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  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786
    edited July 2024
    I don't think that Starmer is going to outsource his Cabinet choices to Iain Dale, or to any other Tory for that matter. Still, speculation is fun I guess.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    MattW said:

    I think some time ago (April?) I suggested HoL would be Quick, Quick, Slow, Slow, which works aspirationally and to BFONT the rump Tories

    - First months

    Hereditaries OUT (I'd say totally gone by Christmas).
    Retirement age (maybe)
    50 Labour working piers IN.
    A few others IN, but no Tories since they have been relatively stuffing them in for years like a Labrador and sausages, and there are ~100 Tory MPs.
    Minimal Honours for Rishi 'because reform is being conisered'.

    then reconsider the thing over 12-18 months during 1st term:

    Retirement age (maybe as part of transition)
    Longer term reform.
    The thing is that the House of Lords works, and I don't see how an elected second chamber helps.

    Retirement age and the ability to remove voting rights so that the House of Lords represents roughly the make up of the commons (i.e. the governing party have a majority in the house) would be as far as I would want to go..

    An elected second chamber would open a whole set of issues and probably not actual solve any...
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,830
    Phil said:

    A ton of election material landed on the doormat this morning! LibDems, Labour, Conservatives, Reform, Greens, even the SDP!

    The SDP seem to have been more prominent in this election than any since 1992. They're not only standing in my constituency (Wythenshawe and Sale East) but have been actively campaigning.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255

    Where on Earth do you get the idea that I love the EU? And that's your problem: anyone who isn't totally against the EU is, in your eyes, someone who loves the EU. There can be no middle ground.

    Britain could have been a success in the EU. It could have been a failure in the EU. It could have been a success outside the EU, or a failure outside the EU.

    Those were all options; sadly, we've headed towards the latter option. That's largely down to Brexit, the Brexiteers and the Europhobes. Being outside the EU meant more than what was good for the country.
    What a stupid comment. So according to you Britain could have been a success outside the EU but we aren't because of Brexit - your words not mine. So how do we be a success outside the EU without having left the EU?

    And yet, your continual use of the term Europhobe makes very clear your view of the EU. I mean I understand your desperate need to moan about everything but at some point you are going to have to accept - just like the rest of us - that you can't always get your own way all the time. Stop sulking and grow up.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    edited July 2024

    If Biden is determined to stay in the race, my expectation is that all hell will break loose. If the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention was marked by rioting (mainly by the cops) outside the hall, the 2024 Chicago Democratic Convention will be marked by riots inside the hall.

    https://prospect.org/politics/2024-06-28-democrats-must-dump-biden-heres-how-debate/

    With 3142 (I think!) delegates hand picked by Biden's team ???

    Doubtful.

    Everyone else has about 7
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786

    Just over 81 hours to go.
    We could do with an exit poll countdown clock at the top of each PB page, with hours/minutes/seconds to 10pm Thursday.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,822

    I had oysters fresh out of the sea in Western Sahara. Had the raging shits after, but very very nice
    That’s impressive. Maybe the most impressive oystering I’ve heard

    I never entirely trust oysters in hot countries, and yet some of them are brilliant. Namibia. Louisiana. I’ve had superb oysters in Sri Lanka!

    Mauritius, mmmno
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,607

    Surely a very short tenure as Lab will be abolishing the HoL toot sweet.
    How many generations equal a toot sweet?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Cicero said:
    I'm loving this campaign.

    I don't think it's really helped, but I also don't think it's hurted.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    edited July 2024
    algarkirk said:

    The last edition of the Economist before the election backs Labour. It also indicates the fragility of prediction. In a single short article it predicts both of these: Tories 76, and Tories 117. At the same time it refers to its recent prediction (last week!) of Tories 185.

    We are three sleeps off polling day and no-one knows anything much. This is remarkable

    I think John Curtice will have a tough gig on Thursday, though at the end of it we will still admire his wisdom and clarity. Expect lots of caveats at 10 pm.

    The problem everyone has is that 19-25% is the knife edge point for Tory seats. 25% and the Tories are likely to have 150-180 seats. 24% and it's going to be below 150, 20% or below and it's 60 or less...

    and until we get the exit poll no-one will have a clue and even the exit poll may not help as that reflects how people vote based on previous elections and if the Tory voters don't turn up because there is no chance in the constituencies of those polling stations you could still have "shy" Tory voters elsewhere...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161
    eek said:

    The thing is that the House of Lords works, and I don't see how an elected second chamber helps.

    Retirement age and the ability to remove voting rights so that the House of Lords represents roughly the make up of the commons (i.e. the governing party have a majority in the house) would be as far as I would want to go..

    An elected second chamber would open a whole set of issues and probably not actual solve any...
    The House of Lords doesn't work. In recent years in particular, but arguably for some time, the Commons has produced a large quantity of very poor law, and the Lords had done little to improve the law created, or to slow the passage of the most egregious pieces of bad law.

    One of the problems we have is that the party system is too strong, and so the Executive of a party with a majority in the Commons is too strong, because MPs are unable or unwilling to assert themselves.

    Reform of the Lords could help to provide a corrective to this. An elected second chamber, if elected by a proportional system that made a single-party majority less likely, might be a step forward.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Scott_xP said:

    @georgeeaton

    Keir Starmer’s campaign route today – Hertfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire – is a good indication that Labour believes the polls.

    Doesn't really mean much beyond that, as parties are wrong all the time, but it does project confidence.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,739
    kle4 said:

    I'm loving this campaign.

    I don't think it's really helped, but I also don't think it's hurted.
    It's helped the Lib Dems get into the news in a way they may not otherwise have done.

    Whether the Lib Dems would have got the same amount of news coverage without the stunts is the great unknown (but I seriously doubt it, Nigel is news, the Lib Dems aren't really)..
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,537
    edited July 2024

    Gosh! Poor you.

    I'm far from being the most adventurous of eaters, but when I think of the variety encompassed by just mackerel, cod, salmon, trout and monkfish, and the different ways to prepare and cook them. What a loss.
    Yes very frustrating and I am very adventurous regarding food. I will eat most things. I keep trying fishy stuff and keep going nah. It is very disappointing particularly if I am at a seafood place.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,719
    HYUFD said:

    @IainDale
    Rumours persist that David Lammy won't be Foreign Secretary. Douglas Alexander is the name being mentioned most, with David Miliband also a possibility. There is a third option that I haven't seen anyone put forward.

    Peter Mandelson.
    https://x.com/IainDale/status/1807722033247064118

    So, he’s explicitly saying no-one has put forward this option!
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,607
    Cookie said:

    The SDP seem to have been more prominent in this election than any since 1992. They're not only standing in my constituency (Wythenshawe and Sale East) but have been actively campaigning.
    The SDP leaflet appears to be pure Gender Crit / TERF from top to bottom. Which is a little weird.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    algarkirk said:

    The question is the provision of a National Church.

    If there was no NHS, the richest areas and people would do fine with a mixture of payment and insurance. The poorer people and areas would suffer. Harley Street would flourish.

    In parvo, the CoE is just the same. If left alone, the prosperous will do fine. The neglected, poor, deprived will wither.

    The question is what we want. Whether the CoE is Waitrose - it's there for the prosperous - or the NHS (in theory) - it's a national service for all.

    But at the moment we expect 11 old ladies and a dog to fund a national service, and raise a million to mend the roof. That can't survive, and the old ladies are getting older.
    On this you either watch from the side, or dive in Penny Mordaunt style and lose a couple of hours.

    Really interesting, but I'm sitting this out.

  • algarkirk said:

    The last edition of the Economist before the election backs Labour. It also indicates the fragility of prediction. In a single short article it predicts both of these: Tories 76, and Tories 117. At the same time it refers to its recent prediction (last week!) of Tories 185.

    We are three sleeps off polling day and no-one knows anything much. This is remarkable

    I think John Curtice will have a tough gig on Thursday, though at the end of it we will still admire his wisdom and clarity. Expect lots of caveats at 10 pm.

    Friday off work and (literal) popcorn at the ready. Wine order to be delivered today :smile:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,087

    The House of Lords doesn't work. In recent years in particular, but arguably for some time, the Commons has produced a large quantity of very poor law, and the Lords had done little to improve the law created, or to slow the passage of the most egregious pieces of bad law.

    One of the problems we have is that the party system is too strong, and so the Executive of a party with a majority in the Commons is too strong, because MPs are unable or unwilling to assert themselves.

    Reform of the Lords could help to provide a corrective to this. An elected second chamber, if elected by a proportional system that made a single-party majority less likely, might be a step forward.
    And with such a mandate the upper house would seek to block, not merely revise, Commons legislation
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786
    eek said:

    It's helped the Lib Dems get into the news in a way they may not otherwise have done.

    Whether the Lib Dems would have got the same amount of news coverage without the stunts is the great unknown (but I seriously doubt it, Nigel is news, the Lib Dems aren't really)..
    Ed Davey's stunt-laden campaign is fine for a party chasing around 50 seats.

    Interestingly, I think if Starmer had done exactly the same stunts it would have backfired big time and Labour would be in trouble - the media etc. would be all over the 'not very prime ministerial' agenda.
    (And yes, I know it worked for Boris, but he's one of a kind).
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188

    Friday off work and (literal) popcorn at the ready. Wine order to be delivered today :smile:
    Have Friday mostly off myself, but for an invite to lunch with colleagues in Town. Thursday night in a hotel with room service, and strong wifi, beckons!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,518
    More in Common’s final Welsh poll has

    Lab 42% (+1 on 2019)
    Con 22% (-14)
    Reform 14%
    Plaid 9% (-1)
    Lib Dem (-2)

    The Conservatives might hold 3 or 4 seats on those numbers.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,670
    edited July 2024

    The House of Lords doesn't work. In recent years in particular, but arguably for some time, the Commons has produced a large quantity of very poor law, and the Lords had done little to improve the law created, or to slow the passage of the most egregious pieces of bad law.

    One of the problems we have is that the party system is too strong, and so the Executive of a party with a majority in the Commons is too strong, because MPs are unable or unwilling to assert themselves.

    Reform of the Lords could help to provide a corrective to this. An elected second chamber, if elected by a proportional system that made a single-party majority less likely, might be a step forward.
    I see the key benefits of the Lords as being:

    1 - It is NOT the same as the Commons, and
    2 - it can provide a longer term stabiliser mechanism,
    3 - It gives a wider range of expertise, and more less-connected-to-party-politics knowledge / wisdom.

    Reform will depend on Sir Keir correctly shafting the bias-to-Conservatives, but being wise enough not to go too far, and perhaps leaving a cautious tendency in place.
  • ukelectukelect Posts: 140
    I've just updated the UK-Elect links page, which contains lots of links to election related websites. Some of the linked sites may be new to some people: https://www.ukelect.co.uk/HTML/links.html
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,087
    edited July 2024
    Sean_F said:

    More in Common’s final Welsh poll has

    Lab 42% (+1 on 2019)
    Con 22% (-14)
    Reform 14%
    Plaid 9% (-1)
    Lib Dem (-2)

    The Conservatives might hold 3 or 4 seats on those numbers.

    Indeed, in 1997 the Tories only got 19.6% in Wales and Labour got 55%. In Wales Reform clearly taking Labour votes as much as Tory ones
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,674

    NEW THREAD

  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,507
    Sean_F said:

    More in Common’s final Welsh poll has

    Lab 42% (+1 on 2019)
    Con 22% (-14)
    Reform 14%
    Plaid 9% (-1)
    Lib Dem (-2)

    The Conservatives might hold 3 or 4 seats on those numbers.

    ...and the lib dem percentage is?...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,719

    Just over 81 hours to go.
    I got 81 hours to flow
    I got 81 hours to go
    'Cause if you like me lemme know
    Let me in da studio
    I got 81 hours before I got to go
    Did you see me on the video 'oh no'
    Did you see me on the video 'oh no'
    So if you like me lemme know
    Let me in da studio
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,518

    ...and the lib dem percentage is?...
    4%
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,087

    Ed Davey's stunt-laden campaign is fine for a party chasing around 50 seats.

    Interestingly, I think if Starmer had done exactly the same stunts it would have backfired big time and Labour would be in trouble - the media etc. would be all over the 'not very prime ministerial' agenda.
    (And yes, I know it worked for Boris, but he's one of a kind).
    Davey is following the Thorpe 1974 strategy when he leapt off hovercraft etc
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,677
    MattW said:

    Interesting Lib Dem Voice piece from last week about placards being stolen.

    One of the comments:

    I’ve had 6 signs removed, so far from my front garden, the last two actually screwed to the stakes were ripped off, which must have taken quite some effort, the stakes remain being rather large to carry away!

    The most important one facing the main road remains, it’s out of arm’s reach.

    Across our constituency Romsey and Southampton North we have had 50-100 removed, often the same sites repeatedly, at quite a cost! I guess they are touching a raw nerve with our opponents.


    https://www.libdemvoice.org/stolen-signs-75431.html

    Yes, same here, with Labour signs (LibDem and Green signs in the same road untouched). We replace them with a shrug, but it's irritating.
  • Many people think the polls / MRPs will underestimate the ‘Shy Tories’.

    But if it’s such a widely held belief… then you would think that the pollsters would factor that in themselves (which they often do!)

    If anything I think it’s more likely that pollsters would overestimate Shy Tories, given for how many previous recent elections they’ve been a thing - than underestimate them?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,692

    Friday off work and (literal) popcorn at the ready. Wine order to be delivered today :smile:
    Full bodied red? Hopefully like the next government!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,364

    Just over 81 hours to go.
    Rick Wakeman's King Arthur lasts seven and a half minutes. So it's about 650 plays of that until the exit poll. (I do not recommend this as a strategy).

    As for not knowing much... We know enough to expect that the Conservatives will have their worst election result that anyone (with the possible exception of @JackW) can remember. Nobody really knows how the models work for those numbers of votes... but in many ways, it's not that important.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,396

    What a stupid comment. So according to you Britain could have been a success outside the EU but we aren't because of Brexit - your words not mine. So how do we be a success outside the EU without having left the EU?

    And yet, your continual use of the term Europhobe makes very clear your view of the EU. I mean I understand your desperate need to moan about everything but at some point you are going to have to accept - just like the rest of us - that you can't always get your own way all the time. Stop sulking and grow up.
    I think you need to read what I said again. To explain further:

    Yes, Britain could have been a success out of the EU. But the *form* of Brexit that the referendum gave us - or the form the Brexiteers insisted on - has made it rather a failure so far (*). Likewise, IMV we could have been a success in the EU, or a failure.

    Because much more depends on what *we* as a country decide to do than any external dependencies or criticalities. Membership or not of the EU was not, and is not, anywhere near the main factor in the country's success or not. It's either makes success harder or easier, depending on your viewpoint.

    We chose a Brexit that has been harmful to the country so far. And that's down to the Brexiteers.

    As for your last paragraph: as far as I'm aware I've never called for a second referendum, or never called for brexit to be reversed, or anything like that. I don't particularly have a 'my own way' when it comes to Brexit: but I am free to criticise what's happened.

    (*) I am perfectly willing to admit that it may be a success in the longer term - but I currently see little sign of that.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884
    Leon said:

    Yes. Why do you keep making this irrelevant and childish point? We all know the above which is why it is really important Trump loses. But if the Dems persist with Biden, then Trump almost certainly wins
    I am pointing out that if Biden is 7 out of 10 unfit to be president then Trump is 10 out of 10 unfit. Yes the important thing is to select a Democrat to avoid the worse candidate being elected. But the reason for doing so is because Trump is worse, not because Biden also has issues.

    Who is being childish in their points?
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    HYUFD said:

    The rustbelt swing states won't be won on abortion rights, pro choice voters for whom that is a top issue will be voting Dem regardless.

    They will be won by bluecollar voters concerned about manufacturing jobs who voted for Trump in 2016 but Biden in 2020 and suburban independents
    Women live in the rust belt too - in fact they live everywhere...
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 798
    There are two excellent (longish) write ups on the debate and post-debate, here and here:
    https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2024/Pres/Maps/Jun29.html#item-1
    https://electoral-vote.com/

    I suggest anyone doommongering or chicken littling about Biden, or offering their 0.01 cents-worth on possible successors, should read both before they give their thoughts.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,677
    kjh said:



    My delivery effort so far. Each one of those sheets represents a delivery walk.

    Mmm. Do you think it's worthwhile? I know homes who've had 4 LD leaflets delivered together on the same day (and lots of homes to have 2-3). They are not reading them.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,396

    And that's your problem: anyone who isn't totally pro the EU is, in your eyes, someone who hates es the EU. The irrefutable evidence for this is your use of the word "europhobe" in three successive posts.
    No, that's not what I'm saying. If anything, I'd throw that back at the Breixteers, who often called Cameron a Europhile. He wasn't: he was Eurosceptc; as was I.

    If you create only two camps in your mind: those who against the EU and those who are for it, then there is no room for the middle ground. And in this case, it's the eurosceptics.

    If I'm not to use 'Europhobes' for those who campaigned for Brexit, what term should I use?
  • TresTres Posts: 2,819
    Phil said:

    The SDP leaflet appears to be pure Gender Crit / TERF from top to bottom. Which is a little weird.
    yeah I expect they've been receiving some of that culture war funding that we are never allowed to mention
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255

    I think you need to read what I said again. To explain further:

    Yes, Britain could have been a success out of the EU. But the *form* of Brexit that the referendum gave us - or the form the Brexiteers insisted on - has made it rather a failure so far (*). Likewise, IMV we could have been a success in the EU, or a failure.

    Because much more depends on what *we* as a country decide to do than any external dependencies or criticalities. Membership or not of the EU was not, and is not, anywhere near the main factor in the country's success or not. It's either makes success harder or easier, depending on your viewpoint.

    We chose a Brexit that has been harmful to the country so far. And that's down to the Brexiteers.

    As for your last paragraph: as far as I'm aware I've never called for a second referendum, or never called for brexit to be reversed, or anything like that. I don't particularly have a 'my own way' when it comes to Brexit: but I am free to criticise what's happened.

    (*) I am perfectly willing to admit that it may be a success in the longer term - but I currently see little sign of that.
    Cameron ran away and the form of Brexit was chosen by a Remainer who never even tried to understand what actually drove the Leave campaign. Your desperate attemps to paint Leavers as Europhobes simply shows you don't understand it either.

    And even after all of that we are still in a better place than we would have been had we stayed in.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,819

    Mmm. Do you think it's worthwhile? I know homes who've had 4 LD leaflets delivered together on the same day (and lots of homes to have 2-3). They are not reading them.
    Nick, hardly anyone reads leaflets, that's why you need a lot of them. You know this.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,396

    Cameron ran away and the form of Brexit was chosen by a Remainer who never even tried to understand what actually drove the Leave campaign. Your desperate attemps to paint Leavers as Europhobes simply shows you don't understand it either.

    And even after all of that we are still in a better place than we would have been had we stayed in.
    I really, really doubt your last line. As for a 'remainer' choosing Brexit: I wasn't aware that Johnson - who after all got Brexit done - was a remainer.

    I also don't paint all leave *voters* as Europhobes. There would have been many eurosceptics who fell on that side of the fence. But the people who drove the leave campaign are certainly europhobes.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,396
    Tres said:

    Nick, hardly anyone reads leaflets, that's why you need a lot of them. You know this.
    We put any leaflets we get before an election onto a sideboard, and then generally go through them again a few days before the vote. The comparison between them can be quite funny.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045

    Yes, same here, with Labour signs (LibDem and Green signs in the same road untouched). We replace them with a shrug, but it's irritating.
    Same here - had to replace a LibDem diamond in my village last week (and took advantage of the situation to make it much more visible) and there's one in Wantage that's been vandalised four times (the house-owner was setting up a camera last I heard to catch the bugger).
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,537
    edited July 2024

    Mmm. Do you think it's worthwhile? I know homes who've had 4 LD leaflets delivered together on the same day (and lots of homes to have 2-3). They are not reading them.
    See my reply to you yesterday on the 4 a day delivery @NickPalmer where I explained what happened to cause that and it is sadly unavoidable that it will happen very occasionally. It is not deliberate.

    Yes most people don't read them. Many last the 10 seconds from the mat to the bin, but it is the impact it has. If asked most people think they have had less than they have actually had and it tells them who the challenger is here (wherever here is) and they are serious.

    Re that pile of cover sheets - I assume you don't think they went to the same roads do you? Even LDs don't deliver that much. That is for all over Guildford.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,537
    Leon said:

    How can you “not like fish”

    That’s like saying “I’m not in favour of sex” or “I can’t abide a mountain” or “I prefer not to move my arms in the afternoon”
    I'm sorry @leon I wish I did. I really want to. As you know from discussions before I am a foodie so it is very frustrating. The really annoying thing is I like rubbish fish. So I will eat battered cod, fish fingers, tinned salmon and tinned tuna, but I can do without it. I also like crab, lobster, scallops, langoustines, smoked salmon, etc, but really I can live without them as well. They will never be my first choice.

    And good quality fresh fish has an underlying taste that I find unpleasant. People have suggested to me trying things like shark which is more meaty. It is, but with that underlying taste still.

    I'll enjoy eating just about any other animal (and any part of that animal) or vegetable and it is with huge regret that I just can't get on with fish. I mean it looks lovely.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,079
    Tres said:

    Nick, hardly anyone reads leaflets, that's why you need a lot of them. You know this.
    They note who it is from in the 15 seconds between the front door and the recycling bin. That's enough.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,838

    This* is a dangerous myth for Conservatives to believe.

    When Johnson announced his resignation in July 2022 the Tories had made huge losses and were on course to win only 211 seats in a general election, which would have been the fifth heaviest defeat in their 190 year history.

    https://x.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1807710509782782326




    *On the day Boris was removed from office we were between 2-4 p behind in the polls.

    The most effective part of the campaign so far has been Boris columns in the @DailyMailUK and the letters he’s written and videos he’s made for candidates.

    This mess is 100pc owned by Sunak and those of you who advocated for BJ to be removed and replaced with Sunak.


    https://x.com/NadineDorries/status/1807503946728063342

    Dangerous how? In case they select a non-centrist and it leads to electoral unpopularity??
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,838
    As for Fraser Nelson, who seems determined to make an utter prick of himself during this GE, why exactly should Boris come back and pound the pavements on behalf of the man who knifed him, and then shat all over his NI bill and publicly bitched about 'the psychodramas' of previous leaders? The chutzpa of Nelson to blame Borises relative absence from this campaign for the crushing defeat soon to be experienced by the Sunakites is really remarkable.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,120
    Leon said:

    Except that YET AGAIN I was saying all this about a year before everyone else on PB - Biden is senile and getting worse. With honourable exceptions - like @kle4 and @Luckyguy1983 - everyone else on PB was saying Nah shut up, you’re a trumpite, he’s just got a stutter

    One day soon I will dig up these excruciatingly embarrassing remarks
    If I were you, I wouldn’t be encouraging PB’ers to go looking for excruciatingly embarrassing past remarks.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 943

    Same here - had to replace a LibDem diamond in my village last week (and took advantage of the situation to make it much more visible) and there's one in Wantage that's been vandalised four times (the house-owner was setting up a camera last I heard to catch the bugger).
    Has anyone thought to keep them within the boundary of the property displaying them?
    All the lib dem diamonds I've seen stick out into public space, though not as bad as Reform fly-posting on street signs.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    Dopermean said:

    Has anyone thought to keep them within the boundary of the property displaying them?
    All the lib dem diamonds I've seen stick out into public space, though not as bad as Reform fly-posting on street signs.
    The ones I put up always stay within their boundary. Possibly because I’m a bit obsessive about following the law.
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