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Whatever one's political affiliations I hope we can agree that there are certain figures so odious or toxic or, indeed, criminal that they should have no place in any party. Neil Hamilton ticks all three of those boxes and I wouldn't want him standing for the Conservatives.
The Machiavellian in me hopes UKIP select him. The moral in me says they should give him the boot.
Looks as if they're not happy chappies and chappesses in Basildon UKIP: http://order-order.com/2014/12/10/ukip-in-uproar-over-neil-hamilton-selection-stitch-up/
UKIP have lost the plot.
Whilst I hold to the view that UKIP handled the Bird suspension as well as anyone can do, there are a number of issues that arise from the underlying causes of the whole debacle.
First, UKIP clearly have not improved their vetting processes, when a fake degree can creep through. No lessons learned from the Ashley Mote benefits fraud etc.
We have here the Central Leadership of a party deciding to impose from their shortlist a PPC onto a local association. Something that other parties have done but UKIP said it was different...
The Central Leadership also bowed down to pressure from the PC brigade for a candidate that ticked other boxes. Female and Ethnic. Something that Lab and Cons (not LDs) have done but UKIP said it was different...
The real surprise is how quickly UKIP joined in with the rest. "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
The constituency literally starts at the end of my road. But it is one of the biggest around I think... covers places in Essex I have never heard of
EDIT: My road is actually in the constituency! v long road
Is this their brave new politics? Neil Hamilton? Is this a joke?
God give me strength (= outrage on behalf of Kippers everywhere). Is this how you see the future of your party?
oh yes and...hahahahahaha
What though at lower shares? I think at 10% or above they really have to focus on banging the drum for their referendum. They are likely to get it eventually.
UKIP sub 10%? Unless the LDs poll worse and get more seats (a distinct possibility) then that's that for UKIP.
None of that foreign muck on the night pls Sam.
I doubt anyone reading this knows what you are talking about. Why not provide some more information and preferably a link in order to fill us in.
Are you suggesting the poll isn't statistically accurate? On what basis? YouGov has an extremely high reputation - it seems unlikely to me that they would have made an elementary mistake.
It's in Canterbury and the panellists are Penny Mordaunt, Mary Creagh, Nigel Farage, Russell Brand and Camilla Cavendish.
http://www.ukip.org/people_key
He should obviously be allowed to stand. However, I very much doubt his presence on the ballot will do UKIP any good. (In fact, I'd go further and say that he damages the whole "UKIP is different" brand.)
The voters will get their say. If they prefer to be represented by someone with Neil Hamilton's reputation, that is their concern. (For that reason, I have no issue with prisoners choosing to stand - they just shouldn't be allowed to vote.)
The state cannot be involved in choosing who may or may not be an elected representative. That way leads - inevitably and inexorably, although hopefully only in the very long-term -to Iranian systems where every candidate is vetted for suitability.
Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·1 hr1 hour ago
Ukip Finance Cttee tells Neil Hamilton to explain expense claims, ahead of Hamilton contesting Ukip selection for Basildon South tonight.
Mind you, I'd rather Brand kept his nose out.
I thought this site was supposed to be neutral?
I have some sympathies with any party trying to impose a candidate in a by-election because these are different animals. General elections are a bit different, no matter how frustrating the 'central command' might feel. They create a main list after all and candidates surely need to show some resilience.
If UKIP really are trying to impose Hamilton then they must be terribly short of candidates. They seem to have no shortage of parachutes though.
I'm happy to make fun of Mark Oaten for hours at a time.
That being said: for a small political party, the LibDems seem to have their fair share of scandals.
It's the BBC that push Hamilton and his wife.
If the BBC encapsulated themselves into a voter with their distilled opinions then common humanity would require at least a token shoeing. Quite how their output is so distinct from the wisdom of their input escapes me. If your economic input is essentially everyone how the hell do you finish up with Robert Peston airing his views,
Basically, it's good for consumers and for any businesses that use energy.
I've collated the benefit, in terms of the lower Saudi tax, for all the major economies in the world. Basically, it's negative for Canada, Russia, Saudi, etc., and good for the US and the UK (who are importers, but also have a significant amount of their production).
It's very good for major energy importers (i.e. those who have to import almost all their oil and gas), such as Spain, Italy, China and Japan.
Wow. I really can't think of anything less democratic.
Imagine this:
MP warns that lead in paints in dangerous, and makes a big fuss.
His opponent - backed by big paint makers - beats him.
MP is vindicated. Lead in paints is dangerous.
Ban him from standing?
Absurd. Your suggestion is profoundly and dangerously anti-democratic.
As to the usual anti-LD baiting, perhaps Marf didn't draw any cartoons.
Michael Crick@MichaelLCrick·4 mins4 minutes ago
Neil Hamilton tells c4 News Ukip letter "a dirty trick" to "disrupt hustings" in Basildon this evening
And that not even considering the other arguments raised, like someone losing but later being proved to have been morally in the right, or someone who has reformed and become a better prospective MP now than they once were.
I fear the gravy train seekers will never be got rid of, alas, but I guess we should keep looking for other potential ways to keep them to a minimum.
"In 2008, there were calls for Smith to be stripped of his knighthood after it was revealed that he had asked the asbestos company Turner & Newall to prepare a speech for him in 1981, in which he declared: "The public at large are not at risk". It was later revealed that Smith owned 1,300 shares in the company. In 2008 he said that 4,000 asbestos-related deaths a year in the UK was "relatively low"." wikipedia
Still, celebrities often do well even if they're infamous rather than famous.
What next? Russell Brand to stand for Labour?
"ComRes ITN poll that will terrify Labour. 33% support cutting spending to 1930's levels, 26% oppose. Lab praying it was the game changer."
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/45865/burnham_hits_out_at_clegg_over_nhs_privatisation_claim.html
"The NAO report of the bidding process published on 8 November 2012 clearly states that in December 2009 there were only 3 bidders left in the process - Circle Health, Ramsay Health Care UK and Serco Health.
"It says on page 20 that 'the two NHS trusts involved both withdrew at early stages of the process.'"
I'm not saying that's what OGH does either but the perception among those not well disposed toward the LDs that this site is unable to be critical of the Party is misplaced. That said individuals would want it to be critical to the exclusion of everything else (including being critical of UKIP, the Tories or Labour) seems odd.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-30411131
Edit: and they'd better not have a maintenance man called 'Jim'.
Wonder what Big John thinks of this?
The fact he did not cancel the process indicates that either he was happy with private bidders at the time, or he knew the election was lost, and wanted to leave something they could throw at the Conservatives after the election.
Including from 17 different species of whale. And a rogue polar bear.
@MichaelLCrick Neil Hamilton has just stood down from Ukip selection in Basildon S & endorsed local cllr Kerri Smith, reinstated by HQ as contender today
(Obv if you have tou wont see this!)
I'm as against austerity as it's possible to be, but it probably wouldn't make me personally (financially) worse off since I don't rely on welfare. That's not in any sense the same as supporting it.
There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is the Tories privatising the NHS - BJO
@TelegraphNews: Neil Hamilton is being questioned by Ukip over expenses he allegedly claimed for staying in his wife's flat http://t.co/6U8fmhZEoG
UKIP select Hamilton = Disaster..
They haven't = Disaster
Righto
Just be grateful I was around to tip them up at 20/1 and keep schtum I reckon
That should have had UKIP warning alarms going off.
something about a whelk stall..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11286494/Neil-Hamilton-questioned-by-Ukip-over-expenses-allegedly-claimed-for-wifes-flat.html
http://m.echo-news.co.uk/news/11543026.BREAKING__Ukip_s_candidate_for_Basildon_and_East_Thurrock_deselected_for__big_fish_/?ref=mr
Not the old politics at all, is it?
The truth is, any comedian will tell you that some words are funny, others are not - some stories are funny, some are not.
I don't touch sex abuse, or torture. Though I did write a graphic novel about sex abuse, called 'Runaway' (and I haven't found a publisher who hasn't found it too 'dark').
Not funny - Sir Cyril Smith, Jeremy Thorpe, Mark Oaten.
As for Lord Rennard, well, he IS a cartoon.
Huhne - you're wrong, I did do cartoons about Huhne at the time.
Anyway, you get the idea. It's not that cartoons on this site are passing over certain figures because Mike and I have colluded, and wish to be polite about one and rude about another, according to some party lines.
I didn't mean to give you a quick tutorial on cartooning. But you must watch 'Punchlines' with Tom Hanks and Sally Fields. I didn't appreciate them as actors until I saw this movie. It's a good script and it even features some grand old comedians. It really is a good film about writing, and about comedy. 'Funny/not funny' is all you need to know. Sounds simple, but comedians I love, like Woody Allen, work at it every day.
You might be thinking of Milburn the 2nd worst SOS in my 33 years in NHS
Lab had an NHS preferred provider policy under Burnham.
Scrapped by the coalition.
Lansley was the worst by the way with his flawed conflict of interest reforms.
By the way Ken Clarke was one of the best.
They just don't get 10% /15%/20% anymore
They'll fall back to 5%/7%/9%/11% at the GE?
They haven't got any seats/only got one/only got two/will lose them at the GE?
They're a one man band and that man is a drag on their appeal?
(Though probably NSFW!)
Yes. I certainly hope we have seen peak kipper and that they are being exposed.
Hamilton is a political joke, they might as well select Jeffrey Archer for a seat.
When Burnham left office an NHS hospital was still involved in the bidding process, Peterboro and Stamford.
Circle were appointed in 2011.
Are you stupidly taking the facts from the wrong source?
I think it is a bit embarrassing that Natasha Bolter was considered a possible candidate but its quite a small story in the grand scheme of things.
It also embarrassing the way that people like you get so excited every time you think its all gone wrong for UKIP, get over it!
I agree this should be thrown at them relentlessly and if I were Clegg I would be demanding Burnham returns to the commons and corrects his misleading of the commons during his point of order.