payroll too no doubt!

Sean_F

isam said:

Sean_F said:

surbiton said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

SeanT said:

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.

Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.

Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.

I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"

I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.

Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"

When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?

I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.

Have emailed you Sean

I've replied.

Paul_Mid_Beds

Luckyguy1983 said:

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But ARE they being banned from being 'shown' online here? My understanding is it's just our hard (ahem) working smut merchants that are being targeted, whereas the massive industry in the US carries on unencumbered. It's much like insisting British farmers have certain animal husbandry standards but freely accepting imports of food that doesn't conform to the same standards. I've never got that either. I'm open to argument on it though.

The answer is that you will need to demonstrate in court that they are not illegal if caught with such images.

Unlike the Obscene Publications Act which criminalises publication of obscene images, S63 criminalises possession of such (even if unsolicited)

http://sexandcensorship.org/2014/08/criminalised-receiving-extreme-porn-via-whatsapp/

Note that they were done after being stopped by the police on other matters and subject to a routine search of their mobile phones.

Not hard to see how Constable Savage and Spook Savage will make good use of this, (of course even if not convicted (or even charged) you will likely be banned from the family home by social workers as a risk to your children for months while they investigate). Meanwhile you will be denounced as a Pedo by illiterate mobs and have your life made a misery and probably lose your job and be ruined.

Carnyx

o/t but interesting comment on Gary Gibbon's C4 blog of the 9th:

Greg McCarra 09-Dec-14 at Hi Philip The membership of the SNP Trade Union Group exceeded 13,000 several days ago. We are now larger than the ‘Scottish’ Labour Party’s official membership total, and probably more than twice the actual total. Cllr Greg McCarra Executive Member, SNP TUG - See more at: http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/scottish-labour-leadership-contest-general-election/29853#more-29853

Grandiose

TheWatcher said:

Grandiose said:

isam said:

Sean_F said:

surbiton said:

Paul_Mid_Beds said:

SeanT said:

Talking of authoritarian, did you guys debate the porn laws while I was away?

They outlawed squirting. And hard spanking. And four limb bondage. Basically all the good stuff. Hilariously precise and stupid. We are governed by particularly dimwitted protozoa.

I think everyone is missing the main point/threat about this.

Certain acts which could legally be made online in the UK cannot be anymore, because they are deemed as too extreme.

Everyone seems to be just jumping up and down because it hits UK porn businesses.

I think its far more draconian than that. If they are banned from being published online in the UK then it follows anyone caught watching it from foreign sources or being in possession of images of such acts may face arrest, prison and the sex offenders register under section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 for being in possession of "extreme pornographic images"

I'm not a great enthusiast for liberal porn laws but I fear the change in the law a couple of weeks ago combined with section 63 could be a witchhunt enabling act.

Note from Wikipedia "As was demonstrated by a court decision in 2014, it is not necessary to prove that those in possession of offending images had solicited them. Thus it is possible to contravene the law as a result of involuntarily receiving such images"

When was porn banned ? I have not read a single post in pb. Isn't it an unalienable right guaranteed by the US constitution ? Or, did I make it up ?

I believe it's now unlawful for British producers of pornographic films to publish material which depicts a variety of different acts, such as the activities enjoyed by the late Mr. Milligan, or those for which Mr. Oaten allegedly paid extra.

Have emailed you Sean

The new law extended to paidfor online serices the same rules that apparently already applied to sex shops. Now I've never been to such a place, but I doubt they follow the law in that respect.

It's not my cup of tea, but if consenting adults wish to engage in or watch such activities it's up to them.

A mass squirt outside parliament would give our lawmakers pause for thought.

Clearly we decided a long time ago the physical laws weren't worth enforcing. We should drop both. It is a strange, arbitrary list - even if we thought certain types of porn were particularly degrading or offenieve and should banned, the list is wrong. Won't affect consumers much, difficult to justify it that way.

TheWatcher

Tapper said:

What's your explanation, Watcher?.............you're on the payroll too no doubt!

Tapper said:

What's your explanation, Watcher?.............you're on the payroll too no doubt!

Stories on your website - ever wondered where they come from?

Flightpath

MarkSenior said:

AndyJS said:

Female ejaculation is actually just urinating, apparently. So our wonderful numpty civil servants have managed to ban something that doesn't exist.

Well done, them.

No it is certainly not Urination as an analysis has found they are in fact secretions from the Skeane's Glands

Which is more embarrassing, demonstrating you know what you are talking about in this topic or that you are idiot clueless?
Me, I don't know how to lay a bet.

corporeal

AndyJS said:

Female ejaculation is actually just urinating, apparently. So our wonderful numpty civil servants have managed to ban something that doesn't exist.

Well done, them.

(Actually Andy, the detail is they are theoretically fine with squirting but think films are using that description as a work around when what is actually being shown is urination).

Flightpath

David_Evershed said:

Why is the face-sitting protest getting so much media coverage?

Innocent face.

Better than a squashed face.

(...so I'm told!)

Tapper

Distraction technique number two. Clearly a professional.

TheWatcher

Tapper said:

Distraction technique number two. Clearly a professional.

You're here now. You're distracted.

MikeK

SeanT said:

Fascinating and grisly analysis of America's economy. Long term unemployment has tripled. Median wages are static over decades.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/upshot/unemployment-the-vanishing-male-worker-how-america-fell-behind.html?abt=0002&abg=1&_r=0

This is the future for ALL of the West (unless we are saved by cheap energy), until Asia catches up. We are in a new groove and it is not pretty.

Hi SeanT, I thought you were lost in the great Australian Outback. Back just in time to see all those Cracking firms go belly-up in the States, as the Dow loses 315 points.

Cheap oil, while a benefit, could see an even greater pressure on wages. That won't please the governments of Europe as the revolt on the Right swells.

Flightpath

Scrapheap_as_was said:

UKIP Today news channel needed at this rate and both totally rock-solid sources for these stories... cough

1m Louise Mensch ✔ @LouiseMensch
the Stuart Wheeler/Nigel Farage ferrets in the UKIP sack will be fun to watch. Hearing that Douglas Carswell is very uncomfortable with NF

5m Iain Dale @IainDale
Blogpost - EXCLUSIVE: Paul Sykes to Cease UKIP Party Funding. http://iaindale.com/posts/2014/12/12/exclusive-paul-sykes-to-cease-funding-ukip …

So this is why UKIP accepted Mr Reckless? Pity he's not going to cling on looking at the odds.

Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Curiously parties get money per seat and per 200 votes, meaning cash bonanza for Ukip after election as long as it gets at least two.

If Carswell cannot stand Farage why did he leave the Tories? Farage cannot have come as that big a surprise can he?

fitalass

Speak for yourself! I am a fan of Louise Mensch, and she certainly brightened up the Tory backbenches while she an MP. And I think that she made the right choice putting the long term health of her family life before politics. And as for being a self publicist, you do realise that she was an author before she entered politics?

David_Evershed said:

saddened said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

Michael Crick‏@MichaelLCrick·1m1 minute ago
Farage tells me Neil Hamilton "is a divisive figure, tho' there are 1 or 2 people who think he's one of the great gifts to British politics"

Louise Mensch‏@LouiseMensch·20 secs21 seconds ago
It's Wheeler, Carswell, Reckless, O'Flynn vs Farage in the UKIP ferret-wheel at the moment, so says westminster gossip.

Great stuff....

Can someone please explain to me why anybody should care about what L Mensch has to say?

The Conservatives dislike her because she abandonned her consituency

The rest of the population dislike her because she is a self publicist.

Flightpath

David_Evershed said:

rottenborough said:

LibDems doing ok in Aylesbury. Wasn't there a tip about this constituency a few weeks ago on PB?

It is a UKIP target because they have won some council seats in the area. However, Aylesbury sits in Buckinghamshire which has had the same political party ruling (Conservative) for 125 years, longer than anywhere else in the world.

The UKIP target is the muslim population.

TheWatcher

Flightpath said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

UKIP Today news channel needed at this rate and both totally rock-solid sources for these stories... cough

1m Louise Mensch ✔ @LouiseMensch
the Stuart Wheeler/Nigel Farage ferrets in the UKIP sack will be fun to watch. Hearing that Douglas Carswell is very uncomfortable with NF

5m Iain Dale @IainDale
Blogpost - EXCLUSIVE: Paul Sykes to Cease UKIP Party Funding. http://iaindale.com/posts/2014/12/12/exclusive-paul-sykes-to-cease-funding-ukip …

So this is why UKIP accepted Mr Reckless? Pity he's not going to cling on looking at the odds.

Jim Pickard @PickardJE
Curiously parties get money per seat and per 200 votes, meaning cash bonanza for Ukip after election as long as it gets at least two.

If Carswell cannot stand Farage why did he leave the Tories? Farage cannot have come as that big a surprise can he?

Carswell's chances of leading a party are greater with UKIP?

OldKingCole

David_Evershed said:

JosiasJessop said:

Titters:

It turns out the man who harangued Bland on QT last night was not just an ordinary Joe. In fact, he's the brother of a UKIP MEP ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-30448645

biblehub.com/genesis/4-9.htm

Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” He said, “I do not know; am I my brother's keeper?”

Do you mean he was his brothers kipper?

Scott_P

@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph

@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU

MikeK

Neil Hamilton ‏@NeilUKIP 28m28 minutes ago
Rumours I’ve resigned from #UKIP R untrue. Elected 2 NEC by OVERWHELMING popular vote. Have NOT been accused of 'fiddling expenses’ #Lies

Floater

Charles said:

SeanT said:

These are not great results for Labour.

Oh, and hello everyone, I've been in Australia. Nice place.

The only place in the world with more species of poisonous animals than the Labour Party...

That did make me LOL

FrancisUrquhart

Telegraph has a story about David Miliband possible return to politics...

I can't see any problems with that, I mean that report on the CIA didn't have anything bad in it.

JosiasJessop

MikeK said:

Neil Hamilton ‏@NeilUKIP 28m28 minutes ago
Rumours I’ve resigned from #UKIP R untrue. Elected 2 NEC by OVERWHELMING popular vote. Have NOT been accused of 'fiddling expenses’ #Lies

BTW Mike, glad to see you're back on, and hope your recovery goes well & quickly.

MikeK

Scott_P said:

@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph

@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU

So what! Is this story supposed to kill UKIP stone dead? Another epic fail by the MSM.
If there had been more British politicians of Enoch Powell's calibre, Britain would have been a much more pleasant place to live, than now is the case.

AndyJS

Scott_P said:

@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph

@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU

Sounds like another attempt to persuade people who never going to vote UKIP not to vote UKIP.

MikeK

@JosiasJessop

Thanks for the thought. Hope all goes well with you, too.

fitalass

Time for the popcorn, it was all so inevitable....

Twitter
Christine Hamilton ‏@brit_battleaxe 9m9 minutes ago
He who laughs last laughs longest...

TheWatcher

FrancisUrquhart said:

Telegraph has a story about David Miliband possible return to politics...

I can't see any problems with that, I mean that report on the CIA didn't have anything bad in it.

Is he going Kipper?

nigel4england

Scott_P said:

@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph

@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU

That Enoch Powell bloke, wasn't he a Conservative?

TheWatcher

MikeK said:

Scott_P said:

@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph

@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU

So what! Is this story supposed to kill UKIP stone dead? Another epic fail by the MSM.
If there had been more British politicians of Enoch Powell's calibre, Britain would have been a much more pleasant place to live, than now is the case.

How many foreign medical personnel have been involved in your treatment?

nigel4england

MikeK said:

@JosiasJessop

Thanks for the thought. Hope all goes well with you, too.

Best wishes Mike, don't let the 'Get UKIP' campaign bother you, it seems the worse it gets the better we do!

corporeal

MikeK said:

Scott_P said:

@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph

@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU

So what! Is this story supposed to kill UKIP stone dead? Another epic fail by the MSM.
If there had been more British politicians of Enoch Powell's calibre, Britain would have been a much more pleasant place to live, than now is the case.

The story's supposed to generate clicks and sell papers.

isam

TheWatcher said:

MikeK said:

Scott_P said:

@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph

@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU

So what! Is this story supposed to kill UKIP stone dead? Another epic fail by the MSM.
If there had been more British politicians of Enoch Powell's calibre, Britain would have been a much more pleasant place to live, than now is the case.

How many foreign medical personnel have been involved in your treatment?

Who first introduced mass use of immigrant Doctors and Nurses to the NHS? Do you know?

Paul_Mid_Beds

corporeal said:

MikeK said:

Scott_P said:

@christopherhope: Revealed: How Nigel Farage begged Enoch Powell to give a speech for him in the 1994 Eastleigh by-election. Powell said no. @Telegraph

@TelePolitics: Nigel Farage and Enoch Powell: the full story of Ukip's links with the 'Rivers of Blood' politician http://t.co/NAlWz4D7BU

So what! Is this story supposed to kill UKIP stone dead? Another epic fail by the MSM.
If there had been more British politicians of Enoch Powell's calibre, Britain would have been a much more pleasant place to live, than now is the case.

The story's supposed to generate clicks and sell papers.

And give UKIP more free publicity?

Wonder what they will come up with next. Nigel Farage ate my hamster?