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Good cartoon.0
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Brilliant cartoon, Marf - but naughty!0
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Just been alerted to an investigation by the LA Times on how the US gets it's vegies from Mexico. Is this why Tesco couldn't compete, or want to?
http://goo.gl/EMMIIL0 -
Great stuff Marf.0
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How can a 1 point Labour lead be turned into a tie as happened with YOU GOV last night.To be trusted a poll must be statistically accurate.
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Actually Monday's poll was a 1 point TORY lead!roserees64 said:How can a 1 point Labour lead be turned into a tie as happened with YOU GOV last night.To be trusted a poll must be statistically accurate.
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UKIP would have to be out of their minds to select Neil Hamilton. Maybe they are.0
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Good cartoon Marf.
Whatever one's political affiliations I hope we can agree that there are certain figures so odious or toxic or, indeed, criminal that they should have no place in any party. Neil Hamilton ticks all three of those boxes and I wouldn't want him standing for the Conservatives.
The Machiavellian in me hopes UKIP select him. The moral in me says they should give him the boot.
Looks as if they're not happy chappies and chappesses in Basildon UKIP: http://order-order.com/2014/12/10/ukip-in-uproar-over-neil-hamilton-selection-stitch-up/0 -
p.s. one of my abiding memories of 1997 was the 'Putting the Tat back in Tatton.' Anyone else remember that? British General Elections at their very, very, best
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Hamilton was the epitomy of sleaze during the Major years.
UKIP have lost the plot.0 -
Good likeness of Hamilton Marf, I hope the kippers on here are reasonable in their comments.
Whilst I hold to the view that UKIP handled the Bird suspension as well as anyone can do, there are a number of issues that arise from the underlying causes of the whole debacle.
First, UKIP clearly have not improved their vetting processes, when a fake degree can creep through. No lessons learned from the Ashley Mote benefits fraud etc.
We have here the Central Leadership of a party deciding to impose from their shortlist a PPC onto a local association. Something that other parties have done but UKIP said it was different...
The Central Leadership also bowed down to pressure from the PC brigade for a candidate that ticked other boxes. Female and Ethnic. Something that Lab and Cons (not LDs) have done but UKIP said it was different...
The real surprise is how quickly UKIP joined in with the rest. "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”0 -
He shouldn't even be allowed to stand. Personally I think anyone found guilty of malfeasance in public office should be barred for life from standing again.audreyanne said:Good cartoon Marf.
Whatever one's political affiliations I hope we can agree that there are certain figures so odious or toxic or, indeed, criminal that they should have no place in any party. Neil Hamilton ticks all three of those boxes and I wouldn't want him standing for the Conservatives.
The Machiavellian in me hopes UKIP select him. The moral in me says they should give him the boot.
Looks as if they're not happy chappies and chappesses in Basildon UKIP: http://order-order.com/2014/12/10/ukip-in-uproar-over-neil-hamilton-selection-stitch-up/0 -
I should've gone for it in SB&ET
The constituency literally starts at the end of my road. But it is one of the biggest around I think... covers places in Essex I have never heard of
EDIT: My road is actually in the constituency! v long road0 -
Agreed RichardRichard_Tyndall said:
He shouldn't even be allowed to stand. Personally I think anyone found guilty of malfeasance in public office should be barred for life from standing again.audreyanne said:Good cartoon Marf.
Whatever one's political affiliations I hope we can agree that there are certain figures so odious or toxic or, indeed, criminal that they should have no place in any party. Neil Hamilton ticks all three of those boxes and I wouldn't want him standing for the Conservatives.
The Machiavellian in me hopes UKIP select him. The moral in me says they should give him the boot.
Looks as if they're not happy chappies and chappesses in Basildon UKIP: http://order-order.com/2014/12/10/ukip-in-uproar-over-neil-hamilton-selection-stitch-up/0 -
Have they selected him?
Is this their brave new politics? Neil Hamilton? Is this a joke?
God give me strength (= outrage on behalf of Kippers everywhere). Is this how you see the future of your party?
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If UKIP really did want to appear as a clean break from the current major parties, why on earth would they attach themselves to Neil Hamilton? UKIP said it was different...0
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I don't think UKIP have such a person, but the role of a UKIP election strategist could be very interesting now. The top of the range is perhaps 22% (just making these number up). The strategist has to hate that in parts - all those nutters he hasn't vetted. If they get near that sort of thing its clearly in bed with the Tories, and a referendum is certain. (I think it's impossible for UKIP to do better than this sort of level in 2015)
What though at lower shares? I think at 10% or above they really have to focus on banging the drum for their referendum. They are likely to get it eventually.
UKIP sub 10%? Unless the LDs poll worse and get more seats (a distinct possibility) then that's that for UKIP.
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I'm with you on this. Terrible choice if UKIP make it.Richard_Tyndall said:
He shouldn't even be allowed to stand. Personally I think anyone found guilty of malfeasance in public office should be barred for life from standing again.audreyanne said:Good cartoon Marf.
Whatever one's political affiliations I hope we can agree that there are certain figures so odious or toxic or, indeed, criminal that they should have no place in any party. Neil Hamilton ticks all three of those boxes and I wouldn't want him standing for the Conservatives.
The Machiavellian in me hopes UKIP select him. The moral in me says they should give him the boot.
Looks as if they're not happy chappies and chappesses in Basildon UKIP: http://order-order.com/2014/12/10/ukip-in-uproar-over-neil-hamilton-selection-stitch-up/0 -
We have more than enough failed politicians as it is. I'm half of the mind that once you've been booted out as an MP, you shouldn't be allowed to stand for election again. You've had your shot, let someone else have a pop. Otherwise, it's just a merry go round of the same old faces chasing a slot on the gravy train.
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What do you mean by "turned into"?roserees64 said:How can a 1 point Labour lead be turned into a tie as happened with YOU GOV last night.To be trusted a poll must be statistically accurate.
I doubt anyone reading this knows what you are talking about. Why not provide some more information and preferably a link in order to fill us in.
Are you suggesting the poll isn't statistically accurate? On what basis? YouGov has an extremely high reputation - it seems unlikely to me that they would have made an elementary mistake.0 -
I hope Nick Palmer reads this.TwistedFireStopper said:We have more than enough failed politicians as it is. I'm half of the mind that once you've been booted out as an MP, you shouldn't be allowed to stand for election again. You've had your shot, let someone else have a pop. Otherwise, it's just a merry go round of the same old faces chasing a slot on the gravy train.
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Re Ladbroke specials on Question Time tomorrow I'd have thought 'breastfeeding' should be 1/20 not 1/4 and 'traffic' looks a good bet too at 7/4.
It's in Canterbury and the panellists are Penny Mordaunt, Mary Creagh, Nigel Farage, Russell Brand and Camilla Cavendish.0 -
Here's a link; http://sportsbeta.ladbrokes.com/Question-Time-Specials/Politics-N-1z0xtp9Z1z141ng/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=sports&utm_campaign=politics_c329&hootPostID=0b2722f5a21de6338a380ab078e07ef4Blueberry said:Re Ladbroke specials on Question Time tomorrow I'd have thought 'breastfeeding' should be 1/20 not 1/4 and 'traffic' looks a good bet too at 7/4.
It's in Canterbury and the panellists are Penny Mordaunt, Mary Creagh, Nigel Farage, Russell Brand and Camilla Cavendish.0 -
He's already Deputy Chairman, one of UKIP's eleven 'key people' (12 if you include Roger Bird, who was air-brushed out on Monday):Socrates said:I'm with you on this. Terrible choice if UKIP make it.
http://www.ukip.org/people_key
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Re Neil Hamilton
He should obviously be allowed to stand. However, I very much doubt his presence on the ballot will do UKIP any good. (In fact, I'd go further and say that he damages the whole "UKIP is different" brand.)
The voters will get their say. If they prefer to be represented by someone with Neil Hamilton's reputation, that is their concern. (For that reason, I have no issue with prisoners choosing to stand - they just shouldn't be allowed to vote.)
The state cannot be involved in choosing who may or may not be an elected representative. That way leads - inevitably and inexorably, although hopefully only in the very long-term -to Iranian systems where every candidate is vetted for suitability.0 -
If Hamilton put the tat into Tatton, who knows what he do if he stood in Scunthorpe.0
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Did no one see this?
Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·1 hr1 hour ago
Ukip Finance Cttee tells Neil Hamilton to explain expense claims, ahead of Hamilton contesting Ukip selection for Basildon South tonight.0 -
FPT
The downside is that the UK will also have to raise interest rates, both to stop domestic overheat due to the fall in oil prices (just as in USA) and because if the USA raise their interest rates significantly we will have to as well to prevent a flight of capital out of the UK chasing higher dollar interest rates and the pound plummeting, ie the return of inflation.TGOHF said:
So a cheaper pound - better for our exporters.Paul_Mid_Beds said:
Of more significance is that the fall in oil prices has the equivalent effect on the US economy of a $340bn tax cut or a $1000Tn stimulus.TGOHF said:
So what enterprises will do well out of the low oil price ? Consumers will have extra disposable income to save, pay down debt or spend on VAT able activity.AndyJS said:"Oil price plunge forces BP to cut jobs and slash costs":
http://www.standard.co.uk/business/business-news/oil-price-plunge-forces-bp-to-cut-jobs-and-slash-costs-9915193.html
As a result rapid interest rate rises may be needed soon to prevent the economy growing to fast and overheating.
Still not seeing a downside.0 -
I agree. I'd be gutted if Hamilton got selected for UKIP anywhere. Except maybe if he started again, stood as a local councillor and put a few years in building a new reputation. But I think he's missed that chance.Richard_Nabavi said:UKIP would have to be out of their minds to select Neil Hamilton. Maybe they are.
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Thanks for that. 'Racist' at 1/2 is a bet, surely?Blueberry said:
Here's a link; http://sportsbeta.ladbrokes.com/Question-Time-Specials/Politics-N-1z0xtp9Z1z141ng/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=sports&utm_campaign=politics_c329&hootPostID=0b2722f5a21de6338a380ab078e07ef4Blueberry said:Re Ladbroke specials on Question Time tomorrow I'd have thought 'breastfeeding' should be 1/20 not 1/4 and 'traffic' looks a good bet too at 7/4.
It's in Canterbury and the panellists are Penny Mordaunt, Mary Creagh, Nigel Farage, Russell Brand and Camilla Cavendish.0 -
I wonder if I can get good odds on Brand wearing an FBU t-shirt, seeing as Mordaunt is on?
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Funny how I can't recall seeing any cartoon threads on this site involving or alluding to people like Thorpe, Smith, Rennard, Oaten and Huhne when they were in the news.
I thought this site was supposed to be neutral?
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Yes it is a good likeness but just to be consistent I am not sure I go with the theme.TCPoliticalBetting said:Good likeness of Hamilton Marf, I hope the kippers on here are reasonable in their comments.
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We have here the Central Leadership of a party deciding to impose from their shortlist a PPC onto a local association. Something that other parties have done but UKIP said it was different...
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The real surprise is how quickly UKIP joined in with the rest. "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
I have some sympathies with any party trying to impose a candidate in a by-election because these are different animals. General elections are a bit different, no matter how frustrating the 'central command' might feel. They create a main list after all and candidates surely need to show some resilience.
If UKIP really are trying to impose Hamilton then they must be terribly short of candidates. They seem to have no shortage of parachutes though.
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Part of me agrees with you and part of me also thinks that if we as a society cannot accept that someone (not convicted of anything) cannot work and atone for past mistakes and rejoin public life we are not a nice society.TheWatcher said:Hamilton was the epitomy of sleaze during the Major years.
UKIP have lost the plot.
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quite appropriately Elliott Morley was MP for the towndr_spyn said:If Hamilton put the tat into Tatton, who knows what he do if he stood in Scunthorpe.
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The people of North Devon saw fit to depose Jeremy Thorpe. It also feels inappropriate to speak ill of the dead.Paul_Mid_Beds said:Funny how I can't recall seeing any cartoon threads on this site involving or alluding to people like Thorpe, Smith, Rennard, Oaten and Huhne when they were in the news.
I thought this site was supposed to be neutral?
I'm happy to make fun of Mark Oaten for hours at a time.
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It seems rather hard to arrive at an un-equivocal list though. I personally think that Gordon Brown is a criminal. I don't think this about Tony Blair.audreyanne said:Good cartoon Marf.
Whatever one's political affiliations I hope we can agree that there are certain figures so odious or toxic or, indeed, criminal that they should have no place in any party. Neil Hamilton ticks all three of those boxes and I wouldn't want him standing for the Conservatives.
The Machiavellian in me hopes UKIP select him. The moral in me says they should give him the boot.
Looks as if they're not happy chappies and chappesses in Basildon UKIP: http://order-order.com/2014/12/10/ukip-in-uproar-over-neil-hamilton-selection-stitch-up/
It's the BBC that push Hamilton and his wife.
If the BBC encapsulated themselves into a voter with their distilled opinions then common humanity would require at least a token shoeing. Quite how their output is so distinct from the wisdom of their input escapes me. If your economic input is essentially everyone how the hell do you finish up with Robert Peston airing his views,0 -
Didn't you tip UKIP for that at 12/1 some time ago?isam said:I should've gone for it in SB&ET
The constituency literally starts at the end of my road. But it is one of the biggest around I think... covers places in Essex I have never heard of
EDIT: My road is actually in the constituency! v long road
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Re the fall in oil prices:
Basically, it's good for consumers and for any businesses that use energy.
I've collated the benefit, in terms of the lower Saudi tax, for all the major economies in the world. Basically, it's negative for Canada, Russia, Saudi, etc., and good for the US and the UK (who are importers, but also have a significant amount of their production).
It's very good for major energy importers (i.e. those who have to import almost all their oil and gas), such as Spain, Italy, China and Japan.0 -
So you don't believe people should be allowed to vote for someone.TwistedFireStopper said:We have more than enough failed politicians as it is. I'm half of the mind that once you've been booted out as an MP, you shouldn't be allowed to stand for election again. You've had your shot, let someone else have a pop. Otherwise, it's just a merry go round of the same old faces chasing a slot on the gravy train.
Wow. I really can't think of anything less democratic.
Imagine this:
MP warns that lead in paints in dangerous, and makes a big fuss.
His opponent - backed by big paint makers - beats him.
MP is vindicated. Lead in paints is dangerous.
Ban him from standing?
Absurd. Your suggestion is profoundly and dangerously anti-democratic.0 -
Neutral ? The site is whatever OGH wants it to be - it's his site, not yours.Paul_Mid_Beds said:Funny how I can't recall seeing any cartoon threads on this site involving or alluding to people like Thorpe, Smith, Rennard, Oaten and Huhne when they were in the news.
I thought this site was supposed to be neutral?
As to the usual anti-LD baiting, perhaps Marf didn't draw any cartoons.0 -
It must be disastrous for Canada, oil sands have a very high break even price this must be killing pretty much all investment there.rcs1000 said:Re the fall in oil prices:
Basically, it's good for consumers and for any businesses that use energy.
I've collated the benefit, in terms of the lower Saudi tax, for all the major economies in the world. Basically, it's negative for Canada, Russia, Saudi, etc., and good for the US and the UK (who are importers, but also have a significant amount of their production).
It's very good for major energy importers (i.e. those who have to import almost all their oil and gas), such as Spain, Italy, China and Japan.
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what letter?
Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·4 mins4 minutes ago
Neil Hamilton tells c4 News Ukip letter "a dirty trick" to "disrupt hustings" in Basildon this evening0 -
Only fifteen months late Junior! Welcome aboard...!rcs1000 said:Re the fall in oil prices:
Basically, it's good for consumers and for any businesses that use energy.
I've collated the benefit, in terms of the lower Saudi tax, for all the major economies in the world. Basically, it's negative for Canada, Russia, Saudi, etc., and good for the US and the UK (who are importers, but also have a significant amount of their production).
It's very good for major energy importers (i.e. those who have to import almost all their oil and gas), such as Spain, Italy, China and Japan.0 -
Why mock the afflicted?stodge said:
Neutral ? The site is whatever OGH wants it to be - it's his site, not yours.Paul_Mid_Beds said:Funny how I can't recall seeing any cartoon threads on this site involving or alluding to people like Thorpe, Smith, Rennard, Oaten and Huhne when they were in the news.
I thought this site was supposed to be neutral?
As to the usual anti-LD baiting, perhaps Marf didn't draw any cartoons.
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Isn't that for the local party to decide?nigel4england said:
I hope Nick Palmer reads this.TwistedFireStopper said:We have more than enough failed politicians as it is. I'm half of the mind that once you've been booted out as an MP, you shouldn't be allowed to stand for election again. You've had your shot, let someone else have a pop. Otherwise, it's just a merry go round of the same old faces chasing a slot on the gravy train.
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Wow, indeed.rcs1000 said:
So you don't believe people should be allowed to vote for someone.TwistedFireStopper said:We have more than enough failed politicians as it is. I'm half of the mind that once you've been booted out as an MP, you shouldn't be allowed to stand for election again. You've had your shot, let someone else have a pop. Otherwise, it's just a merry go round of the same old faces chasing a slot on the gravy train.
Wow. I really can't think of anything less democratic.
Imagine this:
MP warns that lead in paints in dangerous, and makes a big fuss.
His opponent - backed by big paint makers - beats him.
MP is vindicated. Lead in paints is dangerous.
Ban him from standing?
Absurd. Your suggestion is profoundly and dangerously anti-democratic.
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You're right that Mike can do as he pleases, but you make it sound like he is intervening. If you want to post a cartoon lampooning whoever then it seems likely that you can do so here. Is PB perfect - no, not at all. Dreadful awful nonsense is posted every day (sometimes even without me - and clearly 'cos I'm hardly a regular). I know this, as do you, and yet we'll continue to visit.stodge said:
Neutral ? The site is whatever OGH wants it to be - it's his site, not yours.Paul_Mid_Beds said:Funny how I can't recall seeing any cartoon threads on this site involving or alluding to people like Thorpe, Smith, Rennard, Oaten and Huhne when they were in the news.
I thought this site was supposed to be neutral?
As to the usual anti-LD baiting, perhaps Marf didn't draw any cartoons.
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As I tend to repeat to what I am sure is an irritating degree, we get the politicians we deserve. If people are happy to elect someone who has been kicked out once, or twice, or however many times, that is their choice. If the public has a big enough problem with it, perhaps it can overcome out natural tribal instincts.TwistedFireStopper said:We have more than enough failed politicians as it is. I'm half of the mind that once you've been booted out as an MP, you shouldn't be allowed to stand for election again. You've had your shot, let someone else have a pop. Otherwise, it's just a merry go round of the same old faces chasing a slot on the gravy train.
And that not even considering the other arguments raised, like someone losing but later being proved to have been morally in the right, or someone who has reformed and become a better prospective MP now than they once were.
I fear the gravy train seekers will never be got rid of, alas, but I guess we should keep looking for other potential ways to keep them to a minimum.
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Neil Hamilton under investigation by Ukip for questions regarding his expenses.Good giggle from Marf which has now reached a full ho-ho-ho after Michael Crick revelations on Ch 4 news.0
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We did have one infamous Liberal MP "co-operating" with a poisonous substance. Cyril Smith.rcs1000 said:
...... Imagine this: MP warns that lead in paints in dangerous, and makes a big fuss.TwistedFireStopper said:We have more than enough failed politicians as it is. I'm half of the mind that once you've been booted out as an MP, you shouldn't be allowed to stand for election again. You've had your shot, let someone else have a pop. Otherwise, it's just a merry go round of the same old faces chasing a slot on the gravy train.
His opponent - backed by big paint makers - beats him.
MP is vindicated. Lead in paints is dangerous.
Ban him from standing?
Absurd. Your suggestion is profoundly and dangerously anti-democratic.
"In 2008, there were calls for Smith to be stripped of his knighthood after it was revealed that he had asked the asbestos company Turner & Newall to prepare a speech for him in 1981, in which he declared: "The public at large are not at risk". It was later revealed that Smith owned 1,300 shares in the company. In 2008 he said that 4,000 asbestos-related deaths a year in the UK was "relatively low"." wikipedia0 -
I'm of the opinion that everyone is allowed another chance but surely it would be a bad political move by Ukip. It doesn't say much for the rest of the applications if he gets it.
Still, celebrities often do well even if they're infamous rather than famous.
What next? Russell Brand to stand for Labour?0 -
@DPJHodges 5h ago
"ComRes ITN poll that will terrify Labour. 33% support cutting spending to 1930's levels, 26% oppose. Lab praying it was the game changer."0 -
I wondered when someone would deploy this bombshell against Labour's Burnham. Clegg won this one. It should be used everytime Labour whinge about privatising the NHS.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"0 -
The point that those looking for "neutrality" have come to the wrong place. If Luton Paul or anyone else wants to set up their own forum to promulgate their view of the world, so be it.Omnium said:
You're right that Mike can do as he pleases, but you make it sound like he is intervening. If you want to post a cartoon lampooning whoever then it seems likely that you can do so here. Is PB perfect - no, not at all. Dreadful awful nonsense is posted every day (sometimes even without me - and clearly 'cos I'm hardly a regular). I know this, as do you, and yet we'll continue to visit.
I'm not saying that's what OGH does either but the perception among those not well disposed toward the LDs that this site is unable to be critical of the Party is misplaced. That said individuals would want it to be critical to the exclusion of everything else (including being critical of UKIP, the Tories or Labour) seems odd.
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Off-topic: any ideas what rides they're going to have in Saville-land?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-30411131
Edit: and they'd better not have a maintenance man called 'Jim'.0 -
Burnham is an utter liar and typical Labour hypocrite.TCPoliticalBetting said:I wondered when someone would deploy this bombshell against Labour's Burnham. Clegg won this one. It should be used everytime Labour whinge about privatising the NHS.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"
Wonder what Big John thinks of this?0 -
Burnham could have cancelled the bidding process if he was so concerned about it going to an NHS bidder. But that would have been odd, as why invite private providers in the first place?nigel4england said:
Burnham is an utter liar and typical Labour hypocrite.TCPoliticalBetting said:I wondered when someone would deploy this bombshell against Labour's Burnham. Clegg won this one. It should be used everytime Labour whinge about privatising the NHS.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"
Wonder what Big John thinks of this?
The fact he did not cancel the process indicates that either he was happy with private bidders at the time, or he knew the election was lost, and wanted to leave something they could throw at the Conservatives after the election.0 -
If anyone was in two minds about visiting Iceland, then the news that it has the world's only Penis Museum might just sway you....
Including from 17 different species of whale. And a rogue polar bear.0 -
He won't care as long as taxpayers money carries on lining his golden pension pot.nigel4england said:
Burnham is an utter liar and typical Labour hypocrite.TCPoliticalBetting said:I wondered when someone would deploy this bombshell against Labour's Burnham. Clegg won this one. It should be used everytime Labour whinge about privatising the NHS.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"
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You get the feeling UKIP couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.
@MichaelLCrick Neil Hamilton has just stood down from Ukip selection in Basildon S & endorsed local cllr Kerri Smith, reinstated by HQ as contender today0 -
I don't know, they at least seem to act swiftly on things.TheScreamingEagles said:You get the feeling UKIP couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.
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Is there any stiff competition?MarqueeMark said:If anyone was in two minds about visiting Iceland, then the news that it has the world's only Penis Museum might just sway you....
Including from 17 different species of whale. And a rogue polar bear.0 -
Point n laugh at UKIP.....0
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@ShippersUnbound Ukip really has come of age this week as a mainstream political party. Sex scandal. Check. Briefing against difficult candidates. Check.0
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Ha, I used to have my phone in French to try and teach myself a bit of the lingo! L'accueil is about all I remember of that pretentious nonsense!TOPPING said:0 -
Very likely the latter but it has backfired splendidly.JosiasJessop said:
Burnham could have cancelled the bidding process if he was so concerned about it going to an NHS bidder. But that would have been odd, as why invite private providers in the first place?nigel4england said:
Burnham is an utter liar and typical Labour hypocrite.TCPoliticalBetting said:I wondered when someone would deploy this bombshell against Labour's Burnham. Clegg won this one. It should be used everytime Labour whinge about privatising the NHS.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"
Wonder what Big John thinks of this?
The fact he did not cancel the process indicates that either he was happy with private bidders at the time, or he knew the election was lost, and wanted to leave something they could throw at the Conservatives after the election.0 -
Dealing with difficulties far quicker than the other parties. Check.TheScreamingEagles said:@ShippersUnbound Ukip really has come of age this week as a mainstream political party. Sex scandal. Check. Briefing against difficult candidates. Check.
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Have you blocked me on the widget or summint??? I said that about 10 hours ago!Richard_Nabavi said:
Thanks for that. 'Racist' at 1/2 is a bet, surely?Blueberry said:
Here's a link; http://sportsbeta.ladbrokes.com/Question-Time-Specials/Politics-N-1z0xtp9Z1z141ng/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=sports&utm_campaign=politics_c329&hootPostID=0b2722f5a21de6338a380ab078e07ef4Blueberry said:Re Ladbroke specials on Question Time tomorrow I'd have thought 'breastfeeding' should be 1/20 not 1/4 and 'traffic' looks a good bet too at 7/4.
It's in Canterbury and the panellists are Penny Mordaunt, Mary Creagh, Nigel Farage, Russell Brand and Camilla Cavendish.
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LMAO at Hodges' outright lie. The question he's referring to doesn't ask whether they "support" or "oppose" it, it asks whether they think it will make themselves personally worse or better off (with a large % saying they have no idea).Paul_Mid_Beds said:@DPJHodges 5h ago
"ComRes ITN poll that will terrify Labour. 33% support cutting spending to 1930's levels, 26% oppose. Lab praying it was the game changer."
I'm as against austerity as it's possible to be, but it probably wouldn't make me personally (financially) worse off since I don't rely on welfare. That's not in any sense the same as supporting it.0 -
Aiiii!Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Didn't you tip UKIP for that at 12/1 some time ago?isam said:I should've gone for it in SB&ET
The constituency literally starts at the end of my road. But it is one of the biggest around I think... covers places in Essex I have never heard of
EDIT: My road is actually in the constituency! v long road0 -
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about. - Oscar WildeGeoffM said:
He won't care as long as taxpayers money carries on lining his golden pension pot.nigel4england said:
Burnham is an utter liar and typical Labour hypocrite.TCPoliticalBetting said:I wondered when someone would deploy this bombshell against Labour's Burnham. Clegg won this one. It should be used everytime Labour whinge about privatising the NHS.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"
Wonder what Big John thinks of this?
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is the Tories privatising the NHS - BJO0 -
The Bird affair has been quietly rumbling away for over a month now.nigel4england said:
Dealing with difficulties far quicker than the other parties. Check.TheScreamingEagles said:@ShippersUnbound Ukip really has come of age this week as a mainstream political party. Sex scandal. Check. Briefing against difficult candidates. Check.
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What about when Burnham did it?bigjohnowls said:
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about. - Oscar WildeGeoffM said:
He won't care as long as taxpayers money carries on lining his golden pension pot.nigel4england said:
Burnham is an utter liar and typical Labour hypocrite.TCPoliticalBetting said:I wondered when someone would deploy this bombshell against Labour's Burnham. Clegg won this one. It should be used everytime Labour whinge about privatising the NHS.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"
Wonder what Big John thinks of this?
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is the Tories privatising the NHS - BJO0 -
Hamilton would make a good MEP
@TelegraphNews: Neil Hamilton is being questioned by Ukip over expenses he allegedly claimed for staying in his wife's flat http://t.co/6U8fmhZEoG0 -
That was a good Labour one, totally different to evil, baby eating Tory privatisation.nigel4england said:
What about when Burnham did it?bigjohnowls said:
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about. - Oscar WildeGeoffM said:
He won't care as long as taxpayers money carries on lining his golden pension pot.nigel4england said:
Burnham is an utter liar and typical Labour hypocrite.TCPoliticalBetting said:I wondered when someone would deploy this bombshell against Labour's Burnham. Clegg won this one. It should be used everytime Labour whinge about privatising the NHS.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"
Wonder what Big John thinks of this?
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is the Tories privatising the NHS - BJO-1 -
So the conclusion on here is
UKIP select Hamilton = Disaster..
They haven't = Disaster
Righto
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Frankly, all rather limp...Tim_B said:
Is there any stiff competition?MarqueeMark said:If anyone was in two minds about visiting Iceland, then the news that it has the world's only Penis Museum might just sway you....
Including from 17 different species of whale. And a rogue polar bear.
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Were they cavaliers or roundheads?MarqueeMark said:
Frankly, all rather limp...Tim_B said:
Is there any stiff competition?MarqueeMark said:If anyone was in two minds about visiting Iceland, then the news that it has the world's only Penis Museum might just sway you....
Including from 17 different species of whale. And a rogue polar bear.0 -
Wonder what the response would have been if it said cutting to 1998 levels, because give or take a bit of rounding and cuts are never achieved as planned, even in Tories get in that is what they are aiming for.Paul_Mid_Beds said:@DPJHodges 5h ago
"ComRes ITN poll that will terrify Labour. 33% support cutting spending to 1930's levels, 26% oppose. Lab praying it was the game changer."0 -
I don't get this, where has Hamilton been claiming expenses FROM? He's not elected to the European Parliament is he? Or are these old claims from the 90s when he was in Westminster?0
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"Natasha Bolter - She also became active in the Tower Hamlets Labour party"
That should have had UKIP warning alarms going off.0 -
Just seen the UKIP expenses letter on Ch4 blog. Methinks if the big three parties had been as rigourous in making enquiries before paying they wouldnt be in the pickle they are now.0
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Is the Black Swan UKIP imploding?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11286494/Neil-Hamilton-questioned-by-Ukip-over-expenses-allegedly-claimed-for-wifes-flat.html
http://m.echo-news.co.uk/news/11543026.BREAKING__Ukip_s_candidate_for_Basildon_and_East_Thurrock_deselected_for__big_fish_/?ref=mr
Not the old politics at all, is it?0 -
Mike gives me complete editorial freedom, which is another way of saying the cartoons are my sole responsibility and do not represent the views of the site.Paul_Mid_Beds said:Funny how I can't recall seeing any cartoon threads on this site involving or alluding to people like Thorpe, Smith, Rennard, Oaten and Huhne when they were in the news.
I thought this site was supposed to be neutral?
The truth is, any comedian will tell you that some words are funny, others are not - some stories are funny, some are not.
I don't touch sex abuse, or torture. Though I did write a graphic novel about sex abuse, called 'Runaway' (and I haven't found a publisher who hasn't found it too 'dark').
Not funny - Sir Cyril Smith, Jeremy Thorpe, Mark Oaten.
As for Lord Rennard, well, he IS a cartoon.
Huhne - you're wrong, I did do cartoons about Huhne at the time.
Anyway, you get the idea. It's not that cartoons on this site are passing over certain figures because Mike and I have colluded, and wish to be polite about one and rude about another, according to some party lines.
I didn't mean to give you a quick tutorial on cartooning. But you must watch 'Punchlines' with Tom Hanks and Sally Fields. I didn't appreciate them as actors until I saw this movie. It's a good script and it even features some grand old comedians. It really is a good film about writing, and about comedy. 'Funny/not funny' is all you need to know. Sounds simple, but comedians I love, like Woody Allen, work at it every day.
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He didnt.nigel4england said:
What about when Burnham did it?bigjohnowls said:
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about. - Oscar WildeGeoffM said:
He won't care as long as taxpayers money carries on lining his golden pension pot.nigel4england said:
Burnham is an utter liar and typical Labour hypocrite.TCPoliticalBetting said:I wondered when someone would deploy this bombshell against Labour's Burnham. Clegg won this one. It should be used everytime Labour whinge about privatising the NHS.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"
Wonder what Big John thinks of this?
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is the Tories privatising the NHS - BJO
You might be thinking of Milburn the 2nd worst SOS in my 33 years in NHS
Lab had an NHS preferred provider policy under Burnham.
Scrapped by the coalition.
Lansley was the worst by the way with his flawed conflict of interest reforms.
By the way Ken Clarke was one of the best.
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I look forward to seeing how Labour's cuts will be the good kind, vs the ideological evil cuts we currently face. At the least I look forward to seeing the arguments as to how that is the case.TheWatcher said:
That was a good Labour one, totally different to evil, baby eating Tory privatisation.nigel4england said:
What about when Burnham did it?bigjohnowls said:
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about. - Oscar WildeGeoffM said:
He won't care as long as taxpayers money carries on lining his golden pension pot.nigel4england said:
Burnham is an utter liar and typical Labour hypocrite.TCPoliticalBetting said:I wondered when someone would deploy this bombshell against Labour's Burnham. Clegg won this one. It should be used everytime Labour whinge about privatising the NHS.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"
Wonder what Big John thinks of this?
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is the Tories privatising the NHS - BJO
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Peak Kipper?foxinsoxuk said:Is the Black Swan UKIP imploding?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11286494/Neil-Hamilton-questioned-by-Ukip-over-expenses-allegedly-claimed-for-wifes-flat.html
http://m.echo-news.co.uk/news/11543026.BREAKING__Ukip_s_candidate_for_Basildon_and_East_Thurrock_deselected_for__big_fish_/?ref=mr
Not the old politics at all, is it?
They just don't get 10% /15%/20% anymore
They'll fall back to 5%/7%/9%/11% at the GE?
They haven't got any seats/only got one/only got two/will lose them at the GE?
They're a one man band and that man is a drag on their appeal?0 -
Think you had better keep up with what has happened today before you look even more stupid.bigjohnowls said:
He didnt.nigel4england said:
What about when Burnham did it?bigjohnowls said:
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about. - Oscar WildeGeoffM said:
He won't care as long as taxpayers money carries on lining his golden pension pot.nigel4england said:
Burnham is an utter liar and typical Labour hypocrite.TCPoliticalBetting said:I wondered when someone would deploy this bombshell against Labour's Burnham. Clegg won this one. It should be used everytime Labour whinge about privatising the NHS.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"
Wonder what Big John thinks of this?
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is the Tories privatising the NHS - BJO
You might be thinking of Milburn the 2nd worst SOS in my 33 years in NHS
Lab had an NHS preferred provider policy under Burnham.
Scrapped by the coalition.
Lansley was the worst by the way with his flawed conflict of interest reforms.
By the way Ken Clarke was one of the best.0 -
Surely Mark Oaten was funny!marf_the_cartoonist said:
Mike gives me complete editorial freedom, which is another way of saying the cartoons are my sole responsibility and do not represent the views of the site.Paul_Mid_Beds said:Funny how I can't recall seeing any cartoon threads on this site involving or alluding to people like Thorpe, Smith, Rennard, Oaten and Huhne when they were in the news.
I thought this site was supposed to be neutral?
The truth is, any comedian will tell you that some words are funny, others are not - some stories are funny, some are not.
I don't touch sex abuse, or torture. Though I did write a graphic novel about sex abuse, called 'Runaway' (and I haven't found a publisher who hasn't found it too 'dark').
Not funny - Sir Cyril Smith, Jeremy Thorpe, Mark Oaten.
As for Lord Rennard, well, he IS a cartoon.
Huhne - you're wrong, I did do cartoons about Huhne at the time.
Anyway, you get the idea. It's not that cartoons on this site are passing over certain figures because Mike and I have colluded, and wish to be polite about one and rude about another, according to some party lines.
I didn't mean to give you a quick tutorial on cartooning. But you must watch 'Punchlines' with Tom Hanks and Sally Fields. I didn't appreciate them as actors until I saw this movie. It's a good script and it even features some grand old comedians. It really is a good film about writing, and about comedy. 'Funny/not funny' is all you need to know. Sounds simple, but comedians I love, like Woody Allen, work at it every day.
(Though probably NSFW!)
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Are you happy with the weeks events? Are they the works of a party fit to get its hands on the levers of power?isam said:
Peak Kipper?foxinsoxuk said:Is the Black Swan UKIP imploding?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11286494/Neil-Hamilton-questioned-by-Ukip-over-expenses-allegedly-claimed-for-wifes-flat.html
http://m.echo-news.co.uk/news/11543026.BREAKING__Ukip_s_candidate_for_Basildon_and_East_Thurrock_deselected_for__big_fish_/?ref=mr
Not the old politics at all, is it?
They just don't get 10% /15%/20% anymore
They'll fall back to 5%/7%/9%/11% at the GE?
They haven't got any seats/only got one/only got two/will lose them at the GE?
They're a one man band and that man is a drag on their appeal?
Yes. I certainly hope we have seen peak kipper and that they are being exposed.0 -
isam said:
Aiiii!Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Didn't you tip UKIP for that at 12/1 some time ago?isam said:I should've gone for it in SB&ET
The constituency literally starts at the end of my road. But it is one of the biggest around I think... covers places in Essex I have never heard of
EDIT: My road is actually in the constituency! v long road
Hamilton is a political joke, they might as well select Jeffrey Archer for a seat.
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I have kept up to date. These things are important to me.nigel4england said:
Think you had better keep up with what has happened today before you look even more stupid.bigjohnowls said:
He didnt.nigel4england said:
What about when Burnham did it?bigjohnowls said:
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about. - Oscar WildeGeoffM said:
He won't care as long as taxpayers money carries on lining his golden pension pot.nigel4england said:
Burnham is an utter liar and typical Labour hypocrite.TCPoliticalBetting said:I wondered when someone would deploy this bombshell against Labour's Burnham. Clegg won this one. It should be used everytime Labour whinge about privatising the NHS.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"
Wonder what Big John thinks of this?
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is the Tories privatising the NHS - BJO
You might be thinking of Milburn the 2nd worst SOS in my 33 years in NHS
Lab had an NHS preferred provider policy under Burnham.
Scrapped by the coalition.
Lansley was the worst by the way with his flawed conflict of interest reforms.
By the way Ken Clarke was one of the best.
When Burnham left office an NHS hospital was still involved in the bidding process, Peterboro and Stamford.
Circle were appointed in 2011.
Are you stupidly taking the facts from the wrong source?
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You don't say!foxinsoxuk said:
Are you happy with the weeks events? Are they the works of a party fit to get its hands on the levers of power?isam said:
Peak Kipper?foxinsoxuk said:Is the Black Swan UKIP imploding?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11286494/Neil-Hamilton-questioned-by-Ukip-over-expenses-allegedly-claimed-for-wifes-flat.html
http://m.echo-news.co.uk/news/11543026.BREAKING__Ukip_s_candidate_for_Basildon_and_East_Thurrock_deselected_for__big_fish_/?ref=mr
Not the old politics at all, is it?
They just don't get 10% /15%/20% anymore
They'll fall back to 5%/7%/9%/11% at the GE?
They haven't got any seats/only got one/only got two/will lose them at the GE?
They're a one man band and that man is a drag on their appeal?
Yes. I certainly hope we have seen peak kipper and that they are being exposed.
I think it is a bit embarrassing that Natasha Bolter was considered a possible candidate but its quite a small story in the grand scheme of things.
It also embarrassing the way that people like you get so excited every time you think its all gone wrong for UKIP, get over it!0 -
Well does that not sum Labour and their utter hypocrisy to a Tee. Burnham, the only man in the UK to ever have privatised an NHS hospital. Indeed i......nigel4england said:
Burnham is an utter liar and typical Labour hypocrite.TCPoliticalBetting said:I wondered when someone would deploy this bombshell against Labour's Burnham. Clegg won this one. It should be used everytime Labour whinge about privatising the NHS.
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"
Wonder what Big John thinks of this?
I agree this should be thrown at them relentlessly and if I were Clegg I would be demanding Burnham returns to the commons and corrects his misleading of the commons during his point of order.0
